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Why would outburst increase the priority of TB vs SS when it's a 200% increase to both? The relative damage between the two stays the same, outburst or no outburst.
Because TB does more damage in multi-target than SS, and you have one outburst.
Oh yea, normally SS would be prio for rage gen. Makes sense
SS is normally prio for both rage gen and damage. It does more damage than TC until pretty notable target counts
And the rage gen allows more cycling. TB turns both of those on their heads, as it is not as far behind in gen and does stonks damage
Yea I was only looking at it from a strictly damage perspective, completely forgot about the rage gains
what is the better offspec when tanking in mythic plus but raiding in dps?
Arms probably
Arms is crit haste and only needs 1 weapon
Fury is a lot more fun tho
I forgot enchants and didnt craft weapons and now my logs suck ass
Day ruined
With the change to meat hook, has anyone been able to sim the changes yet and determine what would be our next best options? Or would you just move down the list to the next thing on the common bis lists? was interested in simming it vs something like the 610 pvp trinket
Check bloodmallet, detract numbers from meat hook according to nerf
Is arms alot weaker in raid?
this is the prot channel
Its better in single target and worse for padding
Ilvl over stats on gear? or haste over everything?
speed
Ilvl gives strength, and all stats are at least good, so it's objectively best to ilvl over all on all things except trinkets and jewelry at all times,
And jewelry often is better ilvl over all
Trinkets are generally a sim question due to their unique nature
just for the fuck of it
how much % dmg does someone's brann do?
if you view his abilities you can see the ammunition thingy. hover it and lmk
it's 67% at level 30, rank 21/50
i'd like to compare and see how much he's grown
interesting, so i'm missing about 11%
the main reason i'm curious is because i wanna see how much easier delves and zekvir would get off brann alone.
i'm hunting for them transmogs and titles
what should i use sparks on
you should use them in reading the pins
so you couldve just said dont use it yet
no, i could not
weird
says the guy in a class discord not checking the pins
corny
get corned
sorry i'm mentally stunted
cornball
guilty as charged
hey guys i need to know
what're your thoughts on them earthen gals?
Surely Skarmarok shard is just a better version of Mark of Khadros? wowhead gear guide doesnt mention it
mark sims higher
i think it's unreasonable marcus can simulate better than say a chris or tyson
skarmorak used to be there, but there are other options
get back to us on tuesday
anything out right now isnt really worth it
especially veteran track items
Literally does?
But also, Mark of khadros grants more mastery on its on-use
Skarmorak shard instead grants a little bit of mastery for 15sec when stuff dies
Yeah realised after actually reading it properly it's a better on use 👍
What you guys think
its bad
intellect too hmm
It’s str it’s bugged
Arms>fury
Why exactly is spear suggested in the m+ build for thane? I guess it "sims" better but roar is way better under real conditions imo. Also always when i saw nextback in stream he was running thane roar (not watching him 24/7 maybe he runs spear aswell).
who cares what nextback runs
he does his own thing
what makes you say "its better under real conditions"?
Well i do. He is one of the best protwarriors over last seasons...
not really
he has the io
doesnt mean hes "best"
the player does not complete keys, much less high keys
the team does
again, what makes you say "its better under real conditions"?
What does you make say spear is better? Bc guide says so?
thane benefits from 25% more crit damage
because thane does burst well
with the added bonus of chaining mobs
which may or may not jump behind you in ahem NW and butt fuck you
not to mention the numerous fixates
etc etc
thane doesnt buff bleeds
So tethering mobs in NW on a 1.5min is the key. Good to know. Curious to see what the majority of high rated protwarrs will end Up running.
so TR looses value
and spear got buffed to do damage
plus its capstones makes it better for thane then TR
Roar also got nerfed, as well; it doesn't buff your bleeds at all times
if youre so keen on following what the high rated prot wars play, why are you asking here and not them?
Honestly, in practice, they're almost the same button, since the chain has niche value and flat out doesn't work on bosses, and roar is almost entirely just damage with no extra effects
i mean hes following this
I wanted to pull up Nome's breakdown post as to why Spear is better but it was in the beta channel and that's gone now
i know he is
honestly, i don't have any context, but that's some impressive button pressing. It's gotta hurt to mash 2, 3 and 5 like that while only sometimes hitting 4
wait does thunderous roar not grant ragE?
i could've sworn it did but it's not showing in the tooltip
It does not iirc
I think it did in like DF beta or something
I think it was removed to make Roar the damage option and Spear the rage gen option or something is my guess on intent if I am remembering right.
but like, it didn't really work out that way, so
hes not mashing them its a macro
COWARD
lemme see if i can read nome's explaination because on paper at face value that sounds.. fine.
but i'm probably missing something massive
You can spend the points to get both nodes to on spear, simply does more damage as thane
Ah sry my bad. Didnt know this was the discord only for the average gamers in their bubble not carrying about what the world best warriors might do (im not saying they will run roar). But hey if spear its better in paper who tf give a shit what nextback is running.
slipped my mind because i keep griefing my fucking rotation, i throw the spear down and then waste my gcds on dumb shit
nome, i miss the beta channels. i keep finding times i want to link back to a post from there
i deserve the chair
Mmh yes, high rated prot warriors could never be wrong could they
The only reason to run roar is because it's a shorter cd, for threat
Other than that, spear is better in every regard as thane
They can't ever be, Nome. They're god gamers among men at WoW, they can't ever be wrong about anything whatsoever, because that's how everything works.
they could never just be pressing one buttton that doesnt play for tthem SURELY
That's all there is to it
That's why the best scientists and scholars of each era have never made mistakes, and breakthroughs have never been made.
If people end up running roar, they're either doing it for threat, or the wrong reasons
its funny how he accused me of dick-riding "because the wowhead says so" while polishing nextback's pole lmao
Let's not pile on here
and while i gave him a straight answer
Rather have an honest discussion
he never answered what makes him say "its better under real conditions"?
because he cant
I would prefer an honest discussion, but I don't think our end is going to enable that
im done 🙂
So maybe this might be a reason highrated warrios might endup using it in high keys. We will see. Good point.
Correct
That's the only valid reason
If they bring up other reasons, they're just talking out of their ass
I'd find it unlikely unless Blizz achieves their goal of making pull sizes drastically smaller, but it's 100% a valid reason
Can i please ask how much better. Is it 2%, 10%?
Since traditionally, high key pulls are handled by pulling big to beat the timer
Lemme see if I can find the screenshots
Since things just have too much HP bloat to get through, and the only way to get more damage is to add more things to hit
I love that you still decided to include the no UF, even though you knew what the result would loosely be.
look what i just got
just based on the entry name alone
So about 2.4ish%?
Yeah
thank you
That's the best case scenario for roar BTW
Even in the best case, it loses
Even on 10t 1min
Roar does just less
wtf is TW
OH
Im always curious how big difference it is because everyone here is minmax above all.
And while spear/roar isnt a big difference for me personally in terms on comfortably playing, its good to know 😛
At any rate, you're more likely to run into non-Prot war mains or Warriors who aren't Sense run roar due to aggro and wanting to focus more on enabling the DPS; doing a bit less damage on your tank isn't going to makeup if you can't manage to pull bigger for your DPS due to any random reason
shit i was going to go to bed but i just remembered i've been wanting a wa for a mouse circle so i can find it easier since i've been head empty more recently
Also roar is just alot easier to play cuz you can't miss it
But I will not play it as thane
Cuz im not a pussy
Anyone got a few recs on that end?
you are what you eat... unless.. no... not you..
The amount of times i send spear into the wild because im not used to cursor macro is TOO DAMN HIGH lol...
I say that like every time I do an M0 run, and everyone I know screams
I don't die or even go low, so it's fine
Does that come with a mouse portion or is it just for stance? I already have a stance WA
do it @player and it lands at your feet every time
oh whoops
Player makes it harder to hit them all since it eats half the circle by placing you at the center
I know but its not optimal.
and there shouldn't be anything behind you or you tend to stop being alive very fast
huh? How i outgrow?
I just got it when logging in 😒
wait we don't take intimidating shout anymore?
are you looking at the raid builds or something
no i'm on the mythic+ tab
dude i need to start archiving these pages i'm getting so confused i could've sworn i copied the build and it had intimidating shout
this isn't the first time my mind is playing tricks on me
just swap endurance (or rumbling) with it
spear into double thunderblast shield charge just feels too powerful
with ravager going
On top of that, I also brought up earlier to someone who asked that it's less value than before, as well, with how many mobs will just instantly recast what you stopped with int shout
i wonder how hard i can avoid optional buttons in a build
i'm gonna cook, get the fire extinguisher
which is it? 50% or 10% quite the difference
20% for fury
🤔 fort minor i see
What much dps go up with buffs and is thunder clapper still best?
Many much, si
ok
my work is done, but i need people to perfect it
behold
i have SOLVED ROTATION ISSUES
by granting you no rotation
talenting rend with no devastator is probably more grief
he made it so you have to press Last Stand as a part of Bolster smh
bht idk
Does apl need updating? I don't understand how much the buffs are
nome where's the execute buff so it works like brann's
i swear brann must've grown up with those liveleak videos because he executes like he's in them. he just thanos snaps mobs at 30%
any tips for heroic broodtwister? i only do pug raids, seems to be alot of damage going out
My instant kneejerk guess is that you might be getting clipped in the back on that fight
full hp on debuff expire yes, spider hurt big bad too
Since it's uncomfortably easy to get a spider to the sides
based
Ffs
Day 3 heroic logs
When everybody is doing splits
But yes, bdk is doing the most tank dmg
A lot of that is also going to be just what the public is playing
Everyone else is behind
split deez
We're like 100k behind BdK
Bdk is getting buff too
Sanlayn*
Aka the hero tree that does 300k less dps
Than deathbringer
This is how the profiles look like rn, bdk still needs a lot of work but is around 920k
The indirect dmg buffs to pwar don't do anything
does anyone know anyone in US that can do R5 pvp chest?
Sadly we don’t know.
There's absolutely several people that can do that
who? been looking for ages on frostmourne US and cant find anyone
the only messages i get are people that are like "did you find someone??"
ilvl is almost always worth it over the correct stats, right?
honestly just dont putnit
pug it
They probably want to help you but making sure if maybe someone already processing your order.
nah its literally the other people in trade chat spamming the same thing
how effective is storm shield and intervene this season? my first impression seems that it's kinda just minor and barely helps with anything
hey guys I apologise for a noob question but im back to prot after a lon break and I'm setting my keybinds. Do you have Slam and whirlwind on you keybars ? Are they usable ? I ask cause some time ago slam was completely omited for arms in example#
Colossus serves only the purpose of padding on AOE if there's literally zero threat to your life in M+
As it sacrifices survivability to function
And since M+ has higher damage intake than raid, you really can't afford that in skill/gear relevant keys
ah
thanks for the help
i though tank is the go to i pull 3 mobs and get killed after charge immediately xD
fuck delves..
ive no clue it came instand..
Just don't stand in it

normal kobold dropped me to 20% health... wth is going on xD
thats tier 6 xD
im 581
Reckon it's a pick then? instead of 5% ms? or how would you value it?
I mean, when you're 'tanking' Kiting has value, but the 30% ms between packs is gonna be fine most of the time. esp with heroic leap and the amount of mount-ups availible in many dungeons, charge and what not.
5% reduced cd's on honed reflexes seems tuned to the downside. Just increasing the margin of error in interrupt chains yea?
Are there any sims with also the weapon embellishments?
its a pick on sll warrior specs bc its throughput
the ms talent is never taken rn
wat
war machine is TURBO HARD LOCKED
if you see anybody who isnt playing it
theyre hard trolling
war machine generated 500 rage
for free
thats not even counting the extra rage on auto attacks
Can someone pls help me understand how to gear a prot warrior her heroics when normals drop 554 not upgradable, all wq done and stuck at 558.
what ilvl do you need now to q heroics?
You can do m0 at this ilvl, just dont pull multiple packs to be safe
id just buy boe items
or even do heroic dungeons walking in with people
I got excited for a second. No stam or main stat, instant depression LOL
won't be enough
You need 567 for heroics it's dumb. No groups want a sub ilevel tank lol. This is stoopid
Make your own group
oh i thought u could buy 570 items
any tips for waxface? xD i dont ahve enough heal to outheal the aoe..
What weapon enchant we do now? after Authority of the Depths nerf
Its dumb but that's how blizz made it
streamers aren't always right
@lusty grotto this you?
would you consider this to be a good trinket ?
no
Brand new to prot. Is the aim to easily get 100% shield block uptime without piles of haste?
you get 100% block uptime by taking talents like this
once you get piles of haste (35% unbuffed) you switch heavy repercussions to the second option - into the fray
does defensive stance affect brann's damage?
def stance has no dmg penalty
got these 2 trinkets but wowhead says my current ones are better
so I basically got useless trinkets rn out of the raid?
"might" change after the nerf to trinkets next week, where sacbrood is nerfed and meat hook too (for tanks)
so I should keep both of them
for now
aight thank u lads
ye just keep all trinkets
but sadly I lost bis weapon
to a deathknight
...
not a single warrior token on normal hahaha
and 10 people left after we killed the court
dunno why but no one wants to kill the queen?!
Queen is way easier then court
court got us working a bit thats for sure
@marble cipher u think the 2 I got might probably get the 2 bis trinkets?
or what do u think will be best after wednesday
#updates-midnight he says sacbrood might remain the best but meathook wasnt even mentioned
@steady karma can u enlighten me about meathook trinket? Will it be interchangeable or completly dogshit
If yes I would give the 2nd tank one of the trinkets I won
RIP the Sac
Jk prolly nothing in the grand scheme of things
Which tier piece slot are we not using?
Are delves doabel for group now? anyone tested
🤔
they were doable yesterday
should i upgrade my m0 gear
we actually going for above 80% embellishments? I would be surprised if that worked for pushing keys
Even prot warr
holy hell this sucks balls
honestly
it sounds like a rshamn hpal shield
whom is getting slammed by earth bolts
yes because wehn played correctly your health doesnt move
but we dont even know what embellishments to take yet
im out of the loop on this, by this 80% you guys mean ones that have buff uptimes of essentially 100% for embellishments?
havent run any delves, ran like, 2 zeros
we're talking about one that gives you vers while you're above 80% hp
oh ya, is there a site that lists all of them
gunna check out the big list of em and go with one on the guide probably
are there only two of those, crit and vers?
sac wont change that much .. it will be great anyways ... hook on the other side ..
Yeah... just like most Delve effects it is shit.
done a 5 man today. not much of an issue
I shouldnt care about head,chest,leg stats, becausee they will be set piece, right?
I have low ilvl head and legs and thinking if I should find dungeeon with bis stats and farm it or just farm whateveer
alright ty :). I was deciding between pwar and druid (druid mainly for brez and versa buff), but man, pwar feels more fun and fluid and I love spell reflect
really? So no real need to wait using cata so i dont accidentially do my hands and get tier hands from raid next week?
are all 4sets like this or just us?
🤷♂️
i meant, is it a design choice or do blizz just hate on prot?
If I get a 2h of higher lvl than my 1h, will I get cheaper upgrades for 1h and shield?
ahh, didnt know. thanks
I could understand that pre catalyst but why be power scarce with tier now?
s1 hasnt even started and youre looking to s2, thats some strong copium haha
so we are all immortal irl now?
The Grim Reaper doesn't kill you
you just don't go to the afterlife anymore
thanks yogi
ya fucked it
i always thought he killed and collected your soul
I think there's a few different versions
this game is awsome btw, reminds me of feeling i get when playing diablo 2
This is so dope. Randomly got a mount from trading post that matches my transmog so well 😮
is that not the heroic/epic edition mount
I have no idea, i saw the trading post cache lit up and it was in there.
yeah that's from buying the expansion
nice 😄
Hey, do we know if the spare meat hook trinket sims were already accounting for the tank damage reduction that just got fixed in-game by blizzard?
Killed her normal today
Tomorrow is heroic day
Need to go out with friends so I cant just do heroic now hahaha
well, u get the mount with the epic, but i supsect many ppl order the heroic expansion and not epic
If its not good anymore I would switch to the trinket I got from silken court
That trinket sounds amazing but sims say I should stick to meathook
I got my bis weapon on normal I hope heroic is also so nice to me 🥺
What build do people use for colossus in dungeons?
The worst part of early access is it's only going to get worse in the future. They better do some serious reflection or they could risk the integrity of the game.
One of the biggest aspects of WoW was everyone got to start (or at least had the opportunity) at the same time.
Now it seems like just buying the game isn't enough. You're not the same anymore. You didn't pay enough. You bought the "poor" edition so you can log in with your paid subscription but you're not allowed to access the new area because you didn't give Blizzard enough money.
Sir, this is a Wendy's
This just in: a business is wanting money. More news at 11
from wendys, gotta go with the baconator
And don't sleep on the strawberry lemonade
I bought early access and regreted it, there was nothing to do, was only useful for goblins. For gameplay and progression was completely unworth it
Pinned message is gone? is spark tuning done now?
My brother bought it and he was on vacation anyways and we ended up playing together a few days after -poor people- launch date. He bought it for the mounts.
I think Blizzard made a mistake because I think the vast majority bought the extra editions for cosmetics or extra game time and not to get leveled up faster.
ai art accidently drew mecha terminator taurens
i was trying to have it draw the terminator made of bacon, you know the baconator
but it makes my belly rumble 😦
Will dracthyr be better than dwarf for pwar?
i asked it to draw the baconator as a bacon monster, right is by far my favorite
Me whenever @proper roost is mean to me
quick question , are you all enjoying prot warrior as much as i do , running mythics feels so smooth 😅😅
one has short stubby legs and runs like a drunk toddler, the other has +30% move speed and may or may not have a cloaca
it's a tough question to answer
Oh no I meant better as is the "bis" race
Drachtyr objectively the worst race ever
For season 1 there aren't many things to dwarf racial
So the dragon kit probably has more value
Will their racial give more dps than 1% crit
The DPS difference is going to be so miniscule it won't matter
move speed directly correlates to your uptime and thus DPS
Do you want to remove debuffs that can kill you? Dwarf pill
Do you want to look like an ugly lizard? Dracthyr
That silence though
Bis m+
I'm not pushing top 1% anything so race choice is irrelevant
There is a con for the lizard spec - need more keybinds. But jt also gives more cx
bro they haven't silenced for like... half a decade
Seriously?
What does it do now
it removes shields now
They remove enemy buffs now haha
Tail whip and typhoon as racial and flying. Got damn
It's an aoe magic dispel
it also boosts rage energy mana bars
Woah that sounds even better
It hasn't interrupted since what, bfa? lol
er
since legion
It was changed in bfa
5 years ago
All my characters are humans for Diplomacy
But now I just might race change to different shit just for the sake of it
Just keep one for rep farming and your Warband still profits
you go human because it lets you see stealhed mobs and get out of stun free
It's pretty useless, but like VP it had a niche use, AD it had a niche use
Diplomacy is gone dude
It's joever
Rip
stun is, regardless how it got there on you, once its on you, it might as well be game over for you
Just go orc for big green muscles and purple mohawk
blue dorf
Go female drainei and look at her sexy bum all day
bull is too iconic for me to drop atm
I already had sex irl I'm good
nerd
This is a much better way to decide race though fr
hey there
would be high mountain if i have mining on warrior
I have herbalism
All the USA players are FREE
HMT bull rush is very strong ability i find, incredibly useful, i have it on my bdk
the moose horns are kinda awesome, I race changed my hunter to one like back in legion
Im Silanced On Game Sadly and i Cant Make A GRP or join For Any Doungen
If anyone Free And Want Do M0 I Glad to Helped Me
Just Need Some One Make A GRP For m0
is like a short range dragon charge with stun
Brother what gamer words did you call your last team?
The unfortunate part of Bull Rush is that it puts your back to the mobs, and it shares DR with stuns despite being a brief knockdown
3 of the dungeons at the minimuim i out right dont want to play at all
that are in season 1
mists, ulda, and NW, slightly on siege
Epic Gamer Moment
What do you enjoy Yogi
Season 1 m+ gonna be lit
Like clothing?
Mark it
did you ever play L4D?
Yep
well, the only thing francis DOESNT hate, is vests
and im implying i pretty much hate everything
As long as you don’t hate yourself
if i have to play mists, ya
That is very sad yogi why is that
I’ll do extra mists and you can just take some of my completions
I’ll do some extra of those also
do we know which tanks are highest dmg in dungeeons now or we need to wait for m+?
Everything dies to fast
I have groupss in 0 where this not apply, I mostly havee second place on details meter overall
but yeah, had once group with two roguees and it was instaa delete trash
Stop inviting fire mages and bm hunters
haha, it was mainly boomie and locks
thats next week already? I though its anniversary tunning
It's hot fixes for mythic week
ah thats true
reading the patch notes, rip fury, but... they actually increased hero damage? so this is actually a Prot buff?
if you searched this channel this has been talked about for 12+ hours
good tip, if you see patchnotes see when they were posted. they are talked about in here abt 5s afterwards
thanks, honestly i have been away from wow for a while and just stumbled on the notes
then you can safely assume you were not the first
i see they removed the pinned message about the sparks, so what is usually recommended to use the sparks on?
crafting section
scrolling is hard
yeah, in fact is it hard in discord, but thanks for the info 😄
I already see that in the BiS list they are crafting Wrists and Belt so i guess thats what i should do for embellishments
It's supposed to make fury thane better (spoiler it won't)
but i guess fury will still be better than arms even with this adjustment. Not going to main it, just for a dps offspec when i cant tank for some reason
Invite frost dk‘s arcane mage survival hunters ret paladins shaman enhance/elemental doesnt matter
In my opinion the best u can get
Rogues are also great
People often forget how much dps they do
Btw ret and dk (paladin in general) is just so good because battle ress has big time value
Resto shaman is the best healer hands down but I wouldnt be so picky ngl (dunno about monk healer they sometimes fck up so I dont invite them rn anymore)
Shaman and paladin just doing better in my opinion and my experience
if player is bad, class will not help
Well checking gear
Is also important
My 598 ret does 1.1 mil damage
I have 580, enha had 575, retri and evoker 590
Well okey but being bad on a ret is something
Its a really really simple rotation
MW monk is super good as healer in m+, it just sucks they dont provide much (no brez, phys dmg is not that valuable, no bl)
I was maining m+ in DF. Control is good, but I hated that group always waited for bl/brez
they are used to spin to win, which iss not possible in high intake situations. You could heeal party up to like +20 in old keys with just spinning
Yea but bro resto shamans and hpally are just doing a fantastic job
I also get a resto druid because motw is big
It's probably renown locked by whatever renown that npc is with
Yea healing is amazing if they get the chance
But thats the problem
yeah, I wanted to play guardian this patch because of motws and combat ress, but I cant stand jojo hp
Tbh I did nerub today
and biggesst dps hero taleents are big rng
Guardian just sucks against magic
I had to save him so many times lol
I think the best tank for dps btw is blood dk
yeah, they have insane healing and big cd, but I hate that jojo hp outside of cds
They are really strong in general rn
You need unlock it in the delve season journey
Do more bountiful delves
I cant remembeer when this wasnt true 😄
True
have done like 12+
That's the delve coin vendor
Pff lmao ok
That's like at the very very end
Check the book on the table near bran
It's like maybe last or second last unlock
@theorycrafters why does crit pull ahead of vers when playing mountain thane compared to colossus?
Toxic af
I'm putting you on on the bad people list with Kanga

Did someone say that it does?
Yeah you think about that Mr Formerly known as Gash
Its the discords recommendation ye
its just me or storm shield sounds very weak? its like 400k magic absorb now? or it will bee mainly for push keys
What recommendation?
We've never said that crit or vers is better based on hero spec to my knowledge
i'm roadblocked by not being able to kill the eggs fast enough, but otherwise yea
I mean i know class discords generally are focused on builds/stats for dmg, and not for say high keys, but just wanted to ask why, for my own deduction
Yeah
Fungal folly is easy mode
Thats what I am wondering. Feels like brann is not doing dmg anymore. Doing less on lvl 30 than 2 days ago na lvl 20
Short answer is probably because it simmed better, or that they just inadvertently reversed the two (since crit and vers are pretty much equal for damage).
He's not talking bout zekvir
i think ill stick to versa then, survivability is all that matters for high keys from my experience anyways
Isnt 13 just boss?
I mean, crit provides a lot of survival in high keys
Oh you mean zekvir ??
I want that purple transmog mount, I thought Its 13
Yeah zekvir
It's technically doable if you manage to have brann kill the cocoons
But otherwise nah
well its parry and leech, and parryable things dont usually pose problems for warrior (i think?). But i might be wrong, have only done title level stuff on vdh, not sure what is scary for prots
Brann is tickling now unfornatelly
Try to get him to max level and use arrowhead and stuff
You can tank zekvir by himself just fine
It's the adds that destroy me
If he's too far away you can't dodge his cone without leap
Mine bugged at lvl30, can't go higher
Leech? And melee damage still makes up the largest percentage of damage you take over the course of a key.
RIP then
why are his adds a problem still aint run delves, swear i will some poiint
They stun you for 5 seconds
in the hardmode, if you dont kill them as eggs the adds heal to full hp and stun you for 5 seconds
yo
Bran can easily kill them with focus fire and aimed shot but he never does
which list is more credible
If only you could tell him what to attack it would be easy
Both from people here so whatever you like
Frankly I think a hunter should be able to do zekvir just fine
i mean is there any big difference?
not really, the biggest diff would be trinkets, and they aren't
I think I might have set a record for bad luck in delves…and I’ve done far more than 50, the achievement just stops tracking it at 50
i've only gotten 1 hidden trove 🙂
how tf have you gotten 50 coffer keys already?
How the hell did you get 50 keys
Thats a big question
Alts. An army of alts.
oh it tracks warband wide

I do. I also work from home…bad combo
Yeah working from home is fun, meetings in thé morning+ work and wow after lunch
might be a super dumb question or maybe its just rng, anyone know why sometimes i execute for like 1.6 mil and other times its way less
Delves are excellent content for work meetings. No timer, can afk as needed
Maybe your rage or talents?
- bastion spear is 25% crit dmg
thx lol the difference in dmg is crazy, 100k sometimes vs 1.6 milli lol
they liteally have same items
all stats have defensive value
Was thinking if its a big dps upg over versa, then leech makes it better defensively, very minor, but figured id mention
Fair fair
You stack haste after that you sim for dps
Noted
Haste crit haste versatility
What was the haste breakpoint for itf?
having some mastery is good because crit block and you have spell block, crit gives you parry
35% unbuffed
Guys do u feel sometimes immortal
I literally die so late even when everyone is desd
Dead
No man my bones ache all the time, I feel dizzy when I stand up to fast and stuff age is creeping up slowly

Too real, pls stop
Ur going on my bad people list too
Can I ask though
When does balding just turn into bald? Like do you have to be completely without hair or
Balding is losing ur hair
Bald is bald when you have no hair
Right but
Just shave it off when you start balding
People don't really go 100% bald
Accept it
Some people do
Like male pattern baldness leaves you with the danny devito style 99% of the time
My father has no hair bro
Think warrior will be the meta tank this season?
We get so massive damage buffs
Im impressed
But feels good I had the feeling druid tank does more damage than us
Nah
No demon hunters have meta not warriors we have avatar
Tbh I think we are but blood dk and VDH are also insaneeee
Btw VDH are toxic
Change my mind
Never saw a nice VDH
They were imprisoned for ages of course they are mad as hell
“Nice guys finish last” -Illidan Stormrage
U are not preparee
Prepared
But DK‘s are nice dudes
Monks and DH are most of the time toxic NO JOKE
meta comp tank will prob be druid for mark
tanks aren't dying in high keys anymore really (sorry paladins)
Yeah, I’m not gonna lie. Monks often seem very upset in my experience
Obviously
Bro my monk was shitting on my healer priest who was new to the game I was like relax man this is a video game everyone learns
Yeah the only reason there are any demon hunters at all is because illidan got cucked by his brother malfurion
The original bear meta

Why is every girl simping for turalyon tho he is a bitch
Bro got stopped by illidan with his bare hands
Bro is a old human warrior he is basically saurfang but less cool
Wait is turalyon even a warrior
Or is he a paladin
I dont even know hahaha
Wait he was a priest
Bro are u serious
I just saw that on google
He was a priest bro
He was healing uther bro no wonder he is such a bitch
yeh no one likes him
All original paladins used to be priests
They were trained in martial warfare and became paladins
My favorite cutscene in WoW. Also you should go watch the fight scene from the end of Rob Roy.
what prio has the free execute when playing the execute raid build?
i guess the same as a free revenge right?
hey is nim here
big true
I actually quit playing priest after that cinematic for a couple of years
Why they have to nerf my meathook
man I got blessed by delve today
thats some nice stats
need some versatility soon tho
not lucky with that
im not sure why, but the paladin in our arakara 0 kept hard spamming freedoms on me like on CD basically entire dungeon
i saw it go off at least 4 times
thats what i thought too, one was at the bridge when i go right
Yeah 30%
this dude was doing it like constantly on me
he likes u bro
my bear likes me too
I know store mount but guys cmon transmog on a bear
blizzard got me
this is really good right?
hey guys, do we have a updated weak aura (for m+ too) for Spell Reflect ?
Nope
No stamina is absolutely BiS for tanks
Ooo lmaoo I didn’t even see that
tak-rethan abyss shows as a bountiful delve to me on the map but when I walk to it its not bountiful wtf
Stamina is whatever but no secondaries makes it ehhhhh
So strictly an ilvl booster to get me invited to things faster
i need to farm ara kara or pointless until next week since its "only" m0?
You’ll obv be able to get better versions of everything next week
But it’s good to learn what the bosses do right
do you ever push revenge as mountain thane or only ignore pain
revenge is really bad as MT, check the wowhead guide
is there a vendor where I can upgrade crests? I have no use for my weather crests anymore:)
They can never go up, only down
I mean I still press it if SS on CD, TC on CD, better than not pressing button, and who knows chance to reset the SS. Plus you might still want to press it if you on M+ just for spreading the deep wounds.
But obviously you are not pressing it as often as Colossus.
in dragonflight there was a vendor where you could trade in 90, which still counted towards season cap
i read that the sac trinket is going to be nerfed, but now this... Spare Meat Hook will still be worth to use?
dawnbreaker isnt so hard either (havent run it a second time)
Sac already got nerfed
I thought the vendor is beside the upgrade NPC at dornogal?
Keep trying yogi we believe in you
it only sells the downgrades i think
is still bis for us?
vaskarn usually does that at DF
Yeah its not hard ppl just dont like how awkward it is i think
🤷 probably but also lol lmao m0 trinkets
Hmmm then wait for a few weeks until they release patch I think?
Stop being so negative man
It'll never sell "upgrades", thats not how the system works
Patch for what? They won’t allow you to upgrade only downgrade
You will naturally have useless crests on the lower tiers
thats how the system works
im scared of the lemon lime flavored froot roll up
it did in dragonflight. you could use 90 lower ones for 15 higher ones
this one has pizza for some reason and uh, mexico ? flag? not sure
You could trade them in for higher crests 90:15
yep
Don't be scared
only if they were really useless though
End of expansion stuff, not s1
the froot roll up can roll u up like a joint and smoke u
u get caught in the wave and taken awy
with craft we need make on war protection ?
Don't smoke fruit roll ups yogi
vambraces ?
All listed on the wowhead class guide
well ya, but my dps at least in heroics were just swiming in it
the upgrade crest did not exist til like s4 i think
that entire mechanic is a bit jebait-ish
it def did not exist ever in s2/3 on purpose
we wont get bullion either dk what to tell ya
DF it was s3 cuz i did it all the time upgrading crests
You don't know that
S4 is not ‘real’ don’t expect anything you only saw there to be in S1
s4 SL was l it
If you played bdk lock or hunter
i had some fun despite it being legion keys i literally never ran ever
that caused alot of grief to me
You can, sorry if answered already
all the tradeups are locked behind achievements
Croggers outgrowing
kanga from fight club?
Also, is 606 Quickwick Candlestick better than a 606 meat hook? After the nerfs i'm curious. Couldn't sim it properly, as i have not yet dropped the hook and i'm guessing candlestick is in low A tier because it's locked at Hero track
not better until u upgrade the candle
So back to necrotic wake i go
my source? trust me bro
I doubt meathook will be there at the top after nerfs , 50% is huge
That's what i thought
And 6k haste for 20s is not bad
Like , sim them now, compare dps , then substract 50% of meathook to see at least rough number
I can't, don't have meat hook unless i'm really dumb and there is a way to sim items you don't have
yeah i wont bother with meat hook if the nerf is that big
Yea there is a way to sim items u dont have
on raidbots?
No Kanga from Meanie Town
I think its under topgear
what is best emble for m+ ?
I'm running the sim, will see if it works the way i think
some people here were discussing some embellishments when you are above 80% hp but i dunno niether about craft
its like, i will craft some item for my self anyways
Yeah, it seems like meathook is still the way, it simmed with 10k dps upgrade, even after the nerfs it proppably is above candle, but maybe something else will outshine it
It also depends what kind of sims u use
Standard
More like targets and time what content u runing
Yy, i know, standard st 5min
I think the actual standard sim is 5 patchworks, 1.5 min fight
at least for us i think
Maybe i changed something years ago and was going with that ever since
Depends if u siming raid or m+
oh, raid damage can be w/e for me xD
I'm not a sim enthusiast i just do this
I'm in no way good enough to do optimal sims, since my skills are not optimal
yeah, for m+ change it to 5 bosses, keep patchwerk, and simc latests
Now i changed to 1:30, i ran it at 5 min
i think thats the setting nom told me to use, im not a pro either x
Also do some aoe sim, i believe meathook will be weaker on aoe compared to candle , especialy after nerf
For sure, in m+ i would run candle 100% since haste also gives more survivability
And the results for aoe is hook 472 dmg ahead of candle, so after the nerfs candle wins
for now my trinkets are a 606 skar shard and a 606 candle
no luck with either egg nor hook
Same
I got 7 people i ran dungs with drop the egg
So today we run it for me
50% chance
And i didn't see hook drop once yet
eh maybe but pretty fast bosses in m+ are gunna take 2-3 mins
Also is that good or what?
and we only really care about ST anyways as our aoe is fine
That seems like a long time use, i don't mythic raid so it looks great i think
Yea its high ilvl wepon ofc its good. And wheter or not u raid* thats like 3rd highest ilvl possible overal
when you get to a +10 a lot of bosses will be 3-4min due to Tyr on every key even with the nerfed hp
Hi guys, what should I craft, which Embelish? I can't seem to figure it out on Wowhead?
pretty shit, but sim it
Huh am i stupid or is it a new feature that outburst won't spend if your TC doesn't hit anything
Any defensive tank trinket recommendations NOT from raid?
They all suck
Find a trinket with strength and a secondary stat proc or the other way around
Like the Ara Kara first boss one
You think the ara kara trinket will still be worth using once the tuning comes on Tuesday?
The tuning is nothing
i kinda hate this trinket but this is the best simming trinket i have on me, egg and hook avoided me today too 😦
What's your thoughts on meat hook once tuning hits?
I think so? 5% reduce stat is not big deal I think?
i fee like i need a separate weakauras because i kinda forget to use it again and i stun myself more than i should xD
itll be as good as it sims
Yo, is there still a cap for talent loadouts as in df or is that gone?
Hi guys, I'm new to wow tanking and I would like to learn it well, I've been looking at some guides on wowhead and stuff, but they don't go as far as giving tips on where to move the boss or how to sync up with the other tank. Do you know of any guide/page that is reliable and gives good advice?
there is
i recommend watching specific boss tank guided when/if they come out
Fuck, still 6? Any solution? In df i tried an addon but that ahit worked aweful
Well usually this will be handled with DBM if you talk about tank swap, and then watch videos from youtube, Hazelnutty is a good one to watch, short to the point.
idk what the cap is i just know im capped on one of my characters
Okay, thanks to both of you, I'll take a look at it.
but please even if you have DBM/Bigwig try to see the actual mech for tank swap, who knows sometimes dbm got problem or anything 🙂
hey ! just came back from work , do you know if we can do all the TWW m0 + s1 in m0 ?
You can’t
no no, the M0 are the 8 dungeons active for the season
Same goes for heroic
Watch Quazii, tactyks and Dorki on YouTube they has tons of tank guides and all give solid info
aight ty !!
Hi guys!
I got a question about reflect on silken court, mostly for poison bolt, why do i only get one or two that do damage back to boss per fight when i reflect a lot more? Is there a cd on dmg to boss or something?


