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empty sparrow
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Has there been any notion on high end m+ embelishments?

paper gorge
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Why would outburst increase the priority of TB vs SS when it's a 200% increase to both? The relative damage between the two stays the same, outburst or no outburst.

pallid quiver
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Because TB does more damage in multi-target than SS, and you have one outburst.

paper gorge
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Oh yea, normally SS would be prio for rage gen. Makes sense

pallid quiver
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SS is normally prio for both rage gen and damage. It does more damage than TC until pretty notable target counts

lusty grotto
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and damage

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and prio damage

pallid quiver
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And the rage gen allows more cycling. TB turns both of those on their heads, as it is not as far behind in gen and does stonks damage

paper gorge
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Yea I was only looking at it from a strictly damage perspective, completely forgot about the rage gains

acoustic slate
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what is the better offspec when tanking in mythic plus but raiding in dps?

graceful kite
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Arms probably

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Arms is crit haste and only needs 1 weapon

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Fury is a lot more fun tho

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I forgot enchants and didnt craft weapons and now my logs suck ass

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Day ruined

reef sable
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With the change to meat hook, has anyone been able to sim the changes yet and determine what would be our next best options? Or would you just move down the list to the next thing on the common bis lists? was interested in simming it vs something like the 610 pvp trinket

graceful kite
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Check bloodmallet, detract numbers from meat hook according to nerf

acoustic slate
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Is arms alot weaker in raid?

lusty grotto
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this is the prot channel

graceful kite
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Its better in single target and worse for padding

rotund moon
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Ilvl over stats on gear? or haste over everything?

soft tusk
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speed

pallid quiver
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And jewelry often is better ilvl over all

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Trinkets are generally a sim question due to their unique nature

zealous goblet
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just for the fuck of it

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how much % dmg does someone's brann do?

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if you view his abilities you can see the ammunition thingy. hover it and lmk

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it's 67% at level 30, rank 21/50

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i'd like to compare and see how much he's grown

lusty grotto
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max level

zealous goblet
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interesting, so i'm missing about 11%

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the main reason i'm curious is because i wanna see how much easier delves and zekvir would get off brann alone.

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i'm hunting for them transmogs and titles

vast dragon
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what should i use sparks on

lusty grotto
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you should use them in reading the pins

soft tusk
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put them both on rings

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EZ

vast dragon
lusty grotto
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no, i could not

vast dragon
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weird

lusty grotto
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says the guy in a class discord not checking the pins

vast dragon
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corny

neat crow
lusty grotto
zealous goblet
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sorry i'm mentally stunted

vast dragon
lusty grotto
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guilty as charged

zealous goblet
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hey guys i need to know

zealous goblet
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what're your thoughts on them earthen gals?

strong blaze
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Surely Skarmarok shard is just a better version of Mark of Khadros? wowhead gear guide doesnt mention it

lusty grotto
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mark sims higher

zealous goblet
lusty grotto
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skarmorak used to be there, but there are other options

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get back to us on tuesday

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anything out right now isnt really worth it

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especially veteran track items

proper roost
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keys keys keys

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lack of keys is killin me

strong forum
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But also, Mark of khadros grants more mastery on its on-use

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Skarmorak shard instead grants a little bit of mastery for 15sec when stuff dies

strong blaze
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Yeah realised after actually reading it properly it's a better on use 👍

soft patio
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What you guys think

jagged pier
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its bad

lusty grotto
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intellect too hmm

soft patio
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It’s str it’s bugged

lusty grotto
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its bugged straight to the vendor also

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congrats on your 90g

soft patio
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Hahahaha

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Zekvir dropped today

chilly brook
flint cliff
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Why exactly is spear suggested in the m+ build for thane? I guess it "sims" better but roar is way better under real conditions imo. Also always when i saw nextback in stream he was running thane roar (not watching him 24/7 maybe he runs spear aswell).

lusty grotto
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who cares what nextback runs

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he does his own thing

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what makes you say "its better under real conditions"?

flint cliff
lusty grotto
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not really

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he has the io

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doesnt mean hes "best"

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the player does not complete keys, much less high keys

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the team does

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again, what makes you say "its better under real conditions"?

flint cliff
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What does you make say spear is better? Bc guide says so?

lusty grotto
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thane benefits from 25% more crit damage

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because thane does burst well

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with the added bonus of chaining mobs

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which may or may not jump behind you in ahem NW and butt fuck you

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not to mention the numerous fixates

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etc etc

jagged pier
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thane doesnt buff bleeds

flint cliff
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So tethering mobs in NW on a 1.5min is the key. Good to know. Curious to see what the majority of high rated protwarrs will end Up running.

jagged pier
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so TR looses value

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and spear got buffed to do damage

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plus its capstones makes it better for thane then TR

pallid quiver
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Roar also got nerfed, as well; it doesn't buff your bleeds at all times

lusty grotto
pallid quiver
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Honestly, in practice, they're almost the same button, since the chain has niche value and flat out doesn't work on bosses, and roar is almost entirely just damage with no extra effects

pallid quiver
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I wanted to pull up Nome's breakdown post as to why Spear is better but it was in the beta channel and that's gone now

lusty grotto
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i know he is

pallid quiver
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honestly, i don't have any context, but that's some impressive button pressing. It's gotta hurt to mash 2, 3 and 5 like that while only sometimes hitting 4

zealous goblet
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wait does thunderous roar not grant ragE?

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i could've sworn it did but it's not showing in the tooltip

pallid quiver
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It does not iirc

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I think it did in like DF beta or something

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I think it was removed to make Roar the damage option and Spear the rage gen option or something is my guess on intent if I am remembering right.

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but like, it didn't really work out that way, so

jagged pier
pallid quiver
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COWARD

zealous goblet
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lemme see if i can read nome's explaination because on paper at face value that sounds.. fine.

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but i'm probably missing something massive

strong forum
zealous goblet
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oh right the crit damage boost

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oops

flint cliff
zealous goblet
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slipped my mind because i keep griefing my fucking rotation, i throw the spear down and then waste my gcds on dumb shit

pallid quiver
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nome, i miss the beta channels. i keep finding times i want to link back to a post from there

zealous goblet
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i deserve the chair

strong forum
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Mmh yes, high rated prot warriors could never be wrong could they

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The only reason to run roar is because it's a shorter cd, for threat

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Other than that, spear is better in every regard as thane

pallid quiver
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They can't ever be, Nome. They're god gamers among men at WoW, they can't ever be wrong about anything whatsoever, because that's how everything works.

jagged pier
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they could never just be pressing one buttton that doesnt play for tthem SURELY

lusty grotto
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this guy right now

strong forum
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That's all there is to it

pallid quiver
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That's why the best scientists and scholars of each era have never made mistakes, and breakthroughs have never been made.

strong forum
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If people end up running roar, they're either doing it for threat, or the wrong reasons

lusty grotto
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its funny how he accused me of dick-riding "because the wowhead says so" while polishing nextback's pole lmao

strong forum
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Let's not pile on here

lusty grotto
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and while i gave him a straight answer

strong forum
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Rather have an honest discussion

lusty grotto
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he never answered what makes him say "its better under real conditions"?

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because he cant

pallid quiver
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I would prefer an honest discussion, but I don't think our end is going to enable that

lusty grotto
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im done 🙂

flint cliff
strong forum
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Correct

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That's the only valid reason

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If they bring up other reasons, they're just talking out of their ass

pallid quiver
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I'd find it unlikely unless Blizz achieves their goal of making pull sizes drastically smaller, but it's 100% a valid reason

tender cove
pallid quiver
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Since traditionally, high key pulls are handled by pulling big to beat the timer

strong forum
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Lemme see if I can find the screenshots

pallid quiver
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Since things just have too much HP bloat to get through, and the only way to get more damage is to add more things to hit

strong forum
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There that's 5t 1.5min

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With my pre-raid gear

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Top is recommended build

pallid quiver
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I love that you still decided to include the no UF, even though you knew what the result would loosely be.

lusty grotto
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look what i just got

pallid quiver
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just based on the entry name alone

tender cove
strong forum
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Yeah

tender cove
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thank you

strong forum
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That's the best case scenario for roar BTW

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Even in the best case, it loses

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Even on 10t 1min

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Roar does just less

zealous goblet
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wtf is TW

strong forum
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Simply because of opportunity cost

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Thunderous words

zealous goblet
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OH

tender cove
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Im always curious how big difference it is because everyone here is minmax above all.
And while spear/roar isnt a big difference for me personally in terms on comfortably playing, its good to know 😛

pallid quiver
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shit i was going to go to bed but i just remembered i've been wanting a wa for a mouse circle so i can find it easier since i've been head empty more recently

strong forum
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Also roar is just alot easier to play cuz you can't miss it

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But I will not play it as thane

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Cuz im not a pussy

pallid quiver
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Anyone got a few recs on that end?

zealous goblet
tender cove
pallid quiver
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I don't die or even go low, so it's fine

pallid quiver
fast oracle
lusty grotto
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oh whoops

pallid quiver
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Player makes it harder to hit them all since it eats half the circle by placing you at the center

lusty grotto
tender cove
pallid quiver
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and there shouldn't be anything behind you or you tend to stop being alive very fast

tender cove
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huh? How i outgrow?
I just got it when logging in 😒

zealous goblet
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wait we don't take intimidating shout anymore?

lusty grotto
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are you looking at the raid builds or something

zealous goblet
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no i'm on the mythic+ tab

strong forum
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You can but getting it is a bit awkward

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imo

zealous goblet
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dude i need to start archiving these pages i'm getting so confused i could've sworn i copied the build and it had intimidating shout

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this isn't the first time my mind is playing tricks on me

lusty grotto
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just swap endurance (or rumbling) with it

zealous goblet
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ye for sure

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i'm happy it's oneless button to press

south zealot
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spear into double thunderblast shield charge just feels too powerful

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with ravager going

pallid quiver
zealous goblet
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i wonder how hard i can avoid optional buttons in a build

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i'm gonna cook, get the fire extinguisher

cosmic canyon
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which is it? 50% or 10% quite the difference

strong forum
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50% for prot

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10% for arms

lusty grotto
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20% for fury

strong forum
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20% fury, 10% arms, 50% prot, 100% reason to remember the name

lusty grotto
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🤔 fort minor i see

lofty warren
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What much dps go up with buffs and is thunder clapper still best?

strong forum
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Many much, si

zealous goblet
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ok

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my work is done, but i need people to perfect it

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behold

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i have SOLVED ROTATION ISSUES

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by granting you no rotation

south zealot
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talenting rend with no devastator is probably more grief

pallid quiver
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he made it so you have to press Last Stand as a part of Bolster smh

south zealot
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bht idk

lofty warren
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Does apl need updating? I don't understand how much the buffs are

strong forum
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The buffs are idk 1 or 2% for thane

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And like 1 or 2% for colossus

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Prolly like 2%

pallid quiver
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nome where's the execute buff so it works like brann's

zealous goblet
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i swear brann must've grown up with those liveleak videos because he executes like he's in them. he just thanos snaps mobs at 30%

next burrow
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any tips for heroic broodtwister? i only do pug raids, seems to be alot of damage going out

pallid quiver
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My instant kneejerk guess is that you might be getting clipped in the back on that fight

next burrow
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full hp on debuff expire yes, spider hurt big bad too

pallid quiver
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Since it's uncomfortably easy to get a spider to the sides

strong forum
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That boss is absolutely a pug killer good luck

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Cba

zealous goblet
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i was told prot warriors are s tier

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oops rip the deleted message

strong forum
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Ye I did

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C-b-a

pallid quiver
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based

lofty warren
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Ffs

strong forum
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Day 3 heroic logs

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When everybody is doing splits

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But yes, bdk is doing the most tank dmg

pallid quiver
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A lot of that is also going to be just what the public is playing

strong forum
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Everyone else is behind

zealous goblet
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split deez

strong forum
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We're like 100k behind BdK

lofty warren
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Bdk is getting buff too

strong forum
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Sanlayn*

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Aka the hero tree that does 300k less dps

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Than deathbringer

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This is how the profiles look like rn, bdk still needs a lot of work but is around 920k

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The indirect dmg buffs to pwar don't do anything

thick zenith
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does anyone know anyone in US that can do R5 pvp chest?

violet ginkgo
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Sadly we don’t know.

strong forum
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There's absolutely several people that can do that

thick zenith
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who? been looking for ages on frostmourne US and cant find anyone

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the only messages i get are people that are like "did you find someone??"

balmy spear
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ilvl is almost always worth it over the correct stats, right?

south zealot
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pug it

violet ginkgo
thick zenith
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nah its literally the other people in trade chat spamming the same thing

neat crow
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how effective is storm shield and intervene this season? my first impression seems that it's kinda just minor and barely helps with anything

solar cave
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hey guys I apologise for a noob question but im back to prot after a lon break and I'm setting my keybinds. Do you have Slam and whirlwind on you keybars ? Are they usable ? I ask cause some time ago slam was completely omited for arms in example#

pallid quiver
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Slam and WW are remnants from levelling

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They're off your bars as Prot

solar cave
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and second question is Thane>colosus best for m+ ?

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amazing as i was out of space :))

pallid quiver
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Colossus serves only the purpose of padding on AOE if there's literally zero threat to your life in M+

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As it sacrifices survivability to function

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And since M+ has higher damage intake than raid, you really can't afford that in skill/gear relevant keys

solar cave
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guys do you use ignore pain and shield block as 1 macro ?

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I see IV suggests it

jagged pier
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it replaces your ip binding

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u still have a SS keybinding

solar cave
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ah

pallid quiver
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It is also, notably, not with shield block

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it's with shield slam

solar cave
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thanks for the help

ashen locust
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i though tank is the go to i pull 3 mobs and get killed after charge immediately xD

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fuck delves..

molten gorge
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Isn't blazing wick the frontal?

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😂

ashen locust
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ive no clue it came instand..

molten gorge
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Just don't stand in it

blazing condor
ashen locust
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normal kobold dropped me to 20% health... wth is going on xD

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thats tier 6 xD

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im 581

cosmic canyon
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I mean, when you're 'tanking' Kiting has value, but the 30% ms between packs is gonna be fine most of the time. esp with heroic leap and the amount of mount-ups availible in many dungeons, charge and what not.

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5% reduced cd's on honed reflexes seems tuned to the downside. Just increasing the margin of error in interrupt chains yea?

shrewd ore
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Are there any sims with also the weapon embellishments?

south zealot
south zealot
strong forum
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war machine is TURBO HARD LOCKED

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if you see anybody who isnt playing it

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theyre hard trolling

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war machine generated 500 rage

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for free

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thats not even counting the extra rage on auto attacks

languid sorrel
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Can someone pls help me understand how to gear a prot warrior her heroics when normals drop 554 not upgradable, all wq done and stuck at 558.

graceful kite
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what ilvl do you need now to q heroics?

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You can do m0 at this ilvl, just dont pull multiple packs to be safe

south zealot
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id just buy boe items

graceful kite
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or even do heroic dungeons walking in with people

round vortex
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I got excited for a second. No stam or main stat, instant depression LOL

graceful kite
languid sorrel
graceful kite
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Make your own group

south zealot
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oh i thought u could buy 570 items

ashen locust
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any tips for waxface? xD i dont ahve enough heal to outheal the aoe..

uncut topaz
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What weapon enchant we do now? after Authority of the Depths nerf

south zealot
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yeah ig do low level delves or m0s

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thats weird

graceful kite
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Its dumb but that's how blizz made it

graceful kite
waxen frigate
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@lusty grotto this you?

brave kayak
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would you consider this to be a good trinket ?

jagged pier
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no

civic tulip
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Brand new to prot. Is the aim to easily get 100% shield block uptime without piles of haste?

graceful kite
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you get 100% block uptime by taking talents like this

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once you get piles of haste (35% unbuffed) you switch heavy repercussions to the second option - into the fray

void marten
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does defensive stance affect brann's damage?

shrewd ore
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def stance has no dmg penalty

void marten
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lol

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thanks man

true plaza
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got these 2 trinkets but wowhead says my current ones are better

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so I basically got useless trinkets rn out of the raid?

marble cipher
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"might" change after the nerf to trinkets next week, where sacbrood is nerfed and meat hook too (for tanks)

shrewd ore
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yes zr 2 equipped ones are better

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but the meat hook might be trash after wed

true plaza
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so I should keep both of them

marble cipher
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for now

true plaza
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aight thank u lads

shrewd ore
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ye just keep all trinkets

true plaza
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but sadly I lost bis weapon

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to a deathknight

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...

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not a single warrior token on normal hahaha

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and 10 people left after we killed the court

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dunno why but no one wants to kill the queen?!

robust urchin
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Queen is way easier then court

true plaza
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court got us working a bit thats for sure

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@marble cipher u think the 2 I got might probably get the 2 bis trinkets?

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or what do u think will be best after wednesday

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#updates-midnight he says sacbrood might remain the best but meathook wasnt even mentioned

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@steady karma can u enlighten me about meathook trinket? Will it be interchangeable or completly dogshit

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If yes I would give the 2nd tank one of the trinkets I won

chilly brook
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RIP the Sac

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Jk prolly nothing in the grand scheme of things

worthy mirage
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Which tier piece slot are we not using?

solar yew
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Are delves doabel for group now? anyone tested

remote tusk
jagged pier
opal forum
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should i upgrade my m0 gear

sinful pivot
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we actually going for above 80% embellishments? I would be surprised if that worked for pushing keys

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Even prot warr

sweet summit
tribal wharf
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honestly

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it sounds like a rshamn hpal shield

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whom is getting slammed by earth bolts

jagged pier
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but we dont even know what embellishments to take yet

tribal wharf
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im out of the loop on this, by this 80% you guys mean ones that have buff uptimes of essentially 100% for embellishments?

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havent run any delves, ran like, 2 zeros

graceful kite
tribal wharf
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oh ya, is there a site that lists all of them

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gunna check out the big list of em and go with one on the guide probably

sweet summit
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are there only two of those, crit and vers?

strong forum
ionic nimbus
remote tusk
vocal cave
tribal wharf
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blasphemous 2 is a game i need to get skill in

elfin fulcrum
true plaza
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we got it bois

trim condor
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I shouldnt care about head,chest,leg stats, becausee they will be set piece, right?

jagged pier
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i mean yes and no

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teir set is worth near nothing

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and u can just cata high pieces

trim condor
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I have low ilvl head and legs and thinking if I should find dungeeon with bis stats and farm it or just farm whateveer

sweet summit
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just farm ilvl for now

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when m+ opens you can eventually aim for ilvl and stats

trim condor
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alright ty :). I was deciding between pwar and druid (druid mainly for brez and versa buff), but man, pwar feels more fun and fluid and I love spell reflect

tender cove
jagged pier
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its worth 1.6% damage

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thats 4 piece

tender cove
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ohh

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wow, thats insanely low, isnt it?

jagged pier
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and 3% dr or somthing

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yep

tender cove
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are all 4sets like this or just us?

jagged pier
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🤷‍♂️

tender cove
jagged pier
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design choice

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they dont want tier set to be impactful

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they already said it

whole pawn
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If I get a 2h of higher lvl than my 1h, will I get cheaper upgrades for 1h and shield?

tender cove
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I could understand that pre catalyst but why be power scarce with tier now?

round pendant
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because they have no idea what they're doing this season

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s2 will be better

tender cove
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s1 hasnt even started and youre looking to s2, thats some strong copium haha

tribal wharf
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okay i killed the grim reaper

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back to wow

tender cove
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so we are all immortal irl now?

round pendant
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The Grim Reaper doesn't kill you

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you just don't go to the afterlife anymore

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thanks yogi

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ya fucked it

tribal wharf
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could just be giant evil skeleton

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same thing really

tender cove
round pendant
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I think there's a few different versions

tribal wharf
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this game is awsome btw, reminds me of feeling i get when playing diablo 2

tender cove
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This is so dope. Randomly got a mount from trading post that matches my transmog so well 😮

round pendant
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is that not the heroic/epic edition mount

tender cove
round pendant
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yeah that's from buying the expansion

tender cove
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nice 😄

night heron
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Hey, do we know if the spare meat hook trinket sims were already accounting for the tank damage reduction that just got fixed in-game by blizzard?

true plaza
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Man queen ansurek is so much fun

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I had a blast fighting her

tribal wharf
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heroic edition

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the epic is the hearthstone

true plaza
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Killed her normal today

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Tomorrow is heroic day

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Need to go out with friends so I cant just do heroic now hahaha

tribal wharf
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well, u get the mount with the epic, but i supsect many ppl order the heroic expansion and not epic

true plaza
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That trinket sounds amazing but sims say I should stick to meathook

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I got my bis weapon on normal I hope heroic is also so nice to me 🥺

inland raft
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What build do people use for colossus in dungeons?

rigid yew
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The worst part of early access is it's only going to get worse in the future. They better do some serious reflection or they could risk the integrity of the game.
One of the biggest aspects of WoW was everyone got to start (or at least had the opportunity) at the same time.
Now it seems like just buying the game isn't enough. You're not the same anymore. You didn't pay enough. You bought the "poor" edition so you can log in with your paid subscription but you're not allowed to access the new area because you didn't give Blizzard enough money.

warm plinth
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Sir, this is a Wendy's

keen glade
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This just in: a business is wanting money. More news at 11

tribal wharf
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uhhhhhhhh ill take a quarter pounder with cheese meal

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can you upsize the soda?

keen glade
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from wendys, gotta go with the baconator

warm plinth
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And don't sleep on the strawberry lemonade

grave vine
queen sentinel
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Pinned message is gone? is spark tuning done now?

rigid yew
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My brother bought it and he was on vacation anyways and we ended up playing together a few days after -poor people- launch date. He bought it for the mounts.
I think Blizzard made a mistake because I think the vast majority bought the extra editions for cosmetics or extra game time and not to get leveled up faster.

tribal wharf
#

ai art accidently drew mecha terminator taurens

#

i was trying to have it draw the terminator made of bacon, you know the baconator

jagged gust
tribal wharf
lofty warren
#

Will dracthyr be better than dwarf for pwar?

tribal wharf
#

i asked it to draw the baconator as a bacon monster, right is by far my favorite

robust urchin
tulip warren
#

quick question , are you all enjoying prot warrior as much as i do , running mythics feels so smooth 😅😅

jagged gust
#

it's a tough question to answer

lofty warren
#

Oh no I meant better as is the "bis" race

robust urchin
radiant nymph
#

For season 1 there aren't many things to dwarf racial

#

So the dragon kit probably has more value

lofty warren
#

Will their racial give more dps than 1% crit

radiant nymph
#

The DPS difference is going to be so miniscule it won't matter

jagged gust
#

move speed directly correlates to your uptime and thus DPS

radiant nymph
#

Do you want to remove debuffs that can kill you? Dwarf pill

Do you want to look like an ugly lizard? Dracthyr

jagged gust
#

Belf to be pretty, but you have to pay the dps tax

#

it's worth it tbh

robust urchin
#

Bis m+

radiant nymph
#

I'm not pushing top 1% anything so race choice is irrelevant

lofty warren
#

There is a con for the lizard spec - need more keybinds. But jt also gives more cx

jagged gust
robust urchin
#

What does it do now

jagged gust
#

it removes shields now

radiant nymph
#

They remove enemy buffs now haha

lofty warren
#

Tail whip and typhoon as racial and flying. Got damn

warm plinth
#

It's an aoe magic dispel

tribal wharf
#

it also boosts rage energy mana bars

robust urchin
#

Woah that sounds even better

warm plinth
#

It hasn't interrupted since what, bfa? lol

#

er

#

since legion

#

It was changed in bfa

jagged gust
#

5 years ago

robust urchin
#

All my characters are humans for Diplomacy

#

But now I just might race change to different shit just for the sake of it

radiant nymph
#

Just keep one for rep farming and your Warband still profits

tribal wharf
#

you go human because it lets you see stealhed mobs and get out of stun free

jagged gust
robust urchin
#

It's joever

radiant nymph
#

Rip

tribal wharf
#

stun is, regardless how it got there on you, once its on you, it might as well be game over for you

radiant nymph
#

Just go orc for big green muscles and purple mohawk

robust urchin
#

I'm not sure I thought about fem orc or male Tauren

#

Or draenei

jagged gust
#

blue dorf

robust urchin
#

Or dwarf too

#

Fucking love dorfs

lofty warren
#

Go female drainei and look at her sexy bum all day

tribal wharf
#

bull is too iconic for me to drop atm

robust urchin
jagged gust
radiant nymph
#

This is a much better way to decide race though fr

placid night
#

hey there

tribal wharf
#

would be high mountain if i have mining on warrior

placid night
#

guys Anyone HERE free Maybe ?

#

Free on Game i Mean

robust urchin
robust urchin
tribal wharf
#

HMT bull rush is very strong ability i find, incredibly useful, i have it on my bdk

jagged gust
placid night
#

Im Silanced On Game Sadly and i Cant Make A GRP or join For Any Doungen
If anyone Free And Want Do M0 I Glad to Helped Me

#

Just Need Some One Make A GRP For m0

tribal wharf
#

is like a short range dragon charge with stun

placid night
#

And Inv Me Atlast

#

I Really Need m0 Doungen

#

Im a Druid Tank

radiant nymph
#

Brother what gamer words did you call your last team?

warm plinth
tribal wharf
#

3 of the dungeons at the minimuim i out right dont want to play at all

#

that are in season 1

#

mists, ulda, and NW, slightly on siege

robust urchin
tribal wharf
#

i do not enjoy NW

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or mists

#

nop

robust urchin
#

What do you enjoy Yogi

tribal wharf
#

not that

#

you know what i dont hate?

#

i dont hate vests

solid sun
#

Season 1 m+ gonna be lit

robust urchin
#

Like clothing?

solid sun
#

Mark it

tribal wharf
#

did you ever play L4D?

solid sun
#

Yep

tribal wharf
#

well, the only thing francis DOESNT hate, is vests

#

and im implying i pretty much hate everything

solid sun
#

As long as you don’t hate yourself

tribal wharf
#

if i have to play mists, ya

robust urchin
solid sun
#

I’ll do extra mists and you can just take some of my completions

tribal wharf
#

got bonked a bunch in NW

#

dont like it any more

solid sun
#

I’ll do some extra of those also

trim condor
#

do we know which tanks are highest dmg in dungeeons now or we need to wait for m+?

robust urchin
#

Everything dies to fast

trim condor
#

I have groupss in 0 where this not apply, I mostly havee second place on details meter overall

#

but yeah, had once group with two roguees and it was instaa delete trash

robust urchin
trim condor
robust urchin
#

Boomie got big buffs

#

So keep inviting them next week

trim condor
#

thats next week already? I though its anniversary tunning

robust urchin
#

It's hot fixes for mythic week

trim condor
#

ah thats true

vague abyss
#

reading the patch notes, rip fury, but... they actually increased hero damage? so this is actually a Prot buff?

mellow quartz
#

if you searched this channel this has been talked about for 12+ hours

#

good tip, if you see patchnotes see when they were posted. they are talked about in here abt 5s afterwards

vague abyss
#

thanks, honestly i have been away from wow for a while and just stumbled on the notes

mellow quartz
#

then you can safely assume you were not the first

vague abyss
#

i see they removed the pinned message about the sparks, so what is usually recommended to use the sparks on?

mellow quartz
#

crafting section

warm plinth
#

Get superior linked on bish

mellow quartz
#

scrolling is hard

vague abyss
#

yeah, in fact is it hard in discord, but thanks for the info 😄
I already see that in the BiS list they are crafting Wrists and Belt so i guess thats what i should do for embellishments

robust urchin
vague abyss
#

but i guess fury will still be better than arms even with this adjustment. Not going to main it, just for a dps offspec when i cant tank for some reason

true plaza
#

In my opinion the best u can get

#

Rogues are also great

#

People often forget how much dps they do

#

Btw ret and dk (paladin in general) is just so good because battle ress has big time value

#

Resto shaman is the best healer hands down but I wouldnt be so picky ngl (dunno about monk healer they sometimes fck up so I dont invite them rn anymore)

#

Shaman and paladin just doing better in my opinion and my experience

trim condor
true plaza
#

Is also important

#

My 598 ret does 1.1 mil damage

trim condor
#

I have 580, enha had 575, retri and evoker 590

true plaza
#

Dk does almost 2 mil on big pulls

#

Arcane mage also good to go

true plaza
#

Its a really really simple rotation

trim condor
#

MW monk is super good as healer in m+, it just sucks they dont provide much (no brez, phys dmg is not that valuable, no bl)

true plaza
#

Tbh they always suck on my rund

#

I just avoid them for now

zenith monolith
#

Guys, anyone know why this item is red and locked for me?

trim condor
#

I was maining m+ in DF. Control is good, but I hated that group always waited for bl/brez

true plaza
#

Nah thats new for me

trim condor
true plaza
#

I also get a resto druid because motw is big

warm plinth
true plaza
#

But thats the problem

trim condor
#

yeah, I wanted to play guardian this patch because of motws and combat ress, but I cant stand jojo hp

true plaza
#

Tbh I did nerub today

trim condor
#

and biggesst dps hero taleents are big rng

true plaza
#

Guardian just sucks against magic

#

I had to save him so many times lol

#

I think the best tank for dps btw is blood dk

trim condor
#

yeah, they have insane healing and big cd, but I hate that jojo hp outside of cds

true plaza
#

They are really strong in general rn

robust urchin
#

Do more bountiful delves

trim condor
true plaza
#

True

zenith monolith
robust urchin
robust urchin
#

That's like at the very very end

#

Check the book on the table near bran

#

It's like maybe last or second last unlock

zenith monolith
#

ahh thanks dude

#

now it makes sense

robust urchin
#

This is more for like in 3 weeks or so

#

I dunno it looks like quite a grind

trim condor
#

is possible to solo delve 13 btw for achiv?

#

as prot war

warm plinth
#

gottem

median kiln
#

@theorycrafters why does crit pull ahead of vers when playing mountain thane compared to colossus?

robust urchin
#

I'm putting you on on the bad people list with Kanga

warm plinth
robust urchin
#

Yeah you think about that Mr Formerly known as Gash

median kiln
trim condor
#

its just me or storm shield sounds very weak? its like 400k magic absorb now? or it will bee mainly for push keys

warm plinth
#

What recommendation?

#

We've never said that crit or vers is better based on hero spec to my knowledge

woven perch
median kiln
robust urchin
#

Fungal folly is easy mode

trim condor
warm plinth
#

Short answer is probably because it simmed better, or that they just inadvertently reversed the two (since crit and vers are pretty much equal for damage).

robust urchin
median kiln
trim condor
warm plinth
#

I mean, crit provides a lot of survival in high keys

robust urchin
trim condor
#

Yeah zekvir

robust urchin
#

It's technically doable if you manage to have brann kill the cocoons

#

But otherwise nah

median kiln
trim condor
#

Brann is tickling now unfornatelly

robust urchin
#

Try to get him to max level and use arrowhead and stuff

#

You can tank zekvir by himself just fine

#

It's the adds that destroy me

woven perch
#

yeah i'm having no issues with zekvir

#

im having issues killing the eggs fast enough

robust urchin
#

If he's too far away you can't dodge his cone without leap

trim condor
warm plinth
robust urchin
tribal wharf
#

why are his adds a problem still aint run delves, swear i will some poiint

robust urchin
woven perch
#

in the hardmode, if you dont kill them as eggs the adds heal to full hp and stun you for 5 seconds

robust urchin
#

Can't reflect or spell block it too

#

It's just game over

woven perch
#

stuns brann, stuns you

#

just an aoe stun

plush path
#

yo

robust urchin
#

Bran can easily kill them with focus fire and aimed shot but he never does

plush path
#

which list is more credible

robust urchin
#

If only you could tell him what to attack it would be easy

mellow quartz
woven perch
#

and meathook nerfed tuesday

#

for tanks anyway

robust urchin
#

Frankly I think a hunter should be able to do zekvir just fine

plush path
woven perch
granite pond
#

I think I might have set a record for bad luck in delves…and I’ve done far more than 50, the achievement just stops tracking it at 50

plush path
#

do i put haste crit onto crafted gear?

#

im mountain thane

woven perch
#

i've only gotten 1 hidden trove 🙂

true plaza
#

Haste crit or haste versatility

#

U can go both

grizzled nova
robust urchin
#

How the hell did you get 50 keys

true plaza
granite pond
#

Alts. An army of alts.

grizzled nova
#

oh it tracks warband wide

true plaza
#

Bro u need an army of grass

#

Touch it

robust urchin
granite pond
#

I do. I also work from home…bad combo

true plaza
#

Hahahah

#

All good ma man

#

The game is good

trim condor
#

Yeah working from home is fun, meetings in thé morning+ work and wow after lunch

latent tusk
#

might be a super dumb question or maybe its just rng, anyone know why sometimes i execute for like 1.6 mil and other times its way less

granite pond
#

Delves are excellent content for work meetings. No timer, can afk as needed

trim condor
#
  • bastion spear is 25% crit dmg
latent tusk
#

thx lol the difference in dmg is crazy, 100k sometimes vs 1.6 milli lol

graceful kite
raven hemlock
#

guys meat hook still bis?

#

heard its tuned for tank specs

graceful kite
median kiln
median kiln
graceful kite
#

You stack haste after that you sim for dps

median kiln
true plaza
#

Haste crit haste versatility

median kiln
#

What was the haste breakpoint for itf?

true plaza
#

Both great

#

Thats basically it lmao

graceful kite
#

having some mastery is good because crit block and you have spell block, crit gives you parry

warm plinth
true plaza
#

Guys do u feel sometimes immortal

#

I literally die so late even when everyone is desd

#

Dead

robust urchin
true plaza
#

Bro I talked about ur warrior not u old sweaty balding man

#

Im joking bte

#

Btw

robust urchin
robust urchin
#

Ur going on my bad people list too

true plaza
warm plinth
#

Can I ask though

#

When does balding just turn into bald? Like do you have to be completely without hair or

true plaza
#

Balding is losing ur hair

robust urchin
#

Bald is bald when you have no hair

true plaza
#

And bald is u got no hair

#

Its that simple

warm plinth
#

Right but

robust urchin
#

Just shave it off when you start balding

warm plinth
#

People don't really go 100% bald

robust urchin
#

Accept it

robust urchin
warm plinth
#

Like male pattern baldness leaves you with the danny devito style 99% of the time

true plaza
#

My father has no hair bro

plush path
#

diff craft item diff ring

pine lotus
#

Think warrior will be the meta tank this season?

true plaza
#

We get so massive damage buffs

#

Im impressed

#

But feels good I had the feeling druid tank does more damage than us

robust urchin
true plaza
#

Tbh I think we are but blood dk and VDH are also insaneeee

#

Btw VDH are toxic

#

Change my mind

#

Never saw a nice VDH

graceful kite
#

They're literally fel corrupted

#

next thing you tell me dks are undead

robust urchin
toxic pewter
#

“Nice guys finish last” -Illidan Stormrage

true plaza
#

U are not preparee

#

Prepared

#

But DK‘s are nice dudes

#

Monks and DH are most of the time toxic NO JOKE

graceful kite
#

meta comp tank will prob be druid for mark

#

tanks aren't dying in high keys anymore really (sorry paladins)

true plaza
#

So the women choosing the bear instead of men was true after all

#

Sigh…

toxic pewter
#

Yeah, I’m not gonna lie. Monks often seem very upset in my experience

true plaza
#

Bro my monk was shitting on my healer priest who was new to the game I was like relax man this is a video game everyone learns

toxic pewter
#

Yeah the only reason there are any demon hunters at all is because illidan got cucked by his brother malfurion

#

The original bear meta

true plaza
#

Why is every girl simping for turalyon tho he is a bitch

toxic pewter
#

Yeh true we need to off that dude

#

He simp for the light too much

true plaza
#

Bro got stopped by illidan with his bare hands

toxic pewter
#

One of the best cutscenes in wow history

#

Maybe the best my god

true plaza
#

Bro is a old human warrior he is basically saurfang but less cool

#

Wait is turalyon even a warrior

#

Or is he a paladin

#

I dont even know hahaha

toxic pewter
#

Paladin

#

That why everyone hate him

true plaza
#

Wait he was a priest

#

Bro are u serious

#

I just saw that on google

#

He was a priest bro

#

He was healing uther bro no wonder he is such a bitch

toxic pewter
#

yeh no one likes him

robust urchin
#

They were trained in martial warfare and became paladins

true plaza
#

They should have stayed priests bro

#

We would have more healers that way

warm plinth
vocal nimbus
#

what prio has the free execute when playing the execute raid build?

#

i guess the same as a free revenge right?

tribal wharf
#

hey is nim here

graceful kite
#

I actually quit playing priest after that cinematic for a couple of years

stiff peak
#

Why they have to nerf my meathook

tribal wharf
#

ara kara zero is total joke for me now

#

we ran that shit in like 20 minutes

true plaza
#

man I got blessed by delve today

#

thats some nice stats

#

need some versatility soon tho

#

not lucky with that

tribal wharf
#

im not sure why, but the paladin in our arakara 0 kept hard spamming freedoms on me like on CD basically entire dungeon

#

i saw it go off at least 4 times

warm plinth
#

Might have unbound freedom which gives you a speed boost

#

I think

tribal wharf
#

thats what i thought too, one was at the bridge when i go right

warm plinth
#

Yeah 30%

tribal wharf
#

this dude was doing it like constantly on me

true plaza
#

he likes u bro

#

my bear likes me too

#

I know store mount but guys cmon transmog on a bear

#

blizzard got me

coarse sparrow
#

this is really good right?

flat bramble
#

hey guys, do we have a updated weak aura (for m+ too) for Spell Reflect ?

jagged pier
robust urchin
coarse sparrow
#

Ooo lmaoo I didn’t even see that

mellow quartz
#

tak-rethan abyss shows as a bountiful delve to me on the map but when I walk to it its not bountiful wtf

mighty valley
#

Stamina is whatever but no secondaries makes it ehhhhh

coarse sparrow
#

So strictly an ilvl booster to get me invited to things faster

tender cove
#

i need to farm ara kara or pointless until next week since its "only" m0?

mighty valley
#

You’ll obv be able to get better versions of everything next week

#

But it’s good to learn what the bosses do right

robust urchin
proper roost
robust urchin
#

And you suck

proper roost
sullen mango
#

do you ever push revenge as mountain thane or only ignore pain

analog sparrow
#

Revenge

#

So many revenges

proper roost
harsh ermine
#

is there a vendor where I can upgrade crests? I have no use for my weather crests anymore:)

proper roost
violet ginkgo
harsh ermine
vague abyss
#

i read that the sac trinket is going to be nerfed, but now this... Spare Meat Hook will still be worth to use?

tribal wharf
#

dawnbreaker isnt so hard either (havent run it a second time)

proper roost
#

Sac already got nerfed

violet ginkgo
robust urchin
harsh ermine
#

it only sells the downgrades i think

vague abyss
violet ginkgo
#

vaskarn usually does that at DF

proper roost
proper roost
violet ginkgo
robust urchin
proper roost
mellow quartz
proper roost
#

You will naturally have useless crests on the lower tiers

#

thats how the system works

tribal wharf
harsh ermine
tribal wharf
#

this one has pizza for some reason and uh, mexico ? flag? not sure

robust urchin
harsh ermine
#

yep

robust urchin
harsh ermine
#

only if they were really useless though

mellow quartz
#

End of expansion stuff, not s1

tribal wharf
#

the froot roll up can roll u up like a joint and smoke u

#

u get caught in the wave and taken awy

runic apex
#

with craft we need make on war protection ?

robust urchin
runic apex
#

vambraces ?

mellow quartz
tribal wharf
#

well ya, but my dps at least in heroics were just swiming in it

proper roost
#

the upgrade crest did not exist til like s4 i think

tribal wharf
#

that entire mechanic is a bit jebait-ish

proper roost
#

it def did not exist ever in s2/3 on purpose

#

we wont get bullion either dk what to tell ya

tribal wharf
#

DF it was s3 cuz i did it all the time upgrading crests

robust urchin
tribal wharf
#

and i quit in s4

#

u did it at the tree of life

mellow quartz
#

S4 is not ‘real’ don’t expect anything you only saw there to be in S1

tribal wharf
#

s4 SL was l it

mellow quartz
#

If you played bdk lock or hunter

tribal wharf
#

i had some fun despite it being legion keys i literally never ran ever

#

that caused alot of grief to me

fossil dragon
#

You can, sorry if answered already

#

all the tradeups are locked behind achievements

proper roost
#

Croggers outgrowing

robust urchin
#

It's joever

subtle rampart
#

kanga from fight club?

fossil dragon
#

Also, is 606 Quickwick Candlestick better than a 606 meat hook? After the nerfs i'm curious. Couldn't sim it properly, as i have not yet dropped the hook and i'm guessing candlestick is in low A tier because it's locked at Hero track

subtle rampart
#

not better until u upgrade the candle

fossil dragon
#

So back to necrotic wake i go

subtle rampart
#

my source? trust me bro

neon elk
#

I doubt meathook will be there at the top after nerfs , 50% is huge

fossil dragon
#

And 6k haste for 20s is not bad

neon elk
#

Like , sim them now, compare dps , then substract 50% of meathook to see at least rough number

fossil dragon
#

I can't, don't have meat hook unless i'm really dumb and there is a way to sim items you don't have

vague abyss
#

yeah i wont bother with meat hook if the nerf is that big

neon elk
#

Yea there is a way to sim items u dont have

fossil dragon
#

on raidbots?

neon elk
#

Yap

#

Gimme sec

fossil dragon
#

I'll look into it

#

I think i found it

robust urchin
neon elk
#

I think its under topgear

odd spade
#

what is best emble for m+ ?

fossil dragon
#

I'm running the sim, will see if it works the way i think

tribal wharf
#

some people here were discussing some embellishments when you are above 80% hp but i dunno niether about craft

#

its like, i will craft some item for my self anyways

fossil dragon
#

Yeah, it seems like meathook is still the way, it simmed with 10k dps upgrade, even after the nerfs it proppably is above candle, but maybe something else will outshine it

neon elk
#

It also depends what kind of sims u use

fossil dragon
#

Standard

neon elk
#

More like targets and time what content u runing

fossil dragon
#

Yy, i know, standard st 5min

vague abyss
#

I think the actual standard sim is 5 patchworks, 1.5 min fight

#

at least for us i think

fossil dragon
#

Maybe i changed something years ago and was going with that ever since

neon elk
#

Depends if u siming raid or m+

vague abyss
#

oh, raid damage can be w/e for me xD

fossil dragon
#

I'm not a sim enthusiast i just do this

#

I'm in no way good enough to do optimal sims, since my skills are not optimal

vague abyss
jagged pier
#

1.5 mins tell u nothing

#

3 or 5 mins

#

depending if its raid or m+

fossil dragon
#

Now i changed to 1:30, i ran it at 5 min

vague abyss
neon elk
#

Also do some aoe sim, i believe meathook will be weaker on aoe compared to candle , especialy after nerf

fossil dragon
#

And the results for aoe is hook 472 dmg ahead of candle, so after the nerfs candle wins

vague abyss
#

for now my trinkets are a 606 skar shard and a 606 candle

#

no luck with either egg nor hook

fossil dragon
#

Same

#

I got 7 people i ran dungs with drop the egg

#

So today we run it for me

#

50% chance

#

And i didn't see hook drop once yet

jagged pier
fossil dragon
#

Also is that good or what?

jagged pier
#

and we only really care about ST anyways as our aoe is fine

fossil dragon
#

That seems like a long time use, i don't mythic raid so it looks great i think

neon elk
#

Yea its high ilvl wepon ofc its good. And wheter or not u raid* thats like 3rd highest ilvl possible overal

mellow quartz
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when you get to a +10 a lot of bosses will be 3-4min due to Tyr on every key even with the nerfed hp

elder copper
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Hi guys, what should I craft, which Embelish? I can't seem to figure it out on Wowhead?

tender cove
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any good?

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guessing not so much because the crit?

mellow quartz
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pretty shit, but sim it

chrome falcon
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Huh am i stupid or is it a new feature that outburst won't spend if your TC doesn't hit anything

surreal thunder
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Any defensive tank trinket recommendations NOT from raid?

mellow quartz
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They all suck

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Find a trinket with strength and a secondary stat proc or the other way around

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Like the Ara Kara first boss one

surreal thunder
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You think the ara kara trinket will still be worth using once the tuning comes on Tuesday?

mellow quartz
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The tuning is nothing

vague abyss
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i kinda hate this trinket but this is the best simming trinket i have on me, egg and hook avoided me today too 😦

surreal thunder
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What's your thoughts on meat hook once tuning hits?

violet ginkgo
vague abyss
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i fee like i need a separate weakauras because i kinda forget to use it again and i stun myself more than i should xD

south zealot
vocal nimbus
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Yo, is there still a cap for talent loadouts as in df or is that gone?

drifting wigeon
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Hi guys, I'm new to wow tanking and I would like to learn it well, I've been looking at some guides on wowhead and stuff, but they don't go as far as giving tips on where to move the boss or how to sync up with the other tank. Do you know of any guide/page that is reliable and gives good advice?

south zealot
vocal nimbus
violet ginkgo
south zealot
drifting wigeon
violet ginkgo
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but please even if you have DBM/Bigwig try to see the actual mech for tank swap, who knows sometimes dbm got problem or anything 🙂

livid meadow
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hey ! just came back from work , do you know if we can do all the TWW m0 + s1 in m0 ?

mellow quartz
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You can’t

violet ginkgo
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no no, the M0 are the 8 dungeons active for the season

strong forum
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Same goes for heroic

tribal wharf
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some of the zeros have mechanics that really slap

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if you dont do it right

unreal lily
livid meadow
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aight ty !!

marsh aurora
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Hi guys!

I got a question about reflect on silken court, mostly for poison bolt, why do i only get one or two that do damage back to boss per fight when i reflect a lot more? Is there a cd on dmg to boss or something?