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neon elk
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sponging dmg is one thing, we met that telo guy and he was one shoting us no matter what xd

molten gorge
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rofl, maybe we avoided the really bad mobs ig

robust urchin
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Some delves are also just bad

molten gorge
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we did pick up some buffs tbf as we went (like the boons or whatever)

robust urchin
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5 mobs non stop casting web bolts for 2.5mil each

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Lmao 🤣

molten gorge
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Ya, the web bolt is mad

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have to interrupt, reflect stun etc

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or you def die

robust urchin
vague abyss
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i used to yolo solo delve t8, heck i remember in underkeep i literally carried my team of 5 because those idiots died of frontals, then i took 10 minutes killing a single elite/boss of thoses

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now a random mob does 15 millon hits, damn blizzard overtuned it way too much

molten gorge
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"Just log off reddit and you'll enjoy it bro" - Jakey 2024

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🤷‍♂️

robust urchin
molten gorge
robust urchin
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"It's supposed to be solo content that's why you can enter it with a group!"

molten gorge
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even tho is says 600+ ilvl

vague abyss
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probably because people abused the scaling of two, that it was significally easier to go with a tank and dps

vague abyss
molten gorge
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🙂

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I legit thought it was meant to be some stupid side content for the casual andies ngl

robust urchin
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"it's supposed to be solo endgame content that's why it's mostly just normal raid ilvl!"

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It is

molten gorge
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now you actually need to play the game to clear

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which is fine

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but a weird change imo

robust urchin
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Delves as endgame content is just not worth the sub

vague abyss
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is meant to be a side content, it just happens taht this week is basically best ilvl

molten gorge
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the forums are all people raging on the blue post

robust urchin
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I absolutely can't imagine that the casual andies like these changes

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No way they are enjoying it more then it used to be

vague abyss
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unless you are in a very good guild whos clearing heroic already, the best you can get for now is veteran gear from m0 and normal raid, or some chapion gear from t8

robust urchin
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You can get lucky and get hero gear from delves

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From a map

vague abyss
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oh no, they decided to give me 6 useless trinkets

robust urchin
vague abyss
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worse when you have to go arms because you are not the raid tank in your guild... yet

robust urchin
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I have yet to see a haste/mastery delve item

robust urchin
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It's fury or prot season

vague abyss
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really? i mean i can fury too, is just that arms is what im used to

robust urchin
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It's like a good chunk of difference between them

vague abyss
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all right, i guess ill set my fury UI then

robust urchin
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Slayer just feels better on fury

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I mean by all means check logs to see it but generally fury is just better right now

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So much that everyone is crying about it and demanding nerfs

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one warrior spec not b tier for once
Everyone cries about it

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You hate to see it

vague abyss
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some people are also saying prot warrior is doing too much damage too, apparently

robust urchin
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Prot is really good

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But only as thane

vague abyss
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yah i like thane, i started tanking this season and damn do i like tanking

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ill wait if i start hating it later when m+ starts though

robust urchin
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tfw guild decided to go with a different tank because raid leader is already a prot warrior

vague abyss
robust urchin
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Nah it's fine I'll just wait until the second tank gives up

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He already sounded frustrated yesterday

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Apparently it's his first time tanking at all

vague abyss
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im also playing the wait up game, the second tank have... ill say, commitment problems, but im also recently new in this guild, so ill guess i will just earn the rep into it

robust urchin
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Like if you already have the dot on you?

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Probably not

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Because the spell is already on you

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But I'm not sure

vague abyss
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yeah, talking about spell block, does the spell reflect weakauras only shows reflectable spells? im trying to memorize that google doc to know what to spell block

sweet summit
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in the notes it says initial hit blockable, dot is not

robust urchin
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It literally says at silken Court initial hit is block able dot is not

sweet summit
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assume dots are not blockable unless specified

robust urchin
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warriorbrain I dunno main if it ain't working for that one I don't see why it should work for other dots

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Just tag nom

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I'm sure he knows

trim condor
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I thought leech was nerfed across the board and I just logged on my dh crafter and I see havoc and VDH both have 10% leech and 20% in meta lol

round pendant
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"Fixed a bug causing bosses to scale incorrectly with more players."

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would you look at that

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I was right

robust urchin
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"Fixed a bug letting people enjoy content together"

round pendant
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lol

round pendant
robust urchin
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He's also guildmaster

round pendant
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Get outta there

molten gorge
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it's Fumble

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GM, Tank, Raid Leader

robust urchin
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Nah he's alright

robust urchin
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It would be so fun

toxic pewter
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Every raid leader I have ever met or heard about has absolute zero clue how prot warrior works

waxen frigate
toxic pewter
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Especially the ones that tank themselves

waxen frigate
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99% of the playerbase still think tanking is like it was in wotlk

toxic pewter
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Yeah that makes sense

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You are a fast typist jfc

waxen frigate
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I’m on my phone too

toxic pewter
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Gotta go fast

waxen frigate
toxic pewter
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XD

trim condor
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guys, anybody did delves today?
this is first pull in delve, with shield wall up

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13 sec

mellow quartz
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Group or solo?

trim condor
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solo

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dread pit

mellow quartz
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If it’s 13s then assume you were hit by 1 or 2 large abilities?

trim condor
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I was steamrolling theem yesterday and today I cant kill first pack

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nope, melees and spells

mellow quartz
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🤷‍♂️

trim condor
mellow quartz
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So kick, stop and reflect

trim condor
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😄

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yeah ty, how to do that with 5 casters? :

mellow quartz
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Pull less?

waxen frigate
trim condor
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this was with spell block up

little marsh
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jump far and line them, recovering HP with second wind too

trim condor
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you cant pull less

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they are together

mellow quartz
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Don’t recall any pull you are forced to pull 5 casters but maybe

trim condor
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its big anubarak and 5 casters around him

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I meean big bug, but anubarak character

robust urchin
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Just heroic throw one of them
Run away
And let DPS bran solo them

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That's how you're supposed to do delves

graceful kite
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shadowmeld is so good in delves its unreal

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charge bloated pack shockwave save cocooned guy leap meld

trim condor
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I left and entered again and its doable now

graceful kite
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mechanics dealt with

robust urchin
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You are supposed to sit through them and be miserable

marble cipher
graceful kite
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I had a lot of fun

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those 2 named humanoid that spawn everythere today suck so much

robust urchin
graceful kite
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but you can just meld them lol

waxen frigate
graceful kite
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I had fun in every delve I completed it's like I've cheated the system

robust urchin
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Delves are supposed to be hardcore progression endgame content

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You are not allowed to have a good time

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Your fun will be fixed

lean void
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Just finished. You weren't wrong either lmao

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that was a clusterfuck but I taunted when it told me to. That was it really lol it at the very least let me see the bosses so I'm not going in blind on normal when I get to it

robust urchin
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Where my Stormforged role

sweet summit
robust urchin
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I'll just be the underground sage advice giver then

graceful kite
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Its true for 95% raid tanking encounters even in mythic

robust urchin
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You gonna make him quit

graceful kite
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If you want to get loot while the hardest thing is staying awake tanking is good

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I fell asleep on Aggramar prog actually, rl had to call the raid

robust urchin
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Was that English?

trim condor
robust urchin
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POV: Your healer is a paladin

olive wolf
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is this item in 603 is good ?

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replacing this one

robust urchin
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Is a higher ilvl of the same item better?

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I dunno maybe

olive wolf
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both in 603

robust urchin
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You posted the same item

sweet summit
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that's just the same image twice

robust urchin
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What is your question

sweet summit
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and the answer is most likely sim it

robust urchin
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Not everyone knows how to sim

sweet summit
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well, lucky them i have a copypasta for that

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sec

olive wolf
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yes sry, nvm ^^

sweet summit
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can't find it ggykw

thorny stone
thorny stone
robust urchin
thorny stone
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593

robust urchin
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I never tried them solo as a tank gonna give it a go today I guess

tribal wharf
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that blasphemous 2 game is way harder than i first anticipated

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kicked the shit out of me

solid sun
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How was silken court on heroic?

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For any of you who have done it already

waxen frigate
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In terms of difficulty

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(On heroic)

solid sun
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Gotcha

waxen frigate
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Last boss is definitely a step up

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But it also hasn’t been entirely figured out yet

solid sun
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I mostly just have a small group and pug the raid so my raiding experience in normal thus far has been standing around watching people fail the web wall mechanic on silken

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And I noticed the tall boss just machineguns out spells the whole time so I was wondering if that has been trucking folks while they watch everyone else run around like crazy people

waxen frigate
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Yeah court is an absolute pug shredder

waxen frigate
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But there’s a lot of healing to do

solid sun
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Well by folks I mean the two tanks

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But yeah

waxen frigate
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My perception so far is that

waxen frigate
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First 6 normal are free, last 2 are pug killers
First 4 heroic are free, idk how pugs kill Bloodtwister

solid sun
robust urchin
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Oh yeah silken Court just sucks

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Ansurek on normal is way easier then court

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Maybe because court kills fps for so many I dunno

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it's another web people fucked up episode

solid sun
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It’s just the web thing mostly so far. Most of the people who try to catch the charge in the web mess it up

novel comet
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What’s the go-to resource for raid tank guide videos? Like easily digestible for my ADD brain.

waxen frigate
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There’s lots of options

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Dratnos, Tactyks, RCP come to mind

novel comet
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Those all on YouTube?

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I don’t really fuck with twitch

rotund moon
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When do we Whirlwind in dungeons? if ever? never in raid right? thanks

waxen frigate
waxen frigate
round pendant
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holy moly frost dk dps variance on short fights critcake

rotund moon
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thanks!

graceful kite
robust urchin
vestal cove
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Anyone tried the T8 delves since hotfix? I’m at work and planned on doing all my delves this weekend to fill out bits I didn’t get from raid (hopefully). Are we better solo or in a group?

waxen frigate
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I’ve heard basically nothing good about the changes

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So I’d stand by and see if it gets rolled back

vestal cove
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Yes I’m thinking I may just hit up normal raid on Alt and wait for the next doin of changes. No rush using my keys

waxen frigate
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Can also just do dungeons

toxic pewter
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i just solo'd a 9 fungal folly so an 8 should be fine. 10 i encountered some mini boss mobs that hurt me bad

restive cypress
ancient reef
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you doing them as prot

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or dps

waxen frigate
toxic pewter
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yes prot with brann as dps

ancient reef
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is it faster than a group

toxic pewter
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i have heard 2 people may be better still

ancient reef
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people are stupid so solo would be nice

restive cypress
timid jasper
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Yo am I a bad person if I just let people fight mobs by themselves if they want to keep pulling them before I can

waxen frigate
timid jasper
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I get votekicked for but I think it’s worth it tbh

south zealot
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its annoying but just play the dungeon

ancient reef
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i got a feeling theres some cool tmogs in there

lusty grotto
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its not worth

ancient reef
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i got this cool helm

lusty grotto
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dont be that guy

vestal cove
restive cypress
solid cargo
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I like it when people pull stuff for me.

Less work on my end

"Thank you Hunter for bringing me more blood for the blood god"

ancient reef
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reminds me of visions

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cause u get loot

restive cypress
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tbh Fungal Folly is pretty easy if you get good mobspawn RNG, can just drag the spores to the packs, shockwave them = profit

ancient reef
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i liked doing the 5 mask runs

toxic pewter
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anyone in my group that pulls is the tank for that mob(s)

restive cypress
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did the Immortal achievement on Fungal and it was a breeze

south zealot
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on the brightside, delves are not even close to mandatory contebt

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like visions or torghast were

toxic pewter
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they def are to make a sweet derigible

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😄

south zealot
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if you dont like delves just dont do them

ancient reef
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i say more like visions cause the token required

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or key or whatever is not infinite

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is there a catchup mechanic for alts

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like if im behind can i get keys up to cap

lusty grotto
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not that i know of

timid jasper
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How do you guys like collosus so far

lusty grotto
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the closest thing to a catch up is buying keys with undercoins

ancient reef
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prob only push delves another week on main

solid cargo
ancient reef
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once ur 600+

toxic pewter
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the catchup mechanic is that when you kill bosses theres a chance for them to drop wue loot for alts such as this trinket i got from normal raid

ancient reef
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not sure its worth it

solid cargo
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Not as good as Thane

waxen frigate
ancient reef
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they need to buff demo

lusty grotto
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stop saying demo

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demo = demo shout

ancient reef
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they neede to buff big smashy

restive cypress
ancient reef
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thane reminds me of a worse azerite clap spec

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from bfa

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should let col weild a 2h sword 1h like fury

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that be different

lusty grotto
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the only trait we used with TC was DC

restive cypress
lusty grotto
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and it was just demo cdr

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demo as in demoralizing shout NOT DEMOLISH

trim condor
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not sure what I do wrong on guardian druid, but I tried tirne scithe +0 on both with same ilvl an I have bigger dps on pwar and my hp ddidnt go undeer 80% hp on pwar and on druid, I had redscreen whole time

ancient reef
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prots a spec thats enjoyable to listen to the game sounds

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smashing things and yelling

lusty grotto
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psa dont be a funky calling demolish demo

lusty summit
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Guys, all of you are playing with battle Stance right? ...Just in Case you got big dmg hits you swap into defense ?

south zealot
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yes

lusty summit
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Ty 🙂

lusty grotto
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correct

south zealot
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its better to learn how to tank in battle stance so when you do use defensive stance youre unkillable

lusty summit
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Yeah thats my thought why i ask

restive cypress
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defensive stance is for weaklings

lusty summit
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But realy thank you for your answer 🙂

tribal wharf
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i motion that we start to call it lish

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cuz the final hit is deli-lish

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like 2m i mean, seriously though

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youd have to like, rename it DEMO for like the demolish caps cuz its ability, deals dmg, and demo for demoshout, or DS, im prety sure we dont have any DS abbreviations.

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that or demol

lusty grotto
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its not up for discussion lol

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its just a funky thing

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aka trolling

lime mantle
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DeathStrike from bad warrior (BDK) (I am bad at BDK).
Demol sounds like a medical formula of some sort.

Also what is the current difference between colossus and thunderthane?

lusty grotto
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demo is demo shout, plain and simple, it has been so for years

slate kestrel
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my bad luck is kind of annoying.... i did not get a single piece with haste from bountiful delves/maps 🙄

round pendant
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I vote we change demo shout to "shout" to make things even more confusing

tribal wharf
tribal wharf
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this is why you think its a drug lmao

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well, the issue with shout, is there is many types of shout

lusty grotto
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yes, yam was being sarcastic

tribal wharf
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many exclusive to warrior, int, battle, beserker

lime mantle
lusty grotto
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Nomeratur writes it

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and Mwahi writes Icyveins

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so either is fine

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they are the mods here

tribal wharf
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they should rename a barber to dimoxinil imo lol

lime mantle
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No idea who is either, I assume they are good players™️
So far been reading up on icyveins

tribal wharf
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probably nobody ever get the reference if they did

lusty grotto
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moderators/admins/etc

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see pins and faq

lime mantle
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(I checked pins but saw nothing so I asked)

lusty grotto
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his name is there

lime mantle
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Guide wise I mean

round pendant
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I wish other class discords were as chill and had a nome/mwahi in them

lusty grotto
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that should tell you enough

south zealot
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delves are piss easy

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ppl saying they are (still?) too hard are wrong

lusty grotto
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and again, its both Mwahi and Nome doing the pins and writing on the FAQ, in case you dont trust it

tribal wharf
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damn i didnt know u can socket a belt

lime mantle
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Oh. I am v. unsmart, I saw the different icon and thought that was a voice channel

terse island
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is it worth crafting with omens yet or should we still wait ?

south zealot
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
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"he's done the numbers" is the BAZINGA bbt laugh track joke i have about nome

lusty grotto
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i knew it was gonna happen the instant someone said "delves are harder in group now" and yet the only change was more health and LESS damage

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lets read that again

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less damage

south zealot
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ppl complaining about waterworks

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did the whole thing with no defensives u can justr afk it

tribal wharf
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it seems like new wow is skill issue firstly problems

south zealot
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besides reflect

lusty grotto
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lets re-read this again lmao

tribal wharf
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if dumb and stand in 3 yellow swirlies, die in 3.5 seconds to 8 m dmg webs

lusty grotto
zenith hedge
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is it easy going delves solo as prot warr?

lusty grotto
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and yet they are harder in groups lmaoooo

inland raft
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I have to press buttons its infair

south zealot
tribal wharf
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i've heard part of it is there is a good chance that a raid boss just enters the fight and hulk capt america gif

zenith hedge
lusty grotto
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yes

tribal wharf
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but he gives loot if you kill him

lusty grotto
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hes the delves "butcher"

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he gives loot regardless

tribal wharf
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so, pretty much the butcher from d1/2 but for delves?

lusty grotto
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you can die and still get it

tulip oar
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What's an ilvl that would be trusted to tank M0?

lusty grotto
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yes

tribal wharf
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dammit, butcher op

lime mantle
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What do you lose for dying?

tribal wharf
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its all fun and games until butcher shows up with cleaver wildin out

south zealot
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u dont take damage

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unless ur overpulling massively

lusty grotto
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im doing fine on alts

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you can easily get beyond that with renown gear and world quest stuff

tulip oar
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Sweet, I'm 570 now. Been awhile since, but prot feels a lot better than it was in DF.

lusty grotto
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weird

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cause thane is exactly the same

tribal wharf
terse island
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is it okay to craft using omen now or is it better to wait ?

lusty grotto
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and there was nothing particularly wrong with us in DF

tribal wharf
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cuz i wasnt paying attention to the swirls i got deleted in this clip

tulip oar
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I had to solo a couple bosses in heroic from 50% or so. Randos kinda fell over from the aoe pulses.

south zealot
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rip i didnt get big boi

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in fungal

lusty grotto
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i havent gotte him on alts at all

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he just showed up once for my warrior, on wednesday too

tulip oar
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Question on delves. Should I repeat one to get to t8 or just do whatever?

south zealot
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my first time in the delve i got him

tribal wharf
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ive heard its only past a certain tier he is high % to spawn

tulip oar
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Saving bountiful ones for higher tier.

tribal wharf
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there must be some logic that dictates when he spawns in warps in

graceful kite
tribal wharf
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final boss arakara is total EZ PZ if group is brain havers

graceful kite
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Summon earth ele it dies instantly and I get 2m melees right after

tribal wharf
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its a bit dummy proof, but its not a hard learning curve at all

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2nd boss was a complete push over, completely clear what to do and where to stand

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i miss BFA earth ele when it was actually worth a shit to use

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earth boi finish more bfa bosses than i can ever count

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only 2nd place to dk grab arms, bis wow dungeon tool

graceful kite
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wasnt shadowlands earth ele doing insane dps?

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rsham was popping off with it

long stone
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Feel sorry for the guys who didnt do the 2x4 delves t8 Till now - heard vault can drop set pieces at 616 ?

lusty grotto
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does that answer your question?

tribal wharf
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not really

lusty grotto
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i wasnt talking to you yogi

tribal wharf
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havent done many delve

long stone
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Not really

tribal wharf
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i said i would get to delves this weekend, now, will that actually happen? i dunno

lusty grotto
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nothing really

long stone
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Because you don’t answer if set piece can drop there :3

lusty grotto
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you didnt ask that

plush tendon
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curious if any of yall have tanked Queen Ans on Heroic as Prot war

lusty grotto
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nobody knows if tier drops, its likely though

plush tendon
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fight is spicey

tribal wharf
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hell no, i went as fury dps on lfr and thats it for new raid so far

long stone
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„..heard vault can drop set pieces at 616?“ :3

lusty grotto
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oh i missed that

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shrug

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does it matter? the catalyst exists

long stone
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Sure !

tribal wharf
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well wait, nobody knows if it can drop tier press x to doubt

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wowhead if we can locate what the chest is called

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it should show what has been looted out of it

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or comment

lusty grotto
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im gonna say im 90% sure it can drop

long stone
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Maybe there was a News and i missed it - thats Why i asked - we sure don’t know the loottable from delves / vault of it too

lusty grotto
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but tier through anything but raids is heavily RNG

tribal wharf
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i havent done enough delves so i wouldnt even know what to search

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oh, i got lfr tier gloves as well,

molten gorge
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Would be very weird if it could drop no? The system used to be it drops things on the loot table for whatever it is, did that change?

shut summit
molten gorge
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(I'm talking like a long time ago, it worked that way)

lusty grotto
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yes cause m+ has dropped tier since s2

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in the vault

molten gorge
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Aight fair

shut summit
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tank wise at least it isn't that bad, fight is over the top compared to rest of the instance

molten gorge
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Then ya makes sense for it to drop tier

lusty grotto
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im doing queen tonight cant wait for double nips

tribal wharf
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tier in the vault, is like i dunno, 10% chance, and weekly

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so i wouldnt bank on it, but something someone might get

lusty grotto
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yeah its heavily RNG

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RNGd

plush tendon
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we figured out p1

wooden widget
plush tendon
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but took some time

tribal wharf
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DB or sanlayn?

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(i laready know answer sadge)

plush tendon
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honestly, first raid fight in awhile I actually feel something

lusty grotto
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lol

plush tendon
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nothing in DF hit as hard

tribal wharf
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bdk is insanely busted tank spec in a raid given the right conditions

solid sun
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Imagine not being hard stuck watching people fail the webs on court

tribal wharf
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wildly op raid tank

plush tendon
plush tendon
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and so far, the only boss that hasnt been fun was the second

wooden widget
plush tendon
#

we aint playing double prot war

#

that would make it extra spicey

wooden widget
#

Oooh gotcha

shut summit
#

can reflect and not get rooted

#

but who does that, gotta pad sense

lusty grotto
#

me when avatar is up (or bladestorm) sadge

#

but bladestorm goes brr so we good

#

especially on webs 😄

#

bladestorm and avatar, the pad denier 😄

formal meadow
#

whats like the min ilvl for m0?

tropic linden
#

570 u can do carefree

tribal wharf
#

ooh they got offical wow video how to run SV

#

like, i have like, 50% of the details of whats REALLY goin on there,

#

should fill me up on knowledge about that

lusty grotto
#

what the hell is SV

tribal wharf
#

stone vaults

lusty grotto
#

jesus fuck lol

tribal wharf
#

Stranglethorn Vale

#

Kapap

formal meadow
#

StormVind

tribal wharf
#

oh no, ground pound

wary compass
#

Any tanking tips for silken court? I read the cheet sheet, watched videos, and did it a bunch of times in pug groups, but never cleared it.

lusty grotto
#

is there anything specific giving you problems?

#

also what difficulty

jagged pier
#

courts gunna be hard for any pug

#

ppl need to know what to do

tribal wharf
#

any court fight can be a wall

lusty grotto
#

*council

tribal wharf
#

EP court was rough, council, ya

lusty grotto
#

this one is just called "court"

tribal wharf
#

court is more like, thorim or something, thorim is the judge

#

wtb shield stamped

violet ginkgo
# lusty grotto is there anything specific giving you problems?

with court I think my problem is the poison bolt barrage, the dot is quite hurting although the initial can be spellblocked I think.
However Court fight I think not so much tank problem, the healer and dps got so much things to do, I somewhat glad that I am tank.

lusty grotto
#

thats dispellable

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the dot

#

also its reflectable, which you should be doing first and foremost

#

both poison and void bolts are

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or do you mean the rain

#

which shouldnt target the tank

violet ginkgo
#

the bolts, yeah I always reflect one of the barrage but it shoot like what 5-6 bolts?

lusty grotto
#

uhh

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i dont think ive seen that mechanic

#

but maybe i wasnt paying attention

fair narwhal
#

she just hard-casts 6 poison bolts at a time I think, you need a dispel babysit

lusty grotto
#

yeah the jumping around and bolts?

#

just get dispelled or dwarf

#

is that what you mean by barrage?

violet ginkgo
#

when she cast poison bolts he doesn't just cast once nim, she cast 6 but you can only reflect once, the rest must be handled with healer dispell and some self mitigation.

lusty grotto
#

ok so thats what you meant

violet ginkgo
#

this is where I wish reflective plating going back keks

#

reflect those 6 bolts

tribal wharf
#

les go

keen steppe
#

what item you craft? or w8?^^

violet ginkgo
#

Yeah of course you need the trinket keks

tribal wharf
#

mage got really mad and left

#

i told em aintnoway

south zealot
#

normal was UNBELIEVABLY easy

violet ginkgo
#

I saw the whisper tab must be asking for trinket

tribal wharf
#

dude lmao

#

wtf

shut summit
tribal wharf
#

is this purgatory?

molten gorge
#

I was actually wondering if people would leave m0s in Ara-Kara soon

#

Seems they do lol

neon elk
#

Ive seen bunch of people making grups just for first

gilded nymph
#

what crafts we going ( no raids only m+ player _

lusty grotto
violet ginkgo
#

the purgatory begin

west snow
#

anyone else have a BDK cotank and chose to perma tank anub on heroic court? The anub debuff seems really undertuned. Even at 6 stacks it tickles. Makes the fight brain dead easy for tanks.

tribal wharf
#

well, on the bright side, whenever keys start they will have to wait until AFTER the key ends to see if they got the sac

violet ginkgo
#

well yeah starting next week

tribal wharf
#

didnt expect such an explosive start to logging into wow, cant lie

solid sun
#

Do we have any idea what m+ score is going to look like this season

#

Since they changed how fort and tyr are applied to keys

proper roost
solid sun
#

Christian streamer

tribal wharf
#

it likely got switched on at some point

#

i dont care either way if swear appears or not

#

easier to ignore if cant read it

carmine zodiac
#

Maxroll advise using Pouch of Pocket Grenades as embellishment. I have no idea how good it is. It's the only place I see this advice. Does someone know how good it is?

lusty grotto
#

we cant really answer for maxroll

#

only for wowhead and icyveins

#

but you can sim to check

carmine zodiac
#

Okay, I will then

proper roost
#

does this mean if i swear profusely yogi will be forced to read it

lusty grotto
plush tendon
#

I hope pocket grenades are good

#

sounds pretty cool

soft tusk
#

WTF ARE DELVES?!

#

Solo it is.. you can't do it in a group..

lusty grotto
#

a new evergreen content for world of warcraft

proper roost
#

🤨

soft tusk
#

I got a 2h as prot from this delve.. loot spec is set for prot

proper roost
#

is the weapon warbound

soft tusk
#

nope

#

I am actually salty

proper roost
#

your loot spec was not set to prot then

soft tusk
#

doesn't change

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but ... since it is a weapon..

#

I can upgrade my shield for free..

lusty grotto
#

and 1 hander

soft tusk
#

yup

#

so.. a nice upgrade?

#

Thank blizz?

violet ginkgo
#

Yes thank blizz for sure

soft tusk
#

I guess it worked out.. lol

violet ginkgo
#

I mean isn't it nice that you got 2 hander and then just discounted upgrade for 1h and shield, no longer need crest too for upgrading.

violet ginkgo
plush tendon
#

save dem crests

tribal wharf
#

which tier of crest

proper roost
#

he just said

#

dem. dh

#

duh

tribal wharf
#

i have a bunch of carved

proper roost
#

you can send carved crests

#

tbh i think you can instantly jump into +7s yogi

#

i think you are experienced enough

tribal wharf
#

do keys even exist right now

#

not ptr

#

im not in ptr, i dont do any ptr really

#

like ever for any wow,

harsh ermine
#

is it just me or are delves, regardless of solo or group play currently just not feasible? the scaling is bs?

lusty grotto
#

idk man

plush tendon
#

they are for sure doable

lusty grotto
#

grouped delves are not doable, was yelled repeatedly after those changes were announced

#

and yet

#

nobody read the notes

proper roost
#

the complaining is giga reddit coded

robust urchin
#

i fucking hate delves

lusty grotto
#

and then some placebo effect for good measure

#

i died to shit, therefore delves are broken!

proper roost
#

i want to do them with one of your alts again just to show how easy the grouped ones are but I have like

#

a weird number of keys atm

lusty grotto
#

when they in fact, died to shit

proper roost
#

so i need to like

waxen frigate
proper roost
#

do 3, do a radiant echo, and then do the last one

#

why is the radiant echo shit just either

#

turn in 1x or turn in 5x

#

no in between

#

very silly.

lusty grotto
#

dunno but its boring af

#

so im with brew in that im just gonna save for the x5 every time

#

cause i dont wanna do that shit more than once

proper roost
#

ya thats what i mean

robust urchin
#

The solo delve experience

proper roost
#

i have 4 echoes atm

#

and 3 keys

#

so i need to do 1 delve and then randomly stop and do an echo

#

and then finish

robust urchin
#

You can't convince me people enjoy doing this shit solo

plush tendon
#

naw

#

put some lofi beats on

#

early Saturday morning

#

solo delves sound chill

lusty grotto
#

sirs, the hive mind has spoken, they are not doable

proper roost
#

as an aside though, I capped conquest last night

#

and it was weirdly very fun!

#

i'm really bad at fakecasting 😔 but healers in pvp r kinda op as

plush tendon
#

does anyone know if they still do Saturday morning cartoons?

lone sable
#

Hey people. Anybody got a sec and would brother explaining the crafting gear to me like I’m five? I managed to get someone to craft me the 590 shield next week, but its my understanding its opened up for more powerul items to be crafted now?

proper roost
#

once i had mostly full pvp gear just had like 3-5 people sitting on me and unable to chew through my steel ass

lone sable
#

The 590 Last week* lol

royal mist
#

We still not using sparks?

plush tendon
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lusty grotto
#

let nome sleep

#

poor guy had 5-6 hours of sleep only for a couple of days, or so he mentioned

proper roost
#

i kinda wish someone told me pvp was fun actually before so i would have gotten honor gear last week

#

oh well

royal mist
#

More of an open question, just replying to the pin for awareness.

lusty grotto
#

if the message is still pinned, we're still not using it

royal mist
#

bet

plush tendon
#

there are prob two planned tuning passes

#

one sometime this week

#

and one sometime a little after the race

lone sable
lusty grotto
#

no

#

its not

#

those are spark crafts

#

read the pins

toxic pewter
#

these mini boss mobs in delves are insanely overtuned lol

proper roost
#

i'm gonna take precognition for m+ and intentionally get casts interrupted by that one freehold/siege mob that does the interrupting shout

vestal moat
#

So, I dps in raid but want to tank for m+ and arguably raid is prio. so i guess no crafted stuffs and embellishments for prot unless i compromise and do duskweave x 2. feels bad but i guess im at peace with it

lusty grotto
#

whats wrong with duskweave

#

you can run embelishments on non spark 590 if youre hurting for them

#

and i think you meant dawnthread

vestal moat
#

It's about 2% behind darkmoon ascendance and writhing armorband which requires a 2 hander. yeah i am wondering if embellish on prot is even gonna be worth the lower ilvl if i do that

lusty grotto
#

so far duskthread and dawnthread are top

#

for prot

vestal moat
#

yeah and even as a tank the threads may not have much value esp when you need it

lusty grotto
#

pending tuning

#

wait

#

what

#

wdym

#

do you mean duskthreads/dawnthreads doesnt have much value?

#

youre wrong

#

read the guide

vestal moat
#

they have not much defensive value when you need it. i think they are really good for dam. and i also think theres not much better so ill prob go with it

lusty grotto
#

those are our top embelishments

proper roost
#

isn't that embellish literally like "gain vers almost all the time"

#

lol

#

let's stick to playing dps on your day job buddy

lusty grotto
#

or crit if dawn

remote tusk
#

That doesnt mean it is bad.

west narwhal
#

man is planning on staying under 80% and hoping embellish is gonna save him 😛

lusty grotto
#

we have never used a "defensive" embelish

#

ever

#

since their inception

#

UFFB, shadowflame, etc

#

some of us evn ran BSL last season

#

which was 90% hp for it to work

vestal moat
#

im not arguing with you guys shesh. im going thread or nothing

#

the biggest question is whether i choose nothing and just go with lower ilevel

#

or*

waxen frigate
proper roost
#

🤨

lusty grotto
#

im not currently running embelishments since everything upgraded my 590s

waxen frigate
proper roost
#

did tanks really run sporecloak in s3

#

that sounds cringe

waxen frigate
#

We might’ve

proper roost
#

tanks def did not run sporecloak in s2 when it was batshit op

waxen frigate
#

Sporecloak was basically the new lariat

lusty grotto
#

some did, but then again some equipped cheats for 8s

waxen frigate
#

Because it was gonna be stronger in s3 than in s2

#

And then literally got nuked the night before s3

waxen frigate
#

Nobody used sporecloak in s3 not even sporecloak andys

lusty grotto
#

you know there's always people

#

im talking s2

waxen frigate
#

Oh

#

Yeah a decent amount did

#

But s3 like I said it was poised to be ubiquitous with insane vers uptime

lusty grotto
#

hell people crafted lariats without sockets lmao

waxen frigate
#

For basically free

lusty grotto
#

yeah

#

i remember that

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

thats literally the best example of "do not craft yet"

proper roost
#

that's pretty funny tbh

#

i really don't get the craft andys

#

I bet

#

there will be a ton of those posts on monday too

#

the people who are like "should I catalyze this item??!?!" this week were crazy as well

#

especially cuz NONE OF THEM had any other tier pieces AT ALL

#

so it's like ok ur gonna catalyse for your 1/5 tier?? the fuck???

waxen frigate
#

This was literally Monday night

#

7pm on the Monday before the tier is insane

#

For such a substantial change

lusty grotto
#

lolll

#

yea

#

you right

waxen frigate
#

As I said in the screenshot I didn’t craft it

#

Because at the time of that message I think I was at the airport waiting for my Uber

#

On my way back from blizzcon

proper roost
#

Monday crafters...

#

especially if they've been playing for a while

#

egregious brainrot

tribal wharf
#

arakara trinketers have brain rot

#

that shit was toxic

lusty grotto
#

youre not wrong yogi

waxen frigate
#

That’s literally 12 hours away from raid open

#

Lmao

proper roost
#

that's based though they should do that more

#

make raid only players suffer

waxen frigate
proper roost
#

why are u so angy

delicate plover
#

Question, is the best info we have on talents just the icy/wowhead guides?

proper roost
#

lately

proper roost
#

you joke around and tell me my transmog is dog but i joke around about raiders and you get so pressed

lusty grotto
#

do you need any additional info?

proper roost
#

i thought better of you than this nish

#

very sad

waxen frigate
delicate plover
proper roost
#

he's so angy..

shadow haven
waxen frigate
robust urchin
#

Epic!

waxen frigate
#

Is epic

lusty grotto
#

unfortunate indeed

waxen frigate
delicate plover
#

I tripped out last night. Earlier in the morning I did a t8 bountiful and soloed it. Later that day me and my healer couldn’t complete t8 bountifuls!! Had me questioning my life. Granted I solod it at ilvl 568 but I have no idea what happened

lusty grotto
#

delves got tuned

#

as per wowhead's news and/or whatever site has wow info

waxen frigate
lusty grotto
#

guy is new lol

rigid hull
#

such a dumb tuning they added 3 new mobs that clap u

proper roost
#

you probably should never have played tank + healer in delves tbf

#

tank + dps made things insanely easier

delicate plover
proper roost
#

the healer just ends up spam healin themselves anyway

robust urchin
jagged pier
#

just meme it ez

#

forest folly is such a joke

#

just let the sporebits kill everything

robust urchin
heady jetty
#

What happend to our dmg?

jagged pier
#

nothing

lusty grotto
#

nothing

jagged pier
#

its where it always has been

heady jetty
#

i feel like it's shit today, compared to yesterday

jagged pier
#

u just dont kill stuff during burst anymore

lusty grotto
#

"feel"

heady jetty
#

Guess your right

jagged pier
proper roost
#

ok

soft tusk
#

should these be done in a group?

urban bane
#

naw, ez content

soft tusk
#

dont u kill stuff faster?

#

giving you a higher score

urban bane
#

I've yet to do them where there havent been people swarming. and even then, it was like 3 - 7 globals and stuff died

wind prawn
#

Trash ?

soft tusk
#

depends on proc

proper roost
#

iirc when I checked it said 5+Haste PPM

#

So seems pretty bad but at least it's 603 ilvl

#

and has full str

proper roost
#

you don't actually get anything out of killing any of the mobs (for most of the stages) it's just a "survive 5 minutes" i'm p sure

soft tusk
#

watch them nerf brann

inland raft
#

What is with the sinkhole delve? I blew through the others in a couple minutes, that one bends me over backwards and fucks me with a cactus the size of texas

wide pilot
#

when should we be using our sparks?

proper roost
#

prob when embellish tuning happens

#

which some high tier nerds r expecting by the end of this week

inland raft
#

no

proper roost
#

There's drowning damage in there

#

are you sure

inland raft
#

yes im just getting hit for like 5 million through block and wall

proper roost
#

the casters also do high damage and there's like a shadowstep mob that shadowstep backstabs you for a lot

#

so relaly the same thing as every other dungeon

#

kill the prio spellcasters/that rogue mob quickly

jagged pier
#

SR one caster stop the others

#

or ST stack

proper roost
#

mob spawns r random too (did this like 10x to level my pwar cuz people said this was the fastest delve, that was bs but whateveR)

#

so sometimes you get a lot of casters and sometimes you get a lot of rogues

#

can't spell reflect the rogues just have to burn em

#

You also only need to do like 40% of the dungeon since you can use the extra action button leap to just go straight to the last boss

tribal wharf
#

gross

proper roost
#

That one's fun

#

Did your entire group get killed by the middle box

soft tusk
#

anyone how good this is?

jagged pier
#

rage-filled

#

giga biss

soft tusk
jagged pier
#

yer brann should just be dps

#

he smacks

#

afks for 30 seconds every now and then

#

but its fine

soft tusk
#

better than Arrowhead?

#

what about this row?

jagged pier
#

well its branns damage not yours so yer as he pumps

#

amorphous

woven gate
#

man delves are impossible lol. time to wait until they fix the fix lol

jagged pier
#

no

#

very easy

#

just use your toolkit

#

and respect mechanics

woeful trellis
jagged pier
#

and ive done it on 2 classes with on 2 different roles

#

so dont tell me its impossible

woven gate
#

idk man getting whacked for 1.2m AOE dot damage where the rest of the group dies kinda fucking blows

woeful trellis
#

We did lvl 11 and zekriv ?? After buff again

jagged pier
#

did them today

#

was fine as well

woven gate
#

need your groups then cause everyone hits like a wet paper bag

jagged pier
#

just solo

#

takes like 10 mins

#

your in a tank spec

lean panther
#

Thought there was a patch today that made them scale really bad solo

jagged pier
#

even without u need to just again respect mechanics

#

and pull a bit slower

woven gate
#

28M webweaver sucks ass lol

lean panther
#

I haven’t been on to see

woven gate
#

it's gnarly lol

jagged pier
#

ppl are just pulling like they did before the patching

#

and wondering why they are dying

oblique garnet
solid cargo
#

Solo is fine, group scaling got a lil fucky from what I saw

woven gate
#

i mean Earthcrawl literally does not let you pull less with the gauntlet

lusty grotto
jagged pier
oblique garnet
#

As is tradition

jagged pier
lusty grotto
#

"group scaling" btw

soft tusk
#

how rare are these maps?!

lusty grotto
#

idk where people are getting this shit lol

jagged pier
#

rare

inland raft
#

fnally did it, i think was just bad luck on the mob seeding

#

and ya i got my first map today after doing all the bountifuls on 3 characters and even a ton of non bountifuls with friends yesterday

lean panther
#

I mean I’ve been having no issue. Gonna start posting my delv logs

jagged pier
tribal wharf
#

ez

lusty grotto
#

i swear these people have like a lvl 18 brann or some shit

inland raft
#

was just the sinkhole that gave me an issue today, the rest i did solo in like 3-5 minutes

lusty grotto
#

meanwhile me, while doing group delves

soft tusk
#

u get more xp for brann in group delves?

lusty grotto
#

idk

jagged pier
#

the same

lean panther
#

Don’t think so

lusty grotto
#

but who cares lol

jagged pier
#

hes capped for nim now anyway

lusty grotto
#

my brann has been 38 since wednesday

jagged pier
#

nearly capped for me

lusty grotto
#

but to be fair... i run with alts

woven gate
#

my brann is only level 18 lol

lean panther
#

36 is cap?

lusty grotto
#

so he shot up on exp

#

38

jagged pier
#

38

lean panther
#

Alright I’m close

solid cargo
#

Was bout to say that's gotta be because of alts lol. I think mines only 25 or smthn

lusty grotto
#

yes it is

#

poor monkchip

#

need to level it still 😦

woven gate
#

okay. ima keep it a buck

lusty grotto
#

to be fair, i havent done delves on all of them

woven gate
#

solo prot is actually easy

lusty grotto
#

i do like 4 on warrior, then 4 on another alt and thats it

woven gate
#

Was playing fury because i underestimated brann's dps

solid cargo
proper roost
solid cargo
#

Bran fuckin pumps

proper roost
#

they made group delves scale appropriately

mortal brook
#

Appropriately xd

proper roost
#

people are malding because they can't be carried anymore

#

yes appropriately

lusty grotto
#

we lost steve to the hivemind

#

F

proper roost
#

Me feeding off your tears

#

nyamnyamyanymnamyanm

#

reddit says it's hard!!

lusty grotto
#

meanwhile

mortal brook
#

Botching the scalers cuz they cant put the mods on the right lines. Coming back when it gets retuned again 🙏

#

Eyir socks

gilded tendonBOT
#

🧦

#

fuk u @lusty grotto

lusty grotto
#

eyir is so rude

proper roost
#

Clearly, the appropriate group scaling for delves was for mob HP to go down by 50%

#

it was SUPPOSED to be that way uuhuhuhuh

mortal brook
#

Duh they missed both times

#

Not a stretch

proper roost
#

malding over casual solo content because you can't do it

mortal brook
#

Chuckle as you like tho

proper roost
#

is peak

#

reddit tier posting

#

the schadenfreude is off the charts

lusty grotto
#

steve why is prot pally so shitty

mortal brook
#

...botched the scalers

lusty grotto
mortal brook
#

Ptr prot even worse

lusty grotto
#

yikers 😬

solid cargo
#

Oof

mortal brook
#

Expect more changes tho tbh.

lusty grotto
#

what they do

mortal brook
#

Losing haste, cdr, mastery, and Hammer of Wrath. Have a buncha ??? Stuff that indicates its not gonna be final version as well

inland raft
#

I cant imagine it being worse then now, i love my pally but compared to my war, dk, and dh it may as well be made out of wet tissue paper

lusty grotto
#

riparooni

mortal brook
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Glad pwar doin better than usual tho

lusty grotto
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hmm..

solid cargo
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Wait it's losing hammer?

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Huh

lusty grotto
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we aint dotc

mortal brook
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During wings

solid cargo
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Ew

mortal brook
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Execute only

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Prob wont go live like that

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But theyre doing weird version testing

oblique quarry
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Yesterday I asked about Zekvir and said I would report back if I was able to do it. Happy to report back that it was pretty easy, I just held cool downs for the cocoon adds and made sure to interrupt the poison cast. Brann made quick work of the boss itself. He sure hits hard but with proper cd usage it wasn’t too bad.

mortal brook
# lusty grotto we aint dotc

Love constant trading quality of life yep. Watch bear get kneejerked nuked again cuz its mildly ahead in keys.

lusty grotto
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if this was s2

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they would be safe

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thats when blizzard goes to sleep

mortal brook
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Brother i ate 4 nerfs in raid last s2. Hate bear being okay in keys

lusty grotto
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LOL

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ok ok mid s2

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just wait for the patch that introduces augmentation2

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bear will be safe until last weeks of the season 😄

proper roost
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tank shaman

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dread it

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run from it

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it's coming mid season

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😔

mortal brook
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Shaman tank cope is old enough to vote

lusty grotto
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tbf i dont think most pros are gonna play dotc for high keys anyway

proper roost
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tHe NpC

mortal brook
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Not unless total output is the stop

lusty grotto
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yeah

woven gate
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the damn spider rider dude is annoying af

zealous goblet
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hey so, does the shield from zekvir defy the ilvl rule for prot warrior? seeing as it has no stamina at all

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the one with only 2k bonus armor

lusty grotto
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it defies being in your bags

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since it should be vendored or d/e'd

zealous goblet
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right just checking

lusty grotto
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but no, it doesnt

zealous goblet
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oh

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ok

lusty grotto
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ilvl > all is due to block value

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and that alone

zealous goblet
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okie dokie cause i think this is the first piece of gear that ever made me question it

lusty grotto
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the extra armor does not make up for the lost block value

woven gate
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i can't kill venombite solo wtf

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what is this garbage lmfao

lusty grotto
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i swear we're gonna have to start asking for delve logs

woven gate
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idk how to get those lol

solid cargo
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I'm guessing people are going to stop talking about delves next week

mortal brook
# woven gate idk how to get those lol

LOGGING

Logs and vods give detailed info for targeted improvement.

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TLDR on getting logs!
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Make sure your logs aren't set to private!
Gratz you has logs to share.

lusty grotto
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can delves be logged though

mortal brook
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the combat log doesnt turn off

waxen frigate
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They can, it’s just a matter of whether they’re formatted in a reasonable manner

solid cargo
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Probably? You can log anything