protection

[tranquil pumice]

it seems massive

girthy

[round pendant]

check your blocked hits %, use shield wall more, camp dstance

[robust urchin]

Well endowed

[proper roost]

huh?? why are u so pressed about this

[round pendant]

oh

[proper roost]

u asked when they did ground only

[tranquil pumice]

i dont get it though like why would i have to max my gear above the mythic drop rate to get over mythic 0 seems like a terribel system

[robust urchin]

Are you maybe pulling to much

[proper roost]

bfa, sl, mop, wod, etc, they did pathfinders cuz people hated being grounded so much

[molten gorge]

Well you said "can barely pull 2 packs"

[robust urchin]

Is your healer maybe dog ass?

[molten gorge]

So pull 1 pack

🤷‍♂️

[grim pilot]

@south zealot

are u at pc

[tranquil pumice]

i have been but that shit takes forever

[molten gorge]

Unlucky ig

[rich dragon]

is there a new portal room for the new dungeons?

[mellow quartz]

I pulled half the trash in Stonevault m0 without a healer. Sounds like a skill issue

[robust urchin]

M0 is big boy pants time no omegalul rizzlers

[tranquil pumice]

this has been very unhelpful

[round pendant]

Fumbles do you have a log?

[molten gorge]

[mellow quartz]

You say ‘things hurt bad game’

[robust urchin]

You're welcome 🤗

[molten gorge]

Stop I'm laughing

[tropic pond]

is there any portal room for dg outside tww?

[rich dragon]

anyoen know?

[robust urchin]

Dornogal?

What's dg

[round pendant]

Hey you should log a dungeon and post it here

[rich dragon]

yeah but how do i get to grim batol and shit, just old fashioned way?

[tropic pond]

dungeon

[round pendant]

we can't really help with "dungeons hurt" beyond a basic checklist

[mighty valley]

there are so many things that could be going on - the dungeons could be overtuned, or you're missing something in your play, or your group doesn't know the pack mechanics so you're getting slammed by spells

[robust urchin]

If there ain't no portals at the dumb m+ pandaren then no

[rich dragon]

Where's she even at?

[robust urchin]

The upgrade lizards

[rich dragon]

ok sick

[round pendant]

great, you guys scared fumble off

[molten gorge]

We really, fumbled the bag on that one

[south zealot]

yo

wassup

[grim pilot]

dm

[plush path]

@lusty grotto at what haste should i pick into the fray

[robust urchin]

I never said I was helpful I'm just here for background

[molten gorge]

What's crazy to me is like, and this isn't meant as an attack rn, but people do come and ask the same Q about 30 times

When there's a literal search function

[round pendant]

That's just the nature of a discord server

[molten gorge]

And you could type in "into the fray" or "portals"

[molten gorge]

I know, I just find it crazy

[robust urchin]

Nah ur crazy fam on God frfr

[molten gorge]

My first thing is always search it and if I can't find an answer (or it's not very recent) I'll ask

Every server is like it, I just find it funny

[robust urchin]

Just tag theorycrafters they are only here to get tagged and answer questions all day 24/7

[round pendant]

idk

[molten gorge]

😂

[round pendant]

Most questions are pretty simple to answer so it's not like it's a huge inconvenience to answer it

[molten gorge]

It's not, but it's also not an inconvenience to search it for 2 seconds

You'll even find the answer faster that way most likely

[round pendant]

Yeah but you'll never be in a world where everyone is going to do that

I'm sure for every repetitive question that gets asked there's 10 other people who searched for it instead

[molten gorge]

Took me 2 seconds

[robust urchin]

Nah

[molten gorge]

@plush path you're welcome

[pastel sleet]

i dont think spare meat hook is good. it feels like shit

[molten gorge]

I didn't say I would?

Just said it's funny

[latent tusk]

anyone using nmatrix or should we wait till we get like 616 gear or something to use it on

[molten gorge]

You're doing to me what you got mad at someone for doing to you

I said its crazy and it amuses me

[plush path]

ty but what you cant get to it this season means? cant get to 40%?

[karmic plinth]

nope not yet

[latent tusk]

i mean catalyst

[round pendant]

I'm just explaining my rationale for not getting upset or surprised at it

lol

You can take it how you want

[molten gorge]

🤝

We are in agreement

It is not surprising or upsetting

I still hate them tho

[robust urchin]

Smh stop hate, start love 💕

[molten gorge]

Mfw I can't even kekw, I hate it here

[latent tusk]

is there a recommended ilvl for an item before u catalyze it into a setpiece?

[robust urchin]

You'd want to catalyst the highest track you have

[plush path]

is mountain thain better than colossus?

[lusty grotto]

you cant, theres not enough stats, you would have to sacrifice ilvl which is absolutely not recommended

think about ITF in s2, and provided our itemization is good then

s1 is heavy repercussion season

for M+

[robust urchin]

Only love here

No hate allowed

[plush path]

ty, i was asking bc in https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1269007003469090878 i saw 2 options

[round pendant]

you sound upset

[lusty grotto]

raid picks ITF

[onyx sandal]

Person specific. I'd wait until you've ran the raid at your max level for the week and then just catalyze a piece with ilvl that's in like with what you'd normally get

[plush path]

for raid it was itf and for mythic it was heavy

[lusty grotto]

because you dont tank all the time

so you can get away with it

and you have pets/melee around to keep 5 stacks

[round pendant]

I tank all the time cause my cotank does 20k dps ;(

[plush path]

ty broski\

[lusty grotto]

for raids you always go ITF provided youre not solo tanking

[molten gorge]

Nothing more fun than getting heated over minor things

[robust urchin]

Tell him about ground mounts maybe that will help push his DPS higher

[lusty grotto]

for m+, we're not picking ITF until probably next season

[round pendant]

Fumble messaged me but I can't reply to them because they left the server

lmao

[molten gorge]

Rofl

Love that he left

[molten gorge]

Provide zero info, get very lightly meme'd, rage quit

🤝

[robust urchin]

Now that you mention it I haven't gotten a single DM saying I suck yet

[round pendant]

Well you shouldn't be memeing genuine questions

[molten gorge]

Don't be boring

You had a whole argument about flying mounts or something for like an hour

You have your fun, let us have ours smh

[dim token]

Is it just me it feels bad to leave stamina talents untaken, we're probably the only tank that does that ever

[molten gorge]

And it was barely a genuine question, and there was spatterings of legitimate help

[robust urchin]

It wasn't a genuine question

[molten gorge]

Like he could have maybe not repaired

He might not have been in plate

You don't know

[robust urchin]

WHY DF M10 EQUIVALENT DUNGEON DO DAMAGE BIG?

[molten gorge]

[robust urchin]

WHY DIE WHEN PULL MANY MOBS??????

Like what are we supposed to answer

[round pendant]

You can just, not reply to him

[plush path]

battle shout giving 5% attack power only gives +5% dmg to meele characters right?

[molten gorge]

This guy btw

You even meme'd him

[robust urchin]

Someone said he did half the trash in stonevault without a healer

[molten gorge]

First reply is from you @round pendant

"Press shieldblock"

[round pendant]

That's not a meme

[molten gorge]

Smh

[mighty valley]

Stamina doesn't matter that much tbh

[molten gorge]

That is a meme

Either you have autism, or that's a meme

(No shade on spectrum homies)

[round pendant]

You remind me of Jordan

[molten gorge]

But that is 100% you taking the piss

[robust urchin]

Michael?

[lusty grotto]

are you referring to endurance training?

its garbo

[molten gorge]

Cause I'm DUNKING on these nerds

[dim token]

Having more hp alone makes me happy, it's like growing taller

[round pendant]

Shield block is the #1 defensive people need to make sure they're pressing

Telling him to press it makes him aware that he might not be keeping it up

[molten gorge]

Ye, it's also basic

[mighty valley]

Then you can take the talent, go nuts

[molten gorge]

"Did you remember to breathe?"

[round pendant]

Yeah, what kind of advice do you think someone who's struggling to pull 2 packs needs?

[molten gorge]

Our advice was the same?

[south zealot]

are these stats good for m0s

[molten gorge]

Repair

[robust urchin]

"Reroll"

[south zealot]

i worry i dont have enough dodge

[molten gorge]

Hahahahhaha

[onyx sandal]

Did they really change the scaling of mythic this dramatically for TWW?

[south zealot]

for season 4

[robust urchin]

They changed it in fated season df

[south zealot]

ther ewas changes this season as well, not nearly as drastic as season 4 dragonflight though

[round pendant]

Stop arguing with me in bad faith over stupid shit

[onyx sandal]

Ah gotcha. I didn't play S4

[molten gorge]

I'm not arguing with you?

[onyx sandal]

Appreciate it good to know

[robust urchin]

Basically m0 is not the face roll it used to be

But it's apparently not so hard that you can't finish it

[south zealot]

read the wowhead guide

and your abilities

should understand what your abilities do before playing

[onyx sandal]

Bountiful delves seem to be better for gearing than M0 this week anyways

M0 feels like it's in a weird spot

[molten gorge]

Lilbro definitely left cause you meme'd him and said press shield block tho ngl

[south zealot]

u do 4 a day and ur m0s everyday if ur optimal

[robust urchin]

Bountiful delves don't have Mark of Khadros

[robust urchin]

Agree

He actually messaged me saying "Thanks for the advice I did have a few non plate items"

[molten gorge]

I'm not even joking, when you wrote it I laughed

[round pendant]

Yep ideally people would know their abilities but also a reminder to press their shit more can go a long way

[robust urchin]

Godspeed fumbles

[onyx sandal]

We want that much mastery?

[molten gorge]

I can't breathe

[robust urchin]

No but it's good for fury

[onyx sandal]

I'm a one trick pony

[robust urchin]

Basically delves don't have good trinkets

I can rephrase it and say delves don't have Eggsac from Harakiri dungeon

[round pendant]

s1 doesn't have good trinkets at all

[robust urchin]

Need some CPR?

[onyx sandal]

Seems like our only good trinket this season

[vocal flame]

is the delve loot random or is it tied to a certain one like dungeons?

[plush path]

when do i use execute if ever?

[granite pond]

Whenever you can, baby! Dam dam damage

[robust urchin]

It's world quest and world events

[karmic plinth]

on 1 target

[plush path]

so only on bosses?

[karmic plinth]

if theres only 1 trash mob too

[lusty grotto]

some mastery is always good

[karmic plinth]

or if theres 1 mob u rly wanna kill

[lusty grotto]

and the amount of mastery you gain from certain trinkets is huge

converts to AP (and crit block chance) which is pretty big

[round pendant]

Execute got buffed right?

[robust urchin]

Honestly Khadros and Sacbrood is pretty crisp

Don't knock it

[round pendant]

I imagine it's just in place of revenge in st still

[slim current]

are bountiful delves daily or weekly

[lusty grotto]

yes in preseason

its higher prio than revenge in execute phases

[granite pond]

4 delves per day are bountiful

[slim current]

cuz i wanted to do a 6 on this one so i could test run myself thru it before doing it on 8 and i used my key and got 590 loot instead of max lmao

[lusty grotto]

but still lower than rage generators

[granite pond]

I was able to easily solo 8s at 580 ilevel, prot is quite well suited to them

[lofty warren]

I just did the weekly but it is still on my map.. am i eligible to do it again?

[slim current]

im at 581 ilvl right now

[lusty grotto]

this is lvl 8 bountiful loot

without upgrades

also you get runed crests (wyrm)

got x2

per 1 lvl 8 bountiful

[granite pond]

seems random for the crests

[lusty grotto]

probably

[granite pond]

i have 2 total and did 4 bountiful 8s

[round pendant]

"in execute phases" in ST though right? like I ain't executing a single mob if there's 3 mobs?

[granite pond]

it depends entirely on what else you could spend that GCD on

[crimson furnace]

is the item a 100% drop in the bountiful delve?

[granite pond]

will it kill the mob? are you safe? etc

[slim current]

is there a tech to dying on 8s aside from dont die what happens if i have no more revives

[crimson furnace]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

and in prio targetting situations

as thane

[granite pond]

it's random from the chest at the end

[lusty grotto]

this does not apply to colossus

[round pendant]

yeah, thought so

[crimson furnace]

random item, or random drop and we might get shit 🙂

[robust urchin]

You waste your bountiful

[lusty grotto]

its random

[slim current]

got it

[granite pond]

i got a helm, cloak, and 2 poop trinkets

[robust urchin]

I'd you have 1 revive left and you feel you won't make it leave

[granite pond]

I think just zoming in wastes the bountiful for the day

so you might as well finish it

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats what ive heard

[slim current]

as long as theyre daily sounds good. im stressing too much about fucking up and wasting one

[lusty grotto]

my guild cautioned on it so

we've been grouping them

[lusty grotto]

its fine youll get coffer key shards

x100 = 1 key

just right click them

and do the world quests that give them out

[robust urchin]

You get shards from world souls too

[warm dirge]

anyone have a protection warrior WA packet they recommend

[lusty grotto]

thats preferential

but (here we go again)

nomeratur, quazii, luxthos, afenar, dorki, khakhan's just search these names in google or wago and look at them and pick whatever you like

[round pendant]

nomes or hijack or quazii

[lusty grotto]

hijack too

[robust urchin]

Do bountiful delves
Get souls key
Do world soul
Get shard
Make delve key
Do bountiful delve
Get souls key
Do world soul
Get shard
Make delve key
Do bountiful delve

[slim current]

tyty

[neon elk]

Once u progres a bit in them u can also buy them for 2k undercoins so this adds a little to the wheel

[robust urchin]

The fun never ends

[cursive orbit]

is prot bis for delves?

[robust urchin]

Anything is good for delves except maybe healers

[cursive orbit]

okay bredda

i am eager to try them tomorrow

[robust urchin]

DPS is faster Tank is safer pick your poison

[mighty valley]

a friend said they did a delve as prot and died in 3 autos... but that might've been an early bug

[molten gorge]

Did they press shield block?

[robust urchin]

Is your friend fumbles?

[molten gorge]

🤝

[molten gorge]

yam absolutely seething rn

Literally shaking in his wheelchair

[mellow quartz]

oh they changed the 2nd boss in Dawnbreaker

she no longer patrols but stands here

[robust urchin]

More like afk riding his Ground mount

[molten gorge]

[robust urchin]

They should have changed more about it, like remove it completely

[round pendant]

That's good

still a shit area tho

[mighty valley]

i promise they know how to play world of warcraft lol

they were taking less damage as dps, something seemed wacky

[molten gorge]

Was just a meme

[robust urchin]

Or maybe?

[mellow quartz]

its actually suprisingly good

[molten gorge]

...unless?

[mellow quartz]

you dont have to clear anything to fight her

[robust urchin]

Perhaps???

[robust urchin]

I had a HC group today where everyone else died to the first boss

[molten gorge]

In fairness to people, if you've never done it before

Or heard about it

And have no weakauras

And don't pay attention

You probably do die to the mechanic

[robust urchin]

T8 was fairly doable on the beta

Even with my EU lag

You just had to try

[agile elbow]

Are we still doing loot as arms/fury for dps trinkets over tank trinkets?

[meager abyss]

So how do you get sparks?

[round pendant]

I just know people are gonna buttpull all the casters

[molten gorge]

Play with less latinas

Too thicc

Caked up white boys ❌

Not on your watch

[pastel sleet]

I do not mythic raid but i do push gear cap and m+

Asking for clarification,

Next week gilded crests become available.

I could craft a 636 shield using 1 spark and 90 crests. (Instead of waiting on one from vault)

Then the next week craft a 636 1h using 1 spark and 90 crests.

Meaning by week 2, 2 sparks and 180 crests for solid 1h+shield.

OR i could craft 636 2h for 2 spark and 90 gilded crests then use valor to upgrade farmed heroic 1h &shield to 626… then spend the 90 gilded crests on other stuff.

Is that a super bad idea? It seems like a reasonable way to save some early crests. But my shield would be lower ilvl.

I dunno im just thinking out loud

[round pendant]

yes craft a shield it's huge

[tribal wharf]

the second boss GB just hit thor for 9 million melee

looks painful

[robust urchin]

Need me a thick Latina healer gf real bad

[molten gorge]

😩

[opal forum]

is m0 on yet

[robust urchin]

Yes

No

[opal forum]

uhh

[robust urchin]

Yes NA

No EU

[opal forum]

okok

wich explain the 15min queue

[mellow quartz]

they completely redid necrotic wake mob placements after the bridge

[robust urchin]

For what

[mellow quartz]

you have an extra pack right after the bridge to the right in the middle of everything with casters and summoners

[mellow quartz]

and the big mini boss that used to patrol is now on the stairs to the 2nd boss

cant avoid him in most groups

[molten gorge]

Did he press shield block?

[robust urchin]

I never played SL could you break it down for me?

[mellow quartz]

he didn't kite the 1000% melee hit increase

[mellow quartz]

if you never played SL then nothing changed for you

[robust urchin]

Thanks for breakdown

[mellow quartz]

we tested all of beta on the old version and then when game goes live they change it all

what is beta for then...

[robust urchin]

Epic blizzard moment

[molten gorge]

Owned

[mellow quartz]

essentially they just did this

[robust urchin]

Looks complicated

[molten gorge]

Spinny boy just before boss now?

[mellow quartz]

yep

not moving

[molten gorge]

Hmm

I mean, ig that's easier?

[mellow quartz]

if you can run past the new pack then yes

but I think it was to close

[molten gorge]

I remember that pack being annoying, all the casters

[mellow quartz]

will have to check again

its very annoying

[neon elk]

Are there still done any mega pulls using orbs ? Ive seen something about spears nerfs making them pretty much useles , idk how good those weps there are

[soft plume]

can delves drop hero gear?

[mellow quartz]

orbs are almost only used for the silence they do, no robots anymore

[neon elk]

Damn and the rest ? Is it useles or still using spears on bosses ?

[mellow quartz]

3rd boss but doesnt matter in m0s

[warm plinth]

This is from tier 8 bountiful

[gloomy saffron]

Yes with the map
https://www.wowhead.com/news/delvers-bounty-random-treasure-map-from-delves-awards-up-to-hero-track-gear-346588

[robust urchin]

That is pretty epic

[tribal wharf]

realms are full

[proud dock]

shld we be upgrading gear now with the new stones or still hold on to them

[neon elk]

The new ones that are m0-3?

[tribal wharf]

the new crest drops on or after a 3

[round pendant]

gd I don't understand rogue at all

[tribal wharf]

well, which spec, subelty i dont often play with

[round pendant]

Assa

I need to redo all my keybinds I think

my age old alt/ctrl/shift + 1-6/qerf is not working anymore

[tribal wharf]

it has the potential to hit insanely high single target, if you can keep in melee range and out of fires

and hit your buttons

[round pendant]

I'm just gonna read the wowhead article fully rather than assuming I can figure it out from the rotations alone lmao

[tribal wharf]

outlaw is cleave and a bit easier to play, but it doesnt have the potential like assa does

[round pendant]

I used to like Outlaw but apparently it's really cringe now

[tribal wharf]

i dont like the between the eyes and the roll the bones

but i can live with the roll

[round pendant]

I like rtb

also don't like bte

[tribal wharf]

i'll save it for the rogue discord but i like to run deeper stratagem most times on rogue

also like echoing reprimand

[round pendant]

I'm reeeeally not good at DoT classes/specs

feels so weirdge to me to track dots and remember the most efficient way to reapply them

like the whole vanish before deathmark into garrote

and also remembering to thistle tea before garrote in that scenario if I need energy

like bruh there's so much shit to keep track of

[tribal wharf]

i could bigly complaints mode on rogue talent tree

but i wont

not really

[lusty grotto]

we just got bind on warbound tier

😄

[coarse lynx]

im kinda hard torn between guardian and pwar for mythic+. Does anyone have experience on both that has an opinion? To be clear, I kinda like playing both and already cut out the tanks im not considering.

[lusty grotto]

WuE trinkets, WuE tier

i like it

[coarse lynx]

That's not very helpful, as I like both, and was hoping for some perspective.

[sick sentinel]

whos got that "TAKE LESS DAMAGE " build

cause your boy is getting CLAPPED

[ancient reef]

whats the raid build again

[pallid quiver]

The given build is the take less damage build.

The only other kind of build attempts to utilize BSV, but you give up a lot of taking less damage to take it, so

[hardy snow]

But it's personal. I like warrior more than druid, but someone may like druid more than warrior. It's only up to you what you like more. We can't tell what is your preference.

[lusty grotto]

preferential at best

i played all tanks except brew

but im a one-trick prot so

thats what im gonna lean to

[tribal wharf]

im getting clapped by large server qeue

[lusty grotto]

get a bigger shield

i dont know what they were expecting, this is the prot warrior channel

[sick sentinel]

idk man

[lusty grotto]

everyone thats gonna be active is gonna be playing prot

[sick sentinel]

i feel like im taking a lot of damage

so

[lusty grotto]

in what

[sick sentinel]

m0

[lusty grotto]

what ilvl is your shield

[sick sentinel]

571 because im an absolute GAMER

Duh

[lusty grotto]

well thats why

im not memeing you dude

get a better shield or upgrade it

shield is by far, the biggest prot warrior defensive upgrade

its not even close

[tribal wharf]

im a MLG

what with 3 lvl 80s

bitches got nothin on me

[sick sentinel]

okay

ill upgrade it

heard

i cant believe ur telling me the shield I got from PVP isnt good in pve

[tribal wharf]

nah, my paladin is550, and my dk is 520

[pallid quiver]

Shield is your single biggest impact gear wise on your survival, and it's only based on ilvl

As shield is your only source of block value, which increases with ilvl

[tribal wharf]

shield is actual literal vital to this spec

[lusty grotto]

i mean it could be, if its upgraded so pve ilvl is high

[tribal wharf]

has to be always repaired and pointed to enemies

[sick sentinel]

okayt nmy shield is 580 now

im a gamer now

[robust urchin]

not 606

Lmao enjoy getting your cheeks clapped like a sorority girl in her freshman year

[vocal flame]

not horrible

[rigid yew]

Don't threaten me with a good time

[robust urchin]

A/s/l?

[vocal flame]

dude that fire boss is a bitch, i actually solod the last 5% of the end one

[rigid yew]

🤣

[mellow quartz]

When you equip all the highest ilvl gear you just got and go down to 10% haste 😦

[lusty grotto]

happens

[fossil glade]

are there any BiS Lists in this discord for prot gear

[grizzled kite]

@fossil glade https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

[fossil glade]

thanks brotha

[lusty grotto]

yes in both wowhead and icyveins

[coarse lynx]

Oh I understand that, I was trying to get a perspective on others preferences and why. Just trying to get a bigger view of something I'm conflicted on.

[neon elk]

I prefer war over druid because war has more acces to CDs, and u have actual tmogs

[shell atlas]

What exactly is up with delves? I don't get why certain mobs in different delves are basically a death sentence and the "mechanic" they want you to use to get by so cheesey, ie, get the chargers in the underkeep to run through certain mobs for them to die, but the mobs are casters and don't want to move, and chunk for like 60% of my hp :/

[vocal flame]

Yeah the casters are tough haha

[shell atlas]

For gearing, is it really ilvl >> everything? So would I want to give an item that is haste/crit for something like vers/mast? Just due to ~10 ilvl?

[lone eagle]

Pretty much ilvl over everything and the secondaries will even out

And then once you are making small upgrades you can start priotizing haste

[shell atlas]

So really only look at secondaries for items of close ilvl?

[lone eagle]

and rings/necks arguably

primary stat is king but rings/necks don't have primary

I'd still say ilvl wins if big enough, but I'd probably prefer well statted rings that are 626 vs bad statted 639s if all else was equal and I needed haste

Depends on sims though

[shell atlas]

So helm prob worth the swap, but not as certain on like the neck?

[coarse lynx]

good point

[lone eagle]

ye, although honestly you're low enough gear where it doesn't really matter

but yeah, generally

[soft plume]

highest st dps build?

[lusty grotto]

its in the guides

just pick the colossus version

full execute

[shell atlas]

Meaning the seconday stats or something else?

[lusty grotto]

ilvl > all

replace low ilvl with big ilvl

[neon elk]

So whats the strat ? Do delves first then all m0s? Or vice versa ?

[lusty grotto]

yes its ilvl > everything

especially if the track is higher than the other one

you shouldnt even have to think when you compare vet with adventurer (pick vet), or champ vs ver (pick champ)

always the higher track

always the higher ilvl

[shell atlas]

Okay.

[lusty grotto]

secondary stats are never worth the loss of strength/armor/stam

[dusky summit]

sorry if this was asked, but is the wax plate trinket really bad? i got a 603 of it 😦

[lusty grotto]

its fine if you have nothing better

its effect is dogshit

[shell atlas]

Thanks. The gearing here is a bit different from what i'm used to on EQ2 TLEs.

[lusty grotto]

idk what that is

but im an EQ1 vet

before i joined wow in vanilla

so im guessing eq2 is everquest2?

gearing can vary from class to class, though to be fair i havent see anything other than ilvl> all

[shell atlas]

Yea. Played it lot between ~04 and 2010/11, then been off and on Time Locked Expansion servers since 2017

Finally got fed up with the devs there though.

[lusty grotto]

i never touched eq2

[soft plume]

we just hit the demolish when it glows? never played colusses b4

[lusty grotto]

yes

[soft plume]

kk ty

[lusty grotto]

you will need to manage rage a bit more

no IPing constantly

reserve rage for revenge

revenge trucks

colossus is basically Legion Prot

so rage management is a bit harder than DF/Thane

using IP as a rage dump is no longer a prio with it

im sure both wowhead and icyveins have the prio you need to do

[neon elk]

Is meathook trinket that good for us because its just too strong , or they forget to reduce tank dmg on it ?

[lusty grotto]

all trinkets have reduced tank dmg

that doesnt mean anything

[bleak breach]

Provides nothing defensively just hits hard

[lusty grotto]

if it sims high af

[neon elk]

Ye thats what im asking, so its just still way stronger than rest dps ones

[lusty grotto]

yes, even nerfed

also it drops as tank loot spec so

technically

it might not even be "nerfed"

but again, even if it did, if the sims numbers are higher than anything else, and the sims do take this into account, then youd still use it for big threat and damage

[proper roost]

how'd your raid go nim

[lusty grotto]

we cleared normal

[proper roost]

nice

any heroic? any drops?

[lusty grotto]

2/8

no drops just a champ 1 hander from queen that nobody wanted

[proper roost]

that's still

isn't that like a 610?

[lusty grotto]

606

[proper roost]

lets gooo free 16 ilvl

now you can do t8 delves with me

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what champ track maxes out at

[proper roost]

😃

right now!

[lusty grotto]

give me a few lol

[proper roost]

i got like 6 pieces from three m0s

gained a whopping 2 ilvl

[neon elk]

Ye but if it in fact isnt nerfed , they might nerf it soon and it will lose a lot of power , so its not worth to farm it ( upcoming week mostly)

[lusty grotto]

619 is the cap for champ

[proper roost]

that's good

[lusty grotto]

theres nothing worth farming until next week, thats correct

but honestly i dont think meathook is gonna get nerfed

[neon elk]

Hope so , i want at least something rather than just stat sticks

[proper roost]

why

[neon elk]

They nerfed dps trinket yet tank ones are still shiet

[proper roost]

statstick trinkets own

[neon elk]

They sre boring tho

Like ye if it sims better im gona use it

[proper roost]

i frankly don't see what would make an onuse trinket you macro into spear or something be any more interesting

[soft plume]

kk IP less, revenge more, are we rocking the st colussus build for every raid boss?

[edgy bone]

i got both these but theyre both on use. wowhead says they're BiS but how do we use them?

[slim current]

nerl'athekk

am i supposed to kill the adds or focus on him

[neon elk]

Idk wht would i bind 2min cd into 1.5min but w/e .

We had some interesting on use ones in past , or even some good tank ones , that were way more satysfing to press than just slap stack stick

[forest spruce]

any news on some safe crafts

[meager abyss]

is it dumb to craft with a 597 omen spark?

[violet flume]

how is damage intake feeling for prot war in M0s? i did 2 on my prot paladin and i feel like im getting my shit pushed in lol, especially grim batol

cant help but feel my mighty warrior wouldnt have flinched

[south zealot]

besides very few specific danger packs

nothing hurts

[violet flume]

heh

[ancient reef]

im caught offguard with how fast ip goes poof

[violet flume]

thats waht i get for betraying the good old chad class

[violet ginkgo]

balakar khan! reflect all of those conductive

[lofty warren]

has anyone figured out how to do world boss world quest?

[drifting fable]

you have to clear all the trash around the area and escort the 3 shredders

[lofty warren]

i did and i am 3/3 and then i killed the boss
and its still on map'

[rustic ginkgo]

How's this one rating? Lot of stam and secondary stats to lose

[jagged gust]

That looks goddamn awful

[rustic ginkgo]

Thought so 😦

[oak ivy]

Is spell block able to reduce the magic aspect of Sikran's tank swap?

It's on the spreadsheet but crossed out so unsure

[soft plume]

for mountain thane even in single target do u just thunder clap literally as much as possible?

might use try mountain thane on the council fight

[shell atlas]

Anyone solo'd T8 Waterworks delve yet? Last boss seems undoable to me

[oak ivy]

Rotate tf out of those defensives big dog

I got it done, been a couple hours so couldnt tell you exactly what the strat was

[shell atlas]

Well gotta reset it now :9

[lusty grotto]

waxface?

[shell atlas]

Yea

[lusty grotto]

whats killing you

i wasnt taking enormous damage on it

[shell atlas]

The fire attack, burn off or something? Even standing in poison to consume just seems to be more dmg than I can handle / recover from

[lusty grotto]

are you standing in the thing so the poison doesnt lower your health?

[shell atlas]

The air?

[lusty grotto]

the totems

[shell atlas]

Ya

[south zealot]

hardest boss in the delves

kinda just have to thug it

take second wind

[lusty grotto]

weird

[jagged gust]

Spell block works for the aoe fire ability

[lusty grotto]

i guess that makes sense, i was using spell block quite a bit

[jagged gust]

Yeah had to rotate SpB > SR > Wall > SR

Still not enough defensives to cover every cast but enough to keep you up

[analog sparrow]

Is it worth using carved crests on M0 gear? I'm thinking no but I honestly can't figure out how m1-3 works

[jagged gust]

Wait maybe I should have opened with SR > Wall for the CDR

[slim current]

cant finish skittering breach 8 at 585 ilvl

last boss fucks me

[kind glen]

Is the Wax trinket from Delves any good?

[jagged gust]

the on use haste one?

[kind glen]

flat dr

[jagged gust]

Oh, no

[lusty grotto]

@south zealot what classes have you cleared heroic with?

[kind glen]

in my mind i wanted it to be

[lusty grotto]

are you playing all melees?

its a good strength bump at least so use it

[south zealot]

none

[lusty grotto]

the effect is dogshit, the strength isnt

[south zealot]

raid tomorrow

[lusty grotto]

oh

what classes you running with?

[kind glen]

yeah it rolled with leech, gonna make it a leech stat stick lmao

[shell atlas]

Wow.

[lusty grotto]

spell block

like will said

im about to rerun them soon, so i will confirm

[south zealot]

2x warrior 1x ww

[lusty grotto]

idk if its me but the fights are pretty aids for melee

[shell atlas]

Spell block deals with it for one iteration. So I just die to the 2nd one now even running in poison during Burn Away.

[lusty grotto]

i kind of like them but maybe my opinion will change

[shell atlas]

running solo for what its worth

[lusty grotto]

wall for the other one

he doesnt do it that often, wall should be up for every one

you can also outrange it

so leaping out

but im pretty sure he follows you

[vivid orchid]

he does not follow

[lusty grotto]

might just make a few ticks not hit you, so it might help a bit

[vivid orchid]

can confirm

[lusty grotto]

i see

[vivid orchid]

range is something like 15-20y

[jagged gust]

I had no idea

[vivid orchid]

maybe a bit more i dont quite remember

[jagged gust]

I ate every single one

[vivid orchid]

(in anycase i didnt feel like i took too much damage from it)

[lusty grotto]

i swear it didnt feel like anything and he did just one

[jagged gust]

Nah it's super frequent

Like I was rotating defensives because I couldn't SR every time

[shell atlas]

Whelp. Giving up for now since I just awated 5 lives on him again :/

Yall keeping B rann as DPS or going heal?

[jagged gust]

I grabbed 3 totems and stacked them in a circle, gives you a lot of room to maneuver

[graceful kite]

please tell me its good

[jagged gust]

Brann heals are non existent

[graceful kite]

because my first was the tank trinket

[south zealot]

just sim it lol

its not great

[jagged gust]

free ilvl!

[lusty grotto]

[shell atlas]

@lusty grotto Did you solo it earlier and at what rough ilvl?

[cosmic dagger]

Morning, tell me guys how hard is M0 ? Need to work all day long QQ

[urban portal]

the real question is do you stun yourself in sims

im assuming not but who knows

[jagged gust]

Nerubian Threadmancers are a fucking menace

[rustic ginkgo]

If you struggle on waxface take Brann healer, was a joke after I swapped him from DPS

[proper roost]

bruh I did all 4 bountiful delves

opened all the chests

no map

😐 blizzard!!!

[pallid quiver]

It's a 4% drop chance per non-key chest

[proper roost]

no shot

[pallid quiver]

So that's actually not too unexpected

[proper roost]

that's crazy

[pallid quiver]

It's 0.12% for chests not in bountiful delves

[proper roost]

is it still once per week tho

at most

ugh maybe i'll get one tomorrow

[south zealot]

3 per week

[proper roost]

no...........

[round cliff]

im gettin fucking trucked in t7 delves

idk if im somehow forgetting to push shield block but my hp bar goes brrrrr not in a good way

[pallid quiver]

are you getting hit by spells

if yes

that's why

if not,

what ilvl is your shield

[round cliff]

i pressed shield block! :(

[proper roost]

I suspect a bunch of mob spell damage goes off % hp or something like that idk

[lusty grotto]

im doing t8s with 558 ilvl alts

[jagged gust]

one pack at a time, and pull solo when you can

[proper roost]

it does seem to do a lot more tank dmg than I expect

[round cliff]

spell block*

i pressed spell block

[jagged gust]

Spellweavers are hitting me for like 2.5mil per cast, T8 delves hurt

[round cliff]

my shield only 571 tho

[pallid quiver]

That can be miffy on T8, but shouldn't be a problem if you're stopping casts

[round cliff]

it feels like im immortal when fighting melee and die instantly to spells

prot war moment?

[proper roost]

me when the shadowstepping mob with instant cast 1M damage

just needs to have their cast stopped

[pallid quiver]

No, the spells are just tuned extremely high

They can almost one-shot DPS/Heals

[proper roost]

yall dont know about the sinkhole damage yet

you will know

😔

[round cliff]

yea i cant get a better shield cuz im fury main pretending to play prot for fast queues and delves

[pallid quiver]

Prot War can actually reduce them extremely well, and can also reflect most casts

[round cliff]

i can only spell reflect/shockwave/storm bolt/intim shout so hard

[pallid quiver]

You can also optimize your defensive uptime by uising them later into a cast, so they can cover more casts. Also, when using spell block, you still have to face the mob

And a lot of them can get behind you

[tropic tangle]

reflect and regular interrupts can get you far so long as you're not pulling more than 2 casters

[round cliff]

some of these kobold packs just be like 2 casters 4 melee and an elite

[tropic tangle]

yeah, packs in waterworks seemed kinda bad sometimes

[pallid quiver]

also, brann in DPS can simply solve the HP bloat some enemies have

since he has a chance to just set enemies to dead when they're in his execute range

[tropic tangle]

but if you reflect one of the first casts, that dude should be like 1/2 HP, so you can knock him out quickly

yeah, I haven't even played with that, just been running him as heals

[round cliff]

brann dps trucks

[pallid quiver]

brann as dps actually becomes cracked if he isn't just dead for some reason

[round cliff]

only time brann has ever died for me is if he kills himself w/ rage idol

[pallid quiver]

I was playing with I think either Ghash or my mage friend earlier, and he just got sent to 50% HP out of combat

We were just looting, and he just starts having a heart attack

old age gettin' to 'im

[round cliff]

😔

all that gouda

[drifting juniper]

does anyone have the charge intervene macro

the mouse over one

that i can get

thx

[south zealot]

in the guide

[drifting juniper]

where in the guide?

[jagged gust]

under macros

[drifting juniper]

this macro doesnt change its icon based on my mouse over like old one

[graceful kite]

I did all delves was alright

I brought a warlock to speed things up tho

[south zealot]

dont know anything about that

but it changing icons doesnt matter

[slim current]

How did you beat nerlathekk. I’m killing the adds then getting fuckef when he drops a void pool on an add spawn and end up dying with 2-3 adds up cuz the pools don’t fucking go away

[jagged gust]

I'll let you know once I'm finished, just walking in to there now

[round cliff]

dont drop pools on adds

simple as

when hes about to pool, put it in the middle

[onyx sandal]

let Bran dps them until shield drops and then they come to the boss

if positioning gets too dicey

and then in the meantime just make sure you have defensives up if he's empowered

[slim current]

❤️

[round cliff]

can u guide brann to dps something specific?

or is he smart enough to target em on his own

i thought i saw him snipe them

[onyx sandal]

he seems smart enough

he always dps'd them down when they were up but there's no priority button you can user to cotrol him as far as i know

[lusty grotto]

ez

was 560 when i started

😄

running next toon tomorrow

that last one get that toon a ring from 541 to 603 lmao

[proper roost]

i'm 592

if i get a single trinket tomorrow

i'll be like 595

trinket situation is dire

[peak bobcat]

Is it possible to do delves+7 with a level 70 toon?

[pallid quiver]

I'm pretty sure you need to be cap to even enter T4

[warm bloom]

is it better to solo delves in regards to scaling group difficulty

[lusty grotto]

shrug i did it with 2 people

that toon was 560

[edgy bone]

i did t11 with two people at 580 iLvl

[lusty grotto]

and its a vdh

[edgy bone]

one tank, one hunter dps, and brann as dps

[warm bloom]

did you do solo t11, if you did was it harder easier or the same

[edgy bone]

did with two people

[onyx sandal]

soloing delves seems much harder at the higher tier levels. The extra people helps with CC, interrupts, bursting prio mobs

[autumn pawn]

does t11 reward more than 603 ilvl?

[shy python]

Healer and me (Tank) rushed through 7 and 8 like it was Legacy content. Didn't felt if there was any Scaling at all.

[shy python]

T9-11 is only cosmetic.

[edgy bone]

t11 just shows how much of a man you are

[sweet summit]

what if I don't want to be a man 🤨 do i have to skip it?

[shy python]

Thought the reward is a Void airship Mount?

[edgy bone]

doesnt seem taht way

[pallid quiver]

The mount is for clearing the tier 12 delve,

Zekir's delve, the final boss one

[jagged gust]

So now I gotta kill him twice?

lame

[proper roost]

hope you're sitting down, I'm about to tell you how many times you'll be killing the same m+ bosses for the next few months

[graceful kite]

you can swap some of them to crabs tho

[jagged gust]

Hah jokes on you, I just raid log and get my portals halfway through the season in one fell swoop

[pallid quiver]

oh

i just realized earthen are mega nerfed in delves; they can't get the 5% primary stat buff from brann's food

[edgy bone]

lul

[jagged gust]

how do you get brann to spawn a feast?

[pallid quiver]

getting his or your ass kicked

just jump down a few cliffs

[jagged gust]

oh fantastic, should come in handy tomorrow

Im always trying to playing the game in hard mode apparently

[tawny void]

anyone have numbers on this trinket?

[lusty grotto]

2579 strength is the number

the rest doesnt matter

[tawny void]

that bad?

[jagged pier]

yes

we dont care about armour at all

it only reduces physical damage

we already do that far too well

[tawny void]

also dont see anything about these on any guides/bloodmallet

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

For a reason

;}

[jagged pier]

all imma say is, those arent tome

[tawny void]

-_- 3 wasted coffer keys

[shy python]

Did you solo Zekvir?

[lusty grotto]

you cant do zekvir yet

[strong forum]

Not entirely wasted as it's saved crests

But yeah that sucks

[lusty grotto]

you need to complete this shit before you can even try Zevkir

thats the 13th delve

says so right here

[round cliff]

if theres 2 casters in a delves pack should i just like

chain storm bolt/shockwave/intim one of them

make it die

ig i dont have to cuz spell reflect

🤔

[hollow sphinx]

whzere do i start delves?

[jagged pier]

u go to the delves and do them

[shy python]

Ohh!

Are there 4 epic delves per day or per week?

[jagged pier]

a day

[graceful kite]

From what % of haste can I switch to ITF?

[jagged pier]

40% unbuffed

good luck getting there this season

[graceful kite]

Life sucks

[crimson furnace]

1st tier 8 of the day!!

lets goooo

[jagged pier]

gz

[sweet summit]

holy hell star W

[hollow sphinx]

are there any delves we should prefere?

[jagged pier]

well u can only get gear from bountiful delves

and u only want to spend the keys in tier 8 or higher

bountiful delves are the oones on the map with the glowy doors

[hollow sphinx]

ok i gotta get into that 😄

currently lvl 4 delves

ahhh, so, but first of all, i should level my delv to 8 and then go for those bountie delves?

[jagged pier]

yes

[hollow sphinx]

so leveling on "non glowy" delves.

[jagged pier]

well u cna lvl on glowy doors just dont open the chest

at the end with your key

[vague abyss]

average delve 8 run, damn i love prot warrior so much

[hollow sphinx]

are there worldq were i do get keys, not shards?

[jagged pier]

the weeklies give keys

[vague abyss]

i think keys come from chests, whose comes from weeklies

the shards is the world quest equivalent

i do wonder, at what point do we start using enchantments and gems? on champion gear?

[jagged pier]

dont have any chapmion gear and i already do

[vague abyss]

idk the "missing enchants" things are taunting me, but i would hate having to pay 20k for an enchant just to replace it tomorrow

[jagged pier]

that is up to u

[south zealot]

just don’t do it

[sweet summit]

is this narcissisus or whatever itcalled

[shy python]

No Narcissus looks different

[hollow dove]

So the trinket from the delves (reinforced wax plating) is just trash right? 25k damage reduction is nothing

[vague abyss]

ToxiUi

[sullen wadi]

What is the easiest delve to level up to level 8 on ?

[sweet summit]

cool thanks

[jagged pier]

yes

[violet ginkgo]

Pick the one nearest you while you doing 10 world quests

[pallid quiver]

Tak Abyss' current scenario goes very fast

[olive wolf]

first 2 delves +8, not so bad i guess

[graceful kite]

whats polyvalence, versatility?

[olive wolf]

yes ^^

[plucky wyvern]

do we still always stick to battle stance and go defensive just for big hits?

[molten gorge]

is this really bad btw? haven't seen it on the wowhead guide so assume it's terrible

[vague abyss]

we dont spend our spark yet right?

[fickle coyote]

Big brains! I need your aid! How does tempered phial interact with alchemical chaos flask? Since alchemical chaos is no specific stat, does tempered phial give all 4 secondaries making it more powerfull, or does it change with alchemical chaos changing stat, only giving 3 still?

If it makes tempered potion give all 4 secondaries, would make alchemical chaos flask pretty bonkerzzz

[plucky wyvern]

anyone got an idea what stance is our default now?

is battle stance still worth?

[lofty warren]

def stance basically always

unless you doing easy af stuff

[pallid quiver]

It's 3% crit, with can be a decent upgrade in damage. You should continue to treat Battle as your default and swap to Defensive Stance as necessary so that you can continue to think about how damage is coming in.

Give you the benefit of also a free bit of damage.

[remote tusk]

is kinda funge on last ara-kara boss

[graceful kite]

classic warrior tech

as was bladestorm

[rigid hull]

how much do u think hero BOEs will go for in ah @strong forum

[waxen frigate]

Why would you ping him for that lmao

He’s not an economist

[echo egret]

« Stupid prices » is my best bet.

[rigid hull]

i got a hero head

cloth

mastery haste

surely goes for alot?

[rigid hull]

i dont know people in here tbh

except a few

[waxen frigate]

It’s not something anyone can really know lol

It’s variable

You can probably check liquid/echo/method discords depending on region

Those guilds often buy boes early on

[compact nymph]

What items would we craft first and what embelisment? Or should we still wait with crafting

[hoary pivot]

catalyst charge is probably best spent on a hero track piece right? which only drop from hc raid or the vault?

[graceful kite]

check the pins

[graceful kite]

You should wait atleast till the next week

In case you get a tier piece/great piece for converting in your vault

basically try using catalyst as a way to complete you 4p

[jade tartan]

Does the Delver's Bounty use itself when you finish any Tier 8 ?

Should you use it on a Bountiful or in a non-bountiful or it doesn matter?

[eager phoenix]

look at map for each zone. 1 delve in each zone every day has like a glowing arch around it. this one is flagged as bountiful. run it on t8 and use your key on the chest at the end

[hollow sphinx]

t8 is ilvl max?

[inland raft]

Ya after that just cosmetics

So i didnt get to play yesterday, wife aggro, how far behind the zoomers am i already lol

[cosmic slate]

Better quit already

[green bronze]

got map halfway through my delve today, in the end got 603 trinket from bountiful chest and immediately that same trinket in a map chest(610)

[vocal flame]

Gotta love how in the stone vault blizzard decided to put fire on the vents so you can’t see which one to stand on.

Seeing some really bad trinkets in delves lol. Better idea to open it in arms or doesn’t matter?

[next burrow]

anyone else getting this message saying " not your preferred armour type" when equipping a new shield?

[waxen frigate]

I did get that

[fallow nova]

I guess we're supposed to be slamming folks with Intellect off-hands.

[chilly brook]

If you’re in a good group you likely get 2 pc this week anyways

So you use it as a way to complete 4p

[queen sentinel]

has there been any upddate on sparks?

[languid sigil]

🤔 What to craft if I obtained a sick shield from delves

[chilly brook]

How high can you craft rn? And what ilvl is the shield you got?

[languid sigil]

Got a 606 shield that goes to 619

I had BS Shield skilled to get a guaranteed rank 5 with that

Other things that come with that are Chest and Legs since they benefit from Large Plate Armor perk too, which I can also craft rank 5, but wouldnt make sense since I want those slots to be tier

The only other thing I can craft are boots, but rank 4 max which would be 602

[chilly brook]

Rn it doesn’t hurt to just not craft anything

Shield eventually you’ll want a myth track

So ultimately seems like a pretty costly craft for something that’ll get replaced

[graceful kite]

If you don't get a shield in your vault you should craft a shield

If you have a shield craft a weapon or consult wowhead guide

nome wrote it I think so should be good

[jade panther]

gotta love the delves xD

Got another delvers bounty on my 4th

[strong forum]

extremely lucky

[jade panther]

guessed so as none of my mates got a single bounty out of our runs

[molten gorge]

nobody @ me

[jade panther]

sheesh

[tulip warren]

awesome 👏

[hollow sphinx]

worth upgrading?

[languid sigil]

I got a 606 weapon already though 🤷‍♂️

And might get an upgrade (if lucky) from the raid later

[graceful kite]

are you the annie fuchsia's tank?

unrelated question

[languid sigil]

I actually am ye

LOL

[graceful kite]

I remember you from emerald nightmare raids

[languid sigil]

Damn that was years ago, good times, but had to take a long bread during nighthold due to IRL stuff. But thats a topic that dont belong in this channel haha

So does that mean I am eventually free to craft anything with at least 1 spark?

[analog sparrow]

You can go the whole season without getting a shield in your vault

[robust urchin]

Hey shawty wanna tank some m0s for me aha

[molten gorge]

[waxen frigate]

Shawty wanna fuck

[molten gorge]

(I don't press shield block)

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/rocks-tuesday-gif-27694164

[chilly brook]

Brother the first boss in the raid drops a shield

[analog sparrow]

The vast majority of people don't touch mythic raids though.

[tribal wharf]

i mean, the vast majority of college people arent going to become a doctor

[chilly brook]

The vast majority of people don’t need max ilvl gear what’s your point?

Saying that you can go the whole season without obtaining a myth track shield is silly if someone is actually doing content

First mythic boss should be easily puggable a few weeks in if not by like week 2

[waxen frigate]

If you’re worried about needing a myth track shield you can pug the first boss mythic

[robust urchin]

IM ASKING YOU TO BOOST MY ALTS IN M0 AND YOURE LAUGHING?

[molten gorge]

I mean

you CAN

🤷‍♂️

no lies were told

[molten gorge]

Sorry bro

I'll make it up to you

[analog sparrow]

I'm just saying, telling people not to craft a 636 shield as soon as they're able to and then they strike out on getting a myth track shield for 4 weeks doesn't seem like the best advice

[robust urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/g4tv-aots-attack-of-the-show-g4-will-neff-gif-26381994

[chilly brook]

Highly dependent but crafting pieces is also fairly inefficient compared to just upgrading a piece

[molten gorge]

[fallow nova]

Just get the correct drops, duh.

skill issue

[chilly brook]

Highly unlikely

[tribal wharf]

upcoming reminder to never ever let attacks go through unblocked second boss of GB

saw piratesoftware thor get meleed for 9 million melee during swords

attacks that he WAS "blocking"? (i assume ironfur is basically like SB for druid) during the swords were still taking 20-30% hp per swing

[round pendant]

ironfur is not like shield block

[jagged gust]

Honestly every time I see bears tanking, I wonder how tf they're gonna be meta

HP looking like a yoyo 90% of the time

[tribal wharf]

its the primary almost spammable melee dmg incoming reduction

is what i mean by like sb not that they can block attack

BDK is extremely yoyo hp

[jagged gust]

yeah but that's intended

[coarse lynx]

Iron fur is no where as good as shield block. You need like five or six stacks to cap armor, at two or three stacks it's not much

[round pendant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW-os49HMnk

[jagged gust]

Armor DR starts to diminish greatly as soon as after 2 stacks

[coarse lynx]

But bear may meta in m+ cause of Mark and it's other uses

[chilly brook]

Idk how good their tier is

[round pendant]

pwar health bar barely moves, bdk health bar moves a lot

[jagged gust]

beeg incarn pulls basically

[chilly brook]

But honestly who cares

Just play the tank you want to play

[round pendant]

only thing that matters is not dying and doing big dam

[chilly brook]

^

[coarse lynx]

Their tier set bonus is also very good since it's basically 100 percent uptime on the dr

[jagged gust]

I saw the numbers and didn't even bother looking at our tier tbh

[coarse lynx]

But pwar is crazy, it's why I'm hearing a pwar while I main bear.

[chilly brook]

I don’t even know what the monk tier does

I’m just playing monkey because it’s fun

[coarse lynx]

If melee become meta then pwar is gonna be the best

[chilly brook]

[jagged gust]

[solemn zinc]

Is crafted wep and shield bis for prot?