protection

[lusty grotto]

no, you get suspended for those

[tribal wharf]

that gun was fucking over powered

[lusty grotto]

the cartels dont give a shit about silencing you

[graceful kite]

They report you for chat

[lusty grotto]

they want you banned

[plush tendon]

and obviously we going harrier, chopper gunner, nuke

[lusty grotto]

and suspended

[graceful kite]

first automated action is silence

that's how blizz system works

automated sanctions are week silence - one day ban - 7 day ban - 6 months

[lusty grotto]

if you say so

i wouldnt know

[tribal wharf]

those dudes love me since i tank all their dungeons

[lusty grotto]

that indeed is a list

[proper roost]

hmm

that's a weird copy paste

i was copy pasting this

Urban Scar-H Silencer, Spas-12 Grip, Sleight of Hand, Cold Blooded, Ninja

(this is me irl)

[tribal wharf]

prolly copy paste to his wife about remodeling the kitchen

[proper roost]

🥷

[tribal wharf]

thats what it looked like

[lusty grotto]

great observation yogi

[tribal wharf]

about the ppl getting 25 reknown with a bug and then getting banned fuck about and find out

[lusty grotto]

indeed fuck around and find out

[tribal wharf]

play with fire, fire gunna burn u

[graceful kite]

they exploited like 5 more things

[lusty grotto]

rest in piss you wont be missed

[plush tendon]

thats a MW2 load out

ya goober

[toxic pewter]

thats me

[proper roost]

Yeah and

[plush tendon]

[proper roost]

Fight or kiss idiot.

[lusty grotto]

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

no kissies?

how dare

[clever loom]

Hi, wowhead guide has this macro, I don't understand it, I currently use IP when I have 70+ rage.
Can someone explain? thanks

[lusty grotto]

what dont you understand

that macro replaces your IP

not your shield slam

[tribal wharf]

yogi tier list for cod4 guns

[lusty grotto]

you keep using your shield slam button

[clever loom]

this makes use IP really often, not only when I'm at 70 rage, won't I run out of rage, for example on pulls?

[lusty grotto]

you dont use that macro to shield slam

you use it ONLY to IP

[clever loom]

mmmh

[lusty grotto]

you need a separate shield slam bind

[clever loom]

but why do we have shield slam in this macro then ?

[lusty grotto]

to snipe procs

thats why its called "Snipe Macro"

[clever loom]

sorry I also don't understand Snipe here

[mighty valley]

sometimes your brain will be too slow to react to a shield slam reset and you press thunderclap or whatever instead

[lusty grotto]

shield slam can proc from devastates

[mighty valley]

with this, sometimes you'll catch those because you press IP

[tribal wharf]

sniping the gcd to use IP faster im pretty sure

[lusty grotto]

this macro just makes sure you instantly use a shield slam that procced while you were IPing, or before

hence "sniping"

aka using the a proc that came up during

[clever loom]

ohhh

[lusty grotto]

does that make sense?

[clever loom]

it does; thanks a lot

[lusty grotto]

no problem

[dawn coral]

Servers up? I’m at work but dipping when it is

[mighty valley]

expected 11am pst

but who knows, could go beyond that

[dawn coral]

Tyty

[mellow quartz]

servers are up

[toxic pewter]

servers are up

[mellow quartz]

lets go 30min early

[toxic pewter]

aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

dont know where to start

[mellow quartz]

delves

[toxic pewter]

ok

may do the lfr raid rq

and world boss

area 52 shitting the bed as usual

[rain light]

lfr is next week

[tribal wharf]

ah my dk has terrible mog again

[toxic pewter]

oh I thought 1st wing lfr today.. oof

[proper roost]

how about u start by touching some grass nerd...

[toxic pewter]

i will walk my dog soon

i will tough a single blade of grass

[tribal wharf]

ill do world boss on my warrior not get shit

then get something on paladin

watch

100%

[toxic pewter]

yogi are u in area 52

[proper roost]

I thought I vaguely remembered him being on some dead server

That might just be nimchip actually idk

[lusty grotto]

yeah im arthas

on*

[toxic pewter]

wait yea lfr wing 1 is open

[rain light]

oh hm

[proper roost]

I hope you get something good yogi

we gotta do +10 this week for vault

[rain light]

m+ is next week

[proper roost]

next week*

[rain light]

looks cool

[last kayak]

Is it worth doing hc dungeons now ?

[proper roost]

now? 🤨

[digital thunder]

heroics now locked behind 571 gear. how do i get there now that if i queue normal i only get 558 gear the fuck?

[lusty grotto]

do world quests

and the first 5 quests after the campaign skip give decent gear as well

[mighty valley]

heroics have basically become m0s from pre-s4

[proper roost]

I love righteous indignation

[last kayak]

Aight, so just chill til next week ig

for m+

[mighty valley]

you can form groups for m0

[warm plinth]

They buffed heroics?

[graceful kite]

ilvl yea

difficulty not sure

[proper roost]

I mean it depends what ilvl you are

If you're like 560 (fresh 80) you're going to have a real bad time in +2s

they buffed all keystone levels significantly since S4 DF, it's not like it was before where +2s are just straight up soloable on launch

[last kayak]

mb didn't realise m0 came tomorrow

tyty

[proper roost]

hm

[lusty grotto]

also remember there are 3 ilvl 583 pieces from renown

shoulders, helm, chest respectively from the first 3 reps

if youre gearing an alt

[last kayak]

Very nice

[lusty grotto]

if youre fresh its rougher

[warm plinth]

At what renown

[lusty grotto]

i dont even know

but i could get all 3 on my 5 chars

i just transferred crystals between them

[warm plinth]

I'll probably still not be there by expansion end lul

[lusty grotto]

im not past 10 renown so

around that

[proper roost]

It's very low

6 for the first one (dornogal or w/e?)

7 for the other 2 (hallowfall, ringing deeps)

I barely did any rep stuff and even I was able to buy them

also it's 584 ackshually 🤓 ☝️

[lusty grotto]

[proper roost]

anyways you guys hear about the delve map rumor

is it true or just yappin

[lusty grotto]

youngdip gonna be happy

will hit that skip

reliably

[proper roost]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BRYqmy99-rE

[dawn coral]

?

[lusty grotto]

probably 13th delve related

[tribal wharf]

im thinking about running lfr

[lusty grotto]

why think

just do it, theres tier pieces to collect

[frosty holly]

You mean the maps that give you 610 gear? I know there are map at least. Seeing guild has a few that says T3 on them. So i figure you just have to get lucky/farm to get them in T8

[echo egret]

@shut summit
Should say Reflectable I guess ?

[rain light]

whoops messed up one bountiful delve already

didnt realize even if you dont loot the chest at the end, it still goes away

[tribal wharf]

gunna test it

so far so good for me today

[vocal flame]

Yogi how are the 0's? are they difficult?

[tribal wharf]

havent tried them im looking at lfr

[proper roost]

he's not doing 0s he's doing delves rn

right

🙈

right...

[tribal wharf]

nah im not doing much of anything just whatever happens i guess

[proper roost]

yogi..... right...

Madge

[tribal wharf]

nop

[rain light]

eh..

[vocal flame]

ah ok the trinket i thought might have been from one of the dungeons

[rigid hull]

can i turn off glow on a specific spell?

[strong forum]

dont think so

not without addons

[gentle pier]

what will you guys omen craft first?

[strong forum]

depends what i get from raid and vault

[gentle pier]

fair

[proper roost]

i can now flame nimchip for pressing spear->ravager in real time

we really made it.

[vocal flame]

haha

[tribal wharf]

gnash really bad apparently

[proper roost]

Ok nvm apparently you really want to solo delves, doing as group in t8 is monka scaling maybe

[graceful kite]

I think should be fine as 2man

[twilit burrow]

Is there any real point to simming for tanking?

[graceful kite]

Is there a tank sim?

But the answer is no anyways

[frosty holly]

As in sim for survivability?

[graceful kite]

You sim for damage, all stats also have defensive benefits

[strong forum]

The same point as for dps

[proper roost]

lmao

good launch

[proper roost]

why are u staying tho yogi

just do it tomorrow when it's fixed

[tribal wharf]

i wanted to see where the bug was occuring

its after you take the flight path and then take a 1 way taxi up to a platform

[mellow quartz]

i'll take it I guess

btw the delve Fungal Folly can fuck right off

[vocal flame]

is that out of a delve?

[lusty grotto]

whats the bug? is it LFR?

[mellow quartz]

delve tier 8

[tranquil pumice]

ara kara is broken yo

[vocal flame]

damn thats nice did you solo it? how was it?

[mellow quartz]

that delve is the poison one

those blow up plant things

the suck

died once when it 1 shot be blowing up

otherwise easy enough if you just go slow solo

[strong forum]

Yeah the blowy fucks suck

I really hope it's easy for my other chars

Cuz they can't tank

[mellow quartz]

literally 100-0

also not sure if its a tier 8 thing but when they get to 0 you have almost no time to get out before they blow

[vocal flame]

activate them and just walk out and they stand still at least they dont follow you

ooo the timer changed interesting

yeah that sucks then

[proper roost]

just kite them 😏

[mellow quartz]

last boss in water works trucks btw

that AOE fire damage he does is a lot of dam

[proper roost]

just press spell reflect 😏

[mellow quartz]

when you die in a delve lust is reset lol

[warm bloom]

is there some new passive in TWW that is making it so that we interrupt spells without using pummel?

[rustic helm]

is the spark quest active?

[blazing condor]

carpal tunnel bros where you at

[mellow quartz]

in delves? brann does that

[warm bloom]

yea that might be it, don't think i've noticed it happen in dungeons

[lusty grotto]

not might

is

he even has a voice line when he kicks

[proper roost]

lol

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure you can also check interrupts in details

[proper roost]

he also keeps kicking spell reflected shit

which is really annoying!

[lusty grotto]

yes he does

that mfer

smh my head brann is no different than random pugs

[little torrent]

How is guardian so low? Arent people breaking they keyboards spammin iron fur?

[lusty grotto]

cause if youre an ironfur spammer

[blazing condor]

cus its all bound to scroll wheel

[lusty grotto]

you ragestarve

[neon elk]

U dont spam if that much outside of inc , and thats like 30sec every 2.5mins

[lusty grotto]

and then there's no more off-gcd actions

[little torrent]

Based

[lusty grotto]

so then you go down in APM for playing like an idiot

[neon elk]

But damn devoker just 34, bet u can play that with 1 hand and still perform

[tribal wharf]

ppal is more apm for worse tank

there i said it

[lusty grotto]

consecration spammers

its also high apm depending on resets

[tribal wharf]

my paladin is trash tho

[lusty grotto]

no resets = no apm

[tribal wharf]

i know at least 1 or 2 of u is a pladin from here

i think the main illegal thing i did is the spiral hammers

hes only 512 ilvl, nothing to write home about for gear

[proper roost]

aren't you supposed to be the other one

idk

prot pally isn't cool since they shot seraphim

[real fossil]

does anyone know what "damage reduction" means?

[lusty grotto]

take damage subtract that number

thats what it means

[real fossil]

pre or post mitigation

[lusty grotto]

who the fuck knows

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

its garbage

[plush tendon]

if you get 100 of them, youll be able to vendor them for a ring enchant

[lusty grotto]

hold up

if thats correct then its not garbage, ring enchant good

[proper roost]

damage reduction trinket

Gross

[lusty grotto]

static

damage reduction

trinket

[proper roost]

What are u a fucking coward. put on dps trinkets like the good god intended

[real fossil]

i got a shit bountiful delve drop idk what to tell ya

[proper roost]

tank loot spec.....

smh..

[warm plinth]

Is that number for real lol

25k

[lusty grotto]

yes lol

when is literalgarbage being updated

[shell atlas]

I guess I play my prot pally wrong then, cause prot war seems like I'm mashing stuff constantly, and the prot pally feels like 75% or 50% of the prot war speed for me.

[warm plinth]

How are they so bad at making tank trinkets

[lusty grotto]

well at least tome is decent

too bad its not in this season

[warm plinth]

That apm thing is outdated but pwar and ppal should still be pretty close. Outlaw is probably a bit lower now that AR got nerfed

[plush tendon]

gotta get a shield

[tribal wharf]

even with AH paladin is still trash, 557

[graceful kite]

Not as bad as making healer trinkets

[tribal wharf]

looks like a damn power ranger

[neon elk]

Auction house paladin?

[graceful kite]

How does pala have that much apm?

[graceful kite]

Umm

Youre posting ret not prot

[lusty grotto]

true

Dog posted sim APM

so naturally it'll be higher

here's a key

thats one of the best prot pallies in the world btw

otherwise known as

Andy

heres a similar key by a prot warrior

[elfin garden]

KEKW

[lusty grotto]

so take Sim APM as you will

(these are DF logs, hard to find good logs right now)

[proper roost]

that's prepatch tho

so it's

gonna be pretty off no

[lusty grotto]

lol not quite

s2/s3 keys

[proper roost]

oh god that's way off then

cuz your rage gen is way higher now than in df i'm pretty sure

well, I guess your haste is way way way lower

[lusty grotto]

yeah

apm is higher this time around

for both specs

anyway dog baited well with simc apm

😄

[mighty valley]

i never trust rogue apm since half the time it seems like logs attribute 20apm to "Combo Point"

[chrome falcon]

do we think we want the embellished shield

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

harrow

[lusty grotto]

hopefully that answers your question

[chrome falcon]

yeah just looking at the page now

tyty

[proper roost]

The year is 2029. We are on the launch week of The Last Titan. Every single shield embellish has been trash. Someone asks if the shield embellish is good

Quote me on this in 2029

[chrome falcon]

nah i assumed it would be trash when i saw the recipe was only 15k

but you never know

don't wanna be the dumbass running around without a 3% dps increase embellishment in case they actually make a good one eventually

[tribal wharf]

get a veteran trinket

it does dmg

it sucks ass

well, it will be good to spend crests on to lvl up other trinkets

i wanted the candle veteran tbh

[mellow quartz]

@strong forum might be something to the whole scaling thing

heroic to m0 feels quite a bit more than normal to heroics

[urban portal]

I think thats intended

[hexed moth]

Any news about emblishments

[urban portal]

There should be extra mechs too

[low bear]

All the scaling is a mess

Lol

[lusty grotto]

not a mess

thats how it should be

[mellow quartz]

he was saying the other people that people speculated scaling wasnt correct for the heroics in preseason

[lusty grotto]

hmm i havent tried heroics right now

but yeah would make sense

so instead of heroics being m0, it was what? heroic to heroic

i can see how the jump from heroic to m10 (or m0s right now) would be pretty big

but yeah i wouldnt doubt it was intentional

[mellow quartz]

they claimed heroics would feel like m0 but maybe they just missed on that

I have wiped twice in 2 dungeons with pugs in m0's so far on bosses both times to mechanics

like not knowing how to avoid pull in on last boss in ara kara and all the group getting 1 shot lol

[lusty grotto]

well tbf

we're not exactly geared

[dusky canopy]

Doing M0s in greens is perfectly normal

[proper roost]

i mean i think people are just forgetting how xpac launch feels

idk

but yeah i did anticipate people being like "i'm gonna step into +2 keys with 560 ilvl" and them getting blasted

i hope that is a thing next week

Prayge

[dusky canopy]

+12s day one

Imagine

[graceful kite]

+12s are for nerds

[dusky canopy]

🤓

[proper roost]

"i'm gonna do a +20 on day one"

• guys who did like two keys and then logged out

every season...........

[dawn coral]

Are y’all using bran to heal or dps

[tribal wharf]

dps mostly

still take millions of dmg and die even as prot

[dawn coral]

Shii I’ve been having him heal but hear he sucks at healing

That’s true

Tanked first m0 it’s funny how trivial heroics are to em

We wiped like 10 times on the last boss alone due to mechs

[remote tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-twitch-7tv-gif-18228911432715801849

[dawn coral]

Are-kara

[remote tusk]

this man dies as prot

[tribal wharf]

re roll dk incoming

dk is lvl 76

vampiric strike is really good

[plush tendon]

San Layn dumb

Deathbringer only

[frosty holly]

Dump both and give me horse for tank

I wana zoooom

[proper roost]

yeah idk kinda seems like they gutted bdk

[fallow mural]

yo has anyone tested Reinforced-Wax Padding?

[round pendant]

guys I have a hot take...

dragonriding is bad

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[fallow mural]

that's ok, you can turn it off

[round pendant]

That doesn't make it ok

[fallow mural]

why?

[fallow mural]

honestly, fair

running dps trinkets, but that dropped from theater bag

[plush tendon]

Hot take

[proper roost]

please don't mock me. I am fragile and weak

🥺

[plush tendon]

If anything, they went a little overboard with the extra buttons

[round pendant]

They design the game around players' abilities. I'm already anti-flying in general though

The zones have zero vibe in modern wow cause you just fly from a-b over and over and over again

Hallowfall bouta be the only memorable zone this expac because it has a giant fucking set piece (crystal) that you can't not notice

[proper roost]

what r the extra buttons

I played bdk from like mop through legion/a little bit of DF, you can't tell me that button overload exists for bdk

[plush tendon]

Consumption, bonestorm, reapers mark, soul reaper

[proper roost]

my optimal bdk still has 3 different types of runes

ok literally 3 of those are not new at all

[plush tendon]

It’s just a lot more then what it has been for a while

[proper roost]

and I bet u still dont even take blooddrinker

[plush tendon]

Naw, consumption better

Choice node

[proper roost]

Case in point

casual spec....

[plush tendon]

I like less buttons

[proper roost]

do u even take blood tap

Blizz hates blood tap

[round pendant]

I hate blood tap

[proper roost]

Blizz hates when blood tap is good because anytime it's actually powerful, good BDKs start to eclipse bad BDKs

and blizz is obsessed with flattening BDK so the people good at it can't actually be good

[plush tendon]

Blood tap has bad pathing

[mighty valley]

hallowfall is also interesting vertically

[lusty grotto]

thats a really REALLY hot take

cause i cant agree with it at all

[robust urchin]

I already did a 10key in time ur just bad

[mighty valley]

it's not Literally Flat

[proper roost]

wait which one nim

[lusty grotto]

yam

[robust urchin]

Crystal(Naaru)

[proper roost]

oh phew ok I was like

no way the BDK blood tap thing is a hot take

that's like, a Known Thing

uh sorry idk I mean I agree with yam

[mighty valley]

if they're gonna give us flying while leveling it should be the one that's somewhat interactive

[proper roost]

the spider place is ok (it's kinda cool worldbuilding to have all sniffas) but isle of dorn and ringing deeps is 🥱

[robust urchin]

Wanna hear a hot take? SMF should be a viable choice and not a meme

[proper roost]

i actually think hallowfall's novelty wears off pretty quick but yeah idk

[robust urchin]

None of the new zones are any good all of them have something that makes them not good in one way or another

[plush tendon]

Best thing about the new zone are the slipstreams

[proper roost]

yo the slipstreams bang

they did a good job of disguising the zone transition from isle of dorn too

[plush tendon]

Yea, the tunnel is cool

[proper roost]

I'm curious how many more times they can use the same zone transition loading trick though

it's like

[plush tendon]

We just go deeper

[proper roost]

it makes sense for this, and it's a neat spin on the cave

[plush tendon]

[proper roost]

but if we got another tunnel idk 💀

would be kinda obvious

[plush tendon]

We go down deeper

Until the atmospheric pressure kills us

[proper roost]

i actually figured one of the patch zones is gonna be like

past the water of hallowfall or smth

pretty obvious open ended question there

[round pendant]

It's better this expansion for sure, and I agree some of it is nice. I just don't think the pros outweigh the cons

I feel like so much flying actually FUCKED the world of warcraft

[proper roost]

ok grandpa

[frosty holly]

I love flying

[round pendant]

I'm not a classic andy either so fuck off

I mainly started playing wow in legion lmao

[proper roost]

it's 2024 flying mounts have existed for like 20 years now

[frosty holly]

Nothing sucks more then you moving around taking ages

[proper roost]

https://tenor.com/view/hanchi-hanci-cat-cat-pet-cat-pat-gif-25342194

time to lie back down

we've got nighthold splits to run

[robust urchin]

Underground rail like in ulduar

[round pendant]

never understood this take, there's ground mounts

[frosty holly]

wym? Those are still slower than flying

[round pendant]

they're not slow

[frosty holly]

...

SLOWER THAN FLYING

I'm not saying they are overall slow

Holy heck

[round pendant]

Yes you can fly a-b and get there faster

Just what is the appeal in a game where the game loop is a->b over and over and over again

[frosty holly]

Hmm do i wana move from a to B at 100% speed or 1000%

I'mma pick 1000%

[mighty valley]

i agree that flying took away the feeling of learning the world but that's just not what modern wow players want

[round pendant]

yeah cause they're brainrotted af

[frosty holly]

I also don't agree with that take. Harrow

[robust urchin]

What do modern wow players want?

[frosty holly]

You literally see more of the world when flying

[round pendant]

I get that modern wow is 99% instanced content so everything else is just thrown away like it doesn't matter

[limber kraken]

guys when s1 go live in eu?

[frosty holly]

I've played since vanilla. I've never understood the people that hate flying

[round pendant]

Guess I've explored the entirety of europe since I've flown over it 100 times

[frosty holly]

If you mean M+ the 18th

[limber kraken]

no the raid

and m0

[frosty holly]

Aa yes. very comparable. Do you fly at skybox limit in game?

[round pendant]

You're not exploring shit by flying over it, that's just how it is

[frosty holly]

tomorrow at 06:00

[limber kraken]

ty

[round pendant]

considering most peoples' retail gameplay now is look at the map and fly to quest objective, repeat

[graceful kite]

Vanilla wetlands lets gooo

[frosty holly]

I don't agree. But your opinion is also obviously what you find to be the best one. Same for me with mine

[round pendant]

And interacting or even just meeting other players is so scuffed

chances are if you see someone they're about to mount up and fly away to their next quest

it's so fucking weird man

[graceful kite]

People are just scared of interacting

I come to a guy and ask about his mog and he just freezes for 5 minutes

[robust urchin]

Modern wow players after legion can't appreciate the simple things in life, all they know is m+, drink cauldrons, eat feast, do lfr and lie

[graceful kite]

Or people testing their rotation on dummies stopping and running away if you come and watch

[frosty holly]

Literally I've had no issues meeting new people in WoW in any expansion

[proper roost]

Ok this is your only +2

all your other jokes have sucked

Cherish this one you ain't getting another

[robust urchin]

Jokes?

[round pendant]

See, I like M+ the most out of all the content in the game, but I went and played a bit of classic and the vibe is insane. Granted the whole game was a lot more soulful back then

[robust urchin]

I haven't even made any jokes

[proper roost]

immediate -2

back to neutral.

[robust urchin]

How can I go to hated?

[graceful kite]

You can still talk to people now

Nothing stops you

[round pendant]

The fact is, running around and questing in classic is quite chill and enjoyable in itself

In retail it's just, okay next zone please I want to raid

[frosty holly]

I mean again Your opinion

not fact

[round pendant]

The game is literally designed that way?

[robust urchin]

Have you played classic? Everyone is just min maxing on classic

[regal siren]

h-hello. this is going to be the first tier i tank. how do i know which fights require tank-swap and how do i know how many debuffs stacks should i take before swap?

[round pendant]

ye am not talking about the endgame, just levelling/questing portions

and the world

[rain light]

get dbm

[robust urchin]

Yeah so am I

[regal siren]

oh. dbm warns tank-swap? that's niiiice. tysm. 🩷

[frosty holly]

Even in vanilla people min/maxed

[round pendant]

why are we bringing minmaxing into this conversation

[frosty holly]

DMB or Bigwigs. Both works @regal siren

Also often raid weakaura packs for even more info.

[graceful kite]

Boss guide or bossmod or weakaura

[robust urchin]

Because people min max everything even leveling

[regal siren]

i see. i'll check some WA packs on wago. thank you!! 🤍

[mellow quartz]

Ok I said m0’s do more damage but then end up clearing half the trash in Stonevault without a healer cause he was afk for 10min

[frosty holly]

Because you seem to have this notion vanilla was all sunflowers and rainnbows where everybody chilled etc

[proper roost]

I hope you had some harsh words for that young man.

[round pendant]

Yeah no I never said that

[regal siren]

thank you!!

[graceful kite]

I don't recommend raid weakaura packs

It's bloated garbo

[round pendant]

That's a bit of a strawman bud

[robust urchin]

Hey buddy, you're not paying his monthly sub ok. He can play the game as fast or as slow as he wants!

[graceful kite]

Weakauras are very efficient in terms of code but some stuff eats your frames a lot

[frosty holly]

Not like the whole pack is loaded at all times

[graceful kite]

I just look up the stacks and focus target my cotank

[vocal flame]

whats ur ilevel?

[mellow quartz]

390

[graceful kite]

Still a lot of shit

[robust urchin]

I usually just wait until he screams his lungs out

[round pendant]

fundamentally I'm saying classic is more grounded and not a fly from a-b->repeat simulator for the levelling portion, where you're forced to explore and learn the world

[graceful kite]

But I hate all wa packs pretty much

[frosty holly]

forced is a good word. I don't want to be forced to do anything

[robust urchin]

Fundamentally you are wrong because most people just grind dungeons in classic

[round pendant]

God forbid games apply restrictions to you

[frosty holly]

Yes? I want play them how i enjoy them

[round pendant]

lol again that's not what I'm talking about

I'm talking about the core gameplay of levelling via questing and exploring zones

[graceful kite]

Later levels are just felwood and winterspring grind unless you're alliance and cba getting ganked

[frosty holly]

Vanilla i still tried to find the fastest way to do my quests

[mighty valley]

you can't have a game that lasts forever about leveling via questing and exploring zones though, right

[dusky canopy]

Sure you can

Skyrim takes ages to max all skills

[robust urchin]

[round pendant]

Nah but they can make the new expansions levelling experience not this boring shit

[frosty holly]

Then stay on your ground mount and level

[graceful kite]

I think level up campaign was cool this xpac

[frosty holly]

Nobody making you fly

[graceful kite]

I liked it

[dusky canopy]

I enjoyed the leveling this time around personally

[mighty valley]

they could! but for a lot of players, once they've experienced the endgame loop, they just want to get back there

[karmic epoch]

Yeah leveling was dope this xpack

[dusky canopy]

Actually this is even the first lore master I obtained

[graceful kite]

I dodn't even skip all dialogue

[robust urchin]

I leveled my main with my guildies we rushed the campaign and did a few dungeons and delves

[round pendant]

You mean other than the new zones requiring it?

[robust urchin]

On my first alt I just quested on my own and did all the side content

After that I leveled my alts in dungeons

[round pendant]

besides, you're still missing the point

[graceful kite]

I think you're blowing this out of proportion

Blizzard tried to make grounded expansions and people didnt like it

[frosty holly]

Majority of places have paths to where you need to go that's reachable by foot. But I'm done caring about you wanting everybody to play the game the way you enjoy it Yam

[vocal flame]

590?

[round pendant]

Alright I'm blocking this dude

lmao

[frosty holly]

Nighty and enjoy your rant

[round pendant]

Which expacs are you referring to?

[frosty holly]

Oh no. My cares

[dusky canopy]

Ground mounted questing leveling is so ass my dudes

Idk why anybody would want that again

[robust urchin]

Lmao you guys are wild

[graceful kite]

Wod comes to mind

[mellow quartz]

Yes

[round pendant]

WoD had terrible zone design

Legion was grounded for your first playthrough, it was good

[graceful kite]

They made a point to make no flying

And added it in last patch

[robust urchin]

Imagine blocking someone because they disagree with your POV

[dusky canopy]

I was there and that was so annoying for me

[round pendant]

I'm not blocking him for disagreeing

I blocked him for being fallacious

[dusky canopy]

All I wanted to do was fly

And I had to deal with flight paths and shit

[round pendant]

He's purposely missing my point and then putting words in my mouth because HE disagrees with me

all I've done is express my opinion, not said the way anyone's playing is wrong

[graceful kite]

Finding treasures

Or whatever they made you do

[tulip oar]

I can't even remember the reasoning behind not being able to fly in the broken isles at first.

[robust urchin]

I think you mean facetious

[round pendant]

nope

[dusky canopy]

Ope world boss is up better sit in this flight path that is 10 minutes long

[mighty valley]

i liked leveling in wod but it's basically all i did in that expansion, play time was very low back then. didn't stick around for endgame... all two patches of it

[graceful kite]

There was nothing to stick for

[robust urchin]

his guild didn't have summon slaves

Lmao

[graceful kite]

Raud were exceptionally good tho

Raids*

[robust urchin]

I loves the endgame in wod

Log into your Garrison
Collect gold
Send missions

Repeat 20 times

[graceful kite]

But the person who made hellfire assault should find a different job

[round pendant]

They probably already have

[molten gorge]

I have heard via the grapevine that grouping in Delves is now bad? Less loot(?) and reduced Brann xp. Fake news or?

[lusty grotto]

idk

ive been grouping them np

[dawn geode]

ye i did 4 8s and my brann went from 13 to 20

seems.. okay?

[graceful kite]

Chests should be personal

I did a lot of delves last week loot was the same

[lusty grotto]

chests are one time

[molten gorge]

Ya this was my thinking

Hmm

[lusty grotto]

once you loot a chest, you can never loot it again

[molten gorge]

Allegedly Yumytv said it, thought I'd see if any confirmers

I'll just assume the guy is wrong

[lusty grotto]

they just give you an achieve

[graceful kite]

It was fine this week

[molten gorge]

Ya it's post reset ig that's the question

[lusty grotto]

every delve has 5 chests

[graceful kite]

No reset on eu so cant confirm or deny

[robust urchin]

Who's Yumytv

[lusty grotto]

growl

[molten gorge]

No idea

[proper roost]

every one prior to DF

wdym

[graceful kite]

M+ healer streamer

[lusty grotto]

healer streamer

anyway im NA and im grouping them and its whatever

[molten gorge]

I'm literally just repeating what a friend told our group to see if it's correct, cause less loot seems very odd given its personal

[robust urchin]

Just try it out tbh it's just one key

[graceful kite]

I think its a troll

[molten gorge]

Less brann xp sure

[round pendant]

You can't say "nobody liked mounted levelling" if you're including everything before DF, some of the most well regarded expansions are in that set

[molten gorge]

True

[round pendant]

so I'm asking which expansions specifically where people dislike it, and I agree it was kinda stinky with wod

but flying isn't the solution there, better zone design is

[molten gorge]

The damage is already done with flying and transferring

[robust urchin]

The perfect zone would just be a long stretch like a runway with like 3 quest hubs and you can pick up all the quests for one hub from the same NPC and they were all in one location grouped up

[molten gorge]

They should have never added it, but it's too late now

Dragonriding is nice tho

[round pendant]

but anyway I really cba continuing this. I don't really appreciate that I get told I'm "blowing it out of proportion" because I don't just immediately concede my points and say "u rite"

I did warn y'all it was a hot take tho

[graceful kite]

Dragonflight leveling was worse than wod leveling

Even with flying

[round pendant]

At least I can remember wod levelling

lmao

[graceful kite]

That second zone with slowly moving caravan hoooolllyyy

[molten gorge]

Lmao

[graceful kite]

I actually never went there after

I just cant see it

[robust urchin]

Wod leveling was
Drink potion
Do bonus objectives

Much fun

[graceful kite]

I liked arakkoa story

[chilly brook]

Bad take but go off

[graceful kite]

And gorgrond too

[molten gorge]

It's definitely not a bad take

[frosty holly]

The caravan in plains? Could just go ahead and objective would complete when you reached the destination

[chilly brook]

It is a bad take

[molten gorge]

The open world element of the game died with flying, pvping and the community feel

[robust urchin]

Gorgrond would be cool if they would have made it like they planned jt

[molten gorge]

That was when it died

It's good now, cause it's already dead

[robust urchin]

With the train tracks all across it etc

[chilly brook]

PvP died because people realized it was ass

[molten gorge]

Dragonriding is nice etc

[robust urchin]

But gorgrond was so boring

[graceful kite]

You can say it about the whole expansion

[chilly brook]

Just like it died in classic

[robust urchin]

I guess yeah

[dusky canopy]

[chilly brook]

And everyone flocked to one faction only on every PvP server

[molten gorge]

Was alive in vanilla classic, died in tbc

[chilly brook]

Because they realized it’s a pain in the ass and not good

[dusky canopy]

Flying didn’t ruin the community

[chilly brook]

No it wasn’t

[round pendant]

yeah wpvp is scuffed

[robust urchin]

Honestly wod was just really shitty I can't take people seriously who say it was a good expansion

[chilly brook]

Most of the servers were giga stacked one faction only

[dusky canopy]

People just changed in general outside of the game

[molten gorge]

Wpvp is the only good thing about vanilla classic

[robust urchin]

Like ok black hand was a fun fight but fuck wod otherwise

[round pendant]

yknow say what you want about wod, but at last I remember the zones

[graceful kite]

Wpvp is the only victim of new zone design and flying

[chilly brook]

The problem with flying is just that blizz didn’t care to design around it

Now they have

[round pendant]

now they have, poorly

that's my take

[lusty grotto]

idk people like apb and shit have fun in wpvp

[frosty holly]

wpvp was never good. It was always just hey this server is like 80% ally/horde. They own the world pvp. Want to play Faction A? To bad this is Faction B server

[lusty grotto]

looking at this through nostalgia lenses lmao

[dusky canopy]

You think this expansions zones were designed poorly around flying??

I feel like they flow together exceptionally well

[molten gorge]

Dragonriding is very good imo

Super nice system

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dont see the problem at all, ive liked it since DF

[robust urchin]

People who rave on about wpvp probably don't really remember how it was or played on a 90/10 server on the right faction

[pallid quiver]

wpvp is only fun when people as a whole are close in ilvl and actual level.

most wpvp was actually barely even pvp, as it was level caps versus levelling 20s and the like

[chilly brook]

Anyone who thinks the game is better without flying and thinks that world PvP is good is kidding themselves

[graceful kite]

It was about hey there is 1 strong dude killing me lets group up and kill him as a 5 man

[molten gorge]

But stand by that flying should never have been added, wpvp is fun to me, even on the smaller faction. The problem is that people are too stupid to self regulate

[round pendant]

I mean yeah, the zones were well designed for people to fly in. But it's designed to be questing areas in which you fly from point to point, never really exploring anything

[dusky canopy]

People remember the cool YouTube videos that made world pvp seem amazing

[round pendant]

I guess you could argue my problem is inherently with the quest design

[dusky canopy]

In reality it was mediocre at best

[chilly brook]

Ah so not actually a competitions and instead stomping, really good gameplay

[dusky canopy]

Unbalanced

[graceful kite]

Or mop era wpvp with people destroying servers with 80x80 battles

[dusky canopy]

One sided factions etc

[molten gorge]

On my classic server, faction balance was good, some of us nerds had both factions and we switched depending on who was winning too much to keep it alive

[robust urchin]

BRO REMEMBER ARATHI WPVP?

[molten gorge]

But ya, lots of servers one faction stomped the other into quitting

And then cried when they quit

[robust urchin]

Yeah I remember being ganked for hours and just logging off

[molten gorge]

Skill issue

[round pendant]

wpvp was never supposed to be balanced

[frosty holly]

If i couldn't defeat somebody in world PvP i felt like he deserved to do what he want. Ganging up i never found fun. Because whats the challenge in fighting somebody if they have no shot at winning

[molten gorge]

Just don't be shit idk

[plush path]

yo

[chilly brook]

They didn’t quit lol, they just went to a server where their faction was dominant

[robust urchin]

[molten gorge]

Crying about wpvp is the biggest expose of oneself ever

[chilly brook]

?

Bruh

[molten gorge]

Games too hard 😭

[graceful kite]

Its not about challenge its about making him more miserable then you

[round pendant]

I've just reminded myself why I don't try to have normal conversations in discord servers

[chilly brook]

It’s not hard

It’s just not good

[robust urchin]

Go off king here's your crown

[frosty holly]

Haha ok txr 😄

[molten gorge]

It's okay boys

Stay mad that you got farmed

[graceful kite]

Remember dalaran quests in legion

[molten gorge]

😉

[graceful kite]

To jump through orbs

[chilly brook]

I remember going and doing world quests in legion as prot warrior

And stomping everyone

[graceful kite]

They added one in highmountain beside a huge fucking cliff

[chilly brook]

Because it was just broken

Yeah man super skilled

[graceful kite]

I parked my priest there and mind controlled horde off the cliff

Was fun as fuck

[plush path]

at what haste do i switch to into the freay

[round pendant]

lol tanks are still busted in wpvp

not so much though I guess

I remember 1v1ing some other tank for 20 minutes in legion

good times

[chilly brook]

If I wanna pvp I’ll go play a game that’s actually built around it and isn’t shit at pvp

Like any number of competitive shooters or league or some shit

[round pendant]

I mean arenas are pretty fair

expecting balancing in wpvp is unreasonable imo

It's easily skewed by just outgearing or bringing more people

[chilly brook]

Arenas are just as shitty as every other aspect of wow pvp

Blizzard doesn’t balance the game nearly as much as they need to for PvP

[graceful kite]

Wpvp is the only pvp wow needs

[round pendant]

That's just like, your opinion man

[graceful kite]

And new ashran

[chilly brook]

It’s not

[edgy bone]

ARe tier 11 hard

[chilly brook]

There’s a reason wow pvp is and has been dying steadily

[round pendant]

(I haven't touched arena since legion)

[dusky canopy]

I have to agree that wows pvp is just so un enjoyable

[molten gorge]

The game has been dying steadily since Wrath

Little bump up in MoP

[dusky canopy]

Poorly balanced etc

[molten gorge]

And Legion

[round pendant]

I'd argue the game is dying because it's just being designed more and more around funnelling people into instances

[chilly brook]

That’s a very reductive argument and also impossible to know

[molten gorge]

Flying is to blame (cause apparently opinions are facts)

[chilly brook]

We know how many people play PvP

We don’t know how many people play wow

[round pendant]

pvp dying is just a consequence of them not caring about it

[graceful kite]

I think wow wouldn't be able to support non instanced content anyways

[molten gorge]

We have raiding numbers

Warcraftlogs

[chilly brook]

There’s more than just raiding in the game

[round pendant]

I don't even know what casual players do in this game

[chilly brook]

Mole players exist

[molten gorge]

PvPers + PvEers = rough estimate

[round pendant]

How wow has millions of subs is beyond me

[vocal flame]

is making a raid party buggeD?

[robust urchin]

Delves

[dusky canopy]

Same old convo new day,
We have absolutely no idea how many people log into this game casually and never step foot in an instance

[robust urchin]

Delve all day

[vocal flame]

says max of 5 even tho i made a raid

[dusky canopy]

I actually work with one of those

Old guy in his 50s

World content enjoyer

[chilly brook]

I know several

[graceful kite]

Best mmo on the market with insanely popular long standing ip

Easy answer

[round pendant]

Is it BEST mmo for casuals?

[graceful kite]

They play it so I guess it is

[frosty holly]

I have a friend that literally only enjoy flipping the AH

[round pendant]

Do casual players sub all year but only play 20 hours or something?

[mighty valley]

tons of people just like ticking up little bars and earning pets or mounts or whatever

[robust urchin]

Murder him

[frosty holly]

The guy has millions and millions of gold that he only spends to make more gold

[chilly brook]

Lots of collectors ye

[molten gorge]

50 year old dad logging in to ruin my dungeon levelling groups shouldn't count in the numbers tho, like that isn't a hallmark of the game being good

[robust urchin]

[chilly brook]

Asmon doesn’t do jack shit in the game except for sometimes do a raid but mostly logs on to farm shit for completion

[graceful kite]

Why not if he likes it

[round pendant]

I can't put myself in their shoes, I do all the quests and maybe collect treasures and then.. that's it?

[molten gorge]

I didn't say he doesn't like it

[round pendant]

There's really not much else for casuals I feel

[graceful kite]

Its a game people play it however they want to

[round pendant]

Granted there's 20 years of older content to do

[frosty holly]

Is it a take that average pug is bad nowdays? Cus it's been like that since vanilla 😄

[molten gorge]

Transmog ig, I mean it used to be just stand around in [insert major city]

[robust urchin]

There is so much stuff for them like pet battles, pet dungeons, Mount farming, transmog farming, story mode dungeons

[molten gorge]

Glorified chat service

For the uber casual

[chilly brook]

WoW appeals to a wide audience some of you just forget that there’s more to do than m+, raid and instanced PvP…..

[molten gorge]

Name me one thing to do otherwise

[dusky canopy]

That’s literally what my coworker I mentioned is doing right now.. clearing each zones quests one at a time in chronological order how it was originally intended

[molten gorge]

You can't

Gg

[chilly brook]

See above

[molten gorge]

If you're not uber try harding there is nothing to do

[robust urchin]

Based and Lorepilled

[molten gorge]

Pet battles

Shaking my head your head

[graceful kite]

What does uber tryharding means

[dusky canopy]

There is tons of things to do in the open World

[molten gorge]

If anyone logs in to do pet battles, they need examining

[dusky canopy]

We are just power driven players

[mighty valley]

i don't like raw tomatoes on a sandwich but it's not confusing to me that others do lol

[chilly brook]

I’m clearing all the TWW zones because I’m tired of all the fucking exclamation points on my map

[dusky canopy]

So to us it’s “nothing”

[proper roost]

i literally never said this

[chilly brook]

[robust urchin]

[native girder]

girls do it xD

[dusky canopy]

Totally did the same just got my loremaster Sunday

[round pendant]

The guy I was replying to did, I wasn't using "you" as in literally YOU

[molten gorge]

Fine I'll start doing pet battles

[chilly brook]

I think you need examining

[frosty holly]

Man you made me think about how much time i just spent afk in citys for no reason. Instead of just logging out. Because wasn't like i sat there and watched the game

[round pendant]

Wait I just realised I don't recognise anyone here except Kanga and Griff

[molten gorge]

Fr

[round pendant]

is that why I'm getting so tilted by this chat

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[dusky canopy]

[robust urchin]

You're just an angry person that's all

[molten gorge]

I'm new 👋

[dusky canopy]

Only been chatting here for 6 years lmao

I bet I’ve answered a yam question atleast once in that time frame

[molten gorge]

Come over and find out big boy

Threatening me with a good time

[chilly brook]

I think people attribute the game being “better” to something they feel nostalgic about despite it just not being a better design

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree griff

[molten gorge]

The game is much better designed now for sure

[chilly brook]

How far I gotta go from the Netherlands?

[round pendant]

well I don't have nostalgia for any of the stuff I spoke about being better in classic than retail

🙂

[molten gorge]

Kinda close ig, UK GANG

[chilly brook]

Only here in Europe for 6 more days

[robust urchin]

Every time someone tells me how hard vanilla raids used to be I just want to dropkick their faces into concrete

[round pendant]

and I'm the angry person?

[molten gorge]

I mean retail IS a better game, but vanilla discord is truly the content, tagging someone while you camp their escort quest

Chef kiss

[chilly brook]

Also these Dutch know how to fucking cook

[dusky canopy]

Vanilla raids were..

Wait for it!

[molten gorge]

Garbage

[dusky canopy]

HARD

[round pendant]

fwiw I've been pretty much completely level headed this entire time and just get slightly irked when people willfully misconstrue my arguments

[robust urchin]

dropkicks you into concrete

Nothing personelle kid

[round pendant]

literally who

changed name?

[dusky canopy]

[molten gorge]

The urge to misconstrue this

[round pendant]

people just take not agreeing with them as some kind of insult, then tell me I'm angry

[dusky canopy]

Been brew the whole time

[round pendant]

so sad

[round pendant]

never seen you before in my life

[robust urchin]

[sick trellis]

MORE HASTE

[molten gorge]

First time on the Internet?

[dusky canopy]

Owell

[molten gorge]

(I hate it too tho)

[robust urchin]

Brewjj confirmed for nobody

[round pendant]

Nah it's just worse here today ig cause lots of new/returning people that haven't been filtered out yet

[dusky canopy]

Continuing to be nobody I will

[molten gorge]

I hope I don't get filtered out

[round pendant]

what the fuck

[chilly brook]

I hate that I’m missing the start of the season

[dusky canopy]

[round pendant]

am I getting dementia or something

[chilly brook]

But at least I get back home on m+ week

[round pendant]

I literally do not remember your name AT ALL

[dusky canopy]

Phils got me beat big big time

[robust urchin]

You gonna end up talking to yourself if you block out all the "newbs"

[round pendant]

Did you change your avatar?

[dusky canopy]

Dude has like 150k +

Uh yeah maybe

I’ve been Yodizzle forever though

No idea when I changed that

[round pendant]

I don't block anyone who isn't being disingenuous. I like noobs, I even have yogi unblocked and he just waffles

[chilly brook]

Mobile big booty stupid it only shows me that I have “1000+”

[robust urchin]

From what I understand yogi is like a mascot here

[chilly brook]

[round pendant]

107,782

[chilly brook]

Shit

[dusky canopy]

Yes yogi has been asking for help since forever

We give him advice

[chilly brook]

He ignores it

[dusky canopy]

He continues to not learn from it

[tranquil pumice]

im confused why is everything in basic mythic hitting like a fucking truck

[dusky canopy]

And then repeat

[round pendant]

I only have 8667, but I only talk here while I'm somewhat active on wow

[molten gorge]

Why even write that many messages when reactions are banned, zero kekw farming in all those 100k posts

[round pendant]

press shieldblock

[chilly brook]

Uhhh anyways I should go bedge

[robust urchin]

Based and Ignorepilled

[chilly brook]

[tranquil pumice]

shieldblock is up as often as can be

[dusky canopy]

Griff

[molten gorge]

So all the time?

[dusky canopy]

Holllyy

Chatter main

[tranquil pumice]

can barely pull 2 packs in this hoe

[dusky canopy]

Ggs

[robust urchin]

Try facing the mobs standing face to face them

Not with your back

[chilly brook]

It’s from all the time I fucked around on discord in the middle of college courses

[round pendant]

I mean what's your ilvl

[tranquil pumice]

i do

[molten gorge]

Lol

[tranquil pumice]

590

[round pendant]

uuuuuh

[molten gorge]

Is your gear broken?

[round pendant]

idk we'd need a lot more details

[tranquil pumice]

nope

[robust urchin]

Try using plate armor

[molten gorge]

Shield is red

[tranquil pumice]

7.3 mil

[round pendant]

alright guys stop memeing when someone wants actual help

[molten gorge]

The fact I can't add kekws is so upsetting

[mighty valley]

compared to df season 1, you're basically going from heroic dungeon straight to m+10, it's gonna hit harder

[robust urchin]

Just reply with them

[proper roost]

ok why did u reply to me abt it tho...

[molten gorge]

Doesn't hit the same

[plush path]

at what haste do i switch to into the fray

[rain light]

next season

[tranquil pumice]

i mean ive had no problems in the past getting ksm but i just feels like im getting deleted

[round pendant]

Why did you reply to me if you weren't engaging in the conversation me and him were having??

[robust urchin]

We can't really help if we don't know any details

[rain light]

yeah m0 is pretty rough this time

[round pendant]

I just explained to you why I asked what I asked, because you said "wdym"

[robust urchin]

Check damage taken in details

And go from there

[round pendant]

yeah heroic -> m0 is big

[robust urchin]

Huge even