I liked bfa a lot retrospectively
#protection
graceful kite
edgy bone
Anyone here farmed thunder fury?
jagged gust
I liked bfa a lot retrospectively
Demo shout off gcd, tclap every second gcd, bfa was good
graceful kite
last xpac I've enjoyed raiding
hoary pivot
is it normal that the revenge proc is sometimes just not used because SS / TC keep bouncing?
lusty grotto
yes
its normal
you ignore that proc
as thane
its completely different as colossus, for obvious reasons
hoary pivot
yes i am talking thane in dungeons
i generally feel like i press revenge pretty rarely
hoary pivot
mostly in HC runs right now to ensure threat when collecting giant pulls with randoms
but does that mean that the points in Frothing Berserker and Best Served Cold are flex?
hoary pivot
bc those only impact that button and have alternatives?
lusty grotto
the only one that might flex is frothing (with pain and gain)
BSC no way in hell
fight through the flames is a waste of a talent point
hoary pivot
i see, i will trust the people who did the math. those points just look like they are very low impact with the low amount of revenge casts.
hoary pivot
alternativ to Frothing would be Pain and Gain right? Because we need to path down.
lusty grotto
yes see my edit
jagged gust
Prot also has moments where you just revenge 3 times in a row while SS stubbornly refuses to proc a reset
hoary pivot
on the other hand, if i also drop rallying cry.... :3
lusty grotto
why would you
lusty grotto
rally is still important
proper roost
oh man I dont miss the ppl who didnt play rally in DF
those were some animals for sure
lusty grotto
the amount of bismuth i need for 3 different crafters is too damn high
like jesus christ
every 15 mins i need to do another mining run
proper roost
thats so powerful i just bought everything
gonna have to buy another token on m+ week to afford enchants stg...
lusty grotto
frugalchip
bleak breach
I like the endless SS spam you sometimes get in thane
lusty grotto
ngl though im glad they did the baseline ore useful for once
bleak breach
Had 6or7 in a row yesterday
lusty grotto
but jesus fuck its annoying to raise crafters
hoary pivot
500 bismuth are about 1 € right now via the current wow token price
lusty grotto
yea mico
proper roost
not gonna try with profs 
i will just buy like four tokens over the xpac
lusty grotto
whats that in american
lusty grotto
im good
hoary pivot
its 1.10 right now apparently
lusty grotto
i like being frugal
neon elk
ngl though im glad they did the baseline ore useful for once
Its just sad that r1 and r2 are same price, and choosing spec to smelt r2 and r3 is pretty much useles as they all cost same ( 1 3star to 5 2star* ) i hoped for something better
hoary pivot
i like being frugal
i get it and ther is some satisfaction in grinding resources yourself, for minign i do it too
lusty grotto
now that you mention that Lommatik, you know what grinds my gears? fucking wowhead having 3 different pages for materials, with each rank in one page, instead of combining them in one so you dont have to go to each to read the comments
small peeve
but i guess all 3 versions have different itemIds so its inevitable
hoary pivot
still not the biggest fan of the whole quality system. i like the specialization knowledge stuff, but the whole quality and secondary profession stats thing just feels like it adds a lot of complexity for little gain.
lusty grotto
yeah well
FFXIV removed gathering shit qualities for a reason
so idk why wow adopted it
proper roost
i'm being frugal
with my time
i ate out every single day for lunch last week and probably this week so its all pretty cursed ngl
warm plinth
The mat quality thing is probably my biggest pet peeve now with crafting.
hoary pivot
The mat quality thing is probably my biggest pet peeve now with crafting.
i still think DF crafting is better than pre DF crafting
proper roost
gotta save money more 😔
lusty grotto
hell, xiv removed them before DF came out
hoary pivot
but they could just drop the whole quality mats thing
lusty grotto
gotta save money more 😔
yes, you do
jagged gust
i ate out every single day for lunch last week and probably this week so its all...
I learned my lesson after my last job had me living in a hotel for half the year, eating out daily takes a toll on my shit
hoary pivot
i ate out every single day for lunch last week and probably this week so its all...
work life 🤷
hoary pivot
it does, especially if you live in an expensive city. lunch prices here have exploded.
hoary pivot
thats why cooking is goated
yes but time and social. eating out with colleagues is nice.
lusty grotto
of course
jagged gust
Just remember to order the salad when you can
proper roost
I learned my lesson after my last job had me living in a hotel for half the year...
tmi 
also not wrong...
jagged gust
I swear after my apprenticeship ended I gained like 10% BF
lusty grotto
ive been buying
like a dozen pears
every week
i cant understand it, but i keep snacking on them
huge source of fiber too
but i cant really explain it
its like im addicted to them now
jagged gust
dude no lie prunes are my favorite snack rn and I cant explain why
proper roost
Giga old person snack
lusty grotto
i swear that must be it
jagged gust
they're just the perfect texture
not too sweet like a date
chewy like soft beef jerky
tribal wharf
normal dungeon groups are struggling
jagged gust
normal dungeon players right now must be the dredge of the dredges
tribal wharf
that group i think the healer was new or very undergeared
buttons not bound, no idea
jagged gust
healing is hard when you're new, all the buttons say "This heals" and it's kinda hard to sus out what actually works
tribal wharf
some of them still struggling with dawn break (mostly 2nd boss still)
neon elk
Curious if we could skip his generals on mythic
lusty grotto
i did some on chipadin last night and i got my first TWW "that bear player"
neon elk
Same with priory
lusty grotto
you know "that bear player" that complains about people pulling for him, when it was just body pulls and shit
unhinged and shit
its funny cause i noticed after the dungeon was over
tribal wharf
in my perfect world, there would be a world of warcraft anime/live action show on like netflix or whatever and its like, when the dude who is a protection warrior faces a guy swinging a sword/mace he uses the shield to block him, like you would in game, and the bots in the AI dungeons would be like, ah crap you are standing in fire / i'm poison debuffed
lusty grotto
"that bear player" that rides the tank ego high as all fuck
tribal wharf
i dont care if ppl pull for me as long as its we are more or less ready for it
hunter runs 500 feet ahead, activates the ghosts in spider dungeon, dies, tahts on him
pallid quiver
"that bear player" that rides the tank ego high as all fuck
I was accused of tank ego by a healer when I asked people to watch for pulling extra things, and then they screeched at me when they pulled more things by checks notes holding the A key for roughly 6 seconds all the way into a pack as I pinged him to be careful before he pulled the pack. As a Paladin healer, like 45 yards out
and the group kicked him immediately after
tribal wharf
i have had more than my share of angry healers
some times they or me get very very angry
only really dps if like the key falls apart or they die 100 times
lusty grotto
in my experience
and i dont know why thats the case
the most unhinged ones are almost always shaman
tribal wharf
monk
lusty grotto
or at least throughout DF, we'll see this exp
tribal wharf
monk and shaman tends to get most mad with me
lusty grotto
and warlocks were by far and wide the class that had the most leavers
literally week 1 leavers = warlock
toxic pewter
just be a night elf
lusty grotto
apb advocating for night elves, now thats something i didnt expect
toxic pewter
Lol
ngl i am sick of seeing so many night elves
especially in pvp.. they are literally everywhere
shadowmeld so damn annoying
tribal wharf
mages are big malders too
toxic pewter
especially now with how you can mount up and getting into combat does not cancel the mount summoning
lusty grotto
i can see that being annoying in wpvp
but melding casts is pretty fucking amazing in arena
toxic pewter
fair enough, I love wow pvp, been enjoying it consistently for twenty years
rain light
human male warrior
tribal wharf
twilight dev ganking in late bfa was great
tribal wharf
used to fly to some dungeon and try to TD as many fuckers as i could
toxic pewter
there we go. that is much more accurate XD
tribal wharf
did that at snake dungeon alot
toxic pewter
temple of sssssssssethralisssssssssss
lusty grotto
spell reflect heaven
tribal wharf
blizzard ever wants to see players flip add that dungeon again
many points of failure in there
toxic pewter
lol
lusty grotto
youre not wrong but SRing the nadoes was the bestest feeling
tribal wharf
soooooo many groups died to the electro boom boss
lusty grotto
yeah that boss was kinda aids in tyr
tribal wharf
hed just get stacks, kaboom, key over
2nd boss was aids too
shit all over the ground 15 seconds into the fight
lusty grotto
eh snek wasnt too bad
tribal wharf
final boss was very painful, drawn out
lusty grotto
that was on healers
tribal wharf
if you are speaking of bfa dungeons in a bubble terms of bad that is one of the bigger offenders
ancient reef
how else do you get coffer keys outside the do 3 wq thing
pallid quiver
The weekly meta quest you get around Faerin outside the inn in Dornogal, the Awakening the MAchines event in Deeps,
The light quest stuff in Hallowfall,
inland raft
World quests that provide shards too
pallid quiver
One for doing the Pact Quest in Azj,
You can do 4 of those per week, + additional shards from WQs + Keys from Rep
If you mega blasted to cap day 1 Early Access, you can have up to 12 keys before the extras iirc
Most people will have 8 as their cap, Earthen are capped to 4
inland raft
I think 9 if didnt get to cap in earlt access theres been enough wqs for at least one frim shards maybe 2 i dont have warmode on but think veen a few pvp wqs with shards
pallid quiver
Those are the extras
Shards+Renown keys ignore the weekly 4 limit that come from the boxes
tribal wharf
only reason i might not have keys
is cuz, there is literal quests to do the delves
and i was after lore master
so i just did them
neon elk
U can do bountifull delve for q without spending key tho, cant you?
rigid hull
how do i farm carved crests gang
pallid quiver
Hitting M0-+3. normal raid
mostly stuff that's not available
Everything else are one-time bonuses that ignore that cap, like the crests you can get from the upgraders, quest rewards, etc
rigid hull
Everything else are one-time bonuses that ignore that cap, like the crests you c...
weekly quests or any
pallid quiver
Specific quest rewards, like campaign or renown quests iirc
They give like 5 a pop
if they give any at all
stone wing
we still waiting on sparks?
tardy dagger
we still waiting on sparks?
Already spent mine on beldars bulwark (or whatever it’s called)
lusty grotto
should have read the guide
thats a spark down the gutter
at least you get another tomorrow 🙂
but then you get to to wait 2 more weeks for a better embelish 😄
stone wing
yeah I knew the shield was no good
just wasn't sure if embellishments have been locked in yet
seems elemental focusing lens if we can get that ring is the move for damage huh?
oh wait we do nature damage with mountain thane now
neon elk
but then you get to to wait 2 more weeks for a better embelish 😄
Do we get some cool ones this time around or just random "proc dmg" stuff that simply sims best?
lusty grotto
as long as the message is pinned we aint using sparks
which will probably be in place until myth week
lusty grotto
Do we get some cool ones this time around or just random "proc dmg" stuff that s...
i suggest you read the guides
but there's no "cool" embelish, they are just damage/surv bumps
pallid quiver
Anything interactive would usually have too much impact to be worth it, tbh, if they wanted to keep the same performance goalpoint for embels they're aiming for
lusty grotto
yeah im pretty sure "cool factor" has never been on the menu for embelishments
graceful kite
Already spent mine on beldars bulwark (or whatever it’s called)
Rip
neon elk
Its a shame .. anyway, how good/bad is ST dps one compared to stats ? Im not quite sure my pug healers are gona keep me above 80% a lot
For m+
pallid quiver
if you're dropping below 80%, you should stop getting hit in the back
lusty grotto
they wont have to
graceful kite
You're a warrior you will be above 80 alot
lusty grotto
youre playing prot warrior
tribal wharf
is hell divers 2 full of angry assholes mad that thier game is dead and has unskippable cutscenes and QTEs?
is this a fair assesment, dunno never played it, someone i know msged me randomly says this is his experience with it
graceful kite
Everything is full of assholes its the internet
neon elk
So its competitive in m+ , thats all i wanted to hear , ty
pallid quiver
is hell divers 2 full of angry assholes mad that thier game is dead and has unsk...
That sounds like someone who is very butthurt if that's a direct quote
tribal wharf
pallid quiver
the game's not even dead; there's still lots of people playing it. It's just not THE GAME that almost everyone is playing anymore.
tribal wharf
keep in mind, i never spoke to him about hell divers ever
neon elk
U talk to a weird people ngl
The "up down left right" part is pretty much the main mechanic of the game and is used for everything in it ( some cheese it tho) and there is like minimum cutscenes some are used as loading screen ..
tribal wharf
i stopped buying into the hype in my old age
as much as before, for unknown untested things
neon elk
@lusty grotto one more , maybe dumb, question, why isnt weapon mentioned in "best items to upgrade" in guides ?
pallid quiver
<@131897531251556352> one more , maybe dumb, question, why isnt weapon mentio...
Shield is the more important piece of gear to upgrade, since our survivability is directly tied to shield ilvl very heavily
graceful kite
Because we scale off shields the best
tribal wharf
like there was deep rock galactica, and hell divers 2
and i never got into either of those
neon elk
Shield is the more important piece of gear to upgrade, since our survivability i...
I get that, but isnt wep above some random low ilvl gear ?
pallid quiver
That being said, wep should be listed about trinkets as well, but
graceful kite
Deep rock is pretty much free you can try it any day
pallid quiver
lusty grotto
these are guidelines
pallid quiver
it's only mentioned in the paragraph rather than the list
pallid quiver
Pretty much, weapon slot items > Trinkets > Other crap
Shield and wep being weapon slot items
That's how it is for pretty much every spec in the game
mellow quartz
If you don’t mythic raid then think long term and prioritize myth track items.
graceful kite
Shield gives you the best survivability after that you can sim but most likely weapon
tribal wharf
believe me , i see far worse in wow world chat daily lmao
neon elk
Yea ive been checking wowhead guide and they literaly go shield > trinket > low ilvl gear , not a single mention about wep, was confused af
pallid quiver
Like I posted, it's in the paragraph explaining it right above the bullet point list
tribal wharf
i guess i should runeforge if i get i new weapon eh
tanked dungeon without one but still
cerulean tusk
Demo
lusty grotto
yes indeed demoralizing shout
cerulean tusk
Demo
lusty grotto
thats its name
cerulean tusk
Demo
bleak breach
mellow quartz
Demo lock for sure
bleak breach
Was kinda meaning for people who are actually playing prot war as this is a prot war discord, even though it’s always filled with nonsense…
toxic pewter
wat nonsense
toxic pewter
true
lusty grotto
but it is what it is
cerulean tusk
Demo
lusty grotto
warlock
lusty grotto
sorry but 19 years of demo = demoralizing shout take precedence
it has been decided
mellow quartz
Why you wanna shorten colossus to one of its ability names?
cerulean tusk
Cause it is demo
mellow quartz
Like saying thunder blast instead of mountain thane
lusty grotto
colon
mellow quartz
Or Col 🤷♂️
cerulean tusk
Demo sounds better
lusty grotto
unacceptable
mellow quartz
Nope cause that just confuses people
mellow quartz
Demo has another use for years
lusty grotto
demo dn
cerulean tusk
Sigh, demo DN what?
lusty grotto
demo do nut
warm plinth
You can't win this argument
We fought people trying to use BV for Brutal Vitality for an entire expansion.
mellow quartz
We fought people trying to use BV for Brutal Vitality for an entire expansion.
You don’t even think or talk about BV anymore as it’s pretty much a locked talent so should use the abbreviation for something else 🙂
cerulean tusk
Demo
cerulean tusk
Ya lads twisted
Demo is powerful, demo got history, demo is what will lead us to victory
mellow quartz
And demo is a shout
cerulean tusk
Demo
mellow quartz
Shout
cerulean tusk
The youth will come to my side
Demo will win
Ya old words mean nothing against the power of evolving language
Soon ya will be old and confused
Angry that nothing makes sense
And the nurse will say
Demo
lusty grotto
Soon ya will be old and confused
primaris is the iconic 40k space marine
cerulean tusk
warm plinth
jk he was ranked "who"
what was I ranked
cerulean tusk
warm plinth
<:dander:905248880910815302>
Can't be on the list if you're above the list amirite
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
frosty holly
robust urchin
Remember when we were talking about Hollywood people being out of touch with reality?
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1831439963612967341?t=o1ZU_F-l_ummaHP87xXDCA&s=19
Twitter
lusty grotto
i see nothing wrong with this and neither does he https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FB-gYr49Y
frosty holly
Remember when we were talking about Hollywood people being out of touch with rea...
I don't really watch many shows/movies. Why is she a bad pick?
robust urchin
I don't really watch many shows/movies. Why is she a bad pick?
It's not about her
It's about making a he man movie
frosty holly
It's about making a he man movie
Aaah
lusty grotto
yeah but idk its not being out of touch
robust urchin
shes evil-lyn
No she's actually Alison Bree
lusty grotto
its about remakes on remakes on remakes
frosty holly
The little I've seen of movie news it just seems to be mainly re-makes or adapting games the last few years
lusty grotto
but thats not Hollywood specific, see video games
robust urchin
yeah but idk its not being out of touch
Masters of the Universe is like not trending at all right now
The last thing that was popular was that she-ra series 4 years ago
robust urchin
Yeah that also bombed hard
lusty grotto
so remakes of remakes of remakes
robust urchin
Because it was years to late
robust urchin
It's fun now how campy it is it wasn't fun when it came out
robust urchin
just like the street fighter movie
Which also is just remembered fondly of how bad it is
lusty grotto
funky youre just jumping in to troll
robust urchin
SF is overrated
Extremely the games aren't even good anymore
robust urchin
The only good performance in street fighter was Bison
lusty grotto
ok ok
robust urchin
RIP btw
lusty grotto
good save
robust urchin
Poor guy did the shit of a movie just for his kids
Delivered the best performance in it despite dying
lusty grotto
i mean he had credits before that
warm plinth
Yeah didn't he die like a month later or some shit
I was just reading about this not too long ago
lusty grotto
the rookie, tequila sunrise, addams family x2
warm plinth
Fun fact, Bison was Vega in the original release
lusty grotto
one from the heart even
robust urchin
Yeah didn't he die like a month later or some shit
It was literally his last credited acting role
lusty grotto
at least i called him by his name
frosty holly
Movie so bad it killed him
jagged gust
The last thing that was popular was that she-ra series 4 years ago
Personally I'm interested in more
frosty holly
Sir @jagged gust I've been scammaz. That play button is not clickable
jagged gust
oh yeah discord and tiktok hate eachother
robust urchin
Movie so bad it killed him
It was cancer actually
jagged gust
you gotta click the link
frosty holly
It was cancer actually
The movie? I agree
robust urchin
He was a great actor and only did street fighter because his kids loved street fighter and he wanted his last role to be in it
jagged gust
It was cancer actually
To me it was only Tuesday
robust urchin
To me it was only Tuesday
So today you mean?
lusty grotto
no, today is monday
lusty grotto
10:46 edt America time
robust urchin
no, today is monday
No it's 4:47 am Tuesday
lusty grotto
i dont know what those times are so they dont exist
vocal flame
So tomorrow will all the TWW dungs be available for M0? I know it’s a silly question but I’m reading otherwise
robust urchin
Only the season one
frosty holly
4 TWW and 4 old ones
vocal flame
Oooo really? Ok
viral elk
So tomorrow will all the TWW dungs be available for M0? I know it’s a silly ques...
Should just be the season 1 dungos
vocal flame
Tyty
frosty holly
Do we get portals to the areas near old ones tomorrow? That i haven't actually checked
lusty grotto
im pretty sure we do
as to where the panda lady will be, i have no idea
but we will find out soon enough
robust urchin
It's so over for prot pallys
frosty holly
R.I.P
lusty grotto
hmm
devour not being blockable should worry us
time for larry charges part 2!
"just send wall"
mellow quartz
It’s only 287m damage the tooltip says
lusty grotto
ez
frosty holly
as to where the panda lady will be, i have no idea
She is in Dornogal next to item upgrade. As in next door
robust urchin
She is in Dornogal next to item upgrade. As in next door
Look at her dumb expression less face, look at her empty eyes
God I hate her so much
frosty holly
Perhaps. Not a super big area tho
frosty holly
hes just tired of downgrading keys
I really feel like instead of having her downgrade them 1 step at a time. Just give me a drop down menu when inside the dungeon allowing me to pick anything below current key level
lusty grotto
yeah that'd be nice
wooden widget
M0s are the season 1 dungeons? I thought it was all the new TWW ones.
lusty grotto
yes s1 dungeons
frosty holly
S1
wooden widget
Oh weird ok. Ty.
robust urchin
I really feel like instead of having her downgrade them 1 step at a time. Just g...
Lmao look at this dude asking for convenience in a skinner box simulator
frosty holly
I know. Silly me 😦
robust urchin
neon elk
Do we realy get seasonal as m0 now ? Idk why but im understanding post as tww dungs are gona be m0 and seasonals as HC
lusty grotto
that wouldnt make any sense
heroic = what we have now but with slightly higher ilvl
mythic 0 = season 1 dungeons
(dawnbreaker, ara kara, stonevault, city of threads, siege of boralus, necrotic wake, mists of tirna scithe, and grim batol)
inland raft
Pretty sure heroic also changes tomorrow to reflect s1 according to blue post i recall seeing
lusty grotto
tirna is garbage
neon elk
Mythic 0 dungeons
Heroic Seasonal Dungeons
lusty grotto
they made a decent dungeon worse by a mile
frosty holly
Yapp
neon elk
This confuses me , why doesnt it then say "seasonal m0"
lusty grotto
all they had to do with Mists was simply minimize the RNG in the maze, and that was it
instead they loaded it with abilities to "modernize" it
and the result is by far a worse version of it
NW was also made slightly worse but not by much, its kind of okayish
Grim batol is pretty decent
Siege is banned forever because they somehow found a way to punch it down harder than it was in BFA
lusty grotto
tbf
i dont think its fair to say that but
cause they did touch on the last boss tentacles
they made some improvements
so in some ways its worse, in some ways its better
also alliance starting spot for everyone
inland raft
I dont see the point of “modernizing” anything from sl and beyond and most bfa changes are unnecessary too
lofty warren
what currency can only be used on adventurerer gear?
lusty grotto
😄
frosty holly
Unless they removed them all together and you fight boss straight on in my eyes it will still suck
Was ally worse or better starting? I only ever played ally back in the day
lusty grotto
worse
frosty holly
Dang it
frosty holly
Couldn't even give us the better starting one. Yikes
Welp. Time to sleep. Have fun all
neon elk
Didnt even know there is different start
neon elk
I just hope we wont see same thing as with HCs where people quit after boss that drops their item
lusty grotto
thats probably still gonna happen
so i hope blizz does the penalty shit
the one they talked about
because its infinitely worse to have a quitter mid m0, since you probably cant fill a mid run
pallid quiver
I think they should have the legal right to execute leavers, don't @ me
lusty grotto
or, you can but most people probably wont want to join a run with a dead boss
neon elk
Most wont, and if they gona rerun it again for their dead boss/es they gona leave after
pallid quiver
But almost definitely, people will just dip, since the reset is daily, and they gotta get muh bis
lusty grotto
yeah well you cant rerun it again
neon elk
Best fix will be to keep loot at end like in m+
neon elk
Wait arent u locked to bosses only ?
lusty grotto
not on mythic
neon elk
Rip then
pallid quiver
M0 should still have you locked to bosses
Unless they've done magic behind my back
lusty grotto
well i can be mistaken
pallid quiver
You 100% could hit the later half of DotI, then come back for the earlier bosses
neon elk
Well, full plate world tours are still go a be best option i guess
lusty grotto
possibly
lusty grotto
have you tried going to the upgraders and checking ?
youve asked this like 4 times
you could have found out by now
you asked this morning too
lusty grotto
that was like 18 hours ago lmao
dry hawk
what talents are you guys going with for ST in raid ?
lusty grotto
wowhead or icyveins has them
dry hawk
wowhead or icyveins has them
warm plinth
WTB new blade movie
Ghash hot take before I go to bed: Blade Trinity was a good movie
lusty grotto
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
our mods write those guides so no not deadge
warm plinth
Okay good night
neon elk
WTB new blade movie
Isnt one in the making ? With maharshala or w/e is his name ?
lusty grotto
and its been in development hell for quite some time
usually movies that stay in that particular hell for a while end up sucking
so my hopes are way WAY down
neon elk
Tbf with everything happening in movie industry i would be glad if it doesnt even air and i die with one and only i ever knew..
neon elk
It wasnt as good, but if u compare it to some others "last movies" , like matrix 4 etc , it was godlike
jagged gust
Ghash hot take before I go to bed: Blade Trinity was a good movie
It had Deadpool in it, it had to be good
jagged gust
It wasnt as good, but if u compare it to some others "last movies" , like matr...
Okay but the wazchowski sisters or w/e their names are purposefully made matrix 4 like that
So it gets better if you look at the movie through the lens of intentionally giving the finger to studio execs
lusty grotto
yeah that was the intention of that movie
lofty warren
wtf is this shit
neon elk
Yea , i still dont like it and im sad ive ever seen it
lusty grotto
yeah this just tells you group buffs are still king in deciding tank picks
lofty warren
another patch maining vdh zzzz
jagged gust
my guy, it's bear season
jagged gust
we gotta make way for the furries again
lusty grotto
literally comes in here and asks about other tanks
lofty warren
bear time
lusty grotto
has mentioned bear at least every single time he has spoken in this channel
neon elk
Idk what for there is S in their tier list
jagged gust
He seems like a bear main
neon elk
Either remove it or make everything one tier higher
If something is A and nothing is S then A is clearly best making it S ..
toxic pewter
They need to nerf motw
lusty grotto
MOTW and Chaos Brand
neon elk
Im fine or w/e with specs they pick for different tier , im just pointing out they skiped one tier for no reason
lofty warren
need a single S tier
lusty grotto
because mage is the top dps right now
neon elk
And it will serve same purpise
toxic pewter
darn mages…
pallid quiver
Im fine or w/e with specs they pick for different tier , im just pointing out t...
It's supposed to help indicate that there's nothing absolutely overpowering about any of the tanks; they're all fine. None are garbage, either. You can read the reasonings for the tiers existing up above
it's not even a flat ranking
It's "it has this many strength and this many weaknesses"
And the write-up also mentioned, almost specifically for all tanks that aren't in C, that they're where they are at almost entirely due to group buffs
neon elk
Its still same to me , if it was S A B only then there will be just as small inbalance as it is now , and for example healers do have 2s tiers, which u also dont bring into some comps despite them bein S
pallid quiver
But that's not how they measured
You can look at how they placed them in there by looking and reading
If you don't want to read that, then the tier list is even less useful than tier lists already are
jagged gust
"S" tier is inherently viewed as OP, if you put something in to that group you're changing people's perceptions
Meta rank meta
lofty warren
prot feels more tanky than vdh no doubt but i guess vdh does mroe dps
bleak breach
Prot feels spectacular in all aspects
mellow quartz
If you ever looked at a wow tier list before you know that ‘S’ tier is watered down
lusty grotto
it hasnt been for whole expansions
bleak breach
We don’t have chaos brand
lusty grotto
it has been about group buffs
bleak breach
^
lofty warren
vdh dps = choas brand
mellow quartz
Also battle shout is a better raid buff than chaos brand in a melee comp
lusty grotto
and what the tank does to help the TOP DPS be better
in a melee comp yes
but the comp wont be a melee comp
mellow quartz
Yoda (who made the wowhead tier list) is not a believer in the melee comp and thinks it will be purely caster meta
lusty grotto
with arcane pumping so hard
bleak breach
If meta changes we would be top, but casters don’t need us
If you’re not running a super meta group tier list doesn’t apply so doesn’t matter
mellow quartz
Pwar, fdk, enhance, aug, x healer
violet ginkgo
@lusty grotto Sad though that the case is always "what the tank does to help the TOP DPS be better" instead of "about what x class feels like" 
lusty grotto
i disagree
south zealot
but thats not what it is
lusty grotto
that just means tank balance is on point
south zealot
dragonflight s3 s4
lusty grotto
because if the factor is what buff helps out, it only means that
south zealot
what does bdk do to help your group
most selfish tank BY FAR
i mean i guess baby ams to friends
bleak breach
that just means tank balance is on point
Agree wholeheartedly
lusty grotto
yeah its just grips
south zealot
grips are usually cope
lusty grotto
oh right i forgot about baby ams
south zealot
just kick things figure it out
lusty grotto
yeah no, i agree with you
south zealot
actually with the new changes, grips are definitely better
bc mobs refuse to stop casting
lusty grotto
but did you see morgan day talk about it?
pallid quiver
BDK is usually top if it has some survival or damage niche over the other tanks, since it has the potential to due to DS mechanics
south zealot
morghna day has no opiniosn on the game
south zealot
no good opinions*
pallid quiver
<@131897531251556352> Sad though that the case is always "what the tank does to ...
Also, that tier list they posted does, in fact, have the latter included. It's why Brew and Pala are in C rather than B.
pallid quiver
Whether you agree with those opinions on how they feel or not's a different question, but that's why they're in C.
lusty grotto
if i was a betting man, i would have put my money there lmao
nerf arcane, ele, maybe
just maybe
aug is still a big issue with caster scaling
pallid quiver
entirely unrelated note, it sucks for a lot of people that they made the beledar spawn mount tradeable
The people who already have the mount are now financially incentivized to fucking blast the thing the instant it spawns
so they can try and get a second copy to sell
It's been going for anywhere from 500k-1m
slate kestrel
It's been going for anywhere from 500k-1m
350k is kind of normal here
pallid quiver
ye
neon elk
So we will have seasonal as m0 ?
pallid quiver
Yep
lusty grotto
no
neon elk
Xd
pallid quiver
The S1 dungeons will be our M0
lusty grotto
im thinking affixes
pallid quiver
And also starting tomorrow, heroics get swapped out.
lusty grotto
yes
neon elk
But only them right ? We wont have 12 m0?
pallid quiver
The others all get rotated out, yes
lusty grotto
so no more priory, meadery, cleft or priory
violet ginkgo
no priory, meadery, cleft and rookery
jagged gust
Pwar, fdk, enhance, aug, x healer
resto druid because you want the buff and replace fdk with a sin/ww, or swap prot for brew and go fury
neon elk
Thats fine for me
violet ginkgo
damn rookery is quite nice though, it is short dungeon
lofty warren
heroic vdh stonevault 599k dps. gonna try with guardian and pwar
pallid quiver
In heroic, that'll be heavily skewed towards Pwar, since most of our damage is heavily frontloaded
lofty warren
all are 471 ilvl
neon elk
This tells absolutely nothing but go ahead and try them all
lofty warren
heroic vdh stonevault 599k dps
heroic pwar stonevault 724k dps
heroic bear stonevault 598k dps
pallid quiver
and no one is shocked that the frontloaded pwar had the highest output on things where the only realistically measured damage
was frontloaded damage
neon elk
Psssst let him be happy, pwar truly has highest dmg among them all
lusty grotto
lofty warren
what you mean by front load damage
mighty valley
current heroics are not good at gauging dps over long fights
since we can just pull rooms and everything dies instantly
so high burst specs look better than they are
pallid quiver
what you mean by front load damage
A good chunk of prot war's damage comes from its CDs and their overlaps; you instantly get access to tons of rage to cycle outburts, the damage for ravager+damage from roar/spear, all under the demo shout increased damage buff, shield charge for large aoe damage, also all under avatar, which also gives you two Thunder Blast from the word go
This lets you push out your damage very fast
lofty warren
But it feels like pwar is pretty consistent damage compared to bear and vdh with their big burst cds
pallid quiver
As compared to classes that need to first set up dots, spread the dots, ramp up their damage modifiers through a channeled cast, set up the CD dots, set up their CDs, and begin ramping into damage
Or classes that just don't have CD windows
and just provide constant damage
Prot War will eventually lose its damage over time as encounters go on, as it doesn't do as much damage as compared to when everything is instantly available
midnight python
anyone got a good mousecursor circle?
tall arrow
Cursortrail addon on Curseforge is what I use.
midnight python
sick tyvm
azure dagger
hello, new prot warrior here, any recommended addons
i checked the faq but couldnt find any sry if i missed it
pallid quiver
You really can get by with just a boss addon and weakauras, but weakauras you slap a bunch of stuff into that work as addons.
neon elk
Go to wowhead /icy veins they have some recomended there
pallid quiver
For weakauras, you'd want something to:
- Track CDs
- Track Shield Block Duration
- Track Outburst
All of these are tracked baseline by Nomeratur's weakaura kit, if you want to just hijack his
neon elk
I would advise for some healthbar one like plater, can make life quite easier
pallid quiver
Plater for nameplates is a good recommendation, yeah
azure dagger
I'm looking into plater and quazlii stuff too, I'll see about weakauras
I also have a q, why do guides not reocmmend taking bolster? Isn't a 60 second cd with 15 sec uptime and shield block super good
pallid quiver
We only need three shield block uptime talents to maintain 100% effective uptime in combat, and bolster competes with Spell Block, a defensive CD that is extremely good
azure dagger
Ahhh
pallid quiver
The other SB uptime talents, for the record, are Enduring Defenses, Heavy Repercussions, and Champion's Bulwark
azure dagger
These are a lot of good talents compared to some other classes
Though I see that SB uptime is king
neon elk
I'm looking into plater and quazlii stuff too, I'll see about weakauras
One advice , if u get his plater profile , check for colour for casts, for me "frontals" and " important casts" were pretty much same color and had yo change one
pallid quiver
SB is our main mitigation tool, since the largest majority of damage intake that ever comes in is physical, and pretty much every source of physical damage that's not a bleed is blockable
It reduces damage by a non-zero amount.
And for spell block, if you crit block, you can block by an all of the damage amount, because it doesn't have a cap on the damage reduction for zero reason.
onyx sandal
What's the haste "breakpoint" in which Into the Fray becomes better than Heavy Repercussions?
pallid quiver
It's been around 40% haste before buffs off the top of my head before, but it did get nerfed to provide less haste, so I'm not sure what it's roughly at now
lusty grotto
you cant get to it this season
pallid quiver
You'll still use it in raid regardless of the breakpoint
lusty grotto
worry about it next season
onyx sandal
kk
and if we wanted to take disrupting shout because some of these mob pulls seem pretty awful with casts
pallid quiver
you cant get to it this season
i think i heard nome messing with it in beta that it is actually reachable if you have literally every single last source of haste possible
onyx sandal
what would you all drop, looking at the wowhead MT M+ rec
jagged gust
and if we wanted to take disrupting shout because some of these mob pulls seem p...
pretty easy swap
pallid quiver
and if we wanted to take disrupting shout because some of these mob pulls seem p...
You drop bloodsurge if playing Thane
Thunderlord has too much value with all the claps and blasts we get out
onyx sandal
You drop bloodsurge if playing Thane
makes sense
onyx sandal
Thunderlord has too much value with all the claps and blasts we get out
for sure
pallid quiver
Do note it is a decently notable drop in rage gen, so you're giving up your ability to scale with pull size as well in order to pick up disrupting shout
It is more of a benefit that it was in Dragonflight considering how many mobs will just instantly resume casting the same spell unless you actively interrupt them, but it does still cost you
it used to be more in direct competition with things like intimidating shout, which people just weren't pressing, but now you press int shout and half the mobs just dare you to stop them again
onyx sandal
yeah feels like more of a pug group just in case thing
pallid quiver
If you're using it as a just in case thing, it will almost never serve you that purpose
It's better to just pull smaller to what you can actively control
It's just not up often enough, and you lose out on damage and CD uptime from losing bloodsurge
onyx sandal
fair enough, the 1.5 m CD is brutal
pallid quiver
It is extremely good at specific use cases, though, like if you can schedule multiple interrupt casts to go off at once, from doing something like leaping into a group to get them to all aggro at the same time, or to do things like aid in grouping the mobs on last boss of Nokhud Offensive
It gains high value when planned around like that, in comparison to a just in case tool
onyx sandal
yeah it felt critical on Nokhud with how spread out those mobs were
pallid quiver
Nokhud also had lots of value from mobs that would cast at the same time and you would need/prefer to interrupt them all, as well, from mobs around the totems in 2nd boss area to the casters around 3rd boss area
So dungeons like that are good ways of thinking about how to get use out of disrupting if you do decide to talent into it
onyx sandal
That all makes sense. Thank you!
versed solar
Has anyone used their first spark yet? What's a good crafted item?
cold surge
I made a shield.. Kinda by mistake since I didn't realise it took a spark to craft the one I did, but eh, it works 😁
ionic fern
Has anyone used their first spark yet? What's a good crafted item?
Not yet.
spice glade
ionic fern
Jeah.
The inevitable tuning pass.
Though, tbf, Embellishments will still probably be like 1-1.5%, so the difference should be marginal.
hollow sphinx
Im so often caping with my rage in HC dungeons - and yes I’m taking care of my IP. Am I missing sth? 😄 rage can be used via revenge and or IP. Am I missing sth ?
pallid quiver
I'm likely going to craft embel on shield/wrists to start with once I get the crests for them, but I also ain't crafting until I get those crests and tuning finishes up
pallid quiver
Im so often caping with my rage in HC dungeons - and yes I’m taking care of my I...
You shouldn't be taking care of your IP if you're capping
you should just keep sending it into IP
molten gorge
It's off the gcd, just spam it when you're capping fast
pallid quiver
Doesn't matter if it's capped or not, as the spec lives or dies on being able to generate and spend as much rage as possible
ebon plank
I guess co-tank weak auras are still not published for the raid tier?
sand pebble
Im so often caping with my rage in HC dungeons - and yes I’m taking care of my I...
Legit ignore the shield from ip or what it does - start looking at ip as purely a off the gcd rage dump - the only thing you need to maintain is shield block - send rage on ip even if ip is capped
errant leaf
What trinkets are we chasing ?
strong forum
Otherwise larynx is also really good
But yeah the trinket bis list is updated on wowhead
It doesn't include all trinkets yet, but the most important ones imo
timid nacelle
and its gone
Sorry, please ignore my ignorance, why is tome gone?
jagged pier
dungeon isnt in the pool in S1
strong forum
Starting with reset only s1 dungeons are available on heroic or higher
jagged pier
im surre there will be
timid nacelle
Ah I didn't realise that. Thanks for the input. Guess I'll be spamming some Priory tonight
strong forum
ionic fern
But also, just use your SL portals
Oo, forgot about that.
strong forum
Time to grind mists for that haste shield
cursive orbit
do i need a shield to tank dungons while lvling?
strong forum
And nw for the bigass haste ring
strong forum
do i need a shield to tank dungons while lvling?
Without a shield you can't press most of your buttons, so yes
cursive orbit
that makes sense tnx
steel mist
@strong forum what do you think of the trinket larynx that drops from the first boss of city of threads? its simming high for me and I see Sense equipping it
jagged pier
scroll up
jagged pier
we dont know if its under or oversimming tho
ionic fern
Sim go up, i use.
steel mist
I have the shadowed orb trinket and its POPPING in single target on bosses
thorny stone
For Mythic+ content, the FAQ and Icy Veins both recommend using Intimidating Shout, but Wowhead doesn’t. Are we speccing into Intimidating Shout? Have you found too many mobs that can’t be feared? I cant imagine playing without that button : (
graceful kite
Time to grind mists for that haste shield
Or highroll and get ansurek shield
Haste crit 4/6 track is juicy
thorny stone
they both have intim shout talented
wowhead doesnt
strong forum
It's just super hard to fit in intim Shout
jagged pier
does for colossus
strong forum
And with shockwave on a 25sec most of the time you kinda don't need intim
jagged pier
and did in pre season i guess the choice is yours between shorter shockwave or intim shout
personally imma just drop intervene
thorny stone
personally imma just drop intervene
not a bad idea
strong forum
I used it shit ton on beta
The magic absorb on ally is so fun
Cuz there's so many casts going off on people
jagged pier
i dont do content where that is meaningful at all
strong forum
You gain loads of value from it
Smh
BUT IT'S FUN
TO MIN-MAX
Also I don't have intim Shout talented cuz I'm running out of fucking keybinds
strong forum
Can also drop endurance training or crackling thunder
jagged pier
im always gunna recommend taking it but i know like 99% of ppl dont or really under use it
strong forum
But theyre also just nice
jagged pier
so is what it is
muted pike
Hey, is prot hard to play coming from fury? I wanna try it and lvl an alt as the queues are instant
graceful kite
<:shruge:1111204342830223421> i dont do content where that is meaningful at all
It's always an extra mobility button to get out of a swirlie
strong forum
Prot is super easy
graceful kite
Like in cinderbrew
thorny stone
can trade anything in green for intim
I’ll remove endurance training. I’d rather lose 5% stamina or the crit chance from cruel strikes to have both cc and intervene. My friends play like literal monkeys, so I need all the help I can get
thanks!
muted pike
Prot is super easy
Nice, my only tanking experience is veng from lvl 77 to 80 lol
muted pike
Well leveling dungeons are easy anyways
rigid hull
w8 what defense stance is 10%
graceful kite
You keep shield block up (as in press it when you can if you're in combat) , use everything that gives you damage on cd, ca also use defensives on cd
rigid hull
when did they nerf it
orchid gulch
Difficulty is subjective. Most reliable way to figure it out is to try it yourself.
graceful kite
And press shield slap and thunder clap
halcyon crystal
Warrior has more style
muted pike
Thank you guys, will try it tonight after work
rigid hull
Should be 16%
OH shit
jade panther
I feel like the very rare neck and cloak from raid should be tank prio, AMRIGHT ? x)
I already know shamys are gonna take ansurek shield from me for weeks 😢
chilly brook
I already know shamys are gonna take ansurek shield from me for weeks 😢
If dps or healers are getting shields prio’d over a tank that’s wild
blazing condor
its a wild time we living in
jade panther
did we even get prio on shields before ?
the elemshamys i talked to all told me "yep that shield is bis for me go f yourself"
chilly brook
did we even get prio on shields before ?
I mean you should
Considering it’s actually super important to your ability to do your job
Whereas a shield for a shaman is just a stat stick and ultimately a very very small impact to their damage output
jade panther
I just have to hope that tanks get a prio roll since i'm pugging the raid with my m+ mates
strong forum
did we even get prio on shields before ?
It's literally the only item you give a shit about
Fuck this eles 300 dps
For you it's literally a 25% survival increase
25%
Going from 590 to 639 shield
jade panther
I KNOW 😢
strong forum
Yeah so bully them back
rigid hull
Going from 590 to 639 shield
whats the ilvl on crafted shield
strong forum
636
lyric bluff
What m+ Level do you need to get crest for 636 craft?
strong forum
when will we be sure about crafting
When you can't keep it in your pants any longer
strong forum
What m+ Level do you need to get crest for 636 craft?
I think 8+?
lyric bluff
Seems +4-8 is wyrm and 9+ is aspect
chilly brook
I KNOW 😢
Quite literally frame it like this “Ele gets super small DPS increase from bis shield, I gain 25% survival increase because block stat”
Any Ele shaman that cries about losing a shield to a fucking tank that relies on the shield to do their job is an idiot
It’s literally the most important piece of gear for you as a prot warrior
strong forum
BTW going from 489 shield to 590 shield is a 100% increase
Block goes from 20% DR to 40%
So yeah... It's BIG FUCKING IMPORTANTE
royal mist
Is there a reason we don't consider the clanking cuffs (engineering bracers) with the full allocation to haste?
lyric bluff
Well as a pug no one gonna care, and they shouldnt. They have a talent that forces them to shield/1h so a good statstick is a good statstick
jade panther
❤️ you guys
strong forum
Is there a reason we don't consider the clanking cuffs (engineering bracers) wit...
Cuz it's a spark on a shitty slot
I think
royal mist
The Everforged Vambraces take a spark as well. Im going to assume that it's because you are using a tinker instead of an embellishment I guess.
eager phoenix
since crafted items are -3 ilvl under max you end up using 3 items at lower ilvl (tinker bracer + embellishments) instead of just 2 (embellishments). idk if tinkers are good enough to justify that. main reason to have engi bracers in df was cus of the cr tinker but engi cr isnt tied to tinkers in tww
strong forum
The Everforged Vambraces take a spark as well. Im going to assume that it's beca...
Si
round pendant
why did dorki suggest just sitting in dstance 24/7
I get that it doesn't chunk your dps anymore but is it really worth losing 3% crit 🤔
strong forum
Cuz it's just minor min-maxing to swap around
I'll still do it 
In DF even when it was a massive penalty people still just afk'd in d-stance
round pendant
Can't think of a reason other than wanting to recline to not just camp bstance and use it as a defensive
yeah like it's still objectively worse but I guess it's really minor now
though I guess any given guide is more targeted towards newer/worse players
marble cipher
Well, I wouldn't go as far as to say "newer/worse" players are the ones sticking to d-stance.
The way it is now, it's a completely understandable choice to stay in d-stance. The extra 3% crit will not suddenly time your key, and "ideally", your healer can put out more extra dps than your 3% crit could do because you're in d-stance.
But, to each their own, I can totally understand people still stitting in b-stance too 😄
round pendant
That's not what I said but ye I get you
I'm just saying that that's the reason for him to say "camp dstance" in his video rather than adding any nuance
not that people who camp dstance are bad since it's so minor now
marble cipher
Fair, I should get more coffee first before readin stuff diagonally 🤣
round pendant
in df if you camped dstance you were bad tho
marble cipher
Absolutely
strong forum
The argument of "healer can do more dmg" because of you doing something out of the ordinary is just a bad argument, it won't make the healer cast more dmg spells in 98% of scenarios unless you're willingly getting yourself chunked
round pendant
I mean 15% dr is like 15% less heals they need to cast on you, no?
I could see it adding up to more than 3% extra crit worth of damage maybe
depends on the healer spec
strong forum
That's not at all how ehrps works xd
Most healing tanks get it passive aoe healing and maintenance hots
sour fossil
So i have a question about food consumables. The guide is recommending: Beledar's Bounty.
My friend who is playing ret, have the ret guide recommend: Jester's Board.
When looking at tooltip, they say the exact same, the difference being Jester = 430 gold pr. item. and Bele is 13 gold pr. item.
What is going on here? xd I tried eating both and nothing is different
strong forum
Not active heals being sent
molten gorge
It's always gonna need a ton of factors surely? Like what key you're in, the dmg type and how high it is, is it worth the risk of you dying etc
strong forum
So i have a question about food consumables. The guide is recommending: Beledar'...
Doesn't matter which food you pick, since both grant the same buff, it's the buff that matters not the exact name of the food
round pendant
We're pwars tho, there's lots of scenarios where we do need to be topped up
strong forum
No
round pendant
even if it's just 1 pack or boss in a dungeon
strong forum
Not at all
round pendant
though idk shit about this seasons dungeons
sour fossil
Doesn't matter which food you pick, since both grant the same buff, it's the buf...
I am aware, i am just confused that one is 430 gold and the other is 13 gold when it's the exact same, maybe i had missed something, but oh well
strong forum
1 is just currently harder to acquire
That's all there is to it
Emphasis on currently
round pendant
Chunky bleeds and dots aren't just something you shrug off?
strong forum
Chunky bleeds and dots aren't just something you shrug off?
Yeah you do, by using your cds
I could literally solo alot of m+ packs on beta
molten gorge
Dwarf GANG
strong forum
On a +10
round pendant
yeah like I said idk about this season so I can't say
I hope that's the case
it was my least favourite part about dungeons in df
just bleeds that FUCK you
round pendant
what ilvl was the gear in beta? 610 or something?
strong forum
I did 26 atal without a healer, throne 25 without a healer, good tanks barely require healer attention
626 for a +10
Was easier to do a +10 at 626 than a +5 at 587
Ilvl go brrr
round pendant
df felt so weird to me
strong forum
DF was too easy to tank imo
Was boring
Nothing hurt
Nothing that required brain
Maybe TWW is more fun
Now that we heal less
round pendant
I only ever disliked crocs (pita to los them imo) and crawth
but the second time we got crawth it literally did no damage??
the rest was yeah, no healer input required
OH I guess jade serpent was kinda brutal
strong forum
Cds/better group/evoker
round pendant
third boss
strong forum
Yeah but that's 1 boss each
So you're aware that they fuck
So you're ready for it
And devise a plan
Once that plan is there, it's just executing the plan
Unless you permanently yolo
Which you shouldn't do
You should be aware which pack/boss requires which cooldowns
And play accordingly
round pendant
I actually liked those bosses for that reason
tulip oar
Jade serpent was a bitch. That and Crow from Academy were the only bosses that scared me.
Crow on 20 Tyrannical sucks.
blazing condor
just dodge
strong forum
Can't dodge
round pendant
I really didn't like croc packs though
but mainly cause uncoordinated pug groups ig
I had one group where everyone cc'd properly and it was great
marble cipher
croc packs could be outranged, but, they often just bit your party members then
Turned into a "their problem" that way haha (obv not ideal)
round pendant
nah it's not their problem if you get them chomped
tulip oar
They should of dodged, lol.
round pendant
I can't think of like any dungeons where dps players have to all of a sudden outrange some short targeted ability
especially randomly if the tank just decides to try to kill them
other than maybe frontals but those don't really count
marble cipher
I wouldn't trust it either, they already have a very hard time avoiding frontals...
round pendant
it's just not something that's telegraphed very clearly either
dps players need dbm going honk honk in their ears to become aware of something
chilly brook
I wouldn't trust it either, they already have a very hard time avoiding frontals...
I mean you’re expecting someone to understand a mechanic that isn’t a part of their role and dodge it when you decide to outrange it when it’s not even telegraphed
Like I wouldn’t count croc bites as a dps failure mechanic it’s just a shitty mechanic
marble cipher
I never said that they should've avoided it, I merely stated you "could" outrange it, but that it wasn't a good choice to do so.
Was all said as a joke that it would then be "their" problem.
People in here take stuff too serious. I'll refrain from joking 😄
Frontals on the other hand... That IS their problem, unless you turn mobs around just as they do it
tulip oar
dps players need dbm going honk honk in their ears to become aware of something
That's sadly the state of the game since... well forever.
Especially frontals that turn and target someone.
marble cipher
Best frontal deaths were always, and will always be DH's dashing through mobs just as it's happening.
tulip oar
Lol, I don't know. Mage blinking into it is pretty hilarious as well.
marble cipher
Fair
round pendant
Like I wouldn’t count croc bites as a dps failure mechanic it’s just a shitty me...
yeah it sucks
Bad group and you have to do wack los stuff that you never have to do anywhere else in any other dungeon ever
tulip oar
The one that instantly comes to mind is the Muzala death beam. Right or left, dumb ass blinked right into it.
round pendant
or be a dwarf
you know what could be nice as tank trinkets
stat sticks that provide on-uses that can fill certain weaknesses
like bleed removal or whatever
guess that devalues dwarves tho
sweet summit
erm
waxen frigate
What the sigma
strong forum
stat sticks that provide on-uses that can fill certain weaknesses
AW hell naw