10's are 325-330
#protection
umbral coral
Hello, sorry if this question was already asked a million times; but what does the "ignore armor" part from thunder blast exactly do in pve ? Do bosses and trashes have armor ? And if yes, how big is the damage increase ?
mellow quartz
everything has armor yes
neat crow
7's are 265-270 so you would just need 8x 7's to get 2k
Sounds like a good choice outside of rushing for curve
Do delves give token this time?
Like if u did the max levels on mythic week does that have an achievement + token associated?
mellow quartz
I am not aware of Delves giving the token
unreal lily
What token are you guys talking about?
Just trying to gather info on everything I should be doing
pallid quiver
The tier token
Lets you pick a tier piece of your choice
It has traditionally come from either getting AOTC or 2k IO
It's slightly more important than S4 DF because we've gone back to every other week for cata charges, rather than every week like S4
next copper
Is Colossal Might not giving a stack for anyone else playing Colossus when hitting 3+ targets with Revenge*?
unreal lily
Lets you pick a tier piece of your choice
Ok thank you!
pallid quiver
Is Colossal Might not giving a stack for anyone else playing Colossus when hitti...
You're not talented into Seismic Reverb in the class tree
it's tied to seismic
even though it doesn't say it is
toxic pewter
did they change having both fort and tyran to +10? wasnt it +12?
next copper
even though it doesn't say it is
Whack, didn't know. Thanks.
strong forum
Hello, sorry if this question was already asked a million times; but what does t...
every mob has 30% armor, meaning physical damage does 30% less dmg to everything. Stormstrike ignores that, meaning it does 30% extra dmg by default
covert elbow
as earthen prot warrior, which gem to eat?
mellow quartz
did they change having both fort and tyran to +10? wasnt it +12?
10's are for fort and tyran, 12s are for the new affix of 20% hp and damage on top
toxic pewter
10's are for fort and tyran, 12s are for the new affix of 20% hp and damage on t...
Ok interesting.. I must of confused/conflated the two thanks
pallid quiver
as earthen prot warrior, which gem to eat?
@strong forum Actually, now that I think about it, it might be useful as a whole for the guide writers to add in Earthen food on the consumables pages in the future. I don't think any of them on Wowhead have it atm, but I wager there'll be more question like this in the future
mellow quartz
What about the wowhead guide saying you should use the same haste crit gem in all slots but that crystal thing requires you have to 'different gem colors' to get the 0.15% crit buff. We just don't care about stacking this?
tribal wharf
apparently with the new earthen explore xp bonus you can get from lvl 1 to 70 as earthen with 0 dungeons,questsor kills
in 3 hours
strong forum
What about the wowhead guide saying you should use the same haste crit gem in al...
last i checked we didnt
ill start some 
today i think
tribal wharf
hell, if all i gotta do is fly around as earthen for 3 and a half hours.......
wet atlas
Will Battle Stance still be used?
strong forum
ofc
tribal wharf
defensive stance is if you have a reasonable suspicion you will die to something
something that hits extremely hard dmg is the common example
livid meadow
hey ! do you guys know if any weak aura for reflect will be done when season start or do i need to remember everything important i need to reflect with the spreashit ?
pallid quiver
Will Battle Stance still be used?
As long as you're not dying, there's no reason to be in Defensive Stance, since you can swap into it off the GCD
wet atlas
Dorkii posted a video last night stating we should be in d stance the whole time as battle stance wasnt worth it, wasnt sure if something had changed
toxic pewter
O_O
pallid quiver
but you're also only losing 3% crit, so if you forget to swap into defensive stance, you're not losing that much anymore not staying in it
But by the time permanently staying in def stance is required for you, the entire rest of the party has been dead for multiple key levels
solemn kelp
Does Nomeratur already know that the raid BIS list has a Hands item in the Wrist slot?
tribal wharf
depends how well your ability to keep up shield block and dump with IP when high rage and keep shield pointed at enemies and use cds on cd
i assume, those would determine how much more you sit in defensive stance
pallid quiver
Does Nomeratur already know that the raid BIS list has a Hands item in the Wrist...
@strong forum probably not, since bis lists aren't something most of us who'd proofread would look at too hard
there's another for the list
toxic gyro
Dorkii posted a video last night stating we should be in d stance the whole time...
If you’re not taking much dmg and healer’s + yours passive healing is keeping you healthy then there’s no reason for you to sit in dstance. If you’re getting trucked then you should be in dstance.
toxic pewter
why dorki goin aroun tellin people to stay in d stance is that true or fake news
pallid quiver
Dorkii posted a video last night stating we should be in d stance the whole time...
Another side benefit of default to Battle, swap to D Stance when needed is that it gets you thinking about your damage intake and where it's important to actively mitigate damage. You'll be caught off guard much less often by potential high damage scenarios since you'll be thinking about what hurts
pallid quiver
https://i.imgur.com/NKcUl8y.png
Raid bis
strong forum
ah i see what you mean
pallid quiver
So the lower one
Though to be fair, it would be hella bis if you could get hand stats on a wrist piece
tribal wharf
still no embellishment tunings eh
solemn kelp
Wait it magically fixed itself.
pallid quiver
smh the power of having local copies and draft vision
winged oar
yooo anyone know if we got a sim running? 
pallid quiver
tell my broswer to clear its cache so i can view it instead of the cached page so i don't have to call you a liar even though i know you're not
strong forum
reload it
pallid quiver
yooo anyone know if we got a sim running? <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Sims should be up to date, so you can plop into Raidbots and be fine
strong forum
smh
winged oar
oh perfect
neat crow
why dorki goin aroun tellin people to stay in d stance is that true or fake news
Probably true knowing the approach of most of the tank players in their circle
Aka "full training wheels until ur good at the class"
strong forum
why dorki goin aroun tellin people to stay in d stance is that true or fake news
basically doesnt matter these days
toxic pewter
Yeah I guess so
what a complete and utter failure of design
may go down as one of the worst fails in many years
pallid quiver
Like, even as a person who hunts for damage, that crit is not gonna be a drastic difference or anything. I don't think there's anything wrong with perma-d stance other than what I mentioned above; it helps cultivate the mindset to look for how damage comes in
wet atlas
why dorki goin aroun tellin people to stay in d stance is that true or fake news
he says it at the 7:26 mark of his video he posted last night on youtube
toxic pewter
This is why I have been against stances since df beta
time has truly proven me right once again
toxic gyro
Like, even as a person who hunts for damage, that crit is not gonna be a drastic...
There’s also no reason to sit in dstance when you’re not taking dmg.
winged oar
bring back dual wield tanking!
pallid quiver
bring back dual wield tanking!
it's called DH
winged oar
😦
winged oar
lol
chilly brook
This is why I have been against stances since df beta
You’re only correct because blizzard has aggressively over time removed the damage penalty (mostly) from defensive stance
toxic pewter
well yeah they have homogenized the stances so much because they are stuck with them because arms needs it
chilly brook
They also made defensive stance better
chilly brook
well yeah they have homogenized the stances so much because they are stuck with ...
Arms could literally be the only spec that has defensive stance
Just like it used to be
toxic pewter
they are a proven fail
chilly brook
There’s no reason for them to have stances if it’s just for parity with arms
chilly brook
they are a proven fail
They weren’t though?
chilly brook
Blizzard just thought that it was bad that people didn’t sit in defensive stance the entire time
toxic pewter
they turned a passive into a shotty stance
chilly brook
They are pointless if there’s basically no difference in damage
toxic pewter
like just bring back vanguard lol
chilly brook
They aren’t if there isn’t
toxic pewter
????????????????????
chilly brook
Which there used to not be
toxic pewter
if there is no choice in stances why even have them
chilly brook
Until blizzard started fucking around
toxic pewter
this is called poor design
chilly brook
But it was perfectly fine most of DF
toxic pewter
I am just telling it like it is, bringing back the stances is a fail always was- and time has proven me correct and will continue to be the case.
just bad.
chilly brook
It was an easy and fairly unobtrusive extra button that did make a skill check
tulip oar
It was meh in DF. The last time I felt stances mattered... uh, maybe Legion.
chilly brook
We didn’t have stances in legion tf
toxic gyro
I am just telling it like it is, bringing back the stances is a *fail* always wa...
Not true. It was fun to Stance dance. Knowing dmg patterns and adjusting to that.
Griff is 100% right.
toxic pewter
Na
chilly brook
Not true. It was fun to Stance dance. Knowing dmg patterns and adjusting to that...
apb is the king of terrible takes
I should know
I’m a million gold richer for it
tribal wharf
did you guys say signet of priory is good?
toxic pewter
the choice was never actually difficult or interesting. it was mostly just a feel bad decision like, sigh, now I am going to lose some damage
tulip oar
Which expac did we get Black Rook hold? (Fuck my memory is shit)
toxic gyro
apb is the king of terrible takes
I remember him being a total noob in here. When did he grow such a big balls ?
toxic pewter
the worst and most accurate issue with stances is they are actually just not fun
tribal wharf
only trinkets i dont have now are the taunt one and spider egg related ones, and then the bee
toxic gyro
the choice was never actually difficult or interesting. it was mostly just a fee...
Maybe for you. I liked stance dancing. It was adding something extra to the plate.
tulip oar
the worst and most accurate issue with stances is they are actually just not fun
Or anything that wasn't just a macro.
chilly brook
Which expac did we get Black Rook hold? (Fuck my memory is shit)
Legion but defensive stance was an arms talent and didn’t exist for prot
toxic pewter
Na df turned prot warr into training wheels anyway.. the stance situation just never felt right, fun, or good. blizz themselves know it, which is why they homogenized the stances so that they do not matter any longer.
tulip oar
Legion but defensive stance was an arms talent and didn’t exist for prot
I thought we were talking about its use in general. My bad.
toxic gyro
Na df turned prot warr into training wheels anyway.. the stance situation just n...
You just didn’t play correctly then lol…
chilly brook
I thought we were talking about its use in general. My bad.
Yeah but we didn’t have stances outside of arms in legion was what I was saying
That design got removed in WoD
tulip oar
Yeah but we didn’t have stances outside of arms in legion was what I was saying
Rgr, my error for coming in mid-conversation
toxic pewter
You just didn’t play correctly then lol…
You can attack me personally but it is undeniable the stance situation has proven to be a major L, hopefully blizz will do the correct and right choice and just remove them as they have overstayed their re-welcome.
chilly brook
Stances were fine
What made them not fine was the massive buffs to defensive stance to make it more attractive to sit in instead of using it when you feel you need something extra
toxic gyro
You can attack me personally but it is undeniable the stance situation has prov...
How come? You could’ve sit dstance and ignore it. Or you could’ve min max a little more and do more dmg once you got familiar with dmg patterns. Sounds like a w to me.
tribal wharf
you know how you can change spiders to crabs? both are still equally scary to me after playing these games
tulip oar
You can attack me personally but it is undeniable the stance situation has prov...
Maybe that would finally get them to fix Arms to be good and fun to play.
chilly brook
Arms is good and fun tho
wooden widget
Why can’t d stance just be a button that lasts 6 to 8 seconds like a normal defensive. With a minor dps loss
tribal wharf
still have nightmares about those creatures
chilly brook
Why can’t d stance just be a button that lasts 6 to 8 seconds like a normal defe...
That’s kinda exactly how it works
Or worked
toxic gyro
Why can’t d stance just be a button that lasts 6 to 8 seconds like a normal defe...
That defeats purpose of stance, it would be a cooldown.
wooden widget
Df was my first exp playing prot
toxic pewter
Time has proven me right once again.. must add it to my already long list of W's
chilly brook
Granted you could sit in longer but iirc there is an internal CD longer than 2 seconds to allow you going between stances
wooden widget
What’s the purpose of stance?
The purpose is this weird design? Or is the purpose to reduce dmg taken. Like, you know, a defensive cd.
chilly brook
What’s the purpose of stance?
A passive buff that you can sit in that offers a specific buff
tribal wharf
in the old days of classic, it was you had to be in defense stance to use alot of shield shit
couldnt heroic strike from defense
toxic pewter
Just bring back vanguard lol
inland raft
their options are just make stances aura buffs like they are now, return to the days of abilities tied behind stances with penalty for swapping, or just go back to vanguard
wooden widget
People say to use d stance exactly like a cooldown. Only when you’re about to take life threatening dmg. We literally use it like a defensive CD.
chilly brook
Classic classic you needed stances for specific abilities
Once that was removed (rightfully so) it became different buffs for different situations but the buffs were always a part of the stance
wooden widget
So just make it a button
chilly brook
It is a button
You press it
Then after damage passed or you’re feeling safe again you press it again to go back to battle stance and do more damage
tulip oar
What’s the purpose of stance?
So originally it was to limit certain abilities' use. Not just for Prot, but all warrior specs. It's something that remained from when we had one tree for all specs.
chilly brook
So just make it a button
inland raft
it is a button, just instead of a set duration you choose how long you want it
tribal wharf
it could be some shit like, defensive stance increases shield slam thunder clap damage 10% and then battle stance is 10% revenge damage, bleeds
lofty warren
The great one has spoken https://youtu.be/Jr0TN9fL_R0?si=TuGcgMrDbEoLjgGN
chilly brook
Such pepega takes this morning man
toxic pewter
Mine is not though
lofty warren
Your welc9me
chilly brook
Mine is not though
Your takes are always pepega
toxic pewter
"just sit in D stance, it does not matter anymore"
"this is great design, surely anyone that opposes this is out of touch and wrong"
lofty warren
The idea says I can drop intervene yay
tribal wharf
OMEGALUL
mellow quartz
"just sit in D stance, it does not matter anymore"
"this is great design, sure...
they are just moving more and more towards removing any downside to be in dstance
slowly but surely
lofty warren
I like to sit in Def stance and not worry about it. Ez
toxic pewter
are you okay griff
lofty warren
There's enough things to worry about
mellow quartz
it's 3%, you don't have to care about it
toxic pewter
I am sorry my stance on stances has hit such a nerve
chilly brook
"just sit in D stance, it does not matter anymore"
"this is great design, sure...
That is such an incredibly bad faith argument
chilly brook
You’re purposely misconstruing what I’ve said
lofty warren
That is such an incredibly bad faith argument
Don't be mad because he is correct
toxic pewter
You’re purposely misconstruing what I’ve said
how though
chilly brook
I’ve adamantly said “stances were fine”
And that inherently they are not bad design
mellow quartz
if you do any actual challenging content you will be in defensive stance for the large majority of it anyway, so say you are in battle stance 25% of the time that is 0.75% more dps overall.
That seems like terrible bargin
chilly brook
And that the only reason they are bad design now is because blizzard have continually lessened the gap of d stance and b stance
mellow quartz
And that the only reason they **are** bad design now is because blizzard have co...
they are clearly moving towards removing it or any negatives for prot
toxic pewter
why are you even arguing with me anymore
chilly brook
they are clearly moving towards removing it or any negatives for prot
It’s quite simply because blizzard doesn’t want to balance the game around battle stance
It’s an extra annoyance for tuning for them
mellow quartz
for sure
chilly brook
why are you even arguing with me anymore
Shut the fuck up you brainlet
toxic pewter
you are the one being disingenuous
chilly brook
Ok gaslight gatekeep girl boss
toxic pewter
I am anti-stances and you went on and on saying my position is wrong then you literally backtrack it all and agree with me
LOL
chilly brook
“You’re making my argument even though I hold that stances were always bad”
lofty warren
Winner: apb. Losser: Griff
toxic pewter
who cares about the past im talking about right now
lofty warren
Just give it up and take the L
chilly brook
So you’re ignoring half of what I’m saying just so you can say that I’m agreeing with you and that you’re ultimately correct
chilly brook
Quite literally brain dead
tribal wharf
So you’re ignoring half of what I’m saying just so you can say that I’m agreeing...
pretend like the flowers are yogis
toxic pewter
No no
tribal wharf
yes but no
inland raft
I havnt really dont much so far, only just returning to game and been leveling. I see the recommended build doesnt take intimidating shout anymore? is that because we can get rumbling earth and have more frequent aoe stops anyways?
toxic gyro
ok so you agree with me then
Can you read? He said multiple times that stance “WERE fine” and that they are currently in shit state because blizzard progressively lower the gap between two stances.
That is not agreeing with you in any way. You said that stances are bad design, not fun, etc….
toxic pewter
Can you read? He said multiple times that stance “WERE fine” and that they are c...
? we agree stance design currently is ass and should be removed
What is up with you guys and arguing as if it was 2 years ago
its awkward tbh
toxic gyro
? we agree stance design currently is ass and should be removed
No, they should go back to having bigger gap between the two.
toxic pewter
No, they should go back to having bigger gap between the two.
? that is never going to happen. Blizz themselves said they are unhappy with people playing in bstance and effectively are not a fan of people having to stance dance either.. which is why they obliterated stances and made it so there is no effective choice for the majority of players.
The next logical step is for them to just utterly remove them as they are no longer designed well or fun ( I still hold they never were)
inland raft
that I can agree with, right now the damage difference is very minimal so while its a minmax thing to play in bstance it really isnt going to make a noticeable difference, should be more obvious of a difference
toxic pewter
they had that and no one played prot warr lol
people do not like stance dancing
they never did
only a small % of players enjoy that
especially when the choice feels bad (losing damage)
toxic gyro
? that is never going to happen. Blizz themselves said they are unhappy with peo...
Then again you saying something is fun or not is just YOUR opinion.
toxic pewter
It's all opinion when it comes to fun lol
but fact is blizz stated they were unhappy with what you want
They said they were not happy with seeing so many prot warrs in bstance... so they nuked stance choice
toxic gyro
but fact is blizz stated they were unhappy with what you want
They can do whatever they want with their game. Doesn’t mean they’re going right direction…
I also spoke from my point of view.
toxic pewter
Ok
inland raft
if unhappy with bstance and want it to be more situational then rather then just increased damage and losing dstance mitigation make it so take increased damage on top of the lost which widens the gap
chrome falcon
lmao
toxic pewter
blizz nuked stance choice. it is done.
chrome falcon
no shot i join this place for the first time in like a year
and there's a flame war on apb
toxic pewter
let me be the first to welcome you back
chrome falcon
apb how do you do this every day it's been like 4 years
toxic pewter
truth knows no time or bounds
wooden widget
Wait is apb yogi
toxic pewter
no that is just a rumor perpetuated some people
chilly brook
? we agree stance design currently is ass and should be removed
I never said they should be removed
toxic pewter
Lol
chilly brook
Yet again another bad faith argument
toxic pewter
Ok
That is the next logical step though, you may disagree but that is the way I see it
time will tell though
inland raft
most likely will happen, my own opinion is I like stance dancing, but its not the end of the world to get rid of it and if majority didnt like it and blizzard wasnt happy with the outcome then it makes sense to just get rid of the idea again
chrome falcon
i didn't realise they removed the damage nerf from defensive stance lol when was that
pallid quiver
no shot i join this place for the first time in like a year
Oh, shoot, hi Matta! Good to see you again
With TWW
chrome falcon
Oh, shoot, hi Matta! Good to see you again
howdy
pallid quiver
They've also decreased its DR as well, for the record
chrome falcon
i am washed up and returning for guidance
chilly brook
i didn't realise they removed the damage nerf from defensive stance lol when was...
They’ve progressively lowered it over the course of DF
chrome falcon
yeah i knew it got reduced during amirdrassil
didn't realise it was totally gone
idk i kinda liked it but i can see how they'd want to remove it
chilly brook
They've also decreased its DR as well, for the record
Important to state that it’s more effective against magic than physical now
chrome falcon
we're kinda meant to be the pepega spec
pallid quiver
Yeah, got 100% cut with TWW, and it got hit as part of the attempt to make tanks more reliant on healers
Hence why the DR is lower than before
chilly brook
It really comes down to they want to balance around d stance and if they do that then b stance is completely overtuned
gaunt oar
Hey guys, has anyone else noticed that Glyph of Falling Thunder doesn't work if we're Mountain Thane?
But it does strike lightning if we're Colossus
inland raft
but in a way caused the tank nerfs to hit warrior probably the least because everyone played bstance and now not much of a reason to so most of the nerfs compensated by just being in dstance now
chilly brook
but in a way caused the tank nerfs to hit warrior probably the least because eve...
Yesnt?
gaunt oar
Does anyone know if this is a bug or is it supposed to be like this?)
pallid quiver
but in a way caused the tank nerfs to hit warrior probably the least because eve...
honestly, the majority played straight def stance and never touched battle
chilly brook
The tank nerfs naturally hit warrior the least
Because of the design of how the class works
pallid quiver
But it definitely hit War the least since it was mostly centered on self-healing aspects
chilly brook
We had less self healing in the past and it wasn’t a huge deal
inland raft
my poor pally, even with scaling and in normal dungeons while obviously a complete breeze like any tank i could notice the difference vs my warrior, dk, dh
pallid quiver
Just be like me and start playing a Pala with Horde Dorfs coming out so you have no past experience to judge against
chilly brook
Blizzard clearly just doesn’t like tanks making choices based on damage output
inland raft
looks like pally rework coming though, so a total repeat of df again
pallid quiver
i may be biased towards hating on pala, but dorfs get a pass because dorfs based
chilly brook
I.e. playing in battle stance and also picking DPS trinkets
toxic pewter
you guys see the sweet changes we getting in 11.0.5?
chilly brook
They’re clearly stuck in 2010 logic of “tanks job is to not die”
pallid quiver
Yeah, I understand the DPS trinkets thing, since it hurts the feels of more players than it helps, since there's shit tons more DPS than there are tanks, so having more people pulling from the same pool is bad for the majority of the playerbase
I don't like it, since it feels like shit for us, but it feels worse for the majority of players to have less ability to enjoy the game since we're also taking loot designed for their role.
because our stuff is shit
inland raft
ya loot competition but also have to look at the game as a whole not just the players who play more seriously and in a lot of lower-mid range content tanks just doing more damage then the dps which while is obviously a skill issue, doesnt feel good for those players so they are trying to widen the gap between roles
pallid quiver
also, for the record, i'm still annoyed that some trash in dungos have the same amount or more mechanics than the bosses in their dungeons, yet there's no way in game to read their mechanics
chilly brook
Yeah it kinda sucks to not get something but tbh most of the time tanks get DPS trinkets in vault not during raid
pallid quiver
'bout to start calling the bosses trash at this point smh
pallid quiver
Yeah it kinda sucks to not get something but tbh most of the time tanks get DPS ...
even though flat DPS trinkets usually should have been prio'd to tanks since it saves slots for DPS to get trinkets that scale them harder, and the DPS is the same DPS regardless of who uses it
chilly brook
~~even though flat DPS trinkets usually should have been prio'd to tanks since i...
Like no shot any serious raid would give signet brand to a tank over their dps
As an example
Or anvil
Loot prio is or always should be dps>tanks>healers
chilly brook
also, for the record, i'm still annoyed that some trash in dungos have the same ...
Also not a fan of this design but it’s the way dungeons have been going steadily since BFA. More and more annoying trash mechanics that you actually need to seek outside information on in order to figure out what’s actually dangerous
pallid quiver
ya loot competition but also have to look at the game as a whole not just the pl...
I personally don't think those people should be adjusted for; mid-tier DPS players should generally out-DPS even some of the best tanks, and there should be a difference if you're actively not playing the game and on the bottom of skill level. The game doesn't function if you're playing at that low of a level, and I also think if people are fine playing at that level, they shouldn't fuss over their ego with meters or anything. It just doesn't fit what they're attempting to do.
unfortunately, social pressure is what it is
pallid quiver
Also not a fan of this design but it’s the way dungeons have been going steadily...
I'd be fine with the design since it is a way to design, and I ultimately don't care in the end as much as the dedicated players, I just want a way in-game baseline to look at abilities
toxic gyro
I mean imo tanks should be like 80% of a dps
Too much balancing with that. You would run into situations A LOT where tanks outdps actual dps.
chilly brook
Too much balancing with that. You would run into situations A LOT where tanks ou...
No you wouldn’t
All dps are well under 10% of each other in DF
pallid quiver
I mean imo tanks should be like 80% of a dps
i think we should be 300% of a dps if tanking
I think that should roughly be the metric aimed for, yeah. I think it's been pretty close to that overall, tbh, through Dragonflight. There's only issues when it comes to mass AOE with classes like Enha Shaman in DF who was hardlocked to 6 targets aoe
toxic gyro
No you wouldn’t
Crappy encounter where range or melee has to move a lot and tank gets 100% uptime.
pallid quiver
I can't think of any actual case scenario where the melee would be hit that hard, since the main skill expression point of melee is uptime optimization. On top of that, most cases, you can just also move the tank and the melee move with them
so they have equal uptime, then
toxic gyro
Not to mention aoe imbalance.
chilly brook
Crappy encounter where range or melee has to move a lot and tank gets 100% uptim...
You’re not going to lose 20-25% of your damage output on most fights because of movement
But even if you did
Who cares
Why is that a problem if a tank on one fight is equal to melee?
pallid quiver
Why is that a problem if a tank on one fight is equal to melee?
dps players lose their god damn minds is why
toxic gyro
You’re not going to lose 20-25% of your damage output on most fights because of ...
You don’t ever want to see tank doing dps numbers or that close to dps numbers considering how much tankier tanks are.
chilly brook
You don’t ever want to see tank doing dps numbers or that close to dps numbers c...
Why
pallid quiver
I still remember the amount of bitching that I got in Pandaland for vengeance
And that's before intentionally taking things to the face to push it even farther
pallid quiver
bring back vengeance btw
chilly brook
Because they you can just bring only tanks and skip healer…
No you won’t
toxic gyro
No you won’t
Well either way there has to be a line between tanks and dps
chilly brook
If you’re 75% of a melee dps you’ve lost a huge amount of damage if you just say fuck it and bring 5-6 tank specs instead of dps
chilly brook
Well either way there has to be a line between tanks and dps
There is
Being 75% of the output of a DPS is a very real line
toxic pewter
I do not think it should be so strict with a specific %
chilly brook
But like smolderon was a very real dps check
You wouldn’t have seen them bring stuff that was 75% of a dps just because it was giga tanky
Same with fyrakk
Most raid fights aren’t limited by survivability
And you’re definitely not bringing 4 tanks and a healer for m+ since Aug is even getting pushed out because timers are so tight that damage matters a ton
mellow quartz
that gear has 3 vers/haste gems?
it has 4 blue gems it seems
also what would it look like in m+ talents and 5 targets
mellow quartz
thats what he is looking at
he had wowhead just use full haste crit gems
so would see if it made more sense using all the different gem colors to optimize the 0.15% crit
strong forum
It's using 4 blue, 1 purp. 1 red 1 green
strong forum
also what would it look like in m+ talents and 5 targets
Didn't sim gems for that
Just went with this
For all sims
mellow quartz
ahh the gear you are using has like 0 vers
strong forum
Correct
mellow quartz
so thats why it prio vers gems
mellow quartz
but use all colors
mellow quartz
yeah thats what I looked at since I thought it was strange the vers was prioritized
but makes sense
run it for 5 targets in m+ talents pls
mellow quartz
yeah
mellow quartz
even 4 different colors is only like 0.5% more crit so makes sense
to be honest
so 8% more movement speed
dusky canopy
Hah! true
mellow quartz
that is pretty big
in keys that is huge
you have 5 different gem colors so can get 10% movement speed as a % and then include speed gear and if you play fast footwork
holy shit we be speeding
coral quartz
Bit of a noob with macro's but unsure to why this is not working. I understand I would need to press it twice to get ravager out any help is appreciated.
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Avatar
/use 14
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
coral quartz
IO thought you could but press it twice to trigger it
strong forum
Nop
coral quartz
Okay thanks my g
woeful trellis
U can write it with cast sequences
violet ginkgo
but is it consistent though with cast sequence?
dusky canopy
they dont allow that becuase otherwise people would play with 1 button macros
the non cast sequence macros I meant
blazing condor
thats why you play fury warrior instead so you only need 3 buttons
paper holly
is flashing skies just visual ? or does it actually do damage
never have i seen a tooltip as unclear as this one lmao
mellow quartz
What’s unclear about it?
paper holly
What’s unclear about it?
was used to blizz giving numbers on how much a spell does damage
mellow quartz
since when and why do we talent into FttF
If you play challenging content then 6% magic DR is good.
BSC is maybe 0.5-1% extra dps
mellow quartz
was used to blizz giving numbers on how much a spell does damage
Thunder blast and lightning strikes are both defined further up in the tree.
shrewd grove
We just sitting in dstance now that the damage reduction is gone? Feels like 3% crit is hardly worth the survivability loss (obviously assuming M+, not heroics)
paper holly
Thunder blast and lightning strikes are both defined further up in the tree.
Fair enough. ty
pallid quiver
We just sitting in dstance now that the damage reduction is gone? Feels like 3% ...
You don't even need the survival in the first place outside of specific situations. You're hitting your own damage for minimal reasons outside of those timeframes, but it's also not that big of a difference
jagged pier
We just sitting in dstance now that the damage reduction is gone? Feels like 3% ...
no point in not dying even harder
warm plinth
We just sitting in dstance now that the damage reduction is gone? Feels like 3% ...
You can, sure. That's still a 2-3% loss in damage though so it's up to you if you want to take that hit. We still recommend being in Battle when there's no danger though (which should still be most of the time)
pallid quiver
since when and why do we talent into FttF
There's no reason to, but BSC also isn't a major gain, either.
shrewd grove
no point in not dying even harder
Fair enough. Then, I guess, we nuke.
covert elbow
for my earthen which gem gives haste when i eat it?
cosmic canyon
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast Avatar
/use 14
/cast [@cursor] Champion's Spear
/cast ...
You can castsequence this with a reset timer of say 25 seconds and/or simply have it never reset, only loop. (means it'll be every other) works best when the cool down is similar / same.
wraith dagger
for my earthen which gem gives haste when i eat it?
Emerald
covert elbow
ty
meager abyss
what do we use our spark on??
pallid quiver
broken drum
**what do we use our spark on??**
nothing yet
vague trout
Is there a setting I can turn on that will show me if a cast will work with spell reflect?
ionic fern
No.
vague trout
that's annoying. Thank you tho
tribal wharf
there is a certain sound that plays when you do it correctly
and the logic that what is reflectable is often super predictable (fireball)
but its a memory game, you have to activate the trap card on them
tidal glacier
are we leaning more towards haste crit or haste verst?
ionic fern
Haste/crit.
tribal wharf
what im saying is essentially like, 3 mobs, maybe less target for turn evil, im like 99.999999999999% sure its bait talent anyway
tidal glacier
Haste/crit.
Thank you
mellow quartz
Unless you have the top gear nome used in sims which leaves you with 6% vers, then it’s vers >
chilly surge
I kinda wanna try tanking in TWW? prot feels very nice to play
sweet summit
prot owns
chilly surge
Main rule is keeping shield block and ignore pain up, i assume
tribal wharf
ill see how far i can get on normal raid week 1 so probably first 3 bosses lol
thats typically how raiding a new raid is for me, kill first 1 - 4 bosses then hard stuck
south zealot
Main rule is keeping shield block and ignore pain up, i assume
keep shield block up and keep shield slam on cooldown
ignore pain being up or not doesnt matter, you play the same regardless
chilly surge
roger roger
south zealot
spend excess rage on ignore pain, dont use ignore pain just because its not active
tribal wharf
having shield block up and pointed at the enemy is priority 1
like, it will completely ruin anything you are trying to do, if you do not press shield block and turn it to enemy, not let them hit from back side
tribal wharf
before ANYTHING outside of like taunting, thats your immediate thing to do
tulip warren
spend excess rage on ignore pain, dont use ignore pain just because its not acti...
how come ? is there a gain to that ? just curious
jolly crystal
There's a cap to how much dammage it can reduce, once you're at that point it's a waste to keep using, and as long as it's up at all it's doing it's job. THe rage is better spent on doing damage
grim pilot
what
u dont want to overcap your rage
you want to get as much cdr on avatar as possible via am
and revenge is not enough
also tb/tc/ss are just better
tulip warren
ignore pain reduces the avatar timer ?
plush tendon
rage spent gives Avatar CDR
pallid quiver
There's a cap to how much dammage it can reduce, once you're at that point it's ...
Sending rage on IP enables you to send rage to fuel:
Violent Outburst, big damage and rage gen
Anger Management, reduce CD on SW and Avatar
Indom, heals you
tulip warren
got it
plush tendon
Ignore Pain is a off the GCD spender
pallid quiver
Just for three quick things
Having an oGCD spender makes it so you can press both a generator and a spender on the same GCD
muted arch
what are you guys using your spark for?
pallid quiver
Which means you can spend more globals generating instead of spending, meaning you get more rage overall
muted arch
sparks*
muted arch
was planning to hold it til reset, guess ill be holding it even longer? lmao
plush tendon
once you see the tuning
you can make a good decision
dont wanna get bamboozled by blizz
pallid quiver
I wouldn't even think of spending it until week after M raid opens, at best week of M raid
plush tendon
I wouldn't even think of spending it until week after M raid opens, at best week...
we'll have two sparks by then tbf
pallid quiver
ye
muted arch
we'll have two on tuesday wont we
pallid quiver
so you can send one on good embel, and one on a shield if you get cheated by RNG
plush tendon
theres just no real rush yet
pallid quiver
They're not even particularly major increases to performance, either, so I wouldn't stress
muted arch
nice okay, didnt play DF
but im also playing a bit of fury, and versa is their second recommended
behind 2h weapon embelishment which i obvi cant do
pallid quiver
If you're playing a DPS spec often, I'd recommend aiming for their embels, as they mean slightly more for DPS than for tanks, and they're close enough for it to not matter as much for Prot. Once tuning hits, ofc
muted arch
but that would mean using my spark on 2h weapon
would prefer to craft something i can use for both specs haha
pallid quiver
One of the bigger reasons for sending spark on 2H would be to get a high ilvl wep as fast as possible, since weapon ilvl is very important for damage output
shrewd ore
both specs want to craft wep/shield anyways so ur sub-optimal in all cases already anyways
pallid quiver
Even if it's not an embel, wep is usually very high up for things to craft as a result
You can likely skimp out on a 2H craft by simply getting lucky and getting a 2H drop early
plush tendon
there is a shield off the first boss in Mythic
pallid quiver
there is a shield off the first boss in Mythic
i dont think m raid exists
plush tendon
and a 1h off third boss
pallid quiver
That's a myth
muted arch
yeah i think the general recommendation for us is to use sparks to fill out gear in a couple weeks
but fury is sending it on the 2h to get the embelishment
plush tendon
goal next week for everyone is gonna be 'get aotc, do delves/spend keys, and do M0 to fill out'
pallid quiver
^^^
Should be able to get above 600 ilvl even without a single drop of H raid gear
shrewd ore
gonna be like 610 if you raid hc
pallid quiver
even if you're a rock dorf and swindled out of multiple keys
plush tendon
and M0 is a on a dialy lockout and is like 597593 or some shit
pallid quiver
rock dorfs can only have the 4 base keys + keys from rep iirc
593 for M0
unless they snuck it up again
tribal wharf
i was assuming it would drop 1/8 veterans which is 584
pallid quiver
that's why i haven't been encouraging people to go mad nuts upgrading stuff to 593 because
you're just gonna sidegrade it if you don't have crests/stones to spend
muted arch
are you guys doing t8 delves before tuesday raid?
shrewd ore
you should
tribal wharf
well, like, we dont have crafting tuning
shrewd ore
biggest upgrade you can get to do the t8
pallid quiver
I'm pug life, so 100%
muted arch
wondering how soloable theyll be
shrewd ore
should be ez as tank
pallid quiver
wondering how soloable theyll be
Delves are designed to be solo content
tribal wharf
see what happens when it comes
pallid quiver
You'd just likely have to do, like, the mechanics
muted arch
yeah prob easier to solo as tank than to take a group eh?
jagged gust
Everything's easy when you're a warrior
shrewd ore
I think 3 man tank + 2 good dps is probs fastest with 1 that can offheal
tribal wharf
prot paladin is something i've been trying to lvl up
tribal wharf
nah, he a troll
pallid quiver
he loves blizzard removing the funniest enemy faction in the game
I miss running into the Zandalari just in random ass places
tribal wharf
pallid quiver
if we didn't get them playable in BFA, I bet we would've seen a zandalari colony in the shadowlands
muted arch
has anyone actually looked into delves? can you repeat the same bountiful devle
pallid quiver
"NOBODY CAN MATCH DE ZANDALARI"
pallid quiver
has anyone actually looked into delves? can you repeat the same bountiful devle
iirc once you clear one, even with not a key, the bountiful status wears off
tribal wharf
those horns are WAY too yellow but i saw them in the auction house for a good price so i bought them
pallid quiver
From what I remember from hitting the quest for the mount
muted arch
iirc once you clear one, even with not a key, the bountiful status wears off
ah damn, was hoping to just find the fastest one and blast it multiple times haha
pallid quiver
They cycle through over time
jagged gust
Nah, it's gonna take you a couple days more than likely to use all your keys
shrewd ore
you can do 4 per day
muted arch
got it
shrewd ore
and make sure you don't do the bountiful ones to level up to 8 on reset day xd
muted arch
so we should level up to t8 with some non bountiful delve on tuesday, then crank out the 4 bountifuls at t8?
muted arch
and make sure you don't do the bountiful ones to level up to 8 on reset day xd
yeah nice
shrewd ore
yes
jagged gust
and make sure you don't do the bountiful ones to level up to 8 on reset day xd
now there's a good call
sterile canopy
How good is the reinforced-wax plating? I know it's purely defensive but how much gain are we sacrificing for that extra defense
pallid quiver
that sounds like a tank trinket, so fucking nothing
Tank trinkets as a whole are all pretty doo-doo butter
mellow quartz
you can do 4 per day
Wasn’t it only 3 per day?
shrewd ore
no content this or next week will require you to use a tank trinket
pallid quiver
so without even needing to look
Even if you did need a tank trinket, the current ones would not help
sterile canopy
I assumed it was pretty dogwater
shrewd ore
Wasn’t it only 3 per day?
should be 4, 1 per zone
at least i have 4 up right now ingame
mellow quartz
You keep getting new ones when you complete them but I thought only the first 3 you did would show you a chest
Per day
For the keys
shrewd ore
Pretty sure the bountiful ones reset per day to a new one
pallid quiver
I assumed it was pretty dogwater
oh it's the flat dr one
oh yeah that one is beyond dogwater
shrewd ore
and just go away when you do one
otherwise wowhead wouldn't have a bountiful delve tracker as well
proper roost
one of the articles I read mentioned the bountiful delves close if you don't use a key, but I think that was probably a lie
it makes more sense that its just 4 open per day
proper roost
Yeah, presumably thats how it works
Kind of arbitrary but everything about delves is arbitrary tbf
the fact that theres like 4 useless delve levels is ???
waxen frigate
Everything about videogames is arbitrary they are an invention of man’s hubris, spitting in the face of god
proper roost
well more than 4 useless, i hope no ones getting hardstuck at like delve 6
warm plinth
Everything about videogames is arbitrary they are an invention of man’s hubris, ...
Quality shitpost
pallid quiver
the fact that theres like 4 useless delve levels is ???
It is there for the people of varying skill levels who play solo
Some people would like that customizable difficulty, and they really are there just to press buttons
proper roost
Ok yeah but 9-11 or whatever is gonna be pointless
just an extended grind to get to the max delve level that gives the achiev or whatever
and then just continue to do 8s because why bother
Quite skeptical of the claim that people really want challenging solo content cuz have you ever seen the stats on legion mage tower when it released
or CMs or hell even gold proving grounds when it released in mop
People dont do those for fun they do it for the achiev/cosmetic once then never again
(if even, 99% people dont at all)
mellow quartz
Ok yeah but 9-11 or whatever is gonna be pointless
Same as saying any key above a +10 is useless and people still push it cause they like the challenge
solemn kelp
Sheesh @strong forum get a grip!
green bronze
hi guys, any info about valorstones drop rate in m0? Should i stockpile valorstones now, if im planning to spam m+
warm plinth
item=211985 bonus=7981:11143:5878:10299] is bis, like it or not
proper roost
Same as saying any key above a +10 is useless and people still push it cause the...
na, cuz people who do +12s and above arent casuals
Its literally a fundamentally different group of people
also I mean... yeah, M+ participation after rewards end is low?
most people who are capable of doing higher than 10 will just only do 10s
green bronze
for tanks that like doing m+, you just go higher because lower keys start being boring
mellow quartz
Delves are just so solo players can have some challenging content
solemn kelp
<:Kapp:816637530451083266>
My bad. Clearly fake news.
errant wagon
Hey y'all. We know if it's safe-enough yet to craft spark shield? 🙂 Don't really have much time to play today/tomorrow and just want to have it prepapred for raid night lol
pallid quiver
continues to be there
not like you can even get a spark shield that much higher, anyway, without the crests
pallid quiver
but they gotta stimulate the economy, nome
errant wagon
appreciate it 🫡 I'll hold out still
pallid quiver
But yeah, it's not gonna be a major gain, won't particularly need it for H raid, so we've got a whole week to prep for M raid and M+
chilly surge
The economy is bad right now, so many speculations going on
ionic roost
Insert reloe tweet
remote tusk
My desire for them to increase Champion's Spear range to be the same range as Ravager is high.
signal coyote
Intesting question raised, what tank is best for just knocking out your ten +10 for the week
lusty grotto
im going to assume he means eight
cause thats whats needed for vault
but yeah it doesnt matter
mellow quartz
To answer your question though: it doesn't matter.
10's will be harder than people think
lusty grotto
that doesnt take away the fact that any tank can do it
warm plinth
10's will be harder than people think
It's still a 10 🤷
static aurora
Is colossus even worth playing in heroic/mythic dungs
or is mountain just way ahead with overall benefits? It sounds like a cool tree but idk if cool enough to even bother with
warm plinth
If you plan on doing serious pushing, you'll end up playing Thane eventually most likely. Heroic/m0 it doesn't matter
lusty grotto
static aurora
appreciate the responses comrades 🫡 , gonna go fuck around with it now
mellow quartz
It's still a 10 🤷
10’s with Fort and Tyr at the same time. When we tested them on the beta early we were scaled to 613 ilvl. At that ilvl they were quite hard. Later on we were scaled to 626.
Week 1 we will be what, 600 going in?
warm plinth
I don't think anyone said that they wouldn't be difficult
The question that was asked and answered is what tank is best for knocking out vault keys.
mellow quartz
I doubt most people will do 10’s week one unless they try hard and get loads of gear early in the week
rigid hull
hmm do i prio trinket for upgrading u think @lusty grotto
warm plinth
Maybe, maybe not, but it doesn't change the answer to the question that was asked.
rigid hull
got a few crests left
glacial flint
hmh was that always like that .. that prot by default gets forced into deff-stance by blizzard?
warm plinth
No, it's new. Either with pre-patch or expansion (I didn't play pre-patch so not 100%)
glacial flint
No, it's new. Either with pre-patch or expansion (I didn't play pre-patch so no...
yeah i was wondering. (sure i didnt play much prot in recent time) but that felt new since tww
warm plinth
It's annoying af 🙂
lusty grotto
hmm do i prio trinket for upgrading u think <@131897531251556352>
why
upgrading this week?
glacial flint
It's annoying af 🙂
yeah enabled my old weakaura again that tells me im in d stance xD (very big)
rigid hull
ye
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
rigid hull
doenst matter but ye
lusty grotto
shit will get sold or disenchanted anyway
waxen frigate
I doubt most people will do 10’s week one unless they try hard and get loads of ...
most CE raiders will/should
mellow quartz
CE raiders are not exactly ‘most people’
waxen frigate
no but most people shouldn't even be thinking about doing 10s week 1
if you aren't a CE raider or high M+ pusher there's zero reason or expectation to do those keys w1
waxen frigate
i think you're missing my point
if you're not pushing difficult content early on there's no need to do the max track vault
and so it shouldn't be a priority
unless it is fun for you
in which case who cares
have fun
mellow quartz
So people who don’t do difficult content don’t care about getting the best loot?
waxen frigate
if it's at the cost of them ahving fun? generally not in my experience
if we want to get really pedantic about it most people aren't doing 10s ever
static aurora
just curious, cause reading the WoWhead rotation doesn't make much sense(unless I'm misunderstanding) but would your dmg opener be something like: Charge in -> Avatar + Demo -> Spear -> Shield Charge -> Ravager -> Demolish?
waxen frigate
you dont want to ravager during spear unless something's changed
static aurora
is that because of wasted rage gen?
waxen frigate
no
it's because ravager can get its full damage out during spear if you precast
but the initial global isnt worth
mellow quartz
just curious, cause reading the WoWhead rotation doesn't make much sense(unless ...
What’s not clear?
static aurora
cause with champions might and 25% crit, numerically you think you would
honestly the part that threw me off entirely is the ravager pre cast into charge assuming I'm charging something like 25 yards out aren't I wasting ravager or am I reading that too literally
waxen frigate
cause with champions might and 25% crit, numerically you think you would
to be clear
you want ravager during it
mellow quartz
You throw it from range
waxen frigate
you just dont want to use it during it
mighty valley
ravager ticks evenly through its duration, it’s just the only one you can apply from range without wasting much damage
static aurora
You throw it from range
Not me forgetting I can do that when I have a cast on self maccro OOOOF
I've like exclusively used a cast on self maccro so I completeeeeeeeeely forgot you could range cast ravager
appreciate the help 🙌
civic holly
What’s not clear?
why avatar before being in melee range?
should the avatar not be activated at the same gcd timing as the champions spear?
mellow quartz
should the avatar not be activated at the same gcd timing as the champions spear...
it's 20s and you can use it charging in so its damage buffs all the next spells
you also need the range it generates to press SB
otherwise you wont have SB when you arrive in melee
the above is the opener for a ST fight
if you try that shit in aoe you will lose aggro before you can count to 2
civic holly
casting ravager gives 10 and charge gives 20 so that reasoning seems not quite correct
rage*^
and the first gcd you spend after hitting avatar is demo shout, is the ravager tick being buffed by avatar more important than the empty gcd i guess is the question at hand/getting in an extra attack with avatar
mellow quartz
by pressing avatar early it counts towards the ravager ticks
civic holly
yes i realise that
mellow quartz
I usually don't prethrow ravager as in keys you normally spend some time gathering packs
so there you need charge + avatar to have rage for SB
civic holly
or rage from previous pull
mellow quartz
in raid its easier
sure
but the opener on wowhead is not a 'what to do in all situations'
civic holly
so i guess the first SB cast takes 3s off avatar cd aswell
bleak breach
Colossus way funner then Mountain Thane, but Mountain Thane is a lot smoother to play atm. I think Colossus will take over once we get more stats though.
mellow quartz
Colossus way funner then Mountain Thane, but Mountain Thane is a lot smoother to...
I'll bet you it won't as we played on beta at 626 (plenty of stats) and it wasn't good
bleak breach
Sad
Felt fine in patches, but also got very slow at points where I was playing it/felt like I had no rage to spend.
mellow quartz
and that is really the main issue, the lack of rage gen is hard for your survivability
tribal wharf
i think only way we play colossus main is if set bonus is revenge based
rigid yew
Kind of a noob question
For some reason it seems like I have way more gcd abilities
When I do a pull, what is the priority when all my abilities are available and lighting up to be used
shrewd ore
Charge -> Avatar + thunderclap -> off gcd Shield block -> Demo Shout -> Thunder clap again so you don't lose aggro basically
then ravager+spear if you have then just normal rota
green frost
Can anyone help me figure out a really weird thing that keeps happening on my protection warrior?
So about 1-2 times a dungeon, my character will get stuck spinning as though I'm holding down the A key. It goes away after I reload UI.
It doesnt happen ever in fury spec, nor does it happen when I play my DH, Monk, Hunter, Rogue, Druid or Evoker.
I'm not using any macros apart from a cast ravager @cursor and a macro to cast avatar & demo shout.
I'm also not using any fancy keybind addons, just the base UI to keybind.
Have been wrecking my head for an hour trying to figure this out, it seems to be more common when I cast ravager.
rigid yew
So rav,spear after a rotation?
I've been starting with those
shrewd ore
Problem is just mobs might not instantly be positioned good enough for spear is what I see at the start of pulls
and waiting the idk 4 secs from start of pull until ravager + spear gives you way more targets to hit
but yea if they are grouped enough then save the 2nd thunderclap for after spear
gives u more dmg
rigid yew
What about when both tc and sl are lighting up (not to mention sometimes revenge lights up too)
civic holly
what sl
shrewd ore
whats sl?
versed widget
spear does reduced dmg past 5 targets
civic holly
shield slam?
shrewd ore
just normal AoE rota, so shield slam over thunderclap exept if you have 2 stacks of thunderblast
shrewd ore
spear does reduced dmg past 5 targets
you still get the crit multi buff only if you hit the targets
and it still deals more dmg with more targets, even if reduced
civic holly
Can anyone help me figure out a really weird thing that keeps happening on my pr...
no idea mate
rigid yew
oops im tired it would be ss not sl lol
I'm so used to spamming ss
So now its low priority in aoe?
Tc, rev proc, then ss?
shrewd ore
no, its TC with 2 TB stacks > SS > TC > Revenge basically
rigid yew
What if revenge is lit up and ss isn't
shrewd ore
lighting up or not doesn't matter
rigid yew
My monkey brain sees "shiny want to press"
shrewd ore
revenge is always lowest prio basically, just for resetting shield slam if thunder clap & shield slam are on cd already
lusty grotto
Can anyone help me figure out a really weird thing that keeps happening on my pr...
this is usually a mouse/keyboard software problem
jagged gust
Is your model spinning or is it also physically forcing your character to run in a circle?
lusty grotto
he kinda mentioned like he was keyboard turning
south zealot
What if revenge is lit up and ss isn't
revenge being lit up is the most fake proc ever
lusty grotto
true and real
jagged gust
I had this issue, I don't know what was generating it but whenever it happened my mouse was somehow stuck as if it was clicking my character model in the C screen
south zealot
infact it being lit up is pretty close to just being worse bc its a free proc
lusty grotto
welcome back choco
molten gorge
If you're using like a Naga or similar MMO mouse, and have something like "down" from the numpad bound then just unbind the arrow keys from movement
south zealot
and a free revenge is actually worse than a rage spent revenge
rigid yew
Make sure there isn't any UI getting in the way where the mouse is usually at.
I had to move my repair icon because when i got yellow red gear it would pop up where my cursor usually is and it blocks clicking and messes up moving
south zealot
welcome back choco
i tank s1 m+ group :)
lusty grotto
nice
south zealot
bless splits
lusty grotto
🫡
i didnt sign up to any group LMAO
but thats also a bad thing
cause its basically "if im online i can tank"
mellow quartz
and a free revenge is actually worse than a rage spent revenge
I don’t even have revenge tracked as an icon on my WA lol
lusty grotto
south zealot
jk lol
south zealot
I don’t even have revenge tracked as an icon on my WA lol
if you track resources, no need to track any off-cd spenders
rigid yew
and a free revenge is actually worse than a rage spent revenge
How so
I never got into the nitty gritty of spell priority
lusty grotto
because a free revenge means nothing
it doesnt mean "press it"
it means ignore it unless it satisfies "SS and TC/TB not up"
mellow quartz
You don’t press revenge cause it’s free you press it cause you have nothing else to press lol
lusty grotto
just to be clear, we're all talking about Thane here, i hope
south zealot
with the amount of rage you get, a free revenge instead of a 20 rage revenge just means you have to use 20 more rage on ignore pain
waxen frigate
get good, i did 1.2mil as ppal
warm bloom
it means ignore it unless it satisfies "SS and TC/TB not up"
feel like that happens often enough to not consider revenge completly irrelevant
south zealot
which is fine but its possible you overcap that 20 more rage you have
lusty grotto
feel like that happens often enough to not consider revenge completly irrelevant
nobody said it was irrelevant
mellow quartz
feel like that happens often enough to not consider revenge completly irrelevant
It’s relevant to fish for SS procs
Can’t play without it
south zealot
feel like that happens often enough to not consider revenge completly irrelevant
you still press the button you just dont ever consider hitting it specifically because its free
lusty grotto
we arent saying ban revenge use
mellow quartz
It’s just your last priority
warm bloom
are you all not taking any of the revenge boosting talents at all
unless they path to another one?
rigid yew
Ok so idk if anyone has did the math
Is there an amount of mobs where rev deals more damage than ss?
lusty grotto
not as Thane no
south zealot
are you all not taking any of the revenge boosting talents at all
you do but even taking all of them its just still not good as thane
lusty grotto
thats a no for both comments
south zealot
Ok so idk if anyone has did the math
Is there an amount of mobs where rev deals ...
it would have to do an INSANE amount of damage to ever beat out ss in the prio
lusty grotto
using revenge can be a slight up in damage at the cost of other things that should be considered over it
in order to keep the prio as smooth as possible
mellow quartz
Revenge is maybe 4% of your overall damage as MT in a key
jagged gust
SS isn't just about the damage or rage either, it interacts with damn near every single passive we talent in to
south zealot
generating rage gives you 1. more avatar and shield wall through anger management. 2. more thunderblasts from avatar (more demo shouts (more rage)) 3. more outbursts (more rage). 4. more rage and shield wall from impenetrable wall talent
shield slam just does too many things to not be super high prio
mellow quartz
This is at the level of just saying go read the wowhead guide
To understand the basics
daring grove
Plus the animation is a backhand slap to the face
rigid yew
Naw
Monkey brain sees shiny
Plus monkey brain sees revenge hits more than one target in aoe situations
I love thane
lusty grotto
and just to be clear im saying this to the channel in a general sense
monkey brain should have been trained at this point if they played DF
cause it hasnt changed since
jagged gust
Let's petition blizz to buff the free revenge proc
It can be like sudden death for prot
south zealot
it would have to be buffed SIGNIFICANTLY
jagged gust
Not current SD, maybe like S3 arms SD
lusty grotto
sure, have them make revenge an off-gcd and then we'll talk
with the free revenge proc
pallid quiver
make it so when you use a free revenge, it buffs your next execute to kill the next enemy it hits
jagged gust
with the free revenge proc
What's that DH ability that has a weird gcd that's only like .5 sec?
south zealot
sweeping strikes
jagged gust
Make it like that
south zealot
even as a half gcd it would still suck
lusty grotto
yup
jagged gust
but we'll also tack on a free execute on main target
Actually slam would be hilarious
rigid yew
What if lit up meant no gcd 🤔
south zealot
that would be good
lusty grotto
What if lit up meant no gcd 🤔
south zealot
but also unlikely that specific change would happen
molten gorge
Revenge gonna cry when he reads everyone shit talking him poor little guy
south zealot
off gcd damage abilities are very rare
south zealot
Revenge gonna cry when he reads everyone shit talking him <:sadge:82020236335985...
revenge is good as colossus if that counts
jagged gust
colossus needed a 5% height increase to feel better about itself
wooden widget
Free revenge is omega cringe. I wish it procced to cost double
Then maybe I’d press it
turbid shuttle
What's that DH ability that has a weird gcd that's only like .5 sec?
feblade
tribal wharf
im not crafting until the pin is lifted
lusty grotto
congrats
tribal wharf
im super lazy about these things
near pewter
Is spear better than dragon's roar now? I'm seeing it in the M+ builds
tribal wharf
i have to force my self to continue leveling or i quit 5 minutes in
lusty grotto
and not now, its been spear as thane for a while
near pewter
Why is it better for thane?
near pewter
ahhh okay
lusty grotto
more utility against jumpers in M+ as well
turbid shuttle
the sim diff is super unconvincing to me. the usability of roar over spear seems like it'd do better damage in practice. the real advantage seems to be the points you free up for the stam talent in high keys.
tribal wharf
i wonder if we ever get a secondary warband camp screen, or it displays more characters
warm plinth
They're going to have additional "scenes" eventually
So you can swap between which 4 show up
lusty grotto
the sim diff is super unconvincing to me. the usability of roar over spear seems...
what stam talent
i hope you dont mean endurance training
tribal wharf
i do think thats a good change the warband stuff
molten gorge
Long overdue but ya it is
tribal wharf
might power lvl dk later
lusty grotto
monk is my last one for a while
im not sure if i want to level more, but i need an alchemist, so brew is gonna be it
it'll be fast since 25% more exp
molten gorge
Levelling as tank in dungeons goes kinda hard, decent healer in the group and you're doing 1.5mil+/hr
Super quick
lusty grotto
i dont need a decent healer
molten gorge
Depending on the dungeon you get too ig
lusty grotto
BDK, VDH, Bear, were all blasting
molten gorge
Well you do, because if the whole group dies to AoE it's slower
lusty grotto
but then again i was giga max ilvl from DF
lusty grotto
brew is the last tank anyway
tribal wharf
Levelling as tank in dungeons goes kinda hard, decent healer in the group and yo...
fun till you run into 240 ilvl healer in tww dungeos
we died alot
molten gorge
And they die every pull, immediately
lusty grotto
anyway about the dawnthread thing, you need to reset the buff in order for them to stack properly
so just lower hp to below the threshhold (80%) and thats it
lusty grotto
LMAO
frosty holly
BDK, VDH, Bear, were all blasting
Only tank i felt a bit lacking on so far was Brew monk. But only in a few dungeons it was more punishing pulling big vs the others. Haven't tried Prot pala yet tho
lusty grotto
lol
my paladin has no prot spec
i just zipped through normals with kanga tanking
for reference
frosty holly
Prot pala so nice with all the interrupts when running with pugs. Just haven't touched it yet in TWW due to how it was looking. Perhaps next patch I'll do it
lusty grotto
i mean babysitting on prot pally is fine
but the tanking playstyle is garbage
stand in consecration is fucking stupid
frosty holly
Mm
warm plinth
I like paladin
frosty holly
Make conc an aura and I'd be fine with it
lusty grotto
they should at the very least make it like D&D
warm plinth
Don't think so
frosty holly
Probably a fever dream then. Just have some odd memory of it proccing by itself or followed you when moving
south zealot
homie played ascension
warm plinth
Think the closest we've had to moving consecration is ret pally triggering it with attacks or something
pallid quiver
Didn't it follow you or something in some expansion?
I remember some silly junk like this, but I am not a big Pala person
yeah, was gonna say it was ret or something
lusty grotto
Think the closest we've had to moving consecration is ret pally triggering it wi...
blade of justice does it
as ret
but it doesnt follow you
warm plinth
Right it just puts it on the mob
lusty grotto
it just places it on whoever you BoJ'd
frosty holly
Perhaps that then. Just felt like a really old memory and i thought the judgement putting it down for ret was new-ish
But ye. I'd def prefer both that and DnD to just become an aura. Keep the same duration. Just but it on the char instead
Real frustrating the few times i play DPS DK tanks just move out of DnD xD
lusty grotto
they would have to nerf it a little bit
and SL cap it
for both
but it would def be an improvement
im thinking that they dont have a uniform SL capping of floor effects just because of that reason
frosty holly
Probably
proud dock
any weakauras that indicate good people to intervene?
deep steppe
Is the binding ring worth getting or not really relevant?
frosty holly
Wouldn't one always have to play with the person you bound with for it to get full value
deep steppe
isnt that a spark craft?
I didn't mean that I was going to craft it this week, I just meant as like, is it an option we would consider after a few weeks, or is it just not relevant at all
deep steppe
yeah tuning pending, ty 🙂
past forge
what are the best embellishments and crafted gear we should make?
deep steppe
what are the best embellishments and crafted gear we should make?
Theres a good writeup on WowHead
icy flax
for reference
i think the bear hero talents give it the chance to stop being the most boring thing in the world but i'm not too informed on them, they sound cool on paper though
lusty grotto
i need to play dotc
might actually make it not boring
but elune is just same old fucking moon bear
ive heard good things about dotc
icy flax
skimming the arcane side had a lot of cdr in it which is my fav thing in wow so im biased in that regard but yea the other side sounds like a crazy leap from the concept of bear gameplay
lusty grotto
a lot of these arent novel
when it comes to gameplay
i just dont want the same old boring shit, having at least a tiny bit of a skill ceiling increase can go a long way
icy flax
what do you mean by novel sorry
robust urchin
what do you mean by novel sorry
Like a short book around like 100 pages or so, also called a novella
cerulean tusk
Rat with a hat at it again
icy flax
appreciate it
steel matrix
Prot Warrior enjoyer here. Currently looking for a shield pre-season; what should I chase after? I refuse to waste a spark on crafted stuff that will be replaced in 3 days
cerulean tusk
Any shield works,as long it got block on it 
lusty grotto
🙂
steel matrix
Any shield works,as long it got block on it <:okayge:917646812519739433>
Thank you fellow crayon eaters 😉 I wish only to be big wall
big wall = big safe party
lusty grotto
im nimchip so yes, yes i can
robust urchin
You're not the boss of me now
lusty grotto
Thank you fellow crayon eaters 😉 I wish only to be big wall
which is your favorite
robust urchin
And you're not so big
lusty grotto
i like blue
steel matrix
which is your favorite
Orange Crayons because they taste sunset
cerulean tusk
Life is a mess
lusty grotto
good pick
untold hornet
is there a weak aura for world markers that gives you one button to cycle through them all?
sorry, macro
lusty grotto
opie