hes thane and spamming revenge
#protection
tribal wharf
wise egret
shouldnt thunder clap be higher here?
honest marlin
Is there a pre-raid best-in-slot list anywhere? Sorry if it’s obvious. Maybe I’m blind.
lusty grotto
no, hes colossus
pallid quiver
shouldnt thunder clap be higher here?
Thunder Clap should be pretty low in Thane breakdowns because you instead use Thunder Blast most of the time
That's a Thane breakdown, Nim
pallid quiver
There's blast on there
lusty grotto
oh im blind
pallid quiver
And lightning strikes
lusty grotto
yeah yogi inting
pallid quiver
Nah, he's commenting on someone else
pallid quiver
You're not you when you're hungry smh
lusty grotto
anyway thats a breakdown on what not to do
pallid quiver
Grab a snickers
wise egret
Thunder Clap should be pretty low in Thane breakdowns because you instead use Th...
oh yea makes sense, but blast is lower than revenge, shouldnt be blast higher?
lusty grotto
revenge should WAYYYYYYYY at the bottom
pallid quiver
oh yea makes sense, but blast is lower than revenge, shouldnt be blast higher?
If that's AOE, blast should be on top
By like a fucking lot
Like, a lot
wise egret
ok
pallid quiver
And there's no fucking way lightning strikes should be above blast
Considering one of the main sources of strikes
Is thunder blast
pallid quiver
So they've even deviated from the hero tree build unless they are just sitting on sending blast for seven years, which it looks like their prio is Revenge - SS - TC
wise egret
is whirlwind even on our bar?
pallid quiver
If you're doing Torghast and get the whirlwind power 🙂
lusty grotto
it shouldnt be no
violet ginkgo
revenge should WAYYYYYYYY at the bottom
Speaking of which Nim you often mention about our SS should be minimum 15 cpm right? If picking Mountain thane with the extra 2 SS no CD, will be minimum bar raised?
or maybe still 15 because we also have to thunderblast
lusty grotto
Speaking of which Nim you often mention about our SS should be minimum 15 cpm ri...
it'll be more yes
but not by a whole lot
15+ is still a good ballpark
edgy bone
Speaking of which Nim you often mention about our SS should be minimum 15 cpm ri...
does details show cpm?
pallid quiver
It'll tell you how many casts, and you can see the encounter time listed, so you can do math from there. It'll likely be higher than logs for M+ if you're not chain pulling since Details is inly active time, though
honest marlin
What’s your folks’ item level sitting at?
honest marlin
Hehe. I just hit 80 on my Warrior so I’m working on it. Pretty much have nothing but upgrades to do.
cerulean tusk
Just get your delve keys ready, and you can chill at 580
tribal wharf
coping and malding that some other class or spec will be as good as prot thane
hasnt happened yet
jagged gust
I just wish the lightning visual effect wasn't so lacklustre
proper roost
i'm done now til tuesday
but
i have to set up weakauras for like two hours
and that sounds very unpleasant and i don't want to do it
safe leaf
Is there a guide for which abilities can be macroed together?
warm bloom
people that have spent time gearing in preseason what is your haste at
austere oar
Is there a guide for which abilities can be macroed together?
Can't macro two abilities that are on the global cool down together
Unless you are trying to make a cast sequence macro
lusty grotto
Is there a guide for which abilities can be macroed together?
we dont recommend macroing abilities together in general
chilly brook
Is there a guide for which abilities can be macroed together?
None outside of what’s in the pins
You should not macro things together outside of trinkets that line up with your CDs or the one in the pins
obsidian berry
is there a macro that would allow you to cast Ravager and champion's spear together?
lusty grotto
no
obsidian berry
damn alright
keen glade
at best u can do a cast sequence macro for it, but it is better to have 2 seperate binds
toxic pewter
you guys hear about our rework? we getting a new champion's spear icon..LOL
proud dock
yuuuuge
wheat rivet
is the spear better than the roar for m+?
wheat rivet
it does better dam or what's the advantage?
lusty grotto
sims better yes
also very useful for jumpers
especially NW jumpies which are prone to back hit you and delete you
wheat rivet
Does it interrupt the mobs or just chain them to the spear?
lusty grotto
its a 1 pull ursol's
they move out, they get pulled back
once
but thats just a nice to have feature
strong forum
Not just once
lusty grotto
25% increased critical damage is huge for Thane
strong forum
Until spear runs out
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
uh huh
tribal wharf
brief time i played bear i ran vortex and this
lusty grotto
yes, youre supposed to
zealous goblet
hey lads, real quick question
tribal wharf
i like swipe bear better than kitty bear druid, but i also dont mind moon druid
zealous goblet
do the enhanced thunderclaps get stored? or is it wasted if you get another proc while you have one ready?
tribal wharf
if i played bear, i would get in bear spec and not get out of it
like bear form, im not versed on druids
zealous goblet
yeah i knew avatar granted 2 but i wasn't sure how high to prio it essentially over shield slam
zealous goblet
yep, get that now, thanks a bunch nome
wheat rivet
And in AOE blast has higher prio than SS or revenge right?
lusty grotto
revenge isnt in the picture as thane
you only revenge if TC/TB and/or SS are on cd
so very low prio
tribal wharf
it is, but its like dead last on list of things to cast
lusty grotto
as thane
zealous goblet
yeah i have troubles getting any revenges off this expansion i'm noticing because of these fuckin' resets and stuff
*i knew it was a filler
wait did i have a stroke
wheat rivet
I only played heroics so there was no dmg and I didn't know what to do with rage so I spammed some revenges
lusty grotto
you use ip
tribal wharf
as for colossus, i don't live in colossal land
toxic pewter
anyone know a weak aura that tracks the free shield slams thane gives u
tribal wharf
i have no idea what goes on in that place
lusty grotto
using IP is faster rage consumption since its off-gcd, you will not gain damage by using revenge, you will lose damage
because Avatar resets will be slower
use IP when you need to burn rage
as Thane (and in DF)
wheat rivet
Even if my IP is capped?
lusty grotto
yes
tribal wharf
more so
toxic pewter
kinda wish the free shield slams lit up the shield slam UI element thing
tribal wharf
thane is just so much rage that you switch your brain to dump it
wheat rivet
Ok I am gonna spam IP like ironfur next time 😉
wheat rivet
In incarn you do
tribal wharf
you primary objective is keep up shield block then dump for ignore pain at high lvls when going to cap rage
zealous goblet
Even if my IP is capped?
send an ip at like 60ish~ rage you wanna make sure you have enough for a shield block or a revenge, the act of spending rage heals you a tad. like 3% or some shit?
oh wait listen to nim do it at 70
mellow quartz
kinda wish the free shield slams lit up the shield slam UI element thing
Just track the stacks over your regular SS icon. That’s what I did.
lusty grotto
60 is fine too Scatter
tribal wharf
as long as your in melee combat range, should have shield block up, both hero specs
lusty grotto
but 70 is the best point
wheat rivet
Thanks guys, prot is very fun, I plan to learn it this season
tribal wharf
there are lots of hero specs that are fun im finding
tribal wharf
the outdoor zones dornogal and hallowfall are peak art
spider place is really cool, bit too dark to see things
cerulean tusk
You mean crabland?
proper roost
he means crabland
strong forum
Cra bland?
toxic pewter
honestly azj'kahet is a really cool zone
I cant decide which zone is my favorite lol
cerulean tusk
I personally really like the transition parts of the zones. Of all of them, I might like Hallowfall more - simply cause it got mroe human civilisation. And I love that in my fantasy
toxic pewter
I think isle of dorn is my least favorite just vibes wise its amazing and all but I guess I enjoy being underground
I cannot deny I find myself in Hallowfall the most
so much world pvp in that zone going down
the farm area especially owns hard
one of the best areas of the xpac imo
lusty grotto
baledar's bounty
toxic pewter
I got all three
lusty grotto
ripnimchip is lucky
proper roost
ok no yo udidn't yogi
lusty grotto
(:
proper roost
shut up
daring grove
First awakening machine I got mount
I've done it 12 times, no luck
lusty grotto
i dont know how rare is it but i figure its supposed to be rare because litemount keeps summoning it
latent tusk
Is awakening once a week?
toxic pewter
You can do it as many times as you want but the major cache/rewards are weekly as far as I know
latent tusk
Dang that guy did it 12 times I’m assuming 6 characters
proper roost
yes
tribal wharf
playing on prot paladin and it give me those trinkets so far
so im angry yelling drunk man,
west silo
Why is Barbarian Training not recommended?
I got +5% gain in sim with it on 5 targets
tribal wharf
tldr it would interfere with rage you need for shield block and IP for survival
probably
west silo
and?
tribal wharf
its bad for thane
tribal wharf
thane is u cast revenge 5 times per dungeon (half meme half truth)
lusty grotto
sim again
with 1 min
or 1.5 min
not 5 mins
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/higKFpYJ29Y8FPrsDiyZRN heres a comparison for your 5 mins
im also 581 whereas youre higher ilvl
west silo
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tUaD8jtSk91KRLymtRPwEK/simc - 1 min, 1,002,891 dps
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ughLPbpDmW5pBRDiJjMxhC/simc - 1.5 min, 968,052 dps
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8k9gyEExktpnrsDyzjPLJ/simc - barbarian, 1 min, 1,032,624 dps
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3qALeW429L2T46FhG4WWiR/simc - barbarian, 1.5 min, 999,532 dps
west silo
im also 581 whereas youre higher ilvl
you simmed with all buffs
I only with battle shout
lusty grotto
alright
fluid widget
thane is u cast revenge 5 times per dungeon (half meme half truth)
Shouldn’t we be casting revenge once per pull to apply deep wounds?
west silo
I also tried some APL tweaks for aoe that increased dps on another 2-3% (in thane at least)
But I think you guys know better than me and in dungeons everything is played differently and sims don't make sense
lusty grotto
the reason you see revenge so high up on these sims
its because is the same 5 targets
this is fine
cause you have a 595 weapon
593*
so its obviously gonna be more dps
than my sims
west silo
what's the point of comparing our sims considering different gear? I don't understand what this is for
lusty grotto
also seismic reverb revenge goes hard
fluid widget
what's the point of comparing our sims considering different gear? I don't under...
I also joined in unsure what’s going on, sins with different gear are gonna be uh different lol
lusty grotto
im posting the base build
im using your talents now
wait
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3q1CADMwdHGVu2wPD6bmXx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/euZ2B5WAeHjkkK6UzxYXu7
it does sim higher
but
youre using ITF
for some reason
@strong forum is the APL good for Barbaric Training? its simming higher as Thane
west silo
i will say more, AOE apl can be improved and damage will increase even without barbarian 
dense cradle
lusty grotto
breakdown is kinda wild
how is TB not giga top on yours
my TB did 14 mil on the 1 min one
and yours did 9 mil?
and TC is for some reason doing a shitload more damage than it should be doing
warm plinth
which one is his
west silo
all sims 1 min
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qQyZZykMECefYmZk2Qzm4t/simc - default APL, no barbarian, 974,279 dps
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9skgCYHsSwP6M7JNmcpfrn/simc - modified APL, no barbarian, 1,003,405 dps
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/byNNgB1193oeYspCvoZCYB/simc - default APL, barbarian, 1,016,414 dps
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nXdiTadQSyuqMf2MzPErT3/simc - modified APL, barbarian, 1,032,018 dps
west silo
and TC is for some reason doing a shitload more damage than it should be doing
I had modified APL in sims
lusty grotto
what is the extent of your modification
lusty grotto
i dont think youre getting this right
west silo
i don't think mine is the best solution, but it shows more damage in aoe than the old version
lusty grotto
youre making changes to squeeze dps into it
thats not what sims are for
the whole point is to model our existing prio
shield slam if rage <=60???
what even is that
why would you do that
west silo
shield_slam if rage <= 60 exists even in old APL
thats not my numbers
i just increased priority for thunder_blast because it makes more damage in aoe
lusty grotto
youre trying to reinvent the wheel
west silo
I won't explain to you how the APL works, but it doesn't squeeze in dps, it just makes the priority of how you would press your buttons to give out maximum damage
lusty grotto
but yes youre right shield slam rage condition existed
i know how it works
youre just not modeling our prio
youre switching shit up and down to see what yields higher dps
west silo
it just means that the priorities are not perfect, nothing else
lusty grotto
when a lot of these are done because there's other stuff (like defensive uses) that are not measured in sims
ok so once again i ask
why are you doing this over Nome's APL?
whats wrong with Nome's APl to begin with
west silo
because with these changes you can get damage increase if you follow the new priority and it's AoE segment that doesn't affect survival in any way, because IP, etc. work in the generic segment, which is performed before AoE
lusty grotto
@strong forum whenever youre up
reply to this guy
maybe there's something im not seeing, Nome might
also theres no outburst condition on theirs
which is 😬
proud dock
is it worth tracking stuff like Violent Outburst? or is that super minmaxy?
mellow quartz
Do you wanna do the most damage possible? track it
west silo
I looked at the priority on wowhead, the aoe APL just doesn't match it...
mellow quartz
Are you doing actual high level content? If not you can just ignore it
proud dock
is there any other things like VO that should be tracked -- other than whole spells
cerulean tusk
Not really, ya kinda just send it either way. VO is the only thing that kinda got an element of minmax to it to consider
proud dock
thanks ill add it to my WAs
mellow quartz
Just try and send pure damage abilities after using damage amplifying spells
If both are available at the same time
Don’t wait otherwise
west silo
the OLD apl doesn't match prio
lusty grotto
Nome might be better at explaining things since hes the one that writes both
warm plinth
lusty tiger
🦅
lusty grotto
the OLD apl doesn't match prio
if by "OLD" you mean Nome's, he said a few days ago he was in the middle of fixing the rotations on wowhead
whereas he finished it or not, i have no idea, b ut there's no mention of TB on it so im guessing he hasnt
actually there is 1 mention of TB
but theres no mention of TB stacks and outburst prio
warm plinth
I assume the SS if rage<=60 is because you're supposed to spend rage w/ IP if you're between 60-80 rage
mellow quartz
I wouldn't be surprised if you sim higher with barbaric training tbh
with the amount of resets you get on SS and TC/TB you only rarely hit revenge and when you do you have more than enough rage if you dont care about using IP
you just don't want to play like that in most cases as your defensiveness will take a big hit
cerulean tusk
play Demo, Revenge spam, be happy
proud dock
so basically, when u have VO u use TB/TC when in 2+ targets, and SS in ST, right?
mellow quartz
TB not TC
proud dock
oh not even use VO on TC?
mellow quartz
TC only at like 6 or 8 targets
proud dock
gotcha
mellow quartz
Sry 4 as MT and 8 as Colossus
That is if you care about overall and wanna look good on details
Most cases even in aoe you have a prio target
So speeding up a dungeon you send it on SS and don’t pad
But that is all wishful thinking as people like big numbers
tribal wharf
im not doing my prot paladin as templar
cuz someone probably nim, i dunno, said you cant do
proud dock
so VO prio is TB > SS > TC
mellow quartz
so VO prio is TB > SS > TC
VO is 1 target = SS, 2+ = TB, 4+= TC as MT
proud dock
VO is 1 target = SS, 2+ = TB, 4+= TC as MT
gotcha
mellow quartz
If you have a big lieutenant guy and 4 small adds don’t be that guy that sends VO on TC because the prio list told you so
That will do nothing for what you are actually trying to do and just make details overall look better
You will actively slow down your dungeon doing that
proud dock
🙏🏾
loud sand
Guys what do u think as prot main i could be do a mythic clear with it or forget it?
scarlet stone
It's impossible
cerulean tusk
With what, and what mythic?
scarlet stone
It is impossible for a prot warrior to do any mythics right now.
scarlet stone
current mythics*
pallid quiver
According the the dungeon journal, current mythics are RLP, Academy, AV, Not Good Offensive, Ulda, Neltharus,
and you can hit all of those
loud sand
Guys you are trolling or what xd
loud sand
I wonder prot warrior is capable doing mythic raid or not. Not talked about m+ dungeons
scarlet stone
dumb question get dumb answer?
hardy snow
I wonder prot warrior is capable doing mythic raid or not. Not talked about m+ d...
every tank is capable doing mythic raid
loud sand
Nah it wasnt dumb you just toxic af
loud sand
every tank is capable doing mythic raid
Really?
loud sand
I dont know thinking about like the dragonflight s3 blood dk one tank tactics 😄
Drived me crazy XD
Fyrakk especially
hardy snow
Drived me crazy XD
why? lol
it was just few bosses with specific, additional possible tactic (not mandatory)
loud sand
I mean ok blood was enough but its kinda lame
hardy snow
and all other tanks can do mythic in standard, 2 tanks combination
scarlet stone
Nah it wasnt dumb you just toxic af
Your question is incredibly dumb.
loud sand
and all other tanks can do mythic in standard, 2 tanks combination
Ahh i see thanks bro!<3
warm plinth
It's a very typical question. Don't be a jerk.
honest marlin
I haven’t tanked in a while but it seems like folks are pulling extra packs much more frequently so far this expansion.
hardy snow
I haven’t tanked in a while but it seems like folks are pulling extra packs much...
So far this expansion we are doing heroic dungs only
warm plinth
Eh, it's heroic dungeons. Your'e gonna pull the dungeon in as few pulls as possible
scarlet stone
It's a very typical question. Don't be a jerk.
A dumb question that gets asked a lot, is still a dumb question.
hardy snow
A dumb question that gets asked a lot, is still a dumb question.
there is nothing dumb about it
scarlet stone
there is nothing dumb about it
There's nothing dumb about "can prot warrior tank?"
loud sand
That wasnt my question buddy. I asked its prot warrior capable clear mythic raid.Especially with this elitism stuff its not a dumb question. Get a life fr
hardy snow
There's nothing dumb about "can prot warrior tank?"
it wasn't "can prot warrior tank?", more like "Can prot warrior tank hardest raid content?", giving that you've seen BDK all over it and not much of prot warriors, its not dumb question. It's kind of silly cause answer is obvious, as anything other would mean idiotic game design if some tank couldn't tank the content they did.
scarlet stone
The answer is and always has been in every single stage of every single expansion of world of warcraft that ANY TANK is CAPABLE of clearing mythic raid.
west silo
The answer is and always has been in every single stage of every single expansio...
thats not true
scarlet stone
Are they the most optimal for any given encounter? Different question.
lusty grotto
That wasnt my question buddy. I asked its prot warrior capable clear mythic raid...
yes its capable
it was capable in DF, and other expansions, hasnt changed
aside from uhhh
astromancer shenanigans
star augur, i mean
loud sand
Ye i remember that fella
lusty grotto
DF made us hugely stronger against magic damage so we are way better in this exp
but yeah Sense has cleared every myth raid so prot has been capable since forever
proper roost
nim help me get the motivation to make a bunch of necessary WAs
i'm so lazy
I know how to make all of them i just kinda cba
pallid quiver
do it and you get a klondike bar
warm plinth
I used to live in El Paso and there was a commercial for this like, local amusement park
except it was like "what would you do to go to Western Playland"
and there was this little girl on there who'd be like "I'd eat my broccoli" and make a scrunched up face
lusty grotto
nim help me get the motivation to make a bunch of necessary WAs
bro i have to do this shit
ill do it on monday
lmao
are you getting told to install all northern sky shit?
cant wait for everything to just pop up like a vanilla addon overload screenshot
with my naowhui
proper roost
huh
lusty grotto
you need to install X WA pack
proper roost
i don't have a guild or anything i don't miss that bs
i just have to for m+ or something
lusty grotto
proper roost
I guess I really don't have to for next week
ok i can put it off til monday of next week. Ty Nimchip this was very helpful
extra procrastination
lusty grotto
i wont
proper roost
🤔
lusty grotto
im just doing it to test the waters and for professions
lusty grotto
ill decide after the next 2 weeks which alts are gonna be active and which are just gonna be profession table afkers
nah we're not doing splits fuck that
proper roost
you're too old to do that
lusty grotto
unless the guild is RWF capable, i dont even know why people would do splits lmao
lusty grotto
nice
proper roost
i got pretty much every single slot crafted which was a dumb waste of 100k but whatever
should i grind my brann to level 15 before next week
that'd be the most degen thing left to do that i can think of i think
pallid quiver
i don't have a guild or anything i don't miss that bs <:bedge:882323848844963860...
No schedule wow player brothers
proper roost
idk how that's your experience, I just run mine as dps and he's fine
dawn geode
idk he just dies
lusty grotto
i did tier 3 with lvl 6 brann
dawn geode
always unconcious
pallid quiver
I don't understand how, or why. But sometimes, he's just dead.
proper roost
all the time even
dawn geode
yup never alive just dead
proper roost
really makes you think
lusty grotto
and hes never died
proper roost
I'm guessing this is a tank thing because as caster dps you can't really giga pull entire rooms 😔
pallid quiver
It happens most often on bosses for me. It's not a common occurence, but he is just dead
lusty grotto
weirdge
pallid quiver
It's not like it affects me all that much, but it is kinda sad hearing the man in pain
while i'm ignoring all of that
don't worry, buddy, i'll ignore your pain, too
waxen frigate
It's not like it affects me all that much, but it is kinda sad hearing the man i...
wdym its hot
warm plinth
wat
lusty grotto
wat
waxen frigate
wat
proper roost
pure goblet
skibidi
lusty grotto
finally found one
warm plinth
Huge
lusty grotto
its just wild how many prots are using whirlwind lmao
i guess there's a lot of returning players but
when have we ever used whirlwind to begin with
sir im 75
chilly brook
i guess there's a lot of returning players but
More like a lot of people that said “oh prot is good again”
When it was never bad
lusty grotto
like not even classic players use whirlwind
chilly brook
Idk I’m just memeing
chilly brook
I couldn’t be bothered to play vanilla to cap
Only classic version I played at cap was wrath and also a little cata
lusty grotto
i thought it was just a classic classic thing
opal forum
every one knows basic rotation is slam and devastate on CD and whirlwind as rage spender
chilly brook
Your face couldn't be bothered to play vanilla to cap
lusty grotto
i wouldnt know
chilly brook
warm plinth
Nim never played classic
lusty grotto
i only did speed runs in the 1st classic cause all the content was just a redo for me
warm plinth
right
lusty grotto
yes ill take all of them, ty
opal forum
my restaurant manager's mind is just looking at those bowls
lusty grotto
oh yeah the bowls look weird i guess
opal forum
i like them
lusty grotto
i could kill for some drunken noodles right now
opal forum
now i know what im cooking tonight
lusty grotto
proud dock
anyone can recomend a good omnicd profile that tracks just simple major defensive and offensive?
basically a profile good enuf for tanks?
lusty grotto
but the ones i use are sub only
im not completely sure if they track what you want to track though so just check
proud dock
the sub one im guesisng is naowhs?
lusty grotto
yeah naowh or atrocity
glad goblet
Just check protection bc thinking about off-spec.
What wrong with blizzard, why we now playing with 3 different charges...
lusty grotto
what do you mean
glad goblet
charge, intervene, shield charge
lusty grotto
shield charge shouldnt be used a gap closer
its a burst tool
also how is this different from other expansions?
glad goblet
idk, returned after SL
lusty grotto
its not...
ok so in SL you played intervene anyway
because reprisal
i dont see the problem
neat crow
Tbh having more tools for movement or utility is fun anyways. Obviously shield charge doesn't really count like that
round pendant
what the frick why is assa rogue so awkward to play
lusty grotto
yeah but its not in tww
warm plinth
Outlaw isn't awkward, wdym
tawdry seal
Guys do you think crafting shield first is a good option?
proper roost
no
lusty grotto
pins
tawdry seal
👀
proper roost
read pins 👍
bleak breach
Looking at blood mallet drogbar rocks is top damage, is this legit or a bug?
neat crow
You're fun anyways
neat crow
Looking at blood mallet drogbar rocks is top damage, is this legit or a bug?
Seems bugged cause I see a bunch of other trinks ahead of it
simple drum
Are we gonna be a couple of Dracthyr boys soon?
pure goblet
coloso > thane?
simple drum
Nah
forest fern
With the lower haste atm thane just feels nicer to play to be honest
pure goblet
I prefer colosus it does more damage
but yea feels better thane
tank is a dps with more defense
jagged pier
Its like a 10k dps dofference amd thats only when u play colossus perfectly
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> is the APL good for Barbaric Training? its simming higher ...
BT always simmed higher but in reality just plays just utter fucking cancer
lusty grotto
yeah i guess the question is what is that guy doing with the APL that seems so wrong
i dropped a few comments but
maybe you have better insight
zealous goblet
hey do you guys want to make up rumors to compensate for the lack of content while we wait for raid and mythic plus
i'll start
i hear nome erps in moonguard
cosmic canyon
Question about high +m keys last couple expansions/seasons.
Il>haste>x
Does it move into something else beyond a certain point? When uptime on say shield block is 100% and mobs starts slamming like a truck. Or you still fancy haste above all else?
What about "best of the rest"? Moves from x to y secondary stat prio?
strong forum
yeah i guess the question is what is that guy doing with the APL that seems so w...
Not a fan of it
It's just hardsending tc and tb without any regards
lusty grotto
i think he was going by your prio list, which you said you were kinda working on it
right
theres like 0 conditions
proper roost
why did they put armored to the teeth in such an annoying spot
proper roost
anyway, i played MT for a little bit and i get why casuals people are against spear now
Me when I have to remember to position my cursor!!!
strong forum
proper roost
so does arms AND fury both take spear now because of where armored to the teeth is
lusty grotto
Question about high +m keys last couple expansions/seasons.
Il>haste>x
Does it...
if you played past expansions you know what the value of X is
and past seasons
cosmic canyon
I didn't. I come from bfa
lusty grotto
its the same as BFA, sans S4
strong forum
Question about high +m keys last couple expansions/seasons.
Il>haste>x
Does it...
It does not move into something else
lusty grotto
no it wasnt, only in s4
strong forum
Haste is the only stat you ever gave a fuck about
cosmic canyon
Thx for insight
strong forum
Stats had never mattered, is the same as people buying expensive sports gear, 500 bucks sports glasses, back pack, everything for the 3 times a year they go camping
cosmic canyon
That's not right though.
proper roost
🍿
cosmic canyon
😉
proper roost
lusty grotto
what nome is saying is that all stats have about the same equal value
proper roost
literally every single day of this preseason
lusty grotto
so if they are about the same, they dont matter
proper roost
every single casual andy comin in being like "my secondary stat allocation!!"
lusty grotto
ultimately you cant go wrong with using whatever stats after haste
proper roost
every single discord!
strong forum
I just get tilted when I see people riding bicycle, in 2k euro turbo sports wear, and then ride a 200 euro bike
proper roost
so true, this guy is NOT a tour de france knower
proper roost
yo i randomly watched a bunch of mountain biking videos the other day when I couldn't sleep
strong forum
Ride at walking speed
proper roost
(i have never mountain biked before, idk how to even ride a regular bike)
strong forum
Death mountain
proper roost
and i've learned so much
lusty grotto
mountain biking is fucking dope
strong forum
It's so fuckin fun
proper roost
first of all, there's a hilarious rift between mountain bikers and like, regular bikers it seems
strong forum
Megavalanche
lusty grotto
i havent done it in a while, im pretty sure if i try my old ass would die
proper roost
cuz i read a long comment diatribe like
" mountain 'biking' more like just braking nonstop and not pedaling once down an entire slope"
and it was like lol wtf damn chill
was like 4 paragraphs
lusty grotto
uhhh
proper roost
ripping on mountain bikers
strong forum
Brother
lusty grotto
i mean there's a fair amount of speed involved in mountain biking
proper roost
the other thing I learned is this crazy diatribe about like, uh, 29" wheels or some shit
idk what the standard is
strong forum
Cuz the perma caution with breaking
strong forum
Anyway
@cosmic canyon People have always pretended too much that stats matter
Especially when it comes to vers
Haste is the most beneficial as it helps with the whole rage thing
cosmic canyon
You brought back some memories with the corruption. Fun times
strong forum
Beyond that, it's just play the fight and class correctly
Stats ain't fixing a wrong CD timing
proper roost
imo there's just this crazy disconnect where I legitimately think a lot of casual players think that you can do the same pull exactly the same every time
instead of "literally the same person can do the same pull in a dungeon 50x and all 50x will be different in very crazy ways"
numerically
if you don't understand that then i don't think you will ever understand why secondary stat allocation doesn't really matter tbh
cosmic canyon
Stats ain't fixing a wrong CD timing
Sure. Two separate yet intertwined things of a whole though. A + B = C.
cosmic canyon
I don't disagree
strong forum
cosmic canyon
Having had no "connection" to the game for several years. What I was asking is basically an "update" to my understanding of the game. But seems the balance is unchanged between the secondary stats and they all give equal bang for the buck as back then. No "tweaking" of what 1500 secondary stat gives for the various ones.
strong forum
Real
proper roost
blizzard likes it when ilvl>>>>
and when ilvl >>>> it categorically means everything else within each ilvl bracket is basically equivalent outside of trinkets/special affix weapons or whatever
cosmic canyon
My philosophy of the meme above "smashing buttons" and the "use a CD" correctly is to try and get double uses out of my buttons with macros, and to preferably use a CD more often than to little.
And then, as someone wrote up above about making the same pulls every time, you adjust the pull size according to weekly modifiers and however many cds you happen to have at a certain time.
cosmic canyon
and when ilvl >>>> it categorically means everything else within each ilvl brack...
Remember farming brd for the windfury mace in vanilla.
proper roost
No
I meant literally the same exact pull
same dungeon
Same affixes
SAme everything
lusty grotto
i remember
proper roost
All 50 pulls will be different
if you don't understand that or why or how, idk
we are working on fundamentally different levels
cosmic canyon
if you don't understand that or why or how, idk
Who doesn't understand this in this discussion though?
proper roost
if you think secondaries matter, when your healer pressing 1 button differently changes the entire pull, you don't understand
i don't think you do tbqh
cosmic canyon
If you say so. I'm not here to argue
But I recommend you read what I wrote about cds another time.
proper roost
if you have higher io than sense i will
or nome
otherwise it's "i've done +20 in bfa" 
proper roost
i mean it makes sense, it's just like the most /r/wow comment
"I use shield wall even when sometimes i don't need to"
🙀
(we run anger management)
all class discords should list your io next to your post
permanently
yeah it'd show my 400 from playing like 2 days of season 3 df 🫡
Nome you lied, Fury does use spear for ST bossfights
lusty grotto
with your mouth
placid bolt
wait this is protection forum
lusty grotto
yes... forum
lusty grotto
im happy for you
proper roost
nim
placid bolt
❤️
proper roost
how is io gonna work in tww
is it just one score per dungie again
i tried googling it and its just people asking about DF smh
proper roost
yeah but is it just one score per dungeon
lusty grotto
err 14s
proper roost
or like idk
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
i think its only different for lower keys
proper roost
ye below 10
proper roost
so i guess it doesn't really matter
lusty grotto
i think the official answer is we dont know, cause it might as well be bugged in beta
proper roost
ya idc about the exact numbers/mechanics
the only thing that matters is % anyway
like
% of M+ player io
lusty grotto
i think i saw critcake with like 6k io
proper roost
i mean it feels really bad without the full hero talents
on a bunch of specs
mountain thane def does not function without most of the talents, i was just pressing revenge cuz i was bored
otherwise you just have large gaps
proper roost
errr kinda but not really
I mean DF talents leveraged heavily into revenge
but yeah also i didn't want to play colossus because channeled spell cringe
jagged pier
ive read the cds thing like 5 times and i still dont get it
I mean he also tried to equate getting gear now to getting ironfoe in vanilla, so its on somthing
proper roost
i really, really hate channeled spells no matter what
lusty grotto
same i guess
lusty grotto
I mean he also tried to equate getting gear now to getting ironfoe in vanilla, s...
oh lol
proper roost
without playing the stupid timing minigame every time
proper roost
i mean idk being fast or not doesn't matter
lusty grotto
fyralath really did feel like fucking ass
proper roost
I hate SCK and SCK is a very short cast
just think channeled spells (also evoker spells) are annoying af
anyway time to level my spriest (void torrent lets gooo)
naive panther
Demolish is quick and fun. Not like a real channel feel. Try it out. Does giga damage at 10 stack.
lusty grotto
you dont wait to 10 stacks to use it though
you just send on cd
i just realized you can just run to the renown dudes and they give every alt the crest/valorstone rewards
LMAO
like all of them that your main received
cool, now doing the upgrader drakthyrs quests is easier
for some extra crests/stones
proper roost
did you see about the difficulty on the +12s and above actually applying now
it sounds kind of hilarious tbh
lusty grotto
the damage yes
naive panther
Yeah I never hold it but you can get 10 stack before cd is up.
lusty grotto
the hp pools were already applied
proper roost
i think i might be too old
we'll see idk if ppl playing top keys r worried
i'm worried
lusty grotto
shit is gonna slap these first few weeks
but afaik beta testing wasnt done with max myth gear
i think they were 2-3 out of 6?
lusty grotto
we're not nerfed cause were not top
proper roost
i would be pretty stoked if the only people who could do +12 in first week are titlers
lusty grotto
so dont be scared
loud patrol
we're not nerfed cause were not top
lusty grotto
dont be sad
its good to not be top
those are the first nerfs
yea Kanga we'll see how it goes
loud patrol
so whos gonna get nerfed tho
lusty grotto
brew tier, and dps outliers
proper roost
I get the complaints about the key levels tho
but problem is this doesnt seem
like something blizz will fix before s2
idk its kinda awkward needs to be changed like, within next 3 weeks
loud patrol
what happened to key levels?
lusty grotto
what do you mean
proper roost
but I guess also with the way affixes work now, it just pushes all serious push weeks to the end of the season
Uh because difficulty is scaling too fast after 12s
the io is gonna reflect
very strangely
I mean, it already did before, but its gonna be even worse now
lusty grotto
so the first thing thats gonna happen is obviously complaints
but the thing that people arent seeing
proper roost
like ppl doing 13s is gonna be kinda too close in io to 14 imo
lusty grotto
is that this will push rank ones / TGP / MDI and title players lower
loud patrol
vault still caps in 10 right?
lusty grotto
closer to the average key players
proper roost
is that this will push rank ones / TGP / MDI and title players lower
yes but idk i dont know if this is a good thing
lusty grotto
i also dont know
proper roost
i would like to know if someone at 3300 is legitimately way better than 3200
idk
yeah we'll see ig
lusty grotto
id imagine its a good thing for timmy the guy that does 7s to see that hes not that far from a big professional gamer
like a psychological incentive
what im most worried about
even though i hope i get through that trench fairly fast
is people raging a lot more due to deaths and the whole 15s thing
i genuinely thing that whole shit is a bad thing for everyone
and ive said it before, deaths already have multiple penalties associated with them
but now, they one more multiple more punishing
they are*
proper roost
I hope to play more this season and not just instantly quit at 1%
but honestly
there's a massive time gulf between 1% and 0.1% that makes it kind of hard to be motivated to keep keying
beyond whatever arbitrary high goal you set yourself
whereas like 1% i think a fairly decent amount of players (who can at least complete 10s) can probably reach
if they give it like a months worth of effort
lusty grotto
we will see
lusty grotto
i mean who knows maybe all the gearing changes might make you more motivated
though they kinda do feel like ass
proper roost
I will never be motivated enough to play enough to make it a full time job
It's not about a month vs 2 months
lusty grotto
i dont think longer gearing is necessarily better tbh
proper roost
It's about 1 month of casual play
Vs 3 months (basically entire season) of tryharding playing like a part time job
like no one just accidentally gets into title range
and its even worse if you're full pugging
it's enough to get high enough io to be elitist
lusty grotto
yeah pugging to title range IS a full time job
proper roost
which is I guess like 1-0.5% give or take
and i really didn't feel that was hard (but i also don't remember how much i played that season, I feel like it was kind of a lot)
icy flax
arctic owl
where is the setting that shows me "300k" dmg instead of for example 300.000 dmg ?
so many numbers on the screen xD
fringe relic
What is a good ilvl to be at to tank mythic dungeons when it comes out?
wooden widget
boreal heath
What is a good ilvl to be at to tank mythic dungeons when it comes out?
570-590
strong forum
where is the setting that shows me "300k" dmg instead of for example 300.000 dmg...
I think you need addons for that
arctic owl
thanks
strong forum
i would like to know if someone at 3300 is legitimately way better than 3200
Usually not
What's even funnier then is when people try to have an ego about their score
proper roost
Usually not
i think it was pretty noticeable in s2 that it was, when title was like 3500
🤷
on average sure but still
boreal heath
i think it was pretty noticeable in s2 that it was, when title was like 3500
Yeah but that 3300 could've bought their io and the 3.2k could've earned it
lone eagle
i think it was pretty noticeable in s2 that it was, when title was like 3500
Extra fun pugging title on an off meta tank
I did S3 of SL Cryptic Hero as Brew
Granted Brew tier set made them decent at keys, but nothing was close to BDK
sand condor
does prot actually use slam? is it better on single target than revenge?
warm plinth
does prot actually use slam? is it better on single target than revenge?
No. Slam, Whirlwind, and Rend shouldn't be on your bars.
outer bridge
Hey guys, quick question
Thinking of mainly m+, I saw that we use dawn/duskthread but these require us to be above 80%hp
Is this supposed to have high uptime in m+?
versed widget
guys in big aoe pulls on m+ it is higher dps to not press shield slam if youre just rage capping even revenge + ignore pain spam right?
just thunderclap + revenge spam
outer bridge
Given shield slam is single target and revenge is uncapped, yes, it is higher dps
Not to mention revenge also procs lightning strikes if you're playing thane
neat crow
guys in big aoe pulls on m+ it is higher dps to not press shield slam if youre j...
Iirc u should still be pressing shield slam because of how it interacts with ur entire kit and rage cycle
outer bridge
That too
neat crow
Even if ur playing colossus and full greeding on revenges u should still prio shield slam when its available
outer bridge
I have not looked at anything colossus related ngl
Thane and slayer are just very cool
outer bridge
Is this supposed to have high uptime in m+?
Would appreciate if someone could answer this
neat crow
Is this supposed to have high uptime in m+?
Based on the way pwarr takes dmg it should have good uptime as long as u play correctly
tulip oar
Is warrior tank close to meta this time round?
tulip oar
Fair enough
I guess I should of phrased my question better. Does prot play mostly like it did in Dragonflight?
tranquil pumice
it def feels like its way harder to kill and does a metric shitload of damage
though with only heroics to test i rarely have to be healed and barely use def cds adn still manage top 2 or 3 on dps chart
tranquil pumice
Np
toxic pewter
literally the same as its been for past 2 years
tranquil pumice
idk it felt awful in df maybe that was just my opinon or because they made dh broken
strong forum
i think it was pretty noticeable in s2 that it was, when title was like 3500
Title was nowhere near as low as 3500 in s2
Title was closer to 3800
People reached over 4k that season cuz people ended up clearing up to 33s
tulip oar
Yeah 3200ish to 3300 was season 1 numbers. Season 2 is always way above it.
mellow quartz
Dorki with a new pwar YouTube guide 🍿
neat crow
There isn't any fort/tyrannical score this season right? Will we able to get free tier piece week 1 of season due to it?
neat crow
So if ur doing a 10 it's gonna be like 300+ score or something right
neat crow
If we're able to get there week 1 then it's possible I guess 🤷♂️
strong forum
yah should be
neat crow
Nice
mellow quartz
they used to add all the scores at some point on beta when we had like 6k io
they changed it to just be the highest that counted
All 12’s will be in the 2900 range and you need some 13th to break 3k io
mellow quartz
2k it should be