i want him to tank the delve and alts i can heal on i could practice in that and in follower dungeons
#protection
tribal wharf
warm plinth
@jagged pier did you full clear pineappl'ar palace yet
tender cove
i want him to tank the delve and alts i can heal on i could practice in that and...
yeh most healers can cleanse, blinding light dont really matter, you wont really cc mobs in 99% comps. But the hero talent, sacred weaopon is kinda nice.
proper roost
Congrats
proper roost
i hope we don't have to wait til 11.2.6 or whatever for SL raids
so cringe how late they left that for BFA
tribal wharf
i havent tried the nzoth one from bfa yet
wont bother with raids that can actually kill me
proper roost
It's fine, it's easy. I did it in the prepatch 480 gear at level 70
they adjusted all the bfa raids in the penultimate patch of DF
warm plinth
How are you gonna just ignore my fabulous joke
proper roost
Kanga-rats
icy flax
Loaded question
Does anyone know the calculation relation of Haste=shield block cooldown
icy flax
i hope we don't have to wait til 11.2.6 or whatever for SL raids
They're legacy loot now when you hit level 80
dusk bramble
What prot warriors can i watch on YT throughout the season for tips/guides especially for M+?
I know Quazii but wanted to see others
proper roost
They're legacy loot now when you hit level 80
yeh but i mean mythic 🙁
icy flax
Critcake for when he does 2 prot keys a season
proper roost
mythic adjustments so they're soloable*
leaden olive
what do you guys think for first spark craft? i was going ring maybe or neck
leaden olive
yeah thats what i was wondering ty
tribal wharf
the pin will probaly get removed when its more safe to do crafting
proper roost
alright i got tired of arguing with shamans and had to make this
it also applies here like all the time
tribal wharf
thats an old meme but repurposed
lusty grotto
aight
i know yall have seen "the sheet" already
but balance seems okayish
these are 5 mins ST sims
strong forum
pwar sim is without embellishs*
lusty grotto
no fucking clue what hero trees
wait aim dumb
yeah thats colossus for us
dotc, templar, deathrbinger, colossus, aldrachi
makes sense nome
proper roost
thats an old meme but repurposed
i literally just made it
stop stealing my valor yogi
lofty warren
these are 5 mins ST sims
Can the aoe version of this tier list please be shared too? 🙏
lofty warren
Hmm where would the information be location?
waxen frigate
i literally just made it
I have like 3 different versions of this meme saved
proper roost
Ok well link them all to me right now
i need to spam them to people who keep coming into class discs like "yea of course i will do all +10s week one? are u fucking stupid"
and then don't understand literal basics of their spec and think secondary stat allocation is yuge
like GOD why can't casuals just be realistic about the content they're doing and just be like "yeah i'll probably do like a +4 or +5 at most for the first few weeks"
proper roost
yeah but i needed it specifically to say "WHAT IS THE BIS GEAR I SHOULD WEAR WHY DO WE HATE MASTERY" etc
waxen frigate
Yeah well cope
proper roost
Casuals who obsess about secondary stat allocation are my #1 hate
waxen frigate
lusty grotto
they will
violet ginkgo
guardian actually at the top with such simple things? wow 
lusty grotto
please read
yes druid on top at ST with DotC
dotc at least has a high skill ceiling
warm plinth
Brewmaster doesn't exist 😦
tribal wharf
i asked ai art to create the valor mines, the one with the dock in the lake reminds me of a battlegrounds, the other of a dungeon
waxen frigate
Brewmaster doesn't exist 😦
Real
waxen frigate
i asked ai art to create the valor mines, the one with the dock in the lake remi...
I’m going to ask ai art to nuke your house
tribal wharf
the valor mines being where i got to farm valor stones
teal topaz
tribal wharf
yaaa thats what i picked up on too
wowowawa
i'll give that one a minute to set in
icy flax
Ai's good for medical breakthroughs and now it's getting good at porn
jade tartan
Guys, we can have a total of 2 Embellished gear pieces right ?
round pendant
icy flax
tribal wharf
whats that device on star trek
icy flax
i'm just the messanger
tribal wharf
the one what you point it at any item and it tells you a bunch of details about it, that type of technology is the end game of AI
you know what im talkin about, looks like the garys mod gun
icy flax
Do y'all take Heavy Repurcussions
waxen frigate
Do y'all take Heavy Repurcussions
Yes
Only way to have the shield block uptime you need at current haste levels
lusty grotto
nobody should be taking ITF at this point
icy flax
and when you say you can swap to itf, is shield block infinite at that point?
lusty grotto
no
icy flax
Can you elaborate why
lusty grotto
the more haste you have, the better ITF is
its DR-less
since DR only applies to rating
proper roost
actually insanely based gigachad fun maximizer
icy flax
i was also ignorant and thought HR was bad
proper roost
you know
the biggest factor for io (or whatever measure of success you find ingame) is time spent
lusty grotto
dying to a shield block gap feels likes ass
proper roost
if minmaxing the fun you have in a spec, even if it's technically suboptimal, makes you play it more
then it will much likely be better
🙂
icy flax
If i die i'll just play better next time
planning to do 4m dps and die on vdh on the 17th hype as hell
lusty grotto
thats the spirit
icy flax
hell yea
remote tusk
"I didn't block for .00005 microseconds, oof owie."
lusty grotto
🤷
proper roost
i wish i had the energy to have that hype again
it's proving difficult for me to even get the motivation to get up to ~580 before delvespam week 😔
waxen frigate
It’s really easy to get to 580 tho
proper roost
yeah but that takes more time than playing like 1 hour
lusty grotto
just do it you pansy
proper roost
my only motivation is that i might be able to do keys with nimchip and his friends again in a few weeks..
placid vigil
is it just me or does anyone else notice that their character is "missing" on swings/abilities alot
waxen frigate
is it just me or does anyone else notice that their character is "missing" on sw...
Uhhh
You shouldn’t be
proper roost
I have a lot of other irl stuff I really want to do right now
waxen frigate
Are you low leve fighting higher level mobs in the open world
proper roost
and then a lot of other more interesting stuff happens in the next 2 weeks 😔
wow motivation at an all time low for me i'm afraid
lusty grotto
good kanga good
fair beacon
yo. question: I am mainly a prot pve player but I wanna get the rep rewards from the pvp quest. which spec is better at pvp atm? arms or fury?
proper roost
and then the worst part is I was like "wait, why do I even want to get top 1% this season in wow? that sounds like it'll take a lot of time and also take away time from a lot of my other hobbies" so now i'm existentially torn on whether i should even try
placid vigil
Are you low leve fighting higher level mobs in the open world
nah im 80 and its on everything, dungeons, random mobs and whatnot
strong forum
and then the worst part is I was like "wait, why do I even want to get top 1% th...
i often opt not to try
proper roost
yeah but the problem is wow players have an extremely fucked up sense of how valuable time is
they'll be like "yeah i spent 20 hours on keys this week, didn't really try"
waxen frigate
nah im 80 and its on everything, dungeons, random mobs and whatnot
Uhhh
mellow quartz
There are no ‘push weeks’ now
waxen frigate
Like actually missing?
mellow quartz
So you don’t have to sacrifice whole weeks
waxen frigate
Shows in the log/details and everything?
placid vigil
havent really done any logging on it but pops up multiple times on my screen sasying miised
missed*
waxen frigate
Because tanks in current WoW don’t have the capability to miss or be parried outside of specific effects
proper roost
There are no ‘push weeks’ now
it's not about that
placid vigil
anyway on details to get missed?
proper roost
it's about just having time in general to key
waxen frigate
anyway on details to get missed?
Yeah just open the breakdown and click on something that can miss, like melee
And it would have like a bar for normal dmg, then a bar for crit dmg, then a box for misses/parries
mellow quartz
it's about just having time in general to key
No one is forcing anyone to push keys or even play the game 🤷♂️
proper roost
unless you have a group that is carrying you or get fairly lucky, high io early season is really time consuming
yes
I know
that's
MY POINT!!
mellow quartz
Early season IO is made so much easier if you mythic raid
proper roost
Me: man IDK if I have the motivation to key anymore, I realize I don't really need self validation from how good I am at wow
you: no one's making you!
no shit!!
mellow quartz
Ilvl will carry you early
proper roost
I'm about to thunder blast you!
placid vigil
@waxen frigate thats my melee for overall on some dungeons
waxen frigate
Show gear
proper roost
some mobs in hallowfall or something have some kind of miss debuff they can put on you i'm guessing it's just some shit like that tbh
waxen frigate
some mobs in hallowfall or something have some kind of miss debuff they can put ...
Yeah I’m thinking maybe that too
There are mobs that have miss chance due to specific abilities
But idk which ones in particular
placid vigil
its everywhere i go not even in hallowfall
lusty grotto
yup
muted arch
what level would u guys recommend bran be to solo tier 8delves on tuesday
tender cove
and then the worst part is I was like "wait, why do I even want to get top 1% th...
As someone who wants to play wow but just cant because irl stuff I both want and have to do, such as taking care of my dispensary, starting construction for a cafe and so on?
Life is way to short, do what you enjoy and dont think to much about it. Its a game and its not really going anywhere.
Always focus on what makes you happy and not listen to all the background noise.
mellow quartz
what level would u guys recommend bran be to solo tier 8delves on tuesday
Dorki made a video about level 8 delves yesterday basically going in blind. Seemed easy enough on a tank but had higher ilvl that you will have day 1.
proper roost
knowing yogi it's some fucked up shit like a mechagnome mage..
warm plinth
What's wrong with mechagnomes
proper roost
i hate both of you
lusty grotto
proper roost
nish only likes transmogs where people look like literal npcs
anyways are you busy next friday
my friends don't want to do m0
lusty grotto
possible, but hectic week for me
waxen frigate
Better than kanga’s
lusty grotto
silk sandal
does anyone know if raidbots properly sims tanks having dps role only trinkets nerfed?
lusty grotto
yes it does
warm plinth
lusty grotto
do you mean with the trinket nerf?
silk sandal
Yeah
lusty grotto
it should
silk sandal
Alrighty, was assuming that but I am seeing things wildly different from the guide haha. I guess its just that current gear is super low compared to what sims are typically done at
mellow quartz
Simming yourself right now just seems kinda pointless
lusty grotto
agreed
but its something they can do if theyre looking for "bis lists"
which are also pointless right now
vocal cave
does shield slam dmg scale with block value?
minor sparrow
is pwar apm too high
warm plinth
That is purely subjective
proper roost
it's probably on the higher end for tanks with mountain thane tbf
feel like it was pretty middling in df
fluid widget
@proper roost did you used to be the resto shaman guru in classic
Or was it priest? Name looks v familiar
proper roost
yeah I used to do classic healing stuff
All 5 specs generally (way easier to keep up with how classic specs play)
proper roost
All kinda helped out with all of them
fluid widget
No not here like the server just retail
lusty grotto
yes
fluid widget
O
proper roost
yes sadly i am old
lusty grotto
hes been around retail longer than classic
fluid widget
So much makes sense
proper roost
i was here when skyhold was first made (in 2016 shortly after discord launch)
fluid widget
So much
fluid widget
fluid widget
Do any of the tanks not give carpal tunnel?
lusty grotto
the true granpappy is Sense
Master Sense
and then probably Yogi
i dont have carpal tunnel issues
so i wouldnt know
but im also very picky about my binds
which probably helps a shitload
tribal wharf
i just dont like having to do modifiers unless its like, you do it once every 5 minutes
warm plinth
Do any of the tanks not give carpal tunnel?
BDK is probably the lowest APM if I had to guess since they don't really have any regularly pressed off-GCD buttons
warm plinth
Define "trying to play rogue"
tribal wharf
walk up to enemy, attack it over and over again
lusty grotto
lol...
warm plinth
at what level lol
lusty grotto
rogue is one of the highest maintenance classes in the game rn
proper roost
Specifically now that they don't like haste
specifically now that haste is like their worst stat*
is probably like bdk < bear < brm/veng/ppal < pwar honestly
fluid widget
Rogue feels awful without their full kit
And then you realize that they’re kit is boring once you have everything
wild agate
Bear is pretty high apm
proper roost
eh, I guess bear is pretty much the same apm as those other 3
fluid widget
is probably like bdk < bear < brm/veng/ppal < pwar honestly
Interesting TIL
wild agate
I think you press Ironfur more than you press ignore pain
tribal wharf
is bear purple consecration the way?
proper roost
did they buff how often you press ironfur?
cuz it wasn't that often in DF, relatively speaking
tribal wharf
if its not i dunno if im interestd
proper roost
and they've buffed how often you press IP now by a lot
foggy frost
if i have rend and thunder clap, do i need rend on my bars or does thunder apply to all
oblique quarry
thunder
foggy frost
(not at home to test)
tribal wharf
it should say so even on website talent calculators
if you have both, hitting tc puts rend on targets
foggy frost
yup thanks
wild agate
is bear purple consecration the way?
it plays a bit smoother and has more self sustain, damage wise performs similarly to claw in M+, but claw has significantly higher single target
so definitely playable in dungeons
less so in raids I guess
lone eagle
What's a totally brief and subjective overview of ST tank DPS look like right now for raid
Just curious on some subjective opinions here
Bear seems top. Then Pwar/BDK/VDH all around the same?
lusty grotto
what makes you think that
lone eagle
Just quick sims I've been running on all my tanks and playing them, but part of why I'm looking for some external validation
lusty grotto
what kind of sims are you runing
lone eagle
Trying to decide on my raid tank and waffling between bear, Brew and pwar
Just quick Patchwerk. My Pwar is smoking my Brew with a slight ilvl disadvantage
lusty grotto
what hero talents
lone eagle
And my bear is smoking everything down 15 ilvls
lusty grotto
1 target 3 mins? 1 target 5 mins?
lone eagle
1 target 5 minutes, ran a few sims for each of the recommended raid setups
But basically max ST talent setup
lusty grotto
#protection message dotc, templar, deathrbinger, colossus, aldrachi - 1 target 5 mins
lusty grotto
keep in mind some of those hero trees might not be the best for prog
its just full sending on damage
lone eagle
So Pwar is slamming more than I think
lusty grotto
yes
lone eagle
Sick
lone eagle
Yeah I love both specs
lusty grotto
#protection message <--- very important
lone eagle
Yep. Maybe I'll bang out m+ title again
Would be nice for my raid and m+ tank to be the same this season
Working 55 hours a week these days so have taken the last few seasons off
Besides CE and weekly keys
lusty grotto
kinda feels like youre overlooking "as colossus"
idk
also "as dotc"
and the others
fluid widget
MT is ridiculously fun to play
lusty grotto
which is weird cause they didnt sim VDH as FS
lone eagle
My cotank is a VDH
fluid widget
Isn’t FS just better than aldrachi for everything?
lone eagle
so I didn't care too much about VDH this season. But I'm fine with both Colossus and MT
I ran my sims with both trees and execute/non execute
Prob just some sim wonkiness/unoptimized stats and gear and no 4 set
Was mostly looking for ballpark spec potential
But you've sold me on Pwar which is what I've wanted the answer to be anyway with no ragrets
lusty grotto
well i wasnt looking to sell
fluid widget
I’m a peasant prot but it’s stupidly fun in heroics
lone eagle
I have a sick Pwar mog in the works
I've been disappointed with my Brew despite historically being a Brew main
Magic just isn't there anymore
But I'm still kind of bear'd out
TIME FOR PWAR BABY
wild agate
in a pure damage sense, on aoe it is worth to stop spamming shield slam resets and press revenge instead, when about to cap rage?
im kinda annoyed by having constant resets and using all my rage on IP practically wasting almost all of it since IP is already full
lusty grotto
in a pure damage sense, on aoe it is worth to stop spamming shield slam resets a...
no
if youre talking about MT, no
burn rage with IP
its off-gcd
IP being full does not matter, use it anyway
wild agate
but I'm pretty sure that above a certain amount of targets, revenge simply does more damage than shield slam
lusty grotto
rage cycling is more important than whatever value your IP has
lusty grotto
but I'm pretty sure that above a certain amount of targets, revenge simply does ...
no
SS grants TB stacks
revenge hits for nothing in MT
same as in DF really
you have 2 reasons to cast revenge
- on opener to apply initial deep wounds
wild agate
riiight
lusty grotto
- if SS and TC are on cd
wild agate
I missed the fact that only SS grants TB
thanks
also, is Thorim's Might actually better than Gathering Clouds?
since this way in an AoE situation you will practically never use Revenge
other than applying deep wounds
wild agate
so far in in my experience the resets are so frequent that this happens very rarely
wild agate
but I see
lusty grotto
its not transferable to actual content
things will live longer
on that actual content
mellow quartz
Revenge is like 3-4% of your damage in a key as MT
tidal glacier
we running punish build or execute for raid?
lusty grotto
whatever feels best for your own prog
if youre not getting pounded, do execute
otherwise punish
fairly straightforward
tidal glacier
execute it is
we have some healers that are pumping so thats their problem not mine XD
lusty grotto
i believe it
tribal wharf
rogue seems to be okay too
patent musk
we have some healers that are pumping so thats their problem not mine XD
the goal for a tank is to basically not even appear on the healer's raid frames. If you are getting any singular heals or stealing aoe hots, thats bad
tribal wharf
devs of wow should have a version of world of pinnaple for raids for testing ideas
sand box, i imagine they make raid bosses using something like that
tidal glacier
the goal for a tank is to basically not even appear on the healer's raid frames....
Sounds like healer problems to me. As a healer/tank main I doubt me playing the higher dps talents will be so costly
hardy snow
ngl, aoe padding is quite fun
tribal wharf
rogue is good, killing spree as finisher is great idea
waxen cradle
Is the Tome still a good sleeper damage trinket
lusty grotto
Is the Tome still a good sleeper damage trinket
yes
vague abyss
as a new tank, should i be worrying about routes now for season 1? Just noticed that i have to actually choose direction for adds %, this discord can help with that 
lusty grotto
you have a full week before m+ comes out
also r.io often have basic routes
also dungeons are pretty press-W
vague abyss
oh so next week isnt the start of season 1?
vague abyss
just 0's? ah ok
rigid hull
Dawnbreaker litteralt worst design ever dont u think @lusty grotto
tribal wharf
what do you dislike about it
vague abyss
is weird that i do more damage as a prot warrior than a arms one in world content (questing, rares, delves, etc)?
tribal wharf
it took me alot of failures but i finally figured out everything about that place most part
vague abyss
my hp basically doesnt exists as a prot either lol
tribal wharf
probably because you can afford to pull more mobs without worrying about dying
for open world prot is 100% what to do, never die
rigid hull
its littrealy dogshit dungeon @tribal wharf
i dont wanna fly around and find stuff to kill
i wanna movce with my character and clear mobs
tribal wharf
i was more mad about the map and how it was visually shown on the map
tribal wharf
3 rare spawn icons that represent where you can mount and then 3 gold dots on map, at curch, town hall, and pub, and the mobs walk in and out of the little houses or stay in them
you have to go to each house, clear the mob (its pretty obvious once spotted, highlighted, unique model and name)
and then that boss wont hurt you at all
i was mad that there is this map of the area you can fullscreen and then it doesnt show me or the party on the screen
final boss is pretty sneaky too, have to grab dragon balls on way to boss phase2 make sure you dont die to dots, and he can totally agrro the prest and meleethem for landing phase 3
green roll bar thats really sneaky
boreal hamlet
so the linen
tribal wharf
its just war within zeros only right
cuz theres some dungeons i want to really get in there and make sure i 100% learn the mechanics to an unfailable level
if they are in ther from the rip
and some i want to avoid
pallid quiver
is weird that i do more damage as a prot warrior than a arms one in world conten...
Prot's damage is heavily front-loaded with CDs, and world mobs definitely don't live long
brave stirrup
Do any of you love prot but absolutely hate the dps specs? I want to roll prot war this expac but man I hate the other 2 specs
pallid quiver
guys any pvp warrior build? where can i find? here on the discord?
You'd still want to go to the PvP channel; the other channels are all PvE focused
regal hornet
You'd still want to go to the PvP channel; the other channels are all PvE focuse...
yeah saw it but pvp channel is a bit general as i saw
pallid quiver
and expect to get laughed out of the room if you're asking for something for not battlegrounds, since tanks are not optimal unless the game is in a bad spot
regal hornet
and expect to get laughed out of the room if you're asking for something for not...
honestly atm it is in a bad spot xd
pallid quiver
yeah saw it but pvp channel is a bit general as i saw
If you don't want to ask there, then you're not asking anywhere; these are PvE channels
It's like going to a sushi restaurant and asking about the best setups for nets to go lobster fishing
they do in fact both deal with aquatic life
but they're entirely different fields
tribal wharf
Do any of you love prot but absolutely hate the dps specs? I want to roll prot w...
thane fury felt okay to me
probably some nice mortal strike arms colossus build too i bet
tribal wharf
AMOGUS
lusty grotto
giga sus
lusty grotto
why not just play the pineapple shit
i aint touching that url with a 10, 20, 50, 2,000 foot pole
tribal wharf
i did for science
wont ever return to it
seemed like he was trying to make a budget icyveins, i duno
arctic fulcrum
uhh its just a Notion published page... relax lol
appreciate you leaking my full name. super cool
lusty grotto
@tribal wharf delete the message with the author's name, please
warm plinth
Hate to tell you this but the link embed shows it
daring grove
To be fair, it's in the screengrab he shared
warm plinth
I think yogi just SSed the embed
daring grove
It's in the link preview, don't even need to click to see
warm plinth
Snipped whatever
daring grove
Ye ye
frosty holly
Yapp
lusty grotto
appreciate you leaking my full name. super cool
remove the embed
in your link
theres a handy "x" or whatever in it
if you cant find it you can just wrap the link around < >
i guess he'll get to it eventually
yogi once he gets around to it, remove yours
or just do it right away
ruby void
Anyone else see “hotfixes coming” or “class tuning adjustments” and immediately get sus?
cerulean tusk
As a warrior, I don't really care. We are last on the list, so chances are we keep being forgotten (for good and bad)
tribal wharf
rogue seems like its fairly strong i will say
lusty grotto
thank you yogi
tribal wharf
i mean hey, you try daily to get me to leave this place
lusty grotto
now hopefully the guy removes his own embed
tribal wharf
might work after 30 years
its not like theres really truly alot of damage it can do click some guys link
maybe guys a hacker, then worry,
lusty grotto
nono
its just his name is in it
which i think he didnt want to post
but then he replied to you without realizing its in his own discord embed
tribal wharf
but like, otherwise, what, im guna stress about cookie and he possibly knows my ip now
frosty holly
Doubt it's anything iffy. Not like Notion is his own site
tribal wharf
i never heard of notion, i don't really trust people that say " i use duck duck go or jeeves.com as my seach engine"
" i get my wow character advice from yahoo answers
but ppl that think you click a website a hacker sent and your laptop blows up in a fireball..... nah......... doesnt work that way l mao
frosty holly
Knew about it due to a friend talking about it due to a professor of a class he was taking used it to post notes
Aka professor had notes about what he had gone over in class etc.
turbid lintel
Prot pal gonna be viable with those changes or nah
tribal wharf
felt weak last i played it, but i'd wait for second opinion, im not an expert on it at all
lusty grotto
hmm no brew tier changes 🤔
lofty warren
is there any point to do the weekly thing in azj-kahet?
lusty grotto
aka nerfs
no idea, im doing it on all characters just for professions and rep
i guess rep is the biggest thing
lofty warren
but rep doesn't give any good power stuff?
lone eagle
hmm no brew tier changes 🤔
Yeah a little weird given how it's significantly stronger than the other tank tier sets
lusty grotto
i bet
lone eagle
5% bigger size go
turbid lintel
yeah idk
It’s really weird that the 24 rewards are crests for 606 items. Even if you had bumrushed one rep specifically, those are more or less useless starting next week
lusty grotto
lone eagle
Dropped my Kultiran mog in Transmog. Was finally able to incorporate the Kultiran chest into something
potent anvil
I went earthen on my warr, since earthen by default is slightly bigger than regular/dark iron dwarves. With the colossus 5% size increase, I look like a unit
lusty grotto
potent anvil
My warr is juiced, ready for m0s
My 4 characters in my warband are all dwarves, of every kind. Dwarfcraft
turbid lintel
What is dwarf may never die
round cliff
just did an entire dungeon without avatar because it said i didnt know avatar for some reason
ama
cerulean tusk
Cause Storm Wind and IF are long term allies, the OG alliance
jagged gust
Eventually wow devolves in to Dwarf Fortress
urban bane
just did an entire dungeon without avatar because it said i didnt know avatar fo...
were you specced as dps and then accepted the queue and it ported you in as prot?
round cliff
yes
frosty holly
Same
Now before i acc i make sure I'm tank spec. So i don't waste valuable seconds in the dungeon. Can't have the pugs that will leave after first boss wait y'know!
tawdry herald
how do you get a nerubian embellishment on shield in a crafting order
potent anvil
Which one?
Shields are considered armor, you can't put a weapon-only embellishment. I dunno if shields can have all armor-type embellishments. I never really pay too much attention to them.
versed widget
does anyone know what the % is on this ignore pain tracker?
this is a max ignore pain, so not sure why it says 30%
lusty grotto
should ask the WA's author on their wago
versed widget
fair
sly yarrow
guys sorry for me english, my mother lenguage is spanish, i need to answer to you, in this moment the shield you can craft with blacksmith is good?
sly yarrow
ahh vale
lusty grotto
ty for mentioning which languange 🙂
proper roost
🫡
lusty grotto
kanga vdh is ready
proper roost
i am busy for another like hour probably but i am gonna degen some more heroics afterwards
lusty grotto
aight
proper roost
gonna craft like 3 more things
lusty grotto
i gotta hardcore level paladin though
proper roost
and also need to figure out how to get like 4k more assembly of the deeps rep
lusty grotto
rares probably?
proper roost
I think rares are only one time
cuz i did a lap around hallowfall to try to get like 50 rep and the previous ones i've killed
did not give any
maybe it's once per week idk
lusty grotto
i see
versed widget
Do you have a link to it? Could look at the code and see if anything sticks out
it kinda feels like its trying to tell me what percentage ignore pain is filled, but it caps at 30% instead of 100%
frosty holly
Just by reading the description aka
Additionally, this WeakAura is "smart" about how it determines whether or not an Ignore Pain cast should be considered a full cast. By default, an Ignore Pain cast that will grant 80% of its absorb or more is considered a full cast. Inversely, an Ignore Pain cast that will grant less than 20% of its absorb is considered a capped (red) cast. This threshold percentage is adjustable in Custom Options.
It seems to be the Threshold percentage.
versed widget
mmmm i think that is referring to the colour of the text on the absorb
otherwise im not sure why a fully capped absorb is showing 30%
frosty holly
Might be bugged. Or odd setting. What happens if you change it in Custom Options?
versed widget
just changes the colour of the absorb amount, percentage is not changed
frosty holly
Hmm
lusty grotto
could just be a reference to IP's cap
which is 30% of total hp
but again, these are WAs i dont use
versed widget
ahhhhhhh if thats the case i think youre right!
lusty grotto
cause theres no reason to track IP, youre just pressing it based on rage
versed widget
the reason i was asking here is im new to warr so wasnt sure if 30% was something significant to warrior
well, if its already max shield pressing is wasting rage
but only relevant in lower keys i think
lusty grotto
knowing when its capped is only helpful if youre doing title keys etc
lusty grotto
well, if its already max shield pressing is wasting rage
incorrect
you press it regardless
youre losing dps by NOT pressing it
versed widget
why? wouldnt that just go to waste?
lusty grotto
less Avatar resets due to AM, less outbursts
frosty holly
spending rage lowers cd
versed widget
so even if shield is capped i just press it?
lusty grotto
it should be on both guides yes
cerulean musk
I'm really digging Colossus, not sure what best spec would be for Delves. Would it be a mythic+ build or a raid build?
lusty grotto
i dont rememeber where specifically
versed widget
is it better to press a capped ignore pain instead of revenge?
if i only have rage for 1
lusty grotto
yes
versed widget
oh wow
lusty grotto
in general you want to IP at 70+ rage
revenge you only use if SS or TC is on cd (or on the opener to apply deep wounds)
you dont use revenge with the thought of "using rage"
not as MT
its different as Colossus though
MT and IP usage has been our gameplay loop since probably SL
versed widget
oh im specifically talking about m+ i should have specified
lusty grotto
BFA as well
versed widget
i will read the guide though
pallid quiver
if i only have rage for 1
If you only have rage for 1, you're not close to capping, as a heads up, so you shouldn't fuss over it at that point
since revenge only costs 20 rage
and IP 35, so you'd be below 55 rage if you could only use one, so you'd hold off on doing anything with the rage unless the only thing you can do with that global is revenge
in which case you send revenge
lusty grotto
oh MT = Mountain Thane, not Main Tank in this conversation
in case that brought about the confusion
versed widget
ahhh thank you, and thank you Luerce as well
does it change if ive dropped mitigation talents for revenge talents to do meme damage?
lusty grotto
are you colossus?
pallid quiver
does it change if ive dropped mitigation talents for revenge talents to do meme ...
Revenge will pretty much always hit like a wet noodle for Thane. You still pick up a few revenge talents anyway, since they're better than the alternatives, but you can't really make it pump
Especially in comparison to Shield Slam and Clap/Blast
urban portal
what about that guy who sits on 10 stacks of demolish and never cast it
so his revenge was hitting like a truck
(none of his other spells do damage)
lusty grotto
for current content is fine
but if he does that hes losing on overall
and also hes losing a shitload of defensiveness
5% DR each stack after demolish for 10s - so losing this completely
not an optimal way to play
colossus
but in current content its fine, youre just bursting every 10s revenge padding
and nothing hurts anyway
turbid lintel
is this right? it reads up to 5% dr for 10 secs based on the number of stacks? DO stacks + increased dr or increased duration
lusty grotto
read above
turbid lintel
was replying when it said 50% dr and was losing it
lusty grotto
oh, i just removed it cause hes not actually casting demolish
but yeah a fully stack demolish should be like a wall
but i could be wrong, let me test
turbid lintel
jeez really? I was reading it as maximum of 10% inc damage and maximum 5% dr for x secs based on stacks but i havent been looking in game at what it actually means
turbid lintel
but it also says up to 10% and 5% specifically
and then seconds reads like its based on stacks
lusty grotto
seems like it would be a good buff for colossus' defensiveness
if it was 5% per stack
and since youre not waiting on 10 stacks to cast demolish anyway...
2% per stack would be great i guess, so its not absurd
mighty valley
yeah
would be a little awkward to have more defensive power in something that you just press on cd regardless of situation
but it'd be something
overall think they should just find some places for more rage gen, the gap is pretty huge
lusty grotto
i think
after playing it
its kinda fine
just requires a lot more emphasis on rage management
turbid lintel
its interesting its 20% inc damage and not 10%
turbid lintel
just requires a lot more emphasis on rage management
you kind of have to run thunder roar and the bleed talent but that combo more or less makes rage gen fine. But also Brutal Vitality with 10 stacks, a revenge on a 5+ targets for me is critting for around 500k a target.
So it shoooouuuuld be refilling IP by a decent amount per revenge global on aoe pulls
lusty grotto
yeah i know
the problem is not filling up or not IP
its rage cycling
thats specifically what we were talking about
proper roost
gamers
how do i gain assembly of the deeps rep
if i already did weeklies and wqs and have a contract
i really don't want to do all the quests in the zone 
turbid lintel
its rage cycling
I haven't played the game since like legion but i'm not sure what you mean by rage cycling. Does that mean spending rage to work towards resetting major cds
lusty grotto
yes
rage management etc
either way colossus is very similar to legion prot
but we certainly did rage management back then anyway
turbid lintel
I played blood in legion
I'm excited for things to speed up in dungeons. As of heroics I feel like I have more than enough time to decide if I should dump via revenge or make sure I ahve an IP saved up as colossus
mighty valley
I like that colossus asks for a bit more thinking, it’s slightly more fun to me
lusty grotto
yeah
mighty valley
Would be nice if that thinking gave you an advantage or a niche, not sure it will in meaningful content
lusty grotto
however im still probably not touching it in the season until i get a good amount of gear
proper roost
i wish the dirigible mount wasn't so dang stubby
i really like how it looks mostly 😔
turbid lintel
Would be nice if that thinking gave you an advantage or a niche, not sure it wil...
🤷♂️ if colossus is doing easy 2nd-3rd in dps on heroics, I'm sure in meaningful coordinated groups we will still be slapping
proper roost
well the main issue is that you can't pump dps if you're dead
cunning topaz
have people started crafting with spark?
turbid lintel
have people started crafting with spark?
dummies have
no sense in spark crafting before you have access to gilded enchanted crests
cunning topaz
truu
sand rapids
It's probably been asked before, but I'm trying to figure out what embellishments I should actually be investing in for s1. Obviously every guide is pointing at the threads, but until we actually play out high m+, I'm extremely skeptical that we will be above 80% HP often enough to get value out of them
lusty grotto
we're waiting on tuning untl we have a formal recommendation
sand rapids
Aight, thanks
sand rapids
True, but with the nerfs to self sustain etc, I get the feeling this season it will be different
lusty grotto
we're not a self sustain tank
those nerfs didnt hit us anywhere near as hard as others (cough prot pally)
sand rapids
Of course, but it was still nerfed nonetheless
lusty grotto
our self mit is more than enough
IP was also not nerfed
and youre not using IV nearly as enough to make a difference
by the time youre up on title key range, there may be some variations, but until then its uptime is more than enough
peak light
Hey guys, is there a spell reflect Weakaura for m+ yet? :3
peak light
I know, just wondered if anyone knew if it was out, it was pretty useful 😄
pallid quiver
I'd recommend just pressing the button if there's any casts ready and to look for any exceptional reflects (things like a boss that has two reflectable abilities, but you want to reflect the one that comes second instead of first), since worst case scenario, you get the DR
plush tendon
True, but with the nerfs to self sustain etc, I get the feeling this season it w...
I think people are gonna find that tanks are more then fine even with the self healing nerfs
you just wont be able to live in a M+ 18 alone when your old squad is dead
jagged pier
Member ppl with the wa used to reflect surge instead deluge
Because it told them to SR
sturdy dune
guys, how do i gather groups? i normally use the charge where i get shield block into ignore pain and then shield slam/Thunderblast
turbid lintel
True, but with the nerfs to self sustain etc, I get the feeling this season it w...
Prot will likely have the highest or second highest uptime on the threads due to the iron wall style of tanking we have
sand rapids
Prot will likely have the highest or second highest uptime on the threads due to...
I'm looking forward to it if it's the case
urban bane
guys, how do i gather groups? i normally use the charge where i get shield block...
Nome goes into it in his guide on wowhead https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank
Keep in mind shield charge does AoE damage for opening. Other than the ravager, spear, and shield charge cast, casting a thunderclap/thunderblast and possibly revenge will likely be more than enough to get you established.
jagged pier
I mean if your going in with avatar your first global should be tb
So u dont over cap on stacks
sturdy dune
but dont i die if i dont have shield block up?
urban bane
shield block is off gcd
jagged pier
^^
jagged pier
Charge plus avatar and tb is enough for sb
sturdy dune
so i charge avatar SB into ignore pain?
jagged pier
Only ip if your gunna cap
urban bane
dont worry about ignore pain until you are close to overcap rage
jagged pier
Its not somthing u think about instantly doing
urban bane
ignore pain isnt like shield block you dont hafta have it up
it is important as a way to dump rage
off the gcd
sturdy dune
okay, ty a lot guys!"!
sharp mirage
what's the best embelishment yet?
strong forum
Probably elemental lense for pure ST, otherwise dusk/dawn
On the bis profile we simmed a few weeks ago dusk/dawn simmed within 300 dps of elemental lense
But for early prog its probably lense cuz they don't scale with ilvl anymore
strong forum
Nah don't think so
shrewd kelp
Guys hello any tips for good WA for managing IP and SB ? 😉
minor forge
Is mag'har a horrible option?
Leveled one during remix
jagged pier
if u like the race then its fine as racial hardly matters at all
minor forge
I like it
tribal wharf
i personally think maghar orc active racial is one of the strongest in the entire game
very universal, always useful
unlike, say, undead active racial canabalize for hp and mana, not really useful to warrior or rogue, hunter
but its really good for priest
plush tendon
no race is a bad option
they are all pretty even in terms of DPS power and there is always some use case where their util racials are useful
the only time racial may matter is in high end content like pushing top PVP rank, top IO, or RWF
Mag'har orc also get the benefit of getting to look like Grommash Hellscream
wise egret
Is there any Reason to use Rend over Revenge?
wise egret
Alright, thank you!
bleak breach
hi guys, is there a colossal might tracking WA?
tribal wharf
repository website for those types of things is wago io
bleak breach
yes i know, couldn't find one on there so asked here.
i made one anyway, wasn't as hard as i thought.
tribal wharf
wowhead normally has a thing you can click that tries to make a weak aura about the thing you are wowhead looking up
import it to weak auras
not always quality results
and so, typically, if i need a weak aura i will start with those 2 options or go with out
mellow quartz
did they make Nitro Boosts unable to backfire in the open world now?
I have noticed mine haven't backfired once so far in TWW
(knock on wood)
round star
did they make Nitro Boosts unable to backfire in the open world now?
My Nitro Boosts toss me in the air like 70% of the time so you better keep knocking on the wood
mellow quartz
strange
maybe its like the SL engi res so the amount of Nothrend engi skill you have affect it
stable marsh
does anyone know why my revenge wont give me a stack of colssal might when i hit 3targets.
fluid widget
A heroic ironfoe sounds very intriguing…
exotic sandal
New to prot and have a quick question - is the intent of the IP/SS macro to always apply IP via SS resets as needed? Or is it wiser to have two binds.
austere oar
New to prot and have a quick question - is the intent of the IP/SS macro to alwa...
it's so that you dont miss a SS reset when you press IP
exotic sandal
Gotcha. So think of it as IP with some added insurance. Thank ya!
unreal lily
If I have an ever forged defender crafted should I use the dusk thread that increases crit or vers on it?
rigid hull
will u run roar or spear in m0 @jagged pier
strong forum
does anyone know why my revenge wont give me a stack of colssal might when i hit...
You didn't talent into seismic reverb
strong forum
If I have an ever forged defender crafted should I use the dusk thread that incr...
Whichever you like, but crit will do slightly more damage
jagged pier
will u run roar or spear in m0 <@179993058186625025>
if i play colossus ill run roar
if i play thane ill run spear
shrewd kelp
Damn, I have now remembered that I should also prepare my raid build, not only M+ 😱
cinder nova
Is the Sigil of Algari Accordance simbait?
toxic pewter
Damn, I have now remembered that I should also prepare my raid build, not only M...
dont forget ur delve build
shrewd kelp
dont forget ur delve build
We are not using dungeon one ?!?!
toxic pewter
I mean prob very similar, perhaps a talent or two may change, not sure
shrewd kelp
tribal wharf
Is the Sigil of Algari Accordance simbait?
hold on
thats an old image so i dont have access to what the #2 ability dmg did rip o7
but, from what i can tell, is basically it just has a chance to summon a dude who is more or less you (if hunter get a hunter, if melee get a melee dude)
and they like, attack, sorta like the porcelian crab i guess is best way to say it?
what the hunter summons, maybe if im bored ill try to get some screenshots of whatever it does for warrior specs
cinder nova
Weird, mine did only like 1% of my overall in a dungeon.
tribal wharf
this was a world quest, no idea how they actually work lol, but it sounds like there is like half a dozen it can call, depends on something about ur character
strong forum
They proc npcs that have actions based on your role
As healer, you only spawn healing npcs
As tank you spawn an npc that does hard hitting auto attacks
And sometimes you get a buff from them or smth
Pretty bad trinket
It's like whelpshell 2.0 but without the training
fluid widget
That larynx is gnarly hot damn
tribal wharf
it has some down sides such as you need to build a bunch of stacks that dont refresh it
and it s not a remarkable area, can do nothing if you use it wrong time, both good and bad that it takes place so quickly
austere oar
We just be running the bee anyway 
tribal wharf
honey buzzer?
raw parcel
For those who have tested it, how do 10s feel now? Does having fort and tyrannical both lead to endless sadness, or is it tuned pretty well for that?
mellow quartz
we tested them at 613 ilvl on beta
so how the feel would very much depend on your ilvl going in
if your group knows what they are doing it should be fine
ancient reef
the fuck they buffed bloodsd dps lol
mellow quartz
you sat at 10-12 stacks of boneshield before so the tier set change made them lose 5-6% so to compensate they buffed their damage by 5%
just moved some dps from the tier set to the class
mellow quartz
For those who have tested it, how do 10s feel now? Does having fort and tyrannic...
Also if you didn’t follow the beta patch notes both Tyr and Fort have been nerfed from how you know them in DF.
raw parcel
Also if you didn’t follow the beta patch notes both Tyr and Fort have been nerfe...
I was not aware, thanks! That makes it a little less daunting a prospect.
placid night
Hey Guys Im a warropr tank
i WAnt Make A 606 Gear Crafted
Can anyone Give Me best Option >?
unreal lily
Whichever you like, but crit will do slightly more damage
Thanks!!
placid night
guys ?
Anyone Can cheak Me for a sec ?
Wanna Know What Is the Best Option For Prot Warrior For Crafting Gear
mellow quartz
Shield if you don’t mythic raid
placid night
What About FeeT?
fluid widget
i WAnt Make A 606 Gear Crafted
You’ll want to wait a little bit before crafting the 606; you can craft a heroic piece this upcoming week with your spark
placid night
Can i Know Why ?
main walrus
because by then we would have more information to know what to go for i guess ?
placid night
Ye Make Sence
fluid widget
Can i Know Why ?
The reward of crafting it early isn’t as significant as waiting a week. Also there’s possible embellishment tunings too
placid night
Oh that Mean Maybe they Channge Emblishment ?
fluid widget
This first week also doesn’t really have any of the rush needed; it’s just heroic/nornal/m0. The following week is when the mythic race and m+ pushes begin
main walrus
but, and i just thought of this, isn't it because we wait and let's say, embelishment "A" is best, and we all craft that, and now the study data is changed and embelishment "A" is now overtuned and needs a nerf ?
placid night
Next Week Anything added About Crafted Gear On this channel and Pinned ?
fluid widget
but, and i just thought of this, isn't it because we wait and let's say, embelis...
Or embellishment b is underpowered and they buff it now that they have live raid data etc
main walrus
Next Week Anything added About Crafted Gear On this channel and Pinned ?
trust me, you will find people discussing it here
fluid widget
Next Week Anything added About Crafted Gear On this channel and Pinned ?
Any updates will be posted there
Or in #updates-midnight
main walrus
Or embellishment b is underpowered and they buff it now that they have live raid...
yeah or that! but it would sure to affect things, us delaying the craft
main walrus
even because, people who rush embelishments wouldn't give the best accurate data as the ones waiting for the best ones are the ones going through talents and rotation proparly to give numbers that are worht studying, i'm just thinking too much about never mind me @_@
wooden widget
if i craft bracers rn, i can probs just swap elemental lens for a dawnthread right?
mellow quartz
Ok So I Save my Spark
Why are you capitalizing every word?
wooden widget
im just wasting my own money
cinder nova
Is it worth bothering to get full proff gear for the 10 extra ilvl before season 1?
chilly brook
To Next week
I Like The Way You Text
cinder nova
And is it wise to use your weathered crests at all?
chilly brook
Is it worth bothering to get full proff gear for the 10 extra ilvl before season...
Depends but honestly I don’t think it’s really much of a difference
You’re gonna be able to farm the ilvl this week
cinder nova
And what about weathered crests, is it safe to just burn them on weapons/shield/etc?
ember token
burn all weathered crests as much as you want
mellow quartz
You have essentially no use for weathered crests starting next reset
pallid quiver
but what if i cap out at doing normal dungeons
tribal wharf
you stop using them at 593 > 596
tribal wharf
its good for fury too i would say
graceful kite
it really isnt
tribal wharf
is it not? i havent fully tried out the dps specs
lofty warren
YEes
proud dock
guys i have a problem. im addicted to prot warr. no other tank is as fun. which doctor do i go to?
remote tusk
Which gems turn Lens embellishment into Nature damage?
remote tusk
guys i have a problem. im addicted to prot warr. no other tank is as fun. whi...
The only cure is to play.
proud dock
🙏🏾
hasty zephyr
any good? has anyone tested?
lusty grotto
sims are your tests
just equip it it if its higher ilvl, those will be replaced soon enough anyway
hardy snow
with my luck to trinkets I guess I'll be running with adventurer track Sacbrood until november
hasty zephyr
you can just spam the first boss still, no penalty
lusty grotto
no im not a dick
hardy snow
well, I didn't get mine directly as well, guildmate traded it for me 😄
lusty grotto
its pointless to spam it anyway, shit will get hard replaced
youre just making other people have a bad time
fucking rude af
i did get a tome yesterday running with kanga on, my bdk?
so thats cool i guess
glass spear
does defensive stance still reduce damage done?
urban steeple
new to warrior - in m+ should we @player our spear like we do with ravager?
chilly brook
Up to you
lusty grotto
probably not
chilly brook
Works fine
lusty grotto
youll miss your targets
chilly brook
We did it in SL
lusty grotto
@cursor is better
this aint SL spear
you dont have to stand on it
optimally you want to land it on ALL your targets
and centering on your char can lead to it missing mobs
urban steeple
optimally you want to land it on ALL your targets
gotcha
lusty grotto
ultimately do whatever feels better for you, but note that normal targetting or cursor is a bit better for M+ and dungeons
chilly brook
Yeah that’s probably true
But I also don’t think it’ll make too big of a difference with limited pull size once m+ starts
lusty grotto
i guess thats a good point
chilly brook
Currently heroics might be a different story though
urban steeple
yeah we're not gonna be doing crazy pulls
lusty grotto
but just better to get used to one
chilly brook
I started doing at player after the 3rd time spear went into some fuck off place in SL dungeons with all the crazy camera fuckery
lusty grotto
the point is if you miss mobs with spear they dont get the might debuff
it wasnt an issue in SL or up to TWW prepatch because it was just a buff on you while standing in it
not a debuff on mobs
wise egret
Are you guys dealing more dmg with spear than roar right now? i feel like roar is superior for me
wise egret
yea im collosal, probably thats why 😄
wise egret
thx bud 🙂
