brother im not being pissy
#protection
stone wing
????
lusty grotto
youre calling me out
so
im not doing the same to you
im just answering whatever question you have
stone wing
im just blocking and waiting for someone that knows how to read tooltips to answer thanks
bronze pasture
im just blocking and waiting for someone that knows how to read tooltips to answ...
I can test when I come home in 7 hours π€£
lusty grotto
i just dont understand how someone would think im ranting
because i dont see shit their way
its fucking wild
violet ginkgo
Copium is too addicting, I can't stop consuming it 
lusty grotto
this #protection message
#protection message this specifically
if i had to guess i guess he wants the specific amount of strength
finite burrow
Maybe this is an stupid question but do we have like a pre bis item list? I'm alting with a prot warrior and want to upgrade efficiently my items, my conclusion reading both guides is just upgrade whatever gives me haste + crit offensively or haste + vers defensively.
lusty grotto
i dont even know anymore lol
lusty grotto
Maybe this is an stupid question but do we have like a pre bis item list? I'm al...
not atm
just ilvl > all
for now
if anything ilvl > haste > all
finite burrow
just ilvl > all
so whatever heroic item I have with haste just pump it to 593?
lusty grotto
you can sim 5-target patchwerk droptimizer on dungeons to get a better list
1 min or 1.5 mins
on those sims
finite burrow
I'll take a look to that anyways, thx
stone wing
It's like 1-1.5% extra str iirc.
thank you, that was the kind of answer I was looking for
much appreciated
ionic fern
bronze pasture
Which is kinda insignificant.
thats over 5000 STR, significant enough for me! ;O
lusty grotto
thats the spirit
bronze pasture
nevermind, it's over 500 -_-
violet ginkgo
it's over 9000!! XD jk
lusty grotto
that was an emotional rollercoaster
bronze pasture
still, better than a food buff
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
ember token
Thunderous Roar Roar explosively, dealing (250.56% of Attack power) Physical damage to enemies within 12 yds and cause them to bleed for (250.56% of Attack power) physical damage over 8 sec. Deals reduced damage beyond 8 targets.
Do i see this correctly or not? Only two changes found for prot in 11.0.5 so far...
ionic fern
Wasn't that under Fury? π
lusty grotto
did archi miss that change in #updates-midnight ?
oh
nvm he didnt miss it
its a tooltip change
anyway he put it in there
lusty grotto
also the tooltip change is in live
for that one
which is funny
no idea if its 10% or not though, but the tooltip change went through
anyway 
ember token
Wasn't that under Fury? π
Says in general and fury is marked only for first change
orchid laurel
probably a dumb question. coming back to tanking however, do we use battle stance as our "normal" and defensive when anticipating bit hits?
jagged pier
yes
except u shouldnt be anticipating big hits, as prot you should know when they are coming
and if u need d stance for them at all
ionic fern
Says in general and fury is marked only for first change
Tooltip regardless.
ember token
I would rather stop Blizz putting me into one each time
viral idol
@yin here were my stat changes from my race change
jagged pier
u spec into itf?
viral idol
yeah
jagged pier
right so the extra 2% haste is cause u have a stack of it
and the extra crit is dwarf racial
shy python
And what about the extra str?
viral idol
yeah the crit was from the racial food buff. it was the default one that came on when i changed
stone wing
And what about the extra str?
strength is coming from the interaction between earthen racial and armored to the teeth talent
stone wing
@yin here were my stat changes from my race change
appreciate you good sir
shy python
Oh nice
viral idol
no problem i had the same questions when i was going to race change so deicded to SS and find out
also if anyone is interested i compiled a list of haste gear that is available in heroics right now. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19zS66UkeqYtk0CsP7xazC2wFanQTG1yoBLV1DwHKikU/edit?usp=sharing
stone wing
or now is your opportunity to get a monopoly on the shield crafting market
shy python
u guys have issues finding a shield crafter?
Dont craft a shield, save your money
rigid hull
Dont craft a shield, save your money
no shield for m0?
shy python
no shield for m0?
No need.
Just upgrade one to 590
bronze pasture
u guys have issues finding a shield crafter?
I had issues, so I just rolled BS, only spent about 20k to get it to 65+armor smithing and crafted myself 590 pants and shield π
probably less than the cost of fees for crafters
rigid hull
about clap and ss prio @lusty grotto
ss procing blast made me think
do i prio tclap at all?
even like +6 targets
cuz if if im not slamming more
im not procing blast
jagged pier
look at it like this
if u dont have blast
ready
to go
off gcd
those mobs are still mostly likely to be alive next gcd to
so even if TC on its own does more damge on 5+ targets
u still gunna get that damage if u SS first
just theres a 30% that, the TC will be a TB and do even more
plus its more rage gen over all which means more avatarts over all
which means more damage overall
cause more avatars is more TBs
etc etc and cycle continues
ionic fern
π
You still clap.
proper roost
shield slam is not prio if you need to stormbolt/shockwave/fear like right now
that is the instance you would not shield slam when it's up, and even then, unless the thing you're trying to stop is really urgent, you're still weighing the rage vs not
ionic fern
I think they were talking about the rotation in general.
rigid hull
π
You still clap.
dont have it in my bar its over
proper roost
But 99% of the time it's better to get better habits and just try to maximize rage income total
proper roost
once you can do your rotation like pretty blind, that sets you up really well for haywire stuff happening in keys or adapting for stops
rigid hull
do u track "seeing red" @ionic fern
ionic fern
No.
sweet summit
you're not minmaxing by using revenge! procs to go from 7 stacks to VO? smh
ionic fern
I'm too washed out to minmax.
rigid hull
so its not bad to track it xd
rigid hull
you're not minmaxing by using revenge! procs to go from 7 stacks to VO? smh
what u mean by vo
sweet summit
that's illegal
sweet summit
true
rigid hull
missing out on 200% tblast damage is cringe
jagged pier
well if its 1 target u want to SS
sweet summit
also am i insane or did they buff ss resets
jagged pier
what u mean?
sweet summit
i feel like i get way more resets now compared to df
jagged pier
haave u read your thane talents?
sweet summit
nop
jagged pier
well one of them gives u 2 free resets of ss
sweet summit
YOOOO
rigid hull
sweet summit
holy moly
sweet summit
rigid hull
BONK BONK BONK
sweet summit
sorry jakey.. i'll do better next time LOL
jagged pier
sweet summit
unreal
proper roost
real nimchip hours
bronze pasture
thats not a bad mog, a nice simple zug zuger
rigid hull
thats not a bad mog, a nice simple zug zuger
u know ball
so
do i spend my weathered crests?
or save them
jagged pier
they are useless next week
jagged pier
yes
jagged pier
yer
jagged pier
u should pay attention to what crests u are spending
no
uve spent the extra ones
we got
jagged pier
jagged pier
but questing stops on wednesday
crimson furnace
π―
jagged pier
literally cringe to do a quest after reset
bronze pasture
whats the first thing you guys are gonna do next reset when you log on? join nm/hc raid? grind bountiful delves or m0? π
jagged pier
go to work because it wednesday
bronze pasture
and when you get home and log in?
jagged pier
raid probably because ill log on just before raid time
bronze pasture
i'll probably try to quickly clear normal raid, then do the delves+m0 for any missing slots, then focus on hc raid π
ionic fern
What's a bountiful delve?
Once i log in, i'll probably do 2 m0 dungeons and then /afk until raid.
jagged pier
deleves tier 8 drop 603 gear with the coffer keys u should have
so u want to do them
jagged pier
sure
tawdry fjord
To bad theres no catch up mechanic regarding keys.
My alts that i was slow to level have few keys
potent turtle
Hi all, trying prot and is awesome! I'm trying to make a macro that use shield charge and if is on CD use the normale charge , actually i use
/cast shield charge
/cast charge
The macro is ok but when i use shield charge use also 1 charge of the normale spell
Anyone can help me?
violet ginkgo
whats the first thing you guys are gonna do next reset when you log on? join nm/...
I'll try some raid finder first, surely will be easy to find party and hopefully some quick gear, if not then the valorstone is always welcomed.
jagged pier
that macro is never going to work like that
and u should have that macro anyway
as SC is not used to charge into packs
its used in completely difference instances so it should be on its own seperate bind
urban portal
If shield charge didnβt charge it would not change the function of the spell at all
potent turtle
Why sc is not used to go into pack? Do aoe and build rage, where's the error?
urban portal
If you shield charge to get into a pack itβs like you lost the rage from regular charge
jagged pier
charge already give u rage so not using it is loosing rage over all
it is a dps buton so u want to use it after avatar and demo shout /
OR it is a stun
so u save if for when u need to stun a target
/ u use it for SB uptime
none of those instance are for charging into a pack
bronze pasture
I'll try some raid finder first, surely will be easy to find party and hopefully...
that was my plan too, but unfortunately my gear is too good already for any benefit from LFR ;[
violet ginkgo
I think the better macro will be something like if you press R it will be shield charge but if you press Shift+R it become charge.
or just put separate like Jakey said.
bronze pasture
i just took wednesday off so I can join normal raids immediately after jumping outta bed!!!!!
the idea of starting in the afternoon was unbearable
potent turtle
Ok all clear ty
halcyon sinew
Why is spear preferred to roar for MT?
remote tusk
Slacking.
jagged pier
Why is spear preferred to roar for MT?
because its more damage
remote tusk
Why is spear preferred to roar for MT?
I'm going to guess because you don't have Tier set anymore (that synergized with Roar), and its why we favor Crit a bit more (Extra Crit Damage to enemies affected by Spear.)
Its fine to play Roar if you prefer it though.
You can even play both if you really want
urban portal
Do not play both
Itβs a lot of dps loss to play both
Except in heroic dings where you one shot the pack
remote tusk
I never said it was optimal, I only said if you want to you can.
pale rock
Is Prot still easy to use?
violet ginkgo
I mean nothing really change from DF
blazing condor
so yes
thin glade
none of those instance are for charging into a pack
Charge is on its own global isn't it? You can charge then immediately SC. I used to do that on the first pull in "higher" m+ keys to make sure I get mitigation fully up and running asap. Maybe suboptimal in terms of max output and you lose a stop for a bit, but it prevents a flop for me
bronze pasture
were you able to SC on every pull?
violet ginkgo
No. I mean too much factor if the team kill the adds fast/slow
urban portal
Charge is on its own global isn't it? You can charge then immediately SC. I used...
Plenty of other things like rav and demo shout and such to make rage
lofty warren
is there any benefit to doing the campaign quest champters?
violet ginkgo
We talking when you already clear it on main right?
if you already clear at main then guess no benefit except some few gold
fluid pasture
is there any benefit to doing the campaign quest champters?
ive heard you need to complete campaign to do higher delves
dunno if this is true, but itβs been said somewhere
violet ginkgo
I mean as a main just clear everything, grab all the reps
blazing condor
its been like that for a while
lucid nimbus
Thoughts on dracthyr warrior?
crimson furnace
??
lucid nimbus
Dracthyr is getting warrior class
crimson furnace
what?? really??
lucid nimbus
blazing condor
I always felt that im top dps as a tank..
theory only gets you so far
most ppl dont know how to play their class
or doesnt optimise for damage as other roles
so you still usually perform well in relation
lucid nimbus
most ppl dont know how to play their class
Pop all cdβs at once and go herp derp? No? π
blazing condor
youd be surprised
lucid nimbus
Probably
Im no hardcore either
My last ratings were 2.8k , 2.6k ish
Not hardcore 3.4k
jagged pier
these numbers are lies
nope math is good
waxen frigate
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-X...
Brewmaster zero dmg dead spec???
jagged pier
thats our highest sim profile used
which nome made
same from the other tanks and their TCs
its accurate information based on best gear etc etc
crimson furnace
cool, thnx man
astral isle
you guys think its worth switching to earthen ?
strong forum
If you like being a bigger unit dwarf yes
If you're looking to have more player power, stay dwarf or go mechagnome
strong forum
sad?
Told y'all
Also this pwar profile is without embellishments
With embellishments pwar goes up to like 880k
That sim is also like 3 or 4 weeks old
jagged gust
nomer sandbagging the sims ftw
strong forum
When I made the sime the note to it clearly says it's without embellishs
Not my fault people just copy paste without context
waxen frigate
brah you have like the best tier set
Zero damage!!!
rigid hull
War players built diffrent ez cla
waxen frigate
I never saw a dh player do good damage in season 4 xd
Because a literal braindead chimpanzee could time title keys on a s4 vdh
waxen frigate
I would see people in like 15s with frailty as one of their top damage abilities
And frailty does fucking zero damage
Err
Not frailty
Whatβs their builder
strong forum
Fracture
bronze pasture
is there a point in some later season when ilvls are higher where we don't need haste on every piece? when does additional haste become less valuable?
north silo
And we really go for the "execute build" for raiding? It reads like we lose quite some important defensive talents.
rigid hull
Which class do u think is the easiest to do damage @strong forum
strong forum
is there a point in some later season when ilvls are higher where we don't need ...
Nah
strong forum
And we really go for the "execute build" for raiding? It reads like we lose quit...
Depends entirely on the boss, your group, your skill and kill times
jagged gust
but tbh that's kinda boring, just 2 stats forever the whole expansion? ;[
and the apm keeps getting higher and higher
strong forum
but tbh that's kinda boring, just 2 stats forever the whole expansion? ;[
Around s3/s4 you will branch out into more vers/mastery offensively but for s1 it's 100% crit/haste all the way with no stopping
waxen frigate
but tbh that's kinda boring, just 2 stats forever the whole expansion? ;[
Vers might gain some degree of traction very late
But not in s1 as nome said
bronze pasture
yeah hero talents and also the S1 tier set
strong forum
The tierset is whack af
It should always proc 4pc
Not when SS crits
And even then it's garbage
north silo
But for mythic raiding (progress). Losing punish and shieldblock uptime feels not good.
strong forum
Who says I'm recommending execute build
north silo
Isn't that the sim, that is compared to other classes?
strong forum
It's just, on paper, a higher dmg output build
No
We're comparing thane punish build
Execute is a parse build
Unless the boss has a very beneficial execute phase
It will come down to how the bosses play out
But for progress ed+punish thane is recommended
You'll see that on the upcoming wowhead s1 raid tips update
I'll try to play colossus tho on most fights cuz I'm a greedy bitch
waxen frigate
Toxic
strong forum
Yes
north silo
Thanks. that was also my thought to go with thane build for progress.
crimson furnace
I'll try to play colossus tho on most fights cuz I'm a greedy bitch
this is why i like you and this is why we both are into W's!!
north silo
just a note. Maybe i did it incorrectly. but in the Ulria Sims (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1exJeu5eVe4bTmyg3WFx5PTxIWvDLi0j-WW-XWpGoG88/htmlview#) for prot warrior, it has mentioned following tree used (https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAOBVUFRFAiEVKSUUBQNVUVEREQlVZVRQCVVEFVVUBE)
crimson furnace
π«‘
raven jewel
I was spamming dungeons last night at level 77 and had my entire group die due to mechanics on a boss fight and it still had over half health. I solod the rest of it.
I love warrior.
crimson furnace
warrior loves you
strong forum
just a note. Maybe i did it incorrectly. but in the Ulria Sims (https://docs.goo...
Idk who those Sims did, but it wasn't me and dropping Ravager for battering ram seems sus af aswell as not playing spellblock
Wait nvm
Spellblock isn't needed on ulria or w/e the name was
That's first boss
First boss colossus was also my initial idea but
sand pebble
who drops rav wtf
strong forum
The intermission has add spawns
And thane has alot more burst aoe dmg
So I will recommend that instead on first boss to pad on adds in intermission
But execute build is probably the go-to on that boss
Assuming that you can get away with it
gray kindle
hey what piece of gear should I craft? Shield or belt?
gray kindle
m+ or m0?
strong forum
M+
If you don't have a guild and won't raid mythic, you can craft shield
But again, I'd wait until after first vault
gray kindle
i wont do mythic raid so shield it is then π
gray kindle
But again, I'd wait until after first vault
leaves more time to farm the tinderbox π
strong forum
Idk what that is but hell yeah
woeful trellis
Uhh I will farm that this we
strong forum
Ah yeah, professions, yeah I don't do that
C - B - A
I play to press buttons and do dmg
Not to play chores
gray kindle
understandable π
mining is a real chore
but there's no m+ nor any raid yet so it's the only thing to do now
lofty warren
Any updated tank tier lists for m+ going into the next week?
sweet summit
hope not
lofty warren
π¦ still torn between pwar bear and vdh
tribal wharf
floor price of 30g per bismuth and i have smithing and engineering helps NOTHING for me i will say about wishing to do professions
lofty warren
Pwar seems the most baseline tanky, bear with biggest cd and survive, vdh with best dps
tribal wharf
then again, marketplace gunna do what a marketplace gunna do
sweet summit
pwar owns do I think that one should win π
tribal wharf
could be double the price bismuth later some reason
lofty warren
Think they are all pretty strong I should just pick what I want
ornate thicket
Im gonna main pwar and have bear backup. Really loving my enh shaman alt though
lofty warren
Bdk seems strong too but I tried it and feel like it has top many buttons
tribal wharf
im half heartedly trying to play mage
its going nowhere
i get on do 1 quest, half a quest, give up, bleh, i think its his gear
was hoping i could LFD the delves, i think i saw that is option on warrior now, duno
simple drum
Is Mastery still our worst stat?
simple drum
Iβm just crafting haste crit gear lol
plush tendon
yea, thats good for crafts
simple drum
Iβm ilvl 587 with like 24% haste
plush tendon
rigid hull
jagged pier
We recommend wowhead and icy veins
outer hearth
Maxrolls made by Echo raid player now no ? so
potent anvil
1.1mil revenge in heroic rookery 
pallid quiver
that alone is not even a good argument; which echo raid player matters in the first place, plus the content in the guide
jagged pier
Yes and AI and basically nome who writes the wowhead guy because like alot of them are palgarized from wowhead and icyveins
pallid quiver
"palgarized"
and i'm paralyzed by jakey smh, his big brain has finally failed him, and he's become a true warrior
jagged pier
No always been dyslexic always will be
plush tendon
speling is for nerds
jagged pier
Me no spell word well
Btw nome doesnt really mind, hes just hapoy the correct info is out there
cerulean tusk
Spell word no need, meaning only matter
outer hearth
that alone is not even a good argument; which echo raid player matters in the fi...
between a guide made on wowhead by an unknown person or a guide made by someone who has HL experience and knows how to prove... difficult...
jagged pier
So we kind of can recommend it because its literally his guide anyway
pallid quiver
between a guide made on wowhead by an unknown person or a guide made by someone ...
That's some ignorant shit
jagged pier
Hl experi3nce in what? Cause none of them have hl exoerience in prot warrior
pallid quiver
Nomeratur, the writer of the Wowhead guide, is one of the main theorycrafters for Protection Warrior, and also raids in Mythic, so
jagged pier
Or the same amount of time on prot warrior as nome
Like all of DF merees took defender aegis
timid venture
So when is prot warrior tier set getting buffed? π
jagged pier
Its not
pallid quiver
There's also a huge difference if they, say, had their top tier DPS ranged caster player write the guide. Sure, they've done some cutting edge raiding,
that's a whole ass different ball game
You can go to so many notable players and see them actively not fully understand other classes even in the same general role
And that's like,
okay and fine
there's a lot to know, and you don't even need to know it all
Even at a world first level
pallid quiver
You didn't read a god damn thing I said
jagged pier
U mean the person who has second most time on prot warrior in the world
Knows all the ins and outs the person andy went too to ask for builds
The person who did more damage and took less damage with 10 less ilvl that warrior in similar hl key levels last expansion
pallid quiver
If you're going to treat people, without even looking into things, as "random player"s, you should also not use any sims, since those are contributed to by "random players"
jagged pier
Yes id listwn to him
pallid quiver
That means raidbots is fake news, ran by nobody
outer hearth
I am not defending maxroll but I find the credibility of the player who writes on maxroll higher than on WoWhead who are undoubtedly players who have never done anything and who simply post guides via their test on a dummy training
pallid quiver
And you also can't trust anything on Warcraftlogs, since that is maintaine by "random players"
aight this guy's a troll, blocked it is
anyhow, jakey feed me, me hungy
grizzled nova
I am not defending maxroll but I find the credibility of the player who writes o...
brother if the guild tag on a guide makes you feel better then by all means use that guide
jagged pier
U cqn take his guide or not but read both im telling the maxroll one is his guide anyway as they copied it
So if u trust it because they put their guikd name on it feel free
Bit befoee you do ask why merees ran bad talents last expansion
And in beta testing like all these HIgh end players
Taking wrong talents and making judgements on things after 2 hours of testing instead of the 80 nome did
Which waant just infront of a training dumby
If your not going to listen to some random person you might as well not even be in this discord and just go get your info from the twitch channel of the streamers you so highly value
grizzled nova
I think most important to keep in mind when looking at high level players is that they're operating on expectations, requirements, and timings in well coordinated groups that you don't have access to, and copy-pasting what they're doing isn't going to yield the same, or even good, results for you and your situation.
versed widget
1.1mil revenge in heroic rookery <:pausechamp:828095529644851290>
do you have a talent built for bis dps?
latent tusk
So they redid a bunch of talents for like every class and added new talents and prot got zero lol is that a good thing or bad thing? π€¨
jagged pier
Depends do u like the spec?
grizzled nova
So they redid a bunch of talents for like every class and added new talents and ...
Prot well designed, doesn't need massive revisions 8 weeks into an expansion.
orchid gulch
It's probably best if they don't touch prot for now.
pallid quiver
So they redid a bunch of talents for like every class and added new talents and ...
The classes that they did touch were in need of adjustments as a whole. Example being Totemic Enhancement, which was actively fighting itself to work on a functional, "can you press the buttons without crippling yourself" level
jagged pier
Its personal opinion i would like them to change it so we get a high ceiling back
Because its poopoo boring right now
tribal wharf
"enhancement" enhancing what exactly? main thing i see them enhancing is with tremor totem and wind fury
pallid quiver
i want them to lower the skill floor even more just so i can be even more depressed when i see people still failing the absolute bare minimum and getting mad hard carried by their healer
latent tusk
Ah I see, Iβm enjoying it a lot but Iβm also way lower skill level than you guys lol
pallid quiver
Since that's become one of my favorite past times while playing my DPS alts. It is not one of my favorite past times while healing, though.
jagged pier
Ah I see, Iβm enjoying it a lot but Iβm also way lower skill level than you guys...
Then be happy
latent tusk
Iβm happy π
tribal wharf
like, if they cant fix enhancement shamans, maybe it really should be tank or aug like support
it seems like they have been busted forever
pallid quiver
I think the spec functions and is well designed, but there's not much room for skill expression once you're used to the spec other than, like, trying to figure out where and how to pad for parsing
potent anvil
do you have a talent built for bis dps?
Uh, I just pick everything that buffs revenge lol
grizzled nova
one day we'll get you back sweet prince
pallid quiver
There'd likely need to be some way to intentionally send rage on pure offense instead of IP which gives both effectively in order for it to have an increased skill ceiling, but that's outside the scope of how they want to run tank rotations.
Which is fine design wise; all the tanks I feel in terms of design work and have a solid foundation, but it can get boring if you're looking to spice things up
grizzled nova
sending IP was effectively offense for fervid, that's what made the set so good
I dunno, I really enjoyed having the fervid loop in the build, I wish they pushed it into core pwar.
lofty warren
one day we'll get you back sweet prince
What this do
grizzled nova
What this do
Rage spenders had a chance (IP had a 90% chance) to give you a buff that made your next shield slam consume your bleeds and do a % of their remaining damage, and reset tclap and cdr'd troar.
df s3/s4 set bonus, I just wanted them to incorporate it into base pwar for the expansion, but it was probably too late in the development cycle for them to figure it out
grizzled nova
how on earth did you do 1.1 m revenges
10 stack tide of battle on a revenge proc during cspear.
lofty warren
can someone pls explain what these 11.0.5 changes mean?
rigid edge
They removing Prot War from the game
tribal wharf
we had it coming
lofty warren
NoΚ»oΚ»Γ²Ε
copper timber
Why is Prot taking Champions Spear over Thunderous Roar as MT for M+?
mellow quartz
Sims better π€·ββοΈ
copper timber
sims are broken then i guess
tribal wharf
from what i'm reading, its already 5% buff to revenge in the game already, but they are swapping it to 10% dmg per stack and half the stacks (5 down from 10)
they just have the incorrect amount listed on the live tooltip
lofty warren
PTR
Too many words. Is it buff or nerf and is it better than thunderclapping all the time
tribal wharf
the same more or less prolly less than or equal to 1% dps
lofty warren
Lol what a waist of time to make such immaterial changes
copper timber
Too many words. Is it buff or nerf and is it better than thunderclapping all the...
MT > Colossus in terms of gameplay fun
tribal wharf
like, it will take less time to reach maximum effect, but it wont change anything if you play the same and correctly for that build
5 revenges ss execute instead of 10
lofty warren
Sorry didn't hear you too busy thunderclapping these chèèks
tribal wharf
someone i was talking to says its supposed to be 5% dmg for up to 10 stacks currently in the game but its showing as 10% dmg up to 10 stack, i think the person i talked to said its oversight
tight ivy
That would be unfortunate, for them to nerf the "less played" spec rn
lofty warren
They shouldn't buff it too much. Thunderclap rotation too good
copper timber
Sims better π€·ββοΈ
Just tested it. Its not just broken. Its sims are unusable atm. Not that with Spear build i do more dmg in 5 minutes vs 5 targtets that the sim suggests (about 10% more). Roar does even more on live than spear. i think this is a clear case of guide writers unable to use there brain and follow sim
tribal wharf
less played is same logic as running a pistol or sniper rifle build in call of duty, it still kills things good even though it clearly has its niche and time and place
tight ivy
I mean Ive been playing Colossus Ive just seen ever quide tell you to go MT
tribal wharf
if you feel you are having a bad time with colossus, i would too invite you to try thane
tight ivy
I dont care for best I go for whats fun I just know its not whats widly regarded as the better one so it would feel bad for it to be nerfed
Ive played both
strong forum
Just tested it. Its not just broken. Its sims are unusable atm. Not that with Sp...
mmmh yes indeed
lofty warren
Just tested it. Its not just broken. Its sims are unusable atm. Not that with Sp...
Should report bug to the parrygod guy so he know it's broken
cinder python
collosus is extremely fun imo
tight ivy
Same
cinder python
demolish is one of the more satisfying buttons to press in the game
strong forum
or its the fact that spear does equal or more dmg as thane because you can spend 1 extra talent point on empowering spear whereas roar you cannot use both talent points as thane
tight ivy
Well see how much it lacks defensively in M+ which is why I saw alot of buids say that is why youd want MT over Colossus
tribal wharf
im not lvl 80 yet but im not sold on either of the frost mage hero talent sets
strong forum
and anecdotal evidence of your performance doesnt mean anything unless youre able to play at a rank 1 dmg output level
tight ivy
and anecdotal evidence of *your* performance doesnt mean anything unless youre a...
Im not sure if this was aimed at me, but I just want to clearify. I think both Hero Talents are great and good but damage reduced on Colossus feels bad imo
lofty warren
How can someone do more damage than the sim? I thought sim has no human lag and perfect rotatiln
strong forum
nah it was at Adrian
copper timber
and anecdotal evidence of *your* performance doesnt mean anything unless youre a...
simc doesnt even have a apl for ttw prot warri
tribal wharf
lets not forget its also still heroics and people are 588 geared and the trash in those heroics fall over dead if we turn in thier general direction
strong forum
How can someone do more damage than the sim? I thought sim has no human lag and ...
only if the sim is incorrect
strong forum
simc doesnt even have a apl for ttw prot warri
does it not? π
strong forum
that aint all what simc has
tight ivy
Thats what I mean. right now I dont feel any different but I know that itll probably change come Tuesday
strong forum
this is just which profiles have been uploaded
and i didnt push any fullbis profile to simc yet
but the APL is full and well working
for months
copper timber
i looked the source
jagged pier
Mans talking to the sim writer like he doesnt know anything 
jagged pier
strong forum
Thats what I mean. right now I dont feel any different but I know that itll prob...
nah you wont feel the change
lofty warren
tight ivy
What you mean? lol
cinder python
unless i'm missing something
lofty warren
I assume that it is confirmed that the spear is better than the other and I shouldn't respec?
strong forum
its still 10 stacks if you talent into everything
its 5 stacks baseline
10 with max talents
tribal wharf
i didnt do that? i thought u have to take it by defualt
strong forum
nah
tribal wharf
not even a choice one top midle
cinder python
i see
lofty warren
Mr pwar genius what is net effect of 11.0.5 changes? Colossus dps buff by 1%? Still pick thunderclapping talents m+?
tribal wharf
hmm i see what you mean now, not an active tree i use
tribal wharf
@strong forum @copper timber
strong forum
Mr pwar genius what is net effect of 11.0.5 changes? Colossus dps buff by 1%? St...
colossus has always resulted in better offensive numbers
so this revenge buff is just a bit funny
but again, this is just datamines
potent anvil
Colossus owns
strong forum
not the full scope of what might be coming
pallid quiver
I think we're getting brigaded by anti-Nome trolls, since not even that long ago there was another leaf who had an axe to grind with the "random player" who wrote the wowhead guide instead of the based Maxroll guide
which would be fucking wild if true
nome's truly made it in the world
lofty warren
Ohh so thunderclaps is only there because of all the IP that can be done?
strong forum
not just that
tribal wharf
angry defensive boys in the video game spec where we generate and spend rage to defend players?
no
never
strong forum
cinder python
collosus haters think we should be "tanky" when we are tanking.
strong forum
you also just take alot less dmg as thane
beyond just the 50%+ increased rage generation
but colossus is just alot of raw fun for when you just wanna do keys when completely overgeared
and do heinous damage
pallid quiver
Feet on the Ground is actually really good; I don't understand why so many people underestimate it
that 8% can get some real good uptime with how often you get to thunder blast
tribal wharf
i''d rather just play thane and shield slam anything and everything to dead
strong forum
yup
topaz compass
Hi I'm new this expansion, so in summary thane for survival, colossus for damage?
strong forum
thane also does looooads of damage
colossus has a bigger potential in aoe
like upwards of 50% type of shit
strong forum
but you will suffer the consequences of not having as much ignore pain
pallid quiver
Comes at the cost of dying and harder performance
strong forum
and thus get your cheeks clapped instead
but if youre overgearing or just really good
you can deal with it just fine
topaz compass
That's dope to know, thanks based god
cinder python
thane for cowards, collosus for champions
strong forum
like vs 4 targets i did ~1mil dps on beta as thane with close to optimal play
as colossus if i went turbo greed and ignored ignore pain
i could do 1.5mil on 4 targets
plush tendon
the important thing to keep in mind is that Thane gives you thunder strike effects which are really cool
but colossus has 5% size
dusky canopy
Ignore ignored ignore pain pained pain
cinder python
my goblino warrior pops off with 5% size
tribal wharf
thane fury is very enjoyable if you have big weapons
lofty warren
What percent weaker defensively is collosus vs thunderclap? That might not be possible to put as percent
strong forum
that is incredibly hard to answer
pallid quiver
Oh, Nome, did you decide to swap to Earthen? If so, have you seen the Earthen skele yet?
tribal wharf
not tried arms
strong forum
you cant quantify defense
dusky canopy
Itβs 3.14% equal
strong forum
unless you built a perfect modle of the encounter in simc
lofty warren
Ehrps?
west silo
but the APL is full and well working
generic->add_action( "revenge,if=target.health>20" ); should be target.health.pct>20, isn't it?
dusky canopy
Wasnβt there a short period of time where a tank sim was a thing
Maybe Iβm making shit up
strong forum
uuuhh its been years since i touched that line
dusky canopy
But I feel like that was a thing briefly a long time ago
strong forum
i dont know if it would have an effect
simc isnt throwing an error
so it must be working
lofty warren
What is wrong with ehrps?
west silo
uuuhh its been years since i touched that line
i tried to change it to target.health.pct and got -0.5% in dps lol
west silo
strong forum
tbf that line is a backup of the backup of the backup
lofty warren
If that line is changing does that mean everything needs to be resimmed?
tight ivy
i wish i could say that
dusky canopy
Doubtful
strong forum
thats an easy task
like legit
doesnt impact anything
just means it uses revenge a handful more times when nothing else can be pressed
pallid quiver
number will just go up, essentially
lofty warren
Keep it broken we don't want blizz to nerf
pallid quiver
Also means that Nome has been sandbagging Prot War to the other TCs smh
strong forum
for my sim its 3k dps less
to put it in
but that could also just be margin of error
lofty warren
If changed to target.health.pct>100 then it won't do the thing and blizz not nerf
west silo
so we don't need revenge at all
strong forum
tribal wharf
only the free ones maybe
strong forum
its sending 22 revenges without pct
and only 18 revenges with pct
sooooooooooOOoOOoo
even though the line is wrong
it turns out to be a gain
west silo
i am not expert in simc, what type of data target.health returns itself?
strong forum
neither am i, i just apply head against keyboard with a bit of logic
but id say health above 20
potent anvil
the numerical health
strong forum
as in, 20 total
yea
xd
so its essentially just "use revenge"
the % usage of revenge is in the line 2 lines above it
probably with a redundancy here or there
but never touch a running system
its working, its fairly accurate and is basically not wasting rage
lofty warren
Want to use execute when percent <= whatever the percent value is
strong forum
this is the condition for execute in ST
whatever other combo i tried returned less dps
70 seemed to do the trick
if anybody has working suggestions feel free to do so
1 grug brain can only do so much 
strong forum
yah
just so people get a rough idea for the whole roar vs spear convo as thane
5min 5 targets
potent anvil
Top sim is spear, I presume?
strong forum
ya
potent anvil
strong forum
5t 2min
(this is with my current character not bis profile)
5t 1.5min
now going for 10t 1min, which should be very close in favour of roar
cuz roar is uncapped-
nvm
even 1min 10t
spear wins
so like
potent anvil
Spear owns
strong forum
yeah
and with 11.0.5 when roar gets softcapped
spear will just be ahead even on 20t
cuz the crit dmg buff isnt reduced
jagged pier
spear wins
'no bro but i feel different about it'
potent anvil
Also, did prot warr always have more health than BDK? Or am I missing enchants or something. My prot warr has 6.8m and BDK has 6.6m. Both at 587 ilvl.
strong forum
enduring alacrity
strong forum
lofty warren
With more targets is roar better than spear rΓ―ght now?
strong forum
i just linked a sim that SHOULD be heavily in favour of roar
but it aint
10t 1min
cuz spear would be on CD for another 30seconds
but youd have 2 roars out
jagged pier
then your sims are wrong
strong forum
and it still does less dmg
jagged pier
strong forum
so yeah id say roar is not better on ultra pulls
ASSUMING
you can hit all targets with spear
which in pulls way north of 10 targets (which almost do not exist outside of necrotic wake first pull) is rather likely
for the intent of threat generation, uproar is the best as 45sec CD on roar is quite nice
but overall performance, as help with threat should not be needed, spear wins hard
especially ST
jagged pier
strong forum
so the choice you have is do less dmg and have more consistent AoE threat (if for some reason?? needed) short roar is better
lofty warren
Reread the wohead and geez execute is so low on list
strong forum
outside of that very specific scenario, unless youre just plain bad, spear is better
its low on the list cuz its an all encompassing list, and if i put it higher people might misunderstand
on sim its the 3rd highest prio
but i also intend, at some point, probably not in the direct near future
to re-do the rotation page
cuz it could be alot cleaner and expansive
it does what its supposed to, but one can always do better
lofty warren
Hmm don't care where it is on the list I'm mainly just looking to know which thing to push when I have more than 1 option
strong forum
for AoE that list holds absolutely true
execute on 4 or less targets
as Colossus its 2 or less
on ST Execute replaces revenge
(GL trying to weave in execute casts as thane- its A LOT to juggle)
colossus unironically alot easier in ST than thane
lofty warren
this means that revenge > execute all the time ? idk maybe i read it wrong
lofty warren
I see your earlier while getting ss
So if 4 or less you should press execute over revenge then wouldn't that mean execute go into #13. Idk it's so far down the list and yes I rarely push execute as thunderclapper
fallen rock
if roar is that close, it might perform better
due to limited aoe range of spear
unless you are strickly los grouping/perfect kicking/dk dps pulling
grizzled acorn
thats exactly how i tend to play and spear is a dream
if its close and you dont care about the dps loss just take roar /shrug
jagged pier
dont know why ppl are so attached to Roar had to go alot of DF with ppl complaing about spear being worse
now u want to use and ppl complain again
last sable
Ppl will always complain. Rule 1 of humanity
proper roost
what people really mean when they're afraid of spear: ooo i'm bad at cursor aiming π₯Ί i don't wanna learn to use my mouse
Weak. You will not survive the coming winter.
vocal flame
Spear is funny when the NPCs try to run away or something and get pulled back.
tribal wharf
neat crow
Imo spear was fun in that wave defence mini event
tribal wharf
electricity, more powerful than you or i
fluid widget
i just explained it
Can you explain now to become a parry god
neat crow
Also some classes kinda want some "static" mobs it seems
My friend bitches playing sentinel hunter all the time
strong forum
Can you explain now to become a parry god
ya so okay get this
you just go up to the boss
dusky canopy
Guys Crit is insane
strong forum
and you just say nah fam
you aint hitting me sorry
29tyr btw
in 1.5min he only successfully meleed me 8 times
just parry bro
proper roost
smh nome having logs from s3 saved up..
strong forum
that last melee there that went through is a 6.8mil pre-mit melee hit
proper roost
smh nerd
strong forum
dont need to label anything
if theyre all on your logs
you think i went to an old screenshot folder?
i just went to wcl and searched manually
dusky canopy
strong forum
jagged pier
blazing condor
jaunty arch
is there a pre raid bis gear list?
strong forum
i think there is on icyveins
jaunty arch
thanks mate!
west silo
so its essentially just "use revenge"
tried to remove revenge condition at all, and got +0.5%
fallen rock
if we want to take cheat death, what drop?
dusky canopy
Cheat death
strong forum
you drop shield charge entirely
and pick up bolster + bsv
cursed AF
plays like ass
but you get BSV
i dont recommend playing BSV ever
its just overkill
for basically no gain as you have to sacrifice too much to get it
fallen rock
that sounds better than me dropping ravager lol
fallen rock
and if we need disrupting shout, do we drop bloodsurge?
strong forum
and if we need disrupting shout, do we drop bloodsurge?
yea
fallen rock
thanks
tribal wharf
bsv you dont have full control over when it goes off
strong forum
its fixed now
tribal wharf
i think is the main take away
strong forum
but still meh
it would be better if it was a TRUE cheat death
not the 30% crap
cuz how often do you dip below 30%
and then be safe
(very)
or (BSV never procs to begin with)
making you lose a Stun, rage generation and block uptime
strong forum
tbf
if its only melee attacks
this talent can and will do alot
if your healer is asleep
you will feel perma panic
but you will just... hover around 30% hp
its not bad at all
fallen rock
but what to drop for it
vocal flame
Is everyone going into next week at 580+ or am I the only one that isn't?
fallen rock
bounding/intim shout/rally/3% leech?
honest marlin
Is everyone going into next week at 580+ or am I the only one that isn't?
I'm level 70 on my warrior if that makes you feel any better.
Just now starting to level, lol.
vocal flame
I'm level 70 on my warrior if that makes you feel any better.
haha, seems odd to use all the crests to max out gear that will be replaced quickly
violet ginkgo
Is everyone going into next week at 580+ or am I the only one that isn't?
I mean some of us currently already 580+, well not too much + though only like 584/585
tribal wharf
does prot paladin have like no buttons or somethin?
dusky canopy
69 buttons
tribal wharf
more like 9 buttons
vocal flame
I mean some of us currently already 580+, well not too much + though only like 5...
I have the crests and stuff to get there but its not a waste going that high for 0s?
tribal wharf
uh what, so its bad? i dont understand, i could populate everyhing i need on protpala in 2 bars
waxen frigate
does prot paladin have like no buttons or somethin?
?
mighty valley
has anyone tested what the maximum is on this? i'm guessing not since it's..... impractical to be chilling at like 10% for extended periods
fallen rock
good question
tribal wharf
bubble is calling me
vocal flame
you re rolled yogi?
honest marlin
Is delve leveling viable for alts?
lofty warren
Cheat death sounds nice if I can give up something I don't really use even though I should like intervene
mellow quartz
why don't they just make BSV good ever
Itβs not terrible. The main issue with BSV is you essentially lack a talent point to take it.
jagged pier
Will tier 8 delves likely be soloable tuesdayv
probably yer
lone eagle
Trying to decide on my raid tank vs my M+ tank
Pwar feels amazing in just about every aspect although we have good warr coverage for raid. How are tanks comparing in ST vs cleave right now? Bear seems nuts, but my Pwar seems to be pretty consistently outsimming my Brew in ST which was surprising
I know the Brew APL isn't quite done yet
Was originally thinking Brew for raid and Pwar for M+, but kind of just considering Pwar for both now
jagged pier
play which ever u enjoy most
icy flax
north silo
There will be enough balance patches, that every answer will be like gambling
if you need something usefull: go for utility. For raids often a bdk or a pala.
remote tusk
Holy.. Demolish hits hard π
mighty valley
yeah... thane is fast and smooth and has great rage gen
but i don't get to see Two Million Damage on the screen as much
remote tusk
3.6M Crit xd
lone eagle
Problem is I enjoy all tanks haha.
Looking for a month 3 CE and M+ title, so kind of leaning Pwar although bear DPS seems egregious right now
- pwar doesn't seem to have a cantrip weapon option unless I'm missing something
lofty warren
Is it worth leveling bran through delves now or just yolo it up to 8 when it opens up?
lone eagle
It honestly doesn't take that long
lone eagle
Is it worth leveling bran through delves now or just yolo it up to 8 when it ope...
Keep in Bran exp is shared
So I honestly just cranked through bountiful delves on my alts I didn't care about for mog in the process of completing my god Pwar mog
lofty warren
Yea but the rewards now are low and if not needed then I won't do xd
tender cove
don't even populate half my bars and everythings there :S
cleanse toxins, hero talent, blinding light/repent but yeh its a lot less.