check wowhead macros area some nice macros for both
#protection
toxic pewter
proper roost
I think I used to think apb and yogi were the same person
they're a lot more similar than either of them would admit, I think
toxic pewter
Lol
mighty valley
very different flavors
toxic pewter
we do play on the same server
but we are not much alike tbh
he likes doom.. I was always a wolfenstein man myself
wintry nymph
m+, colossus or thane?
fallow nova
thane if you're pushing, colossus if you want to do damage and nothing is hurting you much
wintry nymph
okido
fallow nova
overall, thane is better suited to dungeons
wintry nymph
so raid goes colossus i assume?
fallow nova
raid can do either, to be honest
wintry nymph
okido
toxic pewter
who here race swapping to dracthyr
fallow nova
nah
stoic pilot
drac would be cool if i didn’t just go earthen
toxic pewter
are their racials any good for tanking
strong blaze
Anyone who changed to earthen, you eating the food buff gem for Stam or Haste?
stoic pilot
haste
toxic pewter
if i was earthen I would prob do haste
strong blaze
👍
stoic pilot
eat an emerald and call it a day till they hotfix buff it and make it stronger
then eat a 2nd emerald probably
toxic pewter
the buffs gonna be prob cool
fallen rock
how long until they give up on drak and let aug be other races
strong blaze
eat an emerald and call it a day till they hotfix buff it and make it stronger
ah the buff not come in yet?
stoic pilot
i would assume they’ll probably just let you perma toggle visage before doing that sho
strong blaze
also the buff disappears when you die but then comes back if you relog 😂
stoic pilot
ah the buff not come in yet?
nah i don’t think so? at least
tribal wharf
still thinking about making my paladin be earthen
faster mounted speed
faster mining and whatever second gathering profesion is
stoic pilot
earthen gets 2% finesse
toxic pewter
yah even fish and skinning stuff too
actually pretty nice
my main gripe is their racial azerite surge.. I am not a fan of that one
tribal wharf
there is secret alliance tech between having mecha gnome (always on armyknife of professiion tables for all classes), kultiran (+ to all skills) / dark iron (faster production profession)
just have your tank or healer friend be mechagnome and then gg
toxic pewter
wait does mechangnome table racial actually work for doing workorders also
like can you see work orders
proper roost
if someone told me apb and yogi were twin brothers I would believe them so fast
toxic pewter
lol
tribal wharf
i doubt that, i'd have to double check, things like normal smithing/alching YES 100%
toxic pewter
if you happen to check let me know
cuz if it worked that way, that is actually sweet
toxic pewter
ah yeah prob not
toxic pewter
interesting
cursive leaf
hey, method.gg indicate this shield for our BIS : Reactive Webbed Escutcheon
but cant find the source
anyone know something about it?
wraith dagger
i wish i did
says drops from raid maybe a boe? cause none of the bosses seem to have it
wraith dagger
yeah i wish i got it from mailbox lol
tribal wharf
someone in comments claims they got it and they dont know how lmao
echo bought it for 300m gold day one
cursive leaf
what? 😄
wraith dagger
that is crazy
cursive leaf
how are they was able to buy it when - based on rumors - ppl got it from mailbox?
it was boe????
nimble root
are there tank raid dps sims out? I can only find them for dps
lusty grotto
hey, method.gg indicate this shield for our BIS : Reactive Webbed Escutcheon
its not
its not a good shield
no secondaries and no stam
world boe
absolutely not worth it
lusty grotto
are there tank raid dps sims out? I can only find them for dps
yes
as long as you click latest in raidbots
if you mean a comparison, 🤷
sim all the tanks or something lol
tribal wharf
it was boe????
im trolling on that, theres only 2 comments on the item on wowhead and niether of them have any clue where it came from besides "the mail box'
lusty grotto
man its been a while since someone mentioned method guides, i would have thought that meme died out when Sco recommended Indom over bolster
back in BFA
guess the meme is alive and well
its weird how the wowhead one still doesnt have block value but the in-game one does
guessing its due to nobody with the wowhead client seeing it or something
mighty valley
are there any good sites with the domain dot gg
mighty valley
yeah it just always seems to be people who are like "hey a website that trawls data and presents things as facts with no methodology called wowpwners.gg told me this talent is bis, is this true chat"
lusty grotto
well youre not wrong lol
waxen frigate
Ironically, when discord did use .gg it was good
waxen frigate
yeah it just always seems to be people who are like "hey a website that trawls d...
Wowpwners.gg is a sick name
I’d use that site
mighty valley
let's build it
lusty grotto
i guess the real question is
what goes through someones head when they skip wowhead, icyveins, even maxroll (ive been told the chatgpt shit was fixed) and go to method.gg
im guessing they were desperate for a preseason "bis list" or something
waxen frigate
what goes through someones head when they skip wowhead, icyveins, even maxroll (...
Method is the least controversial and most trustworthy organization in WoW wdym
pallid quiver
And it's Method
They're real gamers and real pros. Not some no names like thise No Me Rater guy or whatever
They could never be wrong about anything whatsoever, because they're good at the game
mighty valley
the actual guide sections aren't saying anything wildly wrong, it's just laid out more confusingly than the others
and the site itself looks like ass with no good formatting options
mighty valley
yeah that's a very weird choice lol
mellow quartz
They just prioritize getting the spear damage without the crit damage so you can get 2 points in the stamina node
violet ginkgo
sadly they don't put the spec tree version of that, Their M+ build actually take the 5% magic damage reduction talent when you are in D-Stance.
dark plover
I mean it depends, in some content you might not get good use of spear. Just because its better by sims doesnt mean its better in real content.
pallid quiver
to be fair, they are good players
being a good player don't mean you're smart or know game theory, let alone be able to teach it
I can attest for that with how dumb a lot of high end fight game people are like
mellow quartz
sadly they don't put the spec tree version of that, Their M+ build actually take...
If you play MT the revenge node is maybe 0.5-1% damage. So that vs 6% DR to magic.
What is your use case? If you are in battle stance all the time and not at risk of dying then sure go ahead. If not then it’s not a crazy pick 🤷♂️
toxic pewter
WHY SERVERS NOT UP ITS 1 MIN PAST THE TIME THEY SAY WOULD BE UP
wraith dagger
They extended another hour
urban bane
danwarr does the dps stuff warrior stuff method i thought. he's a good lad.
lusty grotto
good to know
yet the prot guide suggesting a shield that has a 2 min cd absorb for half of any of the 2 DF S4 defensive trinkets at a similar ilvl...
with no stam or secondaries
and putting it as "bis"
when its a world drop that doesnt go past a certain ilvl... which means the shield is absolutely smaller than what a 610 would have
i dont know man
kinda wild
again similar to Sco recommending Indom over Bolster in BFA
its out of touch
limpid plaza
Hey you guys runninn mountain dude or colosus?
urban bane
yeah i dont know nate at all. what i saw he ran for talents on beta was pretty fried
mighty valley
i'm running colossus til the game screams at me to stop
urban bane
so that kinda checks out he'd recommend something a little off-kilter
Not a little, very
fallow nova
Looks like maintenance has been extended to approximately the year 2027
They'll just announce it one hour at a time lol
dusky canopy
Hey you guys runninn mountain dude or colosus?
No we’re running a train
tribal wharf
99% not taking earthen for my warrior
tender cove
My adoption ❤️
strong forum
tender cove
I dont even like cats but she love me
dusky canopy
Nice kat
strong forum
You'll like dog in about 4 weeks
Until then it'll be quite stressful
Then it'll have been the best decision of your life
Trust
proper roost
Aw what happened to her other ear
tender cove
just bad picture
zenith scaffold
you guys think they will buf Beledars Bulwark or will it just stay useless?
tender cove
she bite when i stop pets lol
sweet summit
why the hell do i log on as d stance
jagged pier
cause thats what happens now
sweet summit
😭
nocturne spindle
tender cove
cats are so weird animals lol. Took over a month to even come close for pets (outdoor cat that lives on the property). And now, everytime after work, doesnt really matter when long as its after 22.00, she comes, demands pets for 10 minutes and then just walks away. If i see her during day time? she wont even acknowledge i exist...
But really, anyway to make her lose less hair? its like i bathed in hair after she sits lap
I never have cat before, only dogs.
tender cove
ohh, thats rough 😦
tender cove
you can brush them forever and they'll still be shedding
5 minutes pet lol
toxic pewter
SERVERS R UP
lusty grotto
you guys think they will buf Beledars Bulwark or will it just stay useless?
we dont know, but as it stands its not that good
proper roost
SERVERS R UP
and yet here you are nerd
toxic pewter
time to go around doin world pvp
lusty grotto
i believe it
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
toxic pewter
wait what silithus skip
lusty grotto
the alt skip
it was broken
quest disappeared, jaina and thrall disappeared, you had to do either relogging in front of jaina/thrall and turn in fast or... do the phasing thing to get through it
broken since tuesday i mean
anyway its fixed
chilly brook
@proper roost gulp
proper roost
did they ever figure out how to unfuck augs and their raids on parrses
or are parses just forever (even more) fucked up
chilly brook
By zskarn I was literally like “fuck this spec” and did the rest in dev. Too bad the group never killed neltharion
The only way I ever touch it again is if it becomes a tank spec (or if there’s an opening in my irl friends raid group just so I can play with him)
The most frustrating thing was how much your parses were tied to other people’s performance ngl
lusty grotto
same as BRD/DNC
covert nova
Servers are up, I got in.
lusty grotto
we know
chilly brook
same as BRD/DNC
At least in that game there’s a metric to click to show your individual performance
toxic pewter
wat u guys think of tier 2 being redone
vocal flame
wat u guys think of tier 2 being redone
I like it and the events look awesome
round pendant
yeah it's good but I still prefer the originals cause I'm a boomer
toxic pewter
I kinda wish they would redo tier 1 might set
rain light
yes
lusty grotto
yes
lusty grotto
correct
edgy bone
Ok ty
fading girder
Anyone here know the procc for trinket "cinderbrew stein" and also; in raid if it only buffs your group?
fading girder
so i expect to it only buff your group during raids?
fading girder
i can see the wowhead, but was curious if anyone had looked at the actually stats in dungeon
lusty grotto
wowhead has the proc rate
thats why i linked it
you asked for the "proc", so i assumed you meant that
fading girder
yeah, i just don't always trust wowhead tbh
fading girder
this trinket is not even on the tier list as a tank trinket, but i just got to know that all the major guilds have been farming this trinket
lusty grotto
all the major guilds will farm anything and everything
lusty grotto
so if any of these items poses a boon to them, they will have it ready
its a 90k something shield, its not that big
for your teammates
2k primary is probably more significant
fading girder
the stats
lusty grotto
403k is also laughable
the trinket also provides no primary or secondary
if youre gonna wear it, its so you provide 2k stats to someone else
thats about it
imo, its dogshit
proper roost
🙈 the classic
lusty grotto
i had to drop it lol
proper roost
"top player has 20 more haste than me this is why they are way better"
lusty grotto
well i hope wowhead doesnt say "its dogshit"
but if they do, then sure
cause i agree with it
there's no trying out, the numbers are there plain as day
fading girder
but you haven't even given me numbers?
proper roost
Stupid globers just believe what they're told
fading girder
total stats during a dungeon is what i'm looking for
lusty grotto
well let us know what you find out, i look forward to it
fading girder
that is why i was asking, to see if anyone had tried
proper roost
isn't a single IP cast like several hundred k in TWW
fading girder
jesus
proper roost
lol
lusty grotto
i do hope someone comes in to chime in on their heroic dungeon numbers
surely
it will let us know how good or bad this trinket is
lusty grotto
because the stats or the proc rate doesnt say anything
how long do heroic dungeons last? 15 mins?
2ppm
so like what
7 procs?
7 times 2k = 14k throughout?
does that sound about right to you Kanga?
fading girder
plus the 50% procs happening every min if you get lower than 50%
proper roost
lol
fading girder
depending on your pulls
we usually pull everything up to the bosses when we can
but honestly, it looks like you guys aren't in trying things out, so i get that, you only want to have the information handed to you
lusty grotto
ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery
proper roost
but honestly, it looks like you guys aren't in trying things out, so i get that,...
uhhh
arent u literally
fading girder
things are going to be changed during the next few weeks
true lake
any1 giving mastery a try at all ?
lusty grotto
things are going to be changed during the next few weeks
then why ask now
fading girder
this is the first time i have asked in this discord
lusty grotto
any1 giving mastery a try at all ?
some mastery is always good
proper roost
You just literally cannot say "you guys hate testing and just want info handed to you"
when you are literally
doing that exact thing
lusty grotto
but we dont hard focus any stat outside of ilvl and haste
fading girder
and it is nice to see if other had tried it to get multiple result
we had experience with that on the kara trinket
true lake
as im sitting at 20% mast i kinda like it
fading girder
i have it
proper roost
Ok then go test it lmao
lusty grotto
make sure you log
proper roost
That's even more hypocritical
lusty grotto
so we see the results
fading girder
to have just one person test?
lusty grotto
and post here
fading girder
that is the worst
proper roost
nah I trust you
lusty grotto
do you think other people will have a different result?
proper roost
I would trust myself if I had this trinket
and it was noticeably op (the comments seem to say it's actually really good)
the value based on the comments would be noticeably op
Aren't you also bitching and arguing because "every major guild is farming it"
That must mean you already know your answer
Why are you begging for info here instead of testing yourself
Sounds a bit lazy to me no?
Bit hypocritical?
fading girder
yeah, but i also wanted to hear if other people had tried it
lusty grotto
ok but have you tested it?
and do you have logs?
so we can all see if its good or not?
fading girder
i don't have logs no?
lusty grotto
ok so have you tested it and have some sort of proof about its througput?
proper roost
👍
lusty grotto
outside of logs?
fading girder
it did do 48% of absorbion during one dungeon
but that is all, i am going to do more, but i also wanted to hear
lusty grotto
im asking because you said "testing" was more important than calculating average values based on PPM and heroic dungeon duration
ah i see
fading girder
uptime seemed a bit bugged
lusty grotto
do you have it recorded somewhere
fading girder
but i can't say for sure
lusty grotto
where we can see instead of just mentioning it?
fading girder
that why i wanted to ask if other had tried it
and also, i was wondering if the buff shows up on the others damage details
lusty grotto
last heroic i did, i did 4m dps and we completed it in 6 mins
fading girder
if it has the same buffname
lusty grotto
see where im going with this?
fading girder
it is obvious this isn't interesting for you
lusty grotto
also im a doctor, layer, veterinarian and nuclear physicist in RL
fading girder
so i will leave you alone
lusty grotto
no, it is interesting
fading girder
obviously not
fading girder
keep on it with your life
lusty grotto
especially when you implied i was copy pasting wowhead
when i said it was
dogshit
you have a chance to prove me wrong
if only you test it while logging
isnt that something?
not only prove me wrong, but also Kanga
so thats 2 birds with 1 stone
sterile bough
does any1 know why this trinket is tragic on prot warrior yet very good on fury and arms? if it gives good FLAT damage to them it should be even better for prot no?
proper roost
Huh
I think the stein is actually good probably
But idk why numerically, the tooltip / procrate that's written on wowhead is probably just wrong
lusty grotto
why would you say its tragic
sterile bough
would think so as well but ...
proper roost
Sorry, I was not talking about your item pvebot
sterile bough
oh :D
sterile bough
is dawnbreaker in s1 dungeon tho?
proper roost
I just don't think it's far fetched at all that the sim is not fully accurate for all trinkets yet (going back to the stein)
yes, it is
sterile bough
nah
lusty grotto
oh
sterile bough
wondering if I should farm it
proper roost
🤨
proper roost
yeah I mean I think they're almost certainly wrong
lusty grotto
proper roost
it is insanely common for wowhead tooltip stuff to be wrong about fairly new trinkets
lusty grotto
yeah thats true
proper roost
and have wrong spelldata somehow or maybe even bugged ingame
I don't know why you'd be so opposed to this idea it's very common for that kind of thing
proper roost
Ruby Whelp Shell literally had this reckoning in DF S1
where everyone thought it was dog for the first few weeks
lusty grotto
ok but im not against the idea, i just agreed with you
proper roost
Does delve loot table not have a trinket
seems kind of weird to obsess about farming a 571 trinket right now when bountiful delves 8 open in a week and you have like, 16 keys
real fossil
seems kind of weird to obsess about farming a 571 trinket right now when bountif...
There is a weekly limit to bountiful delve keys?
lusty grotto
yes 4
proper roost
You can get like 1-2 more kinda but it's a pain in the ass
they're technically uncapped if you really degen it i think
but realistically it's like 4
lusty grotto
youre talking about fragments yea?
proper roost
yeah
real fossil
Is that you can gain 4 keys in a week, or you can CONSUME 4 keys in a week
proper roost
i think you can only consume like 4 a day or something
there's only so many bountiful delves up at a time and they go away when finish one
but you can save your keys however long
real fossil
So you don’t want to miss a bountiful delve when it’s up huh that’s good to know
I’ve all but ignored it so I don’t know the cadence
cerulean musk
Does anyone else keybind trinkets to Avatar even though the cooldown is longer 30 seconds longer? I just don't know where else to put it too many buttons!
lusty grotto
Does anyone else keybind trinkets to Avatar even though the cooldown is longer 3...
i dont
proper roost
i mean you can't go to tier 8 delves rn so missing one or not isn't important
right now
lusty grotto
but im sure youre not alone
proper roost
and I guess like first day of next week
lusty grotto
yea
proper roost
you need to spend a little time to grind some other delves to get up to access tier 8
proper roost
before you start doing bountifuls
They're not that limited though I mean. If you manage to get 16 keys by next week, then you would still easily consume them all before the end of the week
tawdry fjord
When simming for dps, in a m+, should i still use pw sim? or slice?
tawdry fjord
aight
vocal flame
its not cool lol
pallid quiver
I have just found out as part of science that Earthen don't leave skeletons behind on rez
They leave behind piles of rubble
lusty grotto
lol
proper roost
that kinda owns actually
lusty grotto
yeah lol its nice flavor
whole dagger
Is there a preraid bis list for port?
toxic pewter
They leave behind piles of rubble
omg lol
pastel sleet
Do we know what the carved crest limit will be next week?
mellow quartz
Do we know what the carved crest limit will be next week?
90 more I guess
rigid hull
IS it worth skiping a global or two
to use burst on thunder storm
like i revenge 2 times
to get that big blast
skip SS for 2 globals
mellow quartz
Thunder blast?
lusty grotto
probably not worht to skip SS
use outburst on SS if youre that far off
SS grants TB, youre wasting a potential charge
if Avatar is down, that is
obviously send Avatar and outburst a TB if youre able in AOE
but in your specific example im assuming avatar is not up
@plush tendon im leveling my bdk
and i have no fucking idea what im doing lmao
im just pressing reaper's mark on cd
mighty valley
Now I wish they had called it thunder storm
thunder storm sounds like something that's ongoing for a while, a blast is instantaneous
paper coral
Do y’all hit Last Stand on CD unless you know you’re gonna need it coming up for something?
paper coral
im just pressing reaper's mark on cd
Exterminate is nuttttyyyyy. It’s my favorite new skill in TWW.
urban bane
thunder storm sounds like something that's ongoing for a while, a blast is insta...
A blast is also a way to talk about an enjoyable experience or a party. And that's what it feels like when you press the button
😌
lusty grotto
about LS, i barely use it
mighty valley
i'll be real, i haven't pressed it yet, i've only played colossus so far
urban bane
demolish also is a blast to press
lusty grotto
or just use it during a pull while i gather
mighty valley
Demolish Blast
mellow quartz
Do y’all hit Last Stand on CD unless you know you’re gonna need it coming up for...
It works very well being used exactly like it’s named.
There are a few bosses it fills in as a defensive for me on the beta but outside of that it’s main ‘oh shit’.
lusty grotto
but i leveled as it because i thought i might as well see how it did
mighty valley
yeah i also press last stand on pull for safety and then any time i think the healer is gonna be strapped for group healing... it's not very effective but it's something
urban bane
i was suprised with colossus
right? i was like "how fun can pressing this be." it turns out unga bunga me hit ground hard is kinda fun!
lusty grotto
yeah its pretty much just "ok ill just send it cause it'll help a bit maybe"
concerning LS
mellow quartz
First pull and double upstairs in NW I use LS. Any double guardian packs in Mist.
Double guardians is demonic by the way. Spell block is your bestest of friends for those.
And still the dot trucks
steady plover
hello boys, how is protection in terms of damage? ❤️
lusty grotto
mid
mellow quartz
hello boys, how is protection in terms of damage? ❤️
It does it well
lusty grotto
especially when tier hits
paper coral
@lusty grotto @mellow quartz thanks for that. Random post on the subreddit proposed using bolster and LS to fill in gaps for Shield Block uptime.
I though that was odd but I’m still learning so I wanted to ask
lusty grotto
random post on reddit doesnt know about champs bulwark?
you play champion's bulwark, specifically for that reason
if youre gonna play bolster, dont talent shield charge
mellow quartz
Probably an ITF player
lusty grotto
man everytime i feel like reddit is actually redeeming themselves, here comes a weird post
but again i dont know the context
paper coral
I do sometimes have gaps in shield block uptime, I figured it was low haste or poor skill usage on my part and would improve as I got more gear.
lusty grotto
maybe they are replying to someone struggling to keep SB up (if thats even possible)
paper coral
but again i dont know the context
lusty grotto
its not hitting your SS on cd with HR and low haste
paper coral
Shshshshsh is who mentioned LS on CD
lusty grotto
well hes not completely wrong
but going into bolster is wild
there's no reason to go ITF right now
if someone has ITF, they are trolling
everyone has Heavy Rep
we dont have the haste levels for ITF
paper coral
My priority is shield slam > thunderblast if both are available or other way around?
lusty grotto
depends
but generally yes
you shouldnt sit on 2 TB stacks though
and you should def send it with outburst if big target count
paper coral
I mean, yeah there’s almost never 100% true rules. It’s guidelines.
lusty grotto
if you want it summarized, consider their prio equal in aoe
paper coral
Oh, outburst. I’m not even tracking that atm. I’ll start watching that once I get more used to how prot warrior feels.
lusty grotto
never shield slam if youre at 2 TB stacks
never avatar before sending all your available TB stacks
and prio TB if spear and demo are on mobs
cause that equates to big d blast damage and bigger crits
rigid hull
but in your specific example im assuming avatar is not up
so not worth 2 globals
but u can like send a revenge i guess
rigid hull
its alot of damage
lusty grotto
no
its not
because youre delaying a potential TB
read the tooltip of thunderblast
what grants TBs aside Avatar?
rigid hull
what grants TBs aside Avatar?
paper coral
Oh wait what the fuck. My build doesn’t even have spear, it has roar.
lusty grotto
open your talents
paper coral
Where the fuck.
lusty grotto
read Thunder Blast
rigid hull
yep
lusty grotto
Fooshaz
rigid hull
SS only
rigid hull
what if its a thunerblast im wainting for
lusty grotto
any time you decide to sit on something, its a dps loss
the only exception to that rule is if youre waiting for damage amps on certain fights
like smolderon
or Witherbark, to name a few
Gnarlroot as well
etc etc etc
lusty grotto
if you want to burst for whatever reason, its fine, its heroic shit dies fast anyway
but dont get used to it
warm plinth
You're not my dad
rigid hull
ye im doing it too many times
lusty grotto
You're not my dad
thats it, youre on time out
rigid hull
this is all because i wanna minmax damage
its super fun chasing dps players
they will lose their shit
"NOT THE TANK CATHCING UP TO ME"
any minmax tips? xd
mellow harbor
i feel like sheild slam is reseting more often, i got like 10 in a row couple times in 1 dungeon, i had 19 sheild slams in a 40 sec fight
kind urchin
I think the first pull in the rookery might be my favorite pull in the game right now.
lusty grotto
i feel like sheild slam is reseting more often, i got like 10 in a row couple ti...
if youre MT, read Burst of Power
that might settle the "feels" part
mellow harbor
oh makes sense,didn't feel liek this in dragonflight
tribal wharf
i feel like sheild slam is reseting more often, i got like 10 in a row couple ti...
pretty sure thane has something that when you thunderblast (enhanced thunderclap) it can make you gain 2 strategists
the capstone, so its when you avatar
mighty valley
ahh i've missed yogi
someone else explains it
yogi steps in to explain it anyway
and gets it totally wrong
lofty bridge
Just unlocked earthen. Before I make him a warrior, how are the prot vibes rn?
tribal wharf
if you want to play a disc mechagnome priest.......... go right ahead....
the most important thing is that you enjoy the class or spec you are playing
graceful cobalt
hi is it worth to craft shield on 606? or should i go on leegs (lowest item peace)
lusty grotto
see pins
lofty bridge
Oh I traditionally thoroughly enjoy prot warrior. And I reserved Khazaddûm from LOTR to make an earthen mountain thane.
Was just vibe checking. Thanks.
mighty valley
Yeah cool, you should have a good time, for some people who drop by "good vibes" means "indisputable #1 meta tank"
lofty bridge
Fuq that. I like living in the two extreme sides of the spectrum at BDK and prot warrior. Mostly wanted to make sure a bunch of shit wasn’t bugged and the spec is on fire.
mellow harbor
haha im doing the exact same thing, raiding tanking on blood DK and playing warrior for fun
slate pendant
man, i love being 5% larger
bleak breach
Are many people actually playing colossus? I just can’t see much reason too. Mountain thane seems to be much simpler and more sustainable.
bleak breach
Fun, but is it worthwhile? I just can’t see the upside. Damage is similar to Thane, but Thame seems to be better at everything else.
mellow quartz
Are many people actually playing colossus? I just can’t see much reason too. Mou...
Nothing matters currently so people play whatever
lusty grotto
Fun, but is it worthwhile? I just can’t see the upside. Damage is similar to Tha...
if you wanna parse you will go col
mighty valley
Fun, but is it worthwhile? I just can’t see the upside. Damage is similar to Tha...
brother, fun is the most worthwhile thing in this game
it's why we're here
bleak breach
Yeah, I don’t find Thane boring either. Just noticed a fair gap in rage generation between the 2 which made colossus a little harder to survive with. Although we haven’t had content that has pushed us yet, more assuming for once raid opens.
lofty bridge
I’m here for the Thor shit.
mighty valley
yeah if tuning doesn't change, i'll probably switch to thane if i'm getting to a key level where survival is not assured
bleak breach
Thanks Nim, might try Colossus in the raid then. Will be interesting to give it a run there. Might have to smack the dummy to get used to it.
lofty bridge
But col going big bonk in a damage amp window sounds big fun.
mighty valley
i enjoy seeing seven digit numbers more often it is true
god this is gonna be a big numbers expansion
surprised they didn't squish for the start of this 3 expansion arc
lofty bridge
Quite large. W will be entering the 8th digit again.
plush tendon
<@181600386941976577> im leveling my bdk
lusty grotto
def digging exterminate
mighty valley
it's probably enough work that they can't easily pick when to do it but it would've been cool if we felt ludicrously powerful by the end of exp 3
shell atlas
Was there a list already aggreated into one spot of items worth farming in Heroics and what comes from where?
shell atlas
😦
lusty grotto
because its useless
lofty bridge
The only thing wrong with Deathbringer BDK is the launch sequence on opener.
lusty grotto
ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery, just follow this
ornate magnet
do we only get 1 fractured spark per week?
ornate magnet
ty
shell atlas
because its useless
How so? Fairly new to WoW and here, but with all the info out there figured folks would have something like this and be utilizing it.
lusty grotto
all of the gear you will farm now will be replaced
since ilvl > all
literally next week
shell atlas
Yea. But I don't have any friends/guild currently on the NA region server so was trying to gear myself up as much a possible for M0 stuff prior to the unlock so I'm more attractive as a PUG and may can find some regulars to play with
lusty grotto
if you really must have a list, run a droptimizer sim
1 target patchwerk 3 min for ST/Raid
5 target patchwerk 1.5 or 1 min for AOE/M+
warm plinth
You're a tank. It's gonna be easy to get into M0s.
lofty bridge
He's perfect
mighty valley
also, ilvl trumps everything, so you're gonna have a better time just queuing for randoms and getting what you get
lusty grotto
☝️
mighty valley
hunting for specific items is a lot of pain for irrelevant gain right now
bleak breach
Is the colossus rotation much different?
lusty grotto
nobody is gonna inspect you for "bis items" its all ilvl and raider.io
yes its like legion Prot
lofty bridge
hunting for specific items is a lot of pain for irrelevant gain right now
I tried to explain this to my co tank. But he is so far in the sauce atm
lusty grotto
not hugely different though
just less emphasis on IP as a rage dump
and more on sending revenges
mighty valley
yeah, in big enough aoe you can basically stop thunderclapping (except to maintain rend)
shell atlas
nobody is gonna inspect you for "bis items" its all ilvl and raider.io
Is the target for M0 roughly 580? Will be going in as 0 for raider.io on NA 😦
mighty valley
although this is sacrificing even more rage gen/survival in favor of big dam
mellow ridge
new listener first time question, but is earthen any good for prot warriors? i dont see it in the pins and was planning on making a prot war for m+ this season
mighty valley
Is the target for M0 roughly 580? Will be going in as 0 for raider.io on NA 😦
you can get higher ilvl gear next week from delves too
lusty grotto
Is the target for M0 roughly 580? Will be going in as 0 for raider.io on NA 😦
the higher the better is the target
shell atlas
you can get higher ilvl gear next week from delves too
Think folks will be running those as PUGs?
mighty valley
you can solo them
shell atlas
Yea, but I thought Delves were advertised as something you could do with folks? Wouldn't that speed it up in general?
mighty valley
you can but if you're fearing getting rejected by pugs (which i promise won't really happen much to a tank in low early season m+) then solo delves is a stress free gear source
empty pike
amazing
toxic pewter
Think folks will be running those as PUGs?
A ton of people pugging delves. There an entire tab for it in group finder. It’s fun with people
unreal lily
How many spark fragments should we have by now?
hardy snow
How many spark fragments should we have by now?
3\
unreal lily
Awesome thank you
shell atlas
Is the shortage in group tanks just related to the lack of tank slots in raids like most other MMOs face?
pallid quiver
There's also the expectations that tanks need to knw everything, as well as a general perceived idea that tanking and playing tanks is hard
when tanks rotationally and executionally are actually pretty simple overall, and tanks are players, too, who also learn
Also, if you make a big fuckie-wuckie, people tend to instant notice it
dusky canopy
new listener first time question, but is earthen any good for prot warriors? i d...
You can play as any race you want race doesn’t matter even at the highest levels of play it’s irrelevant a majority of the time.
That being said regular dwarf has the most useful racial for tanks.
mellow ridge
You can play as any race you want race doesn’t matter even at the highest levels...
i figured 10% armor would be pretty big for tanking
lusty grotto
its not
mellow ridge
is it not noticeable
tribal wharf
10% armor, yeah, 10% equipped armor, no
dusky canopy
If it was 10% equipped armor it would be turbo busted for tanks
pallid quiver
is it not noticeable
For the record, most of the racials are generally off base stats so as to not create drastic divides in racial strength, so you can, in fact, play what you want
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
That's an execution
hardy snow
never
lusty grotto
diaper babies are cool
dusky canopy
Literally couldn’t be me
tribal wharf
mechatauren so i can roll one as MM hunter with aimed and explosive shot so i can pretend to be a cyber demon
pallid quiver
mechatauren so i can roll one as MM hunter with aimed and explosive shot so i c...
actually based
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If I have Tome, am I correct in thinking it's not a waste to fully upgrade it to 593 since it likely won't get replaced immediately? I also have Ara-Kara, but I know that's more likely to be swapped out next week. Just trying to min-max weathered crest spending, as silly as that is pre-S1.
dusky canopy
You really can’t waste crests all you’d be doing is saving yourself the crests later and you would have to farm the valorstones
tribal wharf
i wonder if the game tracks how many total valor stones i earned
has to be over 10k
not quite
pallid quiver
i've ran a non-zero amount of dungos to level chars
dusky canopy
I personally find it to be a refreshing experience this expansion launch to just do open world content to get pre raid geared
Two weeks to do loremaster essentially
Witch I usually always skip
tribal wharf
that war hammer game looks okay, not sure ill get into it
chilly brook
Do we know what the carved crest limit will be next week?
90 every week pretty sure
potent anvil
My warrior is ascending soon 
lusty grotto
pastel sleet
yeah i know it grows at 90 a week. do we know if next weel it will start at 90 or if it will match weathered and start at 360?
in dragonflight season 1 whelping and drake started a week before wyrms and aspects and where off set by the equivalent of a weeks worth of progress.
it sounds like everyone is in agreement that carved acquisition will match weathered crests cap on tuesday. which would be awesome getting to grind out 360 carved crests over the course of the week
lusty grotto
will start at 90
pastel sleet
FUCK
lusty grotto
unless they changed their mind from past seasons, which doesnt seem to be the case seeing as they added more steps to tracks
so 99%, it will start at 90
pastel sleet
this is the only data i have atm
lusty grotto
gilded will be 90
runed might be higher, im not exactly sure
gilded = aspect from DF
runed = wyrm from DF
carved = drake, weathered = whelpling
id say runed might be 180
pastel sleet
yeah, but next week carved will be the only one we can chase in m0s
pastel sleet
oh thats true
lofty warren
dawn geode
Bear is indeed snoozefest
lusty grotto
and so far deathbringer is fucking dope too
i havent played dotc
but elune was fucking garbage
i wish i was kidding but i did nod off
so my rankings essentially havent changed since DF
but again thisis all personal opinion
wtf i just got darkcleft in leveling queue?
pallid quiver
I've actually been enjoying playing Prot Pala while levelling the Earthen up
lusty grotto
oh
all 8 dungeons are available in leveling queue now
interesting
was this a change on tuesday?
i guess i missed it
gritty latch
because warrior is the hardest?
unreal lily
Hey last year in most of the tank discords the majority of the answers to anyone's questions were something along the lines of "post your logs so we can see what your doing right/wrong" is logging still a thing? I don't see a mention of it in the pins
lusty grotto
yes
but theres no relevant content right now
is there something you need us to look at? right now everything is easy so its rough to see logs where everything gets deleted
and of course the combat timeframe is short so there's not a lot to look at
#protection message you can scroll up or down to see his comments
thats DF, but still relevant since there were no changes to aegis or its counterpart
pallid quiver
Anger Management still exists to modify its CD
And removing anger management is literally shooting the entire class in the foot
You would be better off just playing a different tank if you're gonna give up AM
astral crystal
dodged the first major class overhaul, let's go bois
lusty grotto
blizzard would be smoking crack if they did anything
like ive mentioned, if anything, we will need damage buffs when tier pieces land
pallid quiver
Most of the classes and specs that got a lot of attention are those that really needed it, either design wise like Enha Totemic, or performance, or something
lusty grotto
yea
tribal wharf
shaman retail tank
something between a gaurdian druid and prot paladin/warrior, incredibly effective at blocking spells or reducing spell damage incoming, dies to straight melee dr check abilities
uses earth cc stuff
ornate sky
on the #updates-midnight isn't it already 10%? (this is live ingame tooltip)
lusty grotto
hmm
thats interesting considering wowhead has it at 5%
im guessing the tooltip change went through but not the actual buff
tribal wharf
kind glen
I noticed that as well.
lusty grotto
so to put it simply
the text change for that tooltip is in
but probably not the actual buff
i guess we can confirm it with some testing
ornate sky
going to go barbaric training and exclusively do 10s
kind glen
Think the highest single Revenge hit I had was around 600k.
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dusky canopy
is BB two points for prot also?
dusky canopy
no worries
west turtle
I'm trying to stock up on food/pots/weapon oils, does prot use wheatstones or oils?
cerulean musk
How is Rend your highest? Mines never that high, which build you playing?
potent anvil
gunna try for revenge world records
Its definitely possible. My warr still has 3 more upgrades to go.
That's from heroic priory. I dunno if there are damage amps in there.
urban lotus
ummm.
this is going to be an offensive external CD for warrior isn't it?
because of
100% increased armor for 30 seconds would be (for me currently w/ 121000 armor) ~4840 primary stat
so like
12% primary stat gain for 30 seconds
urban lotus
dawn geode
tyvm
lusty grotto
this is going to be an offensive external CD for warrior isn't it?
yes probably
@plush tendon me done
urban lotus
very interesting
fallow nova
A Dracthyr disc priest seems like a neat idea
opal forum
so I know during violent outburst in aoe scenario you want to prioritize TB over SS when possible, but I thought you would still prioritize SS over anything outside of that.
but on the guide it says to prioritize TB over SS in AOE, so what is the correct way?
lusty grotto
you dont have TB up all the time
opal forum
I thought the only time you will press TB over SS was if you have 2 charges, but from what i see, it take prio over SS in AOE
i know that
lusty grotto
ok so its pretty self explanatory
opal forum
assuming im having 1 charge of it
lusty grotto
then press TB
opal forum
outside of outburst window
lusty grotto
you can prio SS with 1 charge
cause it can give you another charge of TB
and you wanna clear all TB stacks before avatar so you waste the 2 charges it gives you
opal forum
ok so in AOE, outside of outburst window, i still press SS first, unless i have 2 stacks of TB
ok and clear them before avatar, make sense
lusty grotto
so its a little more complicated than "use one over the other"
opal forum
yeah i was trying to get the full logic of it
rigid hull
@lusty grotto do u play fury aswell?
opal forum
its basically TB charges management and the goal is to prio SS, but making sure you dont waste any of those charges
lusty grotto
yes
rigid hull
asked a question in fury channel its way diffrent over there xd
opal forum
thank you
rigid hull
prot channel is like people have same opninions
fury people aleardy 10 diffrent stuff
lusty grotto
yeah well those are uncharted waters for me
cerulean tusk
To be fair, Prot ppl usually 10 ppl in the wrong
WW is better than revenge, 360 beat 270
mellow harbor
what keeps me up at night, halloween witch's broom insta mount in dawnbreaker, just start flying away with mechanics 
, won't be practical but it will be funny
mellow harbor
hmmm🤔
frosty holly
Congrats
violet ginkgo
Wait umm.... so that's all warrior will get 20th anniv patch?
You know other class got quite long updates, I expect... more than a few lines for warriors.
bleak breach
Wait umm.... so that's all warrior will get 20th anniv patch?
Just means there’s not much wrong with us.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
violet ginkgo
Well tell that to Arms ppl
lusty grotto
there will be tuning
those are just planned out in advance
the anniversary update is in NOVEMBER
raid opens next week
of course tuning will happen
violet ginkgo
so there is still a chance 
Well I don't play arms but... from what I see from Arms chat... that spec got a lot of problem now?
Fury: Well I think fury is fine? might need a bit buff or tweak but nothing major.
Prot: I think we all agree the colossus rage management need some tuning.
violet ginkgo
Well more damage is always good can't refuse that 😄
lusty grotto
we're gonna need it cause the other tanks will outdps us when they get tier
our tier is very lackluster
violet ginkgo
ah true our tier is shit
how did we go from 10% DR from DF tierset to just 3% DR at TWW tierset
mighty valley
in df the first season's tier was weak by design, idk if they're thinking the same way now
but yeah ours is a step behind
still plenty tuning time
frosty holly
They have stated first season tier are weak by design for TWW also
I still dream tho
jagged pier
Weak by design...... then theres brews tier
lusty grotto
ripnimchip just getting mounts
hollow dove
Does that mean it's being removed?
hollow dove
Ah
loud patrol
just got back from work what happened?
lusty grotto
loud patrol
warrior dead?
lusty grotto
nothing happened
loud patrol
lol
proper roost
ripnimchip got it
Yoooo nice
ionic fern
I enjoy how Prot players are still optimistic about getting changes.
lusty grotto
stone wing
sorry if this has been asked, but do earthen gain a decent amount of mainstat from their armored to the teeth due to their 10% increased armor from items?
stone wing
why would that not increase the amount of strength we get from armored to the teeth? is it not still increasing our overall armor therefore 4% of that would be a larger gain?
lusty grotto
not considerably
its more base armor
again
its not calculated by what you have equipped
its calculated by the base armor of your character
stone wing
armored to the teeth is calculated on base armor?
stone wing
okay well then what you are saying about it not being calculated on equipped items is just wrong. it specifically affects equipped items lol
lusty grotto
AttT's strength gain is calculated with your equipped armor
stone wing
"Base armor from equipped items is increased by 10%"
stone wing
right which is armor before talent gains
which would still be a 10% armor increase on our equipped items
proper roost
no, whenever it's "base" in WoW
it means
like your level 80
nothing equipped
at all
THAT armor.
bronze pasture
So youre literally saying if i put on armor that has all the same stats but higher armor, its not gonna benefit the talent?
i wanna test this so hard rn but im at work
stone wing
there is no shot y'all are reading this right lol
it saying from equipped items would be absolutely pointless in that tooltip
limber temple
I enjoy how Prot players are still optimistic about getting changes.
Let us dream 😢
bronze pasture
Im so mad at myself for forgetting to screenshot my armor and AP before i race changed to earthen
lusty grotto
since when are stat racial passives huge?
of course its pointless
remember that blizzard tooltips are enigmas by themselves
stone wing
that isnt what I asked lol
bronze pasture
I dont believe you 😝
stone wing
I didnt ask is it a big damage gain
lusty grotto
i didnt say damage
stone wing
I asked does it provide a considerable amount of strength
lusty grotto
also strength is damage
stone wing
which you went on a rant about base armor instead
stone wing
strength is more than just damage
lusty grotto
yes its both parry and AP
stone wing
you are arguing semantics for literally no reason here bud