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#protection
soft tusk
pallid quiver
I even mean the DPS specs, too. I keep seeing people mention Elementalist Enha being very complex or something and I'm just over here like
it's just a prio list
soft tusk
what
jagged gust
Shield wall on pretty much every pull with more than 1 pack
lusty grotto
provided correct rage management
fallow fern
I haven't done any Sims.. but just wondering if there is any situation where we hang on to s4 tier at the beginning? Or do we just replace with lvl 80 ilvl stuff?
lusty grotto
I haven't done any Sims.. but just wondering if there is any situation where we...
read your tier
pallid quiver
what
Anger Management reduces your CDs by spending rage, and Imp Wall makes SS reduce Shield Wall CD
So you have multiple sources of CDR on shield wall
fallow fern
Not in game ATM.. but will next time lol
pallid quiver
You can pretty much have a use for every pack
lusty grotto
read the parenthesis
youre lucky i havent sold these and was thinking of dumping them in the void whatever
fallow fern
Oh damn
lusty grotto
hopefully that answers your question
fallow fern
That's good actually makes that decision easier lol
pallid quiver
They didn't want people to have to do old content from last xpac to get prepped for current raid
fallow fern
Yes!
pallid quiver
Which is very understandable, even if I personally think something like that is super cool from like a in world experience
where your loot you've found can find use elsewhere
jagged gust
I even mean the DPS specs, too. I keep seeing people mention Elementalist Enha b...
prio lists are confusing when you're new, just throwing 20 random keywords at people who can barely remember the names of their core rotation abilities
mighty valley
prio lists become hard when you’re also trying to do a mythic raid dance yknow
lusty grotto
yikers
pallid quiver
prio lists are so much easier to understand than "Oh, you press button B to win if they press button A. Oh, they pressed C, D, E, or nothing? lmao get fucked idiot"
soft tusk
So you have multiple sources of CDR on shield wall
wtf
pallid quiver
It's also much less worrying when you know just pressing something high up on the list is better than nothing
soft tusk
this class is crazy lmao
warm plinth
read the parenthesis
Nice NFT
pallid quiver
this class is crazy lmao
It's why Prot Warrior's weaknesses aren't really what people think they are. Spell Block has started getting them to think magic damage isn't a weakness of it, but it wasn't ever really a weakeness even before, since it has the DR on Spell Reflect and Shield Wall on a low CD
soft tusk
I truly appreciate you guys' input and guidance. Only been playing this class since last Thursday and it has been fun.
lusty grotto
did you just bring a covid term back from the dead Ghash
pallid quiver
It's actually always been really good on magic damage in bursts, since it mitigates really hard
soft tusk
Although I miss my pally I do enjoy the warrior feel and the leaps
I never understood how SS take priority over TC in aoe and now I get it. Completely overlooked stuff such as Imp Wall
mighty valley
this class is crazy lmao
jagged gust
If you look closely, literally everything in our kit revolves around shield slam
pallid quiver
I never understood how SS take priority over TC in aoe and now I get it. Complet...
Yep, just note that Thunder Blast is different than Thunder Clap, so that can adjust the prio if you're watching your Outbursts
soft tusk
any useful macros (not in the guide) or cool stuff you personally designed that you wish you had much earlier and has made you a better warrior tank player?
lusty grotto
not me
use a weakaura to track shied block duration
thats about it
since you absolutely 100% need shield block up at all times during combat
thin silo
it's also okay to simplify/streamline the priority list -- you can spend every Outburst on Shield Slam with a clean conscience, for example, until you've ingrained the class mechanics well enough to go chasing that extra 0.3% optimization of mob counts/ Thunder Blast procs
but definitely don't fall into the trap of simplifying by macroing all your class abilities together, because you need to use things individually to properly appreciate when they're actually being used (re: "I can just macro S.Block/IP to Shield Slam, right?" stuff we see here on occasion)
lusty grotto
absolutely 100%
soft tusk
That's one thing I noticed here a lot.. the obsession some people have to macro everything together lol
jagged gust
It's like 30 keybinds, it has the tendency to stun people who aren't used to it
round cliff
everybody should be forced to play brewmaster before complaining about button bloat
mighty valley
god, i play mw and every df patch i was holding my breath to see if they were gonna add or take away a button
why the fuck are some of these buttons still around
round cliff
why the fuck are some of these buttons still around
lobbying from Big Gamer to keep selling gamer mice
more buttons more need for keys to bind em to
mighty valley
playing fury as an anticorporate protest
round cliff
thats playing hunter
pallid quiver
bold of you to think i'd fill in that line
zenith vigil
The real answer is dk but only because I can't get the hang of it
past cobalt
why is shield slam so high in the aoe priority? I feel like I'm missing something but doesn't revenge deal more total damage on 3-4 targets even with shield slam buffs?
lusty grotto
no
opal forum
rage generation is what give you the most dps on the long run
lusty grotto
generators > spenders always
the one hero tree where revenge dps is high which is colossus STILL NEEDS RAGE
so generators > spenders
revenge aint raze
it hits for actual shit as MT
therefore ultra dead last in prio
past cobalt
but is revenge not at least better than pressing ignore pain while the current one is still halfway up?
lusty grotto
no
revenge is a gcd
IP is an offgcd
you will press IP regardless of your actual IP's status
the state of your IP does not matter at all
zenith vigil
And ip shortens avatar CD
lusty grotto
i feel like all of this is explained in both guides
zenith vigil
pallid quiver
but is revenge not at least better than pressing ignore pain while the current o...
Revenge is worse than pressing both Shield Slam and Ignore Pain together, since the goal of the spec is to generate as much rage as possible to spend as much rage as possible
Revenge's main purpose outside of Colossus is to kick start the cycle by fishing for Shield Slam resets
it does piddles of damage, even in AOE, and over time costs you more damage from the lack of Avatar casts
Also especially as Mountain Thane, since SS can proc Thunder Blasts, which absolutely do blast
past cobalt
this is what it says on the icy veins guide: "You should follow your ability priority as usual unless you hit a point where following it would result in wasting Rage. In those situations, Revenge Icon Revenge and Ignore Pain Icon Ignore Pain become your highest priority abilities. If you are about to cap out on Rage and have very little or no Ignore Pain absorb left, then make sure to cast Ignore Pain to stop yourself from capping. If you are going for damage or you already have Ignore Pain up, use Revenge. Generally, you should still prioritize Thunder Clap Icon Thunder Clap above Revenge, as wasting 5 Rage is minimal, and the extra damage gained from doing so is worth it. As an example, say you are at 96 Rage. Casting Shield Slam Icon Shield Slam at that point would provide you with 4 Rage, not 15. On average, you will gain more overall Rage by delaying Rage-generating abilities by a global cooldown to avoid capping."
lusty grotto
if this is hard to understand, lets see at 4 GCDs (where GCDs are between the -> symbol):
-
while using IP:
SS (IP) -> SS (IP) -> TC (IP) -> SS (IP)
35+35+35+35 = 140 rage burned in 4 GCDs -
while using revenge (never do this):
SS -> Revenge -> SS -> Revenge
20 + 20 = 40 rage burned in 4 GCDS
not only is the first faster
you generated more rage and spent it in the same period
vastly more
AND you activated wall CDR
zenith vigil
Not to mention, in high content, where this is actually gonna matter, you're gonna be getting rawdogged so much that ip will be gone a nanosecond after you get it
pallid quiver
this is what it says on the icy veins guide: "You should follow your ability pri...
Immediately after the section you were looking at
You also shouldn't be overcapping rage at all since IP is off the GCD
Any time you do cap rage
You have been fucking up
zenith vigil
What is IP 's cap, anyways
pallid quiver
And you're in recovery mode
pallid quiver
What is IP 's cap, anyways
30% max HP
zenith vigil
is there a weak aura for that
pallid quiver
probably
zenith vigil
Or is it on nomeraturs and I don't pay attention enough
pallid quiver
I just loosely note that it's like 3 casts
zenith vigil
past cobalt
I have been pressing revenge+IP whenever I have 90 rage and then go back to shield slam and thunderclap
pallid quiver
Since by and large, outside of specific tank buster hits
pallid quiver
I have been pressing revenge+IP whenever I have 90 rage and then go back to shie...
you've been fucking up for 30 rage
It's generally recommended to start dumping into IP around 60 rage, since you can get like 40 rage from an outbursted Shield Slam
Which you should be doing outside of Thunder Blasts in AOE is sending outbursts on Shield Slam
past cobalt
if I'm in an AoE pull, I assume it's not worth holding outburst to use on thunder clap or blast?
lusty grotto
I have been pressing revenge+IP whenever I have 90 rage and then go back to shie...
what happens when you need a shield block cast at that moment? you are in rage starve territory
pallid quiver
It is, in fact, worth sending Outburst on Thunder Blast, even on 2 enemies
Thunder Blast really shits on people
Thunder Clap requires a metric fuck ton of enemies to be worth it, and it only gives damage, not survival
opal forum
thunder blast over shield slam?
pallid quiver
With 2 targets or more, yes, since Thunder Blast generates more rage to be in parity with Shield Slam, and also does more damage as soon as a second body is around
lusty grotto
and only in 2+ targets
opal forum
yes
past cobalt
what happens when you need a shield block cast at that moment? you are in rage s...
well then I use shield block first of course. but for example when I have 90 rage, 5s left on shield block, and I also have shield slam and thunderclap almost available. I just go revenge, then ignore pain, then shield slam and thunderclap to have enough rage to shield block before it runs out
pallid quiver
honestly, even if you send outburst on Blast instead of SS in ST, it's not that bad
lusty grotto
well then I use shield block first of course. but for example when I have 90 rag...
these scenarios dont help you at all
we cant work with make believe situations
put in practice, none of that is optimal
what we're recommending you to do, in fact, is
tried and true, proven by logs and sims
and experience
opal forum
^ this guy know how to press buttons
lusty grotto
just the fact that youre thinking about "i have x and y and z, ill press this and that, then juggle this in" in combat is extremely detrimental
but that's beside the point
because as soon as you fuck up that SB recast, and youre in a key, youll go splat
yeeted and deleted
past cobalt
so basically. revenge is the last resort only when nothing is available? not even for the DoT?
opal forum
basicaly yes
lusty grotto
correct, DW can be applied in the opener
opal forum
you can dot early
pallid quiver
well then I use shield block first of course. but for example when I have 90 rag...
Even taking into account what you posted and ignoring all context around it in the original article, you'd press Thunder Clap to generate the rage first and press IP
pallid quiver
so basically. revenge is the last resort only when nothing is available? not eve...
Even on top of that, your auto attacks apply the same dot
so you can just tab target while pressing your generators and have it just be applied
lusty grotto
you will cast revenge
pallid quiver
If you're that concerned about your dot being up
You're going to cast revenge before it falls off; you need it to reset SS
lusty grotto
yep
pallid quiver
But we are not a spec focused on managing dots and refreshing them and applying damage increases or modifiers related to dots
they just happen
past cobalt
ok so I guess I'll try this later. trying to learn a spec in hc dungeons is annoyoing cause nothing matters I guess
soft tusk
Always send my Demoralizing Shout on CD?
do I hold on avatar if my Demo is like 5-10 seconds away from coming back up?
jagged gust
hold nothing
10 seconds is a loooong time
plus that 5-10 seconds isn't actually that long with CDR
and avatar is gonna help with that
zenith vigil
Will it/is it a good idea to get a shield crafted first if you biff on looting a good one?
lament bough
The wowhead guide says that mountain thane uses champions spear, and colossus uses thunderous roar. Why is that?
mighty valley
probably mostly subtle stuff around burst windows, plus colossus has a talent that increases bleed damage so there's a tiny synergy there
mostly: people plugged both into the math robot and that's what came out
lament bough
I see. Thanks
sand pebble
The wowhead guide says that mountain thane uses champions spear, and colossus us...
it explains in the guide why so
pallid quiver
Will it/is it a good idea to get a shield crafted first if you biff on looting a...
If you can't get a high ilvl shield otherwise, it's a good bet; shield is 100% our most important piece of gear, more than any embel or anything else
Just know that if you have the potential to get a max ilvl shield, it will be replaced by that, as ilvl on shield is the single most important stat, as shield is the only source of block value
rigid hull
chat do i spend weatherd crests?
pallid quiver
They effectively become useless in like a week and a half if you do any content above Heroic dungeons
pallid quiver
Nope; I checked earlier. M0 comes out with normal/heroic raid
And M+ with Mythic raid
So we have another week of highest content being Heroic dungeons
It's likely that way so people who want to rock an Earthen char have a week to bumrush their way to level cap and gear
Since Earthen chars will be available to make next week with the last of the story quests
jagged pier
Just race change
pallid quiver
heritage armor tho
pallid quiver
The allied race ones just tell you you're a good boy/girl and give you the armor at level 50 or whatever
The normal race ones have questlines
warm bloom
Have they said what level earthern characters will start at
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure 10 like other allied race characters, but I don't recall where to find that info
jagged gust
that sounds lame
warm bloom
Hoping for something higher like they did with dracthyr
jagged pier
Oh i thought we were a week closer to hc week than we are. Oops
pallid quiver
Dracthyr started that high not because dragon, but because Hero class
pallid quiver
that's why i'm mega slacking on heroic dungos
like, i miiiight eventually hit enough to upgrade my gear to all 593s or something
but like, that's a lot of stones to spend
wep and shield are 593, so that's good enough
i can fill the other junk with raid/m0 gear
jagged pier
I mean i got all the gear i need on warrior
Just need to upgrade
Then i need shammy
pallid quiver
Especially since M0 is daily reset now
warm bloom
so pumped for space marine
i can remember thinking it'd be crazy not to have a sequel when i played the first one back in the day
jagged pier
cosmic canyon
It's likely that way so people who want to rock an Earthen char have a week to b...
Currently, is there any "long term" stuff you need to farm to keep up? Delves? Other? Or can I slack, and in a couple weeks time hit the ceiling anyway?
In terms of gear progression / weekly quests etc.
pallid quiver
Making sure you get your spark for the week is about the closest off the top of my head; due to crest/upgrade paths, everyything at the top end comes from top M+ or M raid. Coffer keys are the only other thing,
but i think those cap at a lower spot than the absolute highest gear, though it'll serve as a good stop-gap
You can also go completely ape shit and mega farm every last thing you can right now to 593 so you can farm for 593 pieces of gear when M0 comes out
so you can kinda figure what end of the scale i'm on
cosmic canyon
Think I avg 578 or something. Have 3 pieces 593
cosmic canyon
No idea if I did the spark quest, guess I did. And I have 3.25 coffer keys (did one run)
pallid quiver
You can get 4 full keys per week
cosmic canyon
What is this spark thing?
pallid quiver
- parts
pallid quiver
taking this screenshot reminds me that i swapped shoulders and need to sell that tier shoulder
pallid quiver
There's a quest to get a full spark in town once you have your half
I just haven't turned it in yet since I'm clearing side quests in Azj
cosmic canyon
I just haven't turned it in yet since I'm clearing side quests in Azj
What does this have to do with it?
pallid quiver
Absolutely nothing
Gives rep and loremaster progress
I'm just saying I haven't done the quest to turn it in for the full spark
cosmic canyon
Haha. Fair. So, I'll make sure I to have the full spark and not only half when i get to a pc later
pallid quiver
That quest gets you the full spark; it's the intro to the spark system
You normally only get half a spark every week, but the first week you get a full spark due to this quest
You can spend that on crafted gear, which technically should be spent on embels, but can be sent on a shield early to make sure you get a high ilvl shield as fast as possible
cosmic canyon
I'm gonna enjoy +m. Last time I played was bfa/early shadowlands. They were about to introduce a weekly cache as the only means to get "bis" iL gear, even if farming very high keys, stuff inside the keys lost value..
Is this still the case? Have stuff changed further? Are those "sparks" the weekly high IL stuff, that you now also can 'save' to apply to even higher iL gear etc?
Full haste/crit on all pieces, or do the stats drop off after a certain point and you'd want the other ones?
Thanks for the information already shared Luerce btw 🙂
pallid quiver
Sparks are a part of the whole crafting revamp from Dragonflight; it's worth reading up on its own, but the simplest thing if you're hitting all content (M Raid, M+ 10s and higher) is that it gives you access to gear that's 3 ilvls below cap at the cost of a spark. There's also unique crafted items that have special effects that are on top of the base effects called embellishments. Think of those as nice bonuses that are worth sacrificing 3 ilvl for, generally.
My guess is that the weekly cache you mentioned is the Great Vault system, which has a revamped process. You can unlock multiple slots in it per content type, up to 3 for Raids, Dungeons, PvP, and now Delves, that will give gear at a higher ilvl than you'd usually get as raw drops (except for raid, as that will drop at the raid item level) from the given content. So raid slots give gear from the raid, dungeon from dungeons, and so on
To get Mythic track gear for upgrading, your options are M Raid or Great Vault drops for M+
and maybe something from PvP i dunno how that works
but i think pvp gear has a lower base item level but just scales to the relevant item level with the PvP effects on them
cosmic canyon
Sparks make the "set bonuses"?
Thanks ill read up. Yeah, it was the great vault.
Bottom line, I can't "only do m+" and be competitive IL gear wise?
pallid quiver
You can, but it'll take longer
lusty grotto
Sparks make the "set bonuses"?
Thanks ill read up. Yeah, it was the great vault....
sparks make crafted items
you want 2 embelished crafted items
cosmic canyon
Thanks
cosmic canyon
you want 2 embelished crafted items
Do I need to level professions for this, or is it outside that system?
lusty grotto
tier is obtained via raids like always
but also obtained through the catalyst, you just dump a non-tier piece in and it turns into tier
catalyst has charges, which are awarded over time
pallid quiver
Do I need to level professions for this, or is it outside that system?
There's crafting orders you can put out to get soulbound items made for you
lusty grotto
Do I need to level professions for this, or is it outside that system?
crafting orders
pallid quiver
So you don't need a profession for the soulbound items anymore
cosmic canyon
Ah. Like "bop" auction house requests or something?
lusty grotto
you just need the materials
pallid quiver
Essentially
cinder nova
Pacts matter at all?
pallid quiver
They lock your world quests and benefits in Azj to the faction leader you pact with
In terms of strict gameplay benefits, that means it's down to the profession boost, the kej boost, or... the ability to not die in world content
sick sentinel
Very, very new to tanking. Is there places where I can, when seasons starts, import routes for M+?
I don't feel confident making my own
pallid quiver
There's a few different places, like keystone guru and iirc raider.io has a route section
pallid quiver
There's also the old classic of "Hold W and hit packs in the way"
you can always go back and hit packs if you need to, as well
sick sentinel
Sweet! That definitely helps
autumn pawn
Very, very new to tanking. Is there places where I can, when seasons starts, imp...
Quazii got a TWW guide on his YT with the timeline and what content unlocks when
sick sentinel
I've done 25s on DPS / Healer, but never as a tank
pallid quiver
A non-zero amount of it honestly is just Hold W outside of trying to go for some real high keys
Since in lower end, pugs, etc, there's likely buttpulling happening at some point that'd mess with it, anyhow
sick sentinel
I assume dwarf racial is still better than anything else in high keys
I don't think TWW touched racials
pallid quiver
That and NE if you're trying to mega optimize, but it's not gonna make or brake a key
lusty grotto
take it slow
pallid quiver
and youre worried about high keys?
New to tanking, but definitely not new to M+ if he hit 25s before
pallid quiver
i dunno
lusty grotto
but we've seen noobier at 25s
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure the higher up you go, the less the DPS actually know routing and are just pressing buttons
pallid quiver
I dunno
sick sentinel
IDK maybe it's like a mental thing of routing being like the "main" responsibility of the tank
pallid quiver
I think it's the rare folk who actually think about routing heavily
sick sentinel
Like it feels like you're responsible for any screwups
Which is different from knowing what route the tank might take
lusty grotto
so youre one of those
tank links MDT, never looks at it
needs a sleepwalk or some shit
route fails, "shit tank"
sick sentinel
I guess so, yea
lusty grotto
hope youre ready for pain
sick sentinel
Also felt like actually playing a tank would help me build empathy
Hence the role switch
pallid quiver
Nim really has his panties in a bunch today, so I wouldn't fuss over it that much. But tanks are 100% the role that'll be shouted at the most, even if nothing was actually your fault in M+
sick sentinel
Ya I figured
Have had my fair share of blame as a healer
Although there's this weakaura for avoidable damage that helps with that
lusty grotto
chilly brook
I'm pretty sure the higher up you go, the less the DPS actually know routing and...
I certainly just press buttons and dodge mechanics as a DPS
I mean what is there for me to gain by knowing a route, I just press CDs when it’s advantageous and kill mobs ez clap
pallid quiver
I'm pretty sure once you get high enough, the route is "literally everything possible in one pull"
lusty grotto
if a key requires a cc skip, and you fail it, key is dead
chilly brook
Like largely not useful to you as a dps
chilly brook
Only time I care to look at a route is if someone makes it clear something is different from the norm
lusty grotto
im not saying these things regarding normal keys
he claimed hes done 25s
AAs fail the snap and you just wasted a shitload of time, keys likely dead
chilly brook
Depends on when the 25s were done in fairness
lusty grotto
well im guessing the last time
so rise/fall/eb/tott/etc
which btw had skips like that (warlock in EB, etc)
chilly brook
But also I wouldn’t be surprised if people just held w up to 25s
It was like 29s that season for top end no?
lusty grotto
nah
chilly brook
And we had plenty of people in here doing 23s very subparly
chilly brook
Ah then yeah
lusty grotto
im guessing these world quest areas rotate?
interesting approach
or is this just spreading the light area thats always like this?
lusty grotto
thats not what i mean
theres an area in ringing deeps full of rares
so im assuming it rotates there or something
either way spreading the light is an interesting thing in itself
pallid quiver
the rares that are active depends on which keystones are lit
lusty grotto
ringing deeps
cinder nova
I know Colossus is suboptimal in dungeon
But holy fuck nothing hits that dopamine rush more than having all your CDs rolling and just blasting down with demolish.
grizzled badge
Is there a wowhead list (or any other) for BIS gear right now? Or BIS from the HCs? Or do I have to go thru the loot manually and see where is the best secondaries...
Im getting directed to DF list in wowhead
opal forum
is it even worth it to do all those delve quest?
jagged pier
upgrades etc are unique to your character alone which is why we say sim all the time
but generally right now and for many months
if higher ilvl u equip it
if its the same ilvl with more haste u equip it
done
snow kernel
Would it be dumb to macro Demoralizing Shout with some spell you use often? Just to get a key back. I'm having a bit of an issue with not having enough keybinds since I cant use ctrl and very few with alt.
snow kernel
yeah thats a good point 😄
fleet shuttle
Is there a wowhead list (or any other) for BIS gear right now? Or BIS from the H...
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/protection-warrior-pve-tank-gear-best-in-slot
icyveins has a preseason list, its pretty much just predicated on “haste best, crit-vers good, mastery not as good
none of this really matters cause its all just heroic gear though
so just get whatever to 580 and care about stats later
lusty grotto
its always been ilvl > haste > crit >= vers > mastery
wowhead has a list in the guide too
like i mentioned
idk how hes getting to the s4 "gear list"
none of that means mastery is bad b tw
nor you should avoid it
round cliff
I'm pretty sure the higher up you go, the less the DPS actually know routing and...
can confirm as a long time dps main dabbling with tanks
the first time i saw the newest version of the azure vaults skip was in a high key and i was just like "wtf are we doing rn"
i just follow tank push buttons and hope i didn't blow my cds before something important
opal forum
btw, as a main tank, who never sees other tank in m+ cuz you fill the role. Where do look to see the latest route? I feel like i'm always weeks behind, every time a learn a new route, most likely an even better one came
round cliff
dratnos uploads routes weekly
round cliff
fruiter
zenith vigil
duh, smh nim
round cliff
is this the part where i get called out for the "high key" being like a 9
i exaggerate my stories to be more likeable ok
dont judge
opal forum
i was always on keystone.guru lmao
lusty grotto
no, i just thought you were a fury main or something
round cliff
i am
id play more prot but there's no chance in hell i get a main tank spot ever so i dont have too much motivation to do it
lusty grotto
i was always on keystone.guru lmao
r.io routes link to keystone.guru anyway, they are owned by the same company
but obviously
the routes are different
idk why it still says "+20"
it was like that in s4 as well
lusty grotto
to be fair
a lot of those routes will need some practice
but that depends on what clown-ass tech ends up being used if any
pallid quiver
id play more prot but there's no chance in hell i get a main tank spot ever so i...
Stay DPS, tank in raid is boring as fuck if you're not parsing in almost every case
lusty grotto
feels that way
opal forum
i remember when i had to farm for this venthir umbralla toy for the azure vault skip as a DK lmao
pallid quiver
i remember when i had to farm for this venthir umbralla toy for the azure vault ...
My favorite plan for it was the ol' faithful of
ankh
round cliff
Stay DPS, tank in raid is boring as fuck if you're not parsing in almost every c...
maybe ur right
pallid quiver
Though I don't think it's the case on your end, you also have more control over whether an encounter succeeds or not as a DPS, so it helps with pugging
round cliff
almost makes me wish i was a hunter or something tho, id love to be a mechanics bitch in every fight but warrior is only suited for the occasional burst mobility mechanic
opal forum
im actually scared of those TWW dungeons
round cliff
but hunter actually brain melt out side of head boring so
opal forum
some of them are just weird
lusty grotto
@pallid quiver can you check if theres any WQs up in hallowfall?
pallid quiver
There's the clump of them near spreading the light and 3 closer to Mereldar
lusty grotto
why the fuck am i not seeing world quests
lusty grotto
round cliff
check ur map filter
lusty grotto
round cliff
addons?
pallid quiver
lusty grotto
thats what im checking
lusty grotto
this is my main
my alts are 70 still
i didnt early access
i havent even touched them
pallid quiver
You'll still see the world quests on alts; it shows no rep rewards, though
lusty grotto
world quest tracker
round cliff
dastardly
round cliff
hasn't been necessary since anima tbh
my mood towards world quests now is if i happen to flop past one ill do it while im there
or i get em done while waiting for parties to fill
no need to track
jagged pier
i mean u should do the ones that give coffer key parts
round cliff
isn't that only the fancy locked ones
opal forum
dawnbreaker sound so bad as a m+
im scared of city of threads following ghost phase too
pls tell me its gonna be ok
round cliff
id tell u i like it but
jagged pier
they are all gunna be bad
round cliff
i like all dungeons
pallid quiver
no
opal forum
i enjoy pressing W
jagged pier
im regularly the one to do candles in darkflame
pallid quiver
Darkflame at least isn't in S1
jagged pier
i also regularly have to do 2-3 mugs in cinderbrew
pallid quiver
so we get to delay that pain
pallid quiver
You gotta stay in the light so you can attack the darkness
but the darkness doesn't like light, so it burns out over time
so you have to get more candles to keep the candle lit,
and when fighting The Darkness, you have to pick your party's candle up and move it out of mechanics so it doesn't get consumed by the darkness
lusty grotto
preferably the tank
round cliff
i volunteer !
pallid quiver
On the boss proper, it might end up being a healer angle, since there's no super amounts of damage going out iirc
During the earlier section, you have to run bum fuck into the middle of mobs with a 99% reduced damage and healing debuff on you in order to grab the candle
so i wager that's gonna be a tank angle by sheer virtue of not getting mirked if they find too many friends
lusty grotto
preferably the tank moves the candle out of the frontal, is what i meant
not fetching the other shit
thats deffo a healer's job
woven viper
I think I'm missing something... why is Thunder Blast an improvement over Thunder Clap? It does Stormstrike damage instead of physical. So what?
autumn pawn
It does giga dam
round cliff
big fuck dam
pallid quiver
I think I'm missing something... why is Thunder Blast an improvement over Thunde...
It does a lot more damage, bypasses armor, making it do more damage, plus it generates more rage, particularly if you have the correct talents selected to make it guaranteed give a lightning strike that gives 5 rage
Because it's a modification of Thunder Clap, it also is affected by everything that affects TC as well, so Seismic, Outburst, etc
strong forum
it does 40% more dmg, enables seismic reverb to work with TC/TB, which is another 30% dmg, stormstrike dmg ignores armor, which is another 30% dmg
thats alot of multipliers
strong forum
yes
round cliff
the revenge talent?
strong forum
yes
round cliff
wuh
strong forum
benefits of reading hero talents
round cliff
im a warrior i dont read ..
strong forum
smh
round cliff
i knew that thunder blast does bigfuckdam and that i should press it occasionally
all i needed to know really
jade panther
Hey fellow warriors, quick question that migh sounds dumb, to get smooth 100% up time on SB while talenting ITF, i need the cd of SB to go down to 8/9 seconds right ? (considering SC giving you one SB once every 45 sec) (currently got 12seconds SB cd with ITF)
+Itf seems to give 10% haste and not 8% as the tooltip indicates
violet ginkgo
Thane is crazy... sometimes can get slam reset back to back to back, we basically swimming in rage
lusty grotto
Hey fellow warriors, quick question that migh sounds dumb, to get smooth 100% up...
you shouldnt be playing ITF
we dont have the haste for it
jade panther
you shouldnt be playing ITF
I know but it's the raid spec recommanded atm on wowhead so that's why i was asking
violet ginkgo
You start playing ITF starting on season 2 or 3 usually when you can reach the haste for it.
lusty grotto
oh for raid
yeah so
for raid you dont worry too much about SB uptime
you wont get 100% in it
jade panther
it's okay to loose damage when offtanking and not have 100% uptime ?
lusty grotto
just worry about having it up while youre actively tanking
violet ginkgo
for raid you dont worry too much about SB uptime
but but muh 30% extra damage for SS 
lusty grotto
you certainly need to try to keep it up as much as possible
but high uptime is probably not realistically possible
jade panther
aight tyvm
urban portal
+Itf seems to give 10% haste and not 8% as the tooltip indicates
Haste is multiplicative
So you get more haste the more haste rating you have
formal meadow
Guys quick question, I have my Druid at 4/5 campaign, but my warrior still displays that I need to start the campaign, is that normal or am I missing something?
Is the campaign not warband wide?
lusty grotto
Guys quick question, I have my Druid at 4/5 campaign, but my warrior still displ...
you should have 2 skips
dalaran skip and campaign skips
aka adventure mode
thats all i know, time for me to 
formal meadow
I skipped dalaran yeah
hoary pivot
With a focus on M+, as soon as spark crafting etc are relevant, should I try to max my weapon or my shield forst? First time playing a block tank, I have no idea which things scale with which stats yet.
ebon geyser
what wa or addon is this
ruby berry
Looks like an icon from any number of addons that has a masque skin or custom zoom and border size with also a double countdown enabled, likely a conflict between elv/tuk and weakauras/tellmewhen.
It's not very difficult to do that to any debuff or buff icon in the game with a little tinkering.
ruby berry
❤️
dusky sentinel
@hoary pivot Shield but wait untill tuning has been done to craft anything. Crafting does however follow ur current gear. If u got a good shield. Dont bother. Wait untill Nomeratur tells u what to craft 😛
Almost outdpsed an arcane mage in Rookery hc. (my goal in life)
astral crystal
dusky sentinel
Maaan! @bronze pasture putting me to shame
bronze pasture
Maaan! <@490921675450351626> putting me to shame<:BattleShout:592474529071366144...
😛 are you MT or colossus?
dusky sentinel
MT
Might go into Col cause im just valor farming atm
I like the lightning stuff
bronze pasture
never even tried mountain thane, I just saw mountain of muscles & scars and knew I can't play anything else 😄
dusky sentinel
That was me for the first 3 lvls. Then I thought: "Lets just play what ur gonna play in keys"
atm tho. things are very easy so might aswell test around.
white mauve
Spell protection at the end of Rookery on those stupid little floaty crystals is fun times
Same with the run up to last boss in stone vault
formal meadow
Do you guys have a spell reflect WA?
bronze pasture
is it possible to see in Details! the amount of damage blocked?
jagged pier
nope u need logs
formal meadow
never will
jagged pier
nope its because they arent useful
and hinder u when playing
just because your WA is telling u to SR doesnt mean u should SR
formal meadow
It kinda helps to know that is worth to SR imo
Or what can be SR
doesn’t mean you have to press the button
jagged pier
we get a sheet to tell u both of those things
when its released
and even with the sheet
formal meadow
true but I can’t remember everything that’s on the sheet
jagged pier
ppl all of last expansion
tribal wharf
i typically find out what needs to be reflected after i share a video and someone says i didnt reflect whatever it was
jagged pier
were sending SR on the wrong thing
because it told them to press SR or that they could press SR
tribal wharf
then i start to learn, slowly, but, reflect somethjng not so natural to me
formal meadow
I understand what you’re saying
But that is not what I’m saying here
Call it skill issue, call it old age, I can’t remember dozens of spells I can reflect
If a WA eases that process I think it’s worth it
jagged pier
u need need to remeber them all just the big ones
then
u can literally just press SR on cd
around them
u dont need a wa
jagged pier
nither do i
tribal wharf
you dont, but you dont also need a googlemaps being dictates to you by shitty ai while driving
formal meadow
While slowly learning what’s worth to SR and what’s not
jagged pier
havent even looked at the sheet yet
narrow ether
if sr wa is what makes ur gaming easier, they're fine. eventually u wanna steer from not using one tho
zenith vigil
Someone could also make a WA based on the sheet, should they feel kind to us oldge people
tribal wharf
if i die to something i can reflect, then ill learn, like the 3rd boss of jade serpent dungeon
formal meadow
if sr wa is what makes ur gaming easier, they're fine. eventually u wanna steer ...
I agree, that’s why I said slowly learning what’s worth SR
tribal wharf
reflect gets way more important once keys and zeros come out
formal meadow
Someone could also make a WA based on the sheet, should they feel kind to us old...
The one on the discord supposedly is based on the sheet
zenith vigil
where's that?
zenith vigil
ah
jagged pier
because they dont need to worry about half the things we do
so they can just send it when they are cast on
tribal wharf
computer hacker wizard i am not, i use computers to render demons and then i kill said demons, thats my special ability, not to create weak aura
if i could make addons for wow i would, but coder i am not
formal meadow
where's that?
But yeah it’s mainly for dps as jakey said
I’m curious @jagged pier how do you learn what to SR
If you don’t use WA or check the sheets
tribal wharf
it still works for tanks if we get targeted with spell reflectable, dealing dmg, and we ,ine enough of tgose up on avg per run, more dps faster key
jagged pier
I’m curious <@179993058186625025> how do you learn what to SR
i read the sheet
i run dungeons myself
and see what gets reflected/defelcted myself
jagged pier
its how i know on izo u can SR and not get the root
zenith vigil
simple as
tribal wharf
you will hate spell reflect until you see that it not only stops u frok taking dmg but dmgs enemy
less work for healer when you reflect curse u take 150k dmg per second for 15 second
sometimes, in keys, its basically nessecary, i did over 9000 runs of neltharians lair, finsl boss has some lava shit you basically need to reflect evsry single one on a 20(cap at time) or youd get instagibbed 1 shot
lofty warren
i fell asleep spamming hc dungeons on bear and cant get enough of it as pwar. Just scared bear will be higher on the tier list
tribal wharf
is orator trinjet ovee tuned?
says it doss 800k dmg per second for 3 seconds split, rest of the other trinkets from dungeon journal says like 300k split
and i saw one of orators dmg ticks go for 865k and change
zenith vigil
i fell asleep spamming hc dungeons on bear and cant get enough of it as pwar. Ju...
Already is
But with tanks any of the top3 will get insta invites
It's not like DPS where if you aren't part of whatever the meta is you're fucked
If you wanna push, that is
vague abyss
the tierlist i have seen so far put the prot warrior quite high, with blood dk and guardian druid
neon vigil
Hi guys, since tunings came out yesterday, does it make sense to use the spark for shield crafting?
strong forum
There's still a few more tuning passes ahead
strong forum
Yes
uncut scroll
thank you!
just got it on a quest and was wondering
since i've seen people leave dungeons because they didn't get it lol
tribal wharf
what about orator nome?
this something i should keep?
opressive orrator's something or other, so in essence, the sarge from FMJ
wooden locust
do anyone know if this will come to the raid ? atm it isnt in the loot table
if not the craftes shield with effect is the best or ?
bronze pasture
Hi guys, since tunings came out yesterday, does it make sense to use the spark f...
I'm thinking about using it for a neck, since no m+ necks have +crit+haste
wooden locust
would the effect not be way higher as a neck with haste+crit when you can have haste vers/mas
to be fair krit and vers are nearly on the same level
tribal wharf
i dont u ndrestand wtf blazikon does at start of fight that sets off dmb 100 times
have to shift j i guess
wooden locust
and the question was is the linked shield in game ? will it come with the raid ? if not the crafted shield with effect is the best option ?
ancient oxide
new prot, got a question: due to how much rage in AOE we keep getting and if we get a lucky streak of SS + Thunder Blast, is it better to spend the close to cap rage on IP, even if it's capped or ignore SS and use Revenge? At higher M+ I assume IP won't be capped for long, but just in case
turbid shuttle
and the question was is the linked shield in game ? will it come with the raid ?...
It's bad. No secondaries and no stam. Proc does not make up for it.
Not sure where it comes from but it was on beta
wooden locust
It's bad. No secondaries and no stam. Proc does not make up for it.
it has krit+vers and stam XD
turbid shuttle
Is the tooltip bugged?
wooden locust
sry i tought you mean the shield from ´crafting
turbid shuttle
No the one you linked
wooden locust
Beledar’s Bulwark - Taking damage has a chance to grant you Versatility for 15 seconds, which you can split with an ally by moving near them. It’s one of our best embellishments but it’s overshadowed by the special effect shield from raid.
writen in method guide
turbid shuttle
Crafted shield is apparently not the best. Uptime not high enough.
Oh not sure. Maybe method guide is wrong? Or they're talking about a different shield. Can't say.
wooden locust
nah it is the shield
but its a beta guide
so its old
and the effect from the crafted shield is not that bad its a passiv trinket for you and a member next to you
i dont know XD
i just think about to craft it for my warr
lofty warren
why is this not the preferred talent?
jagged pier
please dont read the method guide
just read the icy veins or wowhead guide
and u dont want a shield with an emblishment on it
wooden locust
i dont like guides at all but sometimes a second its not bad to check something
turbid shuttle
Prob with crafted shield is you're now 3 ilvl lower on your main item forever. Or you lose a spark of you take a shield from vault.
jagged pier
i mean its bad to check the guild ones as they tend to be wrong
look at echos guide they were all half written with AI
jagged pier
and were wrong
zenith vigil
mists so fkken easy blud
jagged pier
at least the icy veins and wowhead guide are written by 2 ppl in here so u can actually ping them and ask them questions about why they say what they say
tribal wharf
ai customer service at computer companies is telling ppl to take out ssd wrap it in tin foil and chuck it in oven or remove ram from the pc you are talking on them to
strong forum
why is this not the preferred talent?
Cuz you miss out on 15% execute, 15% revenge dmg, and on one of the largest rage generators we have access to
To increase a 25% proc chance to 32%...
When TB already guarantees a lightning strike proc
SooooooOOOoo
sacred flare
I dislike the way they do the tool tips it makes it seem like it should be 25 + 30
strong forum
and the effect from the crafted shield is not that bad its a passiv trinket for...
Or just craft a shield with good stats, with a good embellish instead. Or safe the spark until heroic week instead of blowing your steam rn
strong forum
I dislike the way they do the tool tips it makes it seem like it should be 25 + ...
It says 30% more often
Not, increases chance by 30%
There's always tooltip fuckery
sacred flare
like i understand what you mean and what it says now but at first glance i fell like it reads as it is additive
strong forum
But "X happens X% more often" clearly means 1x1.3
At the very first read I understood the same, but that would be a little weird
Having a talent that buffs the main spell by more than twice of the base proc rate
As a pathing node
But then again, thorims might exists
Which is insanely overpowered for prot warri given how frequently we shit out TBs with LStrikes
sacred flare
wonder if saying like ppm on the tooltips would help?
hardy snow
new prot, got a question: due to how much rage in AOE we keep getting and if we ...
we don't care if IP is capped or not, its a rage dump beacause its off-gcd
strong forum
wonder if saying like ppm on the tooltips would help?
its not ppm tho
ancient oxide
we don't care if IP is capped or not, its a rage dump beacause its off-gcd
that's waht I was thinking + you get Ava back faster
Thanks
strong forum
lofty warren
why is this not the preferred talent over thorims might
strong forum
ya ok dude
hardy snow
low quality bait I guess
strong forum
its pepega
lofty warren
i dont know warrior good
strong forum
i was instantly suspicious, but its a legitimate question so lurkers would like to have it answered aswell
so i answered atleast once
lofty warren
in big packs i dont push revenge or execution a lot
hardy snow
yea, tooltip can confuse some ppl
vague abyss
Hhmm should we not use the delve keys? https://www.wowhead.com/news/do-not-use-restored-coffer-keys-until-season-1-if-optimizing-gear-346077?page=2#comments
vague abyss
F
lofty warren
i have so much rage
vague abyss
well only used one xD
strong forum
i have so much rage
more = better
theres not such a thing as "enough" rage as warrior
more is always better
ALWAYS
zenith vigil
Bigly rage
lofty warren
is that because ignore pain stacks?
strong forum
not just that
hardy snow
it would be funny, if all folks keep keys for season start to do these T8 bountiful delves, but they will be too hard with begining gear
strong forum
anger management (avatar +sw), outburst, indomitable
those 3 things
are why rage is incredibly vital
and why more is always better
vague abyss
more = better
I made a simple weakauras that makes an "aura" when rage >= 70, and damn does i hit it very often, i bound my IP+SS macro to a mouse button and i push it a lot
strong forum
vague abyss
we use that to dump rage even if we are already IP full?
strong forum
yeah... nah....
zenith vigil
There will be no revenge pressing in this household
zenith vigil
revenge helps you not die?
lofty warren
not gonna lie I dont know what sw or outburst or indomitable is
strong forum
revenge resets shield slam
zenith vigil
Tru
hardy snow
not gonna lie I dont know what sw or outburst or indomitable is
SW is shield wall, rest are our very good talents
strong forum
having downtime in your rotation because you sent too much Revenge or too much Ignore Pain
and thus can run into the situation of not having a button to press
meaning you are helpless until SS is ready again
keeping your rotation flowing is what keeps you alive
not spamming 1 thing mindlessly
lofty warren
when i was dungeon levelling I went from shield slam to thunder slam back to shield for a whole minute
lofty warren
when to execute in bigger pack vs use aoe
strong forum
idk man maybe the guides have the answer
zenith vigil
idk man maybe the guides have the answer
I don't trust the guide writer, very suspect
formal meadow
idk man maybe the guides have the answer
strong forum
strong forum
same, heard the writer is incredibly handsome
vague abyss
dumb question, it does matter which pact i pick in the azj-karet area?
formal meadow
Is it worth having SS macrod with revenge like IP?
formal meadow
Ah true
static helm
is it worth crafting something now? or should i wait
vague abyss
#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
that should trigger SS right? but i havent seen using it yet
formal meadow
That does yeah, I use it
vague abyss
idk i wouldnt bother crafting anything until season 1, for what? heroics are meh
strong forum
is it worth crafting something now? or should i wait
you can craft non-spark gear
but hold off on using sparks, no reason to use them right now
vague abyss
no everforged defender then 😦
strong forum
it aint running away
static helm
tysm
formal meadow
Btw what’s the best way to optimize gear until s1?
craggy pilot
anyone know what 4x8 cloth farm is?
strong forum
nop
sleek current
Check WoWHead builds Fooshaz, it answers that question indepth.
tribal wharf
you might say..... hes done the numbers
tender cove
in the pins thats where
4th from the top
limpid orbit
no i didnt mean it like that but ty lol
tender cove
You asked for a stance macro and where the pins are?
The macro is pinned.
turbid shuttle
I think he was answering his own question. "where can I find stance macro. in the pins, that's where" - comma makes all the difference.
tender cove
Ohh, yeh, im not english enough to catch that nuance haha
limpid orbit
Yeah, its okay. I appreciate your willingness to help me!
tender cove
🙂
ebon geyser
have they say anything about this AH BS
bronze pasture
can't find a shield crafter in trade chat ;/
tender cove
Ive noticed using auctionator and the mats recipe search and buying through that UI instead of default usually works and wont give the "item not found".
But its not 100% fool proof.
ebon geyser
can't find a shield crafter in trade chat ;/
doing this atm , ty. i mean is a HUGE gamble. sometimes i get the higher price after some not found and sometimes i get cheap price
bronze pasture
yeah prices are super volatile too 🙂
tender cove
Ive noticed prices often 20-50% lower but just a handful of mats and disappear instantly as you try to buy them. Are those bots putting up and sniping buys? Thats why ah lags so much?
ebon geyser
have they said something about this?
sick sentinel
anyone know if racials matter this season coming? if its another dwarf season or anything for .1 keys
Do professions matter for tanking I haven’t looked at anything just curious of min/max
mighty valley
Do professions matter for tanking I haven’t looked at anything just curious of m...
They do not
stiff urchin
we often want to delay avatar to sync it with hardest-hitting abilities, right? but for how long do we want to delay it, what's the upper bound of not pressing it because I'm waiting for some giga spell to comes off cd, I suppose around 10 seconds max?
mighty valley
Personally I only delay it if I’m at the very end of a pack and damage literally doesn’t matter
hollow owl
we often want to delay avatar to sync it with hardest-hitting abilities, right? ...
what gigaspell do you have in mind?
mighty valley
Generally just send it, you want to maximize AM value
stiff urchin
sry, didn't mention, I'm asking if I'm in pure ST scenario or if i'm in raid and minmaxing dps output. in dungeon I understand that I shouldn't think about that too much and just send it
stiff urchin
what gigaspell do you have in mind?
Ravager, Shield Charge, Champion's Spear...
gaunt oar
can't find a shield crafter in trade chat ;/
I can be on later, I’m max skill
bronze pasture
you'd have to be on my realm anyway, i decided to just skill up BS and craft it myself
tired of the chat spam gameplay
mellow quartz
sry, didn't mention, I'm asking if I'm in pure ST scenario or if i'm in raid and...
avatar has a 60% ish uptime, you just send it
mighty valley
Are people disobeying the wisdom of the pins and crafting spark shields
warm plinth
sry, didn't mention, I'm asking if I'm in pure ST scenario or if i'm in raid and...
You never hold avatar unless duration would be wasted. An example would be right before an intermission in a raid fight or right before you need to travel a significant distance in a dungeon and you won't get max value before that happens.
urban bane
even if it would munch a thunderblast proc? 🤔
inland raft
anyone know if racials matter this season coming? if its another dwarf season or...
Dwarf will nearly always be the minmax option because additional defensive with a bleed removal but end of day its such a minute advantage, players who will get .1% could do it as any race they just minmax because theres nothing else to chase at that level
toxic pewter
Kinda wish the free shield slams would light up the shield slam UI thing
mighty valley
Eh, it’s not like it changes the priority
turbid shuttle
it's off gcd. just send the tb and insta avatar
dire sorrel
What’s a good talent to drop for the disrupting shout in the standard m+ build? I was thinking bloodsurge
mellow quartz
yes
dire sorrel
Why not? A lot of the new dungeon have groups just spam casting. You’re going to want to group those up
warm plinth
You are correct. You drop bloodsurge for disrupting
dire sorrel
This is the prot m+ tree I’m seeing, it has challenging shout but I don’t see one that has disrupting.
zenith vigil
Oh ur right I can't read
dire sorrel
Thank you
mellow quartz
but you probably dont need it
strong forum
most spam cast, even after interrupted or even have 2 spells of different schools
so far ive not rly seen a situation where aoe interrupt would be hugely beneficial
but m+ aint out so yeh
warm plinth
M+ may not be out, but you're still cute
strong forum
hard to tell if/where itll have value
paper crypt
Why does mountain thane always play with champion’s spear? can someone briefly go into it🧐
mellow quartz
sims better
tribal wharf
if i spam enough heroics for valorstones i can get to like 588 or somethin
turbid shuttle
seems to me like it can be either or pretty easily. for my char at least, sims like 0.5% better, but the sim assumes you hit all targets with every spear (I think?). In practice that isn't usually the case. For a margin that small usability wins out for me.
for high m+ going spear lets you take endurance training, which could end up being relevant
mellow quartz
I am just going for 580 on my toons, dont see any need to do stupid things to go higher
when we can do heroic weeks you can get 593 in all slots anyway
from just m0
warm plinth
Thane is the m+ tree because of survival, not because of damage. Spear gives more rage than TR (which gives none) and the damage difference is small, which gives it the edge for thane.
tribal wharf
that dungeon where you have to manually fly everwhere i hate the city part of it
so unclear what you are supposed to pull there
flat bramble
what are the part that push us really into spear and no roar ?
tribal wharf
our set that got disabled buffed bleed
warm plinth
what are the part that push us really into spear and no roar ?
@lusty grotto thinking about turning your meme into an NFT, thoughts?
errant leaf
Is Colossus the go to for raid st dmg ?
warm plinth
I believe so
Can check the faq/guides to be sure; I don't normally follow raid stuff
devout oriole
Anyone have a list of pre season BIS items (mainly thinking of trinkets) before M+/Raid comes out? Also what macros are useful?
I tried searching google but only shows bis gear 630+ etc that i could find
mellow quartz
what content do you expect to do d1 of heroic raid week?
tribal wharf
my thoughts is colossus will be strong against fights such as i think its anduin fight in 9.2 and stone fist whatever he is in castle nathria
big solo targets with not many adds that melee for insane amounts
warm plinth
Anyone have a list of pre season BIS items (mainly thinking of trinkets) before ...
Not likely. It's largely unuseful information so it's unlikely that anyone has put together that kind of list.
tender cove
Ive gone my entire life without knowing this even existed and today I found out it did and it, with a little dramatic effect, changed my life... How has nobody told me about this before... Strawberry juice, 98% strawberry juice.. What a game changer in terms of juices 😮
Finished half a liter already, i just cant stop drinking it xD
simple drum
Yeah it’s strong but feels bad to use
Seems like every tank will slowly need to stand in something except us lol
That will be our useful group utility
mighty valley
If they make prot stand in a circle perpetually I’m done with this game
tribal wharf
nah i wont speak nothing dumb into existance
not today, i have an idea in my brain, wont say it
warm plinth
Finished half a liter already, i just cant stop drinking it xD
Careful; you're gonna make yourself poo
tropic tangle
also a lot of sugar without fibre to regulate the uptake
tender cove
Careful; you're gonna make yourself poo
Really? Its bad for stomach?
tender cove
I used to love fruit juice
Coke zero, redbull and 10% water diet here xD
warm plinth
It's not bad for you but it has a lot of fiber in it lol
mighty valley
Even in my soda drinking teen years I was never a coke person, idk the flavor does nothing for me
warm plinth
I drink 98% soda and 2% energy drink
tender cove
Im addicted to the 180ml "airplane sized" coke zero cans. Its just perfection. Always ice cold, 3 good chunks and its gone, always fresh.
twin current
compact mortar
Should we still save our Spark? I wanted to use it on a shield...
compact mortar
Why save it?
warm plinth
You're an embellishment
jagged pier
also crafted gear isnt max ilvl
warm plinth
gottem
jagged pier
so kinda waste to craft a shield u will replace anyways
warm plinth
compact mortar
also crafted gear isnt max ilvl
Crafted gear isn't max iLvl anymore? So what's the purpose now? Just embellishments?
What do we want to craft first then?
Is there a list somewhere w/ explanations?
rigid hearth
wrist / back / waist ?
jagged pier
i mean they werent in DF ither
but the gaps bigger
so u craft what u wont replace first i.e embleshiments
jagged pier
from last i read it was a bigger gap
tropic tangle
nah
warm plinth
It was originally
jagged pier
point still stands tho
tropic tangle
they changed it a little while ago
compact mortar
Okay well for me, who probably won't be raiding and only doing M+ to get gear, why not craft a shield with an embellishment?
jagged pier
because they bad
tropic tangle
you absolutely can if you want, I did for the same reason you outlined (not that I'm saying this is the most efficient or best option)
compact mortar
because they bad
why
compact mortar
because they bad
What specific embellishments are you getting out of other slots? Or what pieces have exclusive embellishments that make other slots worth it?
it sounds like you're being vague because you don't actually know and I'm not sure I should take the advice
tender cove
Speaking of crafted gear, how big correlation does weapon have for prot in terms of dps?
urban bane
people are holding off on naming embellishments because if history is any indicator they are likely going to be retuned
jagged pier
Speaking of crafted gear, how big correlation does weapon have for prot in terms...
everything
flat bramble
did you guys use the IP + ss macro ?
tender cove
So fair to say its as important as for fury/arms? Just to get a perspective
jagged pier
from a dps perspecative yes
tender cove
and shield is "only" important because its most armor and only source of block stat?
jagged pier
What specific embellishments are you getting out of other slots? Or what pieces ...
the usual shield ppl talk about have very poor emblishments that do nothing good compared to other, RIGHT now thats without tuning u can put the emblishment we want onto a shield
but why craft an emblishment on a piece u will replace anyway later on
it makes 0 sense
u will eventually get a better shield from vault
and not taking it would be initing
tropic tangle
I've played enough seasons without pulling weapon / shield from the vault that to me it makes sense to just craft to 636 on first M+ week
but that's a personal choice
compact mortar
but why craft an emblishment on a piece u will replace anyway later on
Because I won't replace that shield because I don't raid, so my BiS shield would be crafted. 636 Haste/Crit would be better than the 639 Mastery/Haste shield I could get from vault, yeah?
jagged pier
Because I won't replace that shield because I don't raid, so my BiS shield would...
no
compact mortar
In that logic then, why craft anything with an embellishment if they'll be replaced by vault gear?
tropic tangle
because in theory the embel covers 3 ilvls of gear, but it's something that just isn't feasible with shields
because of block value
warm plinth
I don't think there's an issue making a shield early personally because I have also gone seasons where I never got a max one
compact mortar
I don't think there's an issue making a shield early personally because I have a...
This is my concern as well
sudden fractal
Def feels good to always have DK dps
tropic tangle
yeah, I just threw dawnthread on mine because it was like 100g and I'm crafting myself
jagged pier
like thats the prio
weakest armour pieces first
because u never gunna replace them with an emblishment
and emblishments give value
compact mortar
It seems like the best time to have a really good shield would be very early
tropic tangle
who knows, maybe fate will just toss myth track shields in my vault to spite me now, but I'm willing to risk it lol
jagged pier
not really because u dont push until like a month or over into the season
standard weekly vault keys dont need the high ilvl shield
tribal wharf
is there a prefered way to pull 2nd boss luitenants dawn breaker? like which order is best and how many mobs is nessecary to kill
compact mortar
fair
jagged pier
never will ppl will be doing those keys week one in gear we have now