Where the heck are the pwar buffs in the balance notes
#protection
lofty warren
tribal wharf
we were already too strong
fallow nova
Ppal is pretty noticeably squishier than other tanks
proper roost
they buffed rsham, bring me to keys in two weeks @dusky canopy
carrying me through a +10 week one is the least you can do for me writing pithy comments
tribal wharf
i just had a heroic with 2 shamans
made the final boss of candle place a joke
tremor'd both of the fears GIGACHAD
dusky canopy
LOL! If I get myself a 10 key you got it
dusky canopy
lofty warren
FDK murdered
dusky canopy
Totally xD
tender cove
Ppal is pretty noticeably squishier than other tanks
Was a little bit more bouncy health bar but didnt think so much about it. Just completed 70-80 with just dungeons.
fallow nova
Everything feels good in leveling dungeons
proper roost
people aren't talking about leveling, they're talking off beta M+
fallow nova
I'm not giga doomer over it, but it did push me to swap to warrior if I want to tank
tender cove
I honestly never have 2 chars this early but leveling has just been a dream this expo, even thinking about leveling a third tank.
Pala feels very nice to play though, cant lie.
proper roost
I mean there is no content for 2 more weeks
tender cove
how many thunder blast stacks can you have? And is there ever a reason too stack them?
dusky canopy
69
tender cove
Not even sure it matters, i just moved keybinds and it popped demo shout and avatar and noticed it said 2 stacks, so got curious 😛
dusky canopy
The egg sac trinket
dusty schooner
Isnt that a dmg trinket?
pallid quiver
Isnt that a dmg trinket?
Two parts to that; you don't need tank trinkets to survive at all, and the tank trinkets that do exist are turbo shit
The damage trinkets themselves are all not exactly good,
and the tank trinkets are even worse at doing what they're supposed to
also, egg sack land gives primary, which means it does give survival benefits
pallid quiver
With trinkets in the state they're in, we're expecting a tuning pass for like all of them,
static helm
is there a sheet with gear ideas?
pallid quiver
so I'd recommend just grabbing whatever you get and waiting to see what the pass does
If you get any trinkets, hold on to them to see what happens
pallid quiver
is there a sheet with gear ideas?
highest ilvl you can grab from whatever content
There's no cantrip weapons to specifically aim for, so the biggest upgrade to anything would be ilvl, since our secondaries are close enough that having more in general, plus the extra primary, is worth more than anything
It's nice to find things with haste, since it is the best secondary to get until you have "Enough" of it, but higher ilvl is always best
zenith vigil
is there a sheet with gear ideas?
wowhead
round cliff
does execute just replace revenge in low target counts?
and do i still prio revenge if its free
pallid quiver
does execute just replace revenge in low target counts?
kinda sorta,
You need to make sure to not overspend on Execute, especially on like, say, a raid boss, since you can give yourself empty globals, which means you'll limit the amount of rage you can cycle since you have to wait on SS to CD manually (or get lucky with devastator)
dusty schooner
do we need to use execute?
pallid quiver
That being said, with thunder blast and the random avatars that can pop up, you definitely get to press execute more than in DF, which is really nice, since Execute also no longer does noodle damage
pallid quiver
do we need to use execute?
It's a damage increase over revenge even in small AOE
round cliff
You need to make sure to not overspend on Execute, especially on like, say, a ra...
what am i pooling rage for? isnt not spending it on execute an empty global the same as if i ran myself dry
pallid quiver
I know for a fact at least on 2 mobs, I thiiink on 3
round cliff
I know for a fact at least on 2 mobs, I thiiink on 3
wowhead says 4 or less
pallid quiver
what am i pooling rage for? isnt not spending it on execute an empty global the ...
you're never pooling rage. You're always cycling it with IP to avoid overcapping, and to have reserves to make sure you never have an empty global
round cliff
pooling was the wrong word
pallid quiver
The base point of the class is to generate rage and then spend that rage
Since just doing that process fuels about half of the spec tree
round cliff
but ur saying dont rage starve myself w/ execute, what would i press instead tho if my builders are on cd
pallid quiver
Revenge costs half as much as Execute if you're at 40 rage
round cliff
feels like id rather wait for more rage then execute more than try to fill globals w/ revenge instead of execute tho
pallid quiver
So if you have exactly 40 rage, you can press revenge, then execute to get two casts to fish for a SS reset
round cliff
ah i see
pallid quiver
Revenge damage scales with the amount of rage you send exactly, so it's not like the rage is exactly wasted
pallid quiver
The main priority is the generate rage, so your rotation is focused on making you able to generate more rage
pallid quiver
with 60 or more rage, just press execute
Pretty much, yeah
round cliff
im trying to maximize buttons pressed for SS procs, i gotcha
pallid quiver
for the record, this gets messed with if you're playing colossus, but that talent tree is oofies for prot
pallid quiver
Only in AOE
In ST, it does comparable damage also at the expense of everything else
round cliff
so since we're only doing heroics rn shouldnt that make colossus a good choice for trivial dungeon content
pallid quiver
Things kinda die still too easily for it to stack up as well; neither spec is particularly optimal, to be honest, so you can play either
But it shouldn't be that much further ahead since things will just be dead before it can get farther ahead
round cliff
w/ colossus we still prio the builders right
lusty grotto
yes
round cliff
ss and clap on cd but we're just dumping more rage on revenge
lusty grotto
yes
round cliff
instead of IP?
round cliff
as little as i can get away with i should say
lusty grotto
correct
round cliff
which in heroics might be not much at all tbf
lusty grotto
right
pallid quiver
nim, i need 15 more crests on my war since i decided to at least push my shield and wep on war to 593 before M0s; the rest of it idgaf, but i'm shy 15 from fully booping the wep
round cliff
does colossus still take the avatar talent that reduces clap cd or not then
round cliff
i dont even know what the other one is anymore lol
pallid quiver
Activating Avatar gives Shield Wall, Shield Wall avatar
so the Prot War version of the DPS war CD versions
it's
not very good
Since it's outclassed by getting more shield walls from the extra rage
round cliff
word
pallid quiver
The average person thinks it's "THE REAL TANK CHOICE" so you might get kicked from pugs
but the average person who plays wow also is incapable of urinating inside of a toilet
tribal wharf
found a really nice shield
turbid shuttle
I notice wowhead guide mentions uptime on https://www.wowhead.com/item=222459/beledars-bulwark is relatively low. anyone here know specifically the proc rate and/or uptime?
lusty grotto
that is indeed a nice shield
lusty grotto
I notice wowhead guide mentions uptime on https://www.wowhead.com/item=222459/be...
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=466607/beledars-blessing as stated here 1.21 ppm
pallid quiver
hate to see it
turbid shuttle
<https://www.wowhead.com/spell=466607/beledars-blessing> as stated here 1.21 ppm
ah nice thanks
lusty grotto
the "its not junk, its treaaaaaasure" line that kobolds have has made me laugh repeatedly so far
pallid quiver
i love kobolds in wow
turbid shuttle
similar question for https://www.wowhead.com/item=222871/duskthread-lining - how much vers is it specifically?
lusty grotto
just like BSL, it will scale with ilvl
turbid shuttle
ah nvm found it
lusty grotto
so at best we need beta data
cause nobody has maxed crafted gear atm
both that one and dawnthread (crit)
which is the preferred one
turbid shuttle
guide might have a typo then. wowhead currently lists duskthread as recommended
lusty grotto
read a few lines down
turbid shuttle
yea saw that just now
ancient reef
pretty newb question but how do yall keep up on your block usage, like if you need to recast it
pallid quiver
Shield Block's duration is affected by 4 potential different shield block uptime talents in the tree; Bolster, Enduring Defenses, Heavy Repercussions, and Champion's Bulwark. You only need 3 of the 4, so Bolster is usually passed on and the others taken.
I bring this up because two of them effectively passively apply shield block;
dusky canopy
so at best we need beta data
“Beta data” say that 10x fast
pallid quiver
Heavy Rep makes it so shield slam gives you duration extensions, and Champion's Bulwark makes Shield Charge apply shield block
lusty grotto
pretty newb question but how do yall keep up on your block usage, like if you ne...
you track it
WA tracker, basically the only tracker you will need
for prot warrior
pallid quiver
So you do your normal rotation, and like Nim said, you track its duration
since you won't only be applying shield block with shield block the button itself
turbid shuttle
pretty newb question but how do yall keep up on your block usage, like if you ne...
a bar that tracks duration. when bar small = press button.
ancient reef
yeah i got this line thing but its only tracking when i press it not when its up
so i think im pressing it when its already up
lusty grotto
thats fine
as long as you dont cap its duration
it will extend it
the duration cap is 3x its base duration
so 18s
turbid shuttle
24s with enduring defenses ya?
pallid quiver
yeah i got this line thing but its only tracking when i press it not when its up
You want to track the buff duration of shield block, and not the abilitiy shield block
pallid quiver
24s with enduring defenses ya?
ye
lusty grotto
yes 24s with ED
lusty grotto
indeed
lusty grotto
erectile disfunction is a hell of a problem
lusty grotto
ED get it
jagged gust
Prot has ED while Arms has DN
lusty grotto
arms certainly has DN
mystic dust
quick question, do you guys think prot will be a top tier tank for the raid or am i wasting my time getting it geared
?
proper roost
This is the warrior discord. The farseer discord is for shaman
lusty grotto
also whoever answers that question please let me know the next winning number of mega millions
proper roost
Why are you guys booing me that was a great joke
dusky canopy
Why are you guys booing me that was a great joke
You got a chuckle from me
lusty grotto
Kanga i had quesabirria an hour ago
🙂
also whats curious is that question is raid meta related, like it matters outside of group buff matrix lmao
since when do people care about a meta tank in raids
jagged gust
pugs trying to get in to an aotc clear week 1
lusty grotto
is this coming from a classic player or somethign?
well ive also heard SoD cares about tank meta for raids, but i put those 2 in the same pile
mystic dust
no just asking cause my guild will have me switch if it is shit
proper roost
Kanga i had quesabirria an hour ago
Yoo nice maybe I'll get it for dinner. Have to hit 80 on my shaman tonight tho!
open bluff
quick question, do you guys think prot will be a top tier tank for the raid or a...
It’ll be a top 6 tank for sure
lusty grotto
tell me youre not tanking mythic without telling me youre not tanking mythic
gloomy ether
maybe top 7
jagged pier
tanks filla different role to whats good
its mostly whats needed by the team
so they mostly fill buff roles
i mean dk and monk are usually broken for prog tho
cause stagger
and cause AMS
doesnt mean warrior is bad tho
lusty grotto
if youre not doing RWF/HoF, your tank pick does not matter
jagged pier
^^
lusty grotto
also early pushing mythic raiding
jagged pier
low tier/bad mythic guilds think it matters
lusty grotto
anything outside of those matters 0%
lusty grotto
how about your rogue tank
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
my fucking SoD addicted buddy keeps telling me about it even though i wont touch it
so im very well informed
proper roost
so sorry to hear that
jagged pier
I’m doing CE on my shaman tank
I FUCKIGN WISH
lusty grotto
shaman tank dn
proper roost
i DMed nish my best transmog last night and he didn't even respond
jagged pier
gargle on this shaman tank
proper roost
Kinda fucked up
lusty grotto
lmao
nish ghosting everyone lately
smh my head
dono walled
yooo
this awakened cache thing is kinda good
well a good idea at least
lusty grotto
real fossil
anything outside of those matters 0%
You must overcome normie perception, not be better or good
Meta classes get faster invites independent of skill or ability
Most fotm rerollers blow chunks
And it’s easier to reroll than to find friends 🥲
real fossil
Even in a raid
warm plinth
Don't crack shame nim
lusty grotto
you get invited with AOTC achieve, class doesnt matter
tribal wharf
its a raid
lusty grotto
there is no tank meta in raids
tribal wharf
all mages, all warriors
lusty grotto
not in puggable shit
tribal wharf
like, 1 or 2 druids or priest
tribal wharf
i mean hell, everyone played wow and raid has the story of " i was playing with this one guild and then one day hunterravenX showedw up, and he took my spot, but it was cuz hunters got a huge buff"
proper roost
god I hate that yogi is an asmongold viewer
like it checks out entirely of course
But why couldn't we have cured him
warm plinth
Yogi hell is a bad word
obtuse dove
Should I save crystals, or is it safe to buy gear with it now?
jagged gust
fuckin eh yogi, good on ya buds
proper roost
so true i've never cursed in my life
lusty grotto
its not trash, its treaaaaaasuuure
warm plinth
so true i've never cursed in my life
the frick you haven't
proper roost
ii am a good christian boy
dark cosmos
raid tank meta = play worst possible class so dps dont have to
proper roost
@waxen frigate you're tweeting but you're not responding to my transmog
I see you and I will lifegrip you into death
woven estuary
this is nuts
woven estuary
you either cant pull more than 2 mobs without wiping or someone complains ur not pulling enough so you do then you wipe anyway
pallid quiver
you either cant pull more than 2 mobs without wiping or someone complains ur not...
that is an interesting world you live in there
i'm going to continue pulling entire hallways in confusion
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
ah yes, its that time of the day again
tribal wharf
thou shalt not covet thy neighbours high score, LMAO
proper roost
you either cant pull more than 2 mobs without wiping or someone complains ur not...
this is so true!! we need to go back to 2001 when people would let TANKS be TANKS!
heroics are TOO hard!
pallid quiver
bro 2001 and pre-2004 mmos were somethin'
lusty grotto
weird you say that and tank ego is still a thing
proper roost
nim do you think i'm gonna be able to hit 80 on my shaman in 3 hours (it's 70)
lusty grotto
yes
proper roost
if you believe, i believe
lusty grotto
believe it!
karmic epoch
My first WW experience as a tank was conbrew. Charged the first pack and pulled the whole room. 
proper roost
what's the problem
woven estuary
heroics are TOO hard!
never said it was hard
its fine il ljust do big pulls from now on and blame healer
neon elk
Yo guys, probably was asked ( hopefuly) before, but has anyone else any issue with FPS drops using TC with MT hero talents ? If so is there any fix ? Tried various grafic settings, nothing seems to help
keen leaf
does demo shout have any offensive traits anymore? or just a pure defensive now?
lusty grotto
does demo shout have any offensive traits anymore? or just a pure defensive now?
read Booming Voice
neon elk
Like, my rig isnt exactly best but so far i can do everything , doesnt even sweat during raids , was better during pre patch event with 200 people, now everything is good, but once im on war and press TC my fps drop by like 30-40 and i get a micro freeze
keen leaf
ah there it is, i forgot what it was, thanks
lusty grotto
its not the game otherwise it would happen to other people
might wanna check the forums
brazen matrix
quick question for a returning player who never really spent time reading and doing sims, which site is the "best" for guides? If there is one that is. wowhead, icy or maxroll? always used wowhead
keen leaf
do u have TC in a macro?
lusty grotto
quick question for a returning player who never really spent time reading and do...
not maxroll, thats chatgpt
we support both wowhead and icyveins, our mods write them
either is fine
neon elk
its not the game otherwise it would happen to other people
All i found so far is redit post with 2 people saying they have same issue , only with mountain thane TC
brazen matrix
ah ok, then wowhead i go! ty for reply
mighty valley
maybe a gpu driver update?
lusty grotto
All i found so far is redit post with 2 people saying they have same issue , o...
i can think of just 1 person that said something like this out of a sizeable number
and trust me
im pretty much eternal in here
neon elk
maybe a gpu driver update?
Nope, everything is up to date
lusty grotto
do you play other games
neon elk
Yea, idk what it could be honestly, whole rig was my first thought, but then it will affect other things as well
lusty grotto
have you checked youre not connecting your monitor to an onboard gpu or something which is a common mistake?
neon elk
Ye but nothing demanding .. i do play other chars on wow tho and they are fine
lusty grotto
instead of your actual gpu
neon elk
It literaly affects only my war and TC
mighty valley
ah well... guess you have to become a colossus chad
glacial eagle
dont do it its bad I have been told
tender cove
Like, my rig isnt exactly best but so far i can do everything , doesnt even swe...
I have a 7800x3d and 7800 xt 16gb. While I havent lagged on warrior? I have crazy lagspikes and frequent on prot pala. No idea why, tried tons of settings.
neon elk
Nah its on regular gpu
lusty grotto
anybody have the pre-written macro for ss and sb together
the what?
zenith vigil
the what?
i am psure someone smart in here said you can macro tem together if you do it in a certain way so that you snipe procs more easily
but i could be le wrong
lusty grotto
i mean if you wanna snipe SS procs
tender cove
I have 3 brain cells
#showtooltip Shield Block
/cast Shield Block
/cast Shield Slam
That?
lusty grotto
any form of it will do
zenith vigil
whew god damn thank you, my brain cells were working overtime
tender cove
np:p
zenith vigil
there's not really a downside to it right?
cuz you almost always wanna SS when you get the reset
zenith vigil
isnt that what you wanna do like 95% of the time anyways
lusty grotto
the downside is you using TO SHIELD SLAM
tender cove
I think he means to snipe ss procs, we talked about it earlier.
lusty grotto
as in your only shield slam bind
remote tusk
It should be your Shield Block bind, not Shield Slam bind.
lusty grotto
other than that, no there's no downside
mighty valley
the only mild downside i find with macros like these is sometimes it ties up the gcd with a shield slam instead of an offensive CD
neon elk
It can screw your violent outburst sometimes tho , cant it ?
neon elk
Its tied to SB which consumes rage, if u are at 7 stacks redy for 8 u pop SB and if u have it ready then u pop insta SS with outburts, dont you?
lusty grotto
yes
neon elk
And there might be scenario where u would rather pop outburst on Tc
neon elk
Isnt it at like 8 targets or something ?
lusty grotto
ideally yes, but the dps loss from using it is not as impactful
keen leaf
Nimchip says dont track violent outburst at all, you heard it here first bros
lusty grotto
i didnt say that at all
neon elk
Interesting , okej then i said nothing .
lusty grotto
what the fuck are you on about
keen leaf
Im kidding, nobody freak out
ornate thicket
You get a lot more rage gen using it on shield slam
Might be a case for a huge pull with thunderblast proc also but if you always sent into shield slams would be majority of time ideal
lusty grotto
you wont be using an SS macro a lot anyway
tender cove
What % gains are we talking for that and snipe SS procs? So i know how much it matters.
lusty grotto
so that situation specifically will happen only rarely
proper roost
Zero if you just press your shield slam button correctly
mighty valley
What % gains are we talking for that and snipe SS procs? So i know how much it m...
uh. kind of depends how bad you are at naturally hitting ss resets asap
keen leaf
even if u do, my IP macro hardly ever catches a SS proc anyway
keen leaf
its like maybe 1 a dungeon tbh, so a pointless "arguement"
lusty grotto
it def does catch vanilla SS procs
ornate thicket
The issue with macroing ss and sb together is you may end up using shield block and wasting uptime on it at tail end of a pull. You lose control of the active mit
mighty valley
it catches the ones where the server knows about the proc before you do
lusty grotto
The issue with macroing ss and sb together is you may end up using shield block ...
noi
keen leaf
I dont think anyone was talking about sb?
tender cove
uh. kind of depends how bad you are at naturally hitting ss resets asap
How do you lose uptime on sb? you just dont press it? Or?
lusty grotto
i made it very clear that macro is not for SSing
tender cove
I quoute wrong person harrow and now i dont know how change xD
ornate thicket
I know you did nim. Was just saying in general for OP asking for macro
ornate thicket
True. Saw someone ask for it other day too. But it was more of a shield slam macro with sb baked in and not other way around
lusty grotto
i made the same mistake and then just read "snipe"
mighty valley
it's one of the historical Questions
lusty grotto
we're too conditioned to think people just use shit incorrectly lol
mighty valley
along with how much vers before i'm allowed to tank
lusty grotto
lol
tender cove
how much is it? 😛
lusty grotto
dont worry versa andies have been filtering through already Harrow
jagged gust
If your vers aint double your haste, are you even tanking?
waxen quarry
mighty valley
if it's less than 20% you are not getting into my +3
lusty grotto
everyone dislikes VDHs coming out of DF but.. i do feel bad for their discord with the amount of idiots thinking that versa was a good stat for them
it was, just not as good as crit
jagged gust
motherfuckers always be trying to ice skate uphill
lusty grotto
so thankfully with the VDH haste/crit stats we're probably seeing a whole lot less of versa andies in here
though they still fall through the cracks
pallid quiver
i want 1,000,000,000,000 vers, thank you
mighty valley
take yo ass back to bfa s4
pallid quiver
i'd take that any day
jagged gust
I'm just happy when my tank isn't using a homebrew talent build
(He says in the prot channel)
pallid quiver
I'm just happy when my tank isn't using a homebrew talent build
I sometimes wish they would, because it drives me nuts when people talent into things they literally never use
tender cove
I sometimes wish they would, because it drives me nuts when people talent into t...
Me and spellblock :x
pallid quiver
oh fuck thanks freak, that reminds me that i wanted to update my spellblock wa
jagged gust
Oof yeah, spellblock hasn't made it's way in to my muscle memory yet >.>
mighty valley
you'll start using spellblock some time after you start dying to spells that weren't blocked
tender cove
you'll start using spellblock some time after you start dying to spells that wer...
that usually does it yeh haha
jagged gust
One would hope
pallid quiver
you can't go wrong if you just press it after shield wall falls off in a bungo trash pull
that'll get you a lot of use out of it until you need to be smarter with it
mighty valley
yeah it's like the classic advice for "when should i use shield wall"
well, pressing it on cd would be better than what you're doing now, so start there
jagged gust
Nelth gave me a crash course in spellblock, but I think you're right, I need to start dying more to figure out what actually matters
I didn't play beta though so I cant tell what actually hurts yet
mellow quartz
SB is mandatory in Mist given you can get double Guardian packs.
tender cove
Im also horrible at spell reflect for the DR portion, keep forgetting its more than just the reflect :x
lusty grotto
thankfully Sense's sheet is updated
mighty valley
oh yeah spell reflect is free real estate
jagged gust
I'm more of a visual learner
lusty grotto
i am as well
but i check back on the sheet after something hurts
and then its memorized for the entire season
failure is the best teacher after all
mighty valley
hanging out and reading the collective experience of what packs prot warriors hate is also useful
jagged gust
Once I started reading the weekly number of m+ runs, I realized there's a near to zero chance I will ever see a particular pug again, and it made failing that much easier
proper roost
not until you start getting into top 0.1%
tender cove
unpopular opinion around here im sure but dont you think prot has a little but too big toolkit? Like, ok, its great that you have something for everything and it adds to the skill ceiling but 4 offensive abilities, 5 if you talent into boon for shout. In an opener, for a tank class. runs away and hides
mighty valley
man i'd find it a lot harder to learn if i was playing without friends, the early season keys that are slightly outside of your comfort zone but you struggle through anyway are so good for learning
jagged gust
Compared to the toolkits of other classes? No shot
proper roost
i don't know how you could make that claim if you look at literally any other tank
pallid quiver
unpopular opinion around here im sure but dont you think prot has a little but t...
mage has more defensives than we do
proper roost
prot warrior has always been one of the simpler tank specs by design
pallid quiver
we are tankier, but they have straight out more defensive CDs than we do
tribal wharf
rigid pilot
Safe to use spark to craft everforged defender? Or still wait?
proper roost
making that claim is basically a self report that you are playing other classes poorly
mighty valley
i don't think you mean toolkit, but i agree that we could shave off one "press this on cd for damage" button and be just as fun
pallid quiver
Safe to use spark to craft everforged defender? Or still wait?
Wait until Mythic raid week at the least I would personally say
tender cove
Ive heard that a lot but its high apm, it requires pressing all your buttons in the right scenarios. How is that easier than say bear or pala
Or even 2 button vdh?
pallid quiver
you shouldn't need a craft until that point if you're doing higher level content
jagged gust
hey, stir the larynx is my special move
rigid pilot
Alright thanks! Just seems so boring to wait haha
mighty valley
It's 99% gonna be fine to craft the shield but you don't need it to do any content rn and you'll feel silly if they random buff some other crafted embellish or something
tender cove
making that claim is basically a self report that you are playing other classes ...
i dont think i play any class particularly good lol. Maybe just barley above the people facerolling the keyboard?
ornate thicket
What you need to do is chain a twinkie to your mouse and dangle it on your keyboard and chase twinkie with your mouth
real fossil
i dont think i play any class particularly good lol. Maybe just barley above the...
You play too many classes then!
inland raft
I play any class i play at varying levels of godlike ability. It maybe the god of failure and shit but still godlike
pallid quiver
I don't think I play Prot War well, but I objectively have to acknowledge that I'm at least on the less bad end of the scale based on all the logs I get to see and compare against
tender cove
You play too many classes then!
Its more like, i grew old and have businesses, fiance etc to take care off. So the time I have is casual at best while my heart is hardcore. So I come here and pretend and feel the energy 😄
real fossil
I feel ya on that ha
That’s why I only play like 4-5 specs and pretend everything else in the game doesn’t exist
This long release before heroic week has been a godsend
inland raft
Growing old is real i dont really have much financial stress but i just started school again after all these years to get another degree, it is a adjustment for sure
Feels like i need to really deficate free time yo studying instead of gaming when last time i just showed up to class took notes and read them once before exams and had a 4.0
past cobalt
is Revenge only for the Deep Wounds? like should I just shield slam and thunder blast in M+ even in big packs?
inland raft
Deep wounds in aoe, and in the rare case actualky have nothing else to press
Its lowest prio
tender cove
Growing old is real i dont really have much financial stress but i just started ...
Thats the fked up thing. I finally have enough cash to buy the biggest and baddest computers, consoles, you name it but no time to enjoy it lol 😦
inland raft
Im well positioned financially and even a cost of living adjusted pension too that on my own i could never work and live quite comfortably, the catch is i have another half who wants more then comfortable lol
But for the best if fully quit working at my age studies show it actually reduces life expectancy
tender cove
yup. Same, i could technically have retired and lived off investments and passive income. And now? I have 3 businesses, no time, constant stress, not very happy and I cant retire until I make them a success. And same.. "You cant just play video games and smoke weed all day".. I could, i really could have xD
ornate thicket
Men need projects to live
tender cove
Very true. I think everyone needs some purpose or larger goal than just "existing".
ornate thicket
Lot of people retire and go downhill fast if not active in some sort of hobby or travel
tender cove
I think the issue is finding the balance and working on your terms rather than being forced for whatever reasons, from putting food on table etc.
inland raft
Ya thats a bug thing, knowing i can walk away and be fine
Takes a huge load off, like im not working during school so next couple years school is my job. But im also taking a lot of courses ill be doing 4 year in just over 2 i think on track for 5 semesters
tender cove
Im kinda opposite, i messed up a bit and overextended the investments and while I dont have to be profitable first year? My retirement money is in it, so i have to make it work and get my money back.
But not complaining, its a dream come true to be honest, thats why I overextended a bit 😄
made me sound so old, retirement money, im not even 40 yet xD
Is there anything I dont need but think I do and have it keybound anyhow?
Thinking like intimidating shout, stomp etc.
tribal wharf
why do we take intervene now?
jagged gust
MT buffs it
bronze pasture
lol I had avatar on shift 1 too, i hate it there :p
lusty grotto
why do we take intervene now?
jagged gust
gives a magic absorb for like 300% your armor
bronze pasture
I have it for extra mobility
tender cove
intervene is on the charge macro i assume?
yes:)
lusty grotto
and like, calculated armor? so in combat
multiply your armor by 3?
as it says in the tooltip
tribal wharf
i wondered if it was pre or post armor calculations
like if you do something that increases armor or a buff
lusty grotto
huh
tender cove
Wait, the guide didnt have it as talent so I just assumed storm shield was the wrong choice (lazy readin icy since i cant access wowhead).
But I should have vene talented?
lusty grotto
like if you do something that increases armor or a buff
its not so complicated
just multiply by 3
jagged gust
stormshield is the only option in that node, the alternative is a literal downgrade
tender cove
stormshield is the only option in that node, the alternative is a literal downgr...
it read really nice but since the talents i took from icy veins didnt have vene it was "impossible" to pick that in my head.
Its on me, i should have read a guide on the hero talents.
jagged gust
share your talents, I'm curious what you're trading it for
tender cove
that said, the triple stun isnt too bad, had some fun chains with it.
jagged gust
yeah but a 10 sec increase on timer, yikers
tender cove
share your talents, I'm curious what you're trading it for
Im also curious, i legit just took whatever it said on icy viens and copied it, didnt look twice xD
jagged gust
I mean maybe things have changed, a lot of choices i wouldn't make on there
tender cove
Im GEO blocked from wowhead, so i cant access it. And someone here said it was identical to wowhead guides so i just went with it.
lusty grotto
i said it was identical but you didnt quite get the part where that was prepatch, and this is not prepatch
tender cove
Must have missed that part.
mighty valley
hmm your thane choice nodes are almost all flipped from the wowhead guide
jagged gust
yeah now you drop the second point of cruel strikes for champs might, drop rumbling earth and pick up intervene
Also I personally really like second wind
tender cove
hmm your thane choice nodes are almost all flipped from the wowhead guide
Ohh, those I just winged it to be honest while leveling xD
jagged gust
storm shield, keep your feet on the ground, flashing skies, thorims might for your choice nodes
tender cove
Took Aoe/m+ from icy now. Is it correct?
jagged gust
yeah better
lilac creek
Yo everyone, have peole crafted anything with spark yet?
jagged gust
hell nah
lusty grotto
not if youre smart
misty imp
Took Aoe/m+ from icy now. Is it correct?
I don't think there is any "correct" way to build talents.
It's just about understanding your choices and knowing ur goals imo.
If you plan to go m+ i think you're going to make some changes still, looking at this build you have now. Just imo tho.
lusty grotto
we dont pay your sub, but we do recommend builds here
if you dont think there's a "correct" way to build talents, not sure why you would be here to begin with
misty imp
I'm here to talk about my favorite spec. Relax lad. No need to be so deffensive lol the moment someone shows different view on the game. Damn
lusty grotto
we've dealt with your kind before
im sure you will start parroting how your favorite build is the one people would pick
contrarian like
mighty valley
when they say "relax lad" and the lad doesn't relax...
misty imp
What is wrong with you? I just came here to talk about my fav. class and your immediate response is such hostile approach? The hell is wrong with u kid?
lusty grotto
welcome to skyhold
misty imp
What does discord server has anything to do with your inability to behave properly?
lusty grotto
what are you, my dad?
misty imp
Don't hide or blame server.
zenith vigil
what are you, my dad?
He's out for cigs
lusty grotto
for real
misty imp
Like do you actually realize how pathetic you rn? I literally came here 5 minutes ago and look what you caused already? Jeez
lusty grotto
you really seem to be upset about all this
zenith vigil
barely rated
lusty grotto
maybe you should take a step back
misty imp
you really seem to be upset about all this
Of course i am. I just came here and you literally start attacking me without any provocation
lusty grotto
i had every reason to
misty imp
maybe you should take a step back
You are the one who needs to take a chill pill and learn to control
lusty grotto
turns out when you put your opinion on the internet, other people can comment on it
misty imp
turns out when you put your opinion on the internet, other people can comment on...
There is difference between expressing opinion with respect and telling someone to gtfo just because of different opinion
lusty grotto
yes
youre finally getting it
because we dont deal in opinions
we deal with facts
misty imp
Wdy do i even have to explain this to you? Are you 9?
zenith vigil
I don't think he said GTFO tbf
lusty grotto
and there IS correct ways to build your warrior
misty imp
and there IS correct ways to build your warrior
There is none.
zenith vigil
l0l
lusty grotto
thanks for proving me right
yet again
didnt i say so in the first reply lol
youre free to start your own discord to make sure people understand your reasoning
misty imp
didnt i say so in the first reply lol
Your first reply was to tell me to gtfo so no, again wrong
zenith vigil
Was it?
lusty grotto
nah, more like keep your "there is no correct way to build" opinion to yourself
zenith vigil
He asked you why you were here, that is not saying "GTFO"
misty imp
youre free to start your own discord to make sure people understand your reasoni...
Don't worry i don't plan to stay here, seeing how toxic community is building up here lol. You can keep it.
I feel sorry for u
lusty grotto
bye felicia
dark plover
U guys twelve or?
zenith vigil
13
lusty grotto
9
wispy goblet
Chernobyl
zenith vigil
and there IS correct ways to build your warrior
I just copied the top rated warrior tank why can't I do his key levels
tender cove
how does darkflame last boss work? it was just dark and candle going out in 1 second? 😒
warm plinth
I have a friend who has been banned 3 different times for making those jokes
tender cove
if you dont think there's a "correct" way to build talents, not sure why you wou...
I dont care enough to read up on every little talent but I care enough to not be blatantly or knowingly wrong. Thats why i come here and just take whatever you guys decided whats best.
warm plinth
Pretty sure that was directed at the guy who was gonna be in here talking about random ass talents that should not be recommended to people in this type of environment.
tender cove
I know. I was just talking in general and agreeing with nimchip about "why are you even here then".
pallid quiver
feels fucking bad to spell reflect a world mob, and it's only a deflect
lusty grotto
pretty much Ghash
and you know those people always try to answer others with their picks and never have any math to back up their claims
proper roost
what just happened
lusty grotto
bouncer work
lusty grotto
no, this is pretty much classic nimchip
pallid quiver
I'm fairly positive Nim's always been like this
lusty grotto
lol yea
pallid quiver
To be completely blunt, he's always been fairly confrontational
proper roost
i've always been kind AND cute
lusty grotto
i think the problem is that i always hit the jackpot when it comes to these people
its not a dumb superpower, but i just can tell after a certain point
pallid quiver
I think the problem is that you dig too deep at people, to be honest; you go full blast on almost everyone, and not everyone has good coping mechs for it
tribal wharf
is it wrong for heroics?
lusty grotto
especially in real life touch-grass land
tender cove
I think the problem is that you dig too deep at people, to be honest; you go ful...
You will attract far more bees with honey rather than vinegar and get far more stings trying with vinegar. Or smt like that.
tribal wharf
someone recently posted different talents to one i showed
pallid quiver
is it wrong for heroics?
You can run literally any talents as long as you've spent all points and get through heroics fine
tender cove
I had some prepatch talents. And changed. Maybe that confused you, death.
pallid quiver
That being said, those are the optimal for everything we've got atm
jagged gust
I swap shout for second wind, because it's great in open world/90mob pulls
pallid quiver
The only times I've gotten that low, second wind would not have helped
some mobs have abilities that do stacking damage, so i've taken like 50% in a single pop before
tribal wharf
Took Aoe/m+ from icy now. Is it correct?
this talents i think it was
tender cove
this talents i think it was
Those are the ones from icy veins. Listed under M+/Aoe.
mighty valley
dammit nim I wanted that guy to talk about the beauty of all the talent options he saw
tender cove
I know absorb is counted as heal and as such IP is a "heal" but it doesnt increase the hp. Do we have something besides vr that actually heals?
tribal wharf
only differnce i see looking closers is the one above it has rumbling
lusty grotto
dammit nim I wanted that guy to talk about the beauty of all the talent options ...
lol, im sorry
mighty valley
I know absorb is counted as heal and as such IP is a "heal" but it doesnt increa...
indomitable
pallid quiver
Indom is your main non-leech form of healing, hence spending rage
Though you also have a free 8% leech from the class tree
tender cove
Ahh, yeh, forgot about that one.
zenith vigil
lol, im sorry
Tbf low-key useful cus otherwise the guide writers would have to do all the "this is wrong"
tribal wharf
my group thought i was a bot tank cuz i was puasing to talk her elol
pallid quiver
based
mighty valley
that's rude yogi
pallid quiver
Yogi the Machine Overlord
mighty valley
give your group all of you
tender cove
wait, death is yogi? You changed name?
tender cove
the what?
tender cove
is that some minecraft tournament?
tender cove
ahh, never been a mobile gamer.
tribal wharf
like, its always been desktop primarily, laptops
but more recently they swapped to something more akin to way wow launches with its own launcher and then you can also play it on phones now
tender cove
I googled it. Never seen it before. The name have a vague cling to it but nah, cant even remember seeing anyone playing it.
Any good?
dusky sentinel
Regarding the healing talk. I just did 151k overall on rookery missing a healer for half of it. IP and indom does very high "Healing" if u just play aggresive
pallid quiver
It was really big back in the day; I never enjoyed it
tribal wharf
original wilderness was something god damn else lemme tell ya lol
was partially due to novel to player kill so smoothly a real player, but it was the truest form of pvp i think, deeper you go, more shit can attack you and harder mobs you find
harder it was to escape..............
dusky sentinel
dropping a bomb here. But what about Lineage 2 classic!
tender cove
It was really big back in the day; I never enjoyed it
Wow was my first mmo. Was always a big fan of RTS and FPS games, wasnt until wow until well, every other game took a back seat.
warm plinth
My first MMO was EverQuest Online Adventures for the PS2 🙂
tribal wharf
runescape and its not even close
i was there in the cardboard cut out killing goblins and cows days
jagged gust
Classic Dransik
warm plinth
When I first started playing WoW, I spent like an hour just jumping and sitting around Mulgore
jagged gust
It was like a runescape ripoff iirc
zenith vigil
dropping a bomb here. But what about Lineage 2 classic!
Let's get you back to the nursing home
warm plinth
Because you couldn't jump or sit in EQOA
jagged gust
Dude you remember wall jumping?
mighty valley
i played ragnarok online... miserable game. loved it
jagged gust
peak gameplay was trying to hop on top of the IF bank by climbing the wall
dusky sentinel
No no no. Honestly. I know its way off now. But when L2 dropped. It was beautifull.
warm plinth
Wall jumping in what
tender cove
When I first started playing WoW, I spent like an hour just jumping and sitting ...
I was so immersed in wow the first year lol. Was insane, dont think ive ever felt so alive in a universe before and I was a big big fan off warcraft 1 and 2. Didnt like it as much when they went into the 3d models and then had a period where "I was to old for those type of games" so took until end of tbc to get into wow and then it was just goodbye to every other game.
Which was mostly just copies of Westwoods studios Dune 2, which was THE rts at the time, way before warcraft.
lusty grotto
@pallid quiver did you do the kobold quest where a kobold has you as their pokemon LOL
mighty valley
dune 2 was incredible. how on earth did we put up with it
mighty valley
selecting single units at a time, manually scrolling map... jesus christ
lusty grotto
its called Beat the Best
tribal wharf
group didnt know how the brew master fight works i guess
tender cove
selecting single units at a time, manually scrolling map... jesus christ
But be honest, did you ever feel it was an issue at the time?
yeh, thinking back though? what on earth was even that xD
mighty valley
nope, it was the coolest shit in the world... and i was playing it on genesis/mega drive
tribal wharf
i wonder if there is weird stuff with that like only 1 person can hold the beer
tender cove
nope, it was the coolest shit in the world... and i was playing it on genesis/me...
I struggled so so much with the last mission against everyone and that stupid missile that was unavoidable on a stupid timer if i dont remember wrong xD
dusky sentinel
That fight can bug out if u dont kill all the adds before fight. Dunno if it is of relevance @tribal wharf
tribal wharf
you have to clear his entire room before pull you say?
dusky sentinel
Yeah. U dont "have" to. But it can bug out
All the aggro adds that is. U can leave the non hostile
tribal wharf
they kicked me and yelled some bs at me but i can LFG terrorism again in 2 more minutes
lusty grotto
what a bunch of dicks
tribal wharf
well, i dont know deep intracies of how fights and packs work.... yet....
tribal wharf
have vague ideas of how stuff works
dusky sentinel
If ur looking for the tactic it is to deliver the beer to the guys drinking by the table. But yeah. People dont tolerate it after 3 days
pallid quiver
<@111288222750924800> did you do the kobold quest where a kobold has you as the...
I don't think I have, yet
tribal wharf
is it really doxxing if its usernames for an online video game
pallid quiver
I didn't take the chance to hit many of the side quests in Ringing Deeps because I'm pretty fascinated by the spider people
lusty grotto
no not really yogi
pallid quiver
I'm also really enjoying all the time you get to spend near Anduin in Hollowfall, because that just feels iconic to me, since my favorite xpac was MoP time
and after all these years, i'm just kinda invested in anduin as a character
dusky sentinel
To be perfectly honest. If ur being "evil" ingame. U do have some in you in real life. Go for it!
tender cove
Do you guys have some like opener macro? Is there even something that can be done? Its just feels so much spending 4 globals/buttons on just to open a pack.
kind urchin
I'm also really enjoying all the time you get to spend near Anduin in Hollowfall...
Watching Anduin grow up over the years has been pretty awesome.
tender cove
long as they dont mess up his come back, they better allow him to believe in himself and go total apeshit and dominate or im disappoint 😦
mighty valley
you can't really macro gcd abilities, they've removed all the ancient ways of making the game play itself by mashing
it's just practice though, it becomes second nature
tender cove
it's just practice though, it becomes second nature
i guess. Was thinking of removing something, like ravager and add it later but maybe better to just practice from the start
mighty valley
this is why i like the pre-charge ravager throw
tender cove
hmm, you dont like to collect/round up packs and get aggro first? I thought the pre throw was more for raids/bosses?
tribal wharf
ravager first is pretty common
tender cove
maybe thats what i do wrong? I aggro 2-3 packs. Make sure I have aggro and then try to line all of them up, ravager, booming voice, spear, sc etc and it feels like I legit "pause" combat, trying to push 5 offensive buttons.
mighty valley
well it’s somewhat situational, if you’re pulling multiple packs that are very far apart then you’ll hopefully have a team that knows not to go insane while you get them running towards you
tender cove
yes for ravager.... ???? for spear
I try to do it for any pull that i know is signicant and where it will pump.
tender cove
well it’s somewhat situational, if you’re pulling multiple packs that are very f...
just playing pugs and this random guild.
Figured ill just play until I find someone that I enjoy playing with and not put too much pressure on it all like last time :x
Usually good time to make some friends 😄
warm plinth
hmm, you dont like to collect/round up packs and get aggro first? I thought the ...
Throwing the ravager on a pack is generating aggro
Throw Ravager on the pack nearest where you're going to be pulling to, heroic throw the far packs so they run to you
Then start setting up for the demo/spear/sc
mighty valley
you’re not really “pausing” combat, right? you’re pressing your highest damage buttons, locking in threat for the rest of the pack
proper roost
yo why does yogi hate minecraft
tender cove
you’re not really “pausing” combat, right? you’re pressing your highest damage b...
Pause was poorly phrased, more like I dont generate rage or push anything, so I cant IP or SB.
warm plinth
But so is yogi so
tender cove
Throw Ravager on the pack nearest where you're going to be pulling to, heroic th...
ill try this, thanks:)
warm plinth
Also charge + avatar should give you enough rage for shield block
And then your shield charge will refresh it
mighty valley
Most of the CDs generate rage
proper roost
all of the "five offensive buttons" you're pressing generate rage though?
somewhat questionable take
mighty valley
BV, shield charge, ravager… spear does too, right
tribal wharf
i think city is the best dungeon
tender cove
somewhat questionable take
Sorry im not the most articulate person but thats how I feel. Just like its too much going on for me. Its not that im trying to convince you that warrior has to much going on lol 😦
mighty valley
I get you, there’s a lotta buttons on pull, plus all our off GCD stuff, it’s the most stressful part for sure
But the feeling that the pull is “unsafe” is mostly mental, when you get it down it’s genuinely when we’re strongest
You’re just trying to press a lotta buttons while also remembering what the pack does
proper roost
I don't really follow how you look at combat at all tbh
Every fight is just a series of GCDs
What happens on pull or anything within the pull at all really is independent of your GCDs
tender cove
I get you, there’s a lotta buttons on pull, plus all our off GCD stuff, it’s the...
yeh, in itself its not THAT hard but soon as I have survive, learn/see new fights, mobs, do rotation and combine it all? I struggle a bit. Doesnt mean im handicapped or unable to do it, just i dunno. Just a baddie i guess lol.
proper roost
With the exception of when you throw stuns or stops, since those are on gcd
but everything else, it's like... no matter what you will hit shield slam if it's off gcd, whether you're at 10% hp or 90%
I don't really follow how you would view combat in wow in any other way differently
mighty valley
before you’re practiced a chain of different abilities in a specific sequence is just a little harder than a prio system of a small number of abilities
like freak is saying it’s easy in a vacuum but I’m not surprised that newer prot players feel stress during the opener
tender cove
I read that fives times kanga, no idea how to reply.
proper roost
You shouldn't feel stress over a videogame, but anyway, it's just a checklist
Why overthink it
Rage is the simplest resource system in the game on purpose
You press the buttons that give the most rage in order of what is most rage
That's why ravager is high because it makes the rage
that's why shield charge is high because it (essentially) grants additional rage on top of the actual rage it gives you, by giving you a sblock and a freevenge
mighty valley
yeah man I don’t know what to tell you, people feel stress playing video games lol
warm plinth
What I would suggest is, find some target dummies, pretend it's a real pack, and just practice opening completely on that pack, like as if they are actually hitting you and everything. And just do that until you feel comfortable just pressing the sequence of buttons
If you can get the sequence down to muscle memory, it'll free your mind up to think about other stuff
mighty valley
it’s like combos in fighting games, you can get them on lock in training, then play enough real games til you’re hitting them in real scenarios every time
turbid shuttle
don't take it personally. the default response in any class discord to a newer player expressing difficulty in executing a thing is a bunch of mid-level players furiously masturbating about how easy the thing is and how stupid the player is for struggling at anything at all. occasionally you will also get some people being genuinely helpful.
proper roost
I love how easy The Thing is
but i also love not taking anything about the level of skill on a videogame personally because literally who cares how good you are at a videogame
zenith vigil
don't take it personally. the default response in any class discord to a newer p...
Separating the wheat from the chaff is the skill worth having
warm plinth
To be fair, I don't think that's what is happening here. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I don't think it's happening now.
I don't think Kanga was trying to be rude at all. He is just having trouble relating to how Freak thinks about the game.
proper roost
you just have to view wow like a robit. like a sim.
i love optimizing gcds. wow. so cool
tender cove
don't take it personally. the default response in any class discord to a newer p...
I really dont. I have no illusion about me being a world first player or whatever. And its weird, i dont struggle at all on paladin, even have enough time to wog, bop other players and support but on warrior? I just cant get it together.
But really, its not a big thing, I was more just curious about tips and tricks but mostly just making conversation.
warm plinth
Having played both, prot pally definitely has a LOT less going on at the start of a pull compared to a warrior with all CDs available.
tender cove
haha
proper roost
Seraphim was boring
tribal wharf
wrong
tender cove
weed out all the casuals from playing ppal
Why do you feel like that? Does it matter?
ocean valley
ong
proper roost
he took the bait
ocean valley
seraphim can suck a fat one
tender cove
bait or not, you choose it so lets hear it xD
tender cove
seraphim was goated
any maintaince buff is lame, seraphim included.
lusty grotto
tank fun factor nimchip tier list activated
tender cove
tank fun factor nimchip tier list activated
has vdh had any signicinant changes to gameplay or still 2 buttons?
zenith vigil
tank fun factor nimchip tier list activated
I'm allergic to being at the top of a tier list, pls delete
mighty valley
through DF it sounded like they oscillated between 2 buttons and 2 many buttons
but idk, couldn’t catch me playing that spec
tender cove
but idk, couldn’t catch me playing that spec
same, had kinda fun with bear last expo* and monk always decent. Still never got around to bdk yet.
lofty warren
bear can do the biggest pulls i think
lusty grotto
bear can also smd
tender cove
bear just felt very comfortably secure for lack of better word description xD
lusty grotto
and make me sleep
lofty warren
BUT blizz has added all these annoying ass mobs to fear and spam cast spells
mighty valley
bear can also smd
oh you’ve been playing bg3?
tender cove
Most fun caster dps? Destro lock any good?
tribal wharf
only heroic i havent got yet is SV
mighty valley
Casters are very taste based
If you wanna do a cast bar and then see a big number, destro is a good one
warm plinth
Destro has chaos bolt which automatically makes it fun
toxic pewter
ele shaman my most fav
tender cove
If you wanna do a cast bar and then see a big number, destro is a good one
Im i allowed to say I just want something easy that does OP pump? xD
zenith vigil
If you wanna do a cast bar and then see a big number, destro is a good one
But on the other hand, fights with a lot of movement be like
proper roost
tank fun factor nimchip tier list activated
Rate
tender cove
But on the other hand, fights with a lot of movement be like
this, a big reason why i hate melee, boss moves and suddendly you stop hitting boss. Ironically also why i love being tank xD
tender cove
i even forgot shadow priests existed, i think healer when someone says priest :x
warm plinth
Night Freak
zenith vigil
i even forgot shadow priests existed, i think healer when someone says priest :x
If shadow priest wasn't turbo m+ meta I would too
We'll see where they end up this szn
tender cove
If shadow priest wasn't turbo m+ meta I would too
hmm, how difficult is spriest?
or nvm, i have to sleep lol. its 8 am now. Night.
zenith vigil
Haven't checked since last xpac, don't know what changes they got
cerulean tusk
proper roost
Not sorry but unfortunately for you my list is 100% accurate.
Get back to pressing power infusion and afking nerd
tribal wharf
what ilvl can we get to with just weathereds and stones
roguhly,, i saw nome ahas like 586 probably 588 if i know him
btu he did a crafting thing where he said he spent 100k
am 581 my self(bags)
jagged gust
I think your only limitation is how many crests you can manage to farm, all reps gives crests at certain levels so your true cap depends on how much you farm
but like 580 is the highest with purely stones
fleet shuttle
anyone got a colossus build that maximizes dmg for heroics?
pallid quiver
stop at 580
I personally got 571 in most slots, upgraded shield and wep to 593, and that's it
round cliff
should i buy the 584 shoulders from renown
we get better stuff before raid dont we so maybe not necessary
fleet shuttle
i mean if you got the resonance crystals why not
not really anything else to spend them on
round cliff
mounts, eventually
warm plinth
Why are some of them a different color
round pendant
is it me or is them nerfing classes before raids or m0 comes out kinda stupid
fleet shuttle
better now when nothing matters
lusty grotto
and thats certainly not the last of the tuning passes
round pendant
They nerf shit because it's doing good in dungeons where bosses die in everyone's burst windows
🤔
lusty grotto
thats what you think
they have internal data tools
and a lot of those were certainly stronger than other classes coming out of beta
round pendant
better now when nothing matters
Nothing matters until Mythic and M+ comes out anyway
I mean they're only mostly small nerfs
And I don't really buy that they're just going off internal data when they explicitly state it's partly based on player feedback
fleet shuttle
the balance stuff was for sure from boomys screeching
fluid widget
boomys were nerfed fun fact
soft tusk
is there a reason why prot pally will suck in M+?
zenith vigil
Lot going on, tons of buffs to keep track off to play well
fleet shuttle
pretty sure rogues are also the least played class, so makes sense they get no attention because theyre not loud enough
*next to evokers
zenith vigil
Big punish if you don't play well on pala
pallid quiver
Enha did need to be reigned in a bit, since it was mega popping for zero reason, for example
and that was seen on beta and the like, too
lusty grotto
the only one i dont necessarily agree with is elemental
and just shaman in general just feels bad, they always get absolutely dunked on in pre-season
im not exactly sure if those nerfs impacted them a whole lot, but they had already gotten nerfed in beta
lusty grotto
pretty sure rogues are also the least played class, so makes sense they get no a...
sin rogues are pretty high in damage profiles, idk what youre on about
playstyle wise though, theyre on the same boat as boomy, where their hero trees did jack shit to address their weird unfun gameplay
warm plinth
saying rogue is the least played class is actually wild though
lusty grotto
they apparently are
warm plinth
That will basically never be true as long as PvP exists
fleet shuttle
idk what to tell you other than they are lol
warm plinth
Where are you getting that information from?
soft tusk
hey guys
warm plinth
I'd love to see it
soft tusk
Do we ever hit the "slam" ability?
warm plinth
Nope
fleet shuttle
lemme find the post
warm plinth
Leave it off your bar
lusty grotto
I'd love to see it
soft tusk
Not even for single target?
soft tusk
damn
warm plinth
Where did they get it from lol
soft tusk
Prot Pally op?
pallid quiver
im not exactly sure if those nerfs impacted them a whole lot, but they had alrea...
For tempest, at least, iirc it's actually a damage increase until 8 targets.
This is ignoring the 4% hit to damage, ofc
lusty grotto
i see
soft tusk
How does Spell Block work and what's the benefit in a dungeon (M+)?
lusty grotto
a lot of these nerfs were merely love taps anyway
pallid quiver
it lets you block spells
So you can apply block to magic damage
which is
Very strong
In an M+ dungeon, let's take Uldaman from DF as an example
soft tusk
Let's not
pallid quiver
You know how those guys who would just cast on the tank with stone blast?
soft tusk
I quit after season 1
pallid quiver
uhhhhh, then
soft tusk
something from season 1?
lusty grotto
RLP first pull
lusty grotto
ez spell block
pallid quiver
RLP first pull
lusty grotto
pull massive, press spell block, no damage taken
pallid quiver
Know all those casters chucking ice at your face?
pallid quiver
You now reduce the damage you take from those by anywhere to 60-100%
soft tusk
it just blocked their damage?!
lusty grotto
you do need to have shield block up for spell block to work
pallid quiver
because crit block on spell block ignores the normal crit block cap
It's really fucking good
lusty grotto
and our SR sheet by Sense also lists spell blockable abilities
pallid quiver
The only downside is that Blizz can just choose to have a given spell be unblockable, but generally that's reserved for magic dots, and even some magic dots are spell blockable
soft tusk
just trying to get a feel for the ez play class.. 😄
pallid quiver
To get an idea what spell block does, let something a pack smack you with shield block off, then let them hit you with it on
lusty grotto
🍿
mighty valley
pallid quiver
That's what spell block now lets you do to spells
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
yeah im aware hes a prot pally andy
pallid quiver
Nim's a Prot Pala hater
So you'll have to live the fire of his fury
i'll probably at least touch prot pala while i'm levelling a rock dorf, so he'll hate me too smh
lusty grotto
well i hate the gameplay, not the players
soft tusk
I am having fun with Warrior
pallid quiver
It's the splash damage, Nim
soft tusk
I was overthinkin the class a lot
lusty grotto
and i mean the tank gameplay, babysitting is the only fun part about it
pallid quiver
Yeah, there's minimal thinking with Warrior involved
soft tusk
but u literally ignore everything over SS and TC lol
"My Revenge procced" .. ignore it at all times
"Single target slam?" Ignore ti at all times
pallid quiver
Almost all things are send on CD, and the rotation's only depth is the make sure to send outbursts on SS in ST, Thunder Blast in 2+ targets, or send on SS if TB not available
soft tusk
I need to be more liberal with my burst cds
pallid quiver
It's a lot of pressing fast, though; on average, it's been the highest APM tank in the past seasons/xpacs, and Mountain Thane only gets faster from DF
soft tusk
Holding my avatar like my wings lol
pallid quiver
though not to SL S3/4 levels
Yeah, anytime Avatar is not on CD is wasted CD reduction
soft tusk
I been trying to break off that habit of "imma gonna old avatar"
pallid quiver
So you only don't send it if a pack is like 2 seconds from dead
lusty grotto
a lot of us dont love how simple it has become, but it is what it is
banner gameplay was indead peak
pallid quiver
I honestly don't think it's that much simpler than almost every single other spec in the game, but I also play fighting games where there's not straight solutions to problems
soft tusk
the one thing I am having trouble with is properly utilzing my Shield Wall
lusty grotto
@mighty valley LOL
soft tusk
D:
mighty valley
Time for the classic tip
Just start off by sending that shit on CD and you’ll realize how often it comes back
soft tusk
Shield Wall?!
mighty valley
Then you’ll start to learn the danger times you should hold it a little for
jagged gust
there's really not a high skill ceiling amongst tanks
that's what makes warrior so fun, even if it's simplistic, APM makes my brain happy
mighty valley
Yeah, talents combine to make it <50s cooldown