protection

[tribal wharf]

valorstones starting to go a bit dry for me but whatever who care lol

[raven jewel]

If I'm wanting to main a tank, is prot warrior a safe bet?

[lusty grotto]

im like 550 or something since i just got to 80 last night

[jagged pier]

ye

[dawn coral]

It’s fun af that’s for sure

[lusty grotto]

all tanks are safe bets

[waxen frigate]

Yea

Nooberatur

[dusky canopy]

Loot heroic gear valor stone it to 580
Farm 7 8 7 renown for the 584 epics
Craft 590 gear

[weak zealot]

Yo. I dont see the alchemist's stone on the wowhead article. Anyone know where it stands compared to the other trinks?

[dusky canopy]

Yuge pre raid bis

[lusty grotto]

its ok

[dusky canopy]

Farming valorstones is the worst though

What is it like 30 per dungeon

[weak zealot]

10 per boss. 30 for last boss

on average, 50-60 per dung

[dusky canopy]

Probably like 2k to get everything to 580 or something

[autumn roost]

You know you could just take it slow you got a week and a half

Craft a bunch of 590s that way you don't have to upgrade that many pieces

[dusky canopy]

Oh dude I am going slow I haven’t even run a single heroic yet

Just been questing in 561 greens

It’s what 30 crests for the enchanted crest?

[autumn roost]

Yes

With next week, you can have pretty much every slot at 590

[dusky canopy]

Holy moly I’m super behind then I haven’t farmed a single crest

[lusty grotto]

behind who

[dusky canopy]

The lower crests are super free though iirc

You can get well over the 90 cap right?

[dusky canopy]

Your MOM

HAH Gottem

[lusty grotto]

fair enough

[tribal wharf]

helmet doesnt even have a track associated to it so omegalul

[fair narwhal]

cap is 90/week, crests from rep and shit don't count towards the cap, easiest way to farm crests that I've found is flying through the glowing orbs in hallowfall can easily cap in like 20 minutes

by 9/10 reset I believe the total available crests will be 360 + rep stuff, so vaguely 15 590 crafts

[mellow quartz]

All these low tier crests become useless in like 2 weeks

Might as well just send them

[lusty grotto]

^

[fair narwhal]

yeah for 590 stuff the only barrier is gold, if you upgrade stuff from 580->590 it's 45 crests per piece instead of 30 for crafting

[mellow quartz]

You don’t need to pay any good to upgrade anything to do m0’s in 1.5 weeks

Seems a waste of gold to me unless you plan to rush into heroics and absolutely need the gear first day

Just run m0’s and get 593

[lusty grotto]

its a waste of gold regardless

but alas, its wow, people want to overprepare to do m0s and normal LOL

[fair narwhal]

if you're a tuesday raider and trying to full send on reset it's worth looking into if you can't do an m0 tour before raid

[lusty grotto]

happens every exp release

unless youre pushing for RWF/HoF, its not worth looking into

my guild literally said "just be 580", thats it

and we're going for CE

[autumn roost]

You will struggle with heroic more than a group that is full 590

[fair narwhal]

yeah with 2 weeks to do nothing BUT get to 590 I'm not sure why you wouldn't unless you don't have the time/gold for it

[lusty grotto]

and water is wet, thanks leafman

[autumn roost]

But I do agree that there is a difference between people who are trying to hit Hall of Fame or even like top 450 world versus someone who is " going for CE"

[dusky canopy]

I’m planning to craft full 590s so that my heroic week 1 full clear is that much easier

[autumn roost]

It's good to tailor advice to what you're trying to do

Like if you're not a Tuesday raider, it may not be worth it because you'll have time on Tuesday to do some stuff

[lusty grotto]

the vast majority of people that come here are not even touching mythic raids

[autumn roost]

Absolutely

[lusty grotto]

so yes, tailor-made

[autumn roost]

I agree

[waxen frigate]

Debatable

[autumn roost]

Good morning nish

How are you doing today

[waxen frigate]

Skill matters much more. An aotc guild that’s 590 and a CE guild that’s 580 will not be equal.

[autumn roost]

Well of course

[fair narwhal]

10 ilvls of player power is still 10 ilvls of player power

[autumn roost]

That obviously goes to me without saying, but it's worth saying if you think that it benefits folks

[autumn roost]

Busting out the bieber

Are you warrior this season?

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

its early nish

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but balancing time and fun

[waxen frigate]

Potentially but doubtful

Given officers my opinions and options

[autumn roost]

I think that there is a discussion to be made about whether or not it's needed, but there can be no denying that it is beneficial no matter who you are

[dusky canopy]

If I can cap crests in 20 minutes and only have to spend gold to get full 590+

[waxen frigate]

I’ll be playing brew or prot, whichever they would prefer to have the raid buff guaranteed on

[dusky canopy]

That’s easily worth

[waxen frigate]

If they wanted to bench either Dps role from those classe

[fair narwhal]

capping crests is literally 20 minutes of flying through orbs yeah

[autumn roost]

What guild are you with now?

[lusty grotto]

the canned fish mafia

[autumn roost]

Lmao

[dusky canopy]

L O L

[waxen frigate]

https://raider.io/guilds/us/area-52/No Big Deal

[lusty grotto]

speaking of which

[autumn roost]

Where do I know nuanced from?

I've seen the name but I can't remember where

I've been out of the wow community too long

[waxen frigate]

I raided with him in ndvr and he was on BDG in Amirdrassil

[autumn roost]

BDG was probably it

[waxen frigate]

Recruited him to be my cotank since he wants to go casual again

[autumn roost]

That's awesome man

It's nice having a co tank that you trust

[waxen frigate]

Ya

[autumn roost]

Well it sounds like you're going to have an exciting season, I hope it goes well

[waxen frigate]

He’s new to tanking but he did fine in fated

He’s gonna play blood so it’s hard to die anyway lmao

[autumn roost]

I wonder if they'll ever add more grip type abilities to other tanks

Although I guess it's sort of dks thing

The DH one is so weak

[dusky canopy]

They should make our heroic throw attach a chain to the target

[waxen frigate]

[dusky canopy]

And we can press it again to yoink it to us

[waxen frigate]

You missed vdh supremacy

[autumn roost]

Did I?

[dusky canopy]

We’ll be like scorpion

[waxen frigate]

What if they made heroic leap have a super small aoe mass grip and a 2min CD

[dusky canopy]

Hmmm that’d actually be neat

Not 2min though

[autumn roost]

Oh no

[tacit smelt]

Hi @autumn roost 😊

[autumn roost]

I see a duck

[waxen frigate]

Vdh was disgustingly broken for s3 and s4

[autumn roost]

God damn it

[dusky canopy]

What’s chain sigil cd

[autumn roost]

I saw the duck

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[tacit smelt]

Lol

[autumn roost]

I hear ducks eat fish

[dusky canopy]

Im a non awarer

🤓

[autumn roost]

Speaking of tanks you can trust

I highly recommend nobody tanks with the duck

[autumn roost]

He will take every external

[tacit smelt]

Yea they do, sadly can't play WW due to lack of time so I come back as a mega casual

[dusky canopy]

Quacker no quacking

[autumn roost]

Well I hope that you enjoy being a mega casual

I have quit the game entirely

[tacit smelt]

I didn't buy the exact yet XD

[cold pilot]

The one thing worse than being a poor, is being a quitter.

[autumn roost]

Okay, gay sea otter

[tacit smelt]

Quiting wow is a lifetime achievement

[cold pilot]

I blow other dudes, out of the water

[autumn roost]

Well I think that's enough warrior discussion for me for the day

[dusky canopy]

I don’t think I’ll ever quit wow

I’ll ping you later king

[waxen frigate]

Look up the initial talent tree for prot warrior when they were announced for DF

[dusky canopy]

[autumn roost]

Wonderful

[tacit smelt]

I see you still making guides larias

[dusky canopy]

He mostly guides DN

[crisp nexus]

Most people can quit playing wow but they still keep up with news and updates every time a major patch happens

[lusty grotto]

i sure didnt when i unsubbed in SL

fuck that exp, i didnt want to know shit about it until i came back in s4

[crisp nexus]

I played S1 for like a month and forgot about it

[tacit smelt]

Very respectable approach to SL nim

[lusty grotto]

ty

[tacit smelt]

After I downed mythic sire, my drive taned

[dusky canopy]

[tacit smelt]

Tanked

[lusty grotto]

sire was a banger though

[tacit smelt]

True

[lusty grotto]

well, cn as a whole

[tacit smelt]

I miss sludgefist tanking with larias , he was on his brewmaster and not taking damage since shield block did 98% of the work

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[waxen frigate]

He knows

[lusty grotto]

where has jeree been nish

what have you done with him

@lusty tiger hello?

[lusty tiger]

Hi handsomes

[lusty grotto]

hi

can we expect more lunch pics for TWW?

[lusty tiger]

I got a new job so no more Chinese food

But yes you can see my daily cheeseburgers

[lusty grotto]

oh sweet

[dusky canopy]

Shit I was going to ask how the chinese food was

Some goons sound so good right now ngl

[lusty tiger]

Gooner alert

[dusky canopy]

I said what I said

Crab Rangoon gang

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[lusty tiger]

Nish showed me pickup artistry so I’ve been living my nightmare of talking to women

[dusky canopy]

Stop talking to the ones that don’t play WoW

[lusty grotto]

cooties

[dusky canopy]

Do yourself a favor

Or find one that’s cool about WoW like mine

She reads

Works out great

[twilit burrow]

ik its pre-pre-season but i think my stats are pretty good:
10,490 crit
10,096 Haste
1,815 Mastery
4,387 Vers

[dusky canopy]

You need atleast 10.5k Crit to que heroics

I’d shift enchants around

[twilit burrow]

damn i need 10 crit

[lusty grotto]

for sure

get back to us then

[twilit burrow]

Yes boss

[lusty tiger]

Strictly church girls only

[lusty grotto]

ah yes, jeree is eating good then

[dusky canopy]

Bro she ain’t going to do that thing you like

[lusty tiger]

🤔

I wouldn’t know

I do know though that online meeting girls older than 25 is a scam because most of their photos are from before they were 25

[lusty grotto]

very true

[warm plinth]

I have never encountered that in my life

[lusty tiger]

Lucky

Omg bro 1 second in to talking to you guys and I begin saying things that would have me perma’d in the holy Paladin discord

❤️

[dusky canopy]

That’s why you don’t hang out in the paladin discord

[lusty grotto]

paladin disc is for out of touch boomers and lincolns

[lusty tiger]

It’s a place for Europeans that hate Americans

[lusty grotto]

ah yes

[warm plinth]

What if you're an American who hates Americans

[lusty grotto]

then youre a proper american

[icy flax]

That's me

[lusty tiger]

🇺🇸

[waxen frigate]

Heyyyyyyyy

[lusty tiger]

Hey

[waxen frigate]

I’m banned

[lusty tiger]

Omg how

Ur so pg

[dusky canopy]

Less than 12

[waxen frigate]

No

I angered the Ret paladins

[frozen egret]

Did you guys used your spark already to craft the shield?

[autumn roost]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[dusky canopy]

Is it like the Naowh discord where you ask a clear and simple question incase someone might know the answer, and they tell you to fuck right off because it’s not Naowhui related

[waxen frigate]

No I went in with the intention of trolling them and I did really really well

[lusty grotto]

big success

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-1812735758324318601

[lusty tiger]

Omg u beast

[lusty grotto]

wow

[lusty tiger]

This is why you’re the goat

[dusky canopy]

Lmfao

[lusty grotto]

thats a very convincing troll

[dusky canopy]

Banned for that

Clown fest

[lusty grotto]

thank god we dont do that here, i cant wait until a non-troll does it

[chilly brook]

based

[lusty grotto]

as it always happens 🙂

[icy flax]

How are the hero talents feeling in heroics(no Sims just feelycraft please 🥺😭)

[lusty grotto]

yes

it feels like tacos

and tacos are good

also spicy, if your taco isnt spicy, youre a big puss

[runic cliff]

I was once banned from a guild for quoting monty python joke about tarts giving away swords... evidentally the word tarts was not socially aaceptable

[dusky canopy]

Man Tacos sound so good right now too

I’m hungry now

[chilly brook]

real and true

[warm plinth]

I like enjoying my food, not having it blowtorch its way out of my ass later.

[dusky canopy]

That’s no fun

[lusty grotto]

whats your delve.io score?

cause it seems its very low

[lusty tiger]

The genies face when I spend my 3rd wish on a 3rd taco

[warm plinth]

What's a delve

[lusty grotto]

and id like to listen to experts not noobs

[dusky canopy]

Bunch of noobs lacking Delves score

[lusty grotto]

also not puss in boots

[dusky canopy]

Smh

[dusky canopy]

You didn’t specify what kind of taco

[warm plinth]

Please tell me delves.io is a real thing

[dusky canopy]

Do it quick

[lusty grotto]

sir?

[dusky canopy]

Sell it for big bucks

[teal topaz]

Shield slam !!

[dusky canopy]

Thunder Blast!!

[lusty grotto]

shield block !!

Tacos !!

[runic cliff]

THUNDERCATS HO!!!

[lusty tiger]

Mammoth, saber tooth tiger, and dodo

[lusty grotto]

a man of taste

[neat parrot]

is there a thread for crafted items that we want??

cuz i cant find one on faq's

[dusky canopy]

Wildebeest

#1269008707103096843 message

[rancid peak]

Sorry for the stupid question but should I build rage and dump all at once or should it be builder-spender-builder-spender

[lusty grotto]

the latter

well

not specifically

your rage bar needs to be bouncing between 30 and 70ish

constantly

[rancid peak]

Okay that’s good advice

[lusty grotto]

dumping all at once IS BAD

never starve

never overcap

thats it

[rancid peak]

Okay then between veng and IP as required

Thank you!

[lusty grotto]

just IP

revenge isnt used to burn rage

its only used if SS and TC are on cd

[rancid peak]

Ah okay thank you

So helpful

[lusty grotto]

thats what brew's mom tells me

GOTTEM

[blazing condor]

👎

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Congrats, you're the first person to ever call Nim helpful

[blazing condor]

besides brew's mom

[lusty grotto]

why didnt i think of that one

😢

[lusty tiger]

😳

Brews mother is a respectable lady

[lusty grotto]

yes

[lusty tiger]

I know this first hand

[lusty grotto]

she def gets around, so i dont doubt it

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/squirtle-sax-squirtle-epic-sax-gif-9114541324807947557

[sullen trellis]

hey did blizz take out heroic throw to multiple targets ? ?

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

in prepatch yes

[dusky canopy]

Chris Kyle 06’d that ass

[sullen trellis]

ok thanks have not been on my warrior for a few months

[dusky canopy]

Disgrace

[lusty grotto]

unfortunately youre gonna have to delete it and start again

per warrior tradition and custom

[dusky canopy]

I think some point in this expansion I’m going to level 9 more warriors so my entire login screen is only warriors showing

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[runic cliff]

Bro i hear you like warriors, so we got some warriors for your warrior!

[proper roost]

nim can you carry me in heroics later tn 👍

[lusty tiger]

A true warrior heart

[lusty grotto]

i cant

[proper roost]

why not?!

[lusty grotto]

i just got to 80 last night lmao

[lusty tiger]

Hi kanga ur so sweet to me in the sod discord

[proper roost]

yeah i'm 78 right now

[lusty grotto]

also gotta do ffxiv reclears

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

which i should be doing right now, but im delving

LOL

[proper roost]

what's the point of doing delves rn aren't the ilvl capped way lower than heroics

currently

[lusty grotto]

idk my guild said to get tier 3

so im doing the tier 3

[proper roost]

that takes like 2 minutes

Anyways does your guild need a healer

or a rdps

[lusty grotto]

shhh sir im exploring

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

im sure we will eventually

30 man going into it, probably lose 50% on whatever wall boss shows up this time

[dusky canopy]

Kanga all you need to do this week is collect the delve keys

Everything else I wouldn’t bother

[proper roost]

Sheesh! What happened to being guildless all of DF

[dusky canopy]

Oh cap the crests I guess so you can craft a full set of 590s

[proper roost]

i was just gonna get to like ~580 on my main (hpal) and level a couple backup alts

[lusty grotto]

i joined a guild in s3, didnt work out, joined another guild and liked the homies

plus i enjoyed the raids

[dusky canopy]

Kanga idk how much you remember but on my adventure to my first CE you gave some advice and i succeeded

Sark and Fyrakk achieved

[proper roost]

yooo nice

i guided you to a treasure i could not possess...

[dusky canopy]

“Signs of a bad guild don’t waste your time”

[proper roost]

[dusky canopy]

Think you were on echo at the time idr

[proper roost]

yeah I quiet quit on echo and my guild died like 500 pulls into sark

🫡 kinda want to raid again but only 1 or 2 days

[dusky canopy]

Ye 2 day is bis

I tried 3 that was to much with family

[inland raft]

Im too lazy to farm heroics and such, im not world first raider and i know i can do m0s easily so ill just knock those out the week they out

[dusky canopy]

If I was a single college kid again I’d raid 6 days a week lmao

I’m fiending

[proper roost]

gotta start the guild search again soon maybe

maybe i'll hit 3k io first

[dusky canopy]

Why stop at 3k

[inland raft]

If not in a high end guild who cares about little min maxes that only matter day 1 of season and only barely

[proper roost]

or whatever the equivalent of 1% is in s1, probably will be more like 2800

[dusky canopy]

Go for 3500 like me

[proper roost]

not good enough

[dusky canopy]

1% was like 3200 ish give or take last season

[proper roost]

oldge

[dusky canopy]

Iirc

[proper roost]

yeah it jumps roughly 200 io every season

[dusky canopy]

Oh hello you said s1

Yeah that was around 2850ish I think

[lusty grotto]

i havent even touched normal dungeons LMAO

[dusky canopy]

Only for the quests

[lusty grotto]

except for the 2 that the story makes you do

[dusky canopy]

Imagine farming heroics

Couldn’t be me

[lusty grotto]

just seeing people hard cap ilvl this week, while i cruise around at boomer speed, aka snail pace, on this campaign

[dusky canopy]

Tbf if I was a work from home guy I would afk heroics all day too

[dusky canopy]

Yeah you’re not missing out at all

Might want to get the campaign finished before Friday for the world quest delve key but other than that

No rush at all

[lusty grotto]

im not worried about it

ive seen enough exp launches lol

[dusky canopy]

Yeah even then it’s all replaced during heroic week

Well

The delve 8 key loot is heroic ilvl

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[dusky canopy]

But everything else is useless

[lusty grotto]

thats something i gotta work on, i dont have any keys

so i gotta do some world quests and shit

[dusky canopy]

That’s the world quest thing I mentioned yeah

You get two a week from that quest iirc

[lusty grotto]

yup

im aware

[dusky canopy]

I’m barely aware

Totally afking with my hand held this expansion launch

[lusty grotto]

[proper roost]

ok you have to do a +10 with me in week 1 though @lusty grotto

i will heal. We will be owning

[warm plinth]

Rip titanic throw but also good riddance

[lusty grotto]

bet

[proper roost]

i will complain about the week 1 patch and then reroll the fotm healer

(please let it not be rdruid again)

[zinc root]

whats the deal with crafting right now? worth crafting a shield?

[warm plinth]

Sure

[ornate thicket]

Id wait til you get m0 at least and see what you need to fill before keys

[lusty grotto]

people really want to start crafting in week 1 hooly

[ornate thicket]

Yeah 100% whatever you craft be first spot you get an upgrade lul

[lusty grotto]

or craft some garbage like the versa shield

when its very likely we will do what

bracers and cloak?

neck/rings maybe?

and then be like "oh no, i have to wait 2 weeks for another spark"

[ornate thicket]

Theres a non embellish shield you van stick patches on and choose stats too

[inland raft]

Ill just happily play the game for a while and when amoke settles from balancing ill figure out what to craft

[ornate thicket]

Basically this^

[lusty grotto]

yeah we know

very likely we wont do neck/cloak

[dusky canopy]

Wrist cloak going to be the play

Unless you’re dps

[lusty grotto]

since those slots are 100% taken for the rare drops

[dusky canopy]

Oh Prots probably different listen to Nim

[rose pier]

Hey. So as BIS we crafting bracers and belt this season ?

[lusty grotto]

so likely 1 ring / bracers

[proper roost]

@inland raft are you yogi renamed but like the third time

[ornate thicket]

On my bs ive been sticking points into bracers belt boots and shield assuming those be the most preferable slots if we craft armor

[proper roost]

(have a lot of lore to catch up on)

[inland raft]

No i dont have nearly as much knowledge of doom

[lusty grotto]

same

[proper roost]

damn I thought I clocked him for sure this time

[inland raft]

I also used to take game a lot more seriously but im way too old for it and also back in school again and its taking adjustment since been out for over a decade

[lusty grotto]

probably doing profession tools after

[proper roost]

you're just exuding really strong yogi vibes (complimentary)

[lusty tiger]

Court of stars but instead of the spy you’re looking for yogi

[inland raft]

I think yogi is deathray now

[lusty grotto]

100%

[ornate thicket]

Yeah dawg you get me

[lusty grotto]

dats him

[proper roost]

yeah I forgot what he renamed to

[dusky canopy]

Do I have to find someone who’s spaced into each individual item slot in order to get 590?

[craggy pilot]

just dinged 80, is there a reason i cant see Heroic yet? And why does it show my random dungeon still giving xp 😄

anyone know the requirements for Hc?

[inland raft]

Should show it but be locked until reach ilvl, try relogging

[mellow quartz]

To low ilvl

[ornate thicket]

Kanga you get kicked out of holy pally classic or you taking a break for retail

[mellow quartz]

Need 551

[lusty grotto]

idk but heroic is open for me at 552

oh, there you go

[proper roost]

??

i'm an admin in the classic pally discord wdym

[ornate thicket]

👋

[proper roost]

i've been in skyhold since marok made it in 2016

[ornate thicket]

Idk how you can keep up with so many channels lol

[proper roost]

I don't I've had LC muted since February

[ornate thicket]

Smart

[proper roost]

what about this weekend
heroics

[ornate thicket]

Yes. If they arent speccef into it you will likely get shit crafts

[lusty grotto]

should be good

just remember this shit is faction locked

[proper roost]

fuck i forgor

you're dwarf right

[lusty grotto]

yeah

ill be leveling my alts though so i still have... 2 horde characters?

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

monk and pally

[proper roost]

i can level my druid it's a NE

was planning on leveling it this weekend anyway

kinda seems unlikely that rdruid won't be meta anyway

[lusty grotto]

from what ive heard

[ornate thicket]

Hpal and rsham both seem strong

[lusty grotto]

it seems its hpal/sham and/or rdruid

rdruid is big dam

[ornate thicket]

But if you want motw its gonna be rdru or bear

[proper roost]

well theres no way to get motw unless they giga buff boomkin in week 1 patch

[lusty grotto]

and motw yea

[proper roost]

feral/bear is not good and boomkin is dog tier i heard

[lusty grotto]

thats why everyone is betting on bear tank

[proper roost]

so they'll probably buff boomkin

if it's actually that bad

[pallid quiver]

I'll be levelling a Horde Earthen Pala when rock dorfs come out, as a heads up

[lusty grotto]

cool

[waxen frigate]

What the fuck Kanga is alive

[astral crystal]

too bad the racial is so terrible

[pallid quiver]

The armor ain't the worst if specifically Prot War, and can help make its racial suite not the worst around,

But it's not the best around, either, and it's definitely oofies if not a Prot War

[ornate thicket]

I cant be anything but dwarf. Its too good

Unless class specifically cannot be played as one

[proper roost]

wtf......................... hi

i only didn't play s3 because everbloom

(He was not joking)

[lusty grotto]

EB was actually a decent rework

[waxen frigate]

No it wasn’t

[woven estuary]

Iam enjoyinh warrior only level 74 at and i took colossus

[waxen frigate]

That dungeon was awful

[proper roost]

i don't care if it was good or bad

[lusty grotto]

you mean VP

[waxen frigate]

👍 heck yeah

[proper roost]

i have PRINCIPLES and i am sticking TO THEM

[waxen frigate]

No I mean everbloom

[woven estuary]

i soloed a boss too after a wipe

i was certain id die

[waxen frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ronnie-coleman-prot-warrior-tbc-wow-chad-class-gif-24723206

[lusty grotto]

EB was fine

VP wasnt

VP was the low point of the season

[waxen frigate]

No

[woven estuary]

I took colossus because i dont want to use shockwave

[waxen frigate]

Different seasons dawg

[lusty grotto]

it was actual fucking dogshit

oh right

tott then

[waxen frigate]

Bolstering/Bursting EB

[lusty grotto]

lol

youre not wrong nish but

[waxen frigate]

Tyrannical EB

[lusty grotto]

outside of those 2, it was good

[waxen frigate]

[proper roost]

yeah throne kinda sucked

bit surprised they decided to do that one

(extremely old commentary)

[waxen frigate]

Considering this channel has Doom-related commentary daily

You’re in the right place

[proper roost]

how much of that is literally just yogi though

wtf yogi is 577 💀

[dusky canopy]

EB was cool

Big numby

[proper roost]

nish i went kinda nuts on transmog since I missed every single trial of style prior to this previous one can I spam you with pictures of all my tranmogs

[ornate thicket]

I liked most wod dungeons

[waxen frigate]

Yeah but if they’re shit I’m going to call them shit

Also I’m driving home in 10min

[mellow quartz]

Be 580 just doing heroic dungeons and upgrade with valorstones. Pretty easy.

[proper roost]

Ok I'm gonna dm you all of them

[proper roost]

my point was more that it was yogi going kinda hard

[ornate thicket]

Did you win the contest though

[waxen frigate]

Banger frame/avatar combo

[ornate thicket]

We want to know which mogs made the hall of fame

Thx dude

[autumn pawn]

Does any1 know if u can or can't trade valorstones between chars?

[lusty grotto]

you cant

character specific

[inland raft]

If made then tradable woukd either have to make the cap account wide or just give up ajd uncap it

Otherwise people would just bank a bunch and mitigate blizzards intention of time gating

[vocal cave]

I miss aoe heroic throw

[warm plinth]

No you don't

[lusty grotto]

i sure fucking dont either

[ancient reef]

is the prot leveling build in icyviens good for actually leveling like doing openworld

[warm plinth]

Besides it was more like avengers shield heroic throw

[lusty grotto]

sure

[warm plinth]

If you're leveling from 70 to 80, there's no reason to not just run the endgame build. None of it is going to matter.

[lusty grotto]

right

[warm plinth]

Leveling guides only matter when you don't have all your shit yet

[ancient reef]

is that also pinned

[warm plinth]

It's in the faq and in the icyveins and wowhead guides

[lusty grotto]

any of the non leveling builds work yes

^

[ancient reef]

thanks, im asking wowhead is crashing for me so i couldnt read it

[warm plinth]

The faq is goated tbh

Super nice revamp

[lusty grotto]

wowhead is crashing... hmm

i dont think i follow but

🤷

[proper roost]

what's your guys' over/under on the number of "i messed up and used my spark on something stupid week 1" posts that will show up

when the season 1 tuning patch comes in

[lusty grotto]

a lot

we've had so many people asking about crafts

week 1 btw

[warm plinth]

I am making a shield this week, don't @ me

There will be other sparks

[lusty grotto]

@warm plinth

wut r u doin

[dusky canopy]

@warm plinth

[warm plinth]

I'm not making anything most likely because I don't even know how to get a spark

[dusky canopy]

Get @‘d

[lusty grotto]

ok i finally finished the campaign while waiting on this m1s group to fill

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

What's the olevel reward for heroics

From vault

Ilevel

Like 592?

[lusty grotto]

dunno, theres no vault next week

[dusky canopy]

O item level

[warm plinth]

Oh there's not?

[dusky canopy]

Good addon

[warm plinth]

Good tonknow

[lusty grotto]

nope

[warm plinth]

To know

[lusty grotto]

always good tonknow

[warm plinth]

So I can play dbd all this week

[dusky canopy]

Tonka toyas

[warm plinth]

Yuge

Fuck you guys I'm typing on my phone

[dusky canopy]

Lmao so am I

[lusty grotto]

that raises more questions lmao

[warm plinth]

I can't access discord on work computer. Is blocked 😦

[dusky canopy]

Having to manually adjust autocorrect to mock tonknow

Imagine

[lusty grotto]

shouldnt cause you can get it in prot loot spec

but even if it did, we'd still use it

[warm plinth]

I'll stir your sac

What

[lusty grotto]

strength proc

[dusky canopy]

Sac stirrers

[lusty grotto]

how are you even seeing the damage

[dusky canopy]

[warm plinth]

Is that a one minute str buff

[lusty grotto]

just sim it and youll see

if you dont know what a stregth proc can do

[warm plinth]

Debuff would be the dot is imagine

I'd

[tribal wharf]

i havent done a single normal or heroic dungeon yet

one of the follower dungeons took me 10 minutes to find the boss

like mid combat

[mellow quartz]

When it procs it does

[pallid quiver]

There's an egg sac proc that stacks up as you get it

and you can hover over it and even see the main stat increase

[dusky canopy]

Stacking sacs good value

[tribal wharf]

what about the scent trinket with 2 sockets is that any good

[pallid quiver]

That being said, you sim the benefits, anyhow, since it's very hard to actually see what benefit main stat gives since it influences the damage of all of your abilities

[lusty grotto]

dont be like one of those people that cant fathom stats granting dps boosts

[dusky canopy]

Your brood is ready to attack!

Quit chatting

[lusty grotto]

because they cant see the trinket doing straight up damage

[tribal wharf]

when bacon does 2m dmg i take note

[lusty grotto]

also not only dps boosts, but parries

[warm plinth]

You're a parry

Fuck I'm bored

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/nzxt-stupid-laptop-toss-the-laptop-gif-13344553

[dusky canopy]

I’m board

[warm plinth]

If I were this bored at home, I'd craft a vers mastery shield and post it here just for funsies

[rain light]

finally ran out of stuff to do

[tribal wharf]

im so bored im speed running episode 1 doom for acheivement when not on wow

[lusty grotto]

wait

[dusky canopy]

What’s a stuff

[lusty grotto]

dont you do that when youre not bored anyway

[dusky canopy]

I’d do one if I could find it

[tribal wharf]

can make it to lvl 6, but lvl 6 7 8 is fucking nightmare to play sequentually

[warm plinth]

Yogi has three modes

Wow mode

Doom mode

[tribal wharf]

yogi mode

[warm plinth]

Talking to himself in skyhold mode

[jagged gust]

Yogi mode

[lusty grotto]

sometimes all 3 at the same time!

[warm plinth]

Well

In his defense

My sisters boyfriend has full on fucking conversations with himself out loud

And he'll get mad at himself

[lusty grotto]

my mom does that

[tribal wharf]

doom is much similiar to wow than you might imagine, they both rely on logs and skill, and they both fundamently pretty much only exist on a 2d plane

[proper roost]

this is so me 🙏

[jagged gust]

I do tend to give myself the best advice

[lusty grotto]

ask brew

[tribal wharf]

wow combat and doom combat are insanely the same but differnet

[warm plinth]

I'll think he's talking to someone in the next room

Nope, dude is talking to himself

[proper roost]

💀

[warm plinth]

And I don't mean like, normal talking to yourself

[proper roost]

why aren't we doing a 5 stack of heroics this weekend

[warm plinth]

Dude is doing both sides of the convo

[tribal wharf]

i do talk alot about wow here, i would say primarily

[lusty grotto]

indeed you do

*nods

[dusky canopy]

[tribal wharf]

well, i mean, thats what the server is here for mostly

[dusky canopy]

He beat me to it

[tribal wharf]

discussion about wow

i mean, fuck

[lusty grotto]

indeed, quite true

[dusky canopy]

Fucking and WoW

Mwahi going to come in here guns blazing

[tribal wharf]

but i don't talk about doom in a serious way here and more as an ice breaker

(notice i never really talk about it for more than like, 2 sentences

[dusky canopy]

Deathray44 isn’t yogi

It’s actually yogis twin

[tribal wharf]

and then ill have entire discussion with self about how this one world quest sucks and then i figure ouit i was doing it wrong 3 minutes later

[proper roost]

i always got only child energy from yogi, tbh

i'd be surprised if he had siblings

[ornate thicket]

The wq where you grab a pot and stumble across bridge can go f itself

[tribal wharf]

doom is very hard, very hard, but oh so smooth

[dusky canopy]

Say less fam

You had me at grabbing pot

[ornate thicket]

Youll know when you see it. Ringing deeps. Big trap for saying bad words

[warm plinth]

Yogi cursed

[tribal wharf]

face rocket is more cursed

precisely what it sounds like

[warm plinth]

No you cursed. You said the f word

[tribal wharf]

the which word

[warm plinth]

This

I can't believe you'd say something like that

[lusty grotto]

i cant believe youve done this

[tribal wharf]

i get clowned on if i try to play doom without "save scumming"

[proper roost]

by who

it's a single player game yogi

[warm plinth]

Don't change the subject yogi

Why did you say such an awful word

[tribal wharf]

by... the demons?

[proper roost]

oh that's not usually how people use that phrase but I see where you're going with this

[tribal wharf]

its when the monsters combine is that when it is that they are at thier most scary

[lusty tiger]

Hi yogi

[tribal wharf]

they compliment eachother in combat like wow classic players getting together for a group quest

[warm plinth]

He won't address his language

[tribal wharf]

its that much of an amp on eachother they give

[warm plinth]

The beginning of the end is here

[lusty tiger]

More swear words pls yogi

[weak ether]

Hey ! Are there blacksmith here ? Quick question about sheilds

Shield*

[lusty grotto]

yes?

[tribal wharf]

well, no swear words, i mean, i wont say never, but i tried to be less hostile over all

[lusty grotto]

gosh yogi

[weak ether]

Does anyone test the requirements of the epic shield with spark on? Like with R3 items how high does it bring us

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what you mean

do you mean ilvl wise?

[tribal wharf]

he wants to know ilvl stats for r5

[weak ether]

No i know that

[tribal wharf]

is what im hearing

oh

[weak ether]

606 if i remember

I nearly maxed out my shield spec for my blacksmithing, just missing 5 point but idk if they are worth it or if i'm already at max 'lvl" for r5 shields

[lusty grotto]

im guessing youre at 100

and im guessing you capped out Armorsmithing, Large Plate Armor and Shields

is that correct?

[weak ether]

Just 5 points shy for shields but thats correct

[lusty grotto]

if its like DF

[tribal wharf]

what about min maxing the equipable tools?

[lusty grotto]

the more skill you have, the easier it is to craft higher ranks

[jagged gust]

I'd have to guess that's enough for a 5* without any skill modifiers like crests

[lusty grotto]

outside of concentration

[undone ice]

there are not guide for 1st CRAFT spark

Shield ?

[tribal wharf]

theres a new war within hammer that boosts TWW smith

[stable shard]

hello, watching icy veins and wowhead guides and they say play champions spear with mountain thane, and roar with colossus, but maxroll say roar in every build, why?

[lusty grotto]

so just pump into any skill increase

[weak ether]

I dont think so

[lusty grotto]

and get the blue accessories/tools

ok cool i got interrupted like 3 times while i was typing that

[undone ice]

we have spark atm

[jagged gust]

1st craft is often something like wrists, shield is only recommended if you have either a surplus of sparks or no shot at getting a mythic shield

[lusty grotto]

i should really just type everything in a big block of text

[undone ice]

we cant craft 1st 636 item ?

[weak ether]

They are too fast lol

[tribal wharf]

there may be embellish tuning within say, a month or so

[lusty grotto]

if its like DF, the more skill you have, the easier it is to craft higher ranks outside of concentration
so just pump into any skill increase and get the blue accessories/tools

[weak ether]

No i think its more like 606

[weak ether]

Thank you for the advise ! Will pump the next five points then i'll see if i do torso or legs

[warm plinth]

You need crests for 636 which aren't available until m+/mythic raid

[undone ice]

yes ofc

but we can craft with spark without crest atm

[jagged gust]

The dumb thing about BS in DF was you only needed 28/30 to guarantee max craft for armor

[warm plinth]

Isn't inspiration gone now too?

[tribal wharf]

but if u make a spark item, u'll be able to come back and recraft it to new highest crest

[weak ether]

It is gone

[lusty grotto]

concentration is the new thing

[tribal wharf]

reduced materials since its a recraft

[warm plinth]

How does that differ?

[lusty grotto]

can guarantee a skill increase

but its a limited resource

[undone ice]

u craft Beledard Shield ?

[weak ether]

Its guarantee the next items "tier"

[tribal wharf]

i have to invent 24 hr cd now that u mention garunteed skill increse

[weak ether]

Dont have the recipe, but i wont advise for the beledar shield, the embelishment isnt good

[lusty grotto]

hot fucking garbage

[undone ice]

Wowhead say Beledar 1st choice 😦

[lusty grotto]

it sure doesnt

[weak ether]

Pls dont, use a normal crafter shield and embelishement

[undone ice]

ok

[weak ether]

Or a mythic shield if it drops

[undone ice]

normal shield and embelish 🙂

[lusty grotto]

where in wowhead does it say beledar 1st choice

can you please link?

cause it sure as hell isnt in the prot warrior guide

[undone ice]

here

[weak ether]

No no

It says upgrade, not use the beledar shield

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt say beledar anywhere

[undone ice]

okok

[marble night]

tryna find a good wa for active defensives, a dynamic group that grows on top of itself and includes externals. theres a million to choose from, anyone got one they can vouch for thats updated for TWW?

[weak ether]

It actually says higher that beledar shield isnt used cause its uptime is so low

[undone ice]

there are recipe for normal shield?

[lusty grotto]

of course

just like in DF

[weak ether]

Yeah, i have one with epic shield shard

I can even craft you the 590 version without concentration lol

[undone ice]

i want spark version

[lusty grotto]

everforged defender

[undone ice]

only with spark its 593 ilvl

[weak ether]

If you want spark version, i can craft it for you if you source the r4 materiel

Material*

[lusty grotto]

did they make crafting orders cross realm?

[weak ether]

Oh it can get waayyyy highrr

[weak ether]

I think so? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

or do you you not know?

LOL

[weak ether]

We can try lol

[lusty grotto]

afaik they are only cross realm for guilds

[warm plinth]

I don't think thru did outside of guilds

They*

[lusty grotto]

also that guy is clearly EU

[warm plinth]

No u

[undone ice]

i pick Comps and missiv R2 or r3

[weak ether]

I'm eu

[lusty grotto]

or idk, but broken english

[warm plinth]

My English is broken too

[weak ether]

Yeah, he is french i think

[lusty grotto]

yes thats how i know

[undone ice]

me yes

french

[lusty grotto]

cause mine is broken as well

[warm plinth]

I'm american though

[weak ether]

I'll love for you to take a guess at my ethnicity 😎 lol

[undone ice]

i take r2 for craft?

[lusty grotto]

lets not dox ourselves

[warm plinth]

Hmm

[lusty grotto]

🙂

[weak ether]

Depends about the lvl of your blacksmith

Kidding, i'm from Belgium

[warm plinth]

I didn't get to guess

Smh

[lusty grotto]

ok then youre both EU

[weak ether]

Yeah

[warm plinth]

Coolest country of origin is Mwahi

[undone ice]

Belgarath parle francais alors lol

[weak ether]

I'll not speak french here, haha, its an english server

[undone ice]

ofc

[weak ether]

True true

[lusty grotto]

mwahi huh

never been

have you been in mwahi before ghash?

[warm plinth]

That's privafe

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Private

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

I meant mwahi's country smh

[lusty grotto]

[nimble grail]

Hello guys, do you know what is the best piece to use te spark to craft for prot ?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[weak ether]

Hahahaha here we go again

[lusty grotto]

hey guys did you know

theres 2 sites

called wowhead.com

and icyveins.com

both have guides, which we maintain!

and by we, i mean 2 of the mods and admins here

[warm plinth]

And an faq. Nim always forgets the faq.

[lusty grotto]

and so it happens that they both have crafting gear advice!

if you are so inclined to burn your spark in week 1!

[warm plinth]

It's like he doesn't even care about it

Toxic shitter

[nimble grail]

Ok thanks for answering

[warm plinth]

From his spicy tacos no doubt

[lusty grotto]

[nimble grail]

By the way

I know wowhead exists

[dusky canopy]

@waxen frigate

[nimble grail]

Its just great to be able to talk to other ppl sometimes

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[nimble grail]

but everytime i talk here

[lusty grotto]

there it is

[nimble grail]

ppl ask me to go to wowhead

[dusky canopy]

On this day I contributed to nish’s collection

[nimble grail]

dont know what is the point of using a chat at this point

tbh

[waxen frigate]

for chatting?

[dusky canopy]

Just talk her anyway

[waxen frigate]

and for clarifying things?

[lusty grotto]

thanks for your understanding

[dusky canopy]

Wowhead is for unknowers

[woven estuary]

Colossus is king

[lusty grotto]

clearly you needed an answer we've given x,xxx,xxx times since last tuesday

[dusky canopy]

That’s a whole lot of Xs

Wonder what Elon would pay for that many

[nimble grail]

ok boss ty

[warm plinth]

@nimble grail you can make the dusk/dawnthread on a shield. Probably best value

[nimble grail]

My real question was to know if its worth to do rn

[lusty grotto]

AI Elon or real Elon

[warm plinth]

Not really

[nimble grail]

But i see pinned that embelishment are being tuned

[warm plinth]

I'd wait til you can get a vault first

[nimble grail]

so I will wait

thanks for answer

[warm plinth]

At least

No problemo

[nimble grail]

Sorry for disturbing you @lusty grotto I will go to wowhead.com and icyveins.com next time.

[lusty grotto]

🫡

[dusky canopy]

Holy shit he read the faq for an answer

😱

[lusty grotto]

ghash have i ever told you that i think the whole "good skyholder, bad skyholder" dynamic is pretty smart

we're like the ying and yang

[warm plinth]

I am just making up for the fact that I'm bad at the game

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

I'm getting pretty good at dbd though

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

You got Amazon prime? 🤣

[lusty grotto]

i do

[bleak breach]

What items you guys looking at for crafts?

[warm plinth]

Scroll up just a bit and it shall be revealed

But also note the top pin

[jagged gust]

I'm waiting for there to be something good enough for prot+fury

Or arms if tuning goes well

[dusky canopy]

The deserter debuff is changing soon

[jagged gust]

lemme guess, something about leaving after the first boss

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/avahREC.png

stats starting to look good

[shrewd grove]

So, the tank nerfs are active right? I feel like I've noticed no difference

[jagged gust]

tank nerfs?

[lusty grotto]

they have been since before release

[strong forum]

the tank nerfs have been active for 3 weeks already

[shrewd grove]

Hitting 400k-500k HPS on big pulls and feeling like a brick wall

[lusty grotto]

self sustain nerfs

[jagged gust]

oh the prepatch ones

[strong forum]

cuz you dont take any damage

[shrewd grove]

Crazy how overblown those were

[lusty grotto]

yes those nerfs didnt affect us

we said so here

[strong forum]

the nerfs barely affected us

[lusty grotto]

no u

[shrewd grove]

I know, I'm just still surprised how unaffected I feel after all the doom and gloom literally everywhere outside of this disc

[jagged gust]

thats all it was

dooming

[strong forum]

cuz

its normal/hc dungeons

[lusty grotto]

also people like to panic

[strong forum]

its literally impossible to take daamage

[lusty grotto]

they will panic again when they get sat down due to gear

[proper roost]

ghash play helldivers 2 with me

[strong forum]

youll notice the tank nerfs more when you start doing keys when undergeared

rn we're overgearing content

[shrewd grove]

I'm hoping so. Scaling feels silly right now. Just pull all trash to next boss

Basically every dungeon

[strong forum]

thats always been the case

[proper roost]

well it's heroics so yeah literally

what do you expect

[strong forum]

for normal/hc/m0 all the way until like +5

[shrewd grove]

I guess it's been a long time since I played where Heroics were your endgame option

[strong forum]

maybe even old +10s

[proper roost]

you can solo like +2 keys as tank as well

[strong forum]

i could solo most of a +10 key

on beta

post-nerf

bigger issue was fighting affixes

aka xalatath ones

i could kill the void emissary, but they would spawn every 30seconds

meaning that 20% of the entire dungeon i'd have to fullsend into void emissary

was not fun

took me 30min just to spawn 1st boss in ara ara

[proper roost]

every preseason is cyclical and the same actually huh

in 2 weeks

"this mob literally oneshots me and there is nothing i can do"

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[proper roost]

(is doing a +10 at like 560 ilvl)

[jagged gust]

Just gotta ride the waves

[lusty grotto]

i listed how it would go a few weeks ago

and i listed how it would go on DF release

literally the same each time

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

the whole overpreparing is part of it

"oh let me link how im ilvl capped on week1, because surely that'll make a difference in the long run"

kinda wild

[proper roost]

did yogi get the courage to do a +10 in s4

I missed his journey

[lusty grotto]

no

[proper roost]

[lusty grotto]

he did the 20 Wcm and then took a break or something idk

but you were around for that

[proper roost]

yeah I'm sad I missed it

i hope we can get him into a +10 this season

[lusty grotto]

he still thinks we bullied him into it

[proper roost]

i will bully him into it

[lusty grotto]

he claims he did it to "stop the memes"

im just glad he realized he could do it 🙂

[hardy snow]

One +20 made him gone for months

[proper roost]

yeah i'm reading through the past couple months now

i think doing that +20 might have broken him temporarily. maybe i won't bully him into a 10

[lusty grotto]

lol

[tribal wharf]

hard to complain about weapon

[ancient reef]

damn

[pallid quiver]

technically i should do more heroics so i can upgrade the gear on my war

but i really cba'd until M0s come out and i see what drops i get

[ancient reef]

is that on reset or a month from now

[warm plinth]

Counter point: why

[pallid quiver]

Considering M0s look like they drop 593, I cannot be assed to mega grind to 590 all slots

[pallid quiver]

because i live the pug life and to them, ilvl and rio is the gospel

[warm plinth]

We will enter the m0 world together

Side by side

[pallid quiver]

You could be a wife-beating, racial slur slinging, unable to even mouth-breath 2 APM player, and you're still CHADDICUS if your ilvl/rio is high enough

[warm plinth]

As champions

But I won't know the dungeons

[pallid quiver]

eh, i know them enough now

[winged oar]

What about side-by-side with a friend