I dont have staples 
#protection
cerulean tusk
waxen cradle
pallid quiver
It's like you're not even trying to enjoy Demolish smh
solid sun
Use the app that scrolls big text on your phone that says “wow gazillion damages” and then take some tape and stick it to the monitor that way
mellow quartz
@strong forum it’s like 40s now instead of 50
pallid quiver
But everything dies before I can generate the rage to cycle it that fast because Ingotta wait for the rp smh
mellow quartz
Pretty sure it’s just leftover text from DF
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> it’s like 40s now instead of 50
40s would be overselling it a bit too much
the guides arent meant for 0.1% players, so IMMEDIATELY putting them on the spot and say "yeah this should be 40s" is intimidating if they dont
mellow quartz
Pretty sure I saw 41-42s on beta server iirc
strong forum
sure
but we both are slightly above average
its like when you train a new employyee
and they ask what kind of time they should be done with X task
you dont give em the answer
cuz then they would pressure themselves
instead of learning properly
so the 50s is already PLENTY
mighty valley
oh shit i only just realized deathray is yogi
i've been gone too long
the meta has changed
rigid hull
is there a way to walk on water even when u take damage
mellow quartz
the guides arent meant for 0.1% players, so IMMEDIATELY putting them on the spot...
It does say ‘when played optimally’ 😏
strong forum
plain vapor
whats everyone crafting first
strong forum
nothing until mythic week
plain vapor
not even a weathered crest item?
strong forum
nop
plain vapor
interesting, why? are those crests better spent on just upgrading the regular gear instead?
solid sun
If I had to hazard a guess I’d say I’ll be unlucky with shield drops and craft one of those
zealous goblet
am i insane? i could've sworn thunderous roar was recommended day 1 over champion's spear
did the guide change?
zealous goblet
bro i think my alzheimers might be acting up
strong forum
interesting, why? are those crests better spent on just upgrading the regular ge...
cuz i got no fucking clue what crests are used for what 
jagged pier
did u read the wrong hero talent setup?
zealous goblet
i guess i did LMAO
jagged pier
cause ppl been doing that a fair bit
solid sun
You probably are but that’s unrelated
zealous goblet
so you either are more sane or less sane
to kickstart the discussion i'd like to revive an old topic
jagged pier
yogi makes me less sane evrey day
tribal wharf
strong forum
||draenei||
zealous goblet
||draenei||
tribal wharf
here i included the icons this time for your sanity
leaden olive
Hey guys how many weathered crests does it take to make an enchanted crest for crafting?
zealous goblet
are we talking osrs or rs3
ornate pulsar
Thoughts on prot vs guardian druid as a new player wanting to come in and main tank? With the intention of Pugging both heroic raids and m+ down the road?
leaden olive
Rs3 at 590
zealous goblet
i sat down and grinded 92 mining on my ironman for amethyst darts
leaden olive
Thoughts on prot vs guardian druid as a new player wanting to come in and main t...
Druid
tribal wharf
well, i quit in osrs, and than this is the rs3 account, but i never ever played rs3 really
zealous goblet
normal raids need 'ta come out to stimulate the economy a lil
i'm big depressed at the sell volumes rn
mighty valley
Thoughts on prot vs guardian druid as a new player wanting to come in and main t...
Which one's cooler to you, being a bear or being a guy with a shield
warm plinth
Hey guys how many weathered crests does it take to make an enchanted crest for c...
30
leaden olive
Ty
zealous goblet
Which one's cooler to you, being a bear or being a guy with a shield
"would you rather be stuck in a dungeon with a bear or a man?"
ornate pulsar
Which one's cooler to you, being a bear or being a guy with a shield
They both seem fun tbh. I figured everything was pretty balanced with tanks but wasn't sure if there was a glaringly obvious reason to choose one over another 🙂
leaden olive
Bear mog is a fuzzy butt but they are easy to the point of being boring and so probably great for a new player trying to tank.
ornate pulsar
I'm new to the game, but not new to gaming... so I don't imagine it will take me too terribly long to be "ok" enough. A bit of a skill ceiling is nice
mighty valley
Yeah I wouldn't worry about balance, perception of "best" tank will shift from season to season and every spec can do all of the content
shy socket
Is the 10% armor Earthen allies buff new bis race for prot war?
lusty grotto
no
tribal wharf
BASE armor
leaden olive
Yeah I wouldn't worry about balance, perception of "best" tank will shift from s...
I agree the top 1% mess with the social stigma something fierce.
lusty grotto
thank you yogi
leaden olive
Agree
lusty grotto
i was looking for it
ornate pulsar
Ok i may try prot warrior then. I'm gonna get my druid to 40 so I can unlock a good allied race and then reroll as warr 🙂
tribal wharf
now, will that stop me from race swapping to it? probably not
dwarf of any size still short :S, might, might not
ornate pulsar
Just need servers to pop back on so I can actually get to 40 rip
bleak plinth
Hey guys, any idea which renown tree is best to focus on maxing with a contract?
jagged pier
which ever one u like the most
lusty grotto
true and real
soft owl
Excited to dabble into tanking a bit. Warrior seems like it would fit my playstyle. I've spent most of the downtime combing throug the discussions in here. Thanks everyone for all the info!
ionic fern
autumn roost
Moist
strong forum
Hoist
shy socket
I agree with play what you want, was more looking for a metric on how powerful the earthen passive was
fallen rock
which trinket besides egg is good?
ionic fern
fallen rock
wonder how good darkmoon stuff is
dusky canopy
Good ilvl!
ornate pulsar
On a new toon, do I have to go to the dragonflight xpack and unlock it via quests? Or is it given with levels now?
Gonna forego the allied race for now and just roll the warr
fallen rock
I think the game gives your character the breadcrum quest when you hit a certain level
and every time you log in if you don't go
ornate pulsar
But you do have to do the quests to unlock it on a new toon still?
lusty grotto
earthen arent open for anyone
until next week
until the week after next week rather
dusky canopy
Huh thought I read an achievement saying I got unlocked it
leaden olive
Yeah you can’t complete the Ms yet.
dusky canopy
ornate pulsar
I was going for 40 to unlock the old allied races. Not earthen
fallen rock
Anyone else feel weird about spamming ignore pain every second during our cds?
fallen rock
it's like I'm slamming the ignore pain button every second for 10 seconds straight
or else I cap
strong forum
no thats been pretty much standard
lusty grotto
good, thats how it should be played
strong forum
since bfa
dusky canopy
Imagine banner
fallen rock
maybe I just need a better keybind for it than 5
mellow quartz
With the pulls you do in normal and heroics bloodsurge carries hard
fallen rock
something that doesn't require finger movement away from wasd
strong forum
F
ornate thicket
Dorki uses F for his tank active mits
fallen rock
I'm thinking F
strong forum
Press F to Ignore Pain
mellow quartz
I have q for sb and e for IP
fallen rock
F is stormbolt but I have 2 other stuns now
ornate thicket
I use 4. Very subjective with hotkeys
fallen rock
can move it somewhere else
strong forum
1 - TC
2 - Nothing
3 - Revenge
4 - SS
F - Ignore Pain
Shift + 4 - SB
shift + e - demo
shift + 2 - ravager
shift + F - Avatar
thats my binds
ornate thicket
R is mine, but standard for all my toons executss
fallen rock
I bet nobody else wasd's like I do. Pinkey on A, ring on S, Middle on D, index finger floats
I don't do ctrl hotkeys
strong forum
ye okay thats just weird
dusky canopy
fallen rock
lets me reach all the way for y, h, and b hokteys
dusky canopy
Atleast you’re not one of those esdf movers
strong forum
youre playing ESDF without the E
fallen rock
do lefties wasd on IJKL?
ornate thicket
I like g key for things too. Usually a cure/purge on my healers or self heal
ornate pulsar
How many buttons are you actively using?
tribal wharf
why change what work for 40 years, wasd?
ornate pulsar
jesus
fallen rock
69 macros
strong forum
that is including potions and mount
and hearthstones
35 are active combat of just warrior iirc
ornate pulsar
Our combat rotation is fairly simple in most scenarios right?
dusky canopy
I click mounts buffs hearthstones
fallen rock
When is blizz going to let us click on an ability and make a toggle for it to work with mouseover and focus
ornate thicket
Hearthstone cast bound was how i drew out kicks in pvp so many times back in day lol
strong forum
nah i only click repair mount
dusky canopy
I have battle pot and hpot bound ofc
fallen rock
so we don't have to make macros for everything
strong forum
rest is keybound
strong forum
When is blizz going to let us click on an ability and make a toggle for it to wo...
i dont think ever
fallen rock
i like mouseover for toss, execute, taunt, stormbolt, etc
fallen rock
ree
an example would be like POE behavior where you can change the ability to work without a target or with with a toggle button
fallen rock
just make a mouseover and focus toggle
molten gorge
I hate some of those ngl
it's like when you see a kid playing cod with their toes, just makes you feel bad about yourself
fallen rock
that pummel keybind 
mighty valley
Atleast you’re not one of those esdf movers
u wot m8
dusky canopy
2 and 3
fallen rock
oh that's prob your focus pummel, didn't see the other one
strong forum
it's like when you see a kid playing cod with their toes, just makes you feel ba...
que?
strong forum
that pummel keybind <:critcake:984549832511344640>
R is prime key to react fast to a kick
mighty valley
yeah
dusky canopy
Putting that pinky to work
strong forum
ctrl+R is focus kick
mighty valley
like ME
molten gorge
R is prime key to react fast to a kick
Mousewheel is obv the meta
strong forum
Mousewheel is obv the meta
i DESPISE mousewheel keys, theyre still default for me
fallen rock
mousewheel up is my fishing
strong forum
for camera 
fallen rock
i set camera to shift mousewheel directions
mighty valley
yeah i never got used to mousewheel binds
dusky canopy
Mouse wheel forward stance macro
Mouse wheel backwards hamstring
Mouse wheel click battle pot
mighty valley
and i also do a lotta camera control
strong forum
mousewheel click is mouseover focus + targetmarker macro
molten gorge
I always enjoy how divisive keybind discussions are
fallen rock
https://i.imgur.com/dfRBmZf.png
where is your intervene
fallen rock
🐗
jagged gust
My camera is alt+ctrl+mousewheel, because I've already used up my other modifiers >.>
ornate pulsar
I'll be looking over all the guides for addons and everything. Starting fresh is nice, everything is an empty slate
strong forum
i did that a few months ago
my addons are very barebones and optimised
same as for my weakauras
fallen rock
I think one of my guildies uses a foot pedal for keybinds
strong forum
we CLEAAN
fallen rock
dusky canopy
Game is actually so smooth when you delete 80 addons
Had to do that once Tindral happened
fallen rock
I finally deleted 80+ weakauras going all the way back to Legion
My macros are a piece of history though, can't delete some
gritty tartan
talking about WA's, what are you guys personal preferences for WA ? i was usinng Afenar but trying to change to Luxthos, but i do not like the size of shield block timer
fallen rock
like loatheb raid bandage targets from naxx in vanilla
jagged gust
I use the buff tracker from nomer's, that's about it
mighty valley
hmm i actually need a rend timer now for colossus
gritty tartan
I use the buff tracker from nomer's, that's about it
https://wago.io/RwQjeeIek this one ? i will prob give it a try, since its from our king and lord savior Nomer's
dusky canopy
talking about WA's, what are you guys personal preferences for WA ? i was usinng...
I think Nome shares his I think it’s good
Yeah there it is ^^
zenith vigil
wish i could upload his WA into my wow but lulNAmaintenance
ornate pulsar
They keep pushing b ack this server back up time and its hurting my soul lol
zenith vigil
ornate pulsar
Just need to create my warrior and get through the starter zone haha
jagged gust
Yeah that's the one, initially I rearranged everything to "feel right" but eventually just built my own ui, so I got rid of the bars and kept the rage+VO bar and buff tracker
dusky canopy
What’s for lunch
fallow nova
Was dairy queen today
ornate pulsar
Dino nuggies
dusky canopy
Burrito 
lusty grotto
DN
lofty warren
ornate thicket
I use a 40x25 icon ratio for my weakauras and the rotational abilities have to be in order of my keybinds which are usually in order of standard rotation. Ocd lol
swift relic
talking about WA's, what are you guys personal preferences for WA ? i was usinng...
if your only issue with Luxthos' is that shield block bar, you can tweak the height at least in custom options and make it larger
jagged gust
When I was first learning prot I pulled it out of the tracker and slapped it right over the head of my toon
About the only way I could get myself to stop letting it drop
ornate pulsar
When I was first learning prot I pulled it out of the tracker and slapped it rig...
keeping shield block up?
dusky canopy
I use a 40x25 icon ratio for my weakauras and the rotational abilities have to b...
I’m similar yeah my WA suite has to coincide with my hot bar
Otherwise it fucks my brain
jagged gust
keeping shield block up?
Yep, dead center of my screen
ornate pulsar
Yep, dead center of my screen
I may try that while im learning since this will be my first time every properly trying to main tank in any game
jagged gust
If that buff fell off I probably wasn't even looking at my screen
It sounds silly, but when you're new to tanking there's a lot of info to process
ornate pulsar
Ive always played healers so it will be an adjustment for sure
weird question... anyone know why my pressing 1 isnt activating my 1 ability? only clicking the button on the bar is working
tribal wharf
i DESPISE mousewheel keys, theyre still default for me
ornate pulsar
slam
tribal wharf
this is why i need discord nitro
ornate pulsar
its a new toon. its one of 2 abilities
lusty grotto
remove slam, remove whirlwind, remove rend
tribal wharf
so i can change my name like ghash
in just this discord
to quickly convey thought of the week
tribal wharf
shield slam = improved slam, revenge = improved whirlwind
more or less
does nim do it also the name change to "reflect the fire ball from the guy in the hard dungeon"
zealous goblet
hey uh what's the exact scenario for the punish build over the mythic plus build on wowhead?
i'm not seeing any text mentioning specifics
lusty grotto
huh
zealous goblet
out of the three mountain thane builds, one is called a "punish build"
lusty grotto
bro we always play punish unless we're in execute buidls
zealous goblet
no you misunderstand
zealous goblet
lusty grotto
ok thats what i just said
zealous goblet
but both of them use punish
is why i'm confused
*the mythic and punish build both use punish
OH
i just read nom's msg my bad
or rather, it clicked
lusty grotto
if you scroll down you can see the talents
jagged gust
My BM hunter's rotation in TBC
dusky canopy
I won’t judge if you put slam on 1
cosmic canyon
My BM hunter's rotation in TBC
same 😄 topped the dmg meters
zealous goblet
cheers
jagged gust
same 😄 topped the dmg meters
63rd in the world, I scrolled my wheels so hard
zealous goblet
i will not be using intervene for awhile i am too small brained for it
jagged gust
Intervene is one of the few abilities that I enjoy having on mouseover, took me a while to get used to
dusky canopy
The charge/intervene macro is bis
cosmic canyon
is there anything worth doing in game atm? 570 iL, wait for alleria. Guess I could gather some herbs or something
jagged gust
this is prime farming season
stockpile the gold while the markets hot, then buy up your pots and flasks once the hoard of bots depreciate the market
cosmic canyon
The charge/intervene macro is bis
dusky canopy
is there anything worth doing in game atm? 570 iL, wait for alleria. Guess I cou...
Just make sure you collect your weekly delve keys to use on tier 8 delves when they unlock
cosmic canyon
Just make sure you collect your weekly delve keys to use on tier 8 delves when t...
to obtain them, I have to start the quest yea. You recall the name of it? Or the resource name?
jagged gust
That's the god button
cosmic canyon
Only true huntards know the worth
jagged gust
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
I don't know how to format text blocks
cosmic canyon
I have that bound on scroll-wheel up
dusky canopy
to obtain them, I have to start the quest yea. You recall the name of it? Or the...
Complete TWW Campagin then do the weekly quest in each zone
cosmic canyon
tww short for?
jagged gust
the war within
dusky canopy
The War Within
mellow quartz
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Interve...
#showtooltip
/Use [@mouseover,exists,harm] Charge;[@mouseover,exists,help] Intervene; [harm] Charge; Intervene
lusty grotto
you dont know the acronym for the expansion?
cosmic canyon
is there a weekly quest in each zone? You need to unlock higher renown to get world quests with the arachna/azj-kahet ?
mellow quartz
Need to join one of the factions and do 3 WQs there to see the special one
jagged gust
#showtooltip
/Use [@mouseover,exists,harm] Charge;[@mouseover,exists,help] Inter...
streamlined, nice
dusky canopy
mighty valley
lol, i'm seeing the appeal of thane with this guide update
it's funny to have the two specs be
(almost) Never Revenge vs. (almost) Never Thunderclap
mighty valley
i don't think these are related
lusty grotto
they arent
mighty valley
isn't that the buff you used to get from harvesting diseased herbs
floral tinsel
in harrowfall, yeah maybe thats how
strong forum
its some open world shit
lusty grotto
it'll be an okay race
dusky canopy
You can be any race you want unless you plan on doing the highest possible keys in the game
jagged gust
but also free food
dusky canopy
Buff Earthan
runic grove
If we're being objective, it's pretty terrible right?
jagged gust
nah, its mid
mighty valley
no races are "terrible" they're just not that impactful
twilit burrow
doesnt it depend how much secondary it gives
dusky canopy
It’s not as good as the other dwarf racials
jagged gust
vulpera is objectively terrible
mighty valley
looks like someone doesn't have a nose for trouble
runic grove
They can't ever give out a food that has main stat with that racial
Which is a shame because they look really cool and they're bigger than the other Dwarfs
dusky canopy
Stoneskin is just so good for us
runic grove
Also I am never binding that stupid channel ability, I don't know who at Blizzard thinks that's fun
dusky canopy
Having the ability to remove a bleed on demand is fantastic for Prot W
mighty valley
are they any big fuckin bleeds in the s1 dungeons?
dusky canopy
Haven’t looked into that whatsoever
twilit burrow
i wanan swap to horde but i dont wanna be a fat tauren
jagged gust
I can't say I've seen any being discussed so so far it doesn't seem super helpful
dusky canopy
You don’t have to be!
toxic pewter
vulpera is objectively terrible
Being Vulpera is great quality of life racials and nose for trouble even stronger since tank nerfs.. 40 yard pull.. off heal.. bigger backpack.. can set my camp in a sweet spot for travel... it's the good life 🙂
lusty grotto
not to the degree of s1 crawth though
or s1 korkia
why would you wanna swap to horde
twilit burrow
wheres my scaley dragon
lusty grotto
lmao
twilit burrow
So i can party with guildies in a nonfull premade
lusty grotto
bro that content will be irrelevant in a few weeks
mighty valley
i'm never gonna forgive them for kokia's Searing Blows causing a bleed
how the fuck is fire causing a bleed
should be closing UP my wounds
mighty valley
he's got... blood... made of fire................. idk
jagged gust
Being Vulpera is great quality of life racials and nose for trouble even stronge...
But like from a DPS standpoint, there is a wrong choice and it is vulpera
lusty grotto
well 🙂
jagged gust
But also I'm super jealous of the little fox camps
toxic pewter
But like from a DPS standpoint, there *is* a wrong choice and it *is* vulpera
hopefully the racials get another look one day
jagged gust
bro thats such a good take
I would love if everyone had the same amount of world traversal available to undergnomes or w/e they are and vulperas
mighty valley
the fact that there's a potential situational 0.001% damage output difference causes people such great anxiety
when if you like the cute foxes, you should just play them
toxic pewter
It is just sweet I have my camp set at the hallowfall gate, so anytime I need to get to hallowfall or the ringing deeps fast I use it
toxic pewter
yah its really so useful
and I find I missed it when I switched races breifly
But I am also a big quality of life guy
jagged gust
hey man that's what makes us stick with characters
toxic pewter
and Vulpera have some good animations transmog can be difficult but they can make a lot of stuff work
and can do flips
jagged gust
I can talk about best w/e all day but I'm still a belf just because they look good in pirate transmogs
toxic pewter
yah pirate vulpera is actually a solid look lol
bleak tapir
or with nathria set, like a little crusader
chilly brook
brother why is logging in so difficult these days 😦
chilly brook
It is just sweet I have my camp set at the hallowfall gate, so anytime I need to...
You could also just be human and have two hearthstones 🙂
twilit burrow
I rly hope theplunderstorm set comes to trading post this weekend
chilly brook
personally I hope not
I don't mind if they bring plunderstorm back and allow you to earn it in the game mode
but imo they shouldn't just throw it up on the trader
twilit burrow
its a recolor
lusty grotto
they should bring the mode back yes
not that i need anything from it but
it was fun
twilit burrow
if you look ingame they alraed have a recolor in apperances thats green instead of red
and says it comes from trading post
tribal wharf
some BOE shared appearances are annoying like that on AH
like, i wanted the gold DK shared helmet appearance right
and it shows like, the defualt shade, when u type it in to ah, u have to manual look at each individual listing
dusky canopy
Plunderstorm was so fun!
tribal wharf
but i have the gold appearance now,
chilly brook
Genuinely usually pretty leninent on them for an expansion release but fuck me why is it always this character loading bullshit
apparently no characters
tribal wharf
dusky canopy
Rut roe raggy
tribal wharf
i can do paladin mogs with this some how
chilly brook
at least there's almost nothing worth doing right now so I'm not missing much by sitting on this fucking screen
fallow nova
The best time of a new expansion launch is server maintenance for the first couple of decades.
chilly brook
The best time of a new expansion launch is server maintenance for the first coup...
this has been happening before maintenance
fallow nova
Well that's a bummer
chilly brook
on launch day authentication services were having issues and produced the same problem
chilly brook
Ironically no problems during early access
chilly brook
did u try log out and log in
yes I relaunched my Bnet
On the bright side new toy to keep me entertained
hoary pivot
On the bright side new toy to keep me entertained
X1C?
rose cipher
why are we playing spear instead of roar as thane prot? is it that much better?
hoary pivot
makes sense. we got an x1c in the office for everyone to play around with, really cool machine. as plug & play as you can get currently i think.
sorry everyone, this is insanely off topic^^
jagged gust
why are we playing spear instead of roar as thane prot? is it that much better?
Not by that much, but enough to justify swapping
plush tendon
jagged gust
Though roar has the advantage of having a larger radius and better mobility options
jagged gust
Spear is shiny
But why my splash so small?
Make Crackling Thunder also affect Spear
chilly brook
makes sense. we got an x1c in the office for everyone to play around with, reall...
certainly as far as consumer machines are concerned
fallow nova
Make Crackling Thunder also affect Spear
Would be cool if it gave it a continuously crackly animation to go along with it too
Lightning spear
lusty grotto
blizzard should have added flavor effects and animations to the trees
i think they missed they mark on that one
but alas
fallow nova
They could do all of that with glyphs if they really wanted to
tribal wharf
are they? im curious which class got the worst ones overall
lusty grotto
visual wise? idk
but you cant tell if someone is x hero tree unless you look at meters so
waxen frigate
are they? im curious which class got the worst ones overall
Monk has extremely underwhelming visuals
Shado Pan literally has almost no visual
You just punch fast a couple times
toxic pewter
I have been doing a lot of world pvp and I must say windwalkers sort of scare me
id ont know what theyre doing
but they hurt
they do some green cloud shit
like coalescence or something
it hurt bad
ornate thicket
I tried to write karma
And that it kills y o u r s e l f
But server blocked it lol
fleet spire
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
Hi, i cannot cast intervene with the macro
round pendant
Wow they completely fucked up the scaling in normal dungeons
this shit is harder than heroics now
trying to level my dk and people just keep dying and the healers can't seem to output heals
tribal wharf
my guess is healer issue
ornate thicket
Here is my shocked face 😐
timid thicket
Prob not worth to spend a spark on shield right. First boss in raid drops one if I remember correctly, so should be somewhat easy to obtain on myth track
unborn siren
Would you say dwarf race is still best for prot cuz of stoneform? How does the new Earthen race compare?
tribal wharf
they did multiple tunings to the crafted gear embellishments in df
so, things could change, who knows
i'll just craft a shield for my self
lusty grotto
things wont change
autumn roost
You don't have a full spark right now
ruby viper
Hey guys, is it possible to play protection with controller?
lusty grotto
probably not
but you do you
it might be, but its a lot of buttons
if you play ffxiv style its possible
the problem is haste and gcd
if you dont care about optimizing at all, which seems to be the case, it should be fine
tropic tangle
Prob not worth to spend a spark on shield right. First boss in raid drops one if...
eh, it's a strong first piece for anyone who doesn't plan to raid mythic
jagged pier
probably not
someon last expansion actually did
lusty grotto
the reason ffxiv works is because haste is not a factor
hes asking for some quick carpal tunel
any class that doesnt prio haste is fair play
otherwise you wont be able to optimize at all
lusty grotto
yeah but he probably has experience on it
jagged pier
oh for sure
lusty grotto
also when i said ffxiv style, i meant double trigger paging
so thats 4 buttons dpad + 2 triggers, 12 abilities on dpad
4 button normal buttons + 2 triggers = 12 abilities on normal buttons (i.e A/B/X/Y or X/Square/O/triangle)
so youre limited to 24 abilities, which should be fine for prot
well, 23 cause you need a jump button probably
fallow nova
Would certainly be interesting to try
Imagine if the camera was changed so that you HAD to be in over-the-shoulder mode. No mile-high downward-looking gameplay anymore.
Dungeons would be an absolute nightmare
tribal wharf
cant confirm but apparently reddit taking a shit
someone in chat said it, sort of true for me
young tartan
anyone know what vendor sells this wow says vendor and wowhead has no entry where it comes from
ruby viper
probably not
Sounds the fury is much easier
lusty grotto
shrug i wouldnt know
rugged fog
anyone know what vendor sells this wow says vendor and wowhead has no entry wher...
Drog rep i think lvl 8?
Looks like the ones i'm wearing at ilvl 584 i think
hardy snow
anyone know what vendor sells this wow says vendor and wowhead has no entry wher...
in game tracker shows pvp vendor Gilderann in Dornogal
young tartan
ty
hardy snow
but it may be locked until season starts
young tartan
vendor is empty yea
cosmic canyon
how much 'damage reduction' is this really? is it shit or useful?
runic cliff
did the spider people have any of the purple gear for sale?
timid thicket
No but they have a trinket you can upgrade at a certain renown
Like the neck in hallowfall
runic cliff
No but they have a trinket you can upgrade at a certain renown
any good?
foggy sparrow
vestal pasture
guys why do we use spear over roar? my friends been flaming me and telling me i should be using roar lol
formal geyser
So many damn buttons on prot warriors
chilly brook
https://wago.io/TScdrPfQe
but why?
lusty grotto
🤷
jagged gust
guys why do we use spear over roar? my friends been flaming me and telling me i ...
sims better
chilly brook
So many damn buttons on prot warriors
not really?
jagged gust
If you're new to tanking there's like suddenly 12 buttons you never used before
fallow nova
So many damn buttons on prot warriors
Make sure you don't have Slam or Whirlwind on your bars.
I mean, I don't feel any more crowded for buttons than I did on my mage
chilly brook
So that I know which button to press?
that doesn't help you
foggy sparrow
Please explain
chilly brook
you don't press mitigation buttons after taking damage
foggy sparrow
Do you play with scrolling combat text for self?
lusty grotto
no
chilly brook
no
lusty grotto
griff is correct
foggy sparrow
How do learn "oh, this part is magic damage"?
foggy sparrow
Or, you use a cool little WA so you don't have to go sift through logs.
lusty grotto
we have a spell reflectable / blockable / spellblockable sheet for a reason
except it doesnt do shit
chilly brook
Or, you use a cool little WA so you don't have to go sift through logs.
that still doesn't help you
lusty grotto
cause we're a proactive tank
chilly brook
all it tells you is you already took the damage
foggy sparrow
Yeah, but if you took damage you are usually going to take more in a few seconds
chilly brook
(spoiler alert btw all your mitigation works on magic damage)
foggy sparrow
Shield block blocks magic damage?
chilly brook
So really the only thing you need to figure out is where reflect and spell block are useful
lusty grotto
pinned all over
chilly brook
and tells you
lusty grotto
and in the faq
100% if youre relying on that WA, youre already approaching prot war wrong
chilly brook
And even if we assume that WA was helpful, it still wouldn't tell you if Spell Block did something
because Spell Block itself is internally inconsistent
foggy sparrow
Spell Reflection reduces magic damage taken by 25%, right?
young tartan
for 6 esconds ya
foggy sparrow
Okay, great.
chilly brook
assuming it doesn't reflect something
foggy sparrow
They changed that
lusty grotto
doesnt matter griff
foggy sparrow
The DR lasts the whole time.
chilly brook
ah
lusty grotto
that was changed in DF
chilly brook
my b
oh it all makes sense now
the WA was made by Metro/OneAzerothTV
that dude kinda cooked
lusty grotto
round pendant
how the fuck are normal dungeons more toxic than m+
I got kicked because I wanted the healer to.. res me?
foggy sparrow
Okay, nevermind. I knew coming to the warrior discord was a mistake.
lusty grotto
alrighty
chilly brook
https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872
a guy who tortures himself with pugging dungeons and has some really crap takes
chilly brook
Okay, nevermind. I knew coming to the warrior discord was a mistake.
I don't see how it's a mistake to come to a class discord for best practices on how their class works, if you would like to ignore better ways to figure out where to use specific mitigations that's your choice
lusty grotto
guy literally posts the WA
expects no feedback
on a public protection channel
sometimes i just dont get people
like if you dont expect someone to comment on your very public posting
maybe dont do it at all?
that WA might be useful for other tanks
but not for us
we're not reactive
chilly brook
Asks for explanation, gets explanation and better resources, gets madge
lusty grotto
pretty much
round pendant
This happens like every other week here
Dunno how you can keep being surprised by it
chilly brook
im not surprised by it
wildest thing is bros been in here since 2022 and first post was yesterday asking for that WA
round pendant
God I'm so fucking annoyed at getting kicked 80% through a dungeon for literally no reason
Meanwhile every time I try to kick someone for literally griefing it never gets passed
makes no fucking sense
young tartan
anyone have a good prot wa suite?
round pendant
nomeratur's
mellow quartz
I never like anything as it comes and always end up remaking 80% of things anyway so just make your own.
I use a many years old version of Afenar that has been modified for pretty much everything lol
young tartan
looking like what im gonna have to do
everything i have found so far is so big and bulky
just takes up massive screen space
mellow quartz
You will never be happy unless you make it as you want it anyway.
mellow quartz
Most important thing in any WA is to make icons zoom at 30%. All else is optional.
round pendant
just use nomeraturs?
floral tinsel
If I really wanna take bolster, what point should I move?
(I am playing Mountain Thane in dungeons)
warm plinth
Can I ask why you want bolster
floral tinsel
make last stand a more relevant cd, I personally like it a lot
lusty grotto
without cdr its a wasted talent point
warm plinth
Not really sure you have anything you can give up in that build. I assume you're not giving up disrupting shout since you're taking it.
lusty grotto
might as well untalent champions bulwark (and shield charge)
rose pier
should we start using keys in delves ?
lusty grotto
its 1 or the other, not both, thats insane overkill
warm plinth
Yeah I suppose you could do that
floral tinsel
how much damage do you loose removeing Violent Outburst?
lusty grotto
a fuckton
floral tinsel
😅 👍
warm plinth
Just to emphasize, you SHOULDN'T do this. But if you were going to anyway, Nim is probably right
lusty grotto
floral tinsel
okay yeah.. Ill probably just learn to play like this
warm plinth
Remember we have defensive stance at our beck and call, demo shout is up a lot, shield wall is only like a minute cd. Last stand has unfortunately just kind of fallen by the wayside on our list of defensives
floral tinsel
Remember we have defensive stance at our beck and call, demo shout is up a lot, ...
gotcha
tribal wharf
Just to emphasize, you SHOULDN'T do this. But if you were going to anyway, Nim ...
i made some highly illegal talents
floral tinsel
Haven't touched my prot warrior since BFA, so kinda trying to make a sence out of the talents
tribal wharf
havent shared them yet
rigid hull
is it ok if i ask proffesions questions in here
vocal flame
Anyone else with login issues? Wonder if it’s everyone or certain areas
tribal wharf
my game wasnt showing number of character per server
so i just clicked normal one and it worked
vocal flame
I can’t get passed the retrieving screen. Hard ass day of work just wanna play some wow lol
warm plinth
is it ok if i ask proffesions questions in here
Whatcha got
warm plinth
I can’t get passed the retrieving screen. Hard ass day of work just wanna play s...
It's telling you to play dbd with me instead
vocal flame
Logged in as soon as you said that haha
warm plinth
Rip me
vocal flame
Does it default stance to defense for anyone else?
mellow quartz
Been doing so for a while now
rigid hull
Whatcha got
are there any tools or accsesories to increase disenchanting skill @warm plinth
vocal flame
Has it? Could have sworn it didn’t in dragonland
warm plinth
Does it default stance to defense for anyone else?
I'm pretty sure it's new in TWW, but I also didn't play during s4 outside the very beginning
It's super annoying
vocal flame
It's super annoying
100%
warm plinth
are there any tools or accsesories to increase disenchanting skill <@25569689100...
I don't believe so. Just the knowledge point tree
tribal wharf
2million demolish
vocal flame
warcraftr logs not updated for TWW yet?
vague abyss
there is a trick to avoid overcapping rage? I made a dumb weakauras for me (if %Power = 100, red marks around me) or im just meant to be spamming ignore pain with it?
lusty grotto
you press ip when youre about to cap
warm plinth
If rage is at 100, you've waited too long because your next GCD has a very high chance of being one that grants more rage. You also gain rage from things like bloodsurge
lusty grotto
so ip is how you dont overcap
vague abyss
so i guess i should lower the cap then, 80%?
warm plinth
Between 60-80 is the amount you want to shoot for
If you go above that, it becomes very easy to overcap
vague abyss
cool, thanks! yeah is just that im not used to tank, and in all my infinite wisdom i chosed the most apm heavy spec
warm plinth
Also keep in mind that during CD windows, you're going to hit that threshold quickly and often.
vague abyss
so i get lost when i have to push IP xD
pallid quiver
It helps to see how the opener works on training dummies, particularly the 5-target aoe dummies, since that will be your biggest immediate rage flush on pull if you pull correctly, so you can practice dealing with your rage influx pretty much on demand
lusty grotto
how much 'damage reduction' is this really? is it shit or useful?
theres no real equivalency, dr scales with damage, this doesnt. its an unbelievably bad trinket
opal forum
hey guys, im trying to find a spear macro so it goes instant on my mouse cursor, I might be blind but I didn't found it
surreal kindle
Does anyone know where I can find a weakaura that shows a bar of ignore pain of the actual absorb value?
young tartan
anyone else trying to get Alunira that mount is so cool
lusty grotto
Does anyone know where I can find a weakaura that shows a bar of ignore pain of ...
#protection message here you go
surreal kindle
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1276288447631...
Is it possible to modify it to preview absorb value of maximum possible absorb value rather than time on the bar and numerically show the time, instead?
I remember making it happen last expansion but I lost my weakauras and barely remember how I set it up
lusty grotto
didnt read the message did you?
surreal kindle
didnt read the message did you?
Spam it regardless you mean?
surreal kindle
Regardless I like seeing the value on my screen
lusty grotto
i see
mellow quartz
Knowing the size of your IP before a big hit can be useful. Do I have a 3m IP or a 500k IP can mean a lot.
lusty grotto
fair enough
vocal flame
hey guys, im trying to find a spear macro so it goes instant on my mouse cursor,...
I use this for Ravager
should be the same for spear
opal forum
thank you!
mellow quartz
In a bar, this isn't about gameplay
Read 3 messages above the post you were linked and you will see a paste of a bar WA for IP with size on it
vocal flame
thank you!
my pleasure
surreal kindle
Read 3 messages above the post you were linked and you will see a paste of a bar...
Its numerical I want to make the actual bar feedback be the IP size rather than numerical while the time remaining changes the colour of the bar sort of thing.
lusty grotto
youre probably gonna have to make your own
thats dreadfully specific
did you have a bar that worked like that before or something?
lusty grotto
well, youre not wrong
surreal kindle
did you have a bar that worked like that before or something?
it did indeed
lusty grotto
ok so whats wrong with it
surreal kindle
What is the maximum absorb value of IP atm?
warm plinth
30% of your max HP
lusty grotto
you fetch it from the tooltip
also i gotta say the way you put it is extremely obvious that you want it for gameplay use
surreal kindle
30% of player health then
lusty grotto
which, again, is not the way to use IP
surreal kindle
also i gotta say the way you put it is extremely obvious that you want it for ga...
Eh its nice to see the metric just satisfying 😛
lusty grotto
this part specifically
so you want to be notified via color change that your IP is running out, which does not matter
because you should have it up, when used correctly, and if it fades its absolutely not by running down its timer
anyway thats beside the point
surreal kindle
so you want to be notified via color change that your IP is running out, which d...
I am not saying its optimal by any means
lusty grotto
you can fetch the specific absorb amount from the tooltip
lusty grotto
I am not saying its optimal by any means
its anything but
round pendant
I mean it's displaying the same information just in a different way
lusty grotto
you can fetch tooltip info by ticking a box
round pendant
doesn't point to how he intends to use IP necessarily
lusty grotto
i believe its something like that
"fetch tooltip info" (under triggers, i believe)
and then you can use a text field for "%1.tooltip2", which will display it
that will give you the exact blizzard data for it
surreal kindle
function()
local curHP = UnitHealth("player")
local maxHP = UnitHealthMax("player")
local percHPMissing = (maxHP - curHP) / maxHP
local currentIP = aura_env.currentIP or 0
local descriptionAmount = GetSpellDescription(190456):match("%%.+%d")
if descriptionAmount == nil then
-- On game restart, the returned description is sometimes an empty
-- string, so the match is 'nil'. When it is, use an arbitrary,
-- nonzero amount.
descriptionAmount = 1
else
-- Note that 'string.gsub' returns two values, and 'tonumber' accepts
-- an optional second parameter, so we do not inline the call to
-- 'tonumber'.
descriptionAmount = descriptionAmount:gsub("%D","")
descriptionAmount = tonumber(descriptionAmount)
end
local IPCap = math.floor(maxHP * 0.3)
local additionalAbsorb = IPCap - currentIP
-- account for a tiny bit of mathematical rounding
if additionalAbsorb == -1 or additionalAbsorb == -2 then
IPCap = currentIP
additionalAbsorb = 0
end
local percentOfCap = currentIP / IPCap * 100
percentOfCap = aura_env.roundPercent(percentOfCap)
local percentOfMaxHP = currentIP / maxHP * 100
percentOfMaxHP = aura_env.roundPercent(percentOfMaxHP)
aura_env.calc = {}
aura_env.calc.currentIP = currentIP
aura_env.calc.descriptionAmount = descriptionAmount
aura_env.calc.IPCap = IPCap
aura_env.calc.percentOfCap = percentOfCap
aura_env.calc.additionalAbsorb = additionalAbsorb
aura_env.calc.percentOfMaxHP = percentOfMaxHP
return percentOfCap, 100, true
end
I found some of the code I used before, lol
lusty grotto
yeah that might not work
you dont need to do any of that
just do what i suggested
IP didnt have its value reflected on tooltips before, so all the calcs done in that code were needed, but they arent anymore
surreal kindle
IP didnt have its value reflected on tooltips before, so all the calcs done in t...
Hmm let me try that first actually
lusty grotto
just to be clear this is not a WA tutorial channel btw
so we're severely off topic
#ui-addons-manager has WA wizards
it might be more appropriate
surreal kindle
just to be clear this is not a WA tutorial channel btw
Ah okay. Apologies. Thank you for redirecting me
warm plinth
You're not a WA wizard Nim?
mellow quartz
Its numerical I want to make the actual bar feedback be the IP size rather than ...
I have mine set so the number value turns green when above 2.5m (was a bit below max on the beta)
lusty grotto
hmmm i dont think so ghash
raven jewel
How is prot warrior compared to prot paladin? I just did a dungeon as a levle 74 prot paladin and it honestly felt like trash. Very small damage and I felt like a piece of wet paper
lusty grotto
less damage, more surv at cap
prot pally can be incredibly squishy
moreso than any other tank
but they pump
willow portal
hey bros, trying to create a macro to use ravager and spear on @Player, but doesnt seem to work, any teachers?
#showtooltip
/cast [@player]Champion's Spear
/cast [@player]Ravager
lusty grotto
wont work, both are gcds
mellow quartz
How is prot warrior compared to prot paladin? I just did a dungeon as a levle 74...
They just buffed dungeons and nerfed the scaling today. Can’t compare to previous leveling in dungeons.
lusty grotto
do one @player macro for each
willow portal
true, ty!
lusty grotto
young tartan
dungeons need a buff normal dungeons felt weaker than a t1 delve
lusty grotto
its normal, why would they not be easy
dusky canopy
They need to make normal dungeons harder than mythic end bosses
That way this guy will be happier
raven jewel
*but they pump*
How do you mean?
round pendant
Man, other class discords fucking suck
warm plinth
raven jewel
that is prot war
Give me your best sales pitch
tribal wharf
i'm doing revenge shockwave colossus science stuff, had a revenge hit for 393k so far
it is with highly illegal yogi warcrime talents though
these are them if you are curious (literally just wanted to test colossus builds more)
paper coral
im behind cause of IRL, are there any renowns we want to target more than anything else?
warm plinth
Give me your best sales pitch
Are you ready to dominate the battlefield and lead your team to victory? Let me introduce you to the Protection Warrior, the ultimate shieldbearer in World of Warcraft! If you’ve ever dreamed of being the stalwart defender who stands firm against the tide of enemies, then this is the role for you.
Why Play a Protection Warrior?
-
Unmatched Survivability: As a Protection Warrior, you’re the epitome of durability. With abilities like Shield Block and Ignore Pain, you can soak up massive amounts of damage, keeping your allies safe and secure. You won’t just survive the fight—you’ll thrive in it.
-
Exceptional Control: Mastering the art of crowd control and mitigation, you’ll have enemies tangled up and off balance. Skills like Thunder Clap and Shockwave ensure that you control the flow of battle, making sure your team has the upper hand.
-
Unleash the Rage: Turn your rage into raw power! With talents like Avatar and Bastion of Might, you’ll channel your fury into explosive defenses and devastating counterattacks. Feel the thrill as you transition from a stalwart defender to a force of reckoning.
-
Perfect for Every Situation: Whether you’re diving into dungeons, tackling mythic+ content, or leading raids, the Protection Warrior is a versatile powerhouse. Your defensive capabilities and utility make you an invaluable asset in any group content.
-
Heroic Presence: Experience the glory of being at the heart of every battle. The Protection Warrior is the heroic frontline tank that every team dreams of. Embrace the role and revel in the admiration of your teammates as you lead them through the toughest challenges.
-
Continuous Improvement: With each expansion and patch, the Protection Warrior continues to evolve. Stay on the cutting edge of tanking with exciting new abilities and talent options that keep the gameplay fresh and engaging.
So, why wait? Step into the role of the Protection Warrior and become the steadfast hero your team needs. Embrace the strength, control, and unmatched durability of one of the most iconic tanks in World of Warcraft. It’s time to make your mark on Azeroth and become the legendary defender you were meant to be!
tribal wharf
With talents like** Bastion of Might,**, bot is stuck in bfa
cinder python
i feel like revenge collosus build is a step above a war crime
tribal wharf
i have BT so its interantional warcrime at this point really
cinder python
that shit does unreal damage
cinder python
at a certain point if you do 50% more damage it's just straight up good
lusty grotto
its certainly not that huge of a jump from MT
not even close
this is not the first time i hear 50%
where are people hearing this
lusty grotto
they dont
tribal wharf
i dont even have CB taken which increases it more
graceful kite
Did it show up as a reply to you on your end?
lusty grotto
yes
graceful kite
it showed like I replied to a random guy for me
lusty grotto
look ghash
warm plinth
lusty grotto
youre gonna have to be faster
graceful kite
I mean they pump if you take might and stuff, but you won't take it in a challenging content and you wont pump
lusty grotto
alright calm down ghash lol
warm plinth
magic gate
which dmf card is the best for prot?
graceful kite
I honestly hate prot pala
magic gate
i was thinking symbiosis
tribal wharf
one i have equipped is symb
warm plinth
take what
lusty grotto
prot pallies
graceful kite
I want consecration to be removed from the game
lusty grotto
well youre not wrong txr
tribal wharf
I want consecration to be removed from the game
no
cold wasp
What's the concensus on what to do with our first spark?
graceful kite
and av shield to generate holy power again
lusty grotto
i fucking hate prot pally gameplay
lusty grotto
the only thing thats remotely good on prot pallies is babysitting the group
if anything
the gameplay itself is fucking hot garbage
tribal wharf
lusty grotto
sorry not a saving grace
tribal wharf
few more quests in spooder zone
cold wasp
few more quests in spooder zone
still cant finish Hallowfell anyway
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
GET ME PICTURES OF SPIDER MAN
graceful kite
avenger shield generates holy power, consecration is a 15 yard aura around you, wog off gcd = best shit ever gonna play it all day
lusty grotto
im never putting prot pally anywhere but there
but, they do pump damage
thats my tank fun ranking preference tier list 🙂
graceful kite
bear isnt that bad I tried it a week ago and its pretty button mashy
cold wasp
Grim Toll or whatever it's called now is still the most fun button in the entire game
lusty grotto
its boring
magic gate
Grim Toll or whatever it's called now is still the most fun button in the entire...
kappa
lusty grotto
the only thing thats not as boring on bear is dotc
cold wasp
The one that throws like 6 shields that ping pong off enemies
lusty grotto
fucking moonbear is the same boring shit that it was in DF and before
graceful kite
isnt it unplayable in m+
lusty grotto
as unplayable as colossus
which means not unplayable
dotc at least requires some amount of skill to the mindlessly boring shit bear is
its personal preference, dont read too much into it
lusty grotto
sure
graceful kite
if its not dumb and boring it wont be a bear anymore
tribal wharf
if i had to play bear druid, i would probably play moonbear
tribal wharf
i would fall asleep with a swipe related build, mual, now were talking
warm plinth
Oh, all the more reason to play moonbear then
lusty grotto
that being said, dotc doesnt really break their gameplay
warm plinth
You have to have gameplay to break gameplay
lusty grotto
it just has a higher skill ceiling
colossus breaks our rage cycling, but def has a slightly higher skill ceiling
both do higher damage
lusty grotto
colossus is weaker defensively
tribal wharf
i just remember i would take whatever increased maul and made it spammable
lusty grotto
dotc relies on skill a lot more for its defensives
tribal wharf
it was some really nice cd that let you hit it like 3 times in a row
tribal wharf
theres 2 spells in thinking of there, ones a claw image and the other is a paw image, both deals tons of dmg, paw is you have to spend rage
lusty grotto
you def havent played bear in years
if thats what you think
cause mangle is a generator not a spender
tribal wharf
well, you can, or could, take something for it, makes it cleave to 2 or 3 targets and no cd some crap
thats the talent i always took when i would play that
warm plinth
Yeah I vaguely recall what you're talking about but that's been a very long time
Though I think that function is baked into Incarn now
Makes it cleave and have a lower cooldown or something
lusty grotto
well, you can, or could, take something for it, makes it cleave to 2 or 3 target...
yep youre correct
opal forum
what is the ilv requirement for heroic? i cant see it anymore
desert wind
What trinkets you guys running?
unreal lily
What ilvl do you guys recommend being for M0 when they start
lusty grotto
🤷
inland raft
besides alchemy duratio bonuses any professions have any real advantage?
tribal wharf
still working on loremaster, spiders tomorrow, literal 1 quest for me hallow fall