they're not
#protection
strong forum
You see I just killed things before the tank could even attempt to get threat
On my shaman and evoker
pallid quiver
I was 79 qq
strong forum
Okay yeh by that time I had swapped back to healer
But I also had lowlvl tanks
And stuck with em
Also had a swipe spamming level 77 bear that would perma die
cold wasp
Are all 4 shields in the new dungeons crit vers, or is that a dungeon journal error?
hollow sphinx
With the IP + SS macro, we dont use SS as keybind anymore?
jagged pier
np your arent the first to ask and u wont be the last
hollow sphinx
its so much buttons.. dont have a keybind for all lol
cold wasp
its so much buttons.. dont have a keybind for all lol
gotta get foot pedals
hollow sphinx
and a steering wheel!
terse torrent
Any1 else have a macro that doesn't work right if you queue for Tank while out running around as another spec? My Avatar and trinket macro works while I'm in Prot and if I do a dungeon while starting in Prot. If I'm in fury and que to tank, then when it switches me to tank upon entry, the macro only uses the trinket, but doesn't use Avatar
potent lynx
what's the point of the ss / IP macro ? it's gonna cast both either way since IP is off gcd right ? what's different than pressing IP then using your ss proc ?
cold wasp
not having to press IP ever is nice
potent lynx
you still do though ? the macro replaces IP not both ?
potent lynx
basically just slightly faster
yeah that's what I thought, I was wondering if there was some weird prio thing going on
hollow sphinx
np your arent the first to ask and u wont be the last
If I got that right you replace your normal IP keybind with that macro, so u still have a IP (+ss) keybind + a single ss keybind
ebon geyser
Yeah way until u go in.. you will reevaluate that comment lol
cold wasp
Yeah way until u go in.. you will reevaluate that comment lol
were they like....in dragonflight leveling gear and pressing literally 0 buttons?
jagged pier
If I got that right you replace your normal IP keybind with that macro, so u sti...
yes
hollow sphinx
why dont we just use that macro? so u always up ur IP, and still can use ss
ebon geyser
were they like....in dragonflight leveling gear and pressing literally 0 buttons...
On what? Heroics doubt it
jagged pier
because u dont always want to spend rage on IP
and u press SS far more than IP
so u will rage starve yourself
cold wasp
On what? Heroics doubt it
idk I have been pulling full wings of trash without any real problem, and I am not even that good at this spec
dark plover
Hey @jagged pier ✌️
jagged pier
hi
hollow sphinx
thx a lot
jagged pier
casual life
dark plover
Same
dark plover
Adult life
jagged pier
happens to us all
coral agate
is it possible to macro champions spear (@player) and revanger (@player) in the same macro? Just having /cast spear and /cast revenger only fires off the first line
coral agate
ahh ofc, the gcd
ebon geyser
U raid mythic jakey
strong forum
God bless, tiersets killed tomorrow
ebon geyser
U have more time than me then.. I haven't raid mythic since azshara
strong forum
jagged pier
God bless, tiersets killed tomorrow
ebon geyser
I hate adulting
hollow sphinx
wo we ever use impending vicotry?
clear kestrel
What’s the thing that grants shield block when intervening? That still exists right?
I thought it was a talent now but I can’t find it
clear kestrel
Oh I thought it was one of the leggo that got converted into a talent
Oh well, least I’m not blind
pallid quiver
Champion's Bulwark, a capstone for shield charge, is pretty much the compromise
icy yarrow
jagged pier
it kinda did but didnt at the same time concept was moved not the leggo
pallid quiver
So there's no need to charge weave and play around min range, but it's not as strong/skill expressive/etc
clear kestrel
I’m on mobile clicking through every talent repeatedly cos I was discussing talents with a friend just during a throwaway conversation
And I’ve sat here for like 15 mins “WHERE IS IT?!”
jagged pier
blazing condor
nothing is as bad as guardian channel
jagged pier
i dunno u been in the feral ir ret channel?
blazing condor
🤷♂️
jagged pier
they bad
clear kestrel
This is finally the tier I play some Prot. I’m always a fury/arms boy and for some reason I’m scared of prot so I make a new character for tanking urges
But this expansion im a warrior multi-spec sensation
Did about 12 HCs as prot last night it was very fun
blazing condor
bro is straight up pogging
clear kestrel
Thanks Dog
violet ginkgo
God bless, tiersets killed tomorrow
still works for leveling at least, I heard it is disabled on lvl 80.
jagged pier
well as its for 80s i presume they should work before lvl 80
glacial skiff
Is there an updated IP weak aura? i just noticed the one i'm using is no longer being updated by the original creator
fallow nova
If it's the genshii one, there's someone in the comments that posted an updated version
Though in all reality, we don't actually need to track the size of the IP shield due to IP being a rage dump even if capped
glacial skiff
If it's the genshii one, there's someone in the comments that posted an updated ...
Yeah, i understand it's unecessary but i liked the functionality of his weak aura. Do you know where i can find it? i've searched a few different ways and haven't found it
violet ginkgo
I think he is not necessarily want to track the size of IP shield, I think he want to track the duration?
glacial skiff
Ok i found it, but i don't know if it's functionally the same. Just in case here's a few keywords for others to find just in case. ignore pain weak aura, ip weakaura, wago, wago.io
glacial skiff
I think he is not necessarily want to track the size of IP shield, I think he wa...
Yeah i just like watching the duration, cap, and understanding if my next IP will overcap or not, even if it doesn't matter
fallow nova
Yeah, that's the one I use as well. I prefer having the full tracking functionality as well in case it ever comes up again, just wanted to put to rest any concerns about the need to do it right now.
shy python
Is Mountain Thane the only way to play prot or is Colossus okay too?
strong forum
ColosSUS is just fine to play
Thane will just have it a little easier
But colossus can output alot more dmg
Very fun
Revenge and demolish go brrr
bleak breach
@strong forum so they’re very close? Thane and colossus?
Or thane still preferable?
strong forum
Thane is alot tankier in m+
Colossus is basically you cosplaying a dps that doesn't rly die
So for easier content and Raid, it can perform better
bleak breach
Hmmm intriguing. I will give it a run
Might end up playing colossus for raid and thane for m+
strong forum
Yah probably same
bleak breach
I’m going to have to go try colossus on the dummy because I haven’t done that at all yet.
cosmic canyon
How are you specced/prio rotation to obtain so high revenge dmg%?
strong forum
It's normal dungeons
You just pull 8-10 packs, apply rend and deep wounds
And Spam revenge
Bloodsurge + cds will carry rage gen
And build is the ones on wowhead
Except ITF instead of HR cuz block uptime doesn't matter in low content, nothing does any dmg anyway
cosmic canyon
Question about professions going into wwithin as a solo player with focus on +m. Which professions you reckon are ideal from the get go? Any specific renown to focus on first?
Also, not having played since bfa/early shadowlands, is 'gear upgrade' (1-8) how you progress gear nowadays? Ideally I save my resources until I find some m+ drops yea?
fair crystal
thoughts on this Trinket feels good but just checking in with the crew
icy flax
I see sharing beer 🍻 it must be good
strong forum
I think you gotta proc the cd on it perma for it to be remotely good
Personally also not a fan of simp trinkets
fair crystal
Fair fair
umbral coral
Is it just me or into the fray still give 10% haste ? it's a bug ?
grim pilot
Its multiplicative
umbral coral
sometimes 8%, sometimes 10%
no no, i'm speaking about the buff, not the haste on the character page
ye i'm french sry about that
umbral coral
ye but it was supposed to get nerfed to 8%
tropic tangle
hmmm
strong forum
Does it also grant 10% or just tooltip
Would be hilarious if it still grants 10%
And the "nerf" was just like rally nerf
Easiest to test is just to unequip all gear
And get stacks in town
thick hatch
umbral coral
yeah sec
strong forum
And then 11%
strong forum
Aight ty
umbral coral
i'm pretty sure the bug is here since before the launch
Now that's a secret between us, ssssshhhh don't tell blizz 🫡
jagged pier
doesnt really change much still got to get that haste before we switch
sudden totem
I'll try this thanks!
Still feels fine without it, but feel like we would be getting a ton more demos in if it worked properly haha.
proud heart
guys as mountain thane do we want to press revenge now? or same as dragonlands?
fallow nova
Same rotation as dragonflight
spark cedar
weird that the tier set is still active
ionic fern
weird that the tier set is still active
hard knot
Haven't played with another tank, but I'm seeing that my DPS is the same as the DPSs, are we over performing?
ionic fern
Nope.
fallow nova
Scaling is kind of wierd at the moment isn't it?
jagged pier
nope. we are on the low end of tank damage sims
ionic fern
People are just bad, and stuff is dying really-really fast so numbers are inflated.
violet ginkgo
nope. we are on the low end of tank damage sims
NUH! we need moar damage buff then
daring wyvern
nope. we are on the low end of tank damage sims
How is prot pala comparing? As they said that was the under deliverer
strong forum
Prot pally is a top performer for ST dps
Defensively prot pally however sucks for keys
And for aoe dps bdk and vdh are super strong
Bear is rly good in both aswell
Bdk is ST dps king, kinda
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
Prot does good in m+ overall dps but numbers are skewed cuz beta lag + untuned trinkets + bugged beta dmg intake
jagged pier
@strong forum dont forgor #protection message
jagged pier
🛀
daring wyvern
So for m+, prot war and prot pal both decent choices?
strong forum
Prot pal not so much
Warri yes, pally no
You can still do fine, but they nerfed prot pally a lot
daring wyvern
Will give prot warrior a go
Kinda new to it, feels more APM-heavy compared to protpal
strong forum
Correct
Prot warri is one of the fastest classes in the game
Only very few specs are faster
I think it might even be the fastest
jagged pier
alot of specs are inflated by ticks
daring wyvern
Well, i was holy pala for 15year, wanted to try shadowpriest, checked dozens of guides, cant get ANY decent dps out of it, so looking for new char
strong forum
Yeah spriest guides I heard are all over the place
austere oar
Shadow isn't the greatest in expac releases
strong forum
That has nothing to do with it
It's all balance patches and tiersets
That decide who is the kicker
austere oar
When everything dies in 3 seconds it's relevant
jagged pier
i also wouldnt expect it to do any dps atm as everything dies in 2 seconds
austere oar
Measuring your dps on release day
jagged pier
and priest usually has set up time and time to dot etc
strong forum
Cuz those are not a benchmark for anything
The first benchmark we will see is heroic week
daring wyvern
Did on dummies
austere oar
I figured he was talking about pug content
daring wyvern
Just cant get the hang of it
jagged pier
players still do look up ppl saying we do the same as dps right now
daring wyvern
Might be because never played dps too tho
strong forum
Which is sad
austere oar
Colossus is degen rn with how bad DPS are
austere oar
Same, ended my HC guild runs at 800k overall
jagged pier
did 1 hc run at lunch and topped dps
daring wyvern
You guys always play tank m+?
jagged pier
strong forum
I will for the weekly keys to gear up
austere oar
The revenge spam is kind of satisfying
strong forum
Later on I'll prolly dps cuz it's more fun to dps in keys, tanking keys is snoozefest
daring wyvern
Later on I'll prolly dps cuz it's more fun to dps in keys, tanking keys is snooz...
Is it?
austere oar
And bosses last 20 seconds so unleashing our burst allows up to top very quick
strong forum
If you're me, yeah it is snoozefest
orchid gulch
HC is all over the place, sometimes I get one guy who keeps up, but the burst AOE DPS of MT is pretty okay.
strong forum
You always play the same as tank in keys
If it's a +9 or a +15
Nothing changes
Except your group capabilities
Tanking is the same on any keylevel, if you play properly
daring wyvern
Goal for me is to get 3k without being the healer 😂
strong forum
Best of luck!
dusky canopy
You got it!
daring wyvern
New challenge always fun
strong forum
austere oar
I wish we didn't have to just focus on dmg
Because that's all that's left for us to work on
daring wyvern
What rating do you guys play?
jagged pier
that was why it was good, u had to manage everything to get the most out of the spec
jagged pier
not u just smash face into keyboard and get the same effect
i get portals and stop
because going higher is not rewarding to me in anyway
strong forum
Same
daring wyvern
Dps lgf is annoying tho
strong forum
It is
daring wyvern
Compared to heal or tank
strong forum
It would take me ~4hrs to get into 1 key for 28/29s
Cuz I didn't wanna make my own groups
Cuz im too picky
daring wyvern
It would take me ~4hrs to get into 1 key for 28/29s
Thats puke
strong forum
Eventually just stopped giving a shit
And now I'm not nolifing anymore and the dungeon pool doesn't look as fun
So I doubt I'll push
But atleast affixes aren't a thing anymore
So that's nice
austere oar
The TWW dungeon pool looks like a pug nightmare
daring wyvern
That dungeon with the airships, pure horror
dusky canopy
And now I'm not nolifing anymore and the dungeon pool doesn't look as fun
Glad I’m not the only one
jagged pier
i like how they keep making m+ easier but the dungeons more annoying
dusky canopy
I don’t care for the pool this time around tbh
strong forum
S3 pool was peak
austere oar
The priory and it's 80% ranged packs
strong forum
Literally my all-time favourite dungeons
daring wyvern
Dht, brh, atal, wcm
Goat pool idd
I really hate like nokhud, the new with airships, where you have to interact with things
jagged pier
at least weps are nerfed
ornate thicket
Dht, brh, atal, wcm
I agree df s3 was dope
waxen frigate
at least weps are nerfed
This is not the answer though
warm plinth
Isn't the concern that the weapons are nerfed but the bosses aren't
waxen frigate
Now the dungeon is just harder
ornate thicket
I really hate like nokhud, the new with airships, where you have to interact wit...
I dont like flying mounts in a dungeon ever
warm plinth
Like the problem was that the weapons were required for 2 of the 4 bosses. Now the weapons are nerfed but the bosses are still just as hard
strong forum
DW, in 2 months it'll get nerfed if we're lucky
grim pilot
It would take me ~4hrs to get into 1 key for 28/29s
Imagine trying to get into keys
Xdd
warm plinth
I think you're being optimistic on that time frame Nome
proud heart
the amount of hunters ive let die today are enough to put me on a list
jagged pier
This is not the answer though
the answer is not to bring back dogshit old dungeoins and design new dungeons every season, we pay an subscription to get more content
grim pilot
I think I didnt start applying for keys till 3750
proud heart
like if youre going to pull for me use missdirect
warm plinth
I agree with that
strong forum
Imagine trying to get into keys
Imagine doing homework keys for 90% of the week
daring wyvern
I dont like flying mounts in a dungeon ever
Same, like second last boss in raid, was flying shit too
grim pilot
Imagine doing homework keys for 90% of the week
Better than not playing the game tho
grim pilot
I just tanked in homework keys
jagged pier
brother im just not playing instead of doing homework keys
grim pilot
Up to ~28/29
warm plinth
Nah you gotta live the correct life. Play with the homies, or do 1 key a week, and go play something else
minor helm
the goat exister
daring wyvern
What are homework keys?
strong forum
Keys that aren't score
But you need to push that key up to a high level again after depleting
strong forum
To get a good level on a good dungeon
tribal wharf
i dont think there should be depletion when the servers are this bad and you constantly randomly DC
tribal wharf
have a totally average group, doing average, half way through 1 guy leaves, now you dont time it,
deplete
like............ no........
grim pilot
I mean i kinda get why keys can be depleted
So its not just pure brute force
Thats not skill
tribal wharf
im just so done with that, and i quit alt f4 before key can deplete
strong forum
That's your argument?
grim pilot
Yeah
strong forum
So because someone made 1 mistake
Your key is over
And you need to do 3-5 homework keys again
strong forum
That instead
grim pilot
For the key to be over
strong forum
Missed kick, tank died
grim pilot
Ive timed 30’s with 15-20 deaths
strong forum
On first pull ruby
grim pilot
In s3
strong forum
Exactly
Fucking dumb
Gotta do 3-5 homework keys again
To get your 2nd attempt at it
thats the problem
tribal wharf
i would be totally fine with depletion, if we didnt have disconnect issues
tribal wharf
cuz then its a skill issue, you didnt pay attention to boss mechanics
lusty grotto
moms spaghetti
strong forum
That's why pushing keys is a bigger time investment than skill investment
You can't practice
The punishment for failing the key is failing the key
grim pilot
Idk brute forcing keys aint it
lusty grotto
true
grim pilot
Perma
strong forum
Bro myrt
Why do you think mdi is so much liked and tgp
Cuz you CAN FUCKING GO AGAIN
To practice
lusty grotto
people dont like to rerun the same key level
grim pilot
Its liked because its an event
lusty grotto
therefore = no practice
strong forum
No that's not at all it
Tgp is the best place to practice keys cuz you can make your own key
lusty grotto
strong forum
Retail is 5x the time investment to get practice down
Imagine a raid boss
Each time you wipe you gotta full clear heroic again
Is that cool or fun?
grim pilot
100%
strong forum
Yeah fuck off
round pendant
Yeah they really need to make keys not deplete
imagine if you could just go again
it'd be so good
tribal wharf
the problem is, and always has been
wow has never had a logging tree cutting proffession we do everywhere in the world like in runescape
nice stress relieving activity and useful for materials
lusty grotto
it did in wod with the garrison mech
lusty grotto
i see the tier disabled thing
tribal wharf
is that live
lusty grotto
on wednesday
tribal wharf
hey boys
soak it up while u still can, if u can
get the sun in before it rains lol
lusty grotto
just in time for me to max today
warm plinth
Already had mine replaced with ilevel a couple days ago because I'm a rebel
tribal wharf
i ~~was ~~ am wear 489 2pc 10.2 gear
but like, ya, soon as the fix goes live, imma switch, instant
tribal wharf
im 569 ilvl in bag (nice)
warm plinth
Leveling is super chill
lusty grotto
yea pretty much
dusky canopy
Imagine they forced Immortal runs on mythic difficulty
Like ope you died to Tindral again in the first 50 seconds reclear the whole raid
That’s just L mentality
eager phoenix
It would be yuge
lusty grotto
that would kill a lot of guilds
lusty grotto
honestly, they should do it, but also remove remaining mythic raid obstacles like lockouts
and/or maybe implement a try again thing
on its own it sounds horrible, but with lockouts removed etc it would be doable
eager phoenix
maybe a compromise would be, if you the fail the timer but finish, you get to keep the same key lvl for the same dungeon. and if you instead reset it would go -1 but still same dungeon
dusky canopy
Nah raiding should be expedited significantly
lusty grotto
we're not talking about keys
dusky canopy
Raid buffs should persist through death
lusty grotto
we're talkinga bout mythic raids
dusky canopy
Respawn at every boss
lusty grotto
i thought they were already going for that brew
or at least i saw an interview where checkpoints in raids were "better"
tindral and fyraak, rez in front was so goated
also ffxiv like
dusky canopy
All bosses should be like that
warm plinth
To the M+ point though, there doesn't need to be a compromise. Like we're not a union negotiating a bargaining agreement
lusty grotto
for keys, honestly the crest penalty has to go, its fucking dumb
youre already punished 3 times for failing a key
dusky canopy
Oh and food buff too why in the hell does the potion I drink persist through death but not the whole ass meal I ate before going off to war
warm plinth
I'm still blown away by them adding a bigger death penalty tbh
lusty grotto
they should look at everything M+ does to punish you and figure out the things that just do punishment on top of punishment like death
yeah ghash
what is the point of that
youre already punished twice or MORE for dying
dusky canopy
Same the death penalty is just an L
lusty grotto
dying with cds up? dying with lust and cds up? dying with buffs up + massive run back + 15s? tf is that
dusky canopy
They see people talk about how they time 28s/29s with 20 deaths
And don’t like that
lusty grotto
thats solvable by managing the timer
not specifically death penalties
on its own, dying on a lust pack is already like 3 times the punishment
you lose SO MUCH
its weird how they just doubled down on it
its effectively +2 more punishing now
since its 3 times the timer loss
warm plinth
Alright boys what are the chief complaints in M+?
Depleting keys
Death timer
Not being able to choose the dungeon
Okay what if we only address the death timer?
Well I'm sure they'll be happy about th--
Triple it.
What?
eager phoenix
i guess their take is that m+ is too "free" as a baseline only based on the fact it is 5man group content without an ID lockout. im sure they are terrified if there weren't any penalties it would instantly become maw of souls +7 degen
lusty grotto
now they will
dusky canopy
I still think it would be way better if we just simply got a M+ Key that fit into any dungeon pedestal that you wanted
Appropriate affixes based on key level ofc
dusky canopy
grim pilot
They see people talk about how they time 28s/29s with 20 deaths
U can apply that to almost any key level
eager phoenix
maybe too "out there" but i liked Jb's take that m+ should effectively stop scaling at some arbitrary key level and any levels above that only reduces the timer you have to complete
grim pilot
Just bc u timed 30 with 20 deaths doesnt mean timer has to be tighter
lusty grotto
myrt
warm plinth
I don't really see a point in adjusting how high keys go. A wall will naturally form every season; it doesn't need Blizzard's help.
lusty grotto
you didnt play when timers were the point of the key
dusky canopy
U can apply that to almost any key level
That’s true yes just seems like they’re more concerned with high key players than not because of the key level they chose to activate that
lusty grotto
you did ez mode lax timer keys
timers being the point was better
outright
surviving being the point of the key is just dumb
especially with 15s each time
grim pilot
Idk I enjoy that, pushing to absolute limits
lusty grotto
its not any different
grim pilot
Playing perfectly and if u can survive u pull bigger
dusky canopy
I completely agree that it would be better if they went back to the dungeons being about speed instead of can they survive this
eager phoenix
I don't really see a point in adjusting how high keys go. A wall will naturally...
it solves certain abilities becoming one shot bullshit. the challenge shouldn't be meeting infinite number checks but time management (going faster)
lusty grotto
DF wasnt horrible by any means, thats not what im saying
playing the timer was just a funner system
dusky canopy
It’s ironic that the first iteration of M+ was the best
They should just go back to that
Miss legion so much my beloved
eager phoenix
and its not like the scaling stops at +15 and when you reach +25 you have 8 minutes to complete. the scaling "cap" could abritrarily be like +25 for scaling and up to 25 the dungeon timer is always 33 minutes. but if you go +26 the scaling would be same as +25 but now you only have 31 minutes to finish it.
lusty grotto
the whole point of surviving was inherent anyway, you werent timing if you chain died
dusky canopy
Wonder what a world would be like if the scaling stopped at like 10 or 12 or something and instead every key level shaved off like a whole minute or two
Would be kinda neat
lusty grotto
but DPS was more of the point, than stacking trinkets/versa according to NEC to survive one shots
dusky canopy
Then it’s like hey we need to combine these pulls or there’s no way we will time this
lusty grotto
which in itself is fucking horrible
warm plinth
My point is that there's no need for the system to be limited by anything but scaling. The top end of the system is secondary to things that every M+ player would like to see changed.
lusty grotto
oh let me go to this one site, and check if i have the stats to survive this key's abilities
eager phoenix
its so dumb
dusky canopy
My buddy gearing an Aug late into s4 had to use the website constantly to see if he could survive abilities in 16s/17s at like 500-510ilvl
Some times it was like yeah you’ll survive with 5% hp or whatever
warm plinth
I mean, legion? Everyone running a huge shield on a 30 sec cd, people running shit like fel shield emitter or the tank trinket from argus
dusky canopy
We’d be queuing up ready to fly to the dungeon and he’d be like wait I have to make sure this key is livable
And then we’d just sit there for 5 minutes lmao
warm plinth
Hell you had to line of sight a mob's auto attack in brh to not get one shot
eager phoenix
m+ infinite scaling approach has properly painted blizzard into a corner. they have to either constantly look at hundreds of interactions and adress those or choose to ignore them (which just tilts the community)
dusky canopy
They typically ignore them
eager phoenix
my point exactly
warm plinth
They don't. Because the community isn't doing the top end of keys
dusky canopy
Unless it effects people at the 10 or below level
eager phoenix
if the scaling stopped. they would only have to look at one constant, instead of a million
icy flax
Who up slamming they shield and thundering thy clap
real fossil
It may be wishful thinking, but I’ve always thought there were tiers of casts that needed to be stopped at certain key levels
warm plinth
.01% of the community is doing the top end of keys
real fossil
Like they design a pack to have 1 impactful cast at 2-5, 2 casts at 5-10, etc
dusky canopy
Who up slamming they shield and thundering thy clap
icy flax
5% of the player base clears the raid on normal
real fossil
And that devolves to no cast can be taken Glhf
eager phoenix
Like they design a pack to have 1 impactful cast at 2-5, 2 casts at 5-10, etc
but at some key lvl, due to the natural dmg multiplier going up, every one of those casts effectively become impactful at some point
icy flax
I'm dead ass brew
Most ppl that play this game can't do the reccomended 3 players quests
And there's nothing wrong with that
dusky canopy
I can’t even do quests
icy flax
True
grim pilot
your perspective is DF only
Yes it is
dusky canopy
The addon holds my hand all the way through so that I can play the actual game I like playing
icy flax
Me when a dwarf tells me to go collect some mushrooms
dusky canopy
Raid and M+
icy flax
I play for keys; for friends and enjoy world content a decent amount as well
Raiding ain't for me though
warm plinth
The addon holds my hand all the way through so that I can play the actual game I...
Restedxp saves my sanity
tribal wharf
8% haste sucks lo
icy flax
Haste is my drug and I'm addicted
dusky canopy
I must say though, the campaign quest videos this time around have been a treat
icy flax
I wouldn't say I like questing moreso I like world quests/gathering
If you skipped magnis cutscenes you should watch it on YouTube it was a banger
dusky canopy
Fucking A bro “cutscenes” my mind was blanking hard so I just called them videos lmao
To early man to early
dusky canopy
It’s a he/him apparently so you’re good
lusty grotto
her, or they
dusky canopy
So NiM guess what
lusty grotto
yes?
lusty grotto
im not clicking that
dusky canopy
HAH Gottem
warm plinth
Oh shit got him
lusty grotto
nope
warm plinth
It has Magni Bronzebeard
lusty grotto
thats staying like that until i finish the story
warm plinth
Get spoilered nerd
dusky canopy
It says “ quests” you nerd lmfao
warm plinth
Yeah it literally just says quests haha
warm plinth
Sorry nim
dusky canopy
It’s ok we have fun
lusty grotto
imagine me clicking that at the end of the day today
dusky canopy
warm plinth
Nim I had a very heartbreaking dead by daylight game last night
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Well, I'm glad he said it first because I'd have felt bad ruining it otherwise.
lusty grotto
what happened
warm plinth
I have this dumb challenge I'm trying to do where I have to block hits for people 3 times, then escape at the end. I got the 3 hits and had the gate open to escape. The killer was hooking a teammate and had another on the ground so I went to heal the person on the ground. The killer came back so I went to leave, but they had a perk to prevent people from leaving if they hook someone after the gate is open
I've been working on the challenge for like 3 days and I was literally 3 pixels from completing it
And i was robbed for being nice
icy flax
tlaking to the ashley guy
No spoilers I just said it's awesome 💯😎💯
lusty grotto
all i know is disenchanting seems to be a recurring fucking thing and its annoying me
ikyky
twilit burrow
lusty grotto
ascension is decent
icy flax
all i know is disenchanting seems to be a recurring fucking thing and its annoyi...
Whatcha mean
tribal wharf
i dunno if it still is, enchanting used to be huge money
DE some of my old armor and daily quest items, maybe a raid item i upgraded, make a enchant weapon, sell it for 10k
warm plinth
I bought two of them to pad ilevel kek
Ascension and whatever the other one is that gives secondaries
dusky canopy
POPTARTS ADDED TO MY WORKS VENDING MACHINE
Man I haven’t had a pop tart in like 15 years lmao
Literally
warm plinth
Why don't you like disenchantment @lusty grotto
dusky canopy
This will be good
warm plinth
They got those cinnamon brown sugar though?
icy flax
I remember selling the thing from DEing purps for like 8k ea season 1
dusky canopy
Sadly not the bis kind no only blue berry and strawberry as far as I can see
icy flax
Might fuck around and do it again
warm plinth
Strawberry is alright
fallow nova
blueberry poptarts are fantastic
icy flax
I came to conclusion of id rather eat something else better than the calorie/sugar in pop tarts
icy flax
My mistake 😔
jagged pier
depends on your hero talent
olive bay
I'm just checking the wowhead guides right now
daring wyvern
anyone knows if you hit 80 on second char how you can skip the campaign and get regular quest in new world?
jagged pier
it literally gives u a quest
daring wyvern
I did that, still get the popup to go to silithus
jagged pier
u have to do that bit first
and skip to dorognal
why would lvl to 80 before even getting to dorognal
icy flax
I'm happy to throw spear again
royal marten
You can just go straight to Dornogal on any alt
Just go to the portal room and take the port
Don't need to do the silithus stuff
mellow quartz
Or use the silithus portal, talk to 2 people right there and press ‘seen this before’ and get teleported to Dornogal also
pastel sleet
do we have a vault today if we did heroics last night?
waxen frigate
I did that, still get the popup to go to silithus
You take the skip from silithus when you talk to thrall
warm plinth
I was unable to skip from silithus on my alt
The only additional dialogue I got from any npc was the play movie shit
And the anduin where were you thing
It got quite frustrating as I was just trying to be able to queue for dungeons with a friend
I ended up faction changing my warrior just to not have to deal with it
mellow quartz
Did you finish the campaign on one toon?
warm plinth
Yeah, my woyer
mellow quartz
Strange. All the alts I leveled I just talked to Thrall and he teleported me to Dornogal
warm plinth
Hacks
agile elbow
Did you do the harbinger and the war within quests on your alt you're trying to get to dorne
solid sun
Anyone have any favorite dungeons yet as far as like environment and theme go
mellow quartz
Dawnbreaker
People just dislike it right now cause they have no clue what is going on
solid sun
Been pretty partial to the meadery and priory myself
mellow quartz
Those are S2 dungeons and going away in 2 weeks.
solid sun
Yep
waxen frigate
Strange. All the alts I leveled I just talked to Thrall and he teleported me to ...
Same
mellow quartz
I dislike meadery
waxen frigate
Anyone have any favorite dungeons yet as far as like environment and theme go
Cinderbrew I think has the potential to go down as an all-time classic
waxen frigate
I dislike meadery
You’re wrong
solid sun
Cinderbrew I think has the potential to go down as an all-time classic
Agreed
waxen frigate
People just dislike it right now cause they have no clue what is going on
Brain damage
dusky canopy
Candle place is very good
waxen frigate
Dawnbreaker has a ton of RP combat (bad) Dragonriding in fights (bad) and you’re fairly limited in area (bad)
It’s cool as fuck thematically tho
mellow quartz
Some of the RP is not present in M+
The boats at the start are also further away in heroics than they are in keys and less wind pushing you around
icy flax
I like the mob density in the rookery and Stonevaulr
serene cairn
Hi! Any strong opinions on best Race for M+ pushing Prot War? (Horde)
cinder nova
Dwarf and dwarf-adjacent races.
Being able to self-dispel is huge.
The DR is okay, but not why it's good.
Ultimately it doesn't matter, though.
Unless you're gunning for title, I suppose.
serene cairn
for Horde is belf best b/c of torrent?
cinder nova
You just gotta choke down being a furry and a small race at the same time
-1000 aura
jagged pier
but your race really doesnt matter if u like how bleef looks the best play it
cinder nova
Yeah I don't think race is going to have a very major impact, play what makes you happy.
icy flax
ember sinew
Dwarf and dwarf-adjacent races.
Gnome
fallow nova
A good mog is a 10% DPS boost
tropic tangle
Anyone know if the weekly you choose in Dorn matters?
cinder nova
Fashion Souls > Stats
dire anvil
Mountain thane is absolutely cracked with the amount of rage gen and shield slams
Feels like I’m playing guardian Druid slamming IP
frozen lava
Mountain thane is absolutely cracked with the amount of rage gen and shield slam...
Yeah, it sucks because I like colossus better but it feels clunky because its rage starved so kinda forced to play MT
icy flax
Thunderclapping is why I love pwar
real fossil
You just gotta choke down being a furry and a small race at the same time
Feel like smaller models are easier to position/dodge bad but maybe that’s just a personal preference
astral crystal
@lusty grotto spotted gifting 👀
tribal wharf
Thunderclapping is why I love pwar
🥾 🍵 👏
lusty grotto
im not poor
i just dont wanna gift more than whats necessary lol
welcome back atticusw btw
astral crystal
lusty grotto
get fucked
zealous goblet
i feel barren, like an infertile woman
my shield block uptime has suffered
it might be a rope angle, it is time to hangm yself
lusty grotto
HR gaming
icy flax
When haste is low so is motivation
That's why I spend my crest on the haste alchemy trinket
proud heart
anyone else gets a little pissed off when someone mentions they cried during the campaign?
icy flax
I cried during the campaign
icy flax
That's a weird reaction to someone else's experience
lusty grotto
take it to DMs if youd like to discuss it
proud heart
i wont spoil anything
icy flax
My mouth is sealed
lusty grotto
people cry in video game stories all the time, just look at FFXIV reaction videos
its actually a good thing they're feeling the story this time around in WoW
icy flax
: 💯
lusty grotto
whether they are truthful or not, doesnt matter
proud heart
not spoiling anything, but the only questline that I enjoyed was remember me earthen or something like that, which is a sidequest too
lusty grotto
that one def shook me
the "I... i... i...", in particular
if youve lived through a family member going through something similar like that, it hits hard
the writing was great on it
zealous goblet
my favorite part of the campaign so far was when anduin meditated on why he was so sad, and it turns out its because he mains paladin and not warrior
so he rerolled
lusty grotto
i cant say more, im in zone 2 now
zealous goblet
ill be honest i literally skipped all the story i dont even know why im here, but i had early access and i usually leave that kind of stuff for phone youtube sessions when im trying to sleep at night.
gotta minmax them hours, i did professions
lusty grotto
its a sidequest
zealous goblet
ah i'm sure it'll be included in the video
there's a bunch where it's not just cinematics, but core fights and stuff, or atleast, the end of them
like all the monologues
zealous goblet
aye i misunderstood then i thought it was a monologue, fully voice acted, because of the "i.. i..." thing
but if it's just quest text then rip
lusty grotto
it still hits hard
its like that quest in DF with the black dragon dwarf or w/e
that one didnt hit me hard, this one certainly did
im sure wowhead will make an article about it
proud heart
imo its the only well crafted quest in wow so far, been playing since WOTLK and its the only one that made me read the dialogue
pallid quiver
@strong forum Pinged me to remind you later in the day to look at Spell Block being discussed in the CD section, so I'm reminding now
waxen frigate
ill be honest i literally skipped all the story i dont even know why im here, bu...
I never know why I’m here
I started in shadowlands so I said fuck it, not learning 15 years of lore
Haven’t watched a cutscene or read a quest since
zealous goblet
i cannot be burdened with intelligence
icy flax
Reading is for losers 🤓
zealous goblet
my friends need me nice and dumb so i don't feel pain when i hug the bad guys
pallid quiver
Haven’t watched a cutscene or read a quest since
On the bright side, there's at least dialogue options that reflect that
empty epoch
hey guys, can someone maybe send me a macro that switches charge/intercept depends on target hostile/friendly?
waxen frigate
On the bright side, there's at least dialogue options that reflect that
I click those when I see them
zealous goblet
btw is it me or are professions hot ass rn
lusty grotto
you mean the stay awhile and listens
zealous goblet
is it because no raids or nothing are out yet?
empty epoch
hey guys, can someone maybe send me a macro that switches charge/intercept depen...
intervene*
proud heart
its on wowhead
tropic tangle
is it because no raids or nothing are out yet?
partly this I think, no sparks (unless we get one this week) and you only had the first craft + static knowledge
mighty valley
game resets me to dstance every time I log in... has it always done this. what is wow trying to tell me
mighty valley
ah i barely played during prepatch
lusty grotto
dont worry it happens to everyone
mighty valley
embarrassing if i show up to the dungeon in dstance... i promise this doesn't usually happen
waxen frigate
It’s cring
mighty valley
they really buffed dstance and removed most of the downside though huh
however, bstance could say "+1 auto attack damage"
and we'd sit in that shit
fallow nova
Nothing like getting stoked to know that you'll finally have some time to play after work, only to find out that you now need to go install a new toilet for your in-laws lol.
lusty grotto
jesus
waxen frigate
they really buffed dstance and removed most of the downside though huh
Well it got nerfed defensively from 20%
tropic tangle
sounds like your in-laws are doing enough Thunderblasting for the both of your houses
waxen frigate
But yeah it’s a net buff
waxen frigate
Nothing like getting stoked to know that you'll finally have some time to play a...
Skibidi toilet skibidi toilet
lusty grotto
fuckin nish lmao
fallow nova
Like, I can knock it out in reasonably short order (I redid the ones in my own house, it's not bad aside from wax removal) but this also means we're being taken out to dinner and the entire evening is gone, just like every other one since launch lol.
waxen frigate
His parents are in Ohio dropping straight bangers Kai Cenat style with rizz, make sure you charge them a fanum tax and stand on business
lusty grotto
gyat
fallow nova
The downside to being your family's "move it/fix it" guy 😂
waxen frigate
fallow nova
I missed out about 85% of what would've been my early access playtime due to things coming up 24hrs in advance or less, I'm still level 76 lmao
ebon geyser
can u join guilds in other relms or no
fallow nova
And sure, IRL obviously matters a lot more and comes first, but it's the teasing and then knowing that my time just got eaten up again that kills the soul
mighty valley
i feel you
mighty valley
at least it's still a couple weeks before any real content is ready
fallow nova
Aye
lusty grotto
i transferred back to Arthas and joined my illidan guild when it was turned on
mighty valley
although who knows, maybe they'll blow this toilet up on raid launch day too
lusty grotto
a patch ago
fallow nova
Just itching to get into some of the action, and every afternoon at work turns from "tonight I'll get a couple hours in" to "whelp, maybe tomorrow".
Also my time is 100% spoken for from Saturday morning until late Monday evening this weekend, so no labor day WoWathons either lol
fallow nova
Just gotta spam Ignore Mental Pain harder I guess 😆
proud heart
just live on welfare like real gamers do
fallow nova
Lol
lusty grotto
thankfully there's not a lot of rush right now
fallow nova
I just wanna thunder blast some fools
molten holly
Unless you are doing professions it’s fine to miss the first two weeks
That is fair haha 🤣
fallow nova
It's more of an "I really want to play the game I preordered" than fussing over min/maxing. I'll kind of take my time either way as I'm solidly in "gamer dad" mode these days.
mighty valley
yeah i feel you, i did not have a kid for previous launches and i do now haha
so i'm gonna play very differently
lusty grotto
is that a recent one Harrow?
mighty valley
yeah! she's 10 months today
lusty grotto
oh shit congrats
mighty valley
tyty
fallow nova
Back when I was just na operator I had multiple days off during the middle of the week to get a few degenerate sessions in. Now that I'm the boss, M-F has a ton of benefits and a personal gaming schedule is NOT one of them lol
lusty grotto
shes the age of my nephew
fallow nova
yeah! she's 10 months today
Grats!
lusty grotto
actually no, my nephew is 7 months lol
mighty valley
cool, so is your nephew gonna play a healer or do they need to recruit
lusty grotto
lmao
healer sounds good, since my brother was our BFA healer
and then he perma'd WW
mighty valley
pass down the knowledge...
warm plinth
Good morrow
lusty grotto
has your kid learned to crawl yet
mighty valley
yeah, she's so fucking fast
lusty grotto
nephew is just starting, hes bad at it still
vocal arrow
Yall how can I make prot feel less confusing? Just practice? Got a few hours of it and it seems like my brain and hands just freeze when I gotta do something.
mighty valley
Boil down the rotation to a few simple rules then play a lot
jagged pier
just practice, i mean u might be over thinking it too much
there really is very little to think about nowadays
vocal arrow
I mean it's kinda just shield block and ignore pain right
The last time I really did any tanking was wrath in like 2008
fallow nova
Shield slam as often as possible, make sure you use ignore pain to avoid capping rage, keep shield block up
mighty valley
keep shield block up all the time, use ignore pain to prevent overcapping rage
fallow nova
Thunder clap when shield slam is not up, only hit revenge when there's no other attack to press
(Thunderclap/Revenge once on pull is fine to grab aggro and send out bleeds)
vocal arrow
So ignore pain isn't like keep it up all the time? Just as a rage dump? Or is it both? What about the revenge proc? Worth it then?
lusty grotto
rage dump
fallow nova
It's not like it was back in the day where you need to track absorb amounts, it's just going to naturally get pressed a LOT
mighty valley
you're pressing it too much if you end up with an empty gcd where you can't press revenge, you're not pressing it enough if you overcap rage, that's kinda it
fallow nova
Your overall goal in playing is to generate and spend as much rage as you can, which cycles your cooldowns quickly and keeps your synergies floating.
Also, what Harrow said.
60-80 is a good spot to slam an IP, and you'll be there a lot
The wowhead guide lays it out super easy
vocal arrow
I'll reread the guide today then, maybe I'm just over thinking it like yall said.
fallow nova
It looks intimidating because there are a lot of buttons, but your core rotation is like 5 things,
Everything else is added once you get the basics down and see how it fits in
mighty valley
yeah, the launch sequence of offensive cds is a lot at first
fallow nova
With practice, it clicks together really well
mighty valley
but even then it's basically just "send it when it's up"
fallow nova
Yeah, the opener is just the technically ideal way to maximize your dps when you "press all the things'
Check out the rotation part and you'll see that outside of mini-cds like ravager, shield charge, spear being sent when available, it's super simple and really intuitive once you play it a bit
warm plinth
The hardest part of prot warrior rn is not missing a cooldown because your finger got tired of waiting for the gcd because of our nonexistent haste and accidentally moved to shield slam before your cd cast
vocal arrow
I think my problem has been spending a lot of rage on like slam. But its basically pop offensives when they're up, auto attack and shield slam for damage eh
lusty grotto
read the pins
mighty valley
chuck slam off your bar
lusty grotto
slam is not used
mighty valley
goodbye
fallow nova
Slam and whirlwind should never be on your bars as prot
vocal arrow
Well that's 3 less buttons already
fallow nova
You spend rage ONLY on:
Shield block, to keep it up
Ignore Pain, at ~70 rage
Revenge, when Shield Slam, Thunderclap and mini-cds are all on cooldown to fish for more SS procs
Most of your attacking will be Shield slamming, followed by Thunderclap/blast
With that, you'll see just why we spam IP so much
mighty valley
highest value pin in history
vocal arrow
It seems like I need to re go over my bars cause I think I have a bunch of stuff that doesn't need to be there
mighty valley
i think rend, whirlwind, slam are the only truly useless buttons
fallow nova
Slam/WW/Rend stay off of your bars, everything else should be fine I believe
mighty valley
hamstring kinda borderline
mellow quartz
macro intervene into charge for another open keybind
vocal arrow
I mean even the three is good. It helps my grouping better.
fallow nova
Sweet
mighty valley
it's also good to know what buttons you press a ton and which can be on less comfy binds
vocal arrow
I will have to look into like a charge/shield charge/intercept macro
mighty valley
i think new prot warriors put IP on something awkward and don't realize how often they're gonna press it
fallow nova
I wouldn't put shield charge on charge
mellow quartz
#showtooltip
/Use [@mouseover,exists,harm] Charge;[@mouseover,exists,help] Intervene; [harm] Charge; Intervene
mighty valley
yeah shield charge is an offensive CD, not a movement utility
fallow nova
SC can be used at 0 range, charge cannot
You charge in, THEN shield charge for damage/rage/sb uptime
vocal arrow
And there's no way to make is range specific?
mighty valley
they just have different use cases
shouldn't really be on the same button as charge/intervene at all
fallow nova
^^^^
vocal arrow
Okay that makes sense
mighty valley
What's the tldr on why thane wants spear btw
fallow nova
It was also the single sexiest move in our repertoire, until Thunder Blast came into existence
Spear sims more damage
We only used Roar as long as we did because of the bleed interaction with tier set from DF
zealous goblet
wrong place to ask, but how much are people charging for concentration?
fallow nova
Dumping an Outburst-boosted Thunder Blast into a Spear-debuffed pack is fantastic
mighty valley
roar was the play for s1/s2 of df from what i remember and i didn't play since then
mellow quartz
What's the tldr on why thane wants spear btw
Sims better lol
mighty valley
maybe it's just the thane burst profile
fallow nova
Roar got nerfed, spear got buffed
mellow quartz
Which is a nerf lol
fallow nova
I consider that a nerf
lusty grotto
we never used roar for rage gen
fallow nova
It got made worse
mighty valley
man, i like the theme of colossus more but it's seeming pretty hard to justify
although demolish is great for leveling, just Kill Everything on 45s
fallow nova
I did too, until actually sinking more time into thane
mighty valley
part of what i've always loved about prot warrior is that it just feels chunkier and more physical than other tanks, yknow?
fallow nova
100%
mighty valley
so shitting out lightning just isn't really what i'm here for
but i should give it a go
fallow nova
Think of it as less enhancement shammy and more... Thor.
One of my favorite aspects of warrior was being non-magical, but thane has felt surprisingly nice
lusty grotto
thane makes us benefit from DHs now too via Chaos Brand
mighty valley
it also sounds like it eases the pain of the usual expac de-hasting
fallow nova
It really does
Colossus might find it's time to shine, but that time is not at 10% haste
fallow nova
Well yeah, anything is fine in world content
Or normal dungeons
I'm not saying its bad, just feels clunking than thane
I spent most of beta stanning colossus over thane pretty hard
lusty grotto
last night i did like 3 rares
that were slapping me
and then i noticed they were 80
still killed thme
at 71 lol
gave me warbound gear
fallow nova
Scaling below 75 is super nutty right now
mighty valley
i was able to do that at 71 and now cannot at 75 haha
fallow nova
Yep
lusty grotto
yeah and the ratings game
anyway i kept doing them all the way to 74
whatever 80 rare i saw, i killed
mighty valley
i barely did anything beyond world content in df s4 and the first couple levels still felt silly, can't imagine what it's like for max gear
mellow quartz
I leveled a toon in 440 ilvl gear. Still huge carry at 70 in dungeons
tribal wharf
any idea if or when they will update WCL W11 app to tww?
mellow quartz
Probably before 2 weeks
lusty grotto
when logs matter basically
tribal wharf
ah, im just lazy, when it comes to downloading and installing manual patches
lusty grotto
huh
tribal wharf
i was around windows 3.1 95 days when 1 lil windows .dll / .ini file change brick entire pc
old ass games with complicated patches install that u have to do dilgently
lusty grotto
is this hard?
