protection

[warm plinth]

Unguent caress

[lusty grotto]

2 good seasonals!

[tribal wharf]

never really got anywhere with that idea

[pallid quiver]

every last one has intentionally pulled mobs out of their dnd

[lusty grotto]

2 bad seasonals boo

[warm plinth]

Back when havoc dh didn't have to fel rush for their rotation

[tribal wharf]

infested was so easy lmao

[lusty grotto]

i hate you

[tribal wharf]

i dunno why you guys hated that one so much

it sounded scary but it was easy

[lusty grotto]

why are you reminding me of raden farm ptsd

[warm plinth]

I bought a mythic ra-den kill and got it

And a vita

[lusty grotto]

fuck

you

[warm plinth]

For JY haste memes

[tribal wharf]

i never got the vita or the whatever the final boss trinket was the good one

from nzoth

[lusty grotto]

i got my warrior shit relatively early so cant complain there

but my dh alt, rip

[warm plinth]

I thought I didn't get it

It was literally the very last thing looted

I was already bumming out and then the light came back into my world

[tribal wharf]

week 1 LFR ghuun

[warm plinth]

To this day, I have no idea what ghuun looks like

[tribal wharf]

HORRIBLE experience on lfr, if you did it, you would know lol

thats only way i can describe it

[ionic fern]

Like the last boss of Mists, only a bit less blue.

[tribal wharf]

absolutel hell

[round pendant]

I feel like playing pwar so much messed my brain up

[warm plinth]

Oh, interesting

[round pendant]

I just filled out my bars on frost dk and there's like 1 whole bars worth of buttons missing

[warm plinth]

Also hi @ionic fern ily

[round pendant]

it feels so weird

[ionic fern]

Hi, ily, hope you're doing well.

[warm plinth]

I'm doing good 🙂 I had the rona a couple weeks ago but I'm all better now

[ionic fern]

That's great to hear.

Still enjoying day shift?

[warm plinth]

Yes sir. Though ironically I game with eu friends more than NA now? Not sure how that works.

[ionic fern]

EU people night people.

👀

[warm plinth]

Yeah I guess so lol. Considering even close eu peeps are 6 hours ahead of me

When I get home it's already 11pm in england

[austere oar]

I had guild mates when I was in EU that were raiding during the night with a canadian roster on our server

[warm plinth]

🦉

[lusty grotto]

echo has NA people

liquid has EU people

[austere oar]

You just gotta get used to the ping

[chilly brook]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/wowpedia/images/0/03/G'huun.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200126185302

[austere oar]

But from what I remember it's not that bad

Around 130-150

[warm plinth]

Well he's pretty

[pallid quiver]

ur pretty

gottem

[zenith vigil]

how dare you, iwas having a good day

[warm plinth]

Oh shut

[zenith vigil]

[warm plinth]

Shit

When you write an ampersand, do you start with the top end or the bottom end

[lusty grotto]

neither

i write the A then go around

inner to outer

[warm plinth]

What A

[lusty grotto]

oh youre talking about &

[warm plinth]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

not "@"

[austere oar]

Uldir was a shitshow

Zul made 4 of our DPS switch to sub rogue

The 2 we had had to switch spec

[lusty grotto]

zul was prot parsing heaven

[pallid quiver]

bfa changes tro make more things on the GCD was ass

[boreal ether]

hey if anyone notice that Revange dont give a stack of Colossal Might when hit 3 or more targets or only i have that problem?

[tribal wharf]

GHUUN GUNNA TAKE YA

[warm plinth]

Don't worry we gonna see king's rest come back eventually

Then we get to fight zul again

[pallid quiver]

ur gonna come back eventually

[lusty grotto]

well lets hope spell block works for the dot

[warm plinth]

Ikr

[tribal wharf]

i hate axe lady

[lusty grotto]

not talking about that zul thoguh

[tribal wharf]

axe lady first or second this is

[lusty grotto]

uldir's

[tribal wharf]

total run killer if ppl dont know the in out strat for axes

[warm plinth]

No more dh cheese on 3rd boss or bleeds on the leapybois 😦

[tribal wharf]

if u fall in, u insta die

just for future reference

[lusty grotto]

true ghash

[tribal wharf]

uldir LFR was the biggest shit show clown fiesta i have ever seen in wow period

[pallid quiver]

ghash tank/heal dungo spam my lock up to cap, kthx

[pallid quiver]

N'zoth and Garalon LFR are above imo

Garalon LFR was peak LFR "wtf are y'all doing"

[tribal wharf]

it was hard on heroic too i remember, vex was pretty hard on heroic

normal mode uldir felt nice to raid

[autumn roost]

❤️

[waxen frigate]

I’m going to kill nimchip

With a hammer

[lusty grotto]

this one?

[waxen frigate]

No

Craftsman

Ball-and-peen

[lusty grotto]

i see

[waxen frigate]

Straight into your skull

[warm plinth]

You have more 80s you're supposed to powerlevel me

[lusty grotto]

you spoil me

[tribal wharf]

settle down there maxwell

no need to make sure he is dead (and the reference is got)

[pallid quiver]

can't powerlevel with capped chars

they do poopoo damage

70s are the real powerlevels

[tribal wharf]

yeah, so much so that blizzard said, ya, no, ur leveling up now

[warm plinth]

I'm saying you should be helping me level

Smh

[waxen frigate]

Real

A 528 level 70 is the main fucking character

[pallid quiver]

how, my chars I plan on levelling are mostly all at cap except monk and warlock smh

At best I can fast queue and blast with the monk,

but that's it

[warm plinth]

I dont have any geared alts anyways so

[tribal wharf]

i dunno if thats what happned to me but i still havent done like, a majority of the spider zone

[pallid quiver]

i mean if they're level 70, they're geared

[waxen frigate]

A 528 level 70 is the main fucking character

[tribal wharf]

like the quests

[waxen frigate]

Why did that double send

[warm plinth]

I don't have a 528 level 70

[pallid quiver]

A 440 ilvl 70 still fucking claps

[waxen frigate]

Yah and a 528 can solo bosses in 5sec

[warm plinth]

I didn't even have a 500 ilevel 70

[pallid quiver]

5 sec? why aren't they pressing buttons

[tribal wharf]

all i had was 489 warrior and 470 pala/dk

[pallid quiver]

I saw an Arcane mage kill a boss in two arcane missiles

not channels, two of the missiles from one channel

[waxen frigate]

I think I hit fyralath>thunderclap>mortal strike>overpower as arms

And first boss of stone vault was dead

[warm plinth]

I do need to learn the dungeons though

[pallid quiver]

you're not learning the dungeons other than layout

[tribal wharf]

thats not a bad thing, example the mine carts

[pallid quiver]

I know one mechanic off of bosses after all the dungeons I've done

[warm plinth]

I've only been inside one of them

[austere oar]

How do you guys feel about Dawnbreaker

[pallid quiver]

and that's the right boss in stonevault summons a murder fuck you pillar if he lives long enough

[tribal wharf]

i misseed the minecart option once or twice, thats a time loss in keys which is vital to not time loss

[pallid quiver]

ur a dawnbreaker

[tribal wharf]

so, i think the follower dungeons help

[austere oar]

[tribal wharf]

its like, when u play mario 1 oldschool 1 player by self and learn

no pressure, no timer

u just see it and learn

[waxen frigate]

Lmao the fuckin clap

[waxen frigate]

It’s like speedrunning doom

I mean, so is prot warrior tbh. Let me illustrate

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-shimmy-excited-smile-gif-2048765052329044460

[waxen frigate]

**1. Gearing Up: In DOOM, you know that picking up the right weapons and armor is crucial. In Protection Warrior, your gear is just as important. You’re looking for heavy plate armor and a big ol’ shield. Strength and stamina are your bread and butter here—think of them like the health packs and ammo that keep you going. The better your gear, the more punishment you can take and dish out.

**2. Your Arsenal: Your main weapons are your abilities, and each one has a purpose, like the weapons in your DOOM arsenal:

• Shield Slam: This is like your super shotgun—a hard-hitting ability that uses your shield to slam the enemy. It’s got a short cooldown, so use it whenever it's up.
• Revenge: Think of this as your rocket launcher—a powerful AoE attack that hits multiple enemies. It’s great for clearing out crowds, just like when you're surrounded by demons.
• Thunder Clap: This is your crowd control. It slows enemies down, just like hitting them with a well-placed frag grenade. Use it to keep mobs from overwhelming you.
• Ignore Pain: Consider this your medkit. It absorbs damage, letting you stay in the fight longer. Activate it when you're about to take a big hit, just like grabbing a health pack when your health is low.

**3. Tanking: In DOOM, you’re always on the move, dodging attacks and dishing out damage. As a Protection Warrior, you’re still in the thick of it, but your job is to be the big, scary target that enemies focus on while your team deals the damage. You pull enemies towards you with abilities like Taunt (think of it like attracting aggro in DOOM) and keep them there with your high threat abilities.

**4. Positioning: Just like in DOOM, where you’re always trying to get the best angle on your enemies, in WoW you need to position yourself well. Face enemies so that your shield is up front, and keep them grouped up in front of you for maximum control and damage.

**5. Resource Management: Instead of ammo, you’re managing Rage. Abilities generate Rage, and you spend it on your heavy-hitters and defensive abilities. It’s like keeping an eye on your ammo count—don’t run out of the good stuff when you need it most.

**6. Awareness: In DOOM, you’re always aware of your surroundings, right? Same here. Watch out for enemy abilities, keep an eye on your health and resources, and be ready to react. Situational awareness will keep you alive longer.

---

Think of playing a Protection Warrior like being the Doom Slayer, but instead of mowing down demons, you’re holding the line against hordes of enemies, protecting your team, and making sure you’re the last one standing. It’s all about timing, positioning, and knowing when to use your abilities—just like in DOOM, but with a sword and shield instead of a BFG.

[lusty grotto]

nish is no longer a coward

[waxen frigate]

Needed the right context

[tribal wharf]

unironically, im doing this

[waxen frigate]

Can you review my doom-analogue guide for pwarr

[tribal wharf]

it's, i have to beat 8 lvls in a row without death on UV

fml

hard stuck e1m5

[waxen frigate]

I don’t know much about doom so idk if it’s accurate

[tribal wharf]

eh, ya, doom has keystone like mechanics, the par times by john romero

you dont HAVE to do it, does nothing, grants nothing

but its a fun mind game you can play

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

ya, follow dungeons are literaly doom on itytd (im to young to die, literal baby mode lfr, 1 imp per room)

a learning tool.

[waxen frigate]

Yogi what’s your favorite cigarette

[lusty grotto]

i figure yogi is a menthol man

probably candy ones

[tribal wharf]

i found a point of contention

they dont announce what spell they kicked

[waxen frigate]

Who deleted my cigarette video 😠

[ionic fern]

Me.

[tribal wharf]

they dotn brez either

nvm i lie

[lusty grotto]

lol nish you got an escape plan?

[tribal wharf]

no self reporting zone here lol

[lusty grotto]

this kills the mwahi

[ionic fern]

[austere oar]

Mwahi always face tank with shield block up

[toxic pewter]

What cigarette video

[lilac sleet]

anyone using one of the darkmoon trinkets? wondering which is best for prot

[molten palm]

Which weopon enchant should i be getting?

[tribal wharf]

this is the gear and such i got so far

[uneven river]

Do heroics go live today ? With actual release

[warm plinth]

Check the consumables section of the wowhead guide. Has all the goodies to use

[warm plinth]

Yes, but with 567 ilevel rewards

[molten palm]

Ahh, must have been updated recently didn't see a couple days ago. Ty

[warm plinth]

They don't go to 580 til next reset

Np np. I'd just give the name but idr them yet

[mellow quartz]

But you can upgrade them to 580 with valorstones

[uneven river]

It's something at least 😂

[tribal wharf]

gunna try to finish few delves, maybe some normal dungeon

[chilly brook]

I did a stupid

[austere oar]

Did you open a bountiful delve chest ?

[chilly brook]

I bought a 3d printer

[waxen frigate]

Smoking a cigarette while smoking a cigarette while smoking a cigarette

[waxen frigate]

Printing a waifu?

[chilly brook]

Sylvanas gonna go hard

[lusty grotto]

😬

[tribal wharf]

nah no 3d printer

no ciggs

[chilly brook]

hey now I can like do warhammer or other shit without spending thousands on figures

[waxen frigate]

3D print 500 cigarettes

[chilly brook]

Then again if I cared about getting into that stuff I would have a long time ago

[chilly brook]

3D print a shield for my monk

[waxen frigate]

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

that is the stupidest shit that has made me laugh today

and i laugh at pretty stupid shit

[waxen frigate]

100% a neebz line

[warped badge]

hey im new to warrior can u have 100% shield block uptime?

[lusty grotto]

close to, yes

[cosmic canyon]

Does avatar of the storm & immovable object have synergy ?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[warped badge]

just from usual cd or do i need to observe something?

[lusty grotto]

cdr?

[cosmic canyon]

yes to me? Not worth it over Unstoppable force anyway, is it?

[lusty grotto]

no, not worth it

wdym, SB has no cdr

[warped badge]

i mean can i activly reduce it somehow?

[lusty grotto]

its hastened, which is why we go haste after ilvl and str

no

you cant

[warped badge]

ah okay thx 🙂

[lusty grotto]

you just extend it with SS and HR

[cosmic canyon]

cheers nim

[warped badge]

whats SS and HR? 😄

[lusty grotto]

shield slam

= ss

hr = heavy repercussions

use the search bar in your talents to look for that last one

[warped badge]

ahh okay thx 🙂

[lusty grotto]

@cosmic canyon im not 100% on that one btw, mini avatars usually are fucky

[warped badge]

helped me alot!

[austere oar]

You also don't want to base your survivability around RNG procs

[lusty grotto]

either way its not worth over UF

yeah i think he meant because of mini avatars and TLs

not specifically mini walls

[ionic fern]

With all the new faces lurking here ..makes me wonder.

[lusty grotto]

oh shit mwahi is shitposting

[cosmic canyon]

"survivability" or "window of taking less dmg, playing around cooldowns. I mean if sw triggers perhaps I don't have to use X or Y in that window or rely on team healer to keep me full etc.

it's also "on demand" if I need it, if I self-cast avatar.

However, I'm uncertain if it actually triggers from the 'synergy' suggestion I wrote above.

[austere oar]

The main point is you don't need it

[cosmic canyon]

tested it in a dungeon didn't feel/hear it happen but could've been me being tired.

[cosmic canyon]

I mean, right in this instant I can't do anything harder than "dungeon finder" so you're right 😛 Not that long until release though is it? 2h

[lusty grotto]

I mean if sw triggers perhaps I don't have to use X or Y in that window or rely on team healer to keep me full etc.

there is no such scenario

[austere oar]

But yeah I understand the interrogation whether MT procs mini shield

What if it procs just before downtime

Or when you're not even tanking

[sleek current]

Is it just me or are others experiencing this... I'm being set to defensive stance whenever I log back in.

[austere oar]

Yes Blizz made it that way

[sleek current]

Why? 😂

[austere oar]

You're a tank youre not here to do dmg

[lusty grotto]

they wanted to default a stance so people didnt run without one

and they though d stance would be the choice for us, but its not

[sleek current]

Appreciate it Nim, cheers.
I can see this getting on my nerves shortly. Haha.

[plush tendon]

Tankiness only matters whether or not you die

any tankiness after that is a waste

[austere oar]

@strong forum

[plush tendon]

Typo

grrrrr

[woven estuary]

How is prot war in pvp? BG's

[strong forum]

Can do pretty solid dmg

Execute hits disgustingly hard

[real fossil]

[strong forum]

I tried to edit it real quick but I can't find the exact page rn where was it again

[austere oar]

It was in rotation at the bottom

[strong forum]

Fixed

I think Tomorrow I'll go over the rotation page specifically to go over a few more things

Rn im however already in bed and doing formatting on phone is kringe

[austere oar]

Thanks for the hard work

[strong forum]

According to a handful of tierlists and the extreme amount of prot warriors I met during leveling, I believe so

But hey that's more clicks for your icy veins page!

[tribal wharf]

not sure what to do

[ionic fern]

That's a weird one.

[strong forum]

Last boss starts on the boat

And mid fight you gotta mount up and fly after him

But I've not done the dungeon myself yet so I don't know the specifics

[patent imp]

hi, is the spell reflect G doc fot tww avalable yet ?

[warped badge]

can i overcap ignore pain?
or what i want to press is at 100% and im about to cap rage?

[lusty grotto]

you want to press ip

capping or not

[strong forum]

You don't care about the state of your ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

You care about the state of your rage

[strong forum]

Is linked in the faq

[warped badge]

okay 🙂

[dusky canopy]

Everyone saw Prot in max’s BFD tier list and now we’re a popular spec

[patent imp]

?

[austere oar]

Aren't the content creators praising druid now ?

[lusty grotto]

[tribal wharf]

i hate this dungeon so much

[dusky canopy]

All you gotta do is watch a sense clip once

And you’ll be hooked

[tribal wharf]

i have no idea what to do now

[patent imp]

its df

[dusky canopy]

🐐

[strong forum]

[tribal wharf]

i fought the boss once and he went away and its not showing on map lol

[patent imp]

found it

[strong forum]

Then it's here in the pins

[patent imp]

ty guys

[lusty grotto]

oh

its pinned yea

forget my link

[strong forum]

Druid and pwar from what I've seen

But druid and vdh are the most realistic to be fotm if you ask me

Prot is good and all, but it doesn't buff the caster meta soooo

[pallid quiver]

casters are for nerds

[oak ivy]

How trolling am I for playing thunderous roar with mountain thane for M+, wowhedd says to play spear but im not a fan

[strong forum]

It's not very troll but you will miss out on a bit of damooge (on paper)

But currently with tierset roar is stronger

Cuz well, tierset go brrr

[warped badge]

but if my IP is at 100% i could sent some revenge for dmg to deplete some rage?

[strong forum]

No

[lusty grotto]

absolutely not

[strong forum]

That's not fast enough

[jagged gust]

plus spear assumes you can pull every mob into a 2 yard circle

[strong forum]

You wanna maximise rage generation as prot warrior and revenge (unless you're colossus) is not a good button

[lusty grotto]

once again the state of your IP does not matter

[strong forum]

So you wanna send SS and TC as often as you can, and revenge as filler/aoe deep wounds applier

You're maximising your dmg output by sending ignore pain rather than revenge to dump rage

That's how pwar works

[potent ginkgo]

What professions do you guys think that would benefit the most for a prot warrior he mainly aims for m+?

[strong forum]

Alchemy and engineering

Like everyone else

[lusty grotto]

lol nome

[warped badge]

cause revenge is like half of pain deplete as ip? and we wanna cycle our pain faster?

[dusky canopy]

Alch engi is the way

[lusty grotto]

revenge is a GCD

[dusky canopy]

Always

[potent ginkgo]

Thanks for the fast reply, could you please explain why quickly? ty

[strong forum]

You wanna use buttons that generate rage

[jagged gust]

spend your rage faster*

[lusty grotto]

ignore pain is an OFF gcd

meaning, you can press it BETWEEN gcds

[strong forum]

Alch gets longer flasks, engineering gets fancy tools like combat res

That's it

[warped badge]

ah yy that makes sense

[zenith vigil]

the ELITE and VERY TRUE icy-veins tank tierlist has druids above warriors, so you're safe

[strong forum]

Good

Don't want them fotmers

[dusky canopy]

Real

[strong forum]

Unless they're not annoying

[dusky canopy]

🥾

[strong forum]

Then they're welcome

[lusty grotto]

shhh i need to feed

I MUST FEED

[strong forum]

The rage machine?

[lusty grotto]

give me fotm rerollers for a bit

[shell fox]

you guys know whos the official raid timeline weakauras? cant find the original on wago just copies

[strong forum]

Yeah that's pwar

[potent ginkgo]

thanks a bunch, one last thing, I currently have mining and bs, I think there is no down side of dropping dragonflight BS since TWW will have its individual BS anyway where you'll be training from 1 am I right?

[fair narwhal]

which WA pack are folks preferring in WW?

[dusky canopy]

How many times a day can we say press IP to prevent rage capping

[shy python]

Heyho I need your help..
These buffs WA doesn't load but it says it is loaded. What's wrong here?

[dusky canopy]

[strong forum]

I like my weakaura pack

[lusty grotto]

bros we're not wago

we're warrior discord

tf we know about your own personal weakauras

[dusky canopy]

Clearly it says wago on the server invite

[strong forum]

Check the trigger conditions

[lusty grotto]

ask the authors in their wago page comments

[strong forum]

For each ability

[jagged gust]

they generally load on demand, do you test it while proccing a buff?

[strong forum]

And make sure to check for exact spell ID

[shy python]

I did.

[strong forum]

And yeah they only load when the buff is active

[shy python]

I got the same for prot. There it works

[dusky canopy]

Do you have load options set to only arms or fury?

[strong forum]

Can refer them to the guide

[jagged gust]

Is the spec trigger set properly? I had this same issue with a fury pack imporperly loading in prot

[dusky canopy]

Oh it’s not a bother I’m just memeing
But ye always recommend the guide since it’s yours now

[shy python]

It says it should load in arms

[strong forum]

Anything before TWW doesn't matter for TWW in terms of professions, outside of maybe engineering cuz they sometimes have things from old expansions that can prove useful, like invis belt from SL

[dusky canopy]

And you’re currently Prot spec?

[strong forum]

Or gnomish army knife

[shy python]

No, arms

[strong forum]

His load condition is arms

[dusky canopy]

🤔

[strong forum]

Which is correct

[lusty grotto]

there's a role condition as well

if they scroll down

[strong forum]

But check the talent loads

[lusty grotto]

its how i load luxthos for arms/fury only and not for prot

[strong forum]

Of the load on talents

[shy python]

Hmm no.. ;/

[strong forum]

There's so many things to check rn on WAs

That can fuck it up

[jagged gust]

yeah I want to say everything below spec should be unchecked

[shy python]

Yeah it is

[strong forum]

Cuz wow changed what code you get access to

So alot of weakauras can and have been funky

Which reminds me

[potent ginkgo]

thanks a lot!

[strong forum]

I wanted to updated my shaman and evoker weakauras

[lusty grotto]

have you tried leaving a comment on the WA's wago page?

idk who Doctorio is

[strong forum]

I'm using doctorios devastation pack

It's super intuitive

I like it alot

[shy python]

Not yet. Thought you would see an error

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/DoctorioWarriorFury

[jagged gust]

siiigh, importing

[lusty grotto]

youll probably get more help there

or will can help out

[dusky canopy]

First time hearing of “doctorio”

[shy python]

I'll try. Thank you

[dusky canopy]

You guys dig the packs?

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a new one for me too

they look decent

https://wago.io/p/Doctorio

[jagged gust]

everything is loading on demand for me and there's no issues with the triggers, did you do any custom work on this WA since originally importing it? When did you first import it?

it doesn't have a WW tracker though, which kind of annoys me

[strong forum]

Cuz WW is replaced by Cleave

literally

[lusty grotto]

was gonna say

[dusky canopy]

Such a good change

[strong forum]

Also you don't need to track WW

Cuz it doesn't have a CD

[dusky canopy]

Having both was so bad

[lusty grotto]

on any spec

[strong forum]

Same as you don't need to track slam

Cuz it also doesn't have a CD

[jagged gust]

meat cleaver I mean

[strong forum]

That's fury

[lusty grotto]

now if only they changed WW to turn into Revenge so people would stop asking

[strong forum]

And fury also doesn't have cd on WW

So you just track the buff stacks

Not the ability

[strong forum]

Revenge used to replace slam

But we got it back for some reason

[dusky canopy]

Ehh it’s a me thing probably but I make “dummy” WAs for abilities like slam so that way the WA suite aligns with my hot bars and then I hide my hot bars

Fucks with my brain if I don’t do that

[jagged gust]

dude I got it so twisted, nim linked the fucing fury package and I was testing it lmfao

[lusty grotto]

i 'member

[strong forum]

I did that with revenge, but it's honestly pointless to track these days

I think as Colossus prot I'll hide revenge tbhlad

[lusty grotto]

lol thats the first one i found

[strong forum]

Cuz otherwise the bar gets too long

[lusty grotto]

i didnt know they were split by spec

[strong forum]

Actually it's sometimes good to know when revenge is free

During execute

But I don't want to add the buff to my buff tracker

Too much clutter

I think I'll leave revenge where it is actually

[fading tide]

How’s the hero talents feel at 80? Haven’t played yet. Is mouton thane pretty cool with all the lighting?

[dusky canopy]

I’m pretty sure my top row has 9 or 10 icons lol

2nd row has like 5 or 6

Idr off the top of my head exactly the count

[crystal mauve]

So far it slaps and feels good. Haven’t messed around too much with colossus to compare tho

[pallid quiver]

just be good enough that you can feel when revenge procs to be free, ez

just get in the flow, yknow

[floral tinsel]

It is time

Ressurecting my BFA warrior for them Big Claps again :D

[round pendant]

this lack of haste sucks so bad man

[lusty grotto]

it do be like that

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/bb-baby-yes-celebrate-happy-gif-15513304

When that first TB hits

[jagged gust]

I dunno guys, I tested all 3 Doctorio WAs, the only one that had an issue was an "is alive" trigger that was disabling certains buffs from being tracked situationally under prot

[lusty grotto]

tag yanthir or w/e

he probably changed a custom option or something

[jagged gust]

^

[lusty grotto]

he should just delete WA and reimport it

seems like the best and only solution

well, other than looking at all load conditions

[jagged gust]

If it's prot specifically change the "is alive" under general for buffs to unticked, otherwise simply reinstall as the others don't have that issue and fresh install tracks everything I tested for (except meat cleaver)

[strong forum]

I honestly can't tell

Only reason I can tell is lack of block uptime

Besides that, no shot could I tell that I have less than 20% haste

Maybe cuz everything is dying in 0.3 seconds

And in the open world shit is lagging

So haste is useless anyway

[lusty grotto]

i swear you said the same thing in DF release

[strong forum]

🙂

[jagged gust]

I dropped my spellqueue back to 400 because I'm pressing everything wayyyy too early lmao

[strong forum]

It's not about early

It's about spamming

You gotta spam to hit the sqw

If you're at 400 you only need to hit 3x per second

If you're at 150 you gotta hit the button ~7 times per second

If you're at 100 it's 10 times per second

If you're lower than that you're trolling or playing 7.1 shadowpriest in its mega ramp

[jagged gust]

Intuitively that makes absolutely no sense to me and am now quite confused

[round pendant]

Didn't you not play prot for like 6 months

[jagged gust]

Apparently I don't know enough about the sqw

[round pendant]

hehe

[strong forum]

I played it enough to get r1s in awakened raids

[safe quartz]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/spell-queue-window

@jagged gust gl

[dusky canopy]

Dabbed on em

[strong forum]

[dusky canopy]

Press the keybind once at the exact proper mili second

Not 10 times

[round pendant]

lol I'm just saying maybe you forgot what it's like to have haste

[strong forum]

Hell naw

[grim pilot]

Isthis hc

Or myrhic

[round pendant]

I have 11% haste I want to die

[strong forum]

I don't get to have fun on mythic

Result would be the same tho

[grim pilot]

Yeah me neither xd

Lemme check my hc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

No prot

[strong forum]

I only done HC as prot cuz otherwise only clowns are tanking

Don't have arms logs I think

[grim pilot]

Idk timas always had okay tanks

When we did those weekly hc runs

10-15 arms warriors

[strong forum]

Only bad ones

[grim pilot]

In 1 group

[strong forum]

I was half of them tanks

Cuz we couldn't find tanks

Ye my arms logs are trash

Only 1 good log and it's dathea

[jagged gust]

okay so I do know enough about the sqw, but thanks anyways that link should be handy for sharing

[grim pilot]

Look what I found

@strong forum

Whos that

[grim pilot]

21 savage

I think u have more kills on prepatch than I do whole awakened xd

I just didnt bother rly

My previous guild gave up on getting portals so I went afk mode

[strong forum]

I'm trialing with guild so

[grim pilot]

On war

Yeah im trialing too somewhat ish in s1

[strong forum]

I did fucking ducks didn't I?

[grim pilot]

Most of the people played together

[strong forum]

Or what boss was that

[grim pilot]

Its nymue

Xdddd

[strong forum]

Nymue

Hm

Can't remember for shit what happened

I got bomb bounced

I think

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, I think that was streamed even

[grim pilot]

U got stunned

[pallid quiver]

i think you got griefed

[grim pilot]

Xd

[strong forum]

1xstun doesn't kill

[round pendant]

tbf I think a lot of my clunky feeling is the server lag

not just lack of haste

holy fuck it's so bad rn

[strong forum]

If you're in open world

It's lag

Not haste

Especially hallowwhatever name it was

Is turbo laggy

[grim pilot]

If u can read cyrillic

Xd

[lusty grotto]

also especially if youve been changing the whole netcode thingie

[strong forum]

I got bounced no?

[jagged gust]

dude for like all of sunday the spider zone had a -500ms debuff, that shit was silly

[grim pilot]

No clue

[strong forum]

I swear I had bomb

[round pendant]

yeah I'm doing world quests

[strong forum]

And leapt into bomb

[round pendant]

I just thunder clapped and nothing happened for 2 seconds

[mellow quartz]

imagine being a DK and still now being able to press DRW on the last platform for last boss in Dawnbreaker 25m before expac launch, at least we don't have those kind of bugs!

[strong forum]

Must be haste

But yeah, you guys better log off in 25min servers will die

[mellow quartz]

I love how they fixed first boss in Dawnbreaker not moving due to spell queueing by lettting her teleport all over

[warm plinth]

Drw is a crutch

[mellow quartz]

now if you charge her (from max range) she teleports to your charge start spot

so you have to run back....

[strong forum]

Taunt before charge or heroic throw

Don't do the denathrius

Where you open with charge

And he TPs behind you

[mellow quartz]

Think she would teleport by any aggro from range

Due to the moving boat and how they fixed her

If you move out of range at certain times during her casts she teleports to you during the fight as well

[tribal wharf]

this legion hammer will go perfect for thane mogs

that and i wish i had the lightning shoulders for s1 df

[pallid quiver]

well fuck me i guess

[woven estuary]

Dwarf horde finaly

[pallid quiver]

in a week and a day

[warm plinth]

There's some good ones from the trading post this month too

[austere oar]

damn my prot warr is simming 90k higher in ST 5 minutes than my brew 570 vs 564 ilvl

[tribal wharf]

ironically, the best looking on theme lightning enchant for it is named ..... colossus..... OMEGALUL

[pallid quiver]

so what are people's guesses as to what ilvl is required for heroic dungos

[austere oar]

555 should be enough

[pallid quiver]

as in what you need to queue

[austere oar]

there probably wont be a queue

[pallid quiver]

pain

[fading tide]

Horde dwarf got cool tank racials?

[jagged gust]

nah, people just want horde dorfs

[crystal turret]

I saw a wowhead article earlier this week about keeping 4 sets. Are we one of those specs? Or do we replace tier with higher ilv gear?

[jagged gust]

4p no, 2p if it's not disabled

[pallid quiver]

We'd keep 2p

[jaunty arch]

what crafting item should we use? im confused bc in some places it says the shield, in others bracers/belt

[lusty grotto]

depends on what you'll do

[jaunty arch]

ill probably only make it to 2-3 mythic raid bosses at most

[lusty grotto]

a crafted shield might give you a leg up on our most important slot

[jaunty arch]

my guild will do mostly hc

[lusty grotto]

but...

[pallid quiver]

Shield's most important stat is ilvl, so if the highest ilvl shield you can get is a craft, you want one

but crafted ilvl is capped blow the max possible ilvl to obtain

[lusty grotto]

if youre planning on doing mythic first bosses, then it might not be worth

even still, youll have enough sparks for enough shit

[tribal wharf]

i bought all of the storm hammers except for purple

in the trade post

[torn gulch]

they changed heroic gear to adventurer track

well we'll do heroic now

[mellow quartz]

Was also stupid that world quests gave higher ilvl lol

[pallid quiver]

551 ilvl to queue into heroics

as a heads up

Tier appears to still be active for the moment

[warm plinth]

smh

[round pendant]

smh

[tropic tangle]

they never learn with this, do they?

[lusty grotto]

hope you guys are ready for lag

btw, usually its just DKs memeing with army

[round pendant]

my friend refuses to drop his old items

bruh

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

ha ha that was sorta me

except i'm only like 54x

543

[tribal wharf]

do i keep 489 2 pc

[tropic tangle]

I'm still sitting on my 2 piece, but not nearly as bad

[round pendant]

it feels terrible dropping super good purple gear for some shitty green

[pallid quiver]

where's gear to get me to 551

[tribal wharf]

cuz i dont have 528 2pc

[tropic tangle]

wq, rares

[pallid quiver]

will trade nim for 551

[tropic tangle]

some crafted

[warm plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[round pendant]

Wonder what they could do to make the gear and stat loss feel less bad expansion to expansion

🤔

[pallid quiver]

remove stats fromg ear

[warm plinth]

Gear is cosmetic only no

now

[jagged gust]

And instead of ilvl we have to grind the power level of our weapon

[round pendant]

or get this

remove like half the gear slots

make gear more complex

some arpg shit

[warm plinth]

Just make us like Diablo where we start doing trillions of damage per attack

ezpz

[jagged gust]

blizzard would lose so many subs if they made gear even a 10th as complex as something like poe

[round pendant]

nah it doesn't need to be that complex

[mellow quartz]

the only issue with heroic dungeons is that if you pull them as you would a normal, the group dies

[round pendant]

talent presets fucked for anyone else?

try to swap and it's like

"you need to spend all talent points" or whatever

[unborn wasp]

Any1 knows what are the BIS Trinkets?

[pallid quiver]

none, really

All the trinkets are still kinda ass, for like everyone, so we're expecting a tuning pass

If you want to optimally farm right now, your best bet would be "Gotta catch 'em all!" so you have whatever ends up bis

alright, able to queue for heroics now

[tropic tangle]

if you have presets you didn't level with, you can't swap to them because of hero talents

just have to grab an import link

[round pendant]

Got kicked from heroic dawnbreaker because the other guys were just ignoring me telling them what to do

they're just fighting random fucking mobs in the town for no reason

and not the elites/objectives

👍

what a great dungeon blizz

[round pendant]

This fucks over people who had different bars for different trees

[wary heath]

Weekly quests don't seem to be up yet despite launch , only new thing I see since launch is queue for heroic dungeon lol

[tropic tangle]

bet that comes tomorrow

no vault prog today either

[round pendant]

God the questing this expansion is cancer

why are like 80% of the quests

Run here, click thing, run back, repeat

genuinely prefer boar livers

[cerulean tusk]

Just dung farm

[jagged gust]

don't forget, pull on this weed without being able to use any movement abilities and it slows you by 90%

12 times

[cerulean tusk]

They do love that one

[warm plinth]

I honestly didn't mind the leveling

I have only done alliance side though; not sure how much it changes for the other side

[round pendant]

I'm just fucking bored of the terrible quest design

and I'm extra annoyed that I got kicked from a dungeon for being correct

[cerulean tusk]

🫂

[jagged gust]

We still love you

your fries are amazing

[lusty grotto]

logging all my alts to get rested, while i look for an m3s clear party

might as well start, cause not a lot of parties lol

[tribal wharf]

oh damn realms got a qeue already

[lusty grotto]

which is why

i went back to Arthas

[cerulean tusk]

^ Nim logging on

[cosmic dagger]

I though HC will be stronger Like Blizz Said, still pulling half dungeon without issue 🤣

[round pendant]

well

it's old m0 difficulty

not very hard

[cerulean tusk]

we already did that with m0

[cosmic dagger]

But they were like " we make HC and M0" difficult

[round pendant]

well

more difficult, not difficult

[frozen sundial]

Is it always worth it to cast CS then Ravager? Ie one after the other? Are there exceptions?

[marble cipher]

So, tier set still not disabled it seems 🤷‍♂️

[round pendant]

maybe after reset

hopefully

[mellow quartz]

servers are getting F'ed lol

keep DC'ing

[chrome mirage]

is prot warrior gonna have some funny business with the tier sets like fury ?

where it's not worth changing it til super high ilvl

Or is it safe to just change to 4p asap ?

[upper spoke]

anyone having trouble logging in?

[pallid quiver]

It's kinda worse, in that 2p is likely worth an infinite amount of ilvl

because it gives 10% dr just flat out

[inland raft]

ya until they straight disable it, stuck with 2 set even if its not max df ilvl

but pretty safe to say theyll disable pretty quickly, just in preseason there isnt a reason to prioritize it

[vivid orchid]

yea ive got 2x 528 hanging around

but ill bet it gets disabled

[vocal flame]

servers def crashed

[fluid widget]

yup servers crapped for some people

[mellow quartz]

just started working again for me

and dc'ed first pull in a dungeon right after

good times

[zenith vigil]

server instabilities? on release day, after 1h45m?

say it isn't so

[torn gulch]

europe is very smooth

at the moment at least

[zenith vigil]

yes one part of euros are certainly smooth

[torn gulch]

bait used to be believable

at some point

[zenith vigil]

the future is now, old man

[magic swan]

locked into an instance after crash. cant retrieve character 😦

[warm plinth]

[jagged gust]

thats an intended feature, now go log in and start leveling those alts

[south zealot]

its like midnight

to be expected

its prime time in na

[storm apex]

Hi guys, quick question. Is Spell Block a huge gain or can i swap it for Bolster in m+?

im running out of buttons

:D

Or is it better to drop Rend?

[mellow quartz]

better to learn to use modifiers

[storm apex]

Oh wait nvm im only getting rend for thudnerclap

[mellow quartz]

alt ctrl shift

[storm apex]

Couldnt find the talent in the warrior tree that used to do that but they changed it

[mellow quartz]

rend is in the protection tree

[storm apex]

yea, but the "if you have rend then thudnerclap applies rend" used to be in the warrior tree

they removed that and gave that effect to rend

[mellow quartz]

was changed to be standard

[storm apex]

cheers

[south zealot]

spellblock is basically required

[mellow quartz]

probably not in the content he is doing if he is concerned about running out of keybinds

[south zealot]

at that point you can argue no talents are required

[toxic pewter]

area 52 just blew up and died

[pallid quiver]

i was just about to play with ghash qq

[drifting dagger]

damn a52 completely offline lol

blizz is a great company

[rugged glacier]

First time tanking since like original TBC. Done a bunch of follower dungeons with no problem. Should I just jump into heroics or do the like 80 only normal dungeons as scaling makes lower levels in dungeons a mess?

[toxic pewter]

yes just jump in best way to learn

most importantly have fun

[jagged gust]

Just remember there's gonna be several million dungeons run over the next couple weeks

if you bomb you'll probably never see those people ever again

[pallid quiver]

Heroics are probably about a usual skill level. The biggest issue with tanking heroics literally right now is that most people will be expecting you to know everything so they can speedrun dungos

Which is very hard for dungeons like Dawnbreaker

[frozen lava]

bruh colussus size gain needs to blike 20%. 5% you cant even see

[daring grove]

25%

[frozen lava]

id try clunky rotation and being rage starved to make my mechagnome giant

[tribal wharf]

blehh im not gunna be getting online tonight unless i transfer to a dead server

probably all week

[autumn roost]

has anyone checked to see if delve can go above t3 yet

[torn gulch]

not happening until 10/11th

[fallow nova]

That's a shame. With currently available gear, they probably won't get interesting until around tier 7 or 8

[storm apex]

cheers

[storm apex]

I 1-5 + RTQEFGV, with SHIFT and CTRL modifiers, hasnt caused any problems playing up to +22s in the past

But atm it seems prot has more buttons than they've had in a while

[pallid quiver]

the only issue is cows will start to be literally unable to walk through doors

[fallow nova]

That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

[tropic tangle]

did they really make every dungeon shield in TWW crit/vers?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty much

only haste shields are in mists and one more

and its short haste

iirc

i know theres 2 in the returning dungeons

[pallid quiver]

they could secretly add on to grim batol out of nowhere

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure one of them is grim batol

i could be wrong

[pallid quiver]

Unless they change it from the dungeon journal, that's crit/mast

[lusty grotto]

i checked during beta, and i know for sure Mists is one of them

oh

[pallid quiver]

but they could change grim batol's entire loot table since

But it would be super funny for them to randomly bring back dodge/parry/etc stats

[lusty grotto]

could be siege

nah nvm

so that leaves NW

lmao

not nw either

so just mists i guess

mastery haste

[jagged gust]

I dunno, Ive found plate gear with agility on it

No telling what to expect anymore

[lusty grotto]

mists + queen

in the raid

those are the 2 haste shields

both short haste

queen has the better stats

crit haste

but gl getting that on mythic lol

[sudden totem]

Anyone else noticing that Colossal Might isn't triggering off of revenge?

[toxic pewter]

I think I remember reading apparently need seismic reverberation for it to work correctly (I think this is a bug) Obviously anyone correct me if I am wrong..

[zenith vigil]

how come spell block ability isn't mentioned in the defensive cooldown part of the rotation on wowhead guide :V

[limpid orbit]

Colossus to me seems dope but I know everyone saying mountain boys

I’m just gonna go colossus and be big brain the description hooked me in

[pallid quiver]

maybe with a little bit of cheat engine

[jagged gust]

It's not like fury where you're losing 20% damage swapping heroes, Colossus still schlaps

[pallid quiver]

@strong forum this actually might be worth adding to the guide considering how useful spell block is likely to be

especially since the builds on site all have it

[pallid quiver]

At any rate, it was probably an oversight since Nome swapped over as the writer for Prot Warrior recently, and spell block is

awkward

in terms of when it will work. It won't block all magic damage

It'll block some magic dots, but not all. It depends on what Blizz blesses you with

[manic charm]

Silly question, but what is everyones favorite Alliance Race for play Prot warrior? In terms of aesthetic?

[pallid quiver]

but in working it's also simple; you just block spells for 30s

[pallid quiver]

dorf

[rain plover]

is it me or is our dmg stupid atm

[mellow quartz]

Compared to what and at what level?

[pallid quiver]

we're like mid of the pack for tanks, for the record

[tribal wharf]

whats max crityou guys have been able to ss for maybe say full ilvl and party buffed

i swear with the procs from thane one time it said tool tip like 227k, another time swore i saw it hit for 557k, could be sc, that does about that much on average crit

or tc, curious about clap dmg, revenge builds ard demolish doesnt seem great tree for us

[frozen lava]

yes! I was wondering what is going on, I thought I was just misreading the ability

[rigid hull]

w8 whats this champion spear build

is this the new meta build?

[wary heath]

Roar nerfed and spear does more dmg

[lusty grotto]

roar isnt nerfed, it got SL capped

its just slightly lower damage, so we play spear as MT

especially when we break 2pc

[rigid hull]

i see

it seems fun

bigger crits

for everyhting

[lusty grotto]

we still play roar as colossus

[rigid hull]

theres no way i save 2 pc ye?

[lusty grotto]

you do

[rigid hull]

hmm

which pieces?

shoulder and gloves i guess

[lusty grotto]

probably not chest and helm

so yeah

[rigid hull]

alright sir

[lusty grotto]

shoulder and gloves is the best bet, least amount of stats

[pallid quiver]

the bleed capstone did get nerfed compared to DF

It only increases the damage while roar's active

[pallid quiver]

They are deactivating tier sets for level 80s on the 28th, so you can get rid of it if you want to before then.

since in the end, it won't really matter; Heroics are easy enough you don't need the tier

[merry sluice]

🤔

[wary heath]

Roar was nerfed, yes

[rigid hull]

we still do haste crit?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[lusty grotto]

no

thunderous words was nerfed, not roar

it was SL capped

we still use it as colossus

[wary heath]

Does roar generate rage anymore nim

[lusty grotto]

why does that matter

since when do we need roar for rage?

thats absolutely not something we worry about

do we spec roar for rage with colossus? the hero talent tree with less rage gen?

because we do

so why does rage intake matter

[wary heath]

Roar and its capstone were nerfed , but you seem really upset haha, so ok

[lusty grotto]

haha ok

and fyi, the capstone is literally Thunderous Roar

by definition

[long stone]

love blizzard and timegating... not - earthen playable 3th september

fu this shit

[cosmic canyon]

7 days? Normal raid lockout. All good.

[long stone]

nahj , dont like it that blizzard says when to play smth 😄

same as i want to binge watch a series , and the next episode is one week apart ^^

[stark fox]

Are there any decent crafted/heroic dungeon trinkets? Not sure which ones to try to farm lol

[lusty grotto]

farm whatever

it doesnt matter

all of it will get replaced

[stark fox]

That's every piece of gear in the game forever though.

[lusty grotto]

in a week

not a season

thats really not a good comparison

but if you want to see it that way, why are you asking

[cosmic canyon]

*why are you playing

[long stone]

thought raid opens 11th?

[lusty grotto]

the 10th

unless if youre EU

[long stone]

as i said 11th 😄 you know it already 😛

[lusty grotto]

true we NA beta test on the 10th

[long stone]

❤️ !

[soft tusk]

is there a cap to haste?

[lusty grotto]

not that you can get

[graceful cobalt]

hi guys is there a new wa for spell reflection for tww?

[soft tusk]

Which weapon enchant should we use?

[graceful cobalt]

Enchant Weapon - Authority of the Depths

[soft tusk]

and gem?

[graceful cobalt]

Culminating Blasphemite +Deadly Emerald

[south zealot]

do not buy enchants and gems right now lol

thats insanely expensive for no reaosn

reason

[lusty grotto]

that wont be the last of it

people are idiots

[graceful cobalt]

silver is 500g if that is to expensive for you than sorry

[soft tusk]

28m gold.. it's meh

came back to the game and just decking out.. feelsgood

[lusty grotto]

decking out, until tomorrow

[south zealot]

if u got 28m gold u can do whatever the fuck u want

[lusty grotto]

✅

[south zealot]

most ppl dont though

[south zealot]

weapon enchants certainly arent

[graceful cobalt]

weappon on silver you got for 3-5k thats not that much

[lusty grotto]

you do you

[south zealot]

are enchants server specific

[lusty grotto]

idk what the fuck silver is, but in DF we called it 2 star or t2

[south zealot]

maybe illidan mfs are just tax as fuck

[lusty grotto]

they sound like EU

[graceful cobalt]

silver =2 star or T2

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what i said

word for word

[jagged pier]

just buy the cheap stuff until u have good gear

[proven plume]

what is the thunder blast icon supposed to be?

[lusty grotto]

the dark is a hammer

dark part

hand and hammer

hammer left, hand right

[proven plume]

all i see is blue question mark

[lusty grotto]

blood and thunder icon

[proven plume]

OH i see it

[lusty grotto]

yeah well, everyone sees the question mark lol

so youre not on your own

[grim pilot]

Where is it

[lusty grotto]

i certainly thought it was a question mark when BnT first showed up in wow

its literally the thunderclap icon inverted

or kind of

the hammer is more detailed on the bnt/tb one though

if youre struggling to see it just look at TC's and then look at the dark area in that one

[lost sedge]

Any Question Markers?

[jagged pier]

?

[lost sedge]

thunderblast icon, i see the hammer now, but cant keep seeing the question mark, that is all

[blazing condor]

?

[strong forum]

Ya ill go over some stuff today, annoy me later in the day about it again so I remember

[jagged pier]

[timber viper]

any not when we drop S4 tier set

i guess theyre disabling in a day

[storm wren]

Wow. Looking at it like this. Absolutely amazing UX/UI design

[strong forum]

I hope they disable them, otherwise you can just sim it, but I also reckon ~50ilvl on both pieces of the 4pc probably outweighs it

[strong forum]

I still can't see the question mark

It was always the Hammer throwing sparks for me

Too pre-conditioned from TC I guess

[pliant pond]

hello, im gonna ask a real noob question. playing as prot for the first time. got 4 set and very good gear from df s4. at what point to i start going out of the setbonus from df? got solid gear in bags that would take me from 544 -> 560 but i'm not too sure how much i lose out on not having the set bonus. sim says switch but i don't always trust sims, especially not for tanking

i assume it's just say goodbye to old stuff generally, but like i said, i'm really not sure how that works with previous set bonuses

[strong forum]

#protection message

:3

[pliant pond]

oh my god, thank you, i didn't read 😂

[strong forum]

If your sim says to switch, then switch

You can trust em

If you break 4pc you technically should also start playing spear

[blazing condor]

then we got this shit

[strong forum]

But since in normal/hc dungeons mobs just fall over

The 45sec CD of roar usually should get more mileage

[pliant pond]

yea, that's what I figured regarding spear, been playing with the recommended talents for s1 m+ already to get used to spear on prot 🙂

[strong forum]

Aight

[pliant pond]

thanks for the help mate, appreciate it 😄

[ebon geyser]

Not in my groups.. ppl die and leave in HC..

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[pallid quiver]

Can confirm, some people just asplode in normal dungos, let alone heroic

Had a warrior get dropped by two autos in a normal dungo while I was on my Shaman

[jagged pier]

havent even done a hc yet but im almost certain they arent an issue