Just too many buttons
#protection
waxen frigate
jagged pier
but its cool
waxen frigate
We don’t have the globals to really play it
I’ve been a big RJW fan in the past
But I’m prob dropping it in real content
Especially because we get a big keg smash cpm increase with tier
waxen frigate
here's a breakdown of a 3:30 rare elite (as shado pan)
RJW doing 3% is pretty smoge
i was barely able to keep 60% uptime
jagged pier
waxen frigate
and frankly
i shouldve cast chi burst 3 more times
but its not yet ingrained into me
so subtract like 20% of rjw's dmg and double chi burst's
for what it shouldve been
jagged pier
chilly brook
Not a good button
Maintenance buff aoe button just doesn’t feel good imo
The change they did for WW for RJW was a much better direction to take that ability
waxen frigate
The change they did for WW for RJW was a much better direction to take that abil...
id really like to see it implemented as a combo for SCK and removing the purifying brew combo
chilly brook
id really like to see it implemented as a combo for SCK and removing the purifyi...
I’d just like to see SCK be a button worth pressing
waxen frigate
sck is for on-pull aggro basically
chilly brook
Yeah I just use it between packs when I’m moving to double or triple pull etc
Been really enjoying brew though
Is very fun
chilly brook
The other hero talent ye?
waxen frigate
shado pan seems so much better for current content
chilly brook
Shado pan just omegalul
Randomly jump to like 3m DPS at the start of a pack because you proc’d
I messed with MoH on beta
Seems cool, but all my playing it was on WW
waxen frigate
Randomly jump to like 3m DPS at the start of a pack because you proc’d
watching your 10 procs get eaten with the last attack on a pack 
chilly brook
watching your 10 procs get eaten with the last attack on a pack <:critcake:98454...
True tho
chilly brook
It does kinda feel bad though
Because like outside of the proc your damage profile really slows down
waxen frigate
Because like outside of the proc your damage profile really slows down
for moh or shado
chilly brook
Pressing a button and having a burst of damage feels a lot different than randomly (I know it’s not actually random but not worth tracking) having a passive burst happen
chilly brook
I mean it’s not nothing
chilly brook
It was your 5th damage done in that
waxen frigate
yeah but its also buffing tiger palm, keg smash, and bok by way of passive increases
waxen frigate
in other news
i think we need to brutally murder the foot fetishists brought out into the public light this xpac
thoughts?
winter shard
Thank you!
paper coral
Hey all, i have 8 pieces 493 Tier set from DF. at what point should I start replacing the pieces?
patent musk
is shield block hasted? wondering if the 8% haste talent is better than the block extension talent from shield slam
shy python
Is there a new IP tracker WA? The old one is broken
Edit: Found one: https://wago.io/HJbdun3yN
sweet summit
i think we need to brutally murder the foot fetishists brought out into the publ...
we don't kink shame, but we do silently judge...
waxen frigate
we don't kink shame, but we do silently judge...
i kink shame loudly
astral crystal
fast oracle
can someone help me understand why the colossus M+ build uses Show of Force but the Thane one doesn't? It seems like a pretty important talent to me
dawn coral
Hi friends noob to tanking and prot. Lots of video guides over watched days shield block can be up all the time in fights but there definitely comes a time where it’s off and the charge is on cd
violet ginkgo
can someone help me understand why the colossus M+ build uses Show of Force but ...
because colossus emphasis on your revenge.
patent musk
if deep wounds is 10% of my damage, isn't that better than brutal vitality? since u can overcap ignore pain and thus waste the talent point, especially in aoe, but fueled by violance would always work. And that works at about 11% life leech from fueled by violence, whereas brutal vitality is like 10%, but split in half
i am still in the dungeon levelling process, but i find myself having too much rage and overcapping ignore pain, so surely brutal vitality is not taken?
jagged pier
Hi friends noob to tanking and prot. Lots of video guides over watched days shie...
yep it can very well be, with the correct talents and correct play
fast oracle
because colossus emphasis on your revenge.
But doesn't thane focus on thunderclaps, making the buff more valuable?
jagged pier
yes it does but as thane u barely press revenge
so show of force doesnt do much for u
and because u press TC far more is makes TLs an insane talent to take for dr and rage gen
fast oracle
Sorry, TLs?
jagged pier
thunderlords
fast oracle
why not both? Is ravager that important?
jagged pier
yes
rustic galleon
anyone has the questline bug ?
mellow quartz
Hi friends noob to tanking and prot. Lots of video guides over watched days shie...
You mean while leveling or as a fresh level 80? People on beta had much higher ilvl than you do now and haste levels.
grim pilot
is shield block hasted? wondering if the 8% haste talent is better than the bloc...
Yes haste talent is better but u need a certain amount of haste first to use it otherwise you will have gaps in your SB which probably means death
Not sure how much is it for tww but for reference u needed 5400 in df at the very least
patent musk
wait, so if gaps in shield block is death, is there any harm to just spamming it on cd in aoe?
grim pilot
There’s not unless its a niche situation like pack is almost dead and u need it for another pack obv
Its not like demon spikes which unless you play LR have to use as a defensive, its something that you have to have as close as possible to 100% uptime (and well 100% blocked hits but yeah)
naive swan
Hi everyone! Does anyone know if Colossal Might is bugged? Maybe I'm missing it, but I do not seem to get a stack when Revenge damages 3 targets
patent musk
Its not like demon spikes which unless you play LR have to use as a defensive, i...
haha u say that, but i was running the 100% spikes uptime build instead of fire brand spread
made it much safer
fallow nova
Refresh my memory from the beta channel - isn't Thane pretty much on par with Colossus for single target, with Colossus only pulling ahead in aoe when you can safely dump rage into revenge spamming?
echo egret
Does Thunder Clap go up in priority if it's a Thunder Blast proc ?
echo egret
So "without a Violent Outburst proc, no."
strong forum
correct
TC does not move above SS in priority
outside if generating threat
on pull
echo egret
outside if generating threat
👍
naive swan
Found the answer, hopefully this helps someone 🙂
strong forum
yeah i figured that was it
mellow quartz
Does the wowhead prio list not mention thunder blast without violent outbursts procs at all or am I blind?
Looking at the above screenshots
strong forum
correct
cuz it doesnt change anything in priority
i might expand it in the future to properly explain the prio for TB in aoe
but this made it for now alot less cluttered
mellow quartz
Think it would on only confuse people when it doesn’t show on the list at all
strong forum
it doesnt take prio tho
only on 2 charges
like youre not making a mistake
by sending SS on Cd
fallow nova
Nome - during your testing, thane was pretty much even with colossus on single target damage wasn't it?
frosty mango
is storm shield bugged? did a search didn't see much. When i was testing with it, it only puts a 30k shield which makes it seem like its on base armor not total armor
may also be a tooltip error
strong forum
Nome - during your testing, thane was pretty much even with colossus on single t...
ye
mellow quartz
it doesnt take prio tho
Looking at some logs of say the first pull in SV.
1 TB with Avatar and no demo shout is abt 3.3m damage overall and 1 SS is abt 310k damage. You saying the SS rage gains will make up the different in priority?
strong forum
the TB isnt going anywhere
after your SS
you know that ye=?
and youre not getting TB procs from TB
but from SS
🙂
mellow quartz
say you get multiple SS procs though if you keep holding the TB you can hold it a long time
fallow nova
ye
Cool, and on single target, non-outrage TB only takes prio over SS when sitting on two charges, correct? Or is the potential of getting the two bonus SS not worth missing out on a SS cast in the moment?
strong forum
on ST outburst takes turbo prio on SS
fish for it witrh revenge if you can
even over TB
but its not as detrimental
to send outburst on TB on ST
compared to TC
fallow nova
I mean non-outburst
fallow nova
Even on 2 stacks, right?
strong forum
no
strong forum
you wanna weave between 2 charges
if you have 2 charges on any of the abilities
ye ill write that down later
fallow nova
That's what I wanted to be sure of
mellow quartz
feels so messed up when you see multiple charges of SS and SS is on CD without getting any reset procs for seconds
fallow nova
When I was playing that's what made sense to me if we're trying to maximize room for charges, just wanted to be sure I wasn't adding unnecessary nuance if it was still supposed to be "send SS if it's up, nomatter what"
mellow quartz
also TB stacks can add up fast lol
strong forum
so you make use of atleast 1 charge
mellow quartz
strong forum
in case of proc
fallow nova
Yeah, I'm gonna make a wa to track my stacks for sure then.
mellow quartz
all you have to do it show stacks on the icons
fallow nova
Also an option
strong forum
thats what my pack does
analog lantern
Am I missing something or is there a particular reason we use CS as Mountain thane now?
strong forum
CS?
analog lantern
champion's spear
strong forum
cuz it does better
as thane
than roar
they buffed spear and nerfed roar
if you didnt know
fallow nova
I think as of prepatch, we were only sticking with roar because of tier
strong forum
^
fallow nova
Not sure I "like" spear more, but it's nice to have something different now and then
analog lantern
alright cheers. Why is TR still the choice for colossus?
strong forum
cuz it interacts with the bleeds and dmg amps of colossus more
as is explained on my hero talent page on wowhead
fallow nova
Book of Nomeratur, chapter 3, verses 1-18
analog lantern
cheers
god I know it was updated a while ago, but I still hate the new spear appearance. Looks like a muddy puddle on the floor :c
Was there any guidance about when to drop the DF S4 tier sets?
strong mauve
which darkmoon deck would be the best for us atm?
strong forum
ascension
round pendant
Why do so many peoples weakauras have fractional numbers for their positioning and sizes??
can someone explain
grim pilot
they buffed spear and nerfed roar
Only nerf was to initial hit thats its not uncapped anymore no?
strong forum
sometimes you get 2px borders
strong forum
Only nerf was to initial hit thats its not uncapped anymore no?
and TW
round pendant
Yeah, because people are using fractional scaling on their entire UI
or the WA group
grim pilot
Tw was so fucking powerful
Idk how much it does now
But used to be like 12% in sims
For 1 talent point
round pendant
2px/missing border is caused by having fractions somewhere
grim pilot
Or maybe that was when I checked aoe, no clue - still hella strong
round pendant
and since elvui fixed the issue with their scaling, these WAs just don't work for me without me going through and fixing all the numbers :^(
strong forum
round pendant
WHAT
round pendant
Nope it doesn't
But what's your UI scale in your graphics settings or elvui?
and what resolution are you on?
strong forum
1440p
round pendant
If you do /run print(GetScreenWidth(), "x", GetScreenHeight())
and it's two integers
strong forum
round pendant
then it's fine and you don't need subpixel sizes on your auras
yeah
see that's why you have to do that
round pendant
yeah
round pendant
I scale .53 and just size everything manually
strong forum
round pendant
elvui had some issue with the auto scale iirc but they fixed it
now using auto at 1440p sets you to 0.533333 or whatever
I can't stand knowing that my game is scaling in a way that I have to use weird subpixel sizes on everything to avoid 2px borders
spent ages fixing this back in S1 of df lmao
tribal wharf
4k60 and above is REALLY taxing for any computer that doesnt have like 4080
depending on age of game ofc
daring grove
Wowhead guide says MT outshines Colossus in M+, any idea around what key level Colossus will drop off? Really enjoying it in the reg dungeons so far, wondering how high I could push it.
violet ginkgo
It's not about drop off it's just MT just so much easier to play
mellow quartz
colossus is perfectly fine to play in keys
let me find the quote from the beta channel where nome said 'tried colossus and got railed in NW'
strong forum
but you have alot less rage to work with
strong forum
let me find the quote from the beta channel where nome said 'tried colossus and ...
tbf it was the literal first key i did with it
like 1st beta key ever
tribal wharf
i had at least a 500k SS at one point questing in the campaign
was like 557k and change with thane
so, ya
violet ginkgo
Means you will have to perfectly play with your rage spent and generation, one wrong move can really cost you something compared to Thane which is nice in rage generation, so you can make slight mistake and not really feel it.
daring grove
I set up both, but Demolish is a really fun ability (when it works)
tribal wharf
that and i was like lvl 78 79 with shit questing greens and mostly 489 DF s4 epics
so, thane seems really busted lol
daring grove
Yeah, thane is kind of crazy
mellow quartz
also if you were like me and had no clue then there is a portal in Dornogal to the southern most zone and back!
tribal wharf
that and dual cast storm bolt
i love dual storm bolt so much
i ended up not like demolish as much as i found that you get like 1 or 2 of the hits off and not the big one
shrewd ore
Hey, quick question, if you get an avatar of the storm avatar proc and then press avatar do you extend or override duration?
tribal wharf
and you deal essentially same dmg which is essentially rng proc, easier to get, works with SS which gains rage, fits into the machine
i think thane ultimately winner
i want to try demolish with raid buffs as dps tho
daring grove
Is barbaric training worthwile over sidearm with all the other revenge buffs piled on from colossus or does it just exacerbate the rage starvation issues of colossus too much? I don't see it listed on the colossus build next to the other like 4-5 revenge buffs or whatever
mellow quartz
Is barbaric training worthwile over sidearm with all the other revenge buffs pil...
the extra rage cost for revenge is absurdly bad
waxen quarry
evil
strong forum
Hey, quick question, if you get an avatar of the storm avatar proc and then pres...
Override
iirc
shrewd ore
Yea I would have assumed so, ty
strong forum
Cuz the manual avatar cast also resets TC and grants TB
Whereas the random proc does not do these things
mellow quartz
yep, just overwrites it
hearty stump
do we just bin the 4set and get 564 greens?
violet ginkgo
do we just bin the 4set and get 564 greens?
round pendant
Yeah I've been considering changing the frame sizes/positions
dawn coral
You mean while leveling or as a fresh level 80? People on beta had much higher i...
Okay im at fresh 80 and having a hard time keeping 100%
mellow quartz
dont worry about it
vague abyss
hello, as someone who have only played dps but wanted to try tanking, is prot warrior ok in TWW? tried setting it but damn it does have too many buttons
clear spindle
hello, as someone who have only played dps but wanted to try tanking, is prot wa...
In my experience as a casual player you can get pretty far with prot warrior simply by focusing on maintaining a constant shield block uptime. The pins have more in depth information but that's what I worked on first.
vague abyss
yeah im trying to get it used to, also heard is one of the most APM heavy specs, according to this report https://simulationcraft.org/reports/DF4_Raid.html (yeah i know, is for dragonflight, but i dont feel it changed that much in TWW)
no wonder why i feel like im playing on steroids, im a destro warlock main, not used to the speed xD
mellow quartz
you linked DF S4 not TWW but sure pwar is probably abt around 80-90 apm at max gear in keys
would be less in raid
vague abyss
you linked DF S4 not TWW but sure pwar is probably abt around 80-90 apm at max g...
well in simulationcraft there is a TWW report, but its not complete/reliable yet because it has partial beta data
im thinking in just going the noob but reliable spec, sigh
clear spindle
I've never been able to enjoy anything slower than fury warrior.
white mauve
As a relatively new tank as well - I gave up trying to tryhard understand the theory and just made sure i understood the basics and am learning as i go
There's so much information that looks to targeted at "if you want to do 1% M+, do this everywhere" that I basically got overwhelmed
And so far i just love smashing people in the face with a shield and lightning. Simple pleasures!
vague abyss
i get the basics at least: "keep shield block up, spam shield bash and revenge, use ignore pain when expecting ouchie" i guess i have to track a lot of cooldows xD
going to run a few heroics, well i dont have early access so not much else to do, m+ at this point feel pointless xD
pallid quiver
i get the basics at least: "keep shield block up, spam shield bash and revenge, ...
Change that to IP to avoid capping rage and you have the basics other than send CDs on CD
white mauve
haha, I'm not saying it's not valuble, and I don't fully understand it but there's alot to be said about 'getting a feel for things'. I'd say i've vastly improved since I just understood my skills by reading them, getting a decent keybind set (and sticking to it) and asking pointed questions as I go.
vague abyss
It makes me appreciate the tanks more though, as a dps the only thing i care is if my offensive cds are on and how to aoe, as a destro is usually a binary choice of rain of fire or chaos bolt
white mauve
I guess my point is that i gave up being kicking myself if I didn't notice i was rage capped for 0.5 seconds as that's 'the done thing' by spamming IP/Revenge depending on the situation. I'm of course wrong and shouldn't be rage capping but it kinda put me off reading guides etc saying "You need to do this at this point, and don't do this as this point".
white mauve
It makes me appreciate the tanks more though, as a dps the only thing i care is ...
For sure, I love it so far even though it's hard work. The anxiety of being the 'defacto' leader of a group is something I don't think DPS appreciate much.
My biggest challenge tbh is the visual element - Trying to squeeze in everything i need to see at once whilst also actually enjoying watching the game. Using mostly default UI with a few WAs i made to track CD's.
clear spindle
The next step is learning boss mechanics and when to use interupts.
mellow quartz
it's quite simply when you boil down the basic rotation, hit SS then TC when SS is on CD. You press IP to avoid capping rage and if both SS and TC are on CD you press revenge to try and get SS resets.
always keep SB up in the background
all the rest can be added after
white mauve
The next step is learning boss mechanics and when to use interupts.
Yeh, I was a fool to think that running some normals in early access would let me get a feel for the dungeons ahead of heroic etc release. Having DPS chain pull from boss 1 to boss 2 wasn't quite what i expected so soon 😄
Didn't really want to sit and watch Quazii videos on the dungeons and learn in-game
mellow quartz
if you are talking about dungeons while leveling people are just speed running them for xp
dont worry about any mechanics
pull big onto bosses and do damage
you can ignore and stand in everything
clear spindle
It's the classic tank and spank except the tank isn't needed because the dungeons are so easy.
vague abyss
im trying to fit my keybinds in a confortable way i guess:
1-4 (Shield Slam, Revenge, Shield Block, Thunder Clap)
Shift+(1-4), Charge/Intervene macro, Avatar+Shield Charge, Spear or Roar macro, Revenger macro
Ctrl+(1-5), Shield wall, Spell Block, Rallying Cry, Last Stand, (Potions)
R and SR - Taunt and Challenging Roar
E and SE - Execute and Impending Victory
Q and SQ - Pummel and Storm Bolt
F - Spell Reflection
T - Trinket
Mouse 4 and 5 (my mouse have 2 buttons) - Demoralizing Shout and IP/SS Macro
got damn it so many buttons, and i already merged a few ones
im not sure what to put on the mouse buttons though
mellow quartz
whatever works for you 🤷♂️
clear spindle
If you want a couple extra buttons I recommend trying out movement on ESDF instead of WASD
white mauve
That's mine - I'm using a razer naga so ALT+ is the mouse 1-6 side buttons. Again - I'm not expert but works for me
I use R etc as rotational too as they're just off WASD
mellow quartz
everyone has their own keybinds that work for them so do whatever you feel like
vague abyss
i guess im trying to make it work like that because i usually use 1-5 as rotation, shift+ for offensives and ctrl+ for defensives CD. Reactive spells i move to letters, Q E R T and F, with Shift and Ctrl as needed.
Oh forgot two more buttons, C-E for Heroic Throw and C-R for Heroic Leap
white mauve
I tried bundling categories together but found i would use some from a category more often than others so i just put things i use most - easiest to get to and generally structured it so almost every keybind is within easy-ish reach. More difficult ones are things like S+T, A+5,A+6 (purely because the button location on the naga is kinda awkward for the thumb
fleet flicker
Is there a rule of thumb for when to press IP? I feel like I'm rage starving myself by spamming it too much, but then again it does give me CDR on my big abilities right?
white mauve
I also tried WA packs, but it just cluttered my UI so i moved the entire action bar set up to the middle instead of having 2 sets of buttons on the UI
I like the concept of the WA profiles, but found using the standard bars + some WAs i created to track the things i cared about more useful (Mainly i have the cooldowns just off left of my char which glow when available and in combat)
champions spear, avatar, ravager etc.
mellow quartz
Is there a rule of thumb for when to press IP? I feel like I'm rage starving mys...
to avoid capping rage
fleet flicker
Yeah I'm kind of just sending when I can so starving myself
I'll use it to avoid capping ty
vague abyss
i for one prefer using WA's, if i set it up correctly i dont even have to look at the actions bars and the WA have the info i need, i do use other wa's to track stuff outside of the class WA
also keeping it as close to the middle too so i can always have it at eye-level
mellow quartz
here is what I track
bars dont show what they do out of combat, here is in combat
spark vigil
Hello Guys, Anyone know if New race will be the best for protection?
mellow quartz
it won't
solid sun
I’ve already seen a lot of prot warriors out in the wild
Idk if it’s the same effect as when you buy a new vehicle and then see it everywhere or something else
raven salmon
Was always going to play prot warrior but it feels strongk
mellow quartz
I’ve already seen a lot of prot warriors out in the wild
its early access, nothing to do but level
most people then level all tanks
so you would see everything
vast bronze
mellow quartz
Do most people level all tanks
the people who play tanks, not random dps
also you might have dps warrior mains leveling in dungeons as prot for faster queues
vocal flame
wow roar is going bye bye in m+?
mellow quartz
for MT
fleet flicker
I did get told that the reason we run spear had to do with the mountain thane hero tree but I couldn't see anything specific about spear in there.
vocal flame
pretty cool have not used spear since when it was relevant
charred ivy
Will ppl go thane for mplus probably?
mellow quartz
yes
fallow nova
It's a lot easier than colossus in m+
Much more rage gen = more IP spam + cooldown cycling due to rage economy.
Also things like TB giving you 8% dr from mobs hit by it, and TB is fairly common.
fallow nova
Thunder Blast
charred ivy
Aha
fallow nova
Colossus is cool as hell, but it's geared almost entirely towards offense
And really mainly pulls ahead in aoe when you can spam revenge, which in all but trivial content is the exact WRONG way to play current-era prot war
If we had big sexy Ignore Pains like in the Legion era it might be a different matter, but with IP being a rage dump that we kind of spam, Mountain Thane plays into that playstyle perfectly compared to Colossus
charred ivy
Ye mountain thane don't seem to swap our gameplay much? Or maybe I missed smt. Haven't play yet
tropic tangle
it's pretty similar
fallow nova
It doesn't change it much at all
You run spear now instead of roar, and Thunder Blast procs can alter your prio a but depending on single target or aoe, outrage procs and TB stacks, but for the most part it's the same
Like, it takes more effort to read what I just wrote than to get used to the thane rotation lol
You just feel 100x times more badass doing it than you did in Dragonflight
charred ivy
XD sounds good. Considering main tank this season.
fallow nova
It's a good choice
mellow quartz
sending thunder blasts in AOE is a goooood feeling
fallow nova
I dropped paladin for warrior this expansion and I haven't regretted it for even a moment
tropic tangle
extremely satisfying when you hit hit TB into SS reset + 2 free SS
fallow nova
When I level my pally, it'll be for healing
tropic tangle
just absolutely slamming
fallow nova
Outrage-boosted TB into half a dozen mobs is just the best lol
charred ivy
Tb is just tc that has procced?
mellow quartz
Outrage-boosted TB into half a dozen mobs is just the best lol
outburst
mellow quartz
Tb is just tc that has procced?
pallid quiver
All TC modifiers apply to TB as well
mellow quartz
the node just above it boosts tc by 40%
etc
well I guess thats the 40% mentioned in that tooltip
tropic tangle
also feels real good for seismic to affect tc
native pollen
Guys do you level on proc or fury/arms?
tropic tangle
leveled on prot, it was fine
mellow quartz
Guys do you level on proc or fury/arms?
If you wanna dungeon spam to level then prot is insta queues. If you are doing the storyline it doesn’t matter.
novel comet
Why does the WoWhead Raid Colossus build take Earthquaker but doesnt take Shockwave? That an oversight? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/talent-builds-pve-tank
mellow quartz
Both talents affect shockwave
You don’t need shockwave in raid
You have to take one
You can also run the intervene shield without the intervene talent as MT if you don’t want stormbolt to have an increased CD.
native pollen
If you wanna dungeon spam to level then prot is insta queues. If you are doing t...
Doing side quests with my tank alt, no sure if its faster proc or dps
tropic tangle
if you're looking for speed, spam queue dungeons as prot
otherwise just do whatever, it's gonna be about the same
violet ginkgo
You can also run the intervene shield without the intervene talent as MT if you ...
sad for this though, I wish that talent spot is more into general design rather than super spesific like that
native pollen
otherwise just do whatever, it's gonna be about the same
Perfect
novel comet
sad for this though, I wish that talent spot is more into general design rather ...
Terrible design IMO.
violet ginkgo
well it is not your opinion it's sadly a fact T_T
I think we all agree the shield is just too small and then the increase CD on stormbolt is just bad.
novel comet
The hero trees in general are very...underwhelming.
patent musk
i was hoping ther shield thing was a solid 20% of someone's hp
because that not too big, but just big enough to supplmenent 1 shots
right now with my napkin math, it looked to be like a power word:shield, which just incredibly low
patent musk
10% hp is equivalent to a power word: shield, and u never saw priests shielding someone to save for a 1 shot. the reason is that the value is too low to consider.
with 20%, it feels like it is possible to forgo a defensive usage and get the shield, but with 10%, it is still using a defensive WHILE not living, which is rare
and also the opportunity cost of 1 point, and also the fact the warrior wastes 2-3 gcds
i think people would rather get a stronger shield on a longer cd, than a weaker shield on a 30s cd, cause that is not fun for the warrior, and it is not fun for anyone to rely on a 10% warrior shield
mellow quartz
Can be with the use of a defensive if they are low before a hit
Can be many useful cases
Also a random hero talent shouldn’t exactly be a super strong external
patent musk
no doubt it is useful, but imo it just isnt a fun talent for both parties. It is equivalent to a brewmaster monk using vivify on a person that is not topped off before a boss mechanic
tribal wharf
outside of monk healer, we didnt have monk back in tbc and wrath.....
patent musk
maybe it scales with vers/crit so it isnt that bad
south zealot
10% hp is equivalent to a power word: shield, and u never saw priests shielding ...
wdym
they shielded themselves
to prevent a oneshot
on every single mechanic
patent musk
i mean shielding ANOTHER person
south zealot
bc they had to sue it on themselves
patent musk
it doesnt feel good to give something that weak to someone else
especially if it costs 2-3 gcds and 1 talent point
for priests they could do it FOR FREE, and they still never shielded others
tribal wharf
ppl on voice would talk about "poop shield" earth sheild, and ppl LOVED being inside priest power word shield in 2004 vanilla, then there was the big bubble vroom meme that turned into a meta for em
and we use to compare healers and the druids and paladins and such would get mad at the healers that could bubble them up
monk one is pretty great too,
mellow quartz
patent musk
i suppose thats like 9% of someone's hp?
idk, but just thinking about having use intervene 5 times in 1 boss fight makes me feel weird about it. Would really prefer it to be like 1 mil shield on even triple the cooldown, so it feels better to press
mellow quartz
Mage has abt 5.8m hp
mellow quartz
idk, but just thinking about having use intervene 5 times in 1 boss fight makes ...
That’s first boss in NW even without the shield you completely negate the frontal by intervening whoever is targeted.
Was more to show the shield strength at 626 ilvl
harsh trellis
Hey stupid question time..... anyone else see this every so often?
the pruple outline thing
turbid shuttle
I think there's a trinket that does something like that
mellow quartz
Pretty sure it’s a trinket yes
harsh trellis
I think there's a trinket that does something like that
thank you, it has to be this then.
I hate it
turbid shuttle
if you and the other person hating it are both wearing that trinket, it sounds likely (or just unequip and see if it stops proccing). but yea I think that's it
I had it for a short bit leveling and noticed that also
sullen wadi
Is there anything worth spending resonant crystals on? The items seems really poor for us?
sullen wadi
What would i be spending it on later?
wary heath
mellow quartz
What would i be spending it on later?
sullen wadi
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-P988ibclxaKCGrAcrx_v1X-hLdkCVUgy_ZFPzLNn_s/...
thanks! just what i needed
ebon geyser
is there only one chest up? cant see the second one
patent musk
is there a weakaura that tells us when we can reflect high damaging abilities for m+?
mellow quartz
there is one on wago based on the reflect sheet in the pins
patent musk
so like during the cast bar a sound or cast bar appears of the high damaging spell
sullen wadi
Quazii has this one linke in one of his recent videos: https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9
havent tested it
spark cedar
are mana oils our BIS weapon enchantments or is that still in the air?
spark cedar
Thanks
mellow quartz
there are weapon enchants that give primary & secondary stat procs also, probably sim for less but give a defensive bonus not given by the depths enchant
solemn loom
Any of the Darkmoon decks worth getting? 577 ilvl and cost like 900g 😛
mellow quartz
if you need ilvl to be able to queue for heroic dungeons tomorrow sure
warm plinth
If they have main stat, then probably just because why not
Not often you see boe trinkets for 900g XD
mellow quartz
@strong forum did you test the 'Authority of Air' proc chance?
I assume its abysmal
spark cedar
How come we're using crit flasks instead of haste ones 🤔
mellow quartz
its a random secondary
solemn loom
if you need ilvl to be able to queue for heroic dungeons tomorrow sure
What ilvl do I need to queue for those?
mellow quartz
cause its a lot more than the other one
spark cedar
its a random secondary
the alternative one is crit specific
mellow quartz
What ilvl do I need to queue for those?
think its 564 ish
solemn loom
Okay, thanks!
strong forum
didnt test, no
warm plinth
I assume its abysmal
3ppm
warm plinth
Isn't that the shield one though
mellow quartz
air is an absorb, no damage
warm plinth
not secondary
strong forum
ah
warm plinth
yeah
strong forum
yeah lmao
mellow quartz
I am sure for pure damage
strong forum
i wouldnt even look at defensive enchants
mellow quartz
I was thinking the haste proc enchant though
mellow quartz
how much main stat did it give vs the secondary ones, is it the same?
strong forum
its 1.6k mainstat + a few thousand dps
warm plinth
Is this the one you're thinking of Alyrion?
mellow quartz
its 2230 main stat vs 3910 secondary stats
warm plinth
Yeah it's 2ppm
mellow quartz
I am sure for pure dps that is correct, I would probably prefer something that gives me a bit of both
strong forum
for m+ id just send radiant
and for raid depths
or just stick with depths
cuz optimising enchants for defense is a bit of a meme honestly
mellow quartz
that absorb enchant if its 3 ppm is 20k hps lol
strong forum
wowee
warm plinth
Don't DPS have like
strong forum
20k hps out of 500k+
warm plinth
6 mil hp
strong forum
as prot i have like 6.1mil rn
mellow quartz
first pull in NW you do like 1m hps as pwar 🙂
strong forum
im talking overall
warm plinth
Yeah, so 20k would be like a 2% increase
strong forum
like im just trying to illustrate
warm plinth
or 02%
mellow quartz
around 400k hps overall (active)
warm plinth
idk
strong forum
how pointless that random absorb is
warm plinth
math be mathin
strong forum
simming 5t 5min rq
warm plinth
That's right, you do the hard work, you're the TC
warm plinth
and if it was gonna be better, aoe is where it would be
strong forum
whatever storms is
mellow quartz
for pure dam
warm plinth
right
strong forum
right
mellow quartz
if it was just about the damage it would just be the shadow proc
strong forum
lets not pretend that 3% mainstat is gonna make you suddenly tankier
warm plinth
but realistically, any defensive "proc" is automatically bad
strong forum
10t 1.5min
this gets only exacerbated more the less ilvl you have
so just stick with the dmg proc
warm plinth
So next season you can run haste if you pull 10+ targets constantly, ezpz
mellow quartz
does pull them down then
strong forum
35% unbuffed
mellow quartz
I have 14%
grim pilot
Whats that in raw stat
strong forum
to get a smooth experience
mellow quartz
almost there!
strong forum
like 25k
warm plinth
Yeah that's basically impossible to get
strong forum
it is reachable, if you have haste in every slot
warm plinth
we back to HR gamers
warm plinth
Let me be sad Nome
strong forum
you only play itf in raid
grim pilot
Was hr the play in s1 df
warm plinth
Yeah
grim pilot
Instead of itf?
strong forum
yes
grim pilot
Ah cool
Ive got this one fucking fly in my room now that just keeps flying hext to my head
warm plinth
35% is like the magic number where you don't have to worry about getting those 2 second gaps of shield block that get you instakilled in high keys
pallid quiver
It was even the play in most cases in S2, as well, since iirc haste was scarce on that set?
strong forum
nah
s2 had tons of haste
and you played bolster + itf
cuz tierset was last stand
warm plinth
Yeah, we had bolster
strong forum
pallid quiver
Ah, that's right
I knew it was janky somehiw, but I was completely off in how
That's like, five ever ago
pallid quiver
I peaked when I started in BC
I wasn't good then either
south zealot
it was insane how unbelievably easy some keys were on timer in s3
warm plinth
I got 1850 in 2v2 arena in TBC
south zealot
can literally go afk and take a shit and still win the dungeon
strong forum
also tanked 28tyr DHT first try and only depleted by 4sec cuz bad route
and didnt proc cheat once
warm plinth
feral druid resto druid, before dampening existed, most fun you'll ever have
30 min per game
strong forum
so i only had 1.5 trinkets equipped
strong forum
south zealot
and didnt proc cheat once
if u had damage trinket u win eta gg
grim pilot
Esp AD
strong forum
exactly
strong forum
literally woulda timed key
strong forum
if i DIDNT RUN cheat
but nooOOooOo
i had to run that dogshit trinket
cuz pussy
what did we learn team
grim pilot
Run cheat
strong forum
cheat depletes keys
strong forum
was scared of tree for no reason
grim pilot
No I mean
grim pilot
Spell block lasted 20 sec I think? Or 30 idk when the change happended
strong forum
30
grim pilot
Yeah
strong forum
you had 33% uptime on spellblock
grim pilot
Esp if theyre not grouped
strong forum
and spellblock again
grim pilot
Bc no kicks
strong forum
i have no clue
tribal wharf
hmm okay, all i had to do was do story missions and then it says to beat 3 WQ and i can go get it
strong forum
only problem was not getting dispelled at 8 stacks in dht
then you were almost in trouble
strong forum
dht was special
grim pilot
Incl most common mistakes
tribal wharf
DHT not the worst after i learned to get good
tribal wharf
tree boss humbled me
strong forum
and then 3min later deplete
tribal wharf
threw me in the ground like a bitch, 1 shot me
so i learned
now i cant fuck up on him ever again
its saved to memory
grim pilot
Route, first boss, reminding them to kick casts, to external me when im out of sw on the tree etc
warm plinth
I can probably count on one hand the number of times I got dispelled in dht
tribal wharf
i don't like pulling the trash for DHT much, but w/e
warm plinth
Like from the time it became a dungeon til now
strong forum
i tanked frontal on first boss
grim pilot
Because I pugged 29 tyra
strong forum
pretty free tbh
strong forum
yeah checks ouit
grim pilot
We wasted all crs on him
strong forum
didnt have his aug or?
grim pilot
I got invited somehow and then they took the mage
grim pilot
Just no cheat to fall back on
warm plinth
I think I had more fire mages do negative damage than badly performing augvokers
strong forum
cuz its hard to tell when an aug is bad
grim pilot
Idk hard to tell
strong forum
unless they die to every stomp
grim pilot
I mean mage doing good damage is something rare
warm plinth
Worst part of mages was that they always blame things other than themselves for their shit damage
grim pilot
I just deatroyed prio target and gapped everyone on bosses and couldnt care less
Doing 800k on 2nd boss in nokhud felt crazy
Or 750
pallid quiver
Worst part of mages was that they always blame things other than themselves for ...
That's like almost every DPS player I've been in a voice chat with
mellow quartz
just did dawnbreaker on normal
I was soooo confused
they added so much RP that wasnt in m+ on beta for the ship to sail lol
brazen flower
If I need to reapply the Shield Block buff and have Shield Charge available (with Champion's Bulwark talented) am I better off using Shield Charge rather than just using Shield Block by itself?
mellow quartz
send shield charge on CD for damage also
violet ginkgo
I think see your rage bar too. If you have 80 rage for example just shield block first then shield charge.
brazen flower
I think see your rage bar too. If you have 80 rage for example just shield block...
Good call!
I have a Dynamic group WA set with a limit of 1 to show me the following weak auras, so now if I have <= 50 rage It'll recommend Shield Charge, otherwise Shield Block
pallid quiver
If I need to reapply the Shield Block buff and have Shield Charge available (wit...
You should be aiming to use Shield Charge on CD, anyhow
warm plinth
Yeah I don't think you need that because you should be using SC on cooldown
pallid quiver
Also, you should note that shield block duration can stack up to 3 times the base duration
So if you have Enduring Defenses talented, you can have up to 24 seconds of shield block
it's 18 seconds without, but you should pretty much always have it talented
warm plinth
Like, getting SB to overcap is quite difficult. with Shield Block x2 + SC, you're at cap, so if anything you'd be waiting to use another block charge
brazen flower
Also, you should note that shield block duration can stack up to 3 times the bas...
Oh, so I don't have to wait for SB to fall off before reapplying?
warm plinth
No
brazen flower
Well, that's news to me 😄
SoI don't want to be casting SB/SC if I have > 16 Seconds of SB remaining to not overcap the buff
warm plinth
That's not really something that should happen
south zealot
you can and should completely ignore it
for how the class functions right now
capping is irrelevant rn
warm plinth
Shield block is a 16 sec recharge and lasts 8 seconds
And then SC is 45 sec CD and lasts 8 seconds
So casting them all back to back gives you the cap, and then you won't be able to cast another Shield Block for 16 seconds
(reduced by haste, but it takes a ton of haste for that to make a difference in this context)
brazen flower
So just send SB and SC on cooldown?
warm plinth
SC, yes
SB as needed, because there's no reason to spend rage on it if you don't need it
You don't wanna end up with most of a shield block charge taking place between pulls or something
brazen flower
Even though it increases Shield Slam damage?
real fossil
Other than not using a sb charge at the end of a pull when you have enough uptime to finish it I wouldnt really think about it much
woven estuary
macro a 7 second timer
real fossil
Keep SB uptime and don’t overthink it
south zealot
just use it whenever u can
warm plinth
Yeah, just track the buff, and if it's about to run out, press SB
real fossil
Losing 1 IP cast for spending rage on 1 extra SB is like nothing
halcyon orchid
Sorry for the dumb question which has probably been answered.
Should I just be replacing my s4 tier ASAP in WW or wait til I get a certain ilvl?
south zealot
keep ur 2p until its disabled
halcyon orchid
Have they said they will disable it? Nothing I've seen on wowhead
pallid quiver
Even though it increases Shield Slam damage?
To elaborate, you don't want to send SB if there's like 3 seconds until the mobs are dead and you still have 4 seconds of shield block or something. You could havve spent the rage better on IP or just even pooling it for the next pull. You want 100% effective SB uptime, so time where you're actually engaging enemies, not while just futzing around between packs
pallid quiver
They have not said anything, but it will be disabled 10000%
if this was old wow they'd keep it active smh
warm plinth
I don't think they've ever kept tier sets active through to the next max level
To the next tier, yeah
But not the next expansion's level cap
pallid quiver
i thought they never deactivated tier sets between xpacs until like wod or something
but i can't even remember df s2, so don't hold me to it
jagged gust
I wanna say you're right, I kept my hunter T5 2piece for a very long time
warm plinth
Idk, I try to only think about the last few expansions because the rest doesn't matter for precedent really
soft tusk
is haste mastery our best stats?
pallid quiver
Haste/Crit,
warm plinth
ilevel>haste>crit=vers>mastery
pallid quiver
Vers isn't bad either
But having more stats at all is better than the "right" stats
hence the prio ghash posted
pallid quiver
defensively, all the secondaries are close enough that it really doesn't matter
south zealot
it is also the defensive stat ranking too though
soft tusk
what's the fastest way to get adventurer gear right now?
jagged gust
spam delves and hope for warbound gear
soft tusk
how can I spam delves without risking my keys?
pallid quiver
wait until season actually comes out for more time efficient ways to get anything actually done
jagged gust
you dont need to use your keys
south zealot
dont click the purple chest at the end
jagged gust
it's a locked chest at the end you have a choice to open
soft tusk
did they fix that?
native pollen
~~wait until season actually comes out for more time efficient ways to get anyth...
This kids will be angry if they could read
jagged gust
but how am I gonna get pug invites without 8/8 adventure gear?!
brazen flower
Yeah, just track the buff, and if it's about to run out, press SB
Okay, I think I get it now. Thanks all. Will see how I get on and report back if I still have questions!
warm plinth
It sounds more complicated than it is, I promise
brazen flower
Just going to go with if the buff is missing, or has <7 seconds left I'll just hit the button
grim pilot
Smack it on cd unless you know youll be entering new pack and youll have small downtime inbetween
soft tusk
So spamming delves give u a shot at adventurer gear?
grim pilot
Just make sure u always have it when fighting mobs is all
jagged gust
but random gear, Ive geared up my alt hunter more than my warrior with the warbound shit
soft tusk
but random gear, Ive geared up my alt hunter more than my warrior with the warbo...
so like u just get a random piece of loot?
jagged gust
idk if there's any solid evidence of what you can acquire but so far I've had like 10 or so pieces drop, 1 of them being plate the rest cloth/mail
soft tusk
all adventurer?
soft tusk
have u done it as a group?
jagged gust
not yet
soft tusk
anyone else having troubles?
brazen flower
I think you have to wait for a weekly reset, at least according to BTWQuests
tardy drum
anyone know if the bleed from thunderous roar is buffed by arterial bleed on the colossus tree?
warm plinth
It specifies Rend and Deep Wounds
wraith dagger
would it be good to bind normal charge with shield charge prioritizing sc when available?
warm plinth
No, you don't use SC from range
soft tusk
No, you don't use SC from range
why not?
wraith dagger
another stupid question because it seems there is A LOT of buttons, could macroing revenge with ss make sense?
mellow quartz
no
tribal wharf
still dont know how to spend the 2 keys i got
brazen flower
Keep them until tier 8 Delves open, and then use them at the end of a tier 8 bountiful delve
If you want to min/max gear acquisition
south zealot
another stupid question because it seems there is A LOT of buttons, could macroi...
what
no not at all
warm plinth
They're both on the GCD so the only way you could macro them together would be a cast sequence macro, and they are not used in a fixed sequence.
wraith dagger
i was thinking something that would use revenge if ss was on cd
warm plinth
Yeah that isn't possible
craggy pilot
did they remove the Glow on Execute when its "usable" or is it just my UI being bonkers?
warm plinth
WoW macros don't allow conditionals like that
wraith dagger
oh, for some reason i was convinced it would work
warm plinth
The only way that would work is if one or both abilities was off the GCD
Because then the macro would effectively be trying to cast both at the same time
But when both are on GCD, the macro stops once it has either failed or succeeded at casting the first spell in the macro
wraith dagger
ah
soft tusk
best race for prot warrior for M+?
south zealot
dwarf
soft tusk
does the number of deaths affect the type of loot u get at thend of the delve?
waxen frigate
another stupid question because it seems there is A LOT of buttons, could macroi...
Not in the slightest
Unrelated—still leveling my warrior but mountain thane is very fun
Big thunder dam
Also turns out being minmaxed in s4 gear makes you the fucking main character in normal dungeons
mellow quartz
Also turns out being minmaxed in s4 gear makes you the fucking main character in...
The scaling in dungeons does this. Even if you are all 440 ilvl you are the ‘main character’ at lvl 75 and below
waxen frigate
The scaling in dungeons does this. Even if you are all 440 ilvl you are the ‘mai...
You scale way harder and longer in good gear
mellow quartz
Sure
waxen frigate
I’m 76 now and still usually doing 60% or so of overall dungeon dmg
But yeah compared to 70/71 it’s lower
mellow quartz
People also suck
waxen frigate
I was soloing bosses as arms in 8sec or so
waxen frigate
People also suck
Guild groups
mellow quartz
Might still suck?
waxen frigate
LMAO
mellow quartz
Things die so quickly that some classes can’t get off their damage as well
waxen frigate
Okay I’ll give you that some of them are playing like 4th alts as offspecs but still
mellow quartz
When you pull everything in 1 pull on to bosses
waxen frigate
The general strat for 70-72 on my warrior was to have me go as arms and literally solo like half the dungeons where you’re able to split directions
kind urchin
I carry almost every group I'm in even at 80... Most people suck at this game.
soft tusk
Are people spamming delves for Adventurer gear?
waxen frigate
Like in stone vault
waxen frigate
Are people spamming delves for Adventurer gear?
There’s a lot of ways to gear right now
soft tusk
what's the best way to get adventurer gear right now?
waxen frigate
My guildie is one of the top ilvls in the world that isn’t doing the m+ exploit and he’s primarily just been doing delves and digging dirt after he finished all his sojourner quests and renown grinds
mellow quartz
All you should care about is getting valor stones for upgrades
waxen frigate
Also make sure you farm rares, primarily for rep
waxen frigate
All you should care about is getting valor stones for upgrades
Best ways for this are either normal dungeon spam (best if you can get a level 70 main character to come clean house) or digging dirt
soft tusk
Are delves better in group or solo?
soft tusk
such as?
waxen frigate
Just make sure whoever has the highest level bran is the lead
soft tusk
what would be a good comp with a prot warrior?
waxen frigate
what would be a good comp with a prot warrior?
Someone with a functioning brain
soft tusk
level in brann matters a lot?
waxen frigate
yes
keen leaf
should i delve as prot or fury, for efficency sake
waxen frigate
should i delve as prot or fury, for efficency sake
id say probably prot for the tankiness
since bran cant tank, only heal/dps
soft tusk
what's the best delve to farm right now?
mellow quartz
soft tusk
how the heck are people rank 11 with Hallow
waxen frigate
how the heck are people rank 11 with Hallow
dirt
also rares
loooots of rares to kill there
that give like 150 rep each
soft tusk
how much dirt is out there? lol
mellow quartz
None of this stuff matters unless you are raiding RWF
waxen frigate
dirt is just for flighsttones and other shit
waxen frigate
None of this stuff matters unless you are raiding RWF
sure but what else are you going to do
devout sable
Hello guys is there a good intervene charge macro out there?
south zealot
not burn out for no reason
devout sable
because the wowhead one did not work for me
waxen frigate
not burn out for no reason
if youre feeling burnout just dont play 4head
obviously nothng matters but like
if you want to play theres plenty of shit to do
soft tusk
why raid? The gear won't matter next season
south zealot
not the same comparison
lusty grotto
not even close
mellow quartz
We are talking about doing degenerate stuff for gear that is obsolete when heroic raid week opens 2 weeks from now
Not even giving you any significant advantage day 1
keen leaf
is battle rez engineering just for everyone now
mellow quartz
is battle rez engineering just for everyone now
Requires lvl 1 engi
waxen frigate
which... isnt degenerate shit
keen leaf
does it? I gave my buddy the itewm and he can use it
waxen frigate
Requires lvl 1 engi
dont think so this xpac
keen leaf
no it doesnt
mellow quartz
Maybe I was looking at the recipe
lusty grotto
i mean everyone had brez available in DF, people still did engi
because engi could make the bracers
🤷
keen leaf
yeah but engineering had bonuses to make it work more often
mellow quartz
Ahh I was looking at this
keen leaf
yeah u gotta use the prototype then u learn it
mellow quartz
Just remembered seeing engi 1
lusty grotto
yeah but engineering had bonuses to make it work more often
no
engi didnt do shit for everyone else's bracers
just craft them
mellow quartz
In SL the higher your engi level the less likely they were to backfire
lusty grotto
thats not the point
keen leaf
thats exactly my point
lusty grotto
the point is brez was available for everyone as well
waxen frigate
"didnt do shit"
keen leaf
ur wrong though, my point was engineering had a benefit
waxen frigate
chill
keen leaf
and it did,m tinker slots.
lusty grotto
tinker slots were sold
just like those jumper cables
the only inherent benefit was brez helms
keen leaf
I thought u had to be an engineer to use tinker slots tho
lusty grotto
no
keen leaf
oh, thats my mistake then
cerulean tusk
Engineers made CR failsafe, that is fair to note. While others could bring it and do it slow/fail.
Also, gnomish army knife warrior ress 
mellow quartz
Always have my knife on me
keen leaf
so the final verdict after all that is, I dont need to be an engineer
cerulean tusk
there is no need to do anything, so sure
mellow quartz
You NEED to have alchemy cause who wants half duration flasks!
If you do keys all day
cerulean tusk
True and real
keen leaf
I cant tell if yall are dumb or trolling lol
cerulean tusk
Bit of both, mixed with smarts
limpid ruin
Yes
waxen frigate
I cant tell if yall are dumb or trolling lol
new here?
rigid yew
Easiest way (besides selling tokens) to make decent gold this expansion?
I'm like 120k from 2mil
It's not important more so just my ocd
lusty grotto
