But why would you NEED to have it and guardian is the best tank in the game because it brings it
#protection
jagged gust
Isn't mechagnome the #1 dps race rn? They're also BIS for voice lines
tribal wharf
i liked it best when motw was a 1 hour rainbow buff they could and did put on everyone
dusky canopy
For example
tribal wharf
mechagnome has built in mirror image, which is sick, for my mage
dusky canopy
They’re like 20k ahead in aoe vs ~~human~~ no race buff
Actually I think the sim was 20k ahead of “no race buffs”
Let me just look for it lol
lusty grotto
bear kinda falls into the same dilemma we have where one hero tree is more similar to the current version and the other is a glass cannon, but does great dps. The difference is that dotc is actually ok designed as opposed to col
granted both need a lot more mastery of the class
tribal wharf
bear druid also has the strongest known person is bear druid
that isnt a demon from another planet, (old god) or satan, or god
demons are bad, we kill demons
first rule of doom
there is no exception, all demons are bad, different shades sure, but all bad
dusky canopy
Let me just look for it lol
Nom doesn’t have race sims linked
So disregard my yapping about race
But overall mechagnome usually does well first season and then human scales towards the end
dusky canopy
Think velf does well early to if I’m not mistaken
jagged gust
velf would be awesome, elves in general just have great transmog options
solid sun
Are we hyped up
dusky canopy
9hours to go for me
Wife conveniently scheduled a hair cut for me after work today of all days
waxen frigate
Wife conveniently scheduled a hair cut for me after work today of all days
Do you not schedule your own haircuts
dusky canopy
Nope I would buzz it because I’m lazy
jagged gust
Brew's been trying to grow a mullet for years and his wife is having none of it
lusty grotto
lol brew crying about missing 1 hour
dusky canopy
She likes me with a fade so she schedules it randomly and says hey you go do this
lusty grotto
cya next tuesday 👋
violet ginkgo
anybody saw the new trailer?
solid sun
I didn’t know there was a new trailer
jagged gust
I saw the SP one
jagged gust
They were just like "You know what we haven't posted for a while? Momma Xal smirking"
violet ginkgo
I didn’t know there was a new trailer
dusky canopy
Early access is whatever
south zealot
be sure to tag me about how "worth it" getting a 90 dollar early access was
hey it was only 40
was buying the game anyways
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
40$ beta entry
lusty grotto
It was for beta access
You know that's worse right
dusky canopy
grim pilot
$25
lusty grotto
90 bucks to test a game
grim pilot
So early access + some cosmetics etc
Doesnt sound that bad
Tho I wont make it for the early access so I’ll just buy the 50 bucks version
And pay for sub with gold
daring grove
Early access + cosmetics + mount + beta + game time isn't a terrible deal
grim pilot
Thats how I boosted my warri in df bc I didnt have single char so I bought the 90 bucks version middle of s1 so I didnt have to quest
daring grove
Couldn't remember if the boost was only for the fancy version or any version
solid sun
Just because it isn’t worth it to you doesn’t mean anyone else is soaking up the copium
lusty grotto
Like i told brew before, Ive been burned by blizzard longer than most of you, you guys will eventually learn
But obviously some of you don't have a choice because your guild requires it
lusty grotto
Just because it isn’t worth it *to you* doesn’t mean anyone else is soaking up t...
You all are
Period
90 bucks to beta test
3 days access
south zealot
it def wasnt worth was just bored lol
grim pilot
Yeah but youre not paying 90 bucks for it
Youre paying 25 bucks for early access and cosmetics n stuff
You were gonna pay 50 bucks for game + 15 for sub anyways
south zealot
cosmetics are mid this time
lusty grotto
Would you have bought the cosmetics otherwise?
south zealot
shadowlands preorder was bis
grim pilot
Im not justifying the cosmetics
daring grove
Isn't it like 50-60 just for base edition? Fancy stuff was only an extra 30 or whatever, thats pennies
south zealot
and i didnt get it
grim pilot
Idc about that crap
south zealot
i woudlve paid like $10 for the shadowlands set
lusty grotto
Then what value do they have myrt
solid sun
It doesn’t matter
solid sun
If I look at what the edition gives me and decide it’s worth it and buy it and you’re moaning about that decision in discord you’re the one being weird
lusty grotto
Youre supporting early access in an mmo
solid sun
And?
lusty grotto
Hope you don't cry about it when it comes to bite you in the ass
jagged gust
Technically this is all The Witcher's fault
lusty grotto
Spoiler you eventually will
austere oar
You're still playing the game and actively being in discord tho, for most people wow is the best game they ever played, you can cry all you want about blizzard, I dont mind supporting the devs for their work and I can afford to do it so I will
I don't get the permanent hate on a game you still play on a regular basis
austere oar
Youre acting like that every time someone mentions it
plush tendon
I say to each their own on what they do with their disposable income; but it is pretty shitty having to pay $30 bucks to get 'early access'
lusty grotto
plush tendon
its like when league released the $500 Ahri/Faker skin
its like 'ok Riot, you trying to see how much you can milk us for?'
still it gave some tmog and a month of game time
and I decided to treat myself for not getting a $30 parking ticket
jagged gust
Wasn't there that scandal that everyone was upset about recently that was selling premium items for an incomplete game for like $50,000?
grim pilot
I say to each their own on what they do with their disposable income; but it is ...
Also beta which uhh I dont care about but some people got giga bored of df and wanted to try new content
During prepatch or just s4
Idk
grim pilot
Not for me bc thats how u get burned out
Xd
I want that excitement first day I step into keys
daring grove
If you don't count the game time, it was simply $15 dollars for a toy, pet, hearthstone, beta , and early access.
plush tendon
yea, that was my napkin math
but I dont fault anyone for not getting it
my roommate got the normal version
daring grove
Heroic edition got the mount and all editions got the boost appearently
plush tendon
early access he was meh about; he'll just watch me play instead
daring grove
I normally get the normal but i'm playing with a friend this go round and they wanted me to do early with them for the weekend
plush tendon
I got early cause the end of the month I have a lot of work stuff going on
so I wouldnt get to play much that weekend
so this weekend I took Fri off, I get to play tonight and Friday then move to my new apartment on Sat (and I get to use my new router and modem with big interwebs so I'm excited)
tropic tangle
I did it cause I want to play today/this weekend
limpid ruin
seeing people play
That’s the kind of lack of discipline I would expect from a skipper
violet ginkgo
I wouldnt be able to focus on anything
plush tendon
That’s the kind of lack of discipline I would expect from a skipper
shame you wont be joining me tonight
ill send postcards of all my bounces
limpid ruin
Shame you won’t be joining me next week
limpid ruin
Ew not the bystander. I want one of the warriors
lusty grotto
when should i hit the button
im thinking monday
monday at 11:59 pm
i wonder how late i got DF
pretty sure it was the day before release too
peak oar
why does the tww wowhead guide take champions spear, but the prepatch takes thunderous roar? Hero talents don't interact with any of those, unless I'm missing something
peak oar
oh
lusty grotto
yeah at 80, you probably wont have tier, cause you should be replacing everything with higher ilvl
and spear sims better than troar for thane
at 80, i mean
strong forum
I wonder if they're gonna deactivate tierset with level 71
If they don't deactivate tierset
There's a VERY real chance that we would still play 2pc
fallow nova
That's kind of nuts lol
strong forum
2 items ain't beating 10% DR and insta bleed consumption
jagged gust
All you really need is a shield and a dream
daring grove
Do they normally deactivate it for a new xpac?
lusty grotto
if they dont do it immediately, they will do it fairly fast
SL leggos were off at 67
but i also cant recall if tier was as well
i wanna say yes, but not sure
violet ginkgo
67 and the max level was 70?
violet ginkgo
I don't try to gaslight, I don't play SL at all XD I got no clue
jagged gust
How did they handle BFA > SL? I quit halfwaythrough one and joined halfway through the other
and every piece of gear was worthless since they had already deactivated the neck
white mauve
I say to each their own on what they do with their disposable income; but it is ...
People pay an extra £50 to get into a hotel room 3 hrs earlier than normal, isn't that technically early access? It's not a game-industry specific notion.
strong forum
Bfa didn't have tiersets
The azerite just deactivated during leveling at some point
Or just got outscaled or smth, and corruptions got entirely disabled
plush tapir
Haven't had a chance to read the guide but is the shield embelishment a yay or nay?
jagged pier
It bad
But then again it coukd get buffed they nerfed other embleishments yesterday
But u cant craft till 1 week after season starts anyway
plush tapir
Gotcha! 👍
lofty warren
Is it required to quest to level up in xpac or can I just spam dungeons?
jagged pier
U can do what u want
Dungeons are slower tho
And u are required to do the campaign on a char at least once
For stuff
lofty warren
Yucky
strong forum
i think you gotta do the campaign atleast once
tribal wharf
thats like expected or something
i think thats about the bare minimum you can expect even a casual player to do
lofty warren
No meme but the xpac is about to go live and there still aren't tier lists out.? 😦 I know they are subject to change but how can I make a decision without knowing current relative power
mellow quartz
You don’t get access to WQ’s and other stuff if you don’t complete the campaign.
mellow quartz
No meme but the xpac is about to go live and there still aren't tier lists out.?...
You clearly haven’t looked on YouTube
Tierlist galore
lofty warren
A reputable one though not some bozo throwing darts at a wall
mellow quartz
Dorki and Yoda both have tier lists on YouTube and are 2 of the top m+ tanks in the world 🤷♂️
Not sure what ‘reputable’ people you are looking for.
jagged pier
Not to shoot down those players, they are very good. But their builds for warrior were wrong
So they were testing under false information
lofty warren
dont care if youre king of the earth aint no way prot paladin above vdh
jagged pier
Just because your a top m+er doesnt mean u know the ins and outs of every class and spec
mellow quartz
Asking for tier lists from people and complaining about what you see in them 🤔
urban bane
I guess you'll just have to make a decision yourself. Condemned to be free.
jagged gust
That's tacktyks or w/e his name is, isn't it?
lofty warren
this one seems more good
south zealot
No meme but the xpac is about to go live and there still aren't tier lists out.?...
dorkis is pretty decent
while i dont agree with teir lists fundamentally, especially BEFORE THE GAME IS LIVE
mellow quartz
Tier lists are just peoples ‘feelings’
south zealot
i thought the information he presented was reasonable
mellow quartz
Don’t take it as gospel
toxic pewter
why I keep seeing tier lists.. I am actively trying to avoid those
mellow quartz
this one seems more good
So better because you have a bias that is confirmed by the list?
south zealot
well prot paladin is clearly the weakest tank at just about everything
lusty grotto
basically people's feelings to confirm other people's feelings yea?
lofty warren
Well I've touched both vdh and prot paladin can guarantee paladin is dumpster
lusty grotto
so thats why they are high traffic
south zealot
putting it above dh is just proveably not true from every single thing seen on beta
toxic pewter
but chaos brand was nErFeD
jagged gust
That's specifically his "How easy is this tank to keep alive in a pug where your group has a combined IQ of room temperature in Canada" list
south zealot
can remove chaos brand and give it to prot paladin and vdh will still be better
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
i mean last nights nerf was kind of
mellow quartz
putting it above dh is just proveably not true from every single thing seen on b...
For pugs if you are not pushing dangerous keys the ppal is way better due to kicks in TWW dungeons
lusty grotto
fucking weird
lusty grotto
yeah idk
its kind of weird
its not like most of them were going IS anyway
kinda too much, too late
south zealot
For pugs if you are not pushing dangerous keys the ppal is way better due to kic...
tier list for pug keys does not matter at all though
so making one is just completely useless
mellow quartz
tier list for pug keys does not matter at all though
The screenshot above literally says ‘pug keys’ as the headline
south zealot
i see that but it also doesnt matter
for pug and group play its the same 'ranking' imo
mellow quartz
Then why complain that ppal is above vdh if it doesn’t matter
narrow hull
No comms and strangers.
grim pilot
I dont see people not copying meta in title keys and for 10’s u dont need tier lists
south zealot
No comms and strangers.
still varies from 2s to 20s
mellow quartz
People will play their raid tanks in keys
Will take a long time to get alts up to speed
lofty warren
Bear is so high because of its tankyness or dps or both?
grim pilot
Tankiness dps raid buff
jagged gust
It brings raid buff
lusty grotto
im gonna miss 15% parry illuminated sigils
mellow quartz
Also the usual pulls it can do due to incarn
toxic pewter
they need to nerf mark of the wild make it 1.5% or 2%
jagged gust
Literally the thought process goes "We need vers buff, but resto/feral are ass, so bears are gonna be the meta tank"
mellow quartz
Pulls are gonna be the same
You do bear pulls with a ppal and see
south zealot
they had incarn in s4
grim pilot
U just dont play ppal if its shit
toxic pewter
the prot pala buff is coming relax then I will be proven correct, once again
south zealot
but pulls were called vdh pulls
grim pilot
Im talking about competitive tanks
lofty warren
Ppal gonna die so hard unless they mega fix them
toxic pewter
they dont actually need much of a buff a lot of it is fake news
lofty warren
Good don't buff ppal. I like having hpal be the only good one
mellow quartz
My bet is that even several month into S1 you will see most tanks in high keys on the leaderboard
south zealot
i doubt it but its possible
mellow quartz
There is nothing close to a s3 and s4 vdh right now
Gearing will be slower so rerolls are harder
More people will stick to their geared tanks
And push on them
grim pilot
Doubt
south zealot
literally none of that matters
jagged gust
Eventually you'll have your alts capped with warband gear, and the jump from champ ->mythic isn't quite so insurmountable all of the sudden
grim pilot
“Slow gearing” hasnt been an issue to reroll ever since I started playing
lusty grotto
its not the same scenario
mellow quartz
I said the first few months
lusty grotto
you cant just drop that "it hasnt been"
mellow quartz
Not late season
grim pilot
U can unless they made gearing tremendously hard
lusty grotto
and theres still nothing done for alt crest farming
mellow quartz
U can unless they made gearing tremendously hard
Think it was 100 keys worth of crests to upgrade your gear
lusty grotto
even though it was talked about in the max interview
grim pilot
Think it was 100 keys worth of crests to upgrade your gear
Which can be done in 2 weeks if you play a lot
south zealot
it definitely is slower
mellow quartz
Which can be done in 2 weeks if you play a lot
Gated at the start
south zealot
but that doesnt matter and wont stop ppl from rerolling
grim pilot
Okay but if it slower it doesnt matter
Unless its tremendously hard
Which I truly doubt
south zealot
ppl rerolled in shadowlands lol
lusty grotto
S2 fast = S4 bullion < S3 Balanced < slowest is now
thats kind of how gearing has been
mellow quartz
Also you need to get mythic track gear to use crests on. So if it’s alts and you don’t Mythic raid it will take a while
jagged gust
Which I truly doubt
It's like... 10% slower than DF? Something rather insignificant overall
grim pilot
Havent people rerolled to ppal in s1 of df like 6-8 weeks before season ended
And all the top keys were ppal keys
And u couldnt find war tanks so much
lusty grotto
s1 didnt have upgrade tracks
mellow quartz
Ppal got a rework 🤷♂️
south zealot
they were still better than warrior before the rework
grim pilot
To reroll
lusty grotto
both SL and S1 didnt have upgrade tracks
you cant fucking compare them at all with the current system
will it not stop people from rerolling, absolutely not
but upgrade tracks added a whole new layer
that should be taken into consideration when it comes to gearing speed
and when it comes to alt gearing
i did 4 whole fucking characters every season, running 8 vault keys each
toxic pewter
wont tww have discounts for alts to upgrade though i heard in an interview.. i think like 30% less crests needed or something
lusty grotto
which is a HUGE chunk of time
which i had to cut down to 2 alts and 1 main
not even because of item acquisition
but because of crests
and there is ZERO way i would have started gearing a character mid season outside of bullions
even with upgrade discounts, crest farming is fucking aids
tropic tangle
yeah it's awful
honestly upgrade cost should just be straight adjusted to 10 per
every 5 timed keys give 6 upgrades instead of 4
and 2 untimed gets an upgrade instead of 3
lofty warren
I'm surprised that blizz didn't add affix that makes you lose half your crests if you don't time a key
On all toons
lusty grotto
it would be weird for an expansion so alt-centric to fuck you over on gearing them, even with Bind until Warbound gear or w/e its called
warbound until equipped
tropic tangle
still need to see what their crest reduction actually is
but I'll bet it's exactly 1/3
tropic tangle
that would normalize the mythic 1 to mythic max cost of crests for alts to be the same as dragonflight
lofty warren
It should give more crests after milestone not make costs cheaper
tropic tangle
and it would bring the lower crest costs down overall
grim pilot
@south zealot u gonna raid this tier?
lusty grotto
kind of agree with you there pepega
lofty warren
Imagine holding you're crests until you hit achieve
tropic tangle
Imagine holding you're crests until you hit achieve
yeah, this is the worst part of the solution
grim pilot
Old or new?
south zealot
reform of imperative basically
ill stream prog
4 nights weekly
should be a hoot
pallid quiver
I really wish it was easier and smoother to just get to max gear ilvl; I really cba with the whole loot treadmill. I don't get any actually happy emotions of getting a drop I'm looking for. I'm still frustrated when it drops. so like, any crest changes or anything still don't satisfy me, personally, because i'd be cool if gear don exits anyhow
tribal wharf
finally, i have the perfect transmog, finally got that damn green hammer
south zealot
Gonna be lots of kurwa in the voice chat
based
lofty warren
Dang it pwar seems fun but guardian seems stronger
grim pilot
Top tanks (kira for example) are saying it can go either way
Guardian or pwar
As it stands atm
lofty warren
I even relevelled up an alliance pwar from fresh to 70 last 2 days spamming dungeons
tropic tangle
play whatever man
south zealot
just level both if youre that worried about it
pallid quiver
I even relevelled up an alliance pwar from fresh to 70 last 2 days spamming dung...
If pre-patch event is still active, it's like 4-5 hours to go from fresh to cap with full 480 ilvl gear
so you can have both, like choco says, pretty easily
acoustic slate
when should i not use ignore pain?
lofty warren
If you want to die
wary heath
when it would cause you to lose shield block uptime, when you are in zero threats of taking incoming damage
glass verge
when should i not use ignore pain?
I usually hold off on using IP if I know my violent outburst is about to proc
pallid quiver
when it would cause you to lose shield block uptime, when you are in zero threat...
the second of this can be inaccurate, since you lose CDR on your major cooldowns not sending rage on it like Nim says
lusty grotto
i swear this should be a sticky
70+ rage? use IP, no buts, no caveats, you just send it
wary heath
yeah good point luerce !
daring grove
Is there a prot war faq google doc?
pallid quiver
i don't know what you'd be looking for out of that
That's not covered in the Wowhead/Icyveins guides, at least
pallid quiver
i swear this should be a sticky
And it's likely not a sticky considering the guides even say to just send IP around 60-80 rage, and the expectation is that people read those first
wary heath
the wowhead guide says to send rage as nim described , it's in the rotation section
daring grove
I joined the guardian discord and they had one, it was probably most of what was on wowhead, but I was curious
wary heath
send ip *
pallid quiver
There's no like, dedicated THE PROT WAR google doc or anything, but the closest bits to FAQ stuff are in the pins
daring grove
K
lusty grotto
yeah its just the wowhead/icyveins guide, and the reflect/blockable/spellblockable sheet
those are the big 3 "docs"
warm plinth
I think what messes with people on our rotation is that it's a combination of simple and fast.
lofty warren
i was looking at the wowhead. how to do 1-4 all before charge ends?
pallid quiver
Like the person in Prot Pala land said, most of those are off the GCD
wary heath
well you dont, and most of those are all off the GCD
pallid quiver
so you just press your buttons faster
lusty grotto
ravager has travel time
charge with avatar inbetween since off-gcd, sb off-gcd
you can send both in charge travel time
lofty warren
Unless I macro I don't think I'm fast enough to push all those before charge ends which is like 1s?
lusty grotto
demo is your first GCD, so press it when you get there
pallid quiver
You can also skip out on pressing taunt if you don't necessarily need immediate aggro on the thing you're swinging at (Other tank planning to start boss, DPS need to wait anyhow for you to gather more)
lusty grotto
taunt isnt needed
but avatar and SB are doable
if you cant, then dont avatar
and prio SB
wary heath
you are fast enough to press them all, because as a tank you're doing it 60 times per dungeon, it literally just ingrains in your brain
pallid quiver
you need avatar to SB
lusty grotto
mm not really
pallid quiver
If you're going from absolute zero rage
lusty grotto
charge gives rage
warm plinth
I usually don't taunt unless it's a boss because I want the taunt if I need to grab a patrol or an add or whatever so I delay it just in case.
lusty grotto
its an ideal opener, you dont have to do exactly that
i never fucking taunt on the opener
wary heath
you dont need to taunt, they will not pull threat from you
warm plinth
Or if it's the fury warrior's target 
lofty warren
Charge avatar and sb in 1 seconds seems more possible
warm plinth
It sounds like more than it is for sure
wary heath
throw the ravager and charge in , get your SB up then shout and rotation , it's very simple haha. if you saw arcane mage you would have a heart attack
strong forum
i was looking at the wowhead. how to do 1-4 all before charge ends?
theyre all off-gcd
except ravager
strong forum
i never fucking taunt on the opener
then start doing so
at the VERY LEAST on bosses
pallid quiver
at the VERY LEAST on bosses
unless the other tank is starting, then don't taunt
pallid quiver
I establish dominance by starting without using taunt because they can't press buttons
warm plinth
Oof
pallid quiver
Nome and me are living in reality
warm plinth
I live in Luerce's head
lofty warren
Was just thinking of pushing charge (mouse button 5), t for avatar, shift f for shield block, and then control mouse button 3 for taunt all super fast
wary heath
me lining up the perfect 6 button opener to kill that level 1 deer with 5 hp outside valdrakken...its what nom would have wanted
strong forum
Was just thinking of pushing charge (mouse button 5), t for avatar, shift f for ...
correct
my opener is:
shift+2 -> x + q -> shift+F + shift+4 -> shift+e
-> 
-> 
🛡️ -> demo shout
lofty warren
Macro to make no human lag opener?
strong forum
no.
lofty warren
K
strong forum
the only 2 GCDs you press there are ravager and demo shout
surely you can press 4 buttons in 1.3 seconds
pallid quiver
you might actually be able to have one for specifically pull only purposes, but that's an extra keybind on top of all the others, since you never want any of those macro'd together outside of starting raw
but shield block and avatar should both be in decently comfy spots in the first place, since you press those a non-zero amount. Not as much as SS or IP or anything, but they're around
lusty grotto
then start doing so
wdym, i just stare the bosses down with my dwarfette gaze
anyway Luerce im finally done
as of last night
pallid quiver
he got the drop
lusty grotto
and now to catalyst all the armor
so what was it?
Warrior/Pally/DH/Druid/Mage/Evoker from s1 onwards
BDK through Remix
Hunter/Shaman/Rogue/Warlock/Priest through preseason event
pallid quiver
huh, cross faction queueing is coming, but only if you already have a full group
lusty grotto
5 classes through the whole event
sweet, that was the last wall
for full crossfaction, not like it matters
cause its just what LFR, Timewalking and heroics?
pallid quiver
no the wall still exists since you can't queue cross faction unless you already have all the people you need
So for LFR, you'd need a full raid already together
lofty warren
Did they add cross faction cross realm guilds and mythic raid yet?
lusty grotto
yes
last patch
prepatch
mythic raid was open already so there was no point
but TWW will have it from the start
crossrealm,
cause crossfaction was already a thing way before that
pallid quiver
ur really good
lusty grotto
ty sir 
pallid quiver
gottem
warm plinth
Oh shit he got me
lofty warren
If you have ignore pain up and push it before it ends does it stack or extend duration or just refresh duration?
lofty warren
With bear you can load up and have a bunch of iron furs. Dunno if pwar is the same
lusty grotto
ignore pain is not equivalent to iron fur
SB is our iron fur
ignore pain is more akin to frenzied regen
albeit not used reactively
but proactively
not that it matters, because we use it as a rage dump
lofty warren
But rage dumping can be ip or revenge
lusty grotto
no
its IP
cause IP is off-gcd
and revenge is gcd
you dont use revenge with the mindset to ragedump
you use revenge with the mindset of "i need an SS or TC reset"
because both of them are currently down
tender cove
I play on europe but live in asia so game will release for me at 6am.
Do you think its wise give the first wave of players 2-3 hours, so starting zone will cool down a bit, it'll be 3am in europe etc?
grizzled nova
The real question is whether you really believe anyone's answer here will change what you do
strong forum
If you have ignore pain up and push it before it ends does it stack or extend du...
both
refresh duration and stack
but i recommend reading the wowhead guide
waxen frigate
Pepega sighting in skyhold
tender cove
The real question is whether you *really* believe anyone's answer here will chan...
Yes, if you were to say, its going to be too much effort and as usual youll spend the first 2-3 hours draining yourself glitching out. Honestly, i answered my own question now xD
waxen frigate
I play on europe but live in asia so game will release for me at 6am.
Do you thi...
If you’re a pussy
I’m the main character, I’m bursting out of the castle doors
You’re in the alleys selling bread
lusty grotto
I’m the main character, I’m bursting out of the castle doors
post the instructions for yogi, you coward
strong forum
I play on europe but live in asia so game will release for me at 6am.
Do you thi...
the game will be alot less overrun because a) only early access people play, not EVERYONE, b) its gamescom weekend so alot of people will be sleeping to get to the com on time
waxen frigate
post the instructions for yogi, you coward
I don’t have them saved tf
strong forum
the launch itself is way more staggered than previous expansions
due to early access
jagged gust
Yes, if you were to say, its going to be too much effort and as usual youll spen...
okay but think of how many people are going to play, now how many of them have the same mindset you just set
tender cove
yeh, thats actually makes sense since far from everyone will pay for epic
tender cove
okay but think of how many people are going to play, now how many of them have t...
My thing though is that europe will quickly run into night hours and mornings, while my timezone allowed me to basically join the morning crowd that doesnt work.
waxen frigate
Why do you play on EU, out of curiosity
jagged gust
That's a whole ass day for blizz to hotfix all the juicy bugs we can manipulate day 1
ebon geyser
Why so many Cloaks
tender cove
Why do you play on EU, out of curiosity
born in europe, moved 2.5 years ago.
waxen frigate
That's a whole ass day for blizz to hotfix all the juicy bugs we can manipulate ...
Have they fixed the sockets yet
waxen frigate
born in europe, moved 2.5 years ago.
That makes sense
lusty grotto
Why so many Cloaks
(i had the others already, i needed the last 2)
thanks to SL prepatch
tender cove
what do you tanks level as? Always prot or go dps for leveling?
lusty grotto
as prot
tender cove
Any special reason?
lusty grotto
theres no reason to go dps for it
jagged pier
Faster
lusty grotto
so no reason = special reason
strong forum
ill prolly do arms cuz cleave fucks
lusty grotto
you can mass pull
fallow nova
You can pull a ton
south zealot
it just depends on the quests
jagged pier
Faster at the start cause heroic throw has no cd so u just tag mobs and let ppl kill them
south zealot
ooo true
lusty grotto
thats 1000% true
tender cove
very clever
tender cove
ohh shit, i forgot to buy the ethernet cable today, panic mode 😮
modern leaf
im new to warrior and especially prot. is it good to level as prot to practice?
tribal wharf
you will deal a ton more dmg and kill things faster easier as arms or fury
but, as prot, u can pull like 3 elite mobs
and they may not do shit
tender cove
1700 raid done? Wth? So like, Isnt that like 15 per week or smt? Sounds crazy high? 😮
tender cove
ohh haha, makes more sense xD
jagged gust
Dude my story called me out so bad, 67 deaths from gravity
tender cove
will it be the usual 1 week leveling, 1 week mythic 0 and then third week s1/raids open?
tribal wharf
runemedhelm is the thing i always hoped dropped when farming lesser demons in the f2p lava cave on the island, hi-alchs into like ~9k gold lol
waxen frigate
runemedhelm is the thing i always hoped dropped when farming lesser demons in th...
Dude same no way lol
tribal wharf
that or i'd ratge pick up all the runes nobody wanted
waxen frigate
Used to run that circle all the time when I was a kid
tribal wharf
just sit there like a literal rat wait for ppl to kil them and leave runes
lesser demons are painful bastards though, even with strong armor
warm plinth
Those wow stories don't seem very accurate
warm plinth
Mine said I only did like 111 dragonflight dungeons (when I only missed the last season) and that I had 3.1k quests completed, but the number of quests is why I can't be a guide (which requires 3k)
warm plinth
I'm surprised it didn't do that to me. I'm the guy who starts flying to wherever every time because I forget portals are a thing. Or I get distracted by discord and forget to even get started to the dungeon
jagged gust
Mine said I only did like 111 dragonflight dungeons (when I only missed the last...
I abandoned 2067 quests apparently
toxic pewter
I played 16 tiny violins lmao
they should show the entire list of all the data so can look at it lol
toxic pewter
oh lol
good thinking
i guess just figured these videos have stats not even appearing in there but i dunno
toxic pewter
2 for me LOL
paladins lazy or dont like to rez warriors
wait is restored their combat rez i guess
daring grove
I would think redeemed would be the brez
lusty grotto
Smh my head
dusky canopy
apparently ive only been ressed by a paladin once
Actually wild if that’s accurately tracking
lusty grotto
holy mother of fuck, its hot today
deft copper
Do you guys think prot is affected by high ping or is it fine to play on higher ping?
lusty grotto
any high APM class is affected by high ping tbh
so yes
should not be unplayable but
it depends on how stable
lusty grotto
by stable i mean, you will suffer greatly with lag spikes, and packet loss
so without those 2
reacting to SS resets will be the most apparent problem
tender cove
by stable i mean, you will suffer greatly with lag spikes, and packet loss
Windows by default follows tcpip packet acknowledge, you can tweak registry to avoid that so you dont have to wait for a packet recieved reply... Has its pros and cons.
lusty grotto
we've had this conversation before
that's not recommended, by me, ever
and will never be
tender cove
we've had this conversation before
I pretty much remember nothing from a good 1 year period off south america. Cant even remember what I did or say to have you call me captain unhinged and not sure i even want to know.
lusty grotto
im sure most network people from the industry will agree its a bad idea
anyway this is a tangent
tender cove
im sure most network people from the industry will agree its a bad idea
Why is it bad? You get more overhead, i.e higher ping not having to wait. If you do have unstable connection, you make it worse. Pros and cons.
deft copper
by stable i mean, you will suffer greatly with lag spikes, and packet loss
yeah I generally don't suffer from those things pretty much
lusty grotto
youll be fine
anything that you have to react to, wont, but theres not much on prot for that
ss resets, any other proc, emergency situations etc
deft copper
gotcha thanks, was wondering if prot really has that many things like bdk or brew does
lusty grotto
but it wont be by a lot
deft copper
feels fine on my fury pretty much
tender cove
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1157362256816...
Was curious, so i checked. Seems to be a pro and con.
Done it for over 10 years and never heard anyone say its a bad idea to avoid when trying to reduce high pings.
But each to their own.
lusty grotto
moving on...
tender cove
You do you bro.
tender cove
You are allowed to do anything you want bro. I dont feel particuraly bad about anything ive done in life. Cant change it, so why care?
tender cove
I cant. I just cant accept people saying "because i say so" and then follow it up with threats about character. But as i said, you do you bro.
lusty grotto
you keep going huh
i mentioned that period because its EXACTLY WHAT YOURE DOING NOW
let
it
go
jagged gust
Don't you guys make me tell dad on you
lusty grotto
nobody asked about registry tweaks
it was a very specific question
if you do it, thats fine, but dont recommend it
especially when its completely tangential
native girder
Don't you guys make me tell dad on you
🤣
tender cove
Its was about high ping and i offered a solution. You like to say that a lot. You are not some god that decides what cant be recommended or not, specially not while on topic. And i didnt recommend anything. I highlighted its existance and said its pros and cons.
jagged gust
froot loops on ice cream?
deft copper
Didn't mean to stoke anything lads, my b
jagged gust
Wait that's just like sprinkles but better
lusty grotto
Didn't mean to stoke anything lads, my b
you're good, no need to apologize
warm plinth
Yes on top 
violet ginkgo
apparently ive only been ressed by a paladin once
Apparently same... OK well how did Pally is quite lazy to rezz ppl?
warm plinth
It was delicious
jagged gust
I still have so much to learn
lofty warren
Leveling as prot to be able to pull all mobs with no chance of dying vs dps spec and have to pull smaller since you a fresh 70
?
jagged gust
exactly
tribal wharf
farming for better warcraftstory results
lofty warren
No I didn't I swear
tribal wharf
last time i did it it told me about pets and taxis
lusty grotto
well maybe we've discussed it too much today
warm plinth
Nimchip entering unhinged period T minus 10
lofty warren
I am thinking I'm not the only one with the same thought
jagged gust
he's the one who was asking about IP
lofty warren
Yes now I know ip stacks and extends duration
pallid quiver
Nimchip entering unhinged period T minus 10
on entirely unrelated news, i have cleaned my bike, ghash
pallid quiver
Yes now I know ip stacks and extends duration
Even if it doesn't stack, it's not worth wasting rage in comparison to just sending IP
also, for relevant to recent conversation
violet ginkgo
jesus what are those pallies doing XD
pallid quiver
muh holy power
frosty holly
How the heck has a Evoker never ressed me?
pallid quiver
Same on my end
tribal wharf
mine will have like a billion paladin rez
pallid quiver
frosty holly
Is it because it don't count aoe ress or?
tribal wharf
67 dk top kek
frosty holly
Because looking at that. The number seems a bit small these stats been around for ages ye?
pallid quiver
Like, "No Path Available" still haunts me to this day
tribal wharf
violet ginkgo
How the heck has a Evoker never ressed me?
evoker and pally hate warriors.
frosty holly
I mean i know I've been ressed by Evokers in raid at least
violet ginkgo
is the statistic bugged or something? or are we just not partying with pally that often
frosty holly
So I'm guessing it does not count AoE ress
pallid quiver
Mine said I only did like 111 dragonflight dungeons (when I only missed the last...
Also, world quests and similar objectives count for quests, but I'm fairly confident they don't count for the guide stuff
pallid quiver
is the statistic bugged or something? or are we just not partying with pally tha...
Palas have to send a non-zero amount of holy power in order to b rez
so they do their damndest to not send it
On top of that, it only existed this xpac, so a lot of them still aren't even used to having it
lusty grotto
Because looking at that. The number seems a bit small these stats been around fo...
no idea on specifics just remember this showed up on wrath
as far as whether a type of rez is used or not, only Blizzard knows
but i guess you can test
pallid quiver
I want to say the number gets messy if you server transfer some times, but don't hold me to it. Rather, server transfered in older times
lusty grotto
possible
frosty holly
I wana know the dif between the 2 pala ones
warm plinth
I wanna know
frosty holly
Is 1 bress and the other regular ress
pallid quiver
^^^
warm plinth
What you're thinkin
lusty grotto
brez, remember brez was never a thing until DF
pallid quiver
I don't care what you're thinkin'
as you turn to me
frosty holly
Then it's defo wrong. if the 0 one is brez
Cus I played with a pala most of DF
And got brez
lusty grotto
maybe they arent tracking it
let me check my warrior
yeah they most likely forgot to track it lol
warm plinth
Paladin brez
lusty grotto
paladin brez
lofty warren
Paladin didn't get it until the dragon xpac
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Yeah looks like they just forgot to turn it on or something lol
pallid quiver
so the restore should be the brez
warm plinth
Weird
pallid quiver
anyway to the depths with that character
lusty grotto
maybe they are counting on the same counter for both
pallid quiver
i'mma get a new pala to have rot in the character select soon
warm plinth
Luerce yoting toons into the depths smh
Yote is the past tense of yeet btw. I invented it
pallid quiver
I really wish there was a class I didn't already have investment in that I could play Earthen on other than Pala
lusty grotto
so the restore should be the brez
sir, report to Ranger Sareyn outside Fairbreeze Village
pallid quiver
i'd make it a war, but I'm mega invested in my Tauren since I've literally played this char since I started
pallid quiver
sir, report to Ranger Sareyn outside Fairbreeze Village
no, they can sit there and cry
that char's retired
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
going fishing in the dragon isles until further notice
warm plinth
You know what stat they should track?
lusty grotto
dn
warm plinth
How many times you've ignored shandris feathermoon in valdrakken
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I'd be the leader on that one
pallid quiver
I've ignored the Highmountain lady on more than a few chars
She's like "help there's a racist cow about" and then i just walk off
lusty grotto
this one?
warm plinth
I've ignored Shandris on every char. I never did that quest; I don't even know what it's for
pallid quiver
ye
lusty grotto
lol yeah its just a story quest
pallid quiver
I've ignored Shandris on every char. I never did that quest; I don't even know ...
Introduces you to the Druids of the Flame helping with Fyrakk
lusty grotto
thankfully they are faded out if youve done them on another warband char
pallid quiver
to give context to Amirdrassil raid
jagged gust
I've ignored Shandris on every char. I never did that quest; I don't even know ...
if you're tauren you get a back piece don't you?
pallid quiver
not on the shandris one; that's all night elf jazz
warm plinth
Isn't there a new thing for guilds this expansion
warm plinth
Oh, nifty
pallid quiver
theoretically that means i could jpin a guild with people i like
warm plinth
You could join The Rainbow Mafia
pallid quiver
unfortunately, the people i like are here and have guilds with standards or somethin
warm plinth
My guild has no standards except to be a nice person
pallid quiver
So yeah, guilds with standards I can't meet
jagged gust
I have two rules, don't be too racist, and no politics
warm plinth
Rbg?
jagged gust
random battleground i assume
lusty grotto
rated bgs = racist af
pallid quiver
is your guild an RBG guild or something
They could be 4x game enjoyers
warm plinth
Oh
pallid quiver
For strategy games like those, being racist is like a requirement or something
jagged gust
I actually just inherited this guild after the GM's marriage fell apart, so we stopped raiding mythic end of S3 and now I'm trying to build it back up
pallid quiver
You could join The Rainbow Mafia
so how's the raid scene in there, how easy can i cheese out a CE over a weekend ez clap no problems
lusty grotto
its ok
pallid quiver
did you read the text behind that tooltip
jagged gust
It's pretty solidly mid
lofty warren
What is it worse than?
pallid quiver
Did you read the text below where the tooltip's at on your screenshot?
lofty warren
The text says it does very little but I don't understand why
proven stratus
For strategy games like those, being racist is like a requirement or something
It's the bellcurve meme of:
I'm racist
I know a bunch of things about different cultures
I'm racist because I know a bunch of things
Which is most 4x games
lofty warren
Does it have like a 1x per enemy or a super long icd?
Hmm if its healing back 2% of damage taken after all the mitigations/block/reflect isnt of the incoming damage before mitigation then I can see why
jagged gust
It's better than half the races, and worse than half, I'm not even using mid derogatorily, it's literally middle of the pack
tribal wharf
lets be real, you take KT for bitch slap move most cases
lusty grotto
that racial was only a consideration on TGP for dps to meet 1 shot checks (and also done without KT so...)
it doesnt do a whole lot for tanks
so play KT if you like em, otherwise play whatever else you like
lofty warren
Best overall is dwarf then? I had though it was best since the vers and extra healing
jagged gust
for defensive utility specifically
lusty grotto
for everything
NE isnt a defensive option
its only there because there are always meld skip techs
but they arent as important as stoneform or fireblood
like i mentioned before, VDHs and Bears would go dwarf or dark iron, if they could
jagged gust
Yeah I was amalgamating skip tech into defensive, can't take damage if the mobs dont see you kek
lofty warren
Dark iron seems niche because how often are you poisoned and cursed and bleeding and diseased
lusty grotto
huh
lofty warren
Removes all poison, disease, curse, magic, and bleed effects and increases your primary stat by 876 and an additional 292 for each effect removed. Lasts 8 sec.
lusty grotto
in that case so is dwarf
if you consider it that way
im aware of what fireblood does, thats why i put it up there with stoneform
lofty warren
Removes all harmful Poison, Disease, Curse, Magic, and Bleed effects and reduces all physical damage taken by 10% for 8 sec.
Og dwarf doesn't get more bonus with more debuffs
south zealot
it gets passive crit though
vivid orchid
Passive crit vs passive dr
vivid orchid
Nah that's rating based
lofty warren
Does war need even more physical dr? Thought that was warrior specialty
vivid orchid
It never hurts
south zealot
even so, melee is your most taken damage by far in every key
lusty grotto
nothing else matters anywhere near as much
waxen frigate
Have y’all never experienced pepega before
waxen frigate
Oh ok then I won’t interfere, this is a canon event
jagged gust
Oh ok then I won’t interfere, this is a canon event
Dr Who taught me there are some things you just can't change
south zealot
i might potentially main monk next tier nish
lofty warren
trying to learn the details of pwar
patent musk
when u charge into a pack, do u open with shield slam to get it on cd, or thunder clap so u get the bleed going?
lusty grotto
theres an opener part in the wowhead guide
lofty warren
Think it says to put avatar and shield block after charge but before you reach enemy
south zealot
when u charge into a pack, do u open with shield slam to get it on cd, or thunde...
thunder clap establish instant threat
is what i do
patent musk
yeah i would really like a reasoning for different spells instead of a blatant do x cause
patent musk
yeah it is, the thunder clap thing
lofty warren
Avatar makes you big and shield block makes you not die is the thought behind I think
patent musk
so we open with slam for 100% defensive, and with thunder clap if we are secure into the pull and want instant threat?
lusty grotto
south zealot
if you have hots on
lusty grotto
you dont need to slam
charge generates rage as does avatar
its enough for shield BLOCK
which is your active mitigation defensive, not shield slam
i think hes confusing them
south zealot
i try to save aoe taunt for when i dont have avatar and im pulling with 0 rage
that way i can shield slam to get shield block up, then use taunt so shit doesnt go everywhere
jagged gust
Also technically, ravager before all of that
lofty warren
You want ro get on your mount and start collecting mobs while the over-eager mage to combusts and rips aggro
jagged gust
If the mage wants to die that's their problem
lusty grotto
the mage?
lol
tell me you havent played DF without telling me you havent played DF
vivid orchid
That one's too overt
jagged gust
not very demure
lusty grotto
lmao will
lofty warren
I only played s3 as vdh in df but I remember fire mage would do that alot in shadowland
south zealot
bc fire mages are usually stupid
lusty grotto
i think you guys are misspelling SP or Ret pally
jagged gust
funny way of spelling fury warrior
lusty grotto
true as well
lusty grotto
can confirm, nimchipadin dum
presses Fyralath oh fuck i forgot to bubble
dies to swirly
tropic tangle
spriest die as soon as they press pi every time
if the pull is big enough for SP to be good, they have plenty of GCDs to burn for tank to establish
lusty grotto
yeah probably not the best example
south zealot
not from agro, from standing in stupid shit
jagged gust
now that I can confirm
tropic tangle
oh yeah, that's truth
lusty grotto
forgot to flash heal
jagged gust
Trying to get one more empowered shadow blast off "I can do it I can do it!"
chilly brook
servers up or?
lusty grotto
they have been yes
tropic tangle
forgot to flash, or fade, or pws, or yeah just plain greeding
chilly brook
should log on so I'm able to start leveling as soon as launch happens
tropic tangle
very guilty of that in my small time playing spriest
jagged gust
Actually it's void torrent, it's always void torrent
tropic tangle
or the 2gcd channel for mfi
chilly brook
shadow priests aren't real people
tropic tangle
it's a pretty fun spec, but aside from greeding casts it is insane how much easier it is to play at range
pallid quiver
or did you
lusty grotto
hmm
ima print this screenshot and put it on my fridge
ill tell the tale to my friends: "i was the last message on tww beta prot channel, until mwahi cheated"
they'll gasp and become emotionally invested
in telling me to shut the fuck up
mellow quartz
And we thought keys were hard already and then they come and say the +12 damage amp never worked on beta!
Da fuq
lusty grotto
what do they mean to making the 2-11 experience better
ionic fern
ill tell the tale to my friends: "i was the last message on tww beta prot channe...
I'm going to delete your message
Out of spite.
Or re-open the channel.
lusty grotto
nooooo
mellow quartz
Do it, make mine the last
mellow quartz
what do they mean to making the 2-11 experience better
By the 7% damage nerf yesterday
but my tale
mellow quartz
Blizzard gives with 1 hand and takes away with the other
lusty grotto
1 step forward 2 steps back
mellow quartz
People thinking keys were now tight on timer only, well now tight on living as well
lusty grotto
jesus idk shits gonna hurt
tropic tangle
combined with the 15s death penalty, we're going to be in depleto town for a while
mellow quartz
It will be a while before you do any +12s anyway
But yeah shits abt to get real when you step from 11-12
Back when we were scaled to 613 even 10’s felt hard
wary heath
What post are y'all referring to
lusty grotto
wary heath
How'd you respond that fast
lusty grotto
cause i have it open
and was about to say something
kinda felt like dungeons were ready to release, i dont fucking know about now with that revelation
mellow quartz
99-100% of players won’t do a +10 week 1
lusty grotto
10
mellow quartz
What ilvl do we came into that first week with anyway?
wary heath
okay good casual players have been saved
coming into season 1 I believe no higher than 560~ something ilvl
with the heroic dungeon nerf until s1
delve/ heroic nerf
mellow quartz
Isn’t it m0’s during heroic week
wary heath
uhhhhhh. Let me double check that
mellow quartz
Heroic dungeons until that week
lusty grotto
yea m0s are in heroic week
heroic dungeon also have capped ilvl rewards
increasing with each week
mellow quartz
So you can’t even do a +10 heroic week to get vault
lusty grotto
wary heath
M0's aren't open until september 10 th (2 weeks after global release), they are not open during heric dungeon nerf week
you'll get 2 vaults of 593 gear, during the heroic week, with capped dropped gear of 567
so your ilvl going into season 1 will be around 570 at best
if anyone has proof otherwise let me know