@lament musk playing that new Warrior spec.
#protection
ionic fern
warm plinth
You know I heard literally nothing about that game, then all of a sudden it was all over my youtube home page
ionic fern
It got famous cause it told those diversity people to bug off.
pallid quiver
I know people were riding on it because China or something, and that's about all I remember
also a strimmer had a funny brb screen
lusty grotto
its a soulslike, people like spamming soulslikes in stream
i want to play it but...
warm plinth
Ah okay
lusty grotto
im kinda concerned about chinese shit installing on my pc
warm plinth
We love souls like tbh
jagged gust
It's just the flavour of the week for streaming
lusty grotto
at least shadow of the erdtree more than satisfied the goty soulslike shit
warm plinth
Though I say that as the guy who has only played like 10 hours of elden ring
lusty grotto
for me at least
warm plinth
How much are you planning to be on wow
pallid quiver
i'm just a filthy casual
warm plinth
You doing 3 days?
lusty grotto
2
lusty grotto
im gonna say 3 though cause there's no way we can push fast with 2 days
and we already have a 3rd day agreed on
lusty grotto
also my ffxiv static broke up so im not gonna be schedule juggling
warm plinth
Maybe me you and luerce can do a m+ night once or twice a week
lusty grotto
could be fun yea
warm plinth
Wish Mwahi could come 
tender cove
It got famous cause it told those diversity people to bug off.
Ive heard people gossip about it being fake and just used for PR. Since its china and its heavily controlled by CCP already.
pallid quiver
Wish Mwahi could come <:sadge:820202363359854633>
If my diabolical mastermind plans pay off, he just might be able to
ionic fern
Wish Mwahi could come <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Come where?
Oh, M+ night?
If only. 😦
warm plinth
Brew are you na
dusky canopy
Yessir
lusty grotto
he is
pallid quiver
well, if we do go warrior heavy and need a break up, at least that shaman buff will get some use
lusty grotto
i had a xfer
dusky canopy
Oh right it’s cross realm guilds now yeah!?
dusky canopy
Wicked
grim pilot
Transfers feel kinda useless rn unless youre going from dead realm to not dead
lusty grotto
NA illidan is heavy pop
Arthas is dead
but arthas is my og server
and i dont need crafters with guild xrealm transfer
err
crafting
grim pilot
Yeah im not sure how exactly orders work now, same as before or
grim pilot
Have they dabbled into that
lusty grotto
guild work orders should be cross realm
warm plinth
Myrt I am back to bother you in two places
dusky canopy
Mwuahahh
grim pilot
Dw im not much in prot channel
warm plinth
He's being grumpy in mpf
warm plinth
Nothing new
warm plinth
Same old same old. I just did a giveaway
warm plinth
Well, not yet. Gotta be friends for 3 days to gift 🙃
But should be able to deliver shortly before early access starts tomorrow
warm plinth
Yeah I had covid or I wouldn't have cut it so close
Was basically bedridden for almost a week. Was out of bed for like 2 hours over the course of 5 days
dusky canopy
Damn no good, All better I assume?
That isn’t a fun time at all
warm plinth
My voice is still ragged and I'm coughing a little but I feel fine
And I'm negative now
tender cove
Why do we need to sleep 1/3 of our lives? What biological necessity developed the need for sleep?
Imagine how much more gaming could be done with those 8 hours, just saying xD
tender cove
Same, havent sleept 8 hours since young but they say sleeping to little is really bad long term for the brain.
dusky canopy
Supposedly
warm plinth
I usually go to sleep around 11 and get up at 7
simple drum
I’m levelling Colossus Prot and no one can stop me!
dusky canopy
Oh no
strong forum
i actually recommend to level as colossus
pallid quiver
i mean colossus is pretty good for levelling
pallid quiver
Like, levelling as a tank spec is usually wrap everything up, burst them all dead, move on to next group
and getting demolish from the word go does pretty good at enabling that
strong forum
thane only starts working once you have all things
whereas colossus works out the gate
warm plinth
Hi nome
simple drum
I stopped you
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
warm plinth
New pfp is goated
dusky canopy
strong forum
warm plinth
Nah hair not crazy enough in that one
pallid quiver
huh
since when have the flight paths on the map listed the full name of where they're going to
warm plinth
I'm here for the crazy Nome hair
pallid quiver
Like Grom'gol, Stranglethorn Vale
pallid quiver
i feel like i'd have noticed, so i guess part of the tww changes
dusky canopy
Wait you can read!?!?!?
pallid quiver
They've changed a lot of things with the map, so it wouldn't surprise me
warm plinth
Pretty sure the valdraszus one has always said thaldraszus on it
Valdeakken
Phone please
dusky canopy
So close
warm plinth
Valdrakken
pallid quiver
there's no zeps that go to valdrakken, so
dusky canopy
warm plinth
Oh the zeppelin has said it for a long time
pallid quiver
I could have swore it just said the zone on the map
warm plinth
Since the start of the expansion o think
I
Ugh why is it still an hour and a half from the end of the day
pallid quiver
why you counting down, wow time when you're done?
warm plinth
Just ready to go home. I will probably be on wow a bit tonight to make sure everything is set up and addons are updated and all that
Not sure if I'll be on all evening or not though since there's not really a point in me doing anything til tomorrow
jagged gust
oh shit early access starts tomorrow?
pallid quiver
you can help me find old raids that i always forget where the entrances are
Yeah, later on in the day for US people
Timer on wowhead for it
jagged gust
oh dang, I just assumed it started on friday, thanks for the heads up
pallid quiver
why the fuck is the bastion of twilight's entrance not in the spire, but on a dinky ass rock above it
I need to go back in time to fight blizz
pallid quiver
unless you're farming aoe parses
warm plinth
Lightning or no lightning, not even a challenge
daring grove
Yall need to reroll sham, big warrior smash is the only way
wary heath
Shamans are so 2004
plush tendon
Shamans are now 2024
dusk crypt
As far as racials go does earthen beat out dwarf ?
plush tendon
As far as racials go does earthen beat out dwarf ?
no
dusky canopy
tender cove
on the upcoming wowhead guide changes you can read all about that
Are the guides only posted to wowhead? Or i can read them somewhere else?
Wowhead is GEO blocking access to asien region. Havent tried if they also block ipsec or if vpn would work. Dont really want to pay for vpn only to access wowhead xD
daring grove
Shamans are so 2004
I'd be interested in sham if earth tank spec sham ever becomes a thing
lusty grotto
Are the guides only posted to wowhead? Or i can read them somewhere else?
Brother I already mentioned icy veins to you
Yesterday
It's written by mwahi
tender cove
Brother I already mentioned icy veins to you
Ohh, my bad. When you said the talents were different I just assumed it was two different guides.
pallid quiver
They're different guides written by different people, but considering Mwahi and Nome don't attempt to murder each other or anything, the content of their guides are likely to be fairly similar since they're both, like
good
tender cove
Fair to say its the same end result just in two different formats?
ionic fern
I couldn't care less about leveling, so my leveling page goes "Do whichever you want", with suggestions.
You'll just speed run it anyways.
lofty warren
Brew and blood have too many buttons, paladin sucks, & vdh class talent requires you to burn all defensives to do dps.
Right now it's between Moon bear and thunder pwar waiting to find out which is going to be stronger
torn gulch
or play both
urban portal
5 mana 4/4 charge
strong forum
Are the guides only posted to wowhead? Or i can read them somewhere else?
You can read mwahis guide on icyveins, but my wowhead guide is only wowhead
plush path
pallid quiver
ur this
strong forum
No clue looks like a pvp debuff
toxic pewter
is that whole druid of the claw go into cat form actually a thing or more of a gimmick/ will people actually do it
peak oar
as new prot warrior how do you learn to differentiate which spells are physical and which are magical? Is there any way to see how much damage you're taking from a given pack?
dusky canopy
You can use Warcraft logs to really deep dive
But being new it might be overwhelming
tribal wharf
wow story thing broken lol
remote tusk
Little PSA, if you have the Protection Warrior Mage Tower appearance for your main hand (the flail) you may get an error message when logging in, crashing the game.
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/exception-accessviolation-the-memory-could-not-be-read/1921923
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/exception-accessviolation-the-memory-could-not-be-read/529966
It'll look like this (my third warrior is using the appearance, before my DH was there and no issues)
lusty grotto
i have no issues with MT appearances on all of my tanks
but my warrior has the fish on so
i would have to mog it to MT and test
mage tower appearnce
loaded fine
none of these have been recently mog'd so
maybe thats part of the problem? ill check in a sec
no issues
remote tusk
It's not every time, just some times.
warm plinth
Rip nimchip
remote tusk
Also it appears to be specifically the flail
lusty grotto
remote tusk
Not the others
lusty grotto
no issues with monk
if its flails then let me mog my pally and warrior
keep in mind, the monk one is flail-like
remote tusk
also it doesn't happen every time, i had it like 3 times in a row before i had a successful one
dusky canopy
I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that if it doesn’t happen consistently its probably not the flail appearance
lusty grotto
remote tusk
did you read the topics?
dusky canopy
Appearances are just textures that shouldn’t crash your game
lusty grotto
no issues with pally
remote tusk
these appearances have physics
remote tusk
no issues with pally
try restarting the game
lusty grotto
1 sec mogging my warrior
dusky canopy
And asking me if I read your messages after I specifically replied to your message is not beneficial contribution to the conversation
remote tusk
warm plinth
He was asking if you read the forum topics nerd
remote tusk
lusty grotto
remote tusk
we are warrior we dont read
dusky canopy
This is true I don’t read
dusky canopy
Largest shield I know
remote tusk
no zerker stance here
remote tusk
yup
warm plinth
Chef nimchip with no fish is 
dusky canopy
NIM you figured it out bro
remote tusk
so its related to warrior flail
dusky canopy
Guys a mad scientist
warm plinth
Double the flail, double the chaos
lusty grotto
it let me log in
remote tusk
dual wield flail is harder crash
lusty grotto
but it swapped my appearances for it
warm plinth
Ultimate class fantasy
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
ill just mog them off again just in case
warm plinth
Bro
lusty grotto
yes yes back to stewart (the fish)
warm plinth
There's a fucking Volvo in front of me
dusky canopy
TEXTING AND DRIVING
warm plinth
His license plate says alt f4
dusky canopy
SMH
lusty grotto
xD
dusky canopy
Alt f4 is a dub though ngl
lusty grotto
btw @strong forum the SR WA is blasting lua errors
lofty warren
Declare @i int =3
While 1=1
Begin
Select @i=@i^3;
Select 1/0;
End
lusty grotto
hard to take a neverending divide by zero pointer loop without proper markup
warm plinth
TEXTING AND DRIVING
You can't prove it
pallid quiver
But I can
warm plinth
How
pallid quiver
I've got my guys everywhere
lusty grotto
bonus btw
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I've got my guys everywhere
Fun fact it's actually legal here 
chilly brook
Fun fact it's actually legal here <:keks:936231610850897992>
👋
warm plinth
Hi Griff!
warm plinth
Thank ya
pallid quiver
Fun fact it's actually legal here <:keks:936231610850897992>
but think of the reputational damage
All of the armchair lawyers will tear you apart
lusty grotto
btw @remote tusk im guessing that its related to the warband screen
warm plinth
I'll take my chances
lusty grotto
i can test moving my monk up
dusky canopy
You can't prove it
Can’t prove I do it either 😉
lusty grotto
and/or moving a mogged warrior or pally down
cause brew has the same physics
its a 2 hander sure, but it dangles
warm plinth
My cat is currently using my arm as a scratching post. Send help
lusty grotto
kinda busy but i can test later
warm plinth
its a 2 hander sure, but it dangles
God I wish we had a starboard for this
lusty grotto
thats how it goes
chilly brook
Fuck man I’m so torn
lusty grotto
it sometimes doesnt dangle, only in extreme ecstasy
remote tusk
Female Dorf
lusty grotto
excuse me sir
pallid quiver
It is funny how only Earthen have female dorfs
warm plinth
Cat
pallid quiver
Consume the cat's hope, joy, and optimism.
chilly brook
It is funny how only Earthen have female dorfs
Lore accurate female dorfs
If it don’t have a beard it ain’t a dorf
lusty grotto
just say bearded dwarfette
dusky canopy
chilly brook
She likes making a mess
dusky canopy
Holy molyyy
chilly brook
dusky canopy
This exists
wary heath
Can you still obtain thunder fury in 2024 or is there just a mog for it in class Hall or something
Really going deep into lightning here ...
pallid quiver
You can still get it, but it's a pain in the ass
Since you have to get two rare drops off MC bosses
south zealot
oh thanks for reminder to go my baron geddon kill
rigid yew
Very much worth it
It took me 3 months
I've heard it took some people 1-2 years
The most important thing to do is start now
round pendant
what's that from
wary heath
So I should have been doing it all of dragon flight but waited the night before the expansion
👹
lusty grotto
a lot of these stats are in the achivement window
warm plinth
Yeah it's kinda meh tbh
lusty grotto
blizzard just put an API access to it so these websites just read it
tribal wharf
its not so bad
pallid quiver
nothing will beat raider.io showing the asskicking outfit you actually had on for each season
"Hey, here's what the gear you had equipped the most looked like without transmog"
tribal wharf
clown.png
little sigil
Am I going crazy or is it since prepatch that warriors always log into defensive stance, regardless of what stance u were in when logging out
tribal wharf
@little sigil now that you mention it, but yes
lusty grotto
Am I going crazy or is it since prepatch that warriors always log into defensive...
yes
youre not crazy its a thing
little sigil
questionable change...
lusty grotto
sure is
tribal wharf
ya, well, its just 1 button to hit to change it
could be annoying if u DC'd and having dstance or bstanc was important, say mythic
some tank swap dot
urban portal
Wasn’t it before that you relog with no stance
waxen frigate
Wasn’t it before that you relog with no stance
no
it just kept the one you had on before
frosty holly
warcraftstory.com
Just like IRL. I'm a huge error
wary heath
When does noms tww prot guide go live 👀
cinder nova
Isn't it already?
pallid quiver
It's very likely done, so whenever Wowhead staff proper decides to ship everything out
I wager it'll be sometime tomorrow, not too long before early access starts
mellow quartz
Perfect time to push new content about classes while people sit and roll their thumbs waiting for the timer to tick down.
waxen frigate
When does noms tww prot guide go live 👀
he hasnt started on it yet he told me
too busy pulling mad bitches and having boatloads of sex irl at massive parties
waxen frigate
Isn't Nom a father?
he's my daddy
cinder nova
Go drink the Nile, you too thirsty obv
waxen frigate
Go drink the Nile, you too thirsty obv
ionic fern
The Protection Warrior guides have been updated for The War Within!
Wowhead Protection Guide
Icy Veins Protection Guide
rigid hull
The Protection Warrior guides have been updated for The War Within!
# <:wowhead:...
yooooo
sick guide
tawdry dirge
what will be a good profession in tww for raiding and m+
atm running alchy and engi
tawdry dirge
but engi was a bit meh in DF imo
yeah i know not like back in the days with professionbuffs
ionic fern
Alchemy is always a solid choice for raids.
tawdry dirge
i was thinking if BS makes more sence
ionic fern
And out of the other options, i would go for Engi for some cool gadgets.
tawdry dirge
is there this time cool gadgets?
ionic fern
is there this time cool gadgets?
I honestly don't know, my profession knowledge is non-existant.
tawdry dirge
xD
tawdry dirge
cheers for the link
ye me neither but on my pala it was handy to craft me my embelishments my self
with BS
rigid yew
is there a lot of button bloat on prot warrior?
ebon geyser
And out of the other options, i would go for Engi for some cool gadgets.
engi what would they have that benefit us?
ebon geyser
i havent pay attention to engi in a hot min
south zealot
brew has us beat on both
honestly its not nearly as bad as it was
rjw is completely fine to drop now and you dont crane kick nearly as much
ebon geyser
that profession has been so trash that i dont remember when was the last time it was useful
south zealot
crane kick eats rocks
lusty grotto
i know
rigid yew
lots of buttons yes
ahhhh gotcha. redoing all of my keybinds and trying to account for the sheer amount of buttons some classes have rn
lusty grotto
if youre used to prot bindings, youll have 0 problems with the rest of the classes/specs
south zealot
ahhhh gotcha. redoing all of my keybinds and trying to account for the sheer amo...
the most youll need is 3 full bars
and maybe a couple extra
spare forge
When is lvl max changed ? Tomorrow ? Or the 26 ?
rigid yew
some have multiple movement, some have multiple stops/interrupts, trying to group by function for each set of keys lmao
idk what class has e v e r y t h i n g with all the keys lol
fleet spire
hello, i am planning to play prot warrior for the next xpac. i have some problems with spam clicking currently. is it a bad idea to macro keybinds like shieldslam, thunderclap and ignore pain together? i was planning to have one keybind for ignorepain and one for revenge.
south zealot
dont macro abilities together, very bad
wary heath
i can show you how i group them , but i don't claim to be a RWF guy or anything
misty shuttle
i can show you how i group them , but i don't claim to be a RWF guy or anything
Id like to se that
jagged gust
I always just do rotational on one bar, non-rotational DPS CDs on another, then another bar for defensives, another bar for heals, a bar for CC and the likes, then a bar for stuff I'll have to click every so often like battleshout
south zealot
i can show you how i group them , but i don't claim to be a RWF guy or anything
keybinds have basically nothing to do with skill
jagged gust
but I use elvui so I can customize my bars to be specific sizes and in specific places
ionic fern
hello, i am planning to play prot warrior for the next xpac. i have some problem...
It is a bad idea.
You want to use your generators on CD and IP only to dump rage.
rigid yew
i can show you how i group them , but i don't claim to be a RWF guy or anything
i am curious lol
jagged gust
oh, and a bar for movement-esque abilities, can't forget leap and charge
ionic fern
Maybe you got some button bloat that shouldn't be there?
wary heath
I use the naga 12 button mouse so this is just personally how I lay out my UI since it matches what's on the mouse , rotational abilities are the easiest to reach keybinds and things i use less often are further away from wasd , defenses grouped at the top , and utility are all with the pointer finger
rigid yew
I use the naga 12 button mouse so this is just personally how I lay out my UI si...
i also have a 12 button lol
jagged gust
as long as you can see your abilities without taking your eye off your toon, it doesn't matter in the end
ebon geyser
mmo mouse... probably press like 3 buttons at the sam etime if i had one.. idk how ppl do it
rigid yew
utility on pointer finger? interesting.
jagged gust
fr, never found an mmo mouse that didn't feel like I was pressing 6 buttons simultaneously
wary heath
well my right hand is always performing rotational damaging abilities which leaves your left hand free to use keybind off GCD defenses and utilites
fleet spire
is ignore pain off the gcd? i am worried i am going to miss a lot of casts because i am not fast enough
jagged gust
yes
lusty grotto
yes
rigid yew
I was thinking like zxcv for larger defensives, and mousewheel ogcds lol
jagged gust
IP/SB are off GCD, as well as avatar
south zealot
bruh in big enough pulls you literally cannot possibly spend enough rage
lusty grotto
shield block, ip, avatar, sr, stances are all off the gcd
south zealot
its kinda annoying
rigid yew
ahh
ionic fern
is ignore pain off the gcd? i am worried i am going to miss a lot of casts becau...
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
Use this instead of your Ignore Pain. It will help you snipe Shield Slam resets.
south zealot
like first pull in aa you can literally press ip every single time it is possibly available and you will not run out of rage
lusty grotto
do not use that macro to do shield slam
wary heath
some people bind IP to mouse wheel ,i dont think im smart enough to remember to do it or unintentionally
rigid yew
what do you all use for mobility keybinds?
lusty grotto
you dont spam ip
fleet spire
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
Use this instead of your Ignore Pain. It wi...
thanks, i will try that out
wary heath
i use my mouse wheel like a fidget spinner is what im saying, so it would never work for me
wary heath
haha
but about the number of buttons. i dont have room for disrupting shout on this layout, so you gotta have a couple extra flex spots....you could technically rotate fireblood into a dps cooldown, but situatinally removing bleeds is like the talent bitter immunity but better
nvm that replaces challenging shot..
south zealot
what do you all use for mobility keybinds?
charge q leap v
lusty grotto
my binds are `, 1-5, q, e, r (my reply is bound to J), f, c, x, z, v and CTRL and Shift modifiers
south zealot
1-6 qerty fgh zxcv and ctrl/shift/alt modifiers is what i use
i also have ctrl shift modifiers for shit like heartstone and repair mount
lusty grotto
my H is mount
rigid yew
so many gotcha
rigid yew
oh forgot about those specifically lol
ionic fern
Opie = markers for me.
rigid yew
thoughts on kick on scroll wheel?
ionic fern
Shift+S
lusty grotto
on all characters
mint quartz
kick = shift+2
ionic fern
Scroll wheel binds seem..weird.
south zealot
yeah idk about that
lusty grotto
yeah idk why anyone would unbind mouse zoom
rigid yew
I'm typically not zooming everywhere so have it on ctrl mousewheel
lusty grotto
even with TWW camera changes, there are dungeons where youre gonna have a bad time with camera collision
rigid yew
ooo gotcha
lusty grotto
if youre not zooming everywhere kinda sounds like you havent done a lot of keys lol
lusty grotto
nothing tilts me more than fucking tree branch collision
rigid yew
like a week or 2 ago
this is a really recent change tho
so haven't tried it in keys this week
what's taunt bound to?
ionic fern
Q
lusty grotto
blizzard instead of doing the modern thing of making blockers transparents, made your own transparent
i use 2
rigid yew
xd
lusty grotto
but honestly 2 isnt a good bind for it youre not taunting constantly
its a legacy bind more than anything
ionic fern
1-4 are for "i press these a lot"
So..
SS->TC->Revenge->SB
rigid yew
makes sense
lusty grotto
yeah ideally i do 1-5 and R for "i press these a lot"
south zealot
revenge ss tc intervene ravager spellblock is my 1-6
lusty grotto
F as well
south zealot
which is weird as fuck
wary heath
how much revenge will we be pressing? I suspect a lot less
south zealot
intervene on 4 is wild
rigid yew
lol
south zealot
how much revenge will we be pressing? I suspect a lot less
as thane, less than now
as colossus a lot more than now
rigid yew
hmm this does make a lot of sense though..
rigid yew
i was thinking of binding buff to `
jagged gust
If I don't see them, I don't click them is my only problem
lusty grotto
actually, i do have it bound for brezzes, but i dont normally use them
lusty grotto
clickable group buff weakaura to the rescue
` is a perfect "oh shit" button
for health pots or cookies
rigid yew
yea need to figure out my oh shit buttons
rigid yew
for health pot/stone
south zealot
for those buttons
rigid yew
since mine do NOT make sense rn
jagged gust
On my mouse I remapped 0 to be the button below my mouse wheel, it's super handy
south zealot
iv is ctrl v lol
jagged gust
so that's my emergency button now
rigid yew
I initially had mine on mouse button 4 and 5 (nudging mouse wheel one side or the other)
for pot/stone
jagged gust
mb4/5 are perfect for IP/SB for me, I always try to keep off gcd buttons so my thumb can handle them instead of my fingers
rigid yew
oh, not like the side button 4/5
jagged gust
now if only they could take demo shout off the gcd again, my setup will be perfect
rigid yew
but the scroll wheel nudged right or left
jagged gust
oh, that's a neat mouse
rigid yew
my 4/5 are spenders while 1-3 are typically builders lol
oh are combat pots macro'd in, or a separate key for you all?
wary heath
does glyph of the thunder strike interfere with any new visuals added for thane (if any)
strong forum
Nah
You get the standard 3 small lightning beams with the glyph
Without the glyph you don't get the 3 lightning beams
If you talent into crackling thunder you get a nice blue sparks to your TC tho
So they all go very well together
tender cove
Ohh, my merch just arrived. Anyone wants some free gear? xD
Just things like tshirts, stickers, grinders, lighters etc.
strong forum
dusky sentinel
Anyone had the access violation memory read error while logging warband page? Quite annoying on launch day 
tender cove
Oo like spice grinders?
yes, im in the legal cannabis industry.
frosty holly
Aa so more in terms of dune spice then
tender cove
haha, kinda i guess xD
white mauve
I guess MwD/MwU are mousewheel up/down? I tried using the mouse wheel before and never got the hang of it. Bound Alt1-6 as my naga 1-6 to cover off the stragglers. I SB/IP/SS/TC as 1-4 but looking at everyone elses i now feel like a total fool 😄
ebon geyser
water rdy, coffee, rdy, energy bars rdy, let them come im rdy lol
jagged gust
I guess MwD/MwU are mousewheel up/down? I tried using the mouse wheel before and...
Hey man as long as it works for you that's all that matters, my keybinds are a little messed up since changing my layout too, the mousewheel abilities should all be on shift mods (Idk why but shift mod in my head means this ability is important)
But it's all to help my memory, reflect starts with r, so that makes sense, block is like reflect so it shares the same bind with a mod, things like WW or ravager I'll put on the mouse wheel, Spin (The mousewheel) to win
SB/IP on the rotational keys is insane tho ngl
patent musk
Hello, i am looking to create a warrior for pushing m+ (title keys). I am looking at the earthern's racials, and they seem potent for warrior? Is there anything particularly good stone form is for s1 tww?
because if there isn't, having a heal that u can use on allies and a good passive seems good
white mauve
SB/IP on the rotational keys is insane tho ngl
Yeh, I'm relatively new to tanking and still finding my jam with the main keys needed. Rotational keys for me are 1-4, Qertfg, shift+qertfg and Alt-123 (Bound to naga).
patent musk
i am also unsure if their "well fed" bonuses are stronger than usual
white mauve
I wasn't quite aware that revenge is more important than i thought, I was only really using it as a rage dump when IP is up and keeping IP up as much as possible to smooth it out and SB when getting slapped about
It is on R-key so easy to get to and use alot, but noticed yours is front and center on 1 😄
jagged gust
Yeh, I'm relatively new to tanking and still finding my jam with the main keys n...
Yeah like I've said before, I try to keep my off-gcd abilities on a different hand, maybe helps that I play instruments so I'm used to using my hands independent of one another but it's like having 2 separate rotations instead of mashing 100apms with 4 fingers
Well our main rotation consists of revenge/SS/TC/Exe, revenge is still our lowest priority but it still gets used often enough, sometimes you just get unlucky with your SS resets
jagged gust
hell yeah, get out there and make your brown brothers proud
patent musk
Standard dwarf is still better
ok, but "why" is it better? is there are list of dangerous things we can dwarf?
or is the 10% physical dr that strong just to use as a general cd?
because i personally don't "really" care about the 2% crit damage, as that is a raid thing
grim pilot
10% phys dr is kinda w.e
ionic fern
ok, but "why" is it better? is there are list of dangerous things we can dwarf?
Dwarf can dispell bleeds/poisons etc, which can be horrible.
- the 2% extra crit damage.
But honestly, it doesn't really matter which race you play.
I like earthen cause it's a tall dworf and has decent mog model.
So i'll probably raceswap.
grim pilot
Bleeds/dots are our weak point so if there are any dwarfable ones it’s massive
Tho idk s1 dungeons but likely there will be 1 or 2 at least
jagged gust
So stoneform in general is the best m+ tank racial, it's not always needed, but there's often case uses in singular dungeons where it can help take the load off. That being said I haven't researched TWW at all so I can't say where it would be applied. The Armor bonus shouldn't be taken in to consideration for the defensive benefit, but more for the DPS gain from the armour to str conversion, which is simply lower than the crit from base dwarf
patent musk
i mean if there are dangerous mechanics we can dwarf it does matter, hence i am asking what they are since if there isn't anything, i think of going earthern as well for the cool racial
ionic fern
i mean if there are dangerous mechanics we can dwarf it does matter, hence i am ...
There are no mechanics which are tuned around you being a Dwarf for the dispell.
You have other tools / healer behind you to deal with it.
Dwarf is just a QoL, nothing else.
patent musk
well u say that, but there are also no mechanics where u have to be night as well dh, but having that option was insane
it allowed u to skip things
jagged gust
Dwarves also have legitimately the worst running animation in the game, so for that reason alone I don't play them
patent musk
no, i am aksing, is there a list of stuff that we can dispel as dwarf in s1 tww so i can make the choice
jagged gust
Also consider S2
patent musk
Also consider S2
I will delete the char once s1 ends
jagged gust
based
patent musk
dh main, just making a tank to push with
jagged gust
I can't see DH not being meta tbh
mellow quartz
I could see anything being meta after heroic week tuning
wind carbon
I am tanking with a Kul Tiran and I find this race able to tank at high keystones
Prot Warr obv
jagged gust
Makes sense, Kul Tiran bellies can be considered a second shield
patent musk
I could see anything being meta after heroic week tuning
exactly, point is to have dh/warrior covered
grim pilot
Dont think people have tested enough to know
dusky sentinel
Vulpera is bis tho cause they evade alot of hits cause their small and agile
patent musk
i was told prot war was extremely durable and made aug not needed, and it fits with a melee comp
grim pilot
Well pwar is prob best tank for physical damage and buffs your melees by 5%
But idk about this aug needed or not needed
These statements are a bit iffy in general saying u need aug to live
mellow quartz
Well pwar is prob best tank for physical damage and buffs your melees by 5%
Probably bear in incarn
jagged gust
Yeah, but once incarn drops they're wet paper bags
mellow quartz
Which you would have for important pulls
grim pilot
Can u have 100% uptime on it
Or close to 100%
Pulls dont last 30 seconds in high keys
mellow quartz
Look at bears doing first pull in NW on beta vs warriors as an example
jagged gust
and high tyr bosses absolutely shred bears rn, hopefully something passes to up their self sustain or something in tuning
mellow quartz
That pull is almost solely physical damage
grim pilot
Look at bears doing first pull in NW on beta vs warriors as an example
Not sure what for, I’m on a phone either way - pretty sure both of them can survive it and thats all that matters, no?
mellow quartz
All depends on key level 🤷♂️
Would say bear can do that pull on a higher max key level than pwar can but we shall see.
My point was ‘best tank against physical’ is not so clear cut but sure we are great.
spare viper
man this rage gen feels really bad ngl so weird having like a full bar of rage every other global
might be a macro ignore pain to a bunch of things expac for me tbh
spare viper
idk im old i dont want carpel tunnel
feels like it might be higher apm that outlaw or fury
spark cedar
I thought we had rage gen problems noz an abundance of it with colossus 🤔
Ah you are talking about MT
ionic fern
I thought we had rage gen problems noz an abundance of it with colossus 🤔
Colossus = less Rage;
MT = More rage;
spare viper
is ignore pain something pwarrs enjoy pressing? like would it be more enjoyable to just get a shield based on rage spent
i just do it for faster ques and shit so im just curious
hardy snow
exactly, point is to have dh/warrior covered
Season is long, you will have plenty of time to lvl up/gear up any char during the season for pushing.
patent musk
yeah but mythic track stuff for tanks is huge isn't it? i don't want to miss vaults cause i am dpsing in raid and i cant just bring my alt as a tank
strong forum
feels like it might be higher apm that outlaw or fury
Always has been yeah
strong forum
is ignore pain something pwarrs enjoy pressing? like would it be more enjoyable ...
That's what ignore pain was in legion
It was a 10-60 rage spender
And based on how much rage you spent you got a bigger shield
But at that time ignore pain was capped at 3x your HP
And not 30% of your hp xd
spare viper
oh i more so meant like it was passive and it gave you shield based on any other rage you spent i.e revenge would give you 20 rage worth of a ip
strong forum
So just a passive
That would still mean we'd need a spender as replacement of ignore pain
jagged pier
That's what ignore pain was in legion
Bring back thr 90% dr
spare viper
revenge is a spender no?
strong forum
A shit spender on the gcd
strong forum
Ignore pain is a good spender off the gcd
that's the big thing
Revenge doesn't let you spend fast enough and prohibits your generation of rage
spare viper
they could tune it up, seems super degen rn though just from an outside perspective. im probably super wrong tho
strong forum
Probably
spare viper
haha
strong forum
Fwiw, indomitable is already our passive "spend rage to heal" talent
Ignore pain is just the active, and main, spender
To allow you to further generate rage without overcapping
spare viper
ya maybe its just not the tank spec for me
strong forum
Could be
If you don't like the philosophy of "spending resources to gain X"
Cuz you should disconnect the fact that ignore pain is anything but a spender
Rotationally
We prioritise Generation to make use of outburst, indom and angermanagment
And the most effective way at doing so is sending it into an off-gcd spender
That's all there is to it
jagged gust
yeah but mythic track stuff for tanks is huge isn't it? i don't want to miss vau...
Mythic Shield is about the only thing that's gonna make a noticeable different in your overall mitigation, once you have that locked in the rest is just sprinkles on your ice cream
misty shuttle
What professions are you guys gonna run?
jagged pier
Mining and engineering as always
dusky canopy
Engi and alchemy
white mauve
mining/bs
tropic tangle
are phials an hour baseline in tww?
left basalt
haven't logged into wow recently because its been so boring but looking forward too tonight
viscid lake
Is it best to be i. Def stance all the time now?
south zealot
no but its not nearly as punishing as it was
plush tendon
its the little bit of skill expression Prot has left; you can make a super easy macro to swap between stances
I believe its still worth learning how to swap
cause, if you think about it, imagine tanking in B-Stance and getting used to that damage intake. Then D-Stance becomes a toggle 20% DR you can use when you need it
austere oar
I usually d stance on huge pulls to be safe and go b stance on bosses and CD resets packs
plush tendon
the only time I start in D-Stane is if Im doing a push key
and still learning what the damage is like
austere oar
Yeah, the issue with D stance is you take absolutely no damage it's not even fun
plush tendon
or if Im trying to put together a pull that requires me to move a lot (like first pull Ulda)
jagged gust
First pull of ulda with that quad pack pull, or that high key pull with the additional pack from the otherside of the stairs room
that one fucking hurt the first time I tried it, was wholly unprepared for that damage intake lmao
austere oar
If you take 1 bleed from the basilisk it's over
jagged gust
that's too high a skill cap for me
I can't kite those bassy's with 19 other mobs backshotting me lmao
plush tendon
big boi play is to do that on boss
fallow nova
Real chads pull it all into the next room onto the trogg boss
If you have fewer than 75 things hitting you at once, are you really a tank?
plush tendon
do somehing like that
south zealot
that's too high a skill cap for me
you didnt need to do that until like a 21 key though
too risky for my blood id just split it in 2 personally
plush tendon
this is 100% not a pull you just throw at your group in some pickup 14-15
but its really fun and rewarding
if you can get it done
its why I like Uldaman; every boss you can throw trash on
I hate bosses that are locked behind having to kill mobs in the area first
south zealot
its why I like Uldaman; every boss you can throw trash on
besides last boss
that one is turbo off limits lol
plush tendon
yea, last boss is cringe AF
jagged gust
Rewind just cancels out the haste debuff, win/win
plush tendon
if Ulda stopped at 4th boss, it would be a banger dungeon
fallow nova
That makes all of the cata heroic stans sad, though
A full dungeon pull should be three mobs, two being cc'd while one is engaged at a time
fallow nova
That way you can spend a full 6 hours in each dungeon, as God Blizz intended
jagged gust
A full dungeon pull should be three mobs, two being cc'd while one is engaged at...
And dungeons should take 2 hours with 5 minutes of CC setup before each pull, like Metzen intended.
fallow nova
bonus points if you rp with each mob
plush tendon
though it is competing with S1 War Within dungeons and Siege/NW/Mists
jagged gust
I do not miss having to setup Frost Trap pulls on my hunter
fallow nova
I demand speech macros with each and every ability.
jagged gust
Even better, make a WA that triggers Link HYAHH voiceovers every time you shield slam
fallow nova
If a D&D group can get through an extended play session for their dungeon quicker than you can get through a WoW dungeon, you're playing WoW incorrectly
patent musk
anyone have an ignore pain tracker that is like a texture that fills up when u are at maximum power?
south zealot
city of echoes is so close to fun
south zealot
anyone have an ignore pain tracker that is like a texture that fills up when u a...
theres some on wago ppl use but you dont need one
fallow nova
I use one that changes the color of the text depending on how full your IP is
But it matters less now that IP isn't massive like it used to be
I miss Legion IP
jagged gust
Are there any bosses we need to IP stack this season? Didn't notice any doti/DHT truly abhorrent tank busters yet
patent musk
theres some on wago ppl use but you dont need one
which one? i use the same thing for shield block duration in the middle of my screen and would like it to be mirrored with ignore pain
fallow nova
I think that Colossus could go a lot further if they really made IP bigger, so you had more time to contribute thicc damage to it
south zealot
i dont know i dont use one myself
lusty grotto
its the reason why im the first to mention that IP isnt your most important active mit
fallow nova
This is what I use
lusty grotto
and that you SHOULDNT TRACK IT
fallow nova
Though as stated, it doesn't matter as much since we hit it a lot more often
jagged gust
its the reason why im the first to mention that IP isnt your most important acti...
Go farm some downvotes on reddit with a statement like that
fallow nova
It used to be a BIG spender with a BIG shield. It's not like that nowadays
lusty grotto
it wasnt compared to the other spender
patent musk
and that you SHOULDNT TRACK IT
what if i need to prestack it for a tank buster?
lusty grotto
so nothing has changed
patent musk
and i need to know exactly if it is at 100%
lusty grotto
SB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ip
lusty grotto
what if i need to prestack it for a tank buster?
like which?
lusty grotto
did you need to prestack it for a tank buster in DF?
fallow nova
it wasnt compared to the other spender
Big as in used a lot of rage at max value
patent musk
as vengeance i was tracking frailty for tanking azure strike on last boss of azure vault for example
lusty grotto
what about past exps?
lusty grotto
as vengeance i was tracking frailty for tanking azure strike on last boss of azu...
doesnt apply to us
since you can SR immune it
cinder nova
I think I only prestacked IP for M Rashok prog
fallow nova
I think there may come a point where Colossus cares a bit about how much IP you have left, since it isn't spamming it as hard as Thane is
lusty grotto
Leymore? SR immune it
and jump
which tank buster needed a prestacked IP?
M Rashok is fair
before the s4 nerfs
south zealot
what if i need to prestack it for a tank buster?
i cant think of any situation youve needed to do that
but fair point
jagged gust
did you need to prestack it for a tank buster in DF?
doti if you missed your jump is a maybe, but also if you didn't have an active trinket for the dht tree boss
lusty grotto
i mean you had time for it, the dot is what killed you on deios
and the adds casting
basically rot damage
jagged gust
Yeah deios feels like a bad example, if you took the dot you already goofed
cinder nova
Anytime I did Deios and forgot if Tyr or Fort buffed his adds
lusty grotto
if you need to prestack something for damage, which is not something common, in fact, more rare than anything outside of rank 1 keys, then an absorb tracker will do just fine
south zealot
bro i remember when the mega dungeonw as on ptr
patent musk
so far i have this, right side is ignore pain, left side is shield block
south zealot
nomer was just saying how fucking possible that dot was
lusty grotto
the only reason 98% of the people ask for an IP tracker here__ is always the same__
its because they think they shouldnt press IP when its "capped"
warm plinth
Good morning
patent musk
i like having my spam defenses in the middle, i use spikes/calcified spikes the same way as dh
south zealot
as long as you know that your ip tracker should not effect your gameplay at all, go for it
you still press ip even if its capped
you dont press ip just because it fell off
lusty grotto
^
jagged gust
Good morning
8 hours til release, go get some more rest
warm plinth
I'm at work sir
jagged gust
You don't have a hidey hole to nap in?
lusty grotto
i like having my spam defenses in the middle, i use spikes/calcified spikes the ...
this is not like prot warrior at all
warm plinth
And I won't be on tonight anyway. Got pool league
Well maybe. Depends when I play. It's the last night so we only play 9 ball
patent musk
this is not like prot warrior at all
i mean it also helps going into a pull if i know i have ignore pain up i guess, cause it falls off out of combat
lusty grotto
you cant spam SB as you do spikes (nor you shouldnt for spikes either)
warm plinth
Consider this though Ancine
lusty grotto
you cant spam anything on prot as you do frailty
warm plinth
I'm not pooling a full rage bar right
jagged gust
Well maybe. Depends when I play. It's the last night so we only play 9 ball
oh shit, dooter is a pool shark?
the lore continues
warm plinth
And any rage I do have is gonna be used on a shield block going into a pull
lusty grotto
the closest thing VDH has with prot is popping immo aura for magic mit as we do with SR
warm plinth
So even if you didn't have IP up, you probably aren't getting it up until you've hit some stuff
warm plinth
oh shit, dooter is a pool shark?
I'm okay lol
patent musk
why wouldnt u be saving rage cap before the pulls die so u are extra safe for the next pull?
dusky canopy
It’s fine to have a tracker but you definitely do not “track” IP
You just use the button to not over cap rage and you don’t think about it anymore than that
patent musk
is the start of the pull safe for prot?
dusky canopy
Yes
jagged gust
Yeah
warm plinth
Yep
lusty grotto
charge in, you got enough rage for SB, yes
warm plinth
It's not like vdh where you have to establish
patent musk
that explainhs why u guys are telline me u don't track stuff, as vengeance i am squishiest at the start
warm plinth
We're good to go
lusty grotto
SB is all you need
dusky canopy
Yeah we’re not like VDH whatsoever
lusty grotto
that explainhs why u guys are telline me u don't track stuff, as vengeance i am ...
nani?
dusky canopy
We are “brick shit houses” so to speak
south zealot
we are also our squishiest on pull but its not very polarizing
dusky canopy
You die when you let shield block fall off
jagged gust
Plus shield charge is giving SB so just doing your opener is guaranteed to set your defensives up
dusky canopy
You have demoshout rolling a few globals into the pull
warm plinth
Not to mention if there was ever a time you did feel worried, Def stance is a thing
Which is free what, 15% dr (or is it still 20 in prepatch idk)
south zealot
16
lusty grotto
im still just bewildered by "vdh is squishiest at the start" when bear exists
dusky canopy
Didn’t they get rid of the damage penalty for Prot?
south zealot
i think they mean vdh is at its squishiest
dusky canopy
You just lose bstance bonus
south zealot
correct
lusty grotto
i hope so choco
warm plinth
He wasn't saying it was the squishiest tank on pull
lusty grotto
but that literally applies to any tank
warm plinth
He was saying that it's at its squishiest on pull
lusty grotto
hold up we got a gif for bad vdhs
jagged gust
hehe
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
warm plinth
Which yeah it applies to any tank but it's not comparable amounts. Prot war may be squishier on pull but it's not vdh or bear squishy
south zealot
yooo whos tryna run some beta keys
hushed harbor
Huh, I did not realize spear is back on the menu, that's pretty sweet.
south zealot
i did a key with nextback yesterday actually
warm plinth
I'm super happy tbh. I always liked spear
hushed harbor
I liked spear back in SL.
warm plinth
Such a cool spell
lusty grotto
i did a key with nextback yesterday actually
lol really? howd that go
south zealot
we had a wipe bc one of the slam dudes was invisible until like 0.2 seconds was left on his cast lol
but other than that was good
hushed harbor
I like the very obvious "i just placed spear so FYI we aint moving till im done" art
lusty grotto
ok much better
merry sluice
This gif is so much ebtter now with context lol
jagged gust
I have zero testing with monk, how're they looking so far? Cuz I would not mind running fury off spec and letting our brm take a turn
south zealot
ive only played shadopan bc i heard master of harmony is just straight up worse
2x celestial brew sounds cool though
south zealot
ww seems to be pretty consistent on aoe
and really, REALLY good at st
not fantastic aoe but solid
lusty grotto
ST was always good (during beta), their AOE was just bad until the last round of buffs
which is a huge contrast to everything you know about WW
same with the haste change
austere oar
They're hard target capped that's why they suck
But I always had very SOLID st DPS with a m+ build
lusty grotto
well yeah
jagged gust
so they're green fury warriors
south zealot
i dont wanna even try conduit of celestials
lowkey hope shado pan is always bis for ww
lusty grotto
for the beta, it was literally the other way around
for both things
anyway at least now Priests wont fucking cry if you invite a WW
south zealot
okay actually reading conduit talents, it sounds kinda sick
tribal wharf
hes a monk, and its truly beautiful to see him spinning crane kick everything to death
chad tornado everywhere through the air like a boss
austere oar
How's guardian overall DMG right now in keys ?
lusty grotto
its good
jagged gust
sin fr?
dusky canopy
Spec pumps right now
tribal wharf
im tempted to go alliance again, cuz more easy access to randome mechagnomes that are all profession tables at once
austere oar
These content creators videos are killing me "yes but you absolutely need motw in your key groups so guardian is meta 
"
tribal wharf
dont have to go find some anvil, now i am the anvil
south zealot
i mean motw is clearly the best raid buff and its not close
dusky canopy
You definitely do not “absolutely need it”
south zealot
but saying you are required to have it is so disingenuous
austere oar
It's good