Are all tanks similar casts per minute in how much you should be doing or do some require more?
#protection
blazing karma
pallid quiver
Prot War is usually the highest APM tank, but that varies, and will even vary with the Hero talents you pick up in TWW
blazing karma
Sounds right up my alley. Still the most mobile tank?
pallid quiver
It's one of the most mobile, especially since you're likely to pick up Intervene in TWW, adding in another mobility option
Brew can do some neat stuff with transcendence, and VDH has this funny ability to double jump which lets you jank some things
austere oar
do dwarf and DID racial dispell the same dots ?
pallid quiver
They dispell pretty much everything iirc, from magic, to bleeds, and all, so yes
blazing karma
Does it really matter if you are horde or alliance anymore?
lusty grotto
no
only for certain queued content
cant queue with opposite faction for timewalking etc, but im sure that will get looked at in the exp
aside from that, it doesnt matter
tropic tangle
always pick based on looks / mog
lusty grotto
oh, right
getting a crafter on certain factions can be rougher
so keep that in mind
depending on the realm/server you roll on
tropic tangle
that can still be worked around with an alt, but yeah that can be kind of annoying
blazing karma
I was told to look into Illidan, is that a safe bet?
pallid quiver
Illidan's one of the highest pop servers, so it comes with high pop benefits and downsides
lusty grotto
also im transferring out of it
blazing karma
Why would you be transferring out of it?
lusty grotto
because servers dont matter, except for crafters i guess
and im sorted
also illidan has huge crafter mafias that overcharge
tribal wharf
you have high wait times on high pop
lusty grotto
im going back to my OG server which is low pop
and getting re-invited to my illidan guild
tribal wharf
if enough people try to access same realm at 1 time, sure
blazing karma
I thought with realms not really mattering anymore it wasn't an issue
tropic tangle
high pop will very likely have wait times on new expac launch
tribal wharf
i sort of like the runescape version of worlds best
you just, hop on the one of like 4 thats for that specific type of content
blazing karma
Is world pvp a thing anymore?
blazing karma
I would just be looking to MT for a mythic raiding guild, I assume most decent pop servers would have spots
tribal wharf
if you mean the wilderness in runescape that no longer happens organically
that was a good time though
blazing karma
Oh really? Wtf
blazing karma
Is there any incentive to be on the same server?
lusty grotto
its right there
tribal wharf
guilds are cross faction now too
blazing karma
Like would you give preference to someone on the same server?
tribal wharf
we arent in a time of war, and instead (hopefully brief) period of peace
runic grove
I think work orders matter apparently but that's about it? My warlocks on azjol-nerub and maybe I'd move him for work orders but that's really about it
lusty grotto
Like would you give preference to someone on the same server?
what do you mean?
blazing karma
As a guild leader
lusty grotto
if a guild leader gives preference based on a server
thats not a fucking guild you want to be in
cause their head aint right
blazing karma
Well for crafted purposes or something
lusty grotto
guild crafts work cross realm
just not crafting outside of guild
its just work orders
lusty grotto
you didnt play DF?
lusty grotto
holy christ that makes sense
AH is cross realm for the most part, only select things are realm/bg specific - its also completely cross faction
Guilds are cross realm and cross faction
Guild work orders (this is how you get BoP crafted items) are cross realm and cross faction
lusty grotto
Regular work orders, outside of the guild - are not cross realm, and you obviously need to ask in Trade chat for a crafter, trade chat continues to be faction specific
most mythic guild have set crafters, so it really does not matter if youre choosing server based on crafter availability, since guildmates can just craft them using Guild work orders which, again, are crossrealm
also
good luck getting into a mythic raiding guild as a tank, youre gonna have a bad time
hopefully all of that makes sense
copper tendon
are there any proffesions that you would recommend for m+ for prot warr in tww
austere oar
good luck getting into a mythic raiding guild as a tank, youre gonna have a bad ...
now would be the best time
fallow nova
Yeah, guilds will be looking to fill slots for folks that left once prog was done and didn't come back
austere oar
yeah, ppl might also be switching roles, freeing up tank spots
fallow nova
Also true
Point being, the month or so leading to launch is a major time of flux for guilds wanting to get their shit together for raiding
wind carbon
are there any proffesions that you would recommend for m+ for prot warr in tww
i'll be looking for blacksmithing and mining but idk if it's the best option
copper tendon
I take it the engineering combat rez is not easy to get off as tank
fallow nova
I'm a fan of smiting and mining just because I like being able to craft and upgrade some of my gear, but there's really not much dungeon benefit to be had from professions
It's not as combat-impacting of a thing as it used to be
copper tendon
i'll be looking for blacksmithing and mining but idk if it's the best option
Also what i was looking at
copper tendon
It's not as combat-impacting of a thing as it used to be
Okay 🙂
wind carbon
should I start my progression in dragon isles blacksmithing or isnt matter for the next expansion?
fallow nova
Sometimes I think it'd be neat if it was, but I think the benefit of freeing up that choice probably outweighs it out of the sheer volume of folks who'd rather just be able to do whatever prof they want
Nah don't worry about DF smithing
I've got BS and mining maxed, will be walking into TWW at level 1 skill on them just like y'all
fallow nova
That also means if anyone wants to take a different prof seriously, now is a great time to decide
wind carbon
What do you think about maining a prot warrior tank in the next expansion? I dont know about that, but it seems to be difficult to progress in the storyline being a tank. Is it hard or it doesnt matter if you are tank or dps to progress in the storyline
fallow nova
Leveling/world content as a tank is the BEST
wind carbon
I had been playing a lot of classes but didnt find my "main" class yet
fallow nova
Pull everything, kill everything, solo rares, it's great.
wind carbon
And iam finding myself with the prot warrior
Okay, thank you man you release me from a lot of questions
blazing karma
good luck getting into a mythic raiding guild as a tank, youre gonna have a bad ...
I assume if I have no experience on last expansion and only Cata, I have an uphill battle?
fallow nova
Prot is in a good spot.
fallow nova
I assume if I have no experience on last expansion and only Cata, I have an uphi...
Maybe, but there are a wealth of resources out there to get you on your feet and ready
And tanking isn't horribly difficult the vast majority of the time
lusty grotto
remember raids are locked to only two tanks
and most guilds already have their tank spots filled
i suggest raider.io or warcralft logs to look for guilds, theres 2 discords as well
aim low, starting mythic, or you will very likel not have much success
when it comes to prot warrior gameplay, you might have a lot of stuff to learn
maiden forge
Yeah, it's a high apm tank
blazing karma
I'm a pumper lol
Are healing spots the easiest to get for mythic raiding
I've seen a lot of negative about retail healing in that is mostly a CD simulator and it's about healer DPS, but I'd be willing to play it to sneak into a tank spot
lusty grotto
but tl;dr:
Prio is Shield Slam > Thunderclap > Execute > Revenge
your generators are big damage, so they are higher prio. Only use Revenge when on the opener and to fish for SS or TC procs
Keep Shield Block up all the time, even when not tanking since it buffs your SS damage
Use Ignore Pain only over 70 rage, as a rage dump. It wont matter if its already up, you just use it. Its off-gcd so you should be using it all the time to cycle rage. Always keep 30 rage up for SB
blazing karma
Or get the experience of raiding and have an easier spot to get in as a tank
lusty grotto
both healer and dps spots are easier than tank spots yes
lusty grotto
I've seen a lot of negative about retail healing in that is mostly a CD simulato...
this aint accurate
vivid orchid
tanks tend to get recruited internally, except on the highest possible end
blazing karma
but tl;dr:
Prio is Shield Slam > Thunderclap > Execute > Revenge
your generato...
That doesn't seem that difficult or that much diff than wotlk/cata
lusty grotto
no mythic guild cares that much about healer dps
maiden forge
That doesn't seem that difficult or that much diff than wotlk/cata
It's very high apm for tank
lusty grotto
most classes are picked to fit the raid buff matrix anyway
we're the battle shout pick
blazing karma
Is it pretty rare to go straight to mythic and not do heroic?
vivid orchid
prot warrior gained a large amount of apm starting around mop and increasing until the modern version (shield barrier --> ignore pain)
maiden forge
Yes
lusty grotto
people won't really look at you if you dont have some sort of logs
pallid quiver
To get into a guild doing mythic, you generally need to trial, first, unless you know a guy
blazing karma
Ah so maybe I should just focus on heroic
lusty grotto
and heroic is easy logging
pallid quiver
And you get trials from ^^^
blazing karma
Maybe I can leverage my cata connections
lusty grotto
like Luerce said, the only way you skip heroic is if you know someone
maiden forge
Cata really is different from retail
blazing karma
I'm like high 90s parsing for cata
lusty grotto
i highly recommend you dont go straight to mythic
maiden forge
Like, completely different
vivid orchid
your cata parses are childs play comparatively
lusty grotto
^
blazing karma
Yeah seems like the play is do heroic
lusty grotto
classic parses are a joke
pallid quiver
Cata's also relatively solved, so much of the leg work is done
maiden forge
Yeah, retail damage profiles are much more complex than classic ones
blazing karma
Yeah I've heard that retail is more complex and raids are way way harder
pallid quiver
I think the first xpac that would hit classic that would not be close to solved would be WoD by virtue of people hating that xpac by and large so they just didn't think about it, but that's think in "I'm pretty sure it is solved, but if it wasn't I wouldn't raise an eyebrow"
vivid orchid
so heroic ragnaros was like, the first inkling of what started to become what modern wow is
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
blazing karma
Isn't hlk harder than rag?
pallid quiver
Yeah I've heard that retail is more complex and raids are way way harder
Singular abilities can have descriptions longer than the entire mechanics list for most bosses in Wrath; Cata is an attempt at bridging the gap, and MoP is where modern raid design started probably
lusty grotto
its comparable, but not to a retail player
blazing karma
I see
pallid quiver
Isn't hlk harder than rag?
Probably, but not due to mechanics. More due to just how tight numbers often were
lusty grotto
H Rag is closer
blazing karma
I probably would get shit on by mythic raids lol
vivid orchid
yes you would if you dont expect it
blazing karma
So the play is good good parses in heroic then find a guild
pallid quiver
If you find much difficulty in classic mechs at all, you'd get dumpstered in M raid
lusty grotto
baby steps
jagged pier
Mythic raids are clear by like the top .1% of players in retail
lusty grotto
there's a difficulty curve for everything
maiden forge
Yeah, take baby steps homie
lusty grotto
do not skip any step
jagged pier
Hc cata raid is a far high propertion
maiden forge
Lfr is meh tbh 
lusty grotto
but it will help to do them anyway
hardy snow
So the play is good good parses in heroic then find a guild
it may be easier to find a guild as dps, and then hop in tank spot when needed
vivid orchid
for no paricular reason the other day i did lfr SoD, and even that has more going on than cata
hardy snow
Lfr used to be great in mop u needed to do mechanics
what you mean, I still wipe on lfr rasza cause people fall off in p1 
lusty grotto
LOL
jagged pier
what you mean, I still wipe on lfr rasza cause people fall off in p1 <:yep:70342...
Lul
I think ive done lfr maybe once this expansion
Because im not wasting my time with it thanks
lusty grotto
there are people that farm it for the mount
vivid orchid
oh yea bosses like that are always something special in lfr
pallid quiver
I mostly did LFR in S4 for casual bullions
lusty grotto
that reminds me
blazing karma
Seems like everyone hates LFR
lusty grotto
i should probably get my catch up bullions
pallid quiver
since it was higher success rate than doing raids proper
blazing karma
A lot of retail haters say it's horrible
pallid quiver
LFR is filled with a lot of people who expect to get carried and literally don't play the game
vivid orchid
ive had lfr raids where as a tank im top or often near top dps
lusty grotto
regardless of what they say, they give you a general idea of mechanics
fallow nova
LFR isn't the worst thing in the world, but there are a lot of... less competent people that queue for it
pallid quiver
And then after the not playing people are people who literally don't want to think at all
fallow nova
It's still worth if you only have limited time to play and want to see a couple bosses.
jagged pier
Its good to logs that should you know how to deal with mechanics
austere oar
its nice to get over tank anxiety for beginner tanks
pallid quiver
So that makes it a bad time often
vivid orchid
well we may not see a bunch of them this time lol - solo mode is coming
fallow nova
That's just for the final boss
vivid orchid
hm
pallid quiver
You'll still see the people who just flat want to be carried even if it was the whole raid
fallow nova
It doesn't let them do any other encounter besides queen whatshername
blazing karma
The other thing I've heard is that there isn't that much incentive to raid in retail cause you can get the gear easier ways?
vivid orchid
best gear is mythic raid by the numbers
blazing karma
And like raids aren't really super rewarding
pallid quiver
The other thing I've heard is that there isn't that much incentive to raid in re...
exact opposite; raid is definitely gonna be the easiest way to get geared next xpac
fallow nova
Not necessarily true, and DEFINITELY not true if you're talking about mythic gear
pallid quiver
specifically, mythic raid, even
fallow nova
Yep
jagged pier
exact opposite; raid is definitely gonna be the easiest way to get geared next x...
Delves probably
blazing karma
Gotcha I feel like classic has so much anti retail propaganda
pallid quiver
The most farmable gear has been M+
blazing karma
I should have known it means it's probably good
pallid quiver
Delves probably
aren't delves capped below Mythic tier or not?
vivid orchid
farming delve+8 hands you champion gear for "free" and heroic vaults
fallow nova
If you're someone who taps out at hero track gear then the argument could probably be made that spamming m+ will get you more, but that's an easy way to burn out imo
pallid quiver
I would expect them to be, but I could be completely wrong
jagged pier
Yer but they will be quick gearing at start maybe
And hes not doing mythic
Not right away
hardy snow
A lot of retail haters say it's horrible
it's horrible if you are raiding hc/mythic and you expect same performance from folks in lfr, that you get from your guild raids
hardy snow
but if you know what you're signing for, its not that bad
fallow nova
I think delves might get you one hero track piece per week, plus one in your vault, if I recall correctly
fallow nova
I haven't touched mythic raiding in forever
vivid orchid
the roster boss sucks big ones
fallow nova
Props to anyone who can fit that into job + house + family, but it ain't me lol
tropic tangle
last time I played in a guild raiding at what would have been a mythic level was when cata was out the first time
hardy snow
Props to anyone who can fit that into job + house + family, but it ain't me lol
its not that hard, you have to keep your schedule
fallow nova
Yeah, that's the challenge on my end. My schedule changes a lot.
pallid quiver
I can't be bothered to trial and deal with roster bosses and the like, especially since I'm not usually super down on raid
I can sit down for like a Heroic raid and enjoy myself and be cool
The only real urge I have to run mythic would be to get gear to try and parse better
fallow nova
I can a few times, bit progging bosses is miserable
blazing karma
I can't be assed to spend time on this game like that
How much time does mythic need?
pallid quiver
but i really can't be assed to run mythic raid with all of its pre-reqs just to get something that gatekeeps me from what I really want to do
fallow nova
I pugged N amirdrassil easily enough and then had to do H over several different pugs
pallid quiver
How much time does mythic need?
depends on the raid and boss tuning
and your group
tropic tangle
yeah, pugging H is always an interesting experience early on
pallid quiver
Some guilds I know literally never even clear mythic
So if you mean time to clear, non-defined in that regard, since they never clear
It usually takes the race to world first people the whole week it first opens, sometimes the second week.
tropic tangle
yeah, I'd say it's fine to have the goal to jump into end game, but there's a bit of reality if you're coming from classic
blazing karma
Is it more for mythic?
vivid orchid
issue with heroic is it eventually gets way too easy
pallid quiver
Like I said 6 hours a week on cata
Most mythic raiders, with the solved nature of cata, have probably clapped heroic in like 3 hours I'd guess, but I haven't kept track of how prog's been on Cata Classic
And you're also dealing with mechanics that have already been seen before and had guides before
A lot of mythic raid stuff isn't even seen in testing, so it doesn't even necessarily work if you hit it early enough
blazing karma
I assume like strats and stuff don't take that long to figure out and circulate?
pallid quiver
Well, strats take a hot minute to develop sometimes, because you have to remember that's there's a lot of mechs in M raid that if you fuck up
everyone dies
Not you, everyone
blazing karma
Is there a lot of variety in strats in an expac launch for the first time?
tropic tangle
I assume like strats and stuff don't take that long to figure out and circulate?
they don't, but uh, you're also talking like 12 years of iterative encounter design
pallid quiver
It's also an indefinite increase in time for strats to develop from "literally developed before the raid is even out"
And then there's learning the execution on top of that
blazing karma
Gotcha so even heroic raiding should be challenging for a while
pallid quiver
The basic idea of doing mechs is just baseline at this point and expected
If you find raiding in Cata classic challenging, then most likely
vivid orchid
sometimes you get heroic raids like sepulchure where some bosses are literally like mythic
blazing karma
Raiding in Cata isn't really hard so far
pallid quiver
People learn at different rates and all ,and I have zero context on your skill, knowledge base, and learning rate
blazing karma
But haven't done rag ever
vivid orchid
rag and spine are probably the 2 most intense overall
tropic tangle
great example, Heroic Rag from Cata was a fairly unique encounter at the time, but at this point you can find similar singular mechanics in very early bosses
pallid quiver
The ultimate reality is you're going to be gatekept into Heroic at best no matter your skill level, since the roster boss is the biggest challenge of M raid by far
tropic tangle
The whole 'firefighting' aspect of that fight is basically used on larodar
blazing karma
The ultimate reality is you're going to be gatekept into Heroic at best no matte...
Roster boss is still an issue in retail?
tropic tangle
which is like the 4th or 5th boss you'd hit in Amirdrassil
pallid quiver
Roster boss is the issue in retail
vivid orchid
the problem with mythic is the fixed 20 man requirement on the oldschool lockout system
opposed to the modern lock
and flex
blazing karma
I assume that is more of a classic issue with all the content between sod/Cata/wotlk and competing with retail
pallid quiver
You need to find 19 other people who are willing to dedicate the time to learning the dance for each boss in the raid, stick through it all, be wanting to even do mythic, and then have them be capable enough to actually do the raid
Not particularly, since most people who do M raid and the like will focus on that until it's at least on farm, since a very small amount of the playerbase even enters Mythic raid
blazing karma
Like classic roster boss is mainly "sod phase 4 out, then 3 people leave" TWW prepatch, TWW launch etc
pallid quiver
let alone has reasonable shots of clearing it
vivid orchid
not likeing cata is just a continuation from 12 years ago lol
blazing karma
Yeah but retail has way more players
blazing karma
I just assumed roster issues weren't that bad
pallid quiver
You also have to remember that a lot of players are casual
vivid orchid
theres honestly quite a few people who are effectively gated out of mythic by the roster boss
pallid quiver
There's a non-zero amount whose highest difficult content is LFR
There's more dedicated casuals in retail than classic by a long shot, just due to the nature of the content
tropic tangle
There's a non-zero amount whose highest difficult content is LFR
this and the stats on M+ always kinda blow my mind
jagged pier
Yeah but retail has way more players
It has more players, but if they want to do the content u want is another story, majority of retail players literally just mount and tmog farm
They dont really do endgame content
pallid quiver
Pet farming, too, is decently popular
jagged pier
Like majority of players wont even go into m+
blazing karma
Yeah that seems the opposite of cata
I assume almost everyone raids in cata
At least 80-90%
pallid quiver
Almost everyone who does classic goes for the end game or gameplay, usually, so the rates are skewed
jagged pier
Cause theres nothing else to do
vivid orchid
cata was the epitome of raid or die
jagged pier
No thats wod
pallid quiver
why do classic just the farm mounts or whatever
can do that the same on retail
blazing karma
Yeah there really isn't much to do besides raids
vivid orchid
i mean wod too, but it wasnt the first
jagged pier
Nah u guys are looking at cata from a modern lense
Tmog came in, in cata
That was the endgame
At the time
pallid quiver
^^^^
jagged pier
It wasnt raid or die
vivid orchid
eh, ive absolutely read discussion all around that time about raid or die
pallid quiver
can confirm people lost their mind at trying to find stuff to tmog in cata time
blazing karma
Yeah there is definitely tmog stuff happening it's just that not most people are doing it in classic if I were to guess
pallid quiver
There had yet to be dedicated blogs and the like for all the junk to collect
blazing karma
Versus it seems to be that is the sentiment with retail
tropic tangle
From a gear perspective, you still had to raid. Wasn't Cata on the heels of the valor system in Wrath and I think they tamped this back down?
vivid orchid
it was yea
pallid quiver
But it was definitely the casual land, especially since Cata was a good point where numerous amounts of old content were being able to be easily solo farmed
tropic tangle
I know you could just farm heroic dungeons in Wrath for valor, and I think you could buy tier with it
still needed upgrade tokens for ilvl or whatever
lusty grotto
gear wasnt upgradeable
pallid quiver
From a gear perspective, you still had to raid. Wasn't Cata on the heels of the ...
Like, if you wanted to just boil it down to maxing gear, then it was raid or die until like, BFA or something
but most people don't get maxed gear
They do other things instead
tropic tangle
gear wasnt upgradeable
thought you would upgrade with like sanctification marks from ICC
lusty grotto
thats the very last tier lol
tropic tangle
true, yeah
tropic tangle
I was mostly thinking of the transition from Wrath to Cata
tropic tangle
I do remember that
lusty grotto
comparatively, they arent any fucking harder than what we have today
vivid orchid
ah yea the rage on heroics man..
tropic tangle
always nice to outgear them once you got some raid gear
just knock em out in a guild group real fast
pallid quiver
but nim, they were tons harder because people's pc's would shut down trying to load everything in the distance in wind land
edgy bone
Is anyone here good with ElvUI? I play with a disc priest and I'm struggling with a good way to display his absorb shields on my health bar
lusty grotto
ive used elvui for a long time
edgy bone
edgy bone
what is cell
lusty grotto
the raid frames addon every healer is using now
edgy bone
But im a tank
pallid quiver
the raid frames addon every healer is using now
i still just use base elvui when i heal smh
edgy bone
Cuz I wanna know when I have ahuge 2mil shield from my disc
vivid orchid
a weakaura would suffice, if neccessary
edgy bone
I said I play with a disc priest
pallid quiver
he said with, nim
lusty grotto
which one is it
edgy bone
My bad I worded it confusing
pallid quiver
edgy bone
I play alongside a disc priest frequently
lusty grotto
i see
vivid orchid
tbh tho the only thing from a disc i personally care about knowing is pain sup
edgy bone
I want to know when he puts a monstrous 2mil shield on me, so I don't waste my shield wall and DRs
pallid quiver
warrior brains be literate challenge continues to be impossible
vivid orchid
you cant waste shield block vs a healer
pallid quiver
we all know that pain, nim
pallid quiver
I want to know when he puts a monstrous 2mil shield on me, so I don't waste my s...
SB should have 100% relevant uptime
And completely unrelated to anything any healer does
edgy bone
Shield wall* my bad
lusty grotto
yeah please tell me i misunderstood that one
whew
i just track healer cds
with a WA
and a sound
vivid orchid
again - the large shields dont really matter so much as pain sup does
lusty grotto
i assume you mean Pain sub
pallid quiver
At any rate, if you play with them often, you can just ask them to mention when they external you, or have like a WA/addon for it
lusty grotto
cause yeah pw:shield means jack shit
pallid quiver
and absorb shields will just add to you taking less while mitigating properly
edgy bone
But if he blows externals (Not pain sup) to put HUGE shields on ev eryone
I wanna know when I have a 2mil hp shield on me
vivid orchid
thats for everyone else, not you
edgy bone
and I wanna know how fast it's draining, and how much is left
vivid orchid
tanks dont need that kind of healing like the rest of the group does
lusty grotto
the only thing you need to track is pain sup
so track just pain sub
youre doing yourself a diservice by tracking these shields that do nothing for us
and honestly most of us cant help you because we dont track em at all
edgy bone
youre doing yourself a diservice by tracking these shields that do nothing for u...
Amen, disc priests are stupid and trash ehealers im gonna find a new friend ot play with
ty
lusty grotto
full absorbs get the brunt of unmitigated damage
they are literally
first in line for a damage check
so yes its not worht tracking
that doesnt mean not play with them, stop being obtuse
edgy bone
that doesnt mean not play with them, stop being obtuse
ok well he is yelling at me saying i need to track his absorb shields
vivid orchid
then he is a fool
edgy bone
they are idiots
he said you are stupid for thinking that tank DRs are more important than power word shield
fallow nova
Your healer should, at best, be coordinating with you on defensive by tracking you and letting you use SW, then using externals
vivid orchid
LOL
lusty grotto
he said you are stupid for thinking that tank DRs are more important than power ...
tell him to come in here
fallow nova
he said you are stupid for thinking that tank DRs are more important than power ...
This has to be trolling lmao
lusty grotto
if he doesnt know the order that shit gets taken out of when you receive damage, he needs to be schooled at it
pallid quiver
he said you are stupid for thinking that tank DRs are more important than power ...
imma screen shot this for the wall
river moth
IM HERE
edgy bone
^ That's the disc priest @strong forum
lusty grotto
welcome idiot
river moth
Bro what are you guys talking about
fallow nova
Oh, be nice nim
river moth
Listen
strong forum
but i wanted to make fun of a 150k absorb being better than damage reduction
river moth
First of all this is not so much for a tank
lusty grotto
damage comes in, order: full absorbs > % mit or DR (armor/wall/sr/demo) > parry/dodge/block > ip > partial absorbs
river moth
but a party needs to know when they have a mil shield on em so they don't waste a defensive
yeah
river moth
but
lusty grotto
we told Ticon to only track pain sup
river moth
the tank needs to know too if he has a shield
strong forum
tank doesnt give a fuck about it
river moth
he will
lusty grotto
the tank needs to know too if he has a shield
no he doesnt
river moth
in war within
strong forum
lusty grotto
nope
river moth
when he is getting one tapped
lusty grotto
still wrong
pallid quiver
yeah, tanks can't even tank world mobs, y'know
strong forum
idk shit about fuck in tww
lusty grotto
well thats on him
strong forum
maybe, but i doubt it
maiden forge
Prot won't be getting one tapped
fallow nova
🍿🍿🍿
river moth
2 tapped*
strong forum
no one gets 2 tapped
maiden forge
river moth
ok bro
river moth
missing the point
lusty grotto
bro a 2 tap with a shield is still a 2 tap
if hes getting 2 tapped
thats not on you
thats on him
edgy bone
I dont want to waste shield wall if I have a 2mil HP absorb shield, why shouldnt I track it?
fallow nova
You're making the wrong point, it's not being missed
lusty grotto
cause hes not playing correctly
river moth
is it not their job to track the shieldss?
lusty grotto
2 mil is fucking nothing in TWW
river moth
2 mil now lil bro
lusty grotto
????
edgy bone
cause hes not playing correctly
i am a good tank
strong forum
I dont want to waste shield wall if I have a 2mil HP absorb shield, why shouldnt...
you track rapture
but not pws
edgy bone
the disc priest is peak io of 2500, Ive been 3600
lusty grotto
2500 LOL
river moth
I am saying be able to tell how big the shield is on you
lusty grotto
your shield
vivid orchid
you get 2500 farting around in 9s
river moth
if you have a 2 mil bubble for 15 secs no reason to waste anything
lusty grotto
it will get eaten away anyway
river moth
Ok
strong forum
depends on the circumstance
fallow nova
That 2mil bubble isn't going to help for long at all
pallid quiver
holy shit it's been a while since i've seen a healer main char complex this hard in a while
fallow nova
So no, it's not enough to offset the use of shield wall
river moth
This is a circus
strong forum
like you can absolutely track it
river moth
His whole health bar in a shield is not worth
lusty grotto
are you in netherlight
river moth
Huh
strong forum
tanks have north of 10mil hp in TWW at max ilvl
lusty grotto
priest discord
strong forum
either way
edgy bone
Do you think his whole health bar will be 2mil?
Right now my HP bar is 2.2mil at 515iLvl
strong forum
yes a 2mil shield does prove to be beneficial
but you rarely have that on your tank
you dont pop rapture for the tank
*almost never
atleast
river moth
ok
edgy bone
Let's assume he can give me a 10mil HP shield in TWW
river moth
how about the party
edgy bone
Why would I NOT want to be aware of that
river moth
do they need to know?
maiden forge
Assume you will get no help from anyone, you're a tank, deal with it
strong forum
if you popped rapture, yes you let them know you did
lusty grotto
strong forum
or well, people are tracking rapture
or should track it
cuz its the same as any other raid CD
you plan your defensives around it
fervent thorn
Why would I NOT want to be aware of that
obviously because then prot warrior would seem good and then will be nerfed next patch
pallid quiver
all of this is wild to me, because people can just use their words and they just refuse to
strong forum
they play around their own
lusty grotto
yeah mentioned that
lusty grotto
we also mentioned that
strong forum
and overwhelmingly often, does the tank in fact, not get raptured when the group is taking damage
or take big amounts of damage himself
when the group also gets shit on
its always tank OR group
almost never both
river moth
ok
pallid quiver
unless the tank fucks up
river moth
forget the tank guys
strong forum
and just to repeat, yes you CAN track it as tank
river moth
the party
strong forum
the party should track it 100%
edgy bone
I went to the disc priest channel and asked -and they said this guy is a known troll and spread misinformation
strong forum
who
river moth
Omg
maiden forge
Lol
edgy bone
the Stef guy
river moth
He is clowning
strong forum
make it up between yourselves
lusty grotto
im always serious
edgy bone
just kick him
strong forum
i wanted to go to bed 10min ago
edgy bone
stef is a troll just perm ban him
river moth
omg
strong forum
before i yell at someone
lusty grotto
bro is this just a random 2500 priest you grabbed in party finder?
cause it feels that way
edgy bone
bro is this just a random 2500 priest you grabbed in party finder?
yeah he was screaming at me because i wasn't tracking his shield
andi. used shield wall when he had a "big 2mil shield" on me
river moth
Ok
lusty grotto
well shit
maiden forge
Lol
lusty grotto
i thought he was in your static group or something
shy gale
river moth
I am
edgy bone
i thought he was going to be in my static grou
river moth
He is trolling
strong forum
idc who is trolling or not
maiden forge
lusty grotto
lmao
river moth
Ok
edgy bone
strong forum
im tilted enough as is
river moth
Later guys
lusty grotto
im tilted enough as is
tilt dn
pallid quiver
I am so sorry you had to exist in this Nome,
But these past 15 mins or whatever were hilarious to just sit and watch
vivid orchid
lusty grotto
seriously nome i could have handled it
maiden forge
I'm just so confused
lusty grotto
well tbf, there was nothing going on
lusty grotto
LOL
vivid orchid
thanks max
strong forum
just ignore it
lusty grotto
literally pumping and dumping
pallid quiver
Is it easier to do BIG FAT DAM on? I haven't touched the other tanks too much
strong forum
and let the numbers speak
pallid quiver
because if so, i wager that's what it's coming from
pallid quiver
since it's not very hard to press thunder blast
strong forum
pwar does however perform better now
on add cleave
than before
so we will look better in raids than in DF
because we have actual aoe burst
which we dont have rn
pallid quiver
You mean thunder clap doesn't give them clap? How could that beeeeeeeeeee
pallid quiver
i wouldn't either, but i can pray
strong forum
but yeah itll all come down to dmg profiles
and our aoe pattern will be alot better with hero talents
than currently
but people claiming that our dmg is BIG FAT
is just pure copium
and a mere skill issue on other parts
strong forum
theres even a super secret competitor
nobody has ranked well
its the pure revenge spam colossus
strong forum
which does literally 50% more aoe damage than thane
but either way
i go bedge
and untilt
pallid quiver
Enjoy slep
proud heart
Guys a question regarding the newer buffs. Ok so i mainly play furry but wanted to dip into prot until the expansion launches. I havent invited any prot to any of my keys after the buffs cause they just couldnt held aggro from anything
They should be all better now right? like if youre geared enough you shouldt worry about aggro?
pallid quiver
uhhhhhh
if fury's still doing some of the funny burst it does with OF, you might want to wait a sec is about it
I'm assuming that's been tapped down a bit since I last saw it in beta, but there was not much any tank could do to keep aggro since so much power was put into that one button
cerulean tusk
uhhhhhh
if fury's still doing some of the funny burst it does with OF, you migh...
OF is weak and should be buffed, spread the word. I said nothing.
proud heart
i mean if i go in as fury before he sits down and starts doing damage its on me, usually 5-7 seconds i have to wait for every pull
but with warrior tanks before the buff it just wouldnt matter, i would wait 10-15 seconds just to see if i was able to snatch aggro and effectibly i became the tank
but they got heaps of buff since that time
mellow bridge
?
lusty grotto
Guys a question regarding the newer buffs. Ok so i mainly play furry but wanted...
the typo lol
pallid quiver
^^^
mellow bridge
that has nothing to do with any buffs being required or w/e
lusty grotto
fucking funny "furry"
pallid quiver
Even before the DPS buffs
proud heart
looool
mellow bridge
if youre unloading your fury burst in the first few globals and getting aggro, that's on you
proud heart
pallid quiver
some people refuse to press their buttons
And then they yell about aggro control or some shit
lusty grotto
keep in mind this is TEN SECONDS into a pull
proud heart
i wish i recorded the run
proud heart
i had a fucking stopwatch on my screen before every pull
mellow bridge
(or a very undergeared tank)
mellow bridge
i had a fucking stopwatch on my screen before every pull
🤨
proud heart
the in game stopwatch
pallid quiver
i had a fucking stopwatch on my screen before every pull
based
proud heart
i would click play and wait 10 seconds
lusty grotto
you literally just pop shit after a second of it being grouped up
lusty grotto
if the tank is struggling to get straggler, thats no bueno
proud heart
i was afraid to try out prot because of the bad experiences i had in keys with them
but if its perfectly doable with better play ill give it a try
lusty grotto
thats a weird generalization
proud heart
it only happened with prot
proud heart
i started playing my warr last week so id say about 10-12
proud heart
if i had made a generalization i wouldnt be asking the question, it would have been a given for me
it made me doubt and question it itself
hence i came here to ask if aggro was an issue or skill issue
lusty grotto
do you have a log?
proud heart
we didnt finish any of the keys
lusty grotto
this is a generalization btw
lusty grotto
more often than not they wont if they arent timed
but maybe we can see the tank in action on other keys
and let you know for sure if its a skill issue or not
fallow nova
Were the bad experiences playing pwar, or healing one? Because there are some absolutely awful pwars out in pugland
lusty grotto
there are awful everybodies in pugland
fallow nova
Big true
But when I'm healing a pwar and have to remind them to use IP, it's a bad time.
lusty grotto
i understand, but thats just because you know how to play it
proud heart
ill brbdoing a key
austere oar
Or to not heal
boreal heath
if any tank loses aggro 10s into a pull
Ok but some pulls take 10s just to gather and like 3-5 more seconds to group up fully. If someone pops everything right after the gather they're gonna rip
lusty grotto
yes thats why i mentioned stragglers
boreal heath
Oh thought u meant one or two mobs, instead of waiting for every pack to group up
lusty grotto
both can be true
sand rapids
Season 4 I had some issues with threat, thunder clap is damage capped at 5 targets, so any pack pulled with more than 5, you started to see the odd mob get threat dropped
And every dps is at their most powerful at the end of an expac (usually) or when playing with meta dps
So it's more about managing some shield slams on priority targets that you know your dps are focusing
lusty grotto
when you say season 4
you mean prepatch season 4
aka post season
yes threat was an issue then
until last week
anyway thats now whats being discussed
boreal heath
Fair just find the first scenario is more recoverable but the second in like when melee start to just start running all over the place and it just spirals out of control you have to run and get the stray mobs and that means you end up not getting as much damage on the current ones and risk losing aggro there
boreal heath
Oh mb, might've misunderstood you
lusty grotto
also why i commented on timeframe
cause its very easy to say this:
popping cds while gathering up is something all of us know too well
and its not an x season specific problem
its just dumb as fuck dps
proud heart
ok so let set up the stage
proud heart
ok let me see if they appear on raider.io even if it wasnt finished
its form EU it was something like ieatpandas
i blocked him after must be somewhere on my ui
sand rapids
It's generally a skill issue and not a prot warr issue. I've had too many people to count tell me about prot warriors that die really quick and can't keep aggro, and play with me and are super confused as to why I'm doing fine
lusty grotto
likely
but also
if they want to know for sure, we need to see at the tank's runs
saying 10s, could mean anything
so yeah
the top reason why someone loses agro is always ilvl
specifically weapon ilvl
if they are outgeared, there's no fucking way in hell they will keep agro, it doesnt matter how well they play
then its skill
proud heart
man i kinda feel bad to shame him with full name and server name
i can give you mine
lusty grotto
just DM me
proud heart
Garrussy-Draenor
lusty grotto
ill anonymise it
is that them?
guy doesnt even have gholak
brother
you are 527
hes 515
proud heart
my mage is 527, think my warr at that time as 510
lusty grotto
didnt you say you started last week
proud heart
ye
lusty grotto
how come you have runs 15 weeks ago
proud heart
thats my mage forsure
are you looking at my warr?
i boosted him last week
Garrussy-draenor
lusty grotto
ok much better
lets see their logs
still no gholak on the tank, which is huge threat
proud heart
are you watching the depleted nokhud or just his profile?
lusty grotto
theres no log for that nok
proud heart
im assuming then that overpressing ignore pain is a mistake
and you should weave revenge for aggro right?
proud heart
okok i see
proud heart
ill give it a try, my protspec is pretty geared have been wanting to try it out
lusty grotto
yeah bro
this guy
doesnt know what hes doing
LMAO
this is a gem of a log holy shit
thank god i Anonymized it
lusty grotto
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
proud heart
ok now i see that i could have waited a minute and still die
its not a prot spec issue but a skill issue
lusty grotto
why the fuck is he using whirlwind
loolllll
and 24.5 cpm on it to boot
hoooly
for any lurkers, this is pinned
proud heart
is going double on use a good idea? got myth rageheart and enduring deadplate
lusty grotto
rageheart is garbo (moreso in this point in time and key level)
its not a bad idea for double on use
seeing as we're almost at TWW release
you want leveling trinkets
manic grief, beacon, and all totem are very good for leveling
all totem is also good for general tanking
so is dreadplate, but not for leveling
fallow nova
This shit drives me almost as insane as ignoring IP lol
Literally "WW hit 360, other buttons suck"
lusty grotto
is it garbo?
its not as good as others
honestly if those are the 2 you have, just use them
youll be fine
a trinket wont make or break your tanking
well, aside from boon and no blocks during cast shenanigans
proud heart
i looted cholak this week though
lusty grotto
do you mean gholak
thats our bis weapon if so
and our 1st bullion buy
honestly just wear your highest ilvl
see pins
the ilvl part is very important
formal meadow
Guys quick question, I had the hidden legion appearance unlocked on one char including one of the tints (30 dungeons) now on another char I can’t seem to choose the tint i unlocked and the hidden appearance doesn’t show up on the new char but does on the old one
What should I do?
lusty grotto
i trust youre checking under legion artifacts?
lusty grotto
no idea, my 2nd BDk could pick mage tower appearances no prob
formal meadow
Weird
lusty grotto
tints included
plush path
it will still be an increase from nightborne aint it
proud heart
well jumped into a 12 uldaman with 517 ilvl and fully gemmed for fury
felt pretty good never had aggro problems unless the stupid frost mage that did 300k overall was pulling for me
pallid quiver
it will still be an increase from nightborne aint it
It's not going to be a noticeable increase, but it would likely be technically an increase
sand rapids
Bruh
urban portal
Who is this guy
austere oar
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
He's playing off meta
proud heart
a tank i got on a key, made me come into discord and ask if prot has aggro problems or if its skill issue
south zealot
prot has the least agro problems rn bc they do the most damage
proud heart
yeah wanted to ask about that
lusty grotto
INSANELY too much
proud heart
because my ignore pain bar never almost went down
lusty grotto
SS > TC > revenge, i told you this earlier
proud heart
and im sitting full rage
south zealot
use ignore pain anyways
lusty grotto
your ignore pain bar doesnt matter
south zealot
ignore your tracksr
proud heart
okok
south zealot
you use ignore pain to spend rage regardless of if its completely capped or not
proud heart
basically those extra revenges come from that situration that happened a lot
south zealot
yeah just takes practice
lusty grotto
well it shouldnt
thorny stone
because my ignore pain bar never almost went down
Proc the tier set
proud heart
roger
vivid orchid
both the current s4 tier and mountain thane (and lesser, colossus) require ip presses to cycle cooldowns/get damage
turbid shuttle
to get in to the "why" a little: revenge spends less rage per press AND is on gcd. your goal is to maximize rage consumption, which requires you to 1) maximize rage generation, and 2) minimize rage overcapping. this maximizes your cooldown refresh via anger management. by pressing revenge instead of ip, even when capped, you feel like you're doing more damage, but the side effect of doing this is you press ss and tc less, which means you generate less rage. which means you consume less rage.
south zealot
currently youre basically spamming ip in aoe
proud heart
still i dont have the patience to tank honestly, first key tanking and i hovered the alt f4 combo the whole key. People pulling for you when the pack is 10% hp and its bolstering week, trying to kite everything around because melee wants to stack with you and get hit with frontals
tanks do have a lot of patience to deal with that kind of stuff
south zealot
to get in to the "why" a little: revenge spends less rage per press AND is on gc...
not only are you generating less rage by not using ss or tc, youre not activating your tier set as often as possible, less shield walls, less demo shouts
proud heart
yeah got my ignore pain and ss macroed like the pins suggest
lusty grotto
those arent for beginners
youre not supposed to use that macro to SS
read what you copied
it has a huge warning
if you spam IP you will rage starve, which is not what we want ever
proud heart
yeah my SS is alone
lusty grotto
ok good
proud heart
my IP is with SS if for wathever reason im using it off gcd
lusty grotto
to spend rage, is the reason
proud heart
omg i did the whole dungeon in defensive stance
turbid shuttle
honestly sitting d stance is much less of a big deal nowadays. it's just 3% crit.
proud heart
played warrior tank a lot back in bfa when last stand gave you shield block iirc
or was it avatar
lusty grotto
shield block
proud heart
for a first timer it feel pretty friendly too
lusty grotto
probably
vivid orchid
its still useful as is
lusty grotto
its okay, its not terrible
proud heart
could give you some leech at least imo
lusty grotto
would be better with cdr
proud heart
ye
lusty grotto
🤷 leech
proud heart
i mean something else for a 3 min cd
proud heart
30% health alone looks like an unfinished talent
like the guy forgot to add the second part
lusty grotto
its a relic of the past
vivid orchid
10 minute cooldown in vanilla
south zealot
dont care enough to respond
lusty grotto
kinda wild he responded now
south zealot
i think its just a bait troll account
lusty grotto
mastery helps increase parry
south zealot
he forgot about
its literally just completely false information
how would you even acquire such information without making it ip
hardy snow
he even have nick like some random yt comments bot
lusty grotto
kinda wild ive leveled 2 characters off this event and not gotten a single recruit cloak
tribal wharf
i dont so much hitting the buttons over and over, what i mind is that and then tied with 20 additional situational button
merry sluice
ope, time to play some balatro right now
lusty grotto
whats that
lusty grotto
where can i see
crystal thicket
Why do alot of warriors take ws over endurance training?
Is the value of auto attack speed procing resets that big over the health
Feels like 10% health is a nuts node
tropic tangle
haste and the auto attack speed feeds your rage cycle
lusty grotto
do you gem stamina or something?
tropic tangle
which feeds your damage / mitigation
lusty grotto
^
check our pinned builds, none of them have ET
its a waste of 2 or 1 talent points
crystal thicket
yeah i know i just didnt realize it the auto speed was that valuable
anywhere else 10% stam seems strong to me
lusty grotto
its not
crystal thicket
yes i get it feeds ss resets
tropic tangle
10% stam alone isn't crazy for 2 points
south zealot
the thing about stamina is that, and this is gonna sound stupid but
if youre not getting literally 100-0d
your hp doesnt matter
merry sluice
where can i see
its on steam and switch
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2379780/Balatro/
https://www.reddit.com/r/balatro/
merry sluice
anywhere else 10% stam seems strong to me
haste = more dps, less time between GCDs, more shield block uptime, more rage from more GCDs, which means more healing, which might as well mean more health anyways.
More stamina just means you have more HP to lose. Where as more secondary means you take less dmg, and lose less HP.
lusty grotto
its on steam and switch
<https://store.steampowered.com/app/2379780/Balatro/>
<h...
i see, looks interesting
poker roguelike
seems super right up my alley
ill check it out
merry sluice
do you like roguelikes?
im a roguelike gremlin
I also love slay the spire, and im looking forward to the new one coming out
lusty grotto
not particularly
im more of a soulslike enjoyer
metroidvanias
but it still looks interesting
waxen frigate
anywhere else 10% stam seems strong to me
Stam is pretty useless in modern wow for tanks
past torrent
vault is useless this upcoming Tuesday correct? So there is zero point to do keys other than portals/points?
merry sluice
You can’t get vault for next week
You could get more crests if you really wanted. But a tiny bump in ilvl means nothing for next week. So other than portals/flexing more io, n totally pointless.
I mean, unless you enjoy the gameplay still, if you have fun then send it anyways
merry sluice
metroidvanias
Haven’t played much metroidvanias outside of literally 2d metroids. Although of what I have played I did love fusion