protection

[grim pilot]

2 juggs

[strong forum]

as warri juggs are turbo fine

idk what youre talking about

[chilly brook]

as a warrior player

I can say we warriors love juggs

[strong forum]

real

[chilly brook]

[grim pilot]

As bdk I guess also not that bad?

With blood shield

Op

[merry sluice]

True

My favourite is prot pally Spell warding that pull

One of the few instances where they’ll ignore the tank

[grim pilot]

Like actually ignore or

I didnt tank a single key as ppal in s4

Or do a single key as ret I think either

https://raider.io/characters/eu/tarren-mill/Blushx yeah my pala been afk since s2

[round cliff]

whats the highest ilvl 1hander i can just go get rn

[austere oar]

528, gholak

[round cliff]

true i forgot abt dinar

oh i have no dinar

[urban portal]

You can get a vet track weapon if you want from radiant echos

[round cliff]

ok the ACTUAL fucked achievement is the treasures

ur telling me i just have to go dig a fuckton of dirt forever until i get it..

[lusty grotto]

huh

[raven lily]

best spell to bind elemential pocket anvail to?

[round cliff]

i did raging blow

i dont think it matters as long as its rotational

ramp might be better cuz then u get it used in ur opener

[lusty grotto]

this is prot channel

wtf are you on about

dont bind it to abilities/spells

[lusty grotto]

to trinket bind

if youre not gonna have a trinket bind, buy signet instead

[violet ginkgo]

there is no bind to pocket just put it on your bar and press it.

[cinder nova]

I honestly just have it on Shield SLam.

[bleak breach]

Currently tracking ignore pain, shield block, sudden death, seeing red plus tier bonus. Anything else worth tracking? With weak auras that is

[brittle lake]

new tier list huehuehue

[toxic pewter]

That’s just not true

[round cliff]

lmao whoopsie

how did i end up here

[toxic pewter]

You want to start tanking

[round cliff]

i stand by what i said tho

people with actual anvil binds r lunatics

i AM NOT gonna press anvil

[hazy bronze]

I mean I just have a use13 and use14 macro

[nova mason]

I wanna start protwar, long time bear here. My biggest worry is pugs, I feel like bear can talent in a lot of utility whereas warrior just has a more fun gameplay.

Is utility a contentious point with protwar or it isn't as bad because of our stuns?

[south zealot]

its literally worse to have it bound

delays your gcd and youre more likely to drop it when dropping combat

[south zealot]

utility isnt real

and even if it is you have 2 or 3 aoe stops and 2 st stuns

youll be fine

[fallow nova]

Unfortunately aoe stops aren't as good as they used to be thanks to the re-casting change, but I can pretty much guarantee that the utility a bear has will NOT make up for the burnout you'll get from playing something you don't find as fun.

Pwar will be plenty viable. If you find it more fun, go with it.

[south zealot]

what other utility does druid have

motw and soothe

doesnt really effect pugging in any way

i assumed they were talking about stops

[fallow nova]

Yeah, bear isn't a "pug hero" spec the way ppal is, and now with things like WoG healing for absolute beans and ooming you even if you just use SL procs on yourself, it's losing some of that group sustain utility as well

[round cliff]

is it worse? sure
do i care abt it being worse. no

and it's totally fine to not to

it fits in the gcd

[south zealot]

calling people lunatics for playing correctly is weird

is all im saying

[round cliff]

who said it was correct

i didnt

[south zealot]

having a separate bind for anvil is correct

[waxen frigate]

wut

binding it separately is how you dont drop it

[south zealot]

i meant to not have it bound

am tired sorry

[waxen frigate]

there's no excuse

[round cliff]

my excuse is that i forget to press trinkets

[sharp marten]

Unless you're pugging 17s utility isn't the end of the world, and if you're at that level you ought to be looking for a team that uses coms anyway. If you're worried about pugging 10s, it's hardly relevant there. If prot warrior is the more fun playstyle for you personally, then play prot warrior.

[graceful kite]

utility is a strawman to justify why someone's meta

I haven't played beta but warrior seems very solid especially since blizz is trying to make all tanks rely on healers more and it should benefit prot, also I think the new mechanic of mobs recasting stuff after stops has upsides for prot with reflection

[dusky canopy]

Every patch sinze Vanilla

[brittle lake]

u r a gentleman

[tribal wharf]

my tank tier list

if i wasnt a pwar, i'd be a dh, i'm stupid enough to be a DH

[cerulean tusk]

How is bear F?

[orchid mural]

because of sound effects, duh 😄

[tribal wharf]

cuz its bear lmao

part personal, part fax, 50/50

[pallid quiver]

Because it's the spec of furries, so you sacrifice your human spirit for it

[tribal wharf]

I hate these guys so much, when he shoots a fire ball it lingers on the ground for 5 seconds and deals dmg, and it REALLY hurts

[merry sluice]

idc how good bear is

i can't be a cute demon girl while playing it

so its f tier

[violet flume]

am i crazy or did damage reduction from armor increase dramatically

im 500 ilevel and i have like 82% DR from armor.. felt like it was 60ish before prepatch

prot paladin actuall caps to 85% with sotr lol

[cerulean tusk]

Prepatch changed values, yarp

[urban portal]

Don’t worry that’s gonna be gone soon

[hardy snow]

finished lvling and added colors

[brittle lake]

its looks like a power rangers

[tribal wharf]

u best not be knocing power rangers tho son

power rangers fuckin lit

original for sure at least, but most of that power rangers stuff was incredible

[edgy bone]

@hardy snow you have 4 warriors?

What benefits are there to having 4 warriors?

[toxic pewter]

imagine not having 4 warriors

[edgy bone]

Lol bro what

[toxic pewter]

wat u mean

[edgy bone]

Is there actually a reason to have 4

[toxic pewter]

yeh

[edgy bone]

Is there a minmax strat

[urban portal]

4 sets of drip

[hardy snow]

No, I have total 14 warriors

but Im using like 3

mostly for transmog collecting

[edgy bone]

But no real benefit for war within right

[hardy snow]

and leveled 3 more humans in pandaremix for the warband

[hardy snow]

No, it has benefits in upcoming season only for RWF riders.

[edgy bone]

Gotcha

I can't make 4 warriors and try to get a bind on warband 2h axe and send it to my main?

[hardy snow]

For normal players it just allows you to farm transmogs faster and look cool (if you like it) in warbands char select.

[hardy snow]

If its bind to warband you can send it to main.

[edgy bone]

But now you can farm transmog with any spec and armor type right

[hardy snow]

Yes, but not class items (recently Bliz said they will change that)

And two additional warriors that Im using were created long time ago, before such change to get heritage achievs and have chars for tmog farming.

And it will be still useful to farm LFR transmog in current tiers, as its almost impossible to get tmog for a different class.

[merry sluice]

more warrior

=

more zugzug

is simple math

[violet flume]

i see blizzard found the ultimate solution to making prot warriors use defensive stance

force you into it randomly lmao

i swear i never click it but im always in defensive

[lusty grotto]

yeah its annoying

but to their defense

it was bad to require a WA to notify you to begin with

[violet flume]

yeah but its like.. i log off in battle i log back in defensive

but i guess they auto select the stance so you dont go stanceless

[lusty grotto]

yeah its weird

[violet flume]

but went overboard with the code

[lusty grotto]

ideally it would only do that when changing specs

but shrug blizz just went with the overkill approach i guess

[violet flume]

prob an intern coder and bad QA tbh

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt be surprised

blame the 80 buck beta testers xD

[violet flume]

ya, QA notoriously awful at blizz sometimes i swear

still remember that korthia daily about critters

how that passes QA.. no idea

[lusty grotto]

its cause QA doesnt exist

its players that log on PTR/beta

[violet flume]

youd think the dev would test his quest

then again

[lusty grotto]

right, idk how they dont have sanity check testing

[violet flume]

the junior dev i work with doesnt test fuckall and deploys in lower environments and pikachu faces when he demos the feature and it has a obvious bug

[lusty grotto]

i get giga nervous if i havent tested to push a commit/PR at my job, especially when i code review the entire team

so idk

lol

ive seen that

but i catch them fast in code reviews

[violet flume]

yeah i pretty much do the whole QA process locally before i open my PR lol

[lusty grotto]

[slender wedge]

is there a WA or addon that tells me when any spell is directed to me

[lusty grotto]

honestly though i dont envy Blizz devs, they probably have higher ups breathing down their neck constantly and rushed/crunched repeatedly

[merry sluice]

hmm

since dusting off my bdk i've noticed a LOT of healers have no idea wtf to do with a bdk lol

i love sitting with a fat chunk of RP, or a t h i c c bloodshield and jsut watching the healer pump healing into me for no reason

[austere oar]

It's the only tank that needs actual knowledge of its kit and the way it works to be healed properly

[merry sluice]

its especially funny to watch them do it

then watch them have to drinke every other pull

[austere oar]

Most healers won't bother

[pallid quiver]

listen, sometimes i just crit blast omega super duper a riptide and it just puts your HP back in sometimes

[plush path]

hey pookies

[plush path]

is fight through the flames on live or only beta

[pallid quiver]

should be on live now with pre-patch; that's the magic defense, ye?

[plush path]

yea

[plush path]

might be blind but cant find it

[pallid quiver]

Should be just to the side of best served cold, on the top left side, above the challenging shout node

[plush path]

it is there

thank you pookie

why is it not selected in any builds?

thought it would help some against magic dmg since prot war lacks against that

[lusty grotto]

spell block?

[pallid quiver]

We're very well kitted for dealing with magic damage.

[lusty grotto]

wdym it lacks

[grim pilot]

Its mostly bleeds

That pwar struggles against

[lusty grotto]

its not worth the pick is why

[pallid quiver]

As long as it is not extremely frequent, constant bits of magic rot, we're fine on magic damage

On top of that, it requires you to be in def stance, which also hasn't even been necessary

So you're stacking unnecessary defense on top of unnecessary defense

5% also is not a game changing amount in most cases; for people who think it'll save them,

they're fucking dying, talent pick or not

[lusty grotto]

i would expect someone that hasnt played DF to say warriors are struggling against magic

but i think i just unlocked a new pet peeve

[plush path]

https://tenor.com/view/kickedoutofsuggesstions-gif-569061571572124483

[lusty grotto]

what can you expect from someone that doesnt trust warcraftlogs.com

[violet ginkgo]

Not really, against magic damage is fine but against Bleed/DoT, now that is problems.
Plus it's only 5% not a big reduction.

[bleak breach]

Yeah it’s a pretty trash talent, should’ve just been made baseline.

You’d simply just pick spellblock 10/10 times over it

Or keep it as a talent but get rid of stances and build us purely around defensive stance so instead you’re basically just taking a magic damage reduction talent.

[sacred isle]

does battle-scarred veteran work?

[strong forum]

Yes

[marble night]

Good Morning gents. Curiously looking into prot warrior after seeing how fun the m+ gameplay loop looked. Seeing two talents for shield wall CDR, what does the cooldown look like for shield wall/avatar in m+? Ty 🙂

[jagged pier]

All depends on how well u play

Les than a min for both tho

[strong forum]

If you play optimal avatar is ~35sec cd and shieldwall ~50sec

[marble night]

Damn 3.5 min to 1min that’s great. Is that new with TWW? Sounds like it would feel super bad for that to get nerfed

[jagged pier]

No thats not new

Been like that for ages

[strong forum]

That's been the case for as long as I can remember

Atleast 6+ years

[marble night]

Honestly had no idea prot warriors had that much cdr on their stuff. Sounds like lots of fun

Mountain thane looks super cool for m+ too. Been looking for something new after prot pal

[toxic pewter]

? its literally the same as it has been for the last 2 years lol

[ionic fern]

If they've not played Warrior for some time it's new to them tho.

[grim pilot]

^

[toxic pewter]

strange concept but I guess I see what you mean

[grim pilot]

No need to word it in such a way

[toxic pewter]

I just assume everyone else has been playing prot warr for years

[marble night]

nah ive never touched a warrior before lol

[fallow nova]

The game has an awful lot of specs. Hard to imagine everyone has been playing pwar this whole time.

[marble night]

but really liking what im seeing!

[fallow nova]

Yeah, it's a blast

[marble night]

a tauren warrior was my first toon back in like '07

[fallow nova]

Something great about a nice crunchy shield charge.

My first was a Tauren druid back in 2011

[marble night]

this one i just leveled is maghar orc

something about how orcs stand is just *chefs kiss

the new way, not the slouching

[fallow nova]

Orcs make for some sweet warrior transmog

[marble night]

gotta figure it out, rn just using legion lego for weps

[fallow nova]

Not gonna lie, I still use the legion sword for my mog because back sheathing is hella cool

[marble night]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-5346522

[fallow nova]

I usually wind up going pretty basic on my warrior mogs though.

[marble night]

thought my monk was the only one who could do it till i made this guy

[violet ginkgo]

I mean... I only touch Warrior, DK, MM Hunter and Resto Druid. Recently just trying holy priest out of boredom. There are many class I got 0 knowledge like mages, warlock and so on.

[cerulean tusk]

Try disco and go attoment healing, a lot more fun than Hpriest

Disco disco, fun fun

[fallow nova]

For most of my time in WoW over the last 10 years, I've swapped mains between Paladin, Warrior, and Mage, with some Priest, Shaman and Monk thrown in.

Disc probably remains my favorite healer, with Hpal a close second.

[lime edge]

what are the best trinkets for prot war? every site is telling me different (guessing one defensive and one offensive trinket?)

[tribal wharf]

too bad taunt in wow doesnt work like in diablo 2, forces ranged mobs to walk towards you if they can

bow/gun/wand spammers always annoying in games

[violet ginkgo]

yeah it will be nice if we can do this just force them to walk faster to you.

[pallid quiver]

You should always aim for offensive trinkets before defensive trinkets, because current tank design leaves pretty much all survival you need in your base kit, so the defensive trinkets can end up wasted outside of very difficult content. That being said, it doesn't really matter what you use since xpac is over real soon now, but anvil/dreadplates is a pretty good catchall to just have, but grieftorch will be stonks for levelling next xpac

[rigid hull]

Alright so im back to wow for war within xd

warrior any better now?

in war within

[cerulean tusk]

Not really, no

[lusty grotto]

bigger dam, but so does everyone else

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-james-franco-david-skylark-same-but-different-but-still-same-gif-4956158

[cerulean tusk]

Nome going to reroll from pwarr I heard
Dead spec

[nova mason]

How fast do tanks armor cap? Isn't the earthen 10%+ armor really strong?

[cerulean tusk]

You mean before value really slows down? Answer is fast - basically whatever gear you get around normal/HC level, and it is re-adjusted every season start. The armor bonus is neat, doubt it will be really strong. And if it is, it will get nerfed

[strong forum]

You can't armor cap

Only bear can during incarn

[cerulean tusk]

[strong forum]

With 6-8 IF stacks

[cerulean tusk]

I was about to say somethin', but fair, you mentioned bear

[strong forum]

There's a hard DR on armor + existing K-value modifier behind the curtains

[cerulean tusk]

Are we armor capped on live atm? I know DK got silly amounts of armor

[strong forum]

You will never reach any kind of armor cap

[strong forum]

Dk has the 2nd least amount of armor in the game

Only monk has less armor

[cerulean tusk]

On live it got 65% or something base - pre bonearmor, atm

Prepatch is a silly place

[strong forum]

Whilst targeting a critter

Armor cap is 85%, and like I said, it turbo hard DRs

[cerulean tusk]

Are there critters in the world anymore?

[strong forum]

Just looking at your character sheet does not tell the full story

[cerulean tusk]

baseline BDK atm

[strong forum]

Yeah that's like nothing

My warri has like 90k armor

And that's also nowhere near armor cap

[cerulean tusk]

What value ya sitting at tho

guess I can throw myself on my own warr and see

pretty close to 85% if you ask me

[grim pilot]

Its massive dr ye

[strong forum]

against evenly matched enemy

[cerulean tusk]

Raid would be 81% ish?

[strong forum]

(this assumes pvp)

no

maybe like 60

or less

cuz like

we sure as shit

dont perma critblock

xd

[cerulean tusk]

Close to at least, if those numbers are true

[strong forum]

they arent

character sheet for these values is a massive bait

[cerulean tusk]

blizz should look at fixing that then

Throw em a note about it

[strong forum]

🙂

its been wrong ever since bfa

[cerulean tusk]

so only way to see the right information is through calculating logs?

[strong forum]

parry bad btw

but apparently

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/hungry-heavy-breathing-fat-cat-gif-25298713

[strong forum]

block and armor values are indeed that fucky

this is vs mythic raid boss

which is uhm

20% higher than it should be

as in, total

not relative

[cerulean tusk]

this is vs LFR :v

[strong forum]

ya LFR has less k value

so yeah hm

i guess they did fuck k-values

[cerulean tusk]

seems to be right numbers shown on tooltip and reduced in LFR at least

[strong forum]

yes cuz open world doesnt have the same k value as raid

and within raid there are also different levels

LFR > normal > hc > mythic

[cerulean tusk]

Ye - but I can trust the value shown vs target

[strong forum]

in mythic armor block and stagger are the least effective

only if you target the actual raidboss

[cerulean tusk]

Well

ofc I am

[strong forum]

cuz theyre level 73+

aka "??"

[cerulean tusk]

[slender wedge]

is there any addon or wa that warns me when something is being casted to me?

[sick sentinel]

Can you get 500+ stonecales from mega dungeon? or how? Looking on murlok i saw 522 stonescales

Nvm found it in guide

[mellow bridge]

ye

part of why keys are omega free rn and people are pushing some stoopid lvls

tanks are kinda immortal

[mellow bridge]

yes in hardmode but like

new expansion in 2 weeks..

[sick sentinel]

Did not know that

[mellow bridge]

23rd August if you buy the big edition

otherwise uhhh

26th?

[sick sentinel]

Sarcasm

[mellow bridge]

You can never know with people farming an useless trinket 2 weeks before release

[sick sentinel]

Just hitting 3k for shits and giggs

[sick sentinel]

1

[grizzled orbit]

is this order still the way to go

[strong forum]

ya

[grizzled orbit]

• any shield i guess

what about trinkets for m+?

[jagged pier]

Thoses are trinkets for m+

[grizzled orbit]

not these 2?

[jagged pier]

No

[lime edge]

Is augury still good if u have high crit?

[mellow bridge]

it's not like it's trash but it does less than other trinkets assuming you use em well

[tribal wharf]

NOOOOOO you cant just parry everything!!!!!! noooo!!!

[strong forum]

they were always solid trinkets

but rageheart and augury i wouldnt say are your best trinkets

dreadplates does both more dmg and grants more survivability (you dont need survivability in prepatch cuz you take as close to 0 dmg as possible)

and anvil/signet just completely destroy augury in dmg

and after this weeks reset we probably like stat trinkets like OCE a good chunk aswell

cuz we get a significant dmg buff

[tribal wharf]

oce was just kinda meh i feel

good, but nothing much to that trinket

[strong forum]

correct

thats what stat trinkets are

[tribal wharf]

i should have played for the RLP trinket

it sucks

see if it did more dmg than i remembered

[opal spoke]

is there any weak aura avail for spell reflect

[bleak breach]

Augury better if you’re not maintaining uptime correctly on the others

I haven’t done any keys this season so I just took augury and grieftorch because of the quick fights

[daring lily]

Hello! First post here, with a question about protection warriors going into War Within - I've casually messed around with tanking as a prot warrior, and I've noticed that since the prepatch hit I can't get continuous uptime on shield block (which feels different than Dragonflight). I've tried some timewalking dungeons and am getting roughly 85-90% shield block uptime (even with Heavy Repercussions and paying extra attention to hitting shield slam ASAP; it was worse with Into The Fray). Is that a haste (or other) issue that should get better at level 80, or are prot warriors now designed to not have 100% uptime on shield block (not counting the first few seconds of a fight)?

[south zealot]

if you have heavy reprecussions you should have 100% uptime no matter what you do

and with into the fray and enough haste you have enough uptime if you use shield charge on cd

[daring lily]

Currently 26% haste, trying to hit shield block (and slam) on cd

level 70 prepatch

[strong forum]

26% is incredibly low

You need HR then

[pallid quiver]

Do note that woth how short packs live in timewalking, you can run into issues with keeping sb up by sheer virtue of mobs just blowing up before you can get enough shield slams in + the travep time, so you're heavily encouraged to pull a little big in timewalking as a result

The change in stats also will hit you like a truck as well, likely

[jagged gust]

Also shield block uptime isn't a totally accurate tracking method. Obviously it's a good indicator but you should be checking your unmitigated hits to see what you're actually blocking.

[daring lily]

Thanks; not sure how to check unmitigated hits (? Wowanalyzer). Has heavy repercussions always been 1 second extension, or was it longer before the prepatch?

[strong forum]

it was never longer than 1 second extension no

[slender wedge]

is there any addon or wa that warns me when something is being casted to me?

[daring lily]

TYVM for all of the responses

[mellow bridge]

You can check easily via logs if you got any

[vivid orchid]

so back to last night and the earthen thing - turns out all food can be made perma food. so the earthen racial being what it is, is a funny joke

[keen leaf]

persists through death isnt the same as perma food

I'd like to introduce you to flavor pocket

[vivid orchid]

yeah, wrong channel; those dont exist in tww

[keen leaf]

You misunderstood me, Hearty food IS the new flavor pocket from what I can tell

[vivid orchid]

yes it is thats what I said

[merry sluice]

Just dont die 😉

[sick sentinel]

Hey all new to prot warrior I'm loving ignore pain and shield block, I'm running into one issue which is really ignoring me and that is I always am waiting on rage to build for ignore pain or shield block. Am I just suppose to stand there whilst waiting for rage to passivley build? Or is it a case of wrong talents? I am coming from a BM hunter so its quite alot different to what im used to lol but its so much fun!

These are the talents I have selected.

[lusty grotto]

youre getting rage starved probably because youre spamming IP

do not press IP unless youre at 70 rage and are about to shield slam/TC

your rage bar needs to be moving between 30 and 70 all the time

if you provide logs we can know for sure

but new players just make the mistake of spamming IP

so im going off on that

your goal is to maintain SB, and only use IP as a rage dump (hence use at 70+ rage only)

also please fix your class tree

its a mess

we have pinned builds

[sick sentinel]

ye im new like made my warrior couple of days ago lol so still figuring it out and I had no idea that was a thing with the 70 rage, and for talents i chose just what sounded cool

[lusty grotto]

youre lacking huge talents like Unstoppable Force and Uproar

oh

youre not max level

ok that makes sense

[sick sentinel]

Ye im 70 just low ilvl like 480 something from the prepatch event

Just trying to figure this all out tbh lol

[lusty grotto]

ok youre max lvl

[sick sentinel]

But the way youve explained it makes alot more sense

[lusty grotto]

fix your talents

if you wanna play BSV, then the spec side is fine

but

your class side (the left side) is bad

no bueno

bueno

[sick sentinel]

ok will do ty!

[lusty grotto]

no bueno

just take a look at our pinned builds

or wowhead

or icy veins

both are Skyhold guides

[sick sentinel]

will do now ty! need to get used to talents/builds lol its just overwhelming trying to understand it all, like on my bm its press 5 buttons and watch pets attack but i found it so boring where as warrior more to it and i get to have cool tmog

[lusty grotto]

thats fine, for now just try to correct your gameplay and then worry about talents

and remember, our prio is Shield Slam (SS) > Thunderclap (TC) > Revenge/Execute (as of today, but will change with Hero Talents when TWW is released)

always keep up and maintain Shield Block (SB)

and Ignore Pain (IP) only at 70 rage and going for a rage generator such as SS/TC, in other words mash it to not overcap rage only. It's off-gcd so you can do it in between SS, TC, or Revenge/Exe global cooldowns

[sick sentinel]

As a casual can you explain to me why that talent and second wind are bad? i thought more stamina/armor and health was good?

[lusty grotto]

endurance training doesnt give armor

just stam

and you dont need the reduced incap effect thing

[vivid orchid]

the opportunity cost is way too high

[lusty grotto]

second wind is bad cause youre a tank

and unless youre raiding

and not actively tanking

its getting 0 value

and we dont really kite

[sick sentinel]

that makes more sense

[lusty grotto]

Fast Footwork is unneeded cause you have War Machine

its fine for farming runs, i guess, you can flex some into it, but not for actual content, largely unneeded

youre losing a lot of power by not getting Unstoppable Force

and Uproar, if you have tier, is massively worth it

[south zealot]

there is so much wrong with your talents i cannot tell if this is bait or not

if its not bait nim gives great advice

also the wowhead/icyveins guides are well done if you wanna check them out

very useful information

[sick sentinel]

not bait serious, figured id ask here and nim has helped alot! ive slotted uproar and the other one to help

im just so used to playing 5 buttons on bm and falling asleep, warrior appealed to me as not really ever played it so made the switch glad i have class is just so much more fun overall

[south zealot]

oh yeah man its super fun for sure

i like it

[sick sentinel]

i also find fury my fav as whirlwind go brrr

[plush path]

you should try sub rogue its similar to fury and beginner friendly

[sick sentinel]

rogue has no interest to me not a fan of the sneaky/invis kinda theme prefer being in action more with big weapons

[south zealot]

what

do you mean outlaw

[ionic fern]

@ocean reef ,Lakie says hi.

[sonic drum]

Are we the only tanks to get nerfed?

The nerf to def stance and the 1% buff to magic damage made me chuckle, still worse off

[pallid quiver]

have you had any remote look at tanks, because Prot Pal has been shouted from the cliffs as kneecapped seven times over

as to how accurate that is

To elaborate, there was an overall tank tuning meant to slightly address tank survival in relation to the stamina/health changes and other things. You really can't say Warrior got nerfed when the only relevant change was Indom being halved, while other classes had entire mechanical changes, like BDK Death Strike changing how it works

[hardy snow]

No.

[sonic drum]

Guessing there’s a tank spec that got off Scot free?

[fallow nova]

None of them did

Some are looking better than others in one way or another, but the big nerf to tanking affected all 6 specs in noticeable ways.

[mellow bridge]

Literally every single tank got nerfed as blizz perceives tanks as being too independant

[strong forum]

All tanks will be nerfed this reset

With pwar being nerfed the least

Compared to say bdk or ppally

[sick sentinel]

So VDH is dead now?

[jagged pier]

🧑‍🚀 🔫 🧑‍🚀 always has been

[strong forum]

Vdh is nowhere near dead lol

It's the highest dps tank in m+(due to bugs rn), and still brings 5% magic debuff

🙂

[sick sentinel]

I know we losing a lot of survivability

😦

[strong forum]

We're not

[sick sentinel]

No VDH

[strong forum]

Ah eh

Wouldn't call it alot

[sick sentinel]

Maybe time to come back to pwarr

[strong forum]

You still scale with dmg taken

[unkempt hazel]

it was always time to pwarr

[strong forum]

And you don't have the deathstrike nerf

[unkempt hazel]

[strong forum]

And painbringer + frailty

Vdh will be fine

[plush tendon]

the nerfs have been live on beta for a while no?

I think most people agree that all the tanks except paladin feel pretty even with each other; VDH or Bear take the cake for M+ meta convos since they pretty much all revolve around raid buffs synergy for casters

and the VDH damage is for sure a bug.... burning blades doing way too much

[sonic drum]

Sweeet!

We’re back ontop boys

[sick sentinel]

Oh, how are new dungeons looking, any routes been made yet?

[fallow nova]

Also, execute is big and sexy now

[sonic drum]

Didn’t they nerf that

[mellow bridge]

Execute in TWW does a lot more than rn

[fallow nova]

Unless I missed something more recent, the latest changes to pwar included a pretty significant bump to execute damage

[mellow bridge]

actually a good button again

[fallow nova]

yeah

we got the 30% overall buff, with the 50% execute dmg buff on top of it

[sonic drum]

Ignore me 50% buff

Misread it my bad

[fallow nova]

Yeah, it bonks hard now.

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto SIX hours straight yesterday pugging 16/17 ULD finally got one

[sonic drum]

So DH no longer king of mythic+ ?

[dusky canopy]

💀

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/why-just-why-but-why-monkey-gif-18202838286539704455

[dusky canopy]

DH is still the best

[sonic drum]

[dusky canopy]

I’m ocd as hell and uld was the only key that wasn’t 16+ so I had to force myself to do it

Went from 11 fort to 16 fort

Lmao

[plush tendon]

grats

Ulda is a fun dungeon

[dusky canopy]

Hate that damn dungeon with passion

[strong forum]

youll be doing ~60% more execute dmg

after reset

execute gets a 50% buff and pwar gets a 25% aura buff

[jagged pier]

i didnt even do a grimail 20 in S1 as i already had the portal

[sonic drum]

Yea I misread it like an idiot

[dusky canopy]

Bro F I wish I could let it slide like that

[sonic drum]

So blizzards philosophy on tanking is we should die if healer ignores us for more than 5 secs?

[dusky canopy]

Bro Prot is going to pump tomorrow btw

Excited for that

[strong forum]

every tank is getting their dmg buffs

but yeah we will comparatively do more now than in TWW

[dusky canopy]

There’s other tanks in WoW!?!?

[plush tendon]

no; the nerfs arent that severe.

[dusky canopy]

Since when!

[sonic drum]

Thank god

[plush tendon]

What they dont want is tanks basically able to solo +17 bosses by themselves

[strong forum]

in my beta keys the healer had to barely look at me

[plush tendon]

while the group has been dead for 5 minutes

[strong forum]

you get most of your healing from group healing

[jagged pier]

cant wait to get nerfed before release because of this

[sonic drum]

lol

[strong forum]

you will more often than currently need active healer attention

[jagged pier]

[plush tendon]

besides, a lot of the extra 'healing' required was already being done and being counted as overhealing

[strong forum]

but its not like you need it perma

[plush tendon]

some healers have a easier time with it then others

but tanks generally have been getting pretty bloated defensivley since the disaster of S1 SL (which I frankly enjoyed XD)

[dusky canopy]

It’s funny when you see streamer say “Prot Warrior doesn’t heal its self they’re so screwed with this change”

Then nome says “I’m basically immortal”

[strong forum]

did a key with petko on beta the other day where he already had a pwar tank

so i was like okay cool so i dont have to

dude died to every single pack needed perma attention

then leaves with "fuck this shit class"

i tank

how did the other prot die that much

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[shrewd grove]

The number of times I run on an alt and see pug prot warriors sit in d stance the whole key, and never press shield block.... then they complain about prot having no damage and getting hit like a truck

Or they spam revenge

[strong forum]

luckily d-stance isnt going to turbo brick your dmg anymore

and revenge spam is actually the way as colossus

[shrewd grove]

I have heard that. Really looking forward to trying it out. Although, Thane looks like the way to go for keys. Love the concept

[strong forum]

small difference in aoe breakdown

and also 300k dps difference

[shrewd grove]

Holy shit. That's a pretty significant change in DPS. How bad is the survivability hit?

[strong forum]

very

you basically try to send as many revenges as you can at the cost of rage generation

can do as much as 50% more aoe dmg than thane with that

but youll also die 80% faster

[shrewd grove]

That's truly absurd lol

[strong forum]

yeah thats what happens when you give a combined 210% dmp amp to an aoe spender without cooldown

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/but-it-was-worth-it-worth-it-i-have-no-regrets-worthwhile-it-is-worth-gif-15140438

[strong forum]

like i can do as much as 1.5mil sustained dps on 4 targets as colossus

if i ignore IP as a button

whereas thane only does 1mil sustained dps when played optimally

however thane sends almost all its rage into IP

[shrewd grove]

Thane rotation is essentially same as DF with a prio on TBlast over SS when you have it, is that right?

[strong forum]

kinda

on aoe yes

ST depends on your current active buffs

[hardy snow]

so thane for pushing, colossus for vault keys, seems cool

[strong forum]

overgeared vault keys*

yea

[spice marsh]

Any talent build for TWW beta for mountain?

[hardy snow]

yea, of course, wouldnt call +10 in first few weeks a "vault key" 😄

[hardy snow]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1230018936427515924

[spice marsh]

Yeah I don't see a build in thhere :>

[jagged pier]

etc

[spice marsh]

Yes click on it

Just want a build to click and import

[jagged pier]

the builds link u to wowhead

from which u import

[hardy snow]

2nd screen that Jakey posted are links

[sterile basin]

what trinkets are currenty suggested for prot dungeon?

[jagged pier]

any of these

[sterile basin]

thanks! may i ask the same question about prot in warwithin beta here ? 🙂

[jagged pier]

#1230008411333066913

[sterile basin]

ty

[edgy bone]

Are there any high level M+ tanks here that call kick rotations and AoE stop rotations over voice? What are some things that helped you get better at that

[jagged pier]

just doing it

put your trackers in nice spots so u can seem them easily as well

[edgy bone]

Do you have AoE stop trackers too?

or just kick trackers

[jagged pier]

i mean omnicd should show u all the stops

or raid tools if u set it up correctly

[dusky canopy]

IMO it’s better to have a different roll do it

Aug is typically what the high end groups give that responsibility too

As tank your cognitive load is already taxed a good amount

Really it’s group dependent some people are really good at watching things on screen while simultaneously playing their roll/rotation and some are not no matter what class they play

[grim pilot]

Good placement on screen

And practice

I dont usually call bc I mostly play dps but I always try to take initiative if our tank doesnt do it (friend I play with always calls)

[dusky canopy]

It sounds funny but truly putting the info on the side of the screen that matches your dominant eye will help you notice it more when a ton of things are happening on the screen

I use Naowh ui and his interupt and omnicd are above the target frame on the right side by default I was almost completely removing them from my vision passively

Once I swapped them to the left side above my own health bar it was like putting on glasses

Literally

[grim pilot]

Also if you have full premade group and you dont need strict coordination due to how difficult the pull is just encourage your group to take the initiative

If I have 3 stops ready, I just say me into me into me

(As a dps)

[strong forum]

kick rotation rarely gets announced

in high level play

usually you just assign people to X important cast on X important mob

unless its 1 specific mob that needs to kicked ever 4 seconds

or 2 mobs that need to be interrupted by 2 different people

then that gets called out

[chilly brook]

Real man, whenever people expect me to do kick or stun rotations if I’m tanking I’m just like “not happening”

[edgy bone]

I feel this

All about the nuance of knowing WHAT needs kicked

and making sure that gets done

[plush path]

hi

[waxen frigate]

Keep your goddamn trap shut

[plush path]

did prot get a big buff from s4 to prepatch

[waxen frigate]

Every tank did

Prepatch made tanks insanely strong

[plush path]

wanna square up

[dusky canopy]

Yes

[strong forum]

dw tanks get self healing nerf this reset

and dmg buff

[tribal wharf]

infected thorns, that needs to be kicked

wait, im still stuck in 10.2

fucking infected thorn, destroyer of pugs.

cast goes off, dude dies in 2-3 ticks, " ???? healer??? wtf" in chat, .... every damn wcm

[waxen frigate]

I’ll blow your freaking head off

[plush path]

https://tenor.com/view/kickedoutofsuggesstions-gif-569061571572124483

[vocal cave]

when I play tank I have full 360 degree knowledge of whats going on and who fkd up, when I play dps I cant for the love of god keep myself from dying to stupid and avoidable dmg xD

guess dps brain switch goes unga bunga

[tribal wharf]

i get that way when i play doom and quake

avoid ALL the imp fireballs, never get meleed by the pinky, don't waste my shots

spatial+situational awareness kicks in for me in those games highly

[chilly brook]

You’re focused on doing a role you haven’t done that often so you’re not devoting brain power to everything else

[cerulean tusk]

As long you aren't the tank who is so 'one with everything going on', that you forget to press your buttons to efficently build threat. You do you.

[tribal wharf]

thats just called being brain dead and having no idea what you are doing

[dusky canopy]

Yogi did you do a 20 yet

[urban bane]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-look-stare-gif-9958860

[lusty grotto]

he did in s2

a WCM iirc

[dusky canopy]

[grim pilot]

Ya unless someone fucks up 1 kick and it gets iffy

Skill issue

[dusky canopy]

“I was spinning my bad”

[grim pilot]

I legit had that happen

Rise first pull is so ass

And spellqueue is giga fucked there on casters

So a volley I was assigned to went off because I was spinning in rise 30

still 7 sec left till volley on plater

[dusky canopy]

You know what’s cool about spell cd on nameplates is I only see the dungeon icon for all spells instead of the spell icon

Guy probably removed them to make room for TWW dungeons or something

[tribal wharf]

i did, but the meme got so out of hand that i deleted the youtube video about it

so, GG if you didnt download it

[lusty grotto]

what meme

that wasnt a meme at all

[tribal wharf]

yogi 20 when

yogi doom

[lusty grotto]

but you did it

[tribal wharf]

i mean

[lusty grotto]

so there's no meme

also by definition that never was a meme

[tribal wharf]

im just not built for that type of high end high stress content

[lusty grotto]

people were urging you, and you did it

topic over

[jagged gust]

Watching Sense tank while making callouts and I'm just like, fuck off

How dare you be that much better at wow than me

[dusky canopy]

Sense 🐐

[chilly brook]

Some dudes just built diffy

[tribal wharf]

if the raid leader calls it out every time, sure, but thats alot of raid leader responsibility

[jagged gust]

Ugh, speaking of I accidentally inherited a mythic guild

Now I do have to make callouts, at least raid tanking is a snore

[plush path]

what buff did prot war/ all tanks receive from s4 to prepatch

[jagged gust]

Hp regen nerfs, damage buffs

in general

[lusty grotto]

how come youve asked this like 3 times

nome even answered you

have you tried looking in wowhead or do you not trust that like you do with warcraftlogs.com?

[spare forge]

Hello guys, can we ask questions here ?

[lusty grotto]

sure

thats what this channel is for

[spare forge]

I'm pretty new to dungeons on wow and i have a hard time keeping aggro when i want to take two packs

[plush path]

https://tenor.com/view/kickedoutofsuggesstions-gif-569061571572124483

[lusty grotto]

try something new

[plush path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1100577419062157434/1200482266455998464/caption.gif

[lusty grotto]

you will lose agro if you have dps with better gear, as a fact. Get Gholak and upgrade it to max.

we will need logs after that to see what youre doing

[spare forge]

Gholak is an item ?

[chilly brook]

Sounds like someone (you) is regarded

[jagged gust]

Losing aggro in aoe is a rotational issue on your end, unless you mean while gathering

[lusty grotto]

yes? our best weapon

bought by bullions

[plush path]

https://tenor.com/view/yap-yap-yap-omg-hot-gif-14385438

[jagged gust]

whats your damage rotation look like?

[spare forge]

what i mean is i take aggro, then i dash to another pack and meanwhile i already lost aggro from the first pack

[lusty grotto]

stop spamming your shit old ret4rd, youre not funny and we're trying to help these guys

[jagged gust]

Now I see why Archi hates gifs

[sour crow]

Hey guys, I'm swapping from BDK to prot for TWW and I'm trying to learn a bit, and I saw the macro to swap from battle stance to defensive. I assume that we spend most of the time tanking in defensive stance, and only in scenarios like offtanking on a raidboss, am I correct ?

[plush path]

are you gettign angry

[chilly brook]

Archi hates a lot of things

And I think the discord is worse off for it

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

[lusty grotto]

battle stance the majority of the time, use dstance as a defensive

[chilly brook]

Multiple other class discords don’t have emotes limited to their respective emotes only

[jagged gust]

So that's an issue that has a couple probable causes. DPS using a basic rotation while gathering shouldn't pull mobs off you, but if they burst before that pack is gathered it can cause this issue.

[spare forge]

idk how to find logs, how do u do that ?

[lusty grotto]

whats your character called

[jagged gust]

But if you're not properly tagging mobs or continuing your rotation while gathering either that can be an issue on your end

[sour crow]

Damn I was so far from it then lmao, duly noted thanks !

[lusty grotto]

William

[spare forge]

What i do is i instant use everything from 2 to 5. And what is under it, i use it from left to right on cd

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt even have gholak

like

gholak in itself is fucking huge

it has huge snap agro

and its a 12/12 myth level weapon with bullions

[spare forge]

Biceps

[lusty grotto]

the higher your weapon ilvls is, the harder all of your abilities will hit

and therefore more threat

[spare forge]

yeah i understand that but i dont have good weapons. Only from the event

[lusty grotto]

ok youre gonna have to be more specific

[lusty grotto]

bullions

[spare forge]

From Eu Sinstralis i think is the name of serv

[lusty grotto]

3rd time i mention bullions btw

are you not max level?

[spare forge]

yes i am

[lusty grotto]

ok, do you know what bullions are?

[spare forge]

idk what bullions is

[dusky canopy]

I mean let’s clarify first

[lusty grotto]

hoooly

[jagged gust]

I was definitely thinking too deep here

[lusty grotto]

have you done LFR?

[dusky canopy]

Are the dps in your group busting immediately while you are running from the first pack to the second?

[spare forge]

lfr is raiding ? i dont think so xd

[lusty grotto]

how recently 70 is your character?

...

[spare forge]

one week id say

[lusty grotto]

bullions, earned through ANY type of raiding

are used to buy end-game raiding loot

which is extremely powerful

[dusky canopy]

Nim do you have the link handy for the bullion wowhead page

[spare forge]

oh ok thanks, i will to do that then. didnt know

[dusky canopy]

Probably will help this guy out a lot

Sec I’ll snatch it

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=213089/antique-bronze-bullion

i was looking for some guides but

[dusky canopy]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/best-bullion-purchases-for-all-classes-in-dragonflight-season-4-raid-loot

Go there

Read

[lusty grotto]

yeah was about to link that

[dusky canopy]

Profit

[lusty grotto]

get bullions, buy this first https://www.wowhead.com/item=207786/gholak-the-final-conflagration and upgrade it to max

then follow the Wowhead warrior guide for the rest of your buys

[spare forge]

ok, i will spam lfr then

[lusty grotto]

you wont have to

any boss will drop like 12 of them for you

basically all of the ones youve missed, since they are available weekly

[spare forge]

Okay perfect, i will do that then. And so to keep aggro i just need to do more dmg, thats it

[lusty grotto]

yup

better weapon > better trinkets > better gear overall will yield more damage

[sour crow]

You can loot more than one bullion per boss if you're too far "behind" regarding the availability of it?

[lusty grotto]

yes

theres a catch up

the boss that drops your bullions will drop a bunch

not just one

[sour crow]

Might run one or two wings then to have a bit of gear for the release

[lusty grotto]

however they will not drop any weekly quest bullions (so far only 6 in total for 3 weekly quests)

[spare forge]

should i go into lfr prepared or thats doable easily ?

[lusty grotto]

no need to run multilple wings, again

you can do it easily, but go dps just in case

[spare forge]

Okay thank you boss

[sour crow]

Yeah but that'll also be a way to work on my mechanics

[lusty grotto]

also

turn your dalaran defender's into tier

with the catalyst

should have a fuckload of catalyst charges

[spare forge]

okay i will look it up too

https://tenor.com/view/you-da-best-baby-yoda-chill-cute-the-mandalorian-gif-16664180

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4PTz3Dc8y2YCpjXv#fight=38&type=summary&translate=true

you are doing a dungeon with WAYYYYY better geared players

so like i mentioned

losing agro is expected

i can go over the log to see if youre doing, but at this point i feel like we've identified your issue

if you need me to check if youre doing well, i can go over that later

[spare forge]

i dont want to take more of your time 😄 I will follow your advice and if it still doesnt work i will send a message again

[dusky canopy]

Just keep in mind that even at max ilvl and damage if your dps players bust on the mobs while you’re running away you can still lose threat

[lusty grotto]

yeah but thats way later

lets not skip a few steps

[spare forge]

true, i was just trying to imitate some people doing high keys on youtube xd

[dusky canopy]

Right he needs gear

[lusty grotto]

gear and proper play are more important righ tnow

cant imitate people on high keys

they are ilvl capped, better players, and they are not doing +2s

[spare forge]

i need to learn from someone

[lusty grotto]

its not a good reference point

[spare forge]

but okay i will limit test another way

[lusty grotto]

just log your keys after you get gear and we can help

[spare forge]

okay ty 😄

[tribal wharf]

expansion comes out in 5.5 days if you paid for the A tier or better

[lusty grotto]

i didnt

tuesday is fine

so 2 weeks for me

[tribal wharf]

i did, but i dunno how m,uch that 3 days will truly get me ahead

i will be like, lvl 71 after 4 days

[lusty grotto]

also not 5.5 days

[tribal wharf]

18th aint it?

[lusty grotto]

early access is the 23rd

[tribal wharf]

21 - 3

oh, well, i dunno where i got 18th from but ya

[lusty grotto]

it wont

cause theres literally a month before the season starts

[tribal wharf]

like lil baldy says 3 days will get you way ahead of the crowd

[lusty grotto]

paying for early access is a gigantic fucking waste of money

it wont

[tribal wharf]

so, i mean i guess that could be true... like if your mythic or echo?

[lusty grotto]

no

it wont

let me say it again for the third time

it will not get you ahead

because the release of content is staggered

so once again

paying for early access is a GIGANTIC WASTE OF MONEY

[dusky canopy]

Nim I won’t lie to ya I totally learned Prot by copying Nome back in bfa

[tribal wharf]

i didnt pay for it becuase of early play i'll say, not the deciding factor

[lusty grotto]

Brew you probably had a clue of what was happening though

[dusky canopy]

Well yeah I wasn’t new to WoW

That’s fair

[lusty grotto]

watching and learning is not the same as copying, also

[tribal wharf]

learning is a long process with anger and frustration and realization and practice

[lusty grotto]

also 2024s (or post vengeance/Legion, for the most part) tanks are way easier to understand and master for dps mains than for people hardstuck on thinking tanks have magic abilities that keep agro

anyone that slaps dps, keeps agro, so its simpler for dps mains

[dusky canopy]

Yeah tbf when I tank I solely prioritize my damage

[tribal wharf]

if the rogue sneaks ahead and ambushes a gaurd without MD the tank, or evasion or vanish, or both, or all, and he dies, thats on him

not md, hell, tricks

you are driving in the wrong direction of the lane of traffic you are in at that point

[chilly brook]

Yesn’t

If your goal is character progression then yes

If your goal is playing the market and making gold no

[lusty grotto]

how is it yes for character progression when everything is closed

maybe for warband alts

if anything

[chilly brook]

As in yes your statement is correct

And no it is not correct if you want to make gold

[tribal wharf]

in 3 days u could get enough materials to max out 2 crafting professions, and then have them ready to enchant and blacksmith,
ready to send stuff to ur alts and more importantly, guild mates and the world! (to make gold money)

[dusky canopy]

What’s sad is it’s more efficient for me to work less than an hour and buy a wow token than it is for me to farm what a wow token is worth

[lusty grotto]

oh i see what youre saying

[dusky canopy]

[chilly brook]

95% of players the early access is meaningless

[tribal wharf]

reputation, quest progession, dailies fast tracking

[lusty grotto]

no

again for the 4th time

no

[tribal wharf]

isnt it again yesn't?

[dusky canopy]

Early access lets you level early and see the zones

Game breaking

[lusty grotto]

its just for mats, like griff said

and like you said

thats about it

[tribal wharf]

if the first 3 days is you cant get exp

then i fully understand

[dusky canopy]

Instead of leveling I’ll be flying around farming ore/herb on official release day

[chilly brook]

I’m somewhat glad I have the early access but that’s because I leave for a work trip in early September

[lusty grotto]

its not necesarily a bad thing either, cause when the rest of us are up, mats will already be starting to pick up in volume and will result in lower prices faster

[chilly brook]

I should probably do that lol

[tribal wharf]

its still going to be AH chaos when it goes normal player live

[dusky canopy]

I’m not actually going to touch any gathering

[tribal wharf]

for a week or month

[dusky canopy]

Literally couldn’t be bothered lmao

[lusty grotto]

sure but who buys shit from the AH at that point

[dusky canopy]

Huge profit for anyone willing though

[tribal wharf]

i mean, everyone doing mining trying to make gold

cash in

[lusty grotto]

🤷 doesnt sound any different than any other exp release

except... lower prices when it goes officially live

[tribal wharf]

usually the AH goes crazy like i said for a month or so

[dusky canopy]

It forces anyone who wants to get a solid foothold on the market to buy early access

Imagine 4 days in I have 10,000 mats to dump

[tribal wharf]

if only i had bought 8 wow tokens when they were 406k...

[dusky canopy]

Meanwhile plebs at level 70 still

Like

Kekw

Get owned

[lusty grotto]

im pretty sure botters are sweating it

cause they have to buy early access

or just play the long game

[tribal wharf]

also its a game of whackamole for devs and bots

new exp new bots, more bots banned

[lusty grotto]

youre saying nothing new

we're all aware of how it works

[dusky canopy]

I hope they’re dumb enough to bot early access

Literally begging to get banned

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

depends if early access is profitable for them

if it is, they will do it

they dont care about bans

[dusky canopy]

I personally don’t see how it would be

[lusty grotto]

they can just make a new account and buy it again

[dusky canopy]

It really depends

It’s a gamble weather or not the market will tank before you make up the extra cost of early access

[lusty grotto]

if i were one of those botting farms, i wouldnt because they dont have data to know whether it'll be profitable or not, but i wouldnt be surprised if they go for it

bans are just a non issue

for them

[dusky canopy]

I’m telling you, day 2-6 of official release when the masses are hitting 80 and leveling professions, the value of mats will be insane just like it always is

[lusty grotto]

this is a new thing for WoW, so there's no basis on what will happen market-wise

[dusky canopy]

My guess is the main difference will be less people share the wealth because you will only get ahead if you have early access

[wary spear]

Need some help with a macro. I am disabled from the service and have to use a lot of neat ways to use one hand in WoW.

I need a macro that will (with 1 button push, or in a sequence) Put me in Battle Stance no matter what stance I am in, then Charge, then place me into Defensive Stance.

So Far this is what I have. If I am in Battle stance when used, it works as above, but if I am in Defensive stance, it will place me in Battle Stance and Charge, but will not go into Defensive Stance.

#showtooltip
/cleartarget [dead]
/targetenemy [noharm]
/cast [noform:1] Battle Stance
/cast Charge

Any Help would be greatly appreciated.

[lusty grotto]

like i mentioned before, the only shift i see with early access is just having a higher volume than any usual exp release in the AH, so that will go into lower prices faster

[lusty grotto]

stances have an internal cd

so it wont work

im not sure what youre trying to go for here

whats the point of swapping stances mid charge

[wary spear]

I see the issue thanks

[lusty grotto]

gameplay wise

[wary spear]

I have one hand, lots of buttons are a issue

[lusty grotto]

nono

whats the point of being on a particular stance

[wary spear]

So I try to minimize them

Cant charge in Defensive

[lusty grotto]

?

yes you can

[chilly brook]

Realistically you can sit in defensive stance and be fine

[wary spear]

Yep I see

[chilly brook]

Bet he’s a classic Andy

[lusty grotto]

there arent any stance locked abilities, thats vanilla/classic talk

you can do everything in any stance

[wary spear]

still can

[lusty grotto]

still can what?

for the record this is a Retail channel

just so you know all ive said is only for Retail

[wary spear]

I dont know why I was thinking chanrge would not work in def

[lusty grotto]

it didnt used to... in vanilla, and consequently classic and perhaps SoD

you intercepted in berserker stance

you charged in battle

[chilly brook]

You could also look into voice attack

[lusty grotto]

you couldnt charge in combat either (you couldn only intercept)

[chilly brook]

Would probably help with more binds

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think thats a good idea

but i figure hes doing fine as it is

its just an unneeded macro for what he wants anyway, plus it doesnt work

[tribal wharf]

when you open up the MDT and it has 28 notes.....

[merry sluice]

wanna play a game?

did a rando 15 av on my bdk

what dps spec do you think

decided, after the third boss, to jump down, skip the book ride

and 1v1 the 4th boss?

[lusty grotto]

[merry sluice]

i watched a retpalaidn

jump down from the third boss platform
bop himself
land before my book even got half way down in av

then just pull the fourth boss and send it and immediatley die

[lusty grotto]

was he botting

could have been a mistake

maybe he didnt aim his fall

and auto agroed

it happens

[ionic fern]

Mythic+ is timed.
Man was taking things into his own hands.

[jagged pier]

hate ppl like that in pugs

we gunna time anyway whats the point in trying to time it 1 min faster

[blazing condor]

gotta go fast

[storm fractal]

Hey guys, How do you feel this expansion is looking for a player who's only played classic prior to jump in a give retail a first time go? Reasonably competent player by classic standards.

[wintry nymph]

Doesn't really matter if you've played classic or not. Just go ahead and give it a spin

see if you like it

^^

expansion is looking to be fun

so just try it out and see for yourself

[spark verge]

Classic andy's oh no

[storm fractal]

Haha, there are pros and cons to both. Trying to get my head around all the new features like Keys etc

[storm fractal]

Looking like the Alliance side is more populated in Australia, Will my race make much of an impact if I try and go full sweat in Mythic + and raiding?

[ionic fern]

Lets put it this way.
I played some Classic coming from Retail and i felt bored as hell.

With nothing to do.

[ionic fern]

No.

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