yea
#protection
tidal nimbus
i think doing all the WQs on all chars each week is like
300K ish a week?
so ncie amount
cerulean tusk
If you want gold: Go tank early season, sell boost runs, profit bigtime
Use that fund to last the remainder of the expansion
plush tendon
people who can do +10 week 1 and carry are gonna make a nice haul
maiden ravine
Boosting is absolutely the most gold but I personally find that whole economy distasteful so I tend to stay away
plush tendon
we have the equivalent of boomers in WoW; just a bunch of casual players sitting on piles and piles of gold from the last 20 years
and they need to spend it on something
maiden ravine
Eh, most people with massive piles of gold at this point are boosters or people who buy tokens
cerulean tusk
Lets be real here, boomers buying boosts, because time is limited - time is money, and we got plenty of money
plush tendon
Eh, most people with massive piles of gold at this point are boosters or people ...
you are only scratching the surface my dude
maiden ravine
I think a lot of people have spent their WoD gold. I know I have barely increased my gold from my WoD days
plush tendon
boosters make decent gold
cerulean tusk
The real sharks are the AH players tho
plush tendon
but people who play the AH as their main content or advertise dwarf boosters
maiden ravine
All I've heard from those folks is region wide ah killed their money
plush tendon
I think it killed gold traders
cerulean tusk
Ye, it made markets harder to lock down. But it did far from kill off profits. Just less easy to get into it.
plush tendon
could get a nice return for exchanging server gold around
cerulean tusk
If you just want easy gold tho - boosting, is the most efficent way. Without going through loops and hoops.
plush tendon
idk man, guys who play AH for fun should take those skills and start a investment firm or something
cerulean tusk
The guy I know that does it, does it as his job as well. I just cant see the fun in it.
Just want number to go up. Same as I want my ilvl, I guess
plush tendon
World of Wallstreet
jagged gust
The only market I'm willing to play is Neopets
maiden ravine
I just don't have the ambition to care about money that much
plush tendon
but for most players, a couple of sessions of boosting is plenty to give gold for consumes and the like
maiden ravine
I have like 2.5 million in WoW and that's enough to last me forever
plush tendon
yea, 2.5 mil is more then plenty
left escarp
I have like 300k and it's lasted me. T_T
maiden ravine
Sure I don't have some of the super expensive mounts but those are just cosmetics
plush tendon
I also used to boost for people who I knew were good players, but it was worth it to them to buy a boost to join a group that wouldnt troll them for weeklies
rich people SMH
tidal nimbus
fair
ive never done boosting
cerulean tusk
You would be suprised, most players who buy boosts are not bad players. Heck, most of them are better than the boosters.
It is just a question of time efficeny
plush tendon
people can also boost if they are M+ players, but want a certain item from the raid
or mount collectors, so they snag a boost to get the raid mount
tidal nimbus
problem is im planning to buy enchants for all my gear for the first raid
even if that gear will be replaced
mainly so i can pump as much as possible
cerulean tusk
You will need around 1mill then, should last you
plush tendon
theres usually a lesser version of the best enchant
cerulean tusk
As first week, enchants will be 100k ish
plush tendon
that are significantly less expensive and only marginally worse
plush tendon
Ill gimp my pump to save some dollars
tidal nimbus
As first week, enchants will be 100k ish
yea thats what im mainly worried about
grim pilot
You would be suprised, most players who buy boosts are not bad players. Heck, mo...
Exaggeration
cerulean tusk
A bit, sure
plush tendon
tidal nimbus
so im going for one million
grim pilot
A massive bit
tidal nimbus
dps
grim pilot
Most of the people who buy boosts are people who wouldnt be allowed to boost
lusty grotto
youre gonna have garbage loot anyway
grim pilot
And the bar for that is extremely low
cerulean tusk
Tell me about it
grim pilot
Ksm, 2k, portals, x rio
cerulean tusk
Are there any requirements nowdays?
plush tendon
youre gonna have garbage loot anyway
yea, but my garbage loot is gonna sparkle
cerulean tusk
Feel like I am playing with the boosties really
tidal nimbus
waste of money the first week
maybe
lusty grotto
not maybe
plush tendon
these are a example of this season's "requirements" to boost
obviously the higher dungeon level = bigger payouts
cerulean tusk
Meh, always go for the overpaid low ones, ez in and out
plush tendon
first couple weeks of a expansion though... those 10 keys are gonna be gold for lots of players
grim pilot
these are a example of this season's "requirements" to boost
What community is this
cerulean tusk
First few weeks is a different story for sure
plush tendon
What community is this
The Collective (not advertising, just bringing context <3)
grim pilot
It seems a bit weird but justified when it comes to how mich rio to boost specific keys
grim pilot
The Collective (not advertising, just bringing context <3)
Is that eu
lusty grotto
NA
cerulean tusk
Nah, EU takes what creeps and crawls into the feed
cerulean tusk
not bad for being such a big place
grim pilot
Nah, EU takes what creeps and crawls into the feed
Most of the time I just boost to make weeklies on alt
Idk
I tank
cerulean tusk
Same
plush tendon
U cant deplete +9
you havnt tried hard enough
cerulean tusk
Nah, basically not - but, man do I get triggered by the boosters being shit
grim pilot
you havnt tried hard enough
No its legit
plush tendon
grim pilot
Impossible
Unlees you have 3 other dps players do same dps as u on tank
Collectively
cerulean tusk
Being top DPS as tank in a boost run, is kinda too common
Then being 55%+ of the DPS as a DPS, it also quite common
Its hell'o'world
grim pilot
I depleted 1 +9 and its only because we had piss dps afk buyer I was on an alt and it was incorporeal tyrannical week
All the stars alligned
6 mins yazma before incorp finished me
cerulean tusk
Luckily, I cant bash on you then
grim pilot
Are equally shit
cerulean tusk
Ye - it is grim atm, ngl, the Augusto one seemed to be on the right track tho
cerulean tusk
Yarps, also you prob got some regulars if I had guess
jade parcel
lusty grotto
see pins
proper roost
PROT WARRIOR IS SO BACK
lusty grotto
go back to sleep kanga
dusky canopy
NEVER LEFT
proper roost
i can realive to healslut for 11.0 baby!!
no wait they just shot holy paladin in the back. ok nvm bye
lusty grotto
i mean hpal didnt get dunked on that much
and rsham is comfy
no interest in doing rsham again?
tribal wharf
PROT WARRIOR IS SO BACK
proper roost
i don't have 50 cool transmogs on my rsham
lusty grotto
smh nerd
proper roost
but maybe
everyone hates playing shamans
lusty grotto
also thats yogi, he made a new account
proper roost
nice
tribal wharf
ya, i did let everyone know at the time
proper roost
👍
tribal wharf
i tried to "deadname" yogi, but it didnt work
or my attempts to get away from doom memes
proper roost
i respect your new name and will not deadname you
especially since it's rad as hell.
tribal wharf
i changed it from deathray TO yogi, because i hated all the negativity around "death" is the first word of it
and its like, edgelord name
so its like, lmao, wtf do
both names stuck WAY too hard
proper roost
edginess is not necessarily negative
tribal wharf
i think, they would think im a jerk, if i saw them in like 2003-7 ish RS, due to the name
strong forum
tribal wharf
edginess is not necessarily negative
i felt like it possibly led to more negative than positive conversations
overall, across all things
so it was like, experiment
lusty grotto
proper roost
its like 2 months late but what was the yap consensus on TWW S1 dungeon rotation
i only played like half a season of SL so I never learned how to do the mists maze
dusky canopy
Melee hell
lusty grotto
NW is kinda chill, even more this time around
TWW's 4 dungeons are meh
Siege is slightly better but still siege, which is bottom tier
lusty grotto
stonevault
dusky canopy
What a mess
proper roost
i kinda liked necrotic wake but I also played a survival hunter in s3
dusky canopy
Yes!
lusty grotto
Grim Batol is actually a good dungeon
tribal wharf
fort necrotic wake is horrific
tribal wharf
mostly the giant skeletal mages
proper roost
isn't it long? all i remember about GB is that it's really long
lusty grotto
surprising
proper roost
and I really hate the flying dragon bit
tribal wharf
people will fuck up GB, 100000000000% chance it will happen
lusty grotto
its average and on pace with most keys nowadays
tribal wharf
i garuntee it a billion times over
lots to fuck up, but pretty 4 head dungeon
boss 2, boss 3, trash 4, boss 4 pain points
sort of boss 1 boss 1 for pain points for tank
proper roost
yeah i mean the last time I did it was like in 2010 or whatever when cata released so 🧓
proper roost
you have never seen me log onto cata classic
tribal wharf
oh yeah, also boss 2 phase changes tanks and healers die
lusty grotto
hmm ok i stand corrected
lusty grotto
yogi those bosses arent even similar to the OG cata versions
all of them have new abilities
next season
tribal wharf
oh ya, they update it more than just 1 new spell?
lusty grotto
for the most part
tribal wharf
boss 3 isnt dragon and wizard with purple cookie of death and dragon fire of death?
does a slow
tribal wharf
oh ya, ok
good chance to use that dungeon to recap events of dragon flight,
whole place is drakanoids
lusty grotto
its actually a decently designed rework
which, again, is super surprising
considering their DF reworks lmao
tribal wharf
final boss i remember being hard upon release, but mostly skill issue cuz players didnt get on the add at door quick enough
joke end of expand
tribal wharf
well, if boss 2 the forge dude is mostly the same, hes gunna be a big crying point for the whole team and dungeon
proper roost
dont lie
ok actually i just realized it was a lie
I did a bunch of stuff on beta before giving up because blizz doesn't care about classic
however
(this is a funny story) so i did KIND OF do GB on beta
sort of
as in, I queued into a GB as healer. except they vote kicked me 2 pulls in because I said "maybe we should use CC" because the tank charged into a full pack of mobs and slowly died as I was spamming heals into him
vocal cave
does race matter at all?
tribal wharf
boss 1 has a sort of skill issue check
literal puts big arrow on u, kills anyone lined up with it, typically the targeted player.
lusty grotto
as in, I queued into a GB as healer. except they vote kicked me 2 pulls in becau...
classic andies be classic
merry sluice
The biggest impact race has is being ugly (dwarf) or cute ( 🐐 )
lusty grotto
no u
proper roost
me when i intentionally rolled NE for shadowmeld skips and then there were no shadowmeld skips in the season
lusty grotto
lmao
merry sluice
NE are pretty high in the cute totem too though
But their satellite dish ears annoy me so much lol
crystal mauve
Dwarf is the best race cause we look so cute in plate 😁
tribal wharf
u r supposed to make nelf agility class and male
cuz male does flips when jumping some times, thats an agility thingy
lusty grotto
females do flips too
waxen frigate
^
toxic pewter
i flipped 10 times in a row yesterday
bleak breach
Nice to see most of our changes have made it to live
Apb will execute be great again?
lusty grotto
what changes?
because the last patch notes are for release
so they arent live until TWW release
tranquil edge
hey ya'll, im at 504 tanking 8's atm. should a 520+ dps be able to rip aggro or am i missing something?
spamming sheild slam, tc and revenge like a mad man, mixing in my dps cd's
lusty grotto
yeah they will rip
thats a huge difference in ilvl
upgrade your bullion gholak
to max
and youll notice less agro pulling
tranquil edge
aight, doing that now. lol
lusty grotto
there will still be some agro pulling though
even at max ilvl on all equipment, because of TWW changes
should be better on tuesday
tranquil edge
okay, makes me feel better.
yeah damage buffs i think will help but nervous about survivability lol
lusty grotto
nothing to be nervous about
covert aurora
which trinks you think best for level? Greiftorch + something? doing some dungeons as tank, any sense having a def trink like rageheart or dreadplate ? or just go all dps for leveling ?
lusty grotto
people have been blowing the self sustain thing out of the water, its not that impactful
dreadplate is nice all around
rageheart = no
all totem is a good pick, signet/anvil might fall behind if youre not used to keeping them up/pulling constantly
no idea how dungeon leveling will be tbh
so keep that in mind
covert aurora
ya leveling not sure signet/anvil will be kept up, both in open world and even in new dungeons might be pulling slower with pugs than I do now
covert aurora
ya thanks
proper roost
you don't take damage in leveling dungeons, I feel like generally your speed in those is just gated by people having 3 apm
lusty grotto
dreadplates is giga dam now
but.. seeing as plates wont break on leveling dungeons he best use it pre-pull
grief + all totem are solid leveling picks
weak snow
where can i find the most offensive prot war m+ build with talents, embelishments, trinkets etc for boosting friends in 2-8 keys? 😄
hardy snow
which trinks you think best for level? Greiftorch + something? doing some dung...
grieftorch+beacon
so you can easily nuke some bosses or elites for quests or in dungeons
covert aurora
grieftorch+beacon
beacon makes me stand still, and I feel bad when I stand still 😦
but ya maybe beacon
lusty grotto
Jawor kinda does have a point
covert aurora
ya that was sort of my first question, all dps trinks or 1 dps and 1 tank/hyrbrid
hardy snow
during leveling you won't have any problems with normal mobs, while elites or some bosses, or even rares in open world, just take more time and such trinkets helps alot with them
lusty grotto
yup i agree
lusty grotto
where can i find the most offensive prot war m+ build with talents, embelishment...
just use the pinned m+ one, and move points from spellblock and bloodsurge to bloodborne, but either works
2/2 bloodborne is only good on certain dungeons like AA
not recommended for anything other than vault key meme padding
lusty grotto
there's no much difference from our standard build
shadowflame is fine, BSL can be decent, 🤷
all totem + anvil/signet
manic grief if you have dumb idiots that die and sandbag it
weak snow
alright ty 🙂
maiden ravine
I know I'm the only person excited for Colossus but I can't wait
lusty grotto
the 1 thing colossus need is better rage cycling
the concept isnt bad, it just doesnt fit
with our current rage cycling
also it feels like absolute ass for Arms as well
fallow nova
I'm pretty stoked for colossus personally.
lusty grotto
should be decently fun to use in reclears or outgeared vault keys
i aint touching it otherwise
maiden ravine
Make it give more rage from rend or something. Symbolizes bigger holes haha
lusty grotto
its not just rage gain thats the problem
revenge being a gcd delays our AM resets
it snowballs
less rage, less rage being consumed by ogcds, etc
= less Avatar resets
less wall resets
less outbursts
obviously outburst doesnt really modify revenge in any way so, perhaps its not as important
maiden ravine
It didn't feel that bad to me in beta, but I was just chasing the demolish dopamine
lusty grotto
its not a feels thing
its a fact
you are generating less rage, and are consuming it on a GCD
vs generating more rage, and consuming it on an off-gcd
you will AM reset way faster without colossus
maiden ravine
I get that. It didn't feel bad to me playing it in a dungeon.
If it's way behind on damage and tankiness that's angles they can fix. But I'm not against the concept of a slower but harder hitting rotation.
austere oar
lusty grotto
But I'm not against the concept of a slower but harder hitting rotation.
thats not at all what it is
maiden ravine
Less buff uptime, sorry. I think it's things they can fix, but regardless it was still the more fun tree for me to play.
lusty grotto
the only way they can fix it that seems reasonable is to have both SB and IP apply BSC
that way youre burning rage with the usual off-gcds, while having revenge be free
i have no fucking clue how to fix it for arms though
maiden ravine
It doesn't revolve around channeling blade storm so it already wins for me there.
lusty grotto
better not say that in #arms or #1230008337517514772
(:
plays like ass not touching it at all when i Arms
slarms only
maiden ravine
I've said it there before that I didn't like slayer arms. If the tree could work with ravager I'd be for it
chilly brook
meanwhile I hate ravager on arms
chilly brook
slarms only
SL arms was great imo
maiden ravine
I feel like people complain about demolish locking their hotbars but arms blade storm feels like an eternity
chilly brook
nah
bladestorm feels fine
wanna know why?
||because you actually have full movement|| and because they finally let you interrupt while in it
lusty grotto
slarms is slayer arms
but its similar to SL arms
so
and with hurricane gone
bladestorm is no longer a problem
maiden ravine
It's not about movement for me, it's about getting bored during it
lusty grotto
thats fine
nova mason
Won't demolish be affected by haste as well?
lusty grotto
it will
chilly brook
It's not about movement for me, it's about getting bored during it
zoomer brain
maiden ravine
Hardly
onyx hearth
Won't demolish be affected by haste as well?
thank god it will, I played no haste arms and demolish feels like a eternity
cinder nova
ALL OUR DAMAGE IS BEING BUFFED BY 30%??
ON TOP OF MORE DAMAGE
Oh ick
the Indom changes kinda reek
But I can live with it
lusty grotto
ionic fern
<:ZOOMEReyes:721123810992062506> ALL OUR DAMAGE IS BEING BUFFED BY 30%??
It was announced..ages ago.
lusty grotto
hence slowpoke
ionic fern
I don't know what that is.
cinder nova
wym it dropped literally 12 hours ago
ionic fern
wym it dropped literally 12 hours ago
No..
cinder nova
Aren't you guys the ones that tell us not to assume anything on beta is gonna be 1 for 1?
lusty grotto
it was part of tuning, so why not?
cinder nova
idk they've changed tuning from beta and ptr when it drops on live before pretty sure
lusty grotto
beta is already a release candidate, everything goes as is
more tuning to come once TWW goes live
cinder nova
Shamans at least got skyfury
lusty grotto
they are simply merging changes in
cinder nova
🤔 I remember Nom saying the damage he was doing wasn't a whole lot different than live, was that before these changes?
Are we the murder tank now?
lusty grotto
nah, tanks are mostly balanced damage wise
it sounds surprising, because it is, but dps balancing is pretty good
defensive balancing is decent, except prot pallies are having it rough
violet ginkgo
well next week's reset
nice then, time to hit that big damage
cinder nova
Real question - do the damage changes move the needle on where Execute sits, or is the lack of refunding still keeping it in the reject bin with Revenge
ionic fern
Execute smacks.
violet ginkgo
So we execute instead of revenge on exe phase?
ionic fern
So we execute instead of revenge on exe phase?
Always have on ST.
jagged pier
its never high prio than generators
ionic fern
Generators > Spenders.
cinder nova
I WANT MY EXECUTE SPAM FROM SL BACK
ionic fern
You can't spam execute if you don't generate rage.
lusty grotto
makes sense
ionic fern
cinder nova
Yeah but we just coerce the balance guys to ghost buff Execute to give us refunded rage if it doesn't die.
Then we blast.
lusty grotto
that would def move it up
violet ginkgo
refund 50% will be nice
cinder nova
We aren't getting it, though.
ionic fern
cinder nova
Watching warrior slowly creep up on the DPS during execute in SL was hilarious, but it's pretty against the grain of what Blizz wants.
violet ginkgo
yeah we won't obviously blizz won't let warrior get more fun 😄
ionic fern
This was my Execute damage after the buffs in City of Threads m+ dungeon.
On BETA, so it includes the +15% from MT as well.
cinder nova
Wack
ionic fern
Hitting 600k.
violet ginkgo
60mil for the whole dungeon that is nice
cinder nova
Is the expectation still MT for M+ and Colo for ST/Raid?
ionic fern
In my books it's MT for both.
cinder nova
Really?
ionic fern
Cause it's the better "middle-ground".
lusty grotto
like i mentioned earlier, colossus might be the play if you wanna cheese parse maybe
ionic fern
Colossus can deal more damage, but it's bad defensively and horribly slow.
cinder nova
Is it just that demolish management is a pita?
lusty grotto
no
ionic fern
No.
lusty grotto
bad rage cycling
cinder nova
Yeah might just stay MT then. I got enough of how that felt S1 SL.
Mythic CN prog felt like I was made of wet paper.
jagged pier
youll need to play management game for rage and shield block with colossus so u may die in raid + im sure alot of u have forgotten how to do that thanks to DF
and your infinite time of not needing to care
lusty grotto
yeah
jagged pier
and thats to live as colossus let alone parse
jagged pier
like 20k ish in the perfect scenario
violet ginkgo
well then hopefully on S2 or S3 somewhere during TWW they will adjust the rage management for colossus
jagged pier
and pure ST
ionic fern
like 20k ish in the perfect scenario
It's now ~10-13k afaik.
cinder nova
Yeah, I wouldn't hate us being able to use Colossus for raid and Mountain Thane for M+.
Get all the ice cream flavors.
violet ginkgo
<:kekW:620386906634584095>
jagged pier
It's now ~10-13k afaik.
clsoe enough
ionic fern
And that's with the Jug/Execute build.
cinder nova
Oh god what
ionic fern
Which you realistically won't play in raids unless you're just parsing.
cinder nova
It's barely squeaking out a lead with jug/execute?
violet ginkgo
let's huff our daily copium 
jagged pier
back to my management message
cinder nova
Fuck that, sounds like we just hardlock MT
ionic fern
It's barely squeaking out a lead with jug/execute?
? I wouldn't call 10-13k "barely".
Pretty significant difference.
jagged pier
^
cinder nova
10-13K in ideal situations doesn't feel like it's worth the tradeoff. On a 5 minute fight that's almost 4M damage.
ionic fern
But if you're playing a "normal" raid build with both trees the difference is smaller.
ionic fern
10-13K in ideal situations doesn't feel like it's worth the tradeoff. On a 5 min...
That's why you're not parsing 100s'.
cinder nova
I have, actually.
blazing condor
lusty grotto
10-13k is massive for parsing
cinder nova
But there's an upper limit where holding out in the top 10 is just begging your raid to let you meme on like half the fights in a tier.
Like padding Xymox traps
Or Soulrend adds
lusty grotto
yes thats cheese parsing
cinder nova
There's a limit to where you're just having to cannibalize DPS output because there's only so much boss HP.
lusty grotto
sandbagging included
jagged pier
100s literally only matter during prog
cinder nova
Yeah, cheese parsing isn't really... interesting?
lusty grotto
it is for some people, i dont really care about it though
ionic fern
If it was up to me i would only raid during prog.
jagged pier
^^
ionic fern
And once all bosses are dead i'd /afk until new raid.
jagged pier
^^
cinder nova
I'd honestly rather see cheese parses struck from the record and only include what some would consider "normal" kills.
lusty grotto
thats hard to enforce
cinder nova
Precisely why they can't.
Having to keep up with that goober Za during SotFO felt like a full-time job.
jagged pier
thats hard to enforce
no nesscarily they seem to be able to track first kills
so u could maybe make a filter some how
ionic fern
Having to keep up with that goober Za during SotFO felt like a full-time job.
The who in the where?
lusty grotto
i mean sandbagging and the like Jakey
cinder nova
There was a PWarr that was pretty consistently gigaparsing in Mythic and he was usually floating in the top 3 of every fight.
Named Za.
lusty grotto
i know they can filter out add padding for sure, but thats about it
jagged pier
do u mean the chinese guy?
cinder nova
I dunno.
jagged pier
that literally just made his raid do everything else
ionic fern
Wasn't that the dude who had his raid team dancing for his parse?
lusty grotto
professional sandbaggers
cinder nova
If so, then I feel better about beating and coming within a few hundred points of damage of his parses on most encounters.
jagged pier
my guild on ghuun asked why i wasnt doing his damage, he never did 1 orb
and no one else in his raid was touching adds
i did orbs twice
cause warrior was broken for it
cinder nova
But I also had DPS that were bad enough that I could pick up slack, and sometimes our kills had a lot of dead going into a stable Execute phase so I got to just blast.
Ghuun was fun.
Last phase comfy af
jagged pier
it was good when u could SR the blobs
cinder nova
You could SR the blobs?
jagged pier
yer
cinder nova
Was it damage or just damage dodging.
cinder nova
PFFT
jagged pier
lots of damage
cinder nova
How much
jagged pier
i cant remeber
cinder nova
I got a question.
HoO last boss - the intermission just infinitely stacks him with a damage buff right.
Can you get it high enough to one-shot himself with his own Deluge cast?
Without dying to the slap before
jagged pier
drops before the tank mechanic
violet ginkgo
get me out of farm raids asap
I still wish that they just nerf 50% of the trash in raids, I mean it's cool for RP purpose rather than just pure boss rush but from boss to boss I don't think we should suffer too much when clearing adds?
ionic fern
Wait, Jakey, are you raiding then in TWW?
ionic fern
I still wish that they just nerf 50% of the trash in raids, I mean it's cool for...
Down with trash.
Remove it all.
cinder nova
Hard agree. DF raids felt like dogshit because of the ludicrous amount of tedious trash.
ionic fern
Make all raids be like this:
-Go in;
-Boss infront of you straight away;
-Kill boss;
-New boss spawns where old boss dies.
Thanks.
Maybe then Blizz would have time to deal with classes.
jagged pier
most likely wont be play warrior or prot at least i cant its too boring 
ionic fern
Instead of designing the annoying trash.
lusty grotto
thats how ffxiv is like
cinder nova
At least make minibosses worth our while by dropping loot that's like... ~5 ilvls under the current difficulty.
jagged pier
if i do
cinder nova
Separate table, nothing crazy, just shit to fill out pieces.
jagged pier
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
it is what it is, probably wont be tanking m+ i found the dungeons god aweful
and i dont like the ones they are bringing back ither
cinder nova
Oh man, the old guard is slowly retiring.
lusty grotto
hey hey hey
cinder nova
Ditto.
lusty grotto
hold up now
jagged pier
Oh man, the old guard is slowly retiring.
well they ruined the spec i enjoyed
lusty grotto
i aint retiring yet
cinder nova
I got kicked out of my prog guild week 6 into Amir and I just put the game down only to get replaced with a worse tank.
lusty grotto
(:
ionic fern
it is what it is, probably wont be tanking m+ i found the dungeons god aweful
I don't mind the new dungeons. They just seem horribly overtuned right now.
So i'll probably still tank m+.
cinder nova
They spent longer wiping on Smold with that guy than they ever did with me in any boss between Amir or AtsC
ionic fern
Jakey and Mwahi forever talking about doing m+ together in #protection and never getting around to it.
ionic fern
I can't tank as Prot infront of other Prot players.
I'll be exposed with how bad i actually am.
jagged pier
might throwing meatballs
might be punching ppl
might be mind blasting ppl
might be throw arcae missles
cinder nova
Mwahi with the wet paper towel mental.
ionic fern
Mwahi with the wet paper towel mental.
I don't know what this means.
ionic fern
might be a dragin
Don't be a dragin.
pallid quiver
I'll be exposed with how bad i actually am.
real
cinder nova
MEANS WEAK MENTAL FORTITUDE
pallid quiver
i understand this
ionic fern
MEANS WEAK MENTAL FORTITUDE
I used to be good, i promise.
But then somewhere from SL onwards i started losing interest in raiding/parsing.
cinder nova
I don't blame you.
WoW has kinda hit this extremely repetitive cycle that's hauntingly similar to itself.
pallid quiver
i was just never good in the first place
cinder nova
Like, it's always been raid, dungeons, grind, gear.
ionic fern
I just quit raiding when i got to the point where i was not annoyed anymore about not getting 99's.
cinder nova
But something about these last 3 or so xpacks...
Just feels like new wrappers on the same stuff.
jagged pier
I just quit raiding when i got to the point where i was not annoyed anymore abou...
yer but u would have just there were like 3 ppl playing prot
ionic fern
pallid quiver
he wife, life good
ionic fern
It's fine tho - haven't had to learn a new playstyle for 3 expansions in a row.
pallid quiver
good social structure
cinder nova
Oh, yeah - that'll do it.
pallid quiver
Meanwhile, most of us are left in the wastes of company of people we tolerate
but not necessarily mega enjoy
ionic fern
That's why i'm branching out to raiding as a DPS this time around.
pallid quiver
Or you're like me, and just kinda loosely hate the large majority of people you interact with in the game
cinder nova
It's fine tho - haven't had to learn a new playstyle for 3 expansions in a row.
40 years from now they give you a holo laptop and you kick open WoW, log in to your warrior, and it's just the same as you left it
ionic fern
And keeping warri as an alt/m+'er.
jagged pier
That's why i'm branching out to raiding as a DPS this time around.
what u playing?
ionic fern
Feral Druid.
cinder nova
Masochism.
pallid quiver
he gave away his humanity
ionic fern
It's something new.
cinder nova
Druid is way too many buttons for my dumb ass.
pallid quiver
hate to see it
ionic fern
And something i've always wanted to try.
pallid quiver
I think feral's neat
cinder nova
Only time I've actually enjoyed piano keyboard classes was MoP Fire Mage PVP.
ionic fern
but then i need to lvl a druid
Remix still up.
jagged pier
yer
cinder nova
The Alter Time POM Pyro Deep Freeze combo got me rock hard.
jagged pier
i did it for all the other spec basically
pallid quiver
And even if not remix, the pre-patch event levels just as fast
jagged pier
i dont wanna do it agane
cinder nova
Slowly raking someone's CDs over the coals and just solidly locking it in was so satisfying.
ionic fern
Je, leveling is annoying af.
cinder nova
Felt like a big brain.
jagged pier
and our raid has like 4 druids already
pallid quiver
become an enha shimmy sham, jakey
jagged pier
i dont like it i prefer meatballing
pallid quiver
Blizz hates you and you live the fine line between one button rotation or a fun rotation
but it fun
cinder nova
Imagine rerolling into the class that hasn't even gotten time for its rework.
That's living like a psychopath.
pallid quiver
please blizz don't let the storm build be the better build
merry sluice
I have decided
I am going to be the dps
the healer
and the tank
so I am palying bloodboil
cinder nova
Another soldier falls to temptation.
jagged pier
i have an affinity for ele shammy thats dumb i can just play it at a different lvl to other spec without much effort no clue why
cinder nova
Only through conflict do we evolve, brothers. The weak swap and will not be remembered; legends rise up and become something more.
ionic fern
And/or m+ one.
jagged pier
its sad first time i aint maining prot since vanilla
cinder nova
Cherry, you misunderstand. Warrior is the destination, not the journey.
lusty grotto
Cherry, you misunderstand. Warrior is the destination, not the journey.
says who
ionic fern
its sad first time i aint maining prot since vanilla
It's fine.
We all know you'll start maining it again one patch in.
cinder nova
Me and my schizo posting
ionic fern
Can't get away from that fast phased playstyle.
jagged pier
It's fine.
We all know you'll start maining it again one patch in.
i was about to say 1 week in
lusty grotto
🤷
cinder nova
I don't raid as anything but warrior. I think I only ever alted for PVP now that I think about it.
cinder nova
3.3.5a doing 2s as spriest and disc.
ionic fern
i think ill crumble the minute i have to pug a key
That's why i went for Feral.
So i can tank my keys.
😂
jagged pier
😂
ionic fern
Other option was Warlock.
cinder nova
MoP fire mage
ionic fern
But cba waiting for tanks.
merry sluice
Cherry, you misunderstand. Warrior is the destination, not the journey.
it was the destination. Then my GPS said recalculating after tww
cinder nova
Something about playing warrior in PVP makes me want to eat my hands.
ionic fern
But i think i know how this is going to end.
I'll raid as feral.
i'll m+ as prot.
cinder nova
Oh, the free games as ret when the WOTLK prepatch dropped and turned the spec into a god.
That was fun.
Some part of my brain just makes Protection Warrior a religion, so I never considered tanking on other classes.
But I'm okay doing PVP on them.
DPS in PVE is a snore.
And healing is... I dunno, I can't heal PVE for some reason.
PVP sure, not PVE.
ionic fern
@brisk rain had to get me 1.8k in PvP, but said i suck too much as Prot to be carried.
jagged pier
i used to get elite until DF
lusty grotto
yeah absolutely not as prot
cinder nova
Solo shuffle is a pox.
lusty grotto
prot pvp is a no go for me, fuck tank pvp
cinder nova
Sometimes it feels like your rating is just held hostage by goobers.
I wish it was just straight 2s or 3s without all the swapping, but I also understand the why for the swapping to try and suss out the most accurate representation of the "winning" players instead of just one match.
I think I liked mage PVP because it didn't feel like I was trying to claw my way into PUGs or teams.
It's always meta.
When is the last time RMP wasn't good?
pallid quiver
It's had times of not being the defining team, but due to the sheer amount of control, there's usually something you can do to try and enforce your gameplan
cinder nova
That's what I mean, though.
It may not always be the most meta, but I don't think there's been a tier where getting glad with it is a lofty assumption.
Trick is finding two other jagaloons that'll put in the work to learn how to work together.
Worst matches are always the RMP mirror
because it's just all CC
Feels like matches go nowhere and then suddenly one person explodes in like a global and a half.
But usually you can anticipate exactly when that'll happen and know for sure either they or you can't stop it.
brisk rain
<@291636646225379328> had to get me 1.8k in PvP, but said i suck too much as Pr...
Too heavy to carry
On the bright side
Tww elite set looks better
ionic fern
maiden ravine
Looking forward to rated blitz
strong forum
day1 soloQ should be funi
hardy snow
day1 soloQ should be funi
it will be hilarious
tribal wharf
wow token was 406k then 390 then like, 360k and this was all in a period of like, 36 hrs
and then i stopped watching the wowtoken
shrewd grove
should i play prot instead of brm
Prot is life. If you're strong enough
tribal wharf
if that counts as stocks, oh, prot stocks, prot stocks are always up
to the moon baby
cerulean tusk
Yep
urban bane
are prot stocks up?
in tww prot plays and ranks as well as it has most of dragonflight. play what you want.
round cliff
in tww prot plays and ranks as well as it has most of dragonflight. play what yo...
no i wont play what i want
tender cove
Hello. With upcoming expansion. If I were to create new account on oceanic instead of eu. What exactly do I lose? All achievments etc?
past meteor
Does prot use slam?
pallid quiver
Does prot use slam?
No
pallid quiver
Hello. With upcoming expansion. If I were to create new account on oceanic inste...
Should also lose any transmog, collections, mounts, reputations, friends list as well
It's effectively making a new account entirely iirc since they're different regions
tender cove
Ouff... how bad is the latency nowadays? The infrastructure I solid here, I have 1.5/1 Gbit fiber.
Not going todo any world first raiding or high keys but also dont want 2-300 ms handikap haha
pallid quiver
Depends
Heavily
Even for NA, connecting to OCE servers is usually at least 120 base ms
It's usually 200-ish after real world factors, but that's also NA to OCE
tender cove
Even for NA, connecting to OCE servers is usually at least 120 base ms
Hmm. Was similar from americas to eu. Had about 120 ingame. Exitlag made it about 100 on average.
But now I moved to asia.. think ill just sub and test a bit. I guess it isnt insanely huge but definetly meh compared to the 12 i used to get from home in eu xd
Thank you
hardy snow
wowhead has it at like 315k though
its US price I guess
hardy snow
Should also lose any transmog, collections, mounts, reputations, friends list as...
Can't you have us wow license on same b.net account?
I know we can have starter edition, but how it works for full version?
pallid quiver
Can't you have us wow license on same b.net account?
They're considered different accounts for the majority of things due to being in different regions. I thiiiink you might be able to keep it under the same B Net umbrella, but you will 100% lose all account bound progress like transmog and the like by going to a different region
stiff plover
They're considered different accounts for the majority of things due to being in...
You can have same btag for both accounts I do have them. But everything is completely separated and treated as 2 different accounts in game
fallen sedge
How the fck do I live the big pull in AV after first boss? I get annihilated every single time. Playing warrior for two weeks now but I relay struggle with this pull
strong forum
Lotta coordination with your group
You need stops on most of the frontals
Ideally the pull dies in like 40 seconds
If not, then you'll need to sweat a bit
You can fear, shockwave, stormbolt, shield charge
That way you can stop atleast 4 frontals by yourself
More if you can snipe multiple frontals with fear/shockwave
plush tendon
you really just dont want stacks to reset
you can chill with 1/2 stacks with a reset
but when you get like a 3 stack and it resets to 4 or 5.... then shit is bad
strong forum
Yeah
fallen sedge
Lotta coordination with your group
Well, I only pug so this is the first problem 😂
strong forum
Usually pugs are aware what is scary to a tank, atleast on high keys
fallen sedge
I try to stop the first four frontals and after that I start rotating through cds
But after that my health bar just melts
strong forum
If you're doing weekly level keys, then you shouldn't expect anything from your group at all
Play for yourself and things you can manage
fallen sedge
I am stuck at 13-14 at the moment, started this toon not long ago. So not relay high keys at the moment
strong forum
I mean the expansion is over in 2 weeks
fallen sedge
Sure but I decided to go with pwar for tww and want to get a little practice with it
sick sentinel
If you got beta try on there
A lot of people playing on beta, pugs hit and miss in pre patch
strong forum
Not alot of people are playing pre-patch let alone do keys
Most of us are just raid logging
Most of the good players*
tribal wharf
new doom mod came out, so im checkin that out atm
craggy harness
chilly brook
If I hop on WoW rn, it's just to do Remix daily stuff so I can get cosmetics
pallid quiver
I haven't gotten any since i still haven't capped on remix myself
I hit a mega point of "cba" once I started touching tinkers
Which is funny that I'd have been more willing to reprog.raids than tinker cheese I guess
jagged pier
Brah u never needed to prog the raids
And they keep nerfing them 😂
Even tho i bet nowadays u cant get into a raid with max gear and char
tribal wharf
Yogi playing doom
well ya, they have a new offcial doom wad out
and it comes with all the modern bells and whistles you could ever ask for, even has heated seats
pwads boring, official ID wads. hold the fuck on, put down the phone, we doomin
south zealot
How the fck do I live the big pull in AV after first boss? I get annihilated eve...
i literally just run away when i have no more stuns
lusty grotto
Yeah just LoS it
mellow bridge
I try to stop the first four frontals and after that I start rotating through cd...
you can los the end of the cast and it wont do anything but go on cd
dusky canopy
How the fck do I live the big pull in AV after first boss? I get annihilated eve...
Get Spell Block
Rotate through your own stops then chill in Splock
past meteor
Any good guides for prot warrior?
lusty grotto
wowhead and icyveins
cerulean tusk
He asked if there are any good ones 
pallid quiver
Brah u never needed to prog the raids
What I mean is I'd be more willing to play if there was progging raids than it is in remix where there isn't prog in the slightest
heady osprey
at 529 ilvl can i just walk into a high key and roll my face across the keyboard and win? never tanked in my life and all my gear is set up for dps
heady osprey
hmm was going to say 15 but prob will do a bit lower to start
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter if your gear is set up as dps
what matters is you keep shield block up and not get butt hit
the farther you get from 95% to 100% shield block uptime and effective uptime, the worse youre playing
also you need to know what to spell block
so maybe try a 10 or vault key first
grim pilot
hmm was going to say 15 but prob will do a bit lower to start
Go do a 10
If you never tanked and u dont know how pwar works you might struggle first key if you go do a 15
lusty grotto
wanton cape
i keep loosing aggro when doing m+ with higher ilvl, is this normal lol?
vivid orchid
if youre undergeared compared to your party yes
wanton cape
lol
grim pilot
So is fury warrior
wanton cape
i see
grim pilot
But likely (since hes gearing its a fair assumption he doesnt know how to play fdk very good) he’s not pressing his buttons well and u could also do it better
Either way I wouldn’t be too worried atm, you can post a log or ignore since tww is very soon
wanton cape
But likely (since hes gearing its a fair assumption he doesnt know how to play f...
ah well its an alt, im pretty sure he knows how to play frost
lusty grotto
agro problems at similar ilvls are common right now after the prepatch
it'll get better next reset
just max your gholak
it'll help a lot
and if you dont have a gholak, get one with bullions and max it
unborn dragon
I'd like to add that DPS also needs to give you time for threat. If dudes are blasting CDs before you even have shit grouped they deserve to be meleed to death
lusty grotto
obviously
unborn dragon
You'd think it's obvious but it's not for the meter chasers
lusty grotto
yes but its obvious for us
we're not in a dps channel
if they blast and you lose agro, they are on their own
not your problem
but thats not the problem right now, prepatch added a lot of abilities amped up
grim pilot
Instinctively you will try to regain aggro even if youre pulling more
Which can fuck u up
lusty grotto
its advice when there's stable content
unborn dragon
?
unborn dragon
Okay but if shit is overtuned that means it's even MORE relevant. Not less.
lusty grotto
i suppose so
unborn dragon
Like fury warriors in particular gotta chill out for a few seconds or they will insta rip aggro from even the most geared tanks.
strong forum
i only gather pulls with minimal amount of hits
if a dps goes and blasts
their issue not mine
lusty grotto
^
unborn dragon
That's what I said yeah
strong forum
i rarely get dps tho that die to aggro
legit havent had a clown like that in forever
lusty grotto
you arent playing prepatch
strong forum
ofc not
lusty grotto
neither have i
strong forum
only demons play prepatch keys rn
lusty grotto
but its a recurring topic since prepatch hit
lusty grotto
since talents got half-pushed in, so FDKs are fucking blasting and fury is rocking 2pc 2pc
strong forum
playing clearly overtuned (for prepatch) classes
yeah im aware
and as arms i do more damage than the furies
which is funny
lusty grotto
lmaooo
lusty grotto
im not surprised
strong forum
like arms rn is the best dps in prepatch
(until next week when MS and OP get nerfed by 20%)
grim pilot
i only gather pulls with minimal amount of hits
Thing with sp is you kinda have to do some hits on the first movs if its big pull
strong forum
but also
grim pilot
So lets just say
strong forum
SP IN PREPATCH LMAOOOO
grim pilot
Immolation aura initial burst is not enough
strong forum
that spec is dead until TWW
strong forum
oh right youre still pushing
grim pilot
Well whoever is
lusty grotto
what is there to push season has been over for more than a month though
strong forum
if its not a 20+
dusky canopy
Bro doing the last minute io push for easy invites week 1 TWW
grim pilot
20 deaths guaranteed
lusty grotto
oh the cell skips
grim pilot
In pug groups
strong forum
doesnt matter until 20s
lusty grotto
im with myrt on this one
dusky canopy
what is there to push season has been over for more than a month though
That 3300+ score “previous season” looks enticing to pugs
strong forum
if we can time BH15 with 4.5 warriors on afflicted week and like 46 deaths
dusky canopy
Duhhh
grim pilot
before that you just shred the pack in 0.3seconds
U shred the pack
lusty grotto
yeah plate is fine vs hunters
grim pilot
In human groups
lusty grotto
hunters just delete casters
grim pilot
U have to speak relatively
dusky canopy
Hunter pumps
grim pilot
if we can time BH15 with 4.5 warriors on afflicted week and like 46 deaths
Thanks for clarifying
grim pilot
4.5
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
Got gott
lusty grotto
lmaooo
lusty grotto
i remember this
grim pilot
Figuring out how to release
lusty grotto
you mentioned it here
strong forum
literal passenger princess
strong forum
(nice try bucko)
grim pilot
Its so fun playing vdh after playing pwar
Everyone dead on 21 ruby first pull and u have to solo tank it? No problem
Pwar? Problem
strong forum
literally any tank that isnt VDH
has that problem
BDK can only tank it for so long before 2 icebolts line up
strong forum
or you accidentally pulled a juggernaut
strong forum
grim pilot
U didnt play with myrtdecay