ive gone my life without hamstring and without issues
#protection
blazing condor
tribal wharf
ya, there are definitely better buttons to hit for most part or someone covers the hamstring
pallid quiver
I lived life on the PvP realm streets
I don't feel safe without hamstring bound, even if its PvE uses are pretty much nilch, especially with TC slow being grabbable ezpz
phone i will beat you to death if you put the wrong its again
tribal wharf
the time i can recall actively using it was for the part of the market and u have the guy with the leash following ur guy with the item, and i used that becuase it lasted longer, letting them get to the merchant
but if the player was good, this wasnt really needed anyways, normal slows would cover it
trail vigil
Thanks for the help. I think I'll get a WeakAuras too and hopefully that'll make it easier as well.
tribal wharf
in tazavesh
keen leaf
out of curiousity, how much more dmg is battle stance vs defensive stance now?
violet ginkgo
I think right now with crackling thunder (the talent for AOE and extra slow) we are safe to not use hamstring.
tribal wharf
i really honestly think they should just remove regular slam and WW from prot
trail vigil
Where do y'all keep your longer CD abilities? Things like Last Stand or Spell Block? I'm trying to find comfortable places for these buttons.
violet ginkgo
I mean everybody is different...
trail vigil
I have 1-10, then Shift+7-10, and that already feels too convoluted lol
strong forum
Whatever you have place for on your keybinds
trail vigil
I know, I'm just curious what other people do.
strong forum
I have last stand on shift + mouse5
violet ginkgo
you can still bind the Q, E, R, T, F, V add the shift into those.
jagged pier
shift 3 fir LS 5 for SW
strong forum
And spellblock on.... Shift mouse4 I think
jagged pier
spell block is control e
my only contol bind so i still have a lot of them to unlock
tribal wharf
shame i didnt know they had free days for 3 days when it launched :S
trail vigil
Gotcha! Thanks.
Oh, there's that many buttons for shaman? I heard Monk has a similar situation
strong forum
My warri has like 45
violet ginkgo
My warri has like 45
Is this skill only or include the mount and some other non combat related?
strong forum
Everything included
Except like UI stuff
But racial, mount, heartsthones, consumables
violet ginkgo
ah ok make sense then, I thought what kind of skill reach 45 hahaha
strong forum
Warri alone needs I think like 33?
tribal wharf
if i dont have to click it more than once an hour, its a click button
mount, food, uhhh, profession
bunch of mounts but i throw all those buttons there
late wasp
If I don't have to click it more than once an hour it goes on an Opie ring
wooden lotus
If you're in melee, it casts hamstring. If you're out of melee, you charge. If you target a friendly and you're spec'd into Intervene, you Intervene. Saves you a few buttons.
#showtooltip Charge
/use Prismatic Bauble
/cast Charge
/cast Intervene
/cast Hamstring
/cancelaura Bladestorm
Oh and you fart rainbows when you charge if you have the toy.
blazing condor
also if you cheat and you have bladestorm active it cancels it
trail vigil
Cool, thanks! đ
remote tusk
If you're in melee, it casts hamstring. If you're out of melee, you charge. If y...
where mouseover 
chilly brook
@lusty grotto holy moly dude savage is wild
lusty grotto
i like the fights
but they are way simpler than other tiers
ive done the M1S and M2S
working on M3S
but PF is sussy even data center traveling to Aether
that being said i like the new approach
for a first tier
simpler, no fucking limit cuts which were overused last exp, body checks arent as huge, no huge amount of head calculations/puzzle/math, and the enrages are forgiving
plus
the fights are fucking fun and the theme will take a while to get old
chilly brook
I mean itâs a whirl for me having never done FF content and only having done stuff thatâs WoW or WoW adjacent
lusty grotto
doing same bait?
chilly brook
We also decided to go in blind
lusty grotto
or is it blind prog?
ohhh
thats always funner
50% is pretty good
did you get to mouser?
chilly brook
Only thing we grabbed from the internet were markers
lusty grotto
im guessing you did
chilly brook
Uhhh not sure
lusty grotto
ok nice, that was good prog for you guys then
chilly brook
We got past that and we stopped after seeing the new clone mechanics
lusty grotto
once you solve those next clone mechs, the fight is basically over
well
you still have 1 more mech but its not hugely complex
i wish fucking lockouts werent a thing in either game goddamn
it boils my blood
chilly brook
I went with 2.08 SAM
lusty grotto
EEp
chilly brook
Feels like Iâm ZOOMING
lusty grotto
i cant do low gcd
i hate it
fucking xiv netcode is ass
i clip so much with spell speed/skill speed builds
chilly brook
As someone who is learning I uhhh really donât want to deal with having a different loop every minute
Thatâs the shitty thing about 2.14
chilly brook
Every loop is different until the 6 minute mark
lusty grotto
thats not what i mean though
ogcd clipping
is what i mean
but that comes from BLM
austere oar
is tanking interesting in this game ?
lusty grotto
no not really
lusty grotto
its fun, but not "interesting"
austere oar
FF *
chilly brook
Less so than wow imo
lusty grotto
yup
dpsing is the most interesting role
healing is only interesting in raids
and tanking is easy and not complex (in either content)... until you want to parse as a tank in raid
thats coming from someone that has played xiv for a while, but always with WoW as a primary game
this exp im mostly PFing cause my last exp's static folded after we were done with EW
austere oar
I always tried to get into it but had trouble because of how slow it feels compared to wow
never could reach endgame
sick sentinel
Tanking is the best after being a dps for a long time having to deal with pug tanks so you take it upon yourself to carry the party and feels better than being a DPS that didn't get a heal in the red circle
Survive - Do dps - Lead the team to victory
lusty grotto
I always tried to get into it but had trouble because of how slow it feels compa...
yeah thats a common complaint with WoW players (it happened to me in 2.0)
it gets better as you level up and discover off-gcd weaving
sick sentinel
Oh different game
lusty grotto
a lot better
sick sentinel
Final fantasy tanking sucks ass
lusty grotto
either way they have made changes on what skills you get etc while leveling
so it will be different if you pick it up again
lusty grotto
SAM is very similar to our class
as a dps
WAR is kind of a combination of prot/bdk
(but thats a tank)
lusty grotto
SAM (samurai) or RPR (reaper) are super excellent picks for WoW players
austere oar
can you play these as new player ?
lusty grotto
as far as casters go, SMN (summoner) is pretty easy to get into
mmm... im not sure
they might be
sam was a 3rd expansion job, but i have no fucking clue how its unlocked nowadays
and reaper was last expansion
so might be unlocked later?
summoner you can do right from the start i think
bard is also a decent one as ranged physical
only do the main story quest to level, fuck the sidequests those do nothing
main story quest = MSQ
chilly brook
I always tried to get into it but had trouble because of how slow it feels compa...
Game feels slow until like 50-60 and then it ramps continually from there
A lot of the openers and burst windows feel pretty frantic
slate marten
Hey folks so I've been using Dreadplate and Rageheart for M+ for this season but getting back into some raid content is it worth it to use some buillions for something like signet to replace dreadplates?
slate marten
Awesome thanks! Also thanks in general this disc has helped a ton over the past 3 seasons for me in becoming a tank!
lusty grotto
or manic grief if you have pepega deaths in your raid group
slate marten
hmm choices
lusty grotto
its fine, you should have a lot of bullions at this point
strong forum
Expansion is also over in 3 weeks, so you can freely send bullions for damage
slate marten
true, thanks folks!
sick sentinel
sam was a 3rd expansion job, but i have no fucking clue how its unlocked nowaday...
U need the expansion and to be a certain level i think or just expansion, I played SAM a lot
sick sentinel
Yeah now it is 6 months after i bought the game and now forced to sub
lusty grotto
i mean you just buy dawntrail and get everything else
sick sentinel
I quit shortly after heavensward cause I read atleast 10 novels
And yeah, I had free trial, then bought the game for samurai and now i have to sub to play which sucks but w/e
lusty grotto
yeah well thats how mmos work
i just mentioned the trial just in case anyone is interested
merry sluice
i just find the process of getting any character to those higher lvls where I actually get Off GCD to be miserable
especially with the level sync bullshit
plus I found the MSQ insufferable in every expac
tribal wharf
i don't understand the thing about the wowhead drama guy, gets put the spot light on him, chooses to put him self on blast,
how could you self sabotage your self like that
merry sluice
Wha
round pendant
What are you talking about yogi
fervent herald
Prot supposed to outheal the healers in a 8? I kept dying and I was doing more then the healer.
south zealot
yes you should outheal a healer
you were probably doing some things wrong without even realizing
fervent herald
dam ok
south zealot
do you have logs? could help us find what was happening
fervent herald
its alway the warrior, i do fine on my pally and dk. I pull the same mobs in rlp first 3 packs LOS and kill. My warrior is 516 ilevel . Ill work on it i guess
grim pilot
If u can provide logs itâll give better insight
grim pilot
Rlp first pull is probably the hardest pull this season in general
south zealot
yeah its pretty much between that, uldaman and some pulls in neltharus depending on if you have spellblock or not
grim pilot
Maybe 3rd boss in ulda is harder but thats just skill diffy as I always fuck up that
fervent herald
im running augury and grieftorch should i go more defenseive?
vivid orchid
trinkets wont save you from dying to basic mistakes
we can't say for sure what youre doing wrong
not without a log
fervent herald
ok ill log them to show thanks guys
lusty grotto
are you pressing spell block?
and then walling when spell block is down?
that pull is pure spell block amazingness
violet ginkgo
WAR is kind of a combination of prot/bdk
I don't mind this kind of combo if I ever think to touch FF14
lusty grotto
đ¤ˇ
like i said tanking dungeons is very easy and not complex
its not really rewarding gameplay
you just do it cause tanks are very fast queues
but not as fast as healer insta queues
violet ginkgo
Ahhhh always like that in MMO right, DPS queue for ages, tank and healer got some special treatment.
express pass
lusty grotto
dps queues are very fast in certain ones
alliance raids which are LFR equivalent usually have extremely fast ones for DPS
plush tapir
im running augury and grieftorch should i go more defenseive?
I run Dreadplate and Aug. Dreadplate is good both defensively and does decent dmg. Although in 8s you can run literally anything tbh.
blazing condor
i miss the old satchel of cooperation youd get from queuing tank
where you'd get mounts and shit
merry sluice
now bc of the infinite aug rune in s3, the previous ones have crashed in price too
I used to make a quick buck selling those after gearing a tank, and with bulliosn from lfr could've had a good chunk
fallow nova
Tank satchels have always been super lucrative for me, but yeah the rune price dropping that hard definite affected them
I remember getting like 1.5k gold for them back in WoD
tribal wharf
i was there in the good old days
when those things dropped MOUNTS
i would say there should be 3 bags, one for tank, one for healer, one for highest dps of all 5 players of dungeon (tracked and distrubuted by blizzard ai)
rather have it be something like, most damage avoided (see not stood in, etc), most dmg reduced or self healed, rather than healed,
kinda want to get on to sell some wow tokens, try to get prepped for launch day, no idea if token still 403k, but that would be nice
merry sluice
im going mmo mouse mode, oh god rebinding eveyrhting is gonna be so awkward
unborn dragon
im going mmo mouse mode, oh god rebinding eveyrhting is gonna be so awkward
My friends call me weird because I do my entire rotation on my mouse
open bluff
My friends call me weird because I do my entire rotation on my mouse
same, g600 represent
unborn dragon
same, g600 represent
Razor Naga here (I'm basic I know)
open bluff
and expensive 
(At least the nagaâs still being made, Logitech finally stopped producing the g600 so once mine dies I have to find a new goat mouse)
merry sluice
I am not a clicker, just im autistic af and muscle memory go brr
merry sluice
My friends call me weird because I do my entire rotation on my mouse
okay that I dislike the sound off lol
unborn dragon
It's not bad at all once you've adjusted
Gives me 24 keybinds (1-12, Shift+1-12) and I only have to move my thumb and my pinky
merry sluice
perhaps but I think ima keep my rotation on 1-4 keys
and just toss cc+utility (haha not on prot warrior amirite im in pain) + cds there
that still sounds like a huge QoL increase
unborn dragon
I will say I've never been a fan of mouse keybinds that ONLY work on the mouse. Naga is nice because I can still play my rotation on my keyboard if the need arises or if I need to let my wrist have a break
merry sluice
what needs arises that you have to swap hands đ¤
I got it bc i have bad arthritis plus old mouse is dying on me
so I intend to minimize how much I move my hand from wasd, so I do want mouse-only binds
blazing condor
i could play solely with one hand when i had my naga shit was dope
but i messed up my thumb tendon with it so had to switch to keyboard keybinds
fallow nova
I wound up dropping my g600 for a Redragon M913. I like it, but I miss my old Naga from 2014 with the wheel that could click left and right.
I could do like 34 comfortable binds on that thing
unborn dragon
what needs arises that you have to swap hands đ¤
I got it bc i have bad arthri...
Gotta pet dat dawg
tribal wharf
i still have the same old spaceship g502 hero
see no point of mmo mouse when KB also required
chilly brook
see no point of mmo mouse when KB also required
Because you have a limited amount of keys on the keyboard that are both easily hit and donât require extra modifiers. Also having two hands that can hit buttons>one hand especially for things that are usually time sensitive
Interrupts/cleanse/CDs/anything off the gcd are easier to hit with your other hand instead of having to have your left hand do piano work to hit them while also doing rotation
merry sluice
i could play solely with one hand when i had my naga shit was dope
Weâre warriors, not paladins, why play one handed smh
I just tested it a bit with my BDK. Keeping rotation and movement on Kb
But putting both taunts, dnd, sleet, amz, def CDs, and consumption+bonestorm on mmo buttons
Alongside some utility like potions and deaths advance and it just feels so much smoother to play
tribal wharf
i wonder if the 400k wow token is forever gone now, sinks to 200k after the launch
was 403, heard its 390 now
chilly brook
i wonder if the 400k wow token is forever gone now, sinks to 200k after the laun...
Itâs all based on demand
Itâll likely go up in price when TWW officially launches
tribal wharf
i have an inkling it went BRRR cuz the free weekend + bank shit
like, u mean i get less gold out of it? i always think of this in terms of "how much gold i get out"
chilly brook
It will be worth more at expansion launch
tribal wharf
mmm im not sure i think it will settle at like 300k launch/ post launch
chilly brook
Big patch releases, new blizzard game pre-orders and blizzard game releases are all times when the token spikes in price
You can check observable trends here
merry sluice
Donât you get a month of game time when you buy expac? Wouldnât it make more sense to go up slightly after expac release when people realize they need to resub soon?
chilly brook
Donât you get a month of game time when you buy expac? Wouldnât it make more sen...
No because people can use gold to convert to balance to buy the expansion
merry sluice
Rip idk shit about tokens I got my gold made from a handful of myth BoEs this expac
chilly brook
Generally price of the token becomes stable from launch until about 2 months after
Then it drops
chilly brook
?
toxic pewter
been doin a lot of pvp
doing a lot of pvp dk's and ele shamans
very very annoying
merry sluice
I donât pvp, but im looking at my BDK next pack so Iâm chill with being a scourge
chilly brook
Blizz doesnât actually care about PvP
merry sluice
I mean Iâve always had a DK, I just like theTWW changes, even just the pre patch tree feels nicer than before
chilly brook
And even if they did, they donât have the balls to do whatâs actually needed to make it a healthy game mode
merry sluice
Especislly the lower CD on DRW, and consumption is a fun tool
chilly brook
Truly the best course they could take for PvP is to give it the FFXIV treatment
6-8 buttons or so for every spec and a truly separately balanced experience
At the moment there are simply too many things to keep track of and learn in PvP. Itâs just not good for replenishing a dwindling player base.
toxic pewter
at least bladestorm actually hits sort of hard now
rose pier
Hey. How are we looking the tww ?
austere oar
one of the 6 tanks for sure
ionic fern
Good.
We just received a damage buff, which went a long way.
So we're in a solid place.
tribal wharf
You can check observable trends here
STONKS
i did check that page out, cuz i couldnt see "buy a wow token" in shop i think, cuz no sub
yup, 364, rip lol
keen leaf
you have to log in to see the wow tokens, cant see it from char screen
fallow nova
Did they ever make pwar even mildly viable in pvp?
I haven't touched it in forever, but last I looked into it our spec was completely kneecapped.
fallow nova
Back in the day I used to find it fun to run in bgs just to screw with casters and set them up for getting mown down
They took some big survivability nerfs a good whole back though and the damage output was garbo
sick sentinel
Listen up, scrubs. If you think playing DPS or healer in World of Warcraft makes you a hero, think again. Real heroes play tanks. Hereâs why:
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Leadership: Tanks are the natural leaders of any group. We set the pace, pull the mobs, and make the calls. Without us, youâd be wandering aimlessly, wiping on trash mobs.
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Survivability: While DPS are busy padding their meters and healers are spamming their heals, tanks are the ones taking the hits and surviving. We laugh in the face of danger while you cower behind us.
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Responsibility: Tanks carry the weight of the group on their shoulders. One wrong move from us, and itâs a wipe. DPS can slack off, healers can miss a heal, but tanks? We have to be perfect.
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Skill: It takes real skill to manage threat, position mobs, and use cooldowns effectively. DPS just mash buttons, and healers play whack-a-mole with health bars. Tanks are the true masters of the game.
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Respect: Everyone respects a good tank. We get instant queues, priority invites, and all the loot we want. DPS and healers? Youâre just there to make us look good.
So next time you think youâre hot stuff because you topped the DPS meters or saved the raid with a clutch heal, remember this: tanks are the backbone of every group. Without us, youâd be nothing.
lusty grotto
sick sentinel
Straight facts
lusty grotto
is that copy pasta material?
you also forgot tank ego is bullshit and shouldn't exist
but i suppose that goes against the copy pasta
Listen up, scrubs. If you think playing DPS or healer in World of Warcraft makes you a hero, youre right. Real heroes play anything. Hereâs why:
- Tank ego is bullshit, and if you have it you need to be humbled the fuck down
fixed it
sick sentinel
is that copy pasta material?
Oh boy, where do we start with Nimchip? This guy couldnât hold aggro if his life depended on it! Watching Nimchip tank is like watching a lemon try to tank a raid bossâsour and utterly ineffective. He forgets his cooldowns, stands in fire, and loses threat to the healer. Itâs a miracle the group doesnât wipe every pull! Nimchip, buddy, maybe itâs time to hang up that shield and stick to something simpler, like picking lemons. đ
weary saddle
Sounds like AI written. reminds me of Grok
lusty grotto
Oh boy, where do we start with Nimchip? This guy couldnât hold aggro if his life...
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Raider.IOs, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Mythic parsing groups, and I have over 300 confirmed 100% parses. I am trained in pro-sandbagging and I'm the top prot warrior in the entire game. You are nothing to me but just another noob. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of theorycrafting nerds across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Skyhold discord and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
always a classic
sick sentinel
I can feel the ronin in that one
Your personality is that of a rabid Chihuahua intent on destroying its own tail. Your powers of observation are akin to those of the bird that keeps slamming into the picture window trying to get that other bird it keeps seeing. You are walking, talking proof that you don't have to be sentient to survive, and that Barnum was thinking of you when he uttered his immortal phrase regarding the birth of a sucker. You are, at varying times, tedious, boring, and even occasionally earth shatteringly hilarious in your idiocy, routinely childish, moronic, pathetic, wretched, disgusting and pitiful.
strong forum
idk this version of mage tower is easy 4 me but i have severe psychosis and whenever i play wow i just sort of zone out like im not in my body and im just playing my character on auto pilot or something dodging mechanics and doing big dam its pretty crazy but thats just who i am
lusty grotto
hahahaha
tribal wharf
Listen up, scrubs. If you think playing DPS or healer in World of Warcraft makes...
Hey GojiWan,
Listen up. If you think tanking makes you the ultimate hero in World of Warcraft, think again. Real heroes? DPS. Hereâs why:
Precision: We ensure mobs go down quickly and efficiently. Mastering rotations and managing cooldowns isnât button mashingâitâs an art.
Adaptability: We switch between single-target and AoE, interrupt crucial spells, and adjust our positioning constantly. Versatility is key.
Support: Weâre not just damage dealers. We kite mobs, off-heal, and use utility spells to save the group. We're always ready to step up.
Competition: Facing fierce competition, we push to be the best. Our drive ensures faster, smoother encounters.
Strategy: A good DPS understands the encounter, plans movements, and coordinates with the team to maximize effectiveness.
Teamwork: WoW is a team game. Tanks, healers, DPSâall crucial. Without us bringing the pain, bosses would last forever.
So yeah, tanks are important, but donât pretend weâre just along for the ride. Respect goes both ways, my friend. See you in Azeroth.
Yogi/deathray
sick sentinel
Hey GojiWan,
Listen up. If you think tanking makes you the ultimate hero in Wor...
oh shit you are yogi
I knew it
sick sentinel
My good friend it has been some time
strange lintel
so is bsv still bugged on tww?
lusty grotto
no hasnt been bugged for a while
in live
so no reason why it should be in beta
since 5/29 basically
tribal wharf
i wonder how long into tww before we see a giga defense build pwar come in here, has both bsv spell block and the new -5%mag dmg while d stance,but they arent a troll
fallow nova
You know the old saying, the best offense is a good... wait a sec.
lusty grotto
there is already a giga defense build, its just a repeat of the s4 version
its just not posted because we're in LULPre-patch and nobody will realistically need it
im pretty sure its up on wowhead though
austere oar
yeah nome called it immortal build
cerulean tusk
Full versa to negate as much magic dam as possible 
tribal wharf
i mean i think i saw the immortal build applied it, dont think it had stand in fire talent
knotty mantle
Is champion's spear that much worse than thunderous roar?
Or more specifically - the option of augmenting thunderous roar as you can get both if you don't get any nodes after thunderous roar
urban portal
Is champion's spear that much worse than thunderous roar?
Yes
Well at least in dragonflight
But spear wants very high burst during cds
Roar needs much less
knotty mantle
gotcha, ty
sick sentinel
do you guys use bigwigs or dbm? (is one better than the other?)
merry sluice
I'd largely say its preference
I use dbm bc I chose to use dbm first
sick sentinel
Ah I see . thank u.
cinder nova
I assume the overall nerf to our bleeds makes Fervid Bite a lot less sexy?
I mean, it's still a ton of damage, but it feels like less.
Could be cope.
ionic fern
cinder nova
Answer me you blue bastard.
ionic fern
I was semi-afk for 2 weeks.
So i honestly don't know what bleed nerf you're talking about.
ionic fern
Oh, you mean that one.
Jessas, that was a long time ago.
Yeh, but it's w/e.
Fervid goes away soon anyways.
And pre-patch is dead.
cinder nova
Don't make me play spear 
I honestly hated spear playstyle with a fucking passion during SL
cinder nova
That's what I mean.
I don't wanna.
I hated it, the meta change to Necro made my shield so hard.
cinder nova
Does spear still staple shit to the floor
ionic fern
YEs.
cinder nova
Feels like Spear is just gonna be the more meta play, then, if only for the utility of what that can do.
ionic fern
But you don't need to be in the spear effect anymore for the crit buff.
cinder nova
Except on maybe Sanguine.
ionic fern
I also enjoy Roar more, ngl.
lusty grotto
sanguine is gone
ionic fern
But the initial burst you do with Spear + Demo Shout + Avatar into 2 TB is HUUUUUUUUUUUGE.
hardy snow
my warband is done from tmog perspective, now just to finish leveling them 
blazing condor
copy paste
hardy snow
yea, I will add some color versions of this tmog later đ
jolly bough
Do we drop bloodsurge if we want to take disrupting shout in m+ right now?
ionic fern
shell fox
i got one in s1 df lol
strong forum
yeah so basically
jagged pier
well for bosses u have the ingame general
shell fox
not every mob but m+
strong forum
kick bad, dont stand in bad, turn bad away from group
thanks for listening to my TLDR
chilly brook
My goodness man
jagged pier
shell fox
what?
shell fox
not powepoint lol
chilly brook
Thatâs quite literally a PowerPoint slide
jagged pier
u needed a powerpoint for onyxia?
shell fox
i mean... just the basic to know the dungeon better]
yeah it was hardcore and 40 people
jagged pier
its onyxia
jagged pier
it can be 5 maned
shell fox
ok guys thanks.
ionic fern
chilly brook
Best way to learn the new content is to just do it imo
chilly brook
Thereâs no real downside to just going and doing it early on
Itâs only going to be up to m0 for like 2 weeks
ionic fern
so why theres a sheet explaining spell reflects?
Because SR is inconsistent and experimental.
Bosses are not.
They are scripted.
chilly brook
so why theres a sheet explaining spell reflects?
Because thatâs a specific mechanic that doesnât have consistency
chilly brook
Like the âriskâ of the dungeons weâre going to have is going to be fairly low on the initial ramp of the expansion
I doubt youâll âneedâ a guide to be able to complete them on the available difficulty and youâll naturally just pick up the dungeons (as well as boss mods being updated very quickly)
shell fox
yeah that is true but some people explore the deeps of beta and theres a paid service for early information.
and probably no paid service.
shell fox
thats the no paid service.
strong forum
yeah and the paid service wont be any earlier than the unpaid
so youre just being scammed
shell fox
let me find it so send it to you
strong forum
i just get reloes weakauras
chilly brook
In the grand scheme of things how valuable was that PDF?
Like how many other things do you currently have in your UI/addons that do what that PDF was supposed to do but actually better?
shell fox
ionic fern
And you paid for that?
shell fox
no
chilly brook
These are just so needlessly complicated
chilly brook
Massive page of information on Terros for âbreak rock with tank beamâ
keen leaf
kick bad, dont stand in bad, turn bad away from group
Looks like a good Pin
strong forum
nah
shell fox
early df?
strong forum
thats the issue with early guides
they just list everything
and dont point out what is actually relevant
shell fox
i have to agree with that
chilly brook
they just list everything
Most general guides I find useless because of this
I donât want or need to know healer and tank mechanics if Iâm a dps
Just tell me my role specific shit
strong forum
most fights are just legit "aim bad away, dont stand in bad, hit red healthbar"
thats like 90% of heroic
and half of mythic if not more
merry sluice
The biggest issue I see with people tanking myth terros is just tanks trying to follow the DPS movement pattern.
Tanks being told dps mechs is more of a hinderance in that fight bc it means some random ass DK is gonna try to make a mad dash to move with dps stack, then whip their frontal over the group as they waddle their slow ass to the other side
Legit just say tank do own thing break rock
chilly brook
Real
I want another Raden (Nyalotha version) fight
Kite strat to skip orbs was goated
chilly brook
Look
There is a difference
Kiting because you have to and kiting because it allows for you to manipulate a mechanic in a new way are very different things
And it was hardly a required thing
strong forum
yeah but its tilt if you did it at slightly the wrong angle so the boss runs over a pebble so the boss pathing gets fucked up
chilly brook
It was also like 10? 15? Seconds as a whole in the entire fight, and personally I enjoyed having to learn the movement of it
strong forum
and he does a small uturn
chilly brook
Never had an issue with him getting fucked by terrain or anything
It was just learning when/what angle to do things so he didnât eat an orb
merry sluice
I love failing my super Mario 64 Speedrun PB, bc I was facing too far to the left to BLJ through the door upstairs
tribal wharf
How dare you speak of me in such a light while i am not present.
lusty grotto
đą
tribal wharf
i would never speed run .... mario 64
lusty grotto
Fair enough
tribal wharf
also there, i said it lol
doom is great and all, but it really is over the fuck played unless its new engine+new content
i like a variety of "boomer shooters" some times i want them to be extremely punishing, or forgiving or fast paced, or slow
like to mix it up between the games i do
If i was going to speed run, it would be a variety of classic mega man games and hand picked retro nes genesis. attempted to do runs mm2 when i was lot younger.
austere oar
Who wrote the maxroll guide ?
cerulean tusk
These are just so needlessly complicated
99% of the time when ppl explain strats, I ask for a simplified version. Be it pick up feather, fly to bomb, bring bomb back down. Or a simple "dodge right when swirly apears".
Cause' very often there are like 10-15minutes of information to say: Dont stand in fire.
chilly brook
99% of the time when ppl explain strats, I ask for a simplified version. Be it p...
big same lol
I'm like "sum sum plz" and or "ignore and pick it up myself in 2 seconds after seeing the mechanic"
tribal wharf
oh god, you know what this convo is giving me horror flash backs to, boss 3 TD the bomb barrels
so many wipes on just that one fight alone
it was a really simple fight if everyone just did the thing, but they never did, only half ass
cerulean tusk
Nothing beats the raidleader yelling "run away from boss, run away"
so I do
Then I get asked why I ran away from the boss 
tribal wharf
the final boss, obviously was way way way WAYYYYYY deadlier overall, but that boss was promblematic
upper crow
Who wrote the maxroll guide ?
karmic plinth
chat gpt wrote it for sure
tribal wharf
final boss of TD destroyer of hope, depleter of keys
cerulean tusk
TD was free?
tribal wharf
yes, but until rnd 2 of "u only live twice" bullet ability
cerulean tusk
You talking about cannon boss?
chilly brook
he is
tribal wharf
then that fight went to SHIT
chilly brook
cannon boss was ez
austere oar
Thanks
cerulean tusk
It was free, you just stood on the stairs, and verticaled all the damage
tribal wharf
we usually brought at least 1 paladin for it LOL
had the paladin bubble first or whatever
chilly brook
not even necessary
tribal wharf
ya, for sure not nessecary, but make hell of aot easier for group mental lol
waxen frigate
Thinking about the time I wrote a yogi vs nimchip duel with ai
cerulean tusk
What is dn?
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
merry sluice
Do not donut
cerulean tusk
You can order donuts? wild
cerulean tusk
Oh I forgot, Nome, you gonna write the pwarr guide for wowhead - if so, you an AI or is it written by an AI?
are you an AI?
merry sluice
DEAD INTERNET THEORY YOURE ALL AI AAAAAAAA
limpid ruin
Damn, you got me
cerulean tusk
we are all bots trapped in a simulation, humoring the real human overlords
toxic pewter
honestly I am for blizz just letting ai design and tune wow
strong forum
Am not a(lr)i(ght)
merry sluice
honestly I am for blizz just letting ai design and tune wow
It might do a better job of balancing at best, or be sporadic enough at worst to be Indistinguishable
chilly brook
So
toxic pewter
would be interesting to see what happens if they make a seperate server and just let AI handle any and all wow decisions
toxic pewter
jsut to see what happens
merry sluice
Simple
chilly brook
you'd think that would be fine, but it's not always
merry sluice
The bot hallucinates patch notes
lusty grotto
hello fellow humans
merry sluice
It reads some random Reddit rant about a guy who got everything wrong
Now itâs going off of false data
chilly brook
R6 Siege did a lot of balancing on "data" but because they did that they often nerfed things that were not the root cause of the problems
merry sluice
And now it can be seemingly random
I am not genuinely advocating for AI balancing that is brain dead
Itâs just funny to imagine a world where that is better than blizzard balancing bc holy fuck blizzard wtf
chilly brook
For example Jager had a huge pick rate and coincidentally a large win rate as a result, so in order to bring that down they nerfed his gun, they nerfed his movement speed, they nerfed his gadget but he still continues to be a popular operator. Why? Becuase in a game where they continually add things that are thrown or launched projectiles (grenades), he is one of two operators that can counter those things on defense. The problem was never him. The root problem was the amount of things being put in the game that only he could deal with.
lusty grotto
AI doesnt work without human data
and nuance like that is just lost
so it makes sense
merry sluice
AI doesnât even work with human data
lusty grotto
it kinda works
AI works very well for spell correction and statistical data etc
i work in a company that has done it for decades
chilly brook
so it makes sense
Except these were humans doing the balancing
R6 dev team is cooked
lusty grotto
yeah well
merry sluice
It still needs to be told what data is correct, relevant, and how to back up its âownâ claims.
chilly brook
But that's the problem with only balancing from data
data is only as good as the actual analysis of the data
lusty grotto
thats the problem with game devs, they fall into the "dont shit where you eat" kind of thing and stop playing their games, thats why i never wanted to get into the gaming industry
chilly brook
we're also talking about a dev team that famously had developers be proud of making changes that pros hated
lusty grotto
i like playing games too much to have it be considered work
chilly brook
something something "if we're making pro players uncomfortable then thats a win"
And for clarity that's not talking about uncomfortable as in "adding depth" or something it was more in regards to making the game less competitive/changes that made no sense
lusty grotto
yeah that happens everywhere
especially when youre on a deadline and are in cruch time
you go for the easy fix, and it worked because of x and y
chilly brook
I still laugh my ass off
they made gun recoil worse
then removed attachments having an impact on recoil
and then instead of admitting it was a bad idea they added the recoil reduction back on attachments but they made them reduce recoil more than they used to. Guns still are worse than they were before they started changing things but omegalul
The thought process is just non-existent, making guns harder than they already were did nothing to help casual players it did the opposite. And the competitive players are just going to adapt because they want to be competitive so you're only serving to widen the gap
lusty grotto
its just typical out of touch dev perspective, i dont say that dismissively, i say that because they very clearly are not playing the game because they consider it work, so they throw away researching in discords etc if they dont actively play because of constraints
the fall back is what blizzard is doing now
which is they wait on a huge outroar over a particular change (like they did with affixes in beta)
chilly brook
Don't get me wrong I understand not wanting to do "work" outside of work
lusty grotto
which is not that bad in comparison
chilly brook
But in reality, I would think that your job in this case would be, in a way, partially done for you
There are so many players who themselves are passionate about the games they play and offer real and good feedback on ways to address problems
lusty grotto
i agree
chilly brook
Sure you have to do some searching and filtering but like come on
lusty grotto
but, again that falls into research, and when will you have time for it if youre stuck on a deadline, these people are overworked and crunched out of their ass
brain rot sets in really fast in those conditions
and something that seems obvious, simply disappears
chilly brook
but, again that falls into research, and when will you have time for it if youre...
If part of your responsibility is to say balance a specific class then that's part of the timeframe
take the time you'd think about "how do I address this problem"
and dedicate some of it to finding actually constructive methods
lusty grotto
right but we have no idea if these people are only doing class balancing - they most likely arent
chilly brook
like it has to be a time saver at the end of the day
chilly brook
right but we have no idea if these people are only doing class balancing - they ...
we know they aren't for sure
although imho class devs should be nothing but class focused
but I'm not blizzard
so doesn't matter what I think
lusty grotto
class balancing is a hugely important aspect but maybe blizz's leadership thinks differently
so they load other roles to those class managers
and suddenly they have 5 different deadlines on different aspects of the game
cerulean tusk
I just guess there are a lot of hoops and checks to cover. That and multitasking.
So a dev might know about it, he might start the process of getting it fixed - yet another check balancer, stops it, starts double checking - something happens and it gets pushed back.
lusty grotto
especially now, for example, where they are trying to get TWW out by the date they announced
cerulean tusk
Company is likely too large, too many cogs, so things get sluggish and inefficent. For good and bad. Might save us from gigamisstakes being done - but also traps us in things going mire slow
lusty grotto
to be fair, Blizzard has been in a better position in DF than what Ubisoft is doing for sure đ
chilly brook
Company is likely too large, too many cogs, so things get sluggish and inefficen...
I mean that's just game dev (and tech in general) rn
They're extremely bloated organizations
You'd think more people means more smooth/more content/more efficient but it's not
lusty grotto
i havent... really looked at it outside of the announcement
as soon as the ubisoft logo came up i lost interest
they have a longer way to go for me to go back to them, even longer than what blizzard had (with SL as the lowest point)
cinder nova
Am I stupid or did shield slam resets improve a lot
lusty grotto
youre stupid
cinder nova
I think the fact that skyfury is baseline may be why
I rarely got to have the enh windfussy
lusty grotto
yeah that might be a factor
or is
also 2ndaries getting bumped up a lil bit
if youre talking about prepatch
cinder nova
ye
lusty grotto
you should have slightly more haste
cinder nova
I already was over soft cap, probably not a noticeable amount after DR
I wonder if I lost net haste after the ITF nerf
Or- wait
That's not in yet is it
cinder nova
I assume it's not too bad since it's still more haste = more haste anyway
lusty grotto
we started to swap to ITF when? late s2?
chilly brook
Star Wars outlaws looks fun
It looks terrible wdym?
Did we watch the same gameplay showing?
lusty grotto
so if anything we'll swap later-ish? and also depending on itemization
so whenever it overtakes HR on dps/SB uptime
dusky canopy
Open world Star Wars game
Idk seems like itâll atleast get you 40-60 hours of gameplay
Visually was pleasing to me
Depends how dead the world is
lusty grotto
have you played a ubisoft open world game?
cause they have made tons
the last one i played that i enjoyed was AC3
thats it
well, 4
black flag was pretty decent too
cinder nova
Me over here stanning Legend of Grimrock II
lusty grotto
never played avatar, wasnt interested
i was already in "ignore ubisoft" mode, plus the avatar thing is not really my thing
chilly brook
Idk seems like itâll atleast get you 40-60 hours of gameplay
sure I suppose if all you're after is just 40-60 hours of "something to do"
I can't recall anything of any of the last like 4 Assassin's Creed games outside of their settings
dusky canopy
Yeah I mean I donât expect another Witcher 3 out of it or like cyberpunk or something similar
chilly brook
It's just a vapid time waste
dusky canopy
But I think itâll be a short amount of fun for a Star Wars fan
Similar to how avatar was
Like was avatar insanely next level? No of course not
lusty grotto
ubisoft lost me after division 1
dusky canopy
But it hits the spot for a fan
lusty grotto
but i like star wars too, im just not that interested in it
basically the only thing im super hyped about is andor s2, when it comes to SW things
ahsoka / mandalorian things as well just because Filoni is attached
but more andor than that last one
chilly brook
I'm a fan
I just know I'll be disappointed
a coat of shiny paint isn't good enough
lusty grotto
the acolyte was đŹ , but at least it became more interesting at the end. its not good but its also not terrible
lusty grotto
its no book of boba fett
chilly brook
its no book of boba fett
Acolyte is univerally lower than that
and by a large margin
chilly brook
both are poor though
tranquil edge
Hey ya'll, looking to try prot warr next season, do you guys have any issues getting 3k through pugging?
tranquil edge
yeah thats my concern, but its a lot of fun compared to guardian
keen leaf
watching paint dry is fun compared to guardian
deft hinge
guardian is woosh-woosh, prot warr is ding-dong. Ofc u wanna go ding-dong
merry sluice
wtf do either of those mean lol
urban bane
Me over here stanning Legend of Grimrock II
that game owns
tribal wharf
that game owns
i will say there is something very satisfying about traditional dungeon crawling in a like, cave, sewer system type of deal, as its shown here, with a bunch of rocks and steel gates
urban bane
Plip plop squelch
urban bane
nah im oldge
lusty grotto
merry sluice
Plip plop squelch
okay so whenever im on my bdk i must refer to myself a plip plop squelcher
got ya
red otter
okay so whenever im on my bdk i must refer to myself a plip plop squelcher
I prefer the term "dead"
cinder nova
that game owns
Plus it has a community map tool, so players can make entire games to play through as big or bigger than LoGII
I'm pretty sure someone also forward-ported LoG into LoGII
urban bane
Plus it has a community map tool, so players can make entire games to play throu...
Yeah, isn't the company no-longer? If so big sad :(
cinder nova
Maybe. Honest developers that want to make games without trying to fleece you are rare now, and often go under or are bought then closed by competition.
ZA/UM got a similar treatment by executives at the top and the writer dropped this hot take after his layoff.
âIt's the people on top â the motherfuckers in sailing shoes and bowties â that fucked Harry, fuckedd Kim, fucked Robert, Rostov, Helen, Olga, Cash, fuckedd Elysium, fucked you and me too. They are not artists, they are professional fuckers,â he said.
You can tell he's the guy who did a lot of the writing.
cinder nova
It's funny, WOTC is trying to turn D&D into a micro transaction machine
And even have John Hight to try and make it a reality
hardy snow
Im kind of amazed you are still not bored with these gpt texts.
tribal wharf
hes an annoying bastard with his melee, high hp, and ranged projectile attack he loves to spam
gpt is great
lusty grotto
yogi will single handedly regress GPT ML for months
merry sluice
good sabotage the machines
tribal wharf
and if i make gpt stupider, that was my plan
lusty grotto
but yeah i imagine i will be correcting a document or w/e and some prot warrior ability will randomly appear
tribal wharf
no longer do i have to this
i just make gpt do that and if its less than 1000 characters put it on here
merry sluice
I found a new low for pugs lol Uldaman
pug hunter
dude races my dk ahead, and runs around two corners and starts pulling enemies
holy paladin random stuns talondras early every single time (not even stopping stomps lol)
and hits us with the "Wtf is this dmg" đ
keen leaf
plot twist, its actually you stunning with shield charge
lusty grotto
holy paladin random stuns talondras early every single time (not even stopping s...
lmao
merry sluice
plot twist, its actually you stunning with shield charge
i was on my dk
chilly brook
literally this is how yogi looks in my head
Real and true
tribal wharf
thats actually the bus driver we have in my area
north hornet
how do prot warrior look for tww ?
lusty grotto
it looks fine
merry sluice
"I want to proof women can tank the same as men" - random priest from quel'thalas
Then they mocked me everytime the DPS died to boss mechanics. bro evoker died every pull lmaO
keys are...not...okay today...
merry sluice
they also asked everyone's genders during countdown
lusty grotto
also "prove"
merry sluice
oaky
lusty grotto
im confused, did you just say that when you got in or something?
merry sluice
i mix up words sometimes hush
it sounds similar enough. Paraphrased bc it was in spanish
no
they said it to me
merry sluice
idk if name filtering is required here, paladin discord made us do it, i wont complain
merry sluice
Yeah i was the tank ;x
lusty grotto
yup
lusty grotto
lol
ive done that
im fucking fluent in spanish im bilingual
so i know 100% what they say all the time
anyway thats blacklist material right there
merry sluice
I dropped part before the chest evne appeared on screen and just went to rp smh
slow birch
Which defensives are usable when channeling Demolish?
lusty grotto
slow birch
ty
open bluff
I just walked past someone roleplaying a whiterun guard
did you take their sweet roll
waxen frigate
I just walked past someone roleplaying a whiterun guard
The worst roleplayers
waxen frigate
channel dead
I been playing too much dota, no time to shitpost
pallid quiver
i've retired and become a farmer
jagged pier
the dream
solid sun
I obviously didnât look through the guide well enough. I am just now seeing thereâs an immortal m+ build
Is that a high key type situation
jagged pier
nope
the standard build does fine at high keys
the immortal build is for if you are struggling i guess? or dont want to think at all while playing the game
solid sun
Gotcha gotcha
waxen frigate
cant really say that i ahve like 2k hours in it
Just came back after a 4 year break, been popping the fuck off
lusty grotto
Just came back after a 4 year break, been popping the fuck off
i should dust it off
waxen frigate
Winning against all the bots
Bots in ranked 
I did run across my first blatant Smurf/booster yesterday since I came back
toxic pewter
dota owns
was bots in ranked que in 2015, there are bots in 2024
taken over your game
strong forum
lusty grotto
true and real
tribal wharf
not true for me in quake 1
then again, i was playing it all the way back in 1995/6 whatever it releease, dos, like, 10-30 fps at like, 640x480, overall a worse experience in all ways.
now im good at quake 1, game is a joke to me now.
They shouldn't give me so many rockets and shells game boring walking around with constant 67-100 rockets
chilly brook
https://i.imgur.com/HblBFEr.png
bad game
jagged pier
blazing condor
why think about my life situation when i can just indulge myself into my newest hyperfixation
jagged pier
Someone tell me what class to play next expansion 
lusty grotto
yes
blazing condor
monk
blazing condor
ok how about the class you dont have
jagged pier
We have at least 1 of everything
jagged pier
Yer i have been told i can play anything. Bht the 5 short list is warrior, rogue, evo, priest, mage
lusty grotto
i cant wait to hit TWW and find out Arms is hot dogshit cause ive been puposely avoiding seeing beta takes (though ive been spoiled by critcake's comments somewhat)
jagged pier
No tank or healer spec so pugging gunan be monka
jagged pier
F
open bluff
If I get my way Iâll most likely be prot for once
Keep getting backed into brm or blood
lusty grotto
id like to think im the go-to sub tank so i gotta stick to my guns
however.... i might have some alt flex
since 2 warriors đ
solid sun
Kinda just a general question not related to warriors necessarily
TWW launch, for the two weeks prior to the normal and heroic raid difficulties launching, will m0 be available?
solid sun
So for the first two weeks, we will have delves and heroic dungeons for gearing
lusty grotto
prior to mythic, but they open at normal/heroic release
open bluff
Is this confirmed? M0 was available launch day in BFA/SL
Not like, immediately at launch but like 12-15 hours later
chilly brook
m0 is only out in heroic week
m0 should be available prior to heroic no?
M+ should not however until mythic
lusty grotto
i could be wrong
jagged pier
Doesnt really matter ither way u cant spam m0s anyways
open bluff
Yeh it was available like day 2 in the past, M+ was heroic/mythic week
lusty grotto
but m0 are daily lockouts
and the gear is dogshit
vet track
unless they changed their mind
chilly brook
the gear is the same as DF/SL
lusty grotto
no
chilly brook
yes
lusty grotto
1 tier less
chilly brook
no
chilly brook
SL M0 was LFR loot last expansion
lusty grotto
brother
jagged pier
Yer its changing im pretty sure from start of df to this
lusty grotto
SL m0 is not the same as DF m0
jagged pier
Completely different systems
lusty grotto
m0 = m10
chilly brook
that's kinda irrelevant
chilly brook
no it's not
solid sun
Iâve had dinner a lot of times since SL existed
chilly brook
.....
just because a 0 is the equivalent of what used to be a 10 does not make it not a 0
it's just what 0s are now
lusty grotto
ok im very clearly not gonna change your opinion, but its very dumb
because they literally said as much
chilly brook
you can't say "well what did 10s use to give us" while at the same time notbeing like "well what did 20's used to give us?"
That line of reasoning is a little weird
lusty grotto
and that change, which happened at the start of this season goes forward with TWW
except for the part where m0s (FORMER m +10) gives appropiate loot
đ¤ˇ
chilly brook
doesn't really matter much
lusty grotto
its literally right there
chilly brook
it's a stepping stone for gearing at the end of the day
irregardless of if they're properly at whatever gear level they should be, it's still going to be theoretically (unless somethings going on with delves) the highest loot you'll be able to go into raid with
chilly brook
we don't have any information on how delves are going to work with the season
i.e. will they be capped at a certain difficulty before drop of mythic
it would be really silly if they aren't
while M+ is completely not available
chilly brook
and that change, which happened at the start of this season goes forward with TW...
also clearly their stance on rewards and gear changed as well considering the elongation of gear tracks and wanting a longer progression path in both time and upgrades
Much to my dislike
lusty grotto
theres no progression for a capped tier
-1 track is not the same as increasing steps for one
since you cant upgrade tracks at all
chilly brook
It's blizzard
They clearly want you to not shoot up as fast
this season
hence removal of any M+ until mythic drops
solid sun
I think the in game journal shows m0 gear as champ 1
But idk if thatâs relevant information
chilly brook
I think the in game journal shows m0 gear as champ 1
blue post has it as vet
restive helm
blue post has it as vet
link?
vivid orchid
Live build is quite outdated
chilly brook
mans gonna make me dig for this again
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/war-within/season-1-overview one link but doesn't have the M0 loot
but m0 loot is 593
aka same as fully upgraded LFR
restive helm
but what blue post is that
dusky canopy
Wish myth vault still from 9s
chilly brook
not like it makes much difference which blue post it's from lol
grim pilot
12âs are gonna be cool weeklies
chilly brook
it's still a blue post
dusky canopy
restive helm
im not saying you did
but if you found it online
fuck me i guess for verifying information
restive helm
bruh from 2 weeks ago
restive helm
cool
chilly brook
It kinda is cool tbh
lusty grotto
cool
brother
open the wowhead link
click View Original
in case you dont trust the wowhead's blue post
lusty grotto
what possible fucking reason would he have to make it up?