not as weird as that
#protection
dark barn
My rule is: if you spam use single acessible keys
toxic pewter
yeah thats wild to me lol, having an alt + 3 over a shift q or shit e
jagged pier
so thats should be sheild wall then
dark barn
Maybe the guy play piano and everything is ez
shell fox
shield wall is ALT V
toxic pewter
alt 3 has been my defensive keybind since forever
cant even press alt 3 that well while pressing a movement key such as 'd'
shell fox
another defensive keybind
jagged pier
LS is also a defensive
shell fox
cant even press alt 3 that well while pressing a movement key such as 'd'
well i can
hahaha
god bless gaming keyboards
ah, not at the SAME time
toxic pewter
truly interesting I will say lol
like say you have to strafe to the right (pressing D) you also cannot hit shield block well.. its not great situation
can open you up to bad situation
violet ginkgo
I mean... not related to your keybind but first time I heard SB is a defensive, it's like jakey said, your active mitigation which you want to press often. We usually use the term "defensive" for things that you use once in a while like Shield Wall/Spell Block/etc2.
shell fox
alt + E for charge
my warr is outdated since s1 so im gearing him up, i dont know why i have the trinket on alt + 5
toxic pewter
should use ~~T ~~G ~~F ~~V
jagged pier
he has f
toxic pewter
also not using 5
dark barn
Alt Q for thunderclap is just too much trouble for a spam
I use Q for SL and E for TC
Just the easiest keys
shell fox
this is the keyboard i have, its easier than it seems
shell fox
yeah
dark barn
4 binds should be easy SB SS TC and IP
I just dont think other way than that. The 4 easiest keys you must have
My ignore pain is on middle button of mouse
I spend 0.1 ms to click lol
shell fox
lol, my middle button of mouse is mount
dark barn
Thats a HUGE waste of a easy keybind
dark barn
In less than 1 week you can change your muscular memory. Dont understimate your brain
shell fox
I once tried to remove my S as a backpedal
imagine a living being dying to simple packs because of that
shell fox
i had to use my A or D to move back
toxic pewter
yah theres no shame in backpeddaling in pve imo
high lava
Came back to this just now but the advice of it being “unique to you” is solid I’ll keep playing with it till its second nature. As for the guy who sent his key binds I hadn’t ever considered binding anything to q or e somehow so I’ll absolutely be using that lmao
shell belfry
Does Blocking affect ranged attacks? I keep reading it does and in some places it says it doesn’t. The search in this discord doesn’t exactly answer it either so I’ll just ask in plain. Also does spell block affect both ranged and melee spell hits?
strong forum
it does affect ranged attacks, like an arrow being shot and stuff
physical attacks
and spell block well, blocks spells!
of all kind
except debuffs
spring cedar
I bind my Taunt on all tanks to the key L
because only Losers taunt
chads overaggro
spring cedar
just a quick qustion: are we doing (live) less damage than in S4?
its feelycraft a bit
but feels that way
strong forum
no we do more
cuz in pre-patch you have alot more secondary stats
than we did in s4
they bumped up how much secondary stats there are on gear
so you should be doing more damage
spring cedar
legit thought we were, was just a feeling I had in some dungeons
no way to back this up with data
regardless, prot warriot tww stronk
spring cedar
idk either, never set foot there
toxic pewter
Damage is low on beta if I say so myself
spring cedar
from what I see people talking, seems that vorrior is middle of the pack
which, tbh, is quite ok to me
patent osprey
from what I see people talking, seems that vorrior is middle of the pack
Beta Prot warrior is very heavy on Spell reflect usage. Look out for senses reflect doc when it comes out and spell reflect WAs for tww. Gonna be a crazy tier.
toxic pewter
sense already released his spell reflect/block spreadsheet its in the pins in the beta channel
spring cedar
wont that be a "reason" to nerf other abilities, because "prot warriors are doing so much damage", but in reality is good usage of SR?
or not nerf, but keep them "low"
shell belfry
Beta Prot warrior is very heavy on Spell reflect usage. Look out for senses refl...
Does he do that Wag.io WA that we all use and link?
shut summit
some of the strong reflectts already got gutted
shell belfry
some of the strong reflectts already got gutted
Can we still spell block them at least?
native blaze
Hey guys new to the tanking scene, is there a website like questionlyepic (for healers) but for tanks? I know raidbots just does Damage, but is there a way to find best tanking gear? Or is it just ilvl then go from there
spring cedar
Wowhead article about the spec
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank for Prot Warrior, for example
strong forum
you cant sim tankiness
you get tankiness from playing well
not from anything else
for tanking you simply follow the general rule of thumb stat prio
and then go from there
strong forum
patent osprey
some of the strong reflectts already got gutted
Unluck ive been at a work event last few weeks. But still pretty strong defensively
cerulean tusk
In theory, you could sim tankiness, by building a model of the fight. Then have it sim you taking damage 
So you can, it just aint worth the effort
cerulean tusk
tribal wharf
i mean, you can, but its like doing taxes,
really complicated, and the irs KNOWS already how much you made, just they wont tell you
not a fun thing to scientifically calculate surivival and healing needed to "cheese" a tank through a fight
cerulean tusk
What is IRS and why should I care?
violet ginkgo
and reflect never works in raid
Oh yeah speaking of this it's only deflect right.
Is there any instance sometime where they allow it to reflect damage back to boss then "Oh shoot this is bad idea." then change it to only deflect during raid?
There must be reason they don't allow reflect on raid boss.
strong forum
every single raid testing
ever
they change from reflect -> deflect/nothing
98% of reflects in raid get turned into not working besides the magic reduction during the raid test period
tribal wharf
when we had WCM i deflected something off witches ish room
probably on witches
and we went over it at length but i cant recall details now
cerulean tusk
why didnt you just reflect the bolt?
tribal wharf
i wanna say it was the thorns i deflected
cerulean tusk
shell fox
i just got 3 items in a 0
violet ginkgo
Damn... this is upsetting why we are not allowed to have fun with reflect on raid? (actually reflecting the damage back, not just deflect)
shell fox
lol
strong forum
Damn... this is upsetting why we are not allowed to have fun with reflect on rai...
cuz the fun quickly turns into abuse
and beyond trivialises a thing thats meant to be challenging for 20 people
strong forum
in ways different than immunes do
cerulean tusk
Worst timeline is this: It is reflectable, but only 1 instance is reflected. So all the warriors scream at eachother
"STOP STEALING MY DPS, REEEEE!" followed by guild disband and pipebombs in emails
violet ginkgo
that happened? Now I want to hear the full story
tribal wharf
i have serious depression from "DONT FUCKING KICK IT IM GOING TO REFLECT IT REEE" >>> kicked anyways
like a bazillion times
and basically gave up on sucesfully reflecting
WCM was a clear example of this
cuz its like, one in... about 2.5? casts you can reflect fairly regularly
and i've tried explaining that to pugs, and to watch for the reflect icon.... active witch gets kicked with it up anyways....
cuz like, im totally at the reflect timers and the dps kicking ability mercy
and i just have to PRAY that it does go off, on me and then back at enemy
tribal wharf
nahhhh
the real reason for that is they all get +6 to +8 additional second CD on "kicks", to compensate for that the kick is basically a hitscan
and the mage is busy thinking about wether or not he can dispell it or spell steal it
you can make metas around this type of information, but it never really goes anywhere cuz its just, if u kick correctly u probably already won anyways
violet ginkgo
they cant be bothered to interrupt
I got ret pally on the other day and he refuse at all to use CC and interrupt
tribal wharf
I got ret pally on the other day and he refuse at all to use CC and interrupt
was he a male troll per chance?
violet ginkgo
uh damn I don't exactly remember
tribal wharf
we met this dude in late bfa through YT
the context is, the tank is trying in vain to get a spell interupted and this is the paladin he asks
violet ginkgo
I don't really look for race per say all that register to me is "This guy is melee which notably got shorter interupt than ranged and a ret pally on top of that with good CC" and he didn't even bother to use it. gg.
toxic pewter
ngl this pre-patch has been the buggiest one that I can remember
chilly brook
the real reason for that is they all get +6 to +8 additional second CD on "kicks...
All kicks behave the same they’re all “hitscan”
lusty grotto
just waiting on that so i finally organize my shit
chilly brook
i have serious depression from "DONT FUCKING KICK IT IM GOING TO REFLECT IT REEE...
Also simple fix, don’t press reflect until the last possible second
toxic pewter
is the warbank fixed yet?
Nope still not fixed, maybe on Tuesday perhaps?
lusty grotto
goddamn it
chilly brook
They can take as long as they would like on the bank
lusty grotto
yeah i dont mind
chilly brook
I’d rather them fix my bars going blank
lusty grotto
im busy getting ready for savage
so i dont really mind
its gonna be interesting since Echo acquired one of the WF XIV teams for the race
which is this tuesday
stone cradle
what two trinkets should i buy from the bullion vendor if i'm just doing m+?
lusty grotto
cant wait for the addon drama to start again lmaooooo
dreadplates and all totem
both are good picks
anvil/signet and grieftorch are ok picks but require more management and are only offensive options
just rememeber gholak > diurna > trinkets > filial duty
anyway that should be in the wowhead guide and the icy veins guide
stone cradle
very helpful, thank you
covert aurora
can we still loot leggo axe in prepatch, and if we are in prot loot spec ?
lusty grotto
yes
but youre probably not gonna get enough weeks to make it a 100% drop rate
its 14? kills in heroic for 100%
violet ginkgo
Yes you can, but like Nim said, if you just starting... you probably not gonna make it unless you are really lucky and get it on the first kill.
violet ginkgo
Whoaaaa... that week 13 to 14, from 30% to 100% 
covert aurora
yes
thanks, I've gotten a couple kills in, was more wondering if I could be rolling for the fryak 1h in prot loot and still have a shot at the leggo. not sure yet to level in prot or arms, i'm mostly prot on the warrior
lusty grotto
you can stay in prot
it doesnt really matter
any loot spec gets it
even holy as paladin
tribal wharf
All kicks behave the same they’re all “hitscan”
with distance involved, hit scan is always bis
chilly brook
with distance involved, hit scan is always bis
Yogi, all interrupts are the same
The only difference is CD length and or how far you can use the spell
There is no travel time on interrupt
tribal wharf
yogi is fucking dead
i took him out to behind the shed in the woods
and i chopped his head off
i know thats what you all know me as here, but, uh, ya, that was a time in my life that no longer exists and i don't resonate with that user name at all any more, maybe alittle bit the morshu avatar
but, yes, there is a strong difference in CD between rogue/shaman kick and rogue/warriors
instant as in, thats the primary use of the spell and its designed to instantlly interupt, like i dunno how it worked exactly but there used to be boom kin does a solar spot and mobs get interupted, or warlock pet
tribal wharf
yup
and its primary purpose in life IS NOT to interupt
thats a great side effect
mages Counter Spell: for when, a kick positively, absolutely, has to be there on time.
the grenade still does the same job, but you have to aim it in a weird way and or get closer + doesnt travel same speed
chilly brook
TECHNICALLY
Technically that’s a rotational ability with an added interrupt
merry sluice
technically
it still does interrupt
tribal wharf
how about that as a smart affix
if you kick, you get 10% dps for 10 seconds...
get everyone wanting to do kick
hardy snow
grieftorch will also be huge for leveling
grieftorch and beacon from sarkareth, generally such high nuking trinkets are good for open world content, some rares or elites for quests etc.
strong forum
ya
merry sluice
nah nah big brain
5 draenei warriors
if u dont need nelf/bleed for at least one key at that level
u can do a couiple of the afflicted spawns
mellow bridge
"A couple" is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence lmfao
grim pilot
bro
dont
fucking start
my mouse stopped working
after first boss
I was rotating
first I went afk for 10 mins trying to fix the mouse
then I was using arrows
to move
:xdd
pallid quiver
the sun was in your eyes, etc
tribal wharf
the controller was broken
my dad works at nintendo and so he gets controllers that dont break like that cuz its a new special one they are making
just making a joke about "its anything elses fault"
merry sluice
"A couple" is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence lmfao
a couple is better than none
idk warrior DPS hp so maybe its not applicable on them
but i've definitely sniped aff spawns on tank 🐐 s
violet ginkgo
really sad the cone doesn't use bladestorm, it'll be a beyblade fest.
nimble grail
How are you guys feeling about prot war for TWW to push high keys ?
jagged pier
blazing condor
🤷♂️
spring cedar
low hull
How are you guys feeling about prot war for TWW to push high keys ?
Same question, I'm wondering if it will be gainful or if I must choose another Tank class
nimble grail
I did not check how are oriented the dungeons in terms of magic/physical dmg
jagged pier
you just play what you enjoy the most
you will still be able to get title
if you want to play whats the meta pick
u might as well wait until 1-2 months into the season
low hull
I play Outlaw Rogue since 10-2005 😄 And regarding to what the Spec is became...I just wanna end my Rogue experience with something Meta so yeah 😄
nimble grail
you will still be able to get title
More for pushing to 3k + rio
Yeah let’s wait to see where the meta is going
nimble grail
Yeah you are right
But it does not mean we cannot wonder what state will our spec be ☺️
ionic fern
strong forum
We are extremely solid
plush path
everyones gonna be different, place the more important skills like thunderclap, revenge, ignore pain, defensive cooldowns and some more on keybinds that are easy to press for you
unkempt hazel
cerulean tusk
https://i.imgur.com/aYgE4SZ.png
mellow bridge
huh?
strong forum
looks like some world pvp shit
plush path
when war within comes out, will there be m+ on day1?
jagged pier
no
plush path
ty
ember token
Week later actually with mythic raids, wasnt it? The 17th
strong forum
ye 17th
past locust
Yeah like 2 weeks from release
torn gulch
3 weeks
toxic pewter
think one of my fav changes for us recently is sudden death being able to stack to two
actually pretty nice quality of life change
violet ginkgo
patch note I think? in prepatch
toxic pewter
didnt I see that they did that? was it for arms only tho?
I just assumed it worked for prot too
violet ginkgo
I think it's class
strong forum
pretty sure nobody has that
toxic pewter
strong forum
violet ginkgo
toxic pewter
oblique garnet
Press F5 more nome
violet ginkgo
Quite unusual for nome to be... not updated..
oblique garnet
Every second of every day at wowhead.com
toxic pewter
is that from the pre patch notes
violet ginkgo
that is from prepatch note yes
toxic pewter
ok so it is in then
violet ginkgo
the one we currently have
violet ginkgo
woot nome instantly login to WOW?
strong forum
i dont trust patch notes
toxic pewter
yeah im ngl i havent actually seen it like show '2' under the buff while i play LOL
so it may not even be working
oh nvm it does show
now they just need to make execute be 35% by default
strong forum
interesting
oblique garnet
toxic pewter
also DANG EXECUTE be doin some big dam these days!?!?! that is 145k unbuffed and crap
strong forum
they buffed it by 15%
toxic pewter
yah its actually pretty nice O_O
is there any world where uhh
we can like do some sort of execute build for m+
strong forum
no
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
theres no scenario where SB uptime and multiplicative % dmg increase on shield slam is doing less dmg than going for massacre and juggernaut
unless the boss starts in execute
strong forum
even with colossus?
thane does more execute dmg than colossus
cuz thane generates ALOT more rage
toxic pewter
Yeah damn
toxic pewter
Oh right forgot about that
strong forum
and higher avatar uptime
strong forum
colossus is arms
thane is prot
slayer is fury
thats just how itd be
and i doubt we will see a scenario where that changes
distant fractal
I'm going colossus as prot because I'm not a dwarf.
toxic pewter
lol
distant fractal
Healers will adjust
toxic pewter
lol
distant fractal
I ran Necro fury warrior for all of SL because banner was fun. And I have faith that patches will get them close enough.
merry sluice
Faith is a strong word
distant fractal
Good thing strength is my main stat.
violet ginkgo
Damn lol wtf colossus down so bad
not even demolish could cover the damage 
oh well time to strike some lightning then
distant fractal
NGL, if I was a dwarf I'd be pogging hard right now. But I have to stay orc, for the lore.
toxic pewter
there are mountains in Draenor
and durotar even
like, yes, the original mountain king was dwarf.. but does not mean you cannot take license with the spec
also orc culture is heavily shamanistic by nature, so lightning orcs are not really that farfetched now that I think about it
toxic pewter
how is it antithetical though
shell fox
clap him.
toxic pewter
lol
distant fractal
It's like having an underling king.
toxic pewter
I dont get that reference but ok
merry sluice
Work work
violet ginkgo
Funty is embracing the Zug Zug
distant fractal
Principal Janitor. President prisoner. General private.
Which could be interesting, but then it's one step removed because it's not just any thane, it's a mountain thane specifically.
strong forum
pushed another update to my Arms and Prot WA packs, if anyone here uses them
dusky canopy
violet ginkgo
what is the update though? related to the sudden death?
strong forum
Ye
merry sluice
Is that also why it kept showing me two ravager icons lol
I decided to just silently not question it
strong forum
That's cuz they changed the talent position for storm of steel
So just needed an added load condition for the 2nd Ravager icon
But that is also fixed
merry sluice
Oki ty
toxic pewter
has anyone actually ever used dance of death / storm of steel
toxic pewter
i think ravager should do more damage
toxic pewter
yeah damn
if we got bladestom do you think we would ever use it
i know its kinda weird question
strong forum
We wouldn't
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
Cuz it doesn't generate any rage by itself
merry sluice
Sad garen sounds
toxic pewter
yeah dang, its the auto attacks while blade storming that actually generate the rage right
strong forum
Ye
plush tendon
colossus is arms
thane is prot
slayer is fury
one small miscalculation. Colossus give 5% increased size so its instantly BiS
toxic pewter
Bigger is not always better.. trust me.. I know 😉
chilly brook
imagine running damage
Running more damage is objectively better in 98% of situations
lusty grotto
i should officially re-open the Skyhold Hall of Fame
chilly brook
Don’t be a beta
blazing condor
hall of thane
shell fox
HALL OF THANE
toxic pewter
shell fox
you screenshot everything dont you
blazing condor
lusty grotto
which reminds me
lusty grotto
did that guy post a log yet?
chilly brook
Stop being satisfied being mediocre
lusty grotto
the macro SB into everything guy
blazing condor
more damage = faster die = less damage taken
shell fox
you can do more damage... as dps.
lusty grotto
oh god i was right
this IS gonna be good
its been a while since we've had a guy hard-stuck in classic
shell fox
do a 20+ with offensive gear please
chilly brook
you can do more damage... as dps.
We get it you like not having to press buttons
lusty grotto
do a 20+ with offensive gear please
like what
chilly brook
And don’t like being criticized for not playing well
toxic pewter
You are no friend of mine.
shell fox
dude chill
lusty grotto
i wonder if our tier set is "offensive gear"
and yet
we deal more damage
so which is it
what a disappointing backpedal
oh well
we still have the hall of fame quote
cerulean tusk
Wow, you found a key of a DPS warrior going into the key as prot, then after it started, to run out and in again as DPS to make that
Fake news
toxic
chilly brook
Wow, you found a key of a DPS warrior going into the key as prot, then after it ...
?
cerulean tusk
It the pre-fix version
blazing condor
skyhold when they finally get to rage out about tank dps again
cerulean tusk
That cloak got stamina
cerulean tusk
lusty grotto
what a weird person
he backpedals, the pedals into it once again
"oh no guys i know im wrong"
"jk heres a screenshot"
craggy harness
Hope he’s got a helmet!
lusty grotto
"im just trolling lolol"
craggy harness
Practice safe arguing
we dont troll in
lusty grotto
if youre fishing for a "he clearly doesnt wear a helmet"
you may get a few nibbles
craggy harness
Resilience will fix it
cerulean tusk
it got stamina
lusty grotto
this is prime
uh huh
youre not funny
the whole "im just trolling lolol" shit
is only funny to you
cerulean tusk
Nim, he clearly wants to back out. Be a good boii and let him
cerulean tusk
your fake news news fake
lusty grotto
no u
lusty grotto
cerulean tusk
plush tendon
might not be the best example; rare ALWAYS plays the cheat death build and double offensive
hes built diffy
chilly brook
hes built diffy
He’s just proof that it’s not necessary
merry sluice
one small miscalculation. Colossus give 5% increased size so its instantly BiS
if its any consolation
Ik the moong uard RPers are gonna run colossus just so they can be slightly taller
and they'll be the only ones using it
lusty grotto
alright
cerulean tusk
2h Col prot warrior build 
lusty grotto
i finally logged in
merry sluice
i finally logged in
im sorry to hear that :C
lusty grotto
oh i aint doing much, just wanted my warband ready
shell fox
you are full geared nimchip?
merry sluice
man 90% of my time online has jsut been RP bc there's nothing to do lately lol
lusty grotto
the warbank still doesnt work huh
violet ginkgo
Probably until next maintenance Nim, which is soon (less than 24 hours)? Well hopefully they fix it.
tribal wharf
anybody here play wow before 1.3 in OG wow and 20 man deadmines
im just curious was a youtuber video talking about it, but i sure remember doing that my self lol
lusty grotto
warpdeplete just udpated btw
merry sluice
Well I’m gearing my BDK on the side, so maybe I should give that timer a try instead rn
lusty grotto
well ive used warpdeplete since it was a WA
before that i used the WA Nome linked
either way its not a big deal
no reason to do keys rn
at least for me
also why the fuck is nimchippy so fucking huge
hoooly
cant properly display all mage tower appearances without non-felbear
lusty grotto
i rearranged them
and it looks better now
its not that the troll is tall
its that it was bigger
not heightwise, the entire model was bigger
lusty grotto
either way troll nimchippy is on her way out
tribal wharf
and not a personal sketch
tribal wharf
the actual art of the game
by the dude making the game
if blizzard makes that warcraft again, and the green orcs that drink the blood, kill mannoroth, ya
im excited about warcraft again
toxic pewter
If you don’t count taurens hunch (their tallest point on their body) darkspear trolls are actually taller than tauren (if they stood upright). Like comparing top of head to top of head
lusty grotto
so uhh
these things are warband wide right
i can just blast them
reason i wanted to log in, and why ive been asking about the warbank is cause i wanted to organize my inventories
lusty grotto
these seem to be warband wide
tribal wharf
still wild for me to think xbox 360 actually shut down shop for good :S
lusty grotto
oh it says warband reputation when you hover over them
fallow nova
I remember when just plain 'ol Xbox was nothing but a twinkle in Microsoft's eye.
craggy harness
I read that as “Xbox was a twink in Microsoft’s eye”
fallow nova
I mean...
It's not entirely inaccurate
I'm old enough to remember begging my mom for a Gameboy when Pokémon hit the USA.
cerulean plank
OG cinderblock grey gameboy represent
lusty grotto
sit down lil bros
fallow nova
I had a Gamegear, which was better but didn't play Pokémon lol
cerulean plank
Gamegear ate through batteries like crazy though
fallow nova
It really did lol
fallow nova
I had rechargeables and usually just had to sit with it plugged into a wall
lusty grotto
which is the only sega portable we ever had
lusty grotto
i still have it btw
tribal wharf
not even wolf3d, but this
lusty grotto
it sells for quite a bit
tribal wharf
i've been playing FPS since THIS
which came right before wolf3d
even a couple gams older and more primitive than this
that one at least looks good, other is robot revenge maze some crap, baiscally that, game but devolved one step further
fallow nova
I think wolf3d was my first fps
tribal wharf
im here chatting to u guys and not playing quake 1 new missions cuz im pissed off
lusty grotto
i logged on my mage, which i boosted (in BFA)
and i was just granted the heritage quest lmao
nice
tribal wharf
cuz i have a quicksave which is my only file, saved 0.5 seconds from a explosive beach ball coming to hit me
so i have to restart the lvl and i dont wanna
merry sluice
not heightwise, the entire model was bigger
I also see this a lot
I play only goats and for some reason my DK in the right is always way bigger than the others
(Same slot too, so maybe just a weird camera angle thing?)
cerulean plank
I got the void elf heritage quest when I logged in, despite having done it on that character ages ago. Might just be buggy?
remote tusk
Hmm... daggers have Strength now?
lusty grotto
could be, but its great so now i dont even have to level again
remote tusk
Would it be any good for Prot?
remote tusk
This is on live 
lusty grotto
its also Khaz Algar BS
which is TWW
anyway its better to be posted there so people report it, though it could be intended
a call back to vanilla itemization lol
lusty grotto
we dagger tanked a lot in OG Vanilla
and OG TBC
so
its not out of the question, kinda weird for 2024 WoW
but not out of the question
even then if its anything like the crafted cantrips in DF, it'll probably be garbage
lucid nimbus
is it me or are we doing less damage then before prepatch
lusty grotto
its you
lucid nimbus
crap
dark barn
You lose life and do dmg
merry sluice
you should def be doing more dmg if just bc of the random stat boost, no?
lusty grotto
unless he provides some examples
its feelcrafty
so its them
nothing changed to dunk our dps
lusty grotto
i havent had any issues
outer brook
Hello all. Question... As a prot warrior, what abilities apply deep wounds? The tooltips dont tell me.
Fueled by violence over brutal vitality is what im trying to decide.
lusty grotto
Hello all. Question... As a prot warrior, what abilities apply deep wounds? The ...
devastator and revenge
lusty grotto
Fueled by violence over brutal vitality is what im trying to decide.
whichever is fine
there's no real winner between those 2
outer brook
devastator and revenge
ahh ok. What about rend applied by thunderclap? Just trying to get a bit more healing, but if its not worth it then...
lusty grotto
you asked about deep wounds
not rend
rend is not deep wounds
and deep wounds is not rend
im not sure what you mean by healing
do you mean via leech??
solid sun
Maybe they thought rend was part of deep wounds or thought fueled by violence worked on all bleeds and not just deep wounds
Since they were asking about that talent
solid sun
Yeah, but the deep wounds tooltip also says which abilities apply deep wounds
lusty grotto
indeed
outer brook
Maybe they thought rend was part of deep wounds or thought fueled by violence wo...
that
Thanks for the help yall. Appreciated.
merry sluice
oh
oh no i deeply regret doing keys on my bdk
watched 3 peopel die to a fortified azureblade lmfao
merry sluice
I was served the pre-patch i knew it was gonna be a good one
when I walked up to leymoor as top dps
at 504 ilvl
also somethjing really fucking scuffed apparently happens if you pull the shrieking welp lol.
it interrupted its screech, so it took until the flowers were dead for the furies to actually spawn.
Do not, recommend
(pull as in abom grabbed it, not aggro)
covert aurora
I got mostly def trinkets, would grieftorch be a good dps trinket for leveling? or whats a good dps trink?
covert aurora
grief will be great for leveling
👍
shell fox
i forgot how happy i was playing warrior in m+
fallow nova
Shield go crunchy-crunch.
merry sluice
buh
my bdk got flamed in a 10 by a destrolock who had 0 kicks, and tied me in dps for 'not interrupting'
lmfao
god i did not know pugs could get dumber
violet ginkgo
you'll get used to it.
pallid quiver
my bdk got flamed in a 10 by a destrolock who had 0 kicks, and tied me in dps fo...
worse,
that can also be not pugs
radiant mortar
good morning my plated friends
merry sluice
my guild's chill
i just dont go in keys with them much bc of my illness, i hop on at sporadic random times
pugging is the best chocice for me bc of that
atomic breach
my bdk got flamed in a 10 by a destrolock who had 0 kicks, and tied me in dps fo...
Average pug experience
patent phoenix
Looking for some fellow advice of thunderclap enjoyers
foggy wigeon
hi, just kinda getting back in to the game, what is the general opinion on the Thunderous roar vs Champions spear ?
toxic pewter
Well right now our tier set bonus really benefits playing thunderous roar over spear.. next expansion we may end up seeing spear played in single target, perhaps
Throughout Dragonflight we have been playing roar pretty much the entire time
foggy wigeon
ye, did that 😄 just took a 2 months break and i keep hearing that Since the Roar nerfs it might be getting outphased since we wont be taking the bleed talent anymore
toxic pewter
right now in m+ we actually can take roar and both talents for it (uproar and thunderous words) because with our tier set its so strong
can drop Unstoppable Force for it if u want
lusty grotto
ye, did that 😄 just took a 2 months break and i keep hearing that Since the Roa...
not accurate
Troar is still the better pick in AOE in TWW
spear is only good in ST
foggy wigeon
ye thats why i came here to fact check my info 😄
yk to know if what i kept hearing was right or not
lusty grotto
check back when the exp hits
cause who knows maybe blizz will tune more
beta is still ongoing after all
toxic pewter
servers r up
just took portal to silithuis from item and i fell through the world.. sigh...
hexed basin
servers are up, cool recap video when you log in for the first time
jagged pier
Thanks for testinf
lusty grotto
not me, im watching XIV RWF
;D
and preparing to do the first tier
but.. thanks for testing the rest of you
toxic pewter
but.. thanks for testing the rest of you <:keks:936231610850897992>
warband bank is working
lusty grotto
yeah wowhead posted it would be fixed with today's reset yesterday
jagged pier
not me, im watching XIV RWF
Same
lusty grotto
this tier seems very simple in comparison with the last two
but... the fights look fun
so i dont think that's a bad thing
in fact, i like it cause then ill have time to clear before TWW comes out
jagged pier
I dont play was just interested in what its like
I would maybe raid for the axolotol tho
But need a static
lusty grotto
but we will see lmao, statics and PF are usually full of meme wipes
lusty grotto
axototl lmao
jagged pier
Mount looks good
lusty grotto
i fucking hate it
jagged pier
lusty grotto
err phoinix
p8s is meh
its only cool cause of the transition animation really
cerberus is the goat of all of them though
chilly brook
@lusty grotto I almost lost my shit last night when I saw all the potency reductions on SAM
chilly brook
but then I saw that we get to just repeat every cast lmao
lusty grotto
chilly brook
also gets rid of that cringe filler stamp bs thing
lusty grotto
yeah
chilly brook
viper changes don't seem too bad?
lusty grotto
wouldnt know i havent even unlocked it lol
chilly brook
kinda glad noxious is gone
lusty grotto
i havent checked BLM
im just no-lifing crafts for crafting gears
and melds
but from what i read, they are reasonable changes and needed potency increases
the thunder change was kinda weird, but it makes sense for raid
pallid quiver
i fucking hate it
hold up, what content's this from? i may need to suddenly play 14 for like a month again to blast acquire that mount
pallid quiver
hm
I don't recall FF14 scaling notably between xpacs, either
pallid quiver
not enough to go and solo it i wager
lusty grotto
you'll probably have to wait 2 expansions for it to be soloable
but EW have a lot of body checks
savage raids i mean
pallid quiver
i don't have to wait if i raid squeenix HQ with an army and overthrow their control over the backend servers
lusty grotto
race is over heh
echo got 2nd
lucrezia, which is JP won seconds before they got the kill
oh nvm
echo got third
lmao
echo got FOURTH
i guess its because JP isnt reporting kills
violet ginkgo
I suddenly lost voice dialogue is that bugged? pretty sure I don't have keybind/shortcut for that
lusty grotto
that has been happening to me for ages
maybe expansions
id say since SL S4
some voice lines just dont work
violet ginkgo
Rather the voice line which usually work suddenly not working.
I just did the weekly last hurrah you know with the soridormi. Usually she has a voice while calling you for task or something, this time no voice at all just text.
lusty grotto
yes
thats what i mean
anyway NA won the XIV RWF (Serenity)
2 JP teams, and then Echo
and 5th is a JP team
https://tenor.com/view/america-hurricane-happy4th-of-july-america-flag-independence-day-gif-21259025
really short race
in comparison to others
sour junco
Hello, quick question so I get it right. Are we supposed to have Shield block AND Ignore pain up together? Or is it a one or the other
Because currently my butt is getting kicked hard
lusty grotto
shield block
sour junco
It might entirely be my ilvl as I just dinged 70
lusty grotto
manage shield block
sour junco
Thats up permanently almost
lusty grotto
ignore pain is just a rage dump
sour junco
But that's where I still get yoinked
lusty grotto
yeah well
higher ilvl shield + shield block will make you extremely tanky, you cant expect that to happen if youre a fresh 70, god knows what ilvl your shield is
as far as IP goes
just send it when over 70+ rage
thats it
dont overthink it
blazing condor
shield block is the one to actively think about
IP you will have up by just doing the rotation
nimble grail
anyone to help me doing mage tower ?
as prot war
30/40 tries here not even passed P1
lusty grotto
its been a while
most regs here did it in legion
so youre gonna have to be specific
what is killing you
lusty grotto
ok what is killing you that you dont know how to solve
nimble grail
But happens
nimble grail
I dont know how to keep damaging well the boss while not taking more than 6 stacks
lusty grotto
k
nimble grail
i never made him less then 80% hp
lusty grotto
first of all
you clear everything around him, while spell reflecting
go in, preferably with Avatar
slam him down until 3-4 stacks
run out, clear adds
rinse repeat
lusty grotto
you can reflect mind rend
and you can probably (but not entirely sure) spell block it
DRAIN LIFE is what you need to stop
kick, stormbolt, whatever
just 1 of those
if youre ever in danger, jump to the light orbs
in danger or overwhelmed
if it helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HHJNjtmFhI this is my video from the legion version
it was way fucking harder back then though
but it might give you ideas
just make sure you use spell block because its ridiculously strong especially in P1
and we didnt it have it back then
nimble grail
What would be the best timing for SB ?
nimble grail
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HHJNjtmFhI> this is my video from the legion v...
Gonna check this
lusty grotto
for spell block?
nimble grail
yes
lusty grotto
dont say SB, that could be shield block
nimble grail
yes your right
lusty grotto
just use it on cd
nimble grail
Okay
nimble grail
really ?
lusty grotto
but you should already have Shield block up since it ups your dps
nimble grail
Did not know that, i guess i never noticed bc i have shield block up all the time in m+
lusty grotto
shield block is our most important maintenance buff
nimble grail
but you should already have Shield block up since it ups your dps
Would you recommend battle or defensive stance ?
nimble grail
Food flask drum that makes a big deal or not ?
lusty grotto
sure but i dont think you need to go to those extremes for this version
im told its fucking easy compared to back then
just make sure youre doing the correct DPS rotation etc
nimble grail
im told its fucking easy compared to back then
how bad should I feel reading that hahaha
i fucking need to pass this
nimble grail
just make sure youre doing the correct DPS rotation etc
Like shield slam on cd, avatar on cd, thunder clap and revenge on adds, trinket on cd
Nothing specific dps wise i guess ?
lusty grotto
SS>TC>Rev
nimble grail
even for adds ?
lusty grotto
hold burst for when you clear stacks so you onload on him
sure dude
adds didnt have a lot of hp back then
so they probably dont now
but also idk how youre geared in comparison
plus also, you can just clear adds with Velen's orbs
like i mentioned
nimble grail
Alright, gonna try to apply all of this
pallid quiver
It's important to know the whole thing is pretty much a DPS/mechanics check
If you're doing your damage rotation right, it shouldn't be too challenging. Just make sure to not stand in the poop for too long when doing so
And when you get to P2, you reflect the Twisted Reflection thing, which makes you immortal outside one shots
lusty grotto
well twisted reflections still applies the debuff, but the reflected damage is pretty huge
pallid quiver
twisted reflections is the interruptible one, not the stacking damage one
lusty grotto
oh you right
pallid quiver
It's the one you have to interrupt or else he heals to full
lusty grotto
annihilation is the one i was thinking of
lusty grotto
yea
pallid quiver
But if you reflect every twisted, it's literally the only thing that can kill you
lusty grotto
yup
its been 7 years
lol
i should do it again just to see how it compares but... 
eh
Luerce, when should i buy TWW
monday before standard launch?
ill stick to my guns and refuse to give preorder dollars to blizzard forever
@toxic pewter
you son of a bitch
lusty grotto
thanks
lusty sundial
Same thing happened to me. Had to go to the website ><
pallid quiver
monday before standard launch?
oh shoot i walked off to make dinner before you posted
Uh, a week after launch, so you can see if it ends up bein' real smell town
lusty grotto
sounds good
nimble grail
ok
keen leaf
ebon wren
bro I was doing 80k to a boss where my same bear ilvl can easily do 120k+. Need these buffs
(500 ilvl alts)
lusty grotto
these are TWW buffs
not live
again
if you were doing 80k to a boss in live, youre not playing correctly
try 250k
100s are 300k+
ebon wren
100s?
strong forum
r1 logs
lusty grotto
if youre doing 80k, youre basically afk
ebon wren
I’m just comparing alts lol. Not even geared calm down
Literally have cache gear not even set
lusty grotto
thats a problem these buffs which, are not live because they are for Beta and wont land in the live client until the exp hits, won't solve
ok
well then before comparing yourself to a bear
maybe look at gear?
hardy snow
I’m just comparing alts lol. Not even geared calm down
you said same 500 ilvl chars, so doing 80k at 500ilvl is doing something wrong with rotation
prisma crane
timber viper
Did the damage trinket nerfs for tanks go in or is it for the tww
lusty grotto
Did the damage trinket nerfs for tanks go in or is it for the tww
its in
timber viper
Are you guys using something in place of augury for damage in m+ like ashes, or totem or a stat stick
lusty grotto
we're not playing
timber viper
Lmao
lusty grotto
at best doing the event
augury was never that good anyway
anvil/totem/dreadplates are better
timber viper
I hate dreadplate
lusty grotto
manic grief
timber viper
Oh true
lusty grotto
i trust youre talking about DF and not remix
left escarp
nod