protection

[lusty grotto]

i see

[fallow nova]

A lot of employers have an EAP (Employee Assistance Program) where they'll fund it for a limited time.

[lusty grotto]

hes EU

[fallow nova]

Ah

[round pendant]

I'm UK

[fallow nova]

Well idk how they roll with that over there

[round pendant]

aka 0 mental helf

It's cool tho because I don't need it lmao

I'm sure it could help as it would help anyone understand themselves more

[lusty grotto]

everyone needs it though

[round pendant]

BUT it's not a big problem for me to sometimes feel bad about m+

[lusty grotto]

theres no such thing as "i dont need it"

but obviously i dont know how it works over there

so, just keep it in mind

[fallow nova]

There's a difference between it being useful and "needing" it.

[round pendant]

"Need it to remain a functional non-mentally unwell person" then

[fallow nova]

right

[lusty grotto]

thats not how it works

youre falling into the stigma

anyway this is severely OT

so ima drop it

[fallow nova]

As someone who's undergone it, I promise you I'm not 🙂

But I agree

[round pendant]

Maybe I'm just bad at explaining myself but I don't think it's as big a deal as you seemingly think it is

I was just expressing how keys fuck my mental sometimes

but I guess you're right in that it's something I have to figure out myself

[lusty grotto]

youre being perfectly clear

[fallow nova]

The real move here is to embrace the fact that you're playing a WARRIOR and as a big badass WARRIOR you need to tell any pug critics to stick their feedback where the Light don't shine and continue being your badass, blood-soaked self.

At least any criticism you get on here from logs etc. will actually be valid and useful for improving.

[round pendant]

btw is it still possible to get portals unlocked in prepatch?

[round pendant]

Yeah this discord has made me a significantly better player

[lusty grotto]

it should be yes

[dusky canopy]

Yes someone got BH last night with me

[lusty grotto]

the only thing that you cant get is rank titles

[fallow nova]

A lot of my improvement from being on here didn't even come from direct feedback, but seeing the advice others were often getting

(You see that button you're pressing that ISN'T SS? Stop that. SS is available. Press SS.)

Understanding how to properly maximize rage economy for cooldowns was a big one for me

[round pendant]

nome pointed out my lack of SSing recently so I started SSing more and my dps only went up a little 🤔

but my logs look nicer on the APM side so that's cool

[distant fractal]

There's nobody in this world that would be better off not getting therapy.

[fallow nova]

It's not just DPS. It's survivability.

[round pendant]

Yeah ofc, never had an issue with that though

Just saw nome doing like 50k more dps than me at similar gear levels

still don't get it, but maybe I'll figure it out next season heh

[fallow nova]

More rage = more IP, more SS = more Shield Wall, the list goes on

[round pendant]

Chances are tho he just pulls way bigger, m+ logs be like that

[fallow nova]

Yeah, there's more than just rotational concerns with maximizing DPS. A fair bit of that comes down to how to play out the dungeon itself

[round pendant]

I made a meme

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt compare yourself to Nome

or choco

or sense

theres a lot of factors that just skill

higher key, lower key, pull size, PI, windfury, trinkets, ilvl in general

talent choices

[fallow nova]

Bear in mind that you cannot (almost ever) pull for pugs the way you pull for a properly coordinated (as in, comms and understanding of cc orders) group

[lusty grotto]

let me rephrase that, comparing logs is fine

but sometimes the scenarios they are in are better for overall dps

[fallow nova]

^^^^

[round pendant]

Yeah I don't even want to be as good as those guys, but they're good to learn from

[fallow nova]

Pugs will often die to coordinated upper-tier pulls

[lusty grotto]

im not saying they do it, but there's also sandbagging going on in logs usually

[fallow nova]

They're good to learn from in terms of what you can do for yourself. But pulling, though managed by you, still has group input requirements for cc etc

[lusty grotto]

and cheesing

raid logs for example can be fucking hugely skewed if you have grieftorch feeders

etc

and in the past there have been some parse cheeses that were extremely obvious

past expansions at least

[round pendant]

I aim for 95ish parses in raid for my ilvl (or overall if I bothered to farm gear that season)

heroic pugs, not guild or mythic raids

and of course, not dying

[fallow nova]

Raid groups tend to not like when we spec too hard into the Floor Inspector tree

[lusty grotto]

in this expansion that's kind of impossible

[round pendant]

my m+ dps has always kinda lacked parses wise though and I think it's mainly because I don't pull as big as the people who parse high on damage in keys since there's way more variables they have to have in check

[fallow nova]

I've seen it happen plenty of times in heroic pugs

sadly enough

[lusty grotto]

there is no floor pov tree

for prot

theres scuffed no-dps ultra surv that doesnt do shit trees

[fallow nova]

To be fiar, it wasnt warriors that I was usually seeing die

[lusty grotto]

but no floor pov choices

[limpid ruin]

That sounds like a challenge

[lusty grotto]

i mean i guess Funky's 2h tanking build is... kind of a floor pov build

if you wanna go there lmao

[fallow nova]

I just meant in terms of doing things that lead to dying, not actual literal talent choices lol

[round pendant]

You know this might sound really dumb but can you swap weapons mid combat in raid?

What if you have a macro for switching between sword n board and 2h

switch to 2h when you're offtank

[lusty grotto]

if youre talking about fyralath

you cant

but other weapons sure

though im pretty sure gholak locks you out

[fallow nova]

They should give warrior a talent like in a bunch of anime shows where we can wield a 1h in our mouth

Fury would love it

[lusty grotto]

theres a weird weapon swap lockout with cantrip weapons

[round pendant]

I fell off this season, avg like 90 parses in raid

even worse in vault cause cotank killed me on kurog and I got delegated to tanking the single add for half the fight on dathea

[lusty grotto]

weird since we can solo tank dathea

[round pendant]

They wanted someone to hold the add while everyone pumped boss and skipped the platform phase

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

just why not have the tank that can charge back on every knock on dathea

pug mentality, what can you do

[fallow nova]

That's one of my favorite fights to be pwar on

[round pendant]

yeah who knows

yeah I like dathea too

[fallow nova]

She's trying to knock you all the way to saturn and you just won't let her

[lusty grotto]

bear and vdh can solo tank her too

[fallow nova]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

so i hope it wasnt a bdk or prot pally

(:

[round pendant]

was vdh iirc

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

[fallow nova]

I've spent a LOT more time raiding on my paladin than my war this expansion though. Forgot the little things like that, that I missed.

[lusty grotto]

i wonder if brew can solo tank it

[fallow nova]

with the air dash?

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure they can if they are good brews

[fallow nova]

roll, jump, get knocked, dash should cancel it right?

[lusty grotto]

transcendence

yeah they 100% can

but nish can correct me on that

[fallow nova]

Oh I didn't even think about transcendence. That makes sense too

I'm considering moving from my icon-with-countdown SB/IP trackers weakauras to bars, since I got so used to that with SoTR/Cons on my pally. Any recommendations?

[lusty grotto]

i make my own

[fallow nova]

Yeah, that's also an option

[lusty grotto]

well for SB only

i dont really track IP

[fallow nova]

SB is easy, IP has more going on for number display but it's duable

I'm sure I can look at the one I've got and glean enough for it

That's how I've done most of my other class WAs for mage and shammy

If I'm going to stop healing for TWW, I'll probably also change around my health bar setup too.

Makes more room beneath my char

[lusty grotto]

thats why any unitframe addon is superior to default

just make profiles

i suppose default ui also has that option somewhere

[fallow nova]

It does, I just don't like the jarring effect of swapping between profiles

Plus as Paladin I spent enough time mousing over group member's health bars that using my healing profile just made sense

I'm not throwing targeted heals/externals out as a warrior, though

Occasional Intervene at the most

But yeah, the introduction of the grid-based edit mode, saving UI profiles and turning default health bars into the big fat class color based ones to the default UI was nice

[round pendant]

default player/target frames suck so bad though

[fallow nova]

Eh, they don't bother me

I use Quazii's bars for enemy nameplates

[sudden tangle]

Where do I find the spell reflect helper

The weakaura

[lusty grotto]

in wago

[red otter]

Hello my fellow shield lovers I've a question.

Wowhead shows 2 M+ builds for prepatch

What is the immortal one and it doesnt seem to work (ingame) nor does it show later in the guide

Only the first one does

[lusty grotto]

immortal build was for before prepatch

maybe Nome hasnt updated the link

anyway use the pinned ones

[red otter]

Thanks!

[strong forum]

I have it updated

But the copy/pasting on wowhead is broken

Or rather, ingame

Some specs simply can't paste talent strings

The immortal build is simply overkill tanky as it chooses the "cheat death" talent and bolster instead of shield charge

[stoic pilot]

speaking of guide, small change but shows SR still being a 20% magic DR

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

which page

found it

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I’ve noticed certain builds don’t import into the game correctly

Happened to me on arms and prot

[hardy snow]

and is it not?

oh, its 25 now in prot

I was checking in arms XD

[lusty grotto]

[grim pilot]

write really really good since you said its really good for 20% dr

[lusty grotto]

yes

words

[strong forum]

write this instead

[lusty grotto]

rofl

[grim pilot]

its censored

I dont know what it is

[strong forum]

eta gg

[shell fox]

does ward of faceless ire can be applyed on myself?

[grim pilot]

yes

@strong forum have u done any math

on how much tankier tanks are

in prepatch

[shell fox]

the yes was for me?

[grim pilot]

since we got armor n stats

yes

[shell fox]

thanks

[chilly brook]

Blizzard just catching Ls

wtf is this myth track change

on top of doubling the amount of content needed to upgrade gear

[strong forum]

did not

cuz idc

tanking is just as boring as it was before

you still take 0 dmg

[chilly brook]

@strong forum can I sell you some art?

[shell fox]

OH NO

[strong forum]

sure but i aint paying

[grim pilot]

yeah idk I still cant figure it out

[shell fox]

they reversed the nerfs?

[chilly brook]

[strong forum]

what nerfs

[grim pilot]

I feel like

[lusty grotto]

what nerfs

[shell fox]

tank nerfs

[grim pilot]

we're 2-3 key levels stronger (tanks in general)

[strong forum]

theyre in TWW

[chilly brook]

no

[strong forum]

not in prepatch

[lusty grotto]

there are no tank nerfs in prepatch

its TWW only

[chilly brook]

reading comprehension not found

[shell fox]

who even care about prepatch

its tww yes

[lusty grotto]

the fuck

youre asking about faceless ire

in the live channel

[shell fox]

uh

[lusty grotto]

#1230008411333066913

youre obviously playing live, not beta

so make up your mind

because who the fuck plays faceless ire in live, much less in beta

so "who cares about prepatch?" you do

[shell fox]

why are you still on this

[lusty grotto]

yes

problem?

[shell fox]

it was a simple mistake dont make it sound like the entire ocean

[lusty grotto]

the entire ocean, interesting choice of words

[shell fox]

yes because its big and everyone can see

[toxic pewter]

That wat she said

[lusty grotto]

true

ill allow it apb

[toxic pewter]

[urban portal]

I have that guy. Locked

Blocked

Lmao

Didn’t even realize

[grim pilot]

who

did u block

[lusty grotto]

thats a huge red flag i guess

[shell fox]

this guy is blocked too

[urban portal]

Not you bby

[toxic pewter]

We GOT A BLOCK WAR

[lusty grotto]

what is it with 4 letter name leaf users

today, specifically

[urban portal]

Happens

[shell fox]

anyway i didnt know we had to talk in other channels about beta or live, mb

take care

[lusty grotto]

what a backpedal

a message deleter too

[shell fox]

im not a native english speaker

so sometimes i say things without wanting to, i think its a cultural thing

[dusky canopy]

[urban portal]

If I drop slurs

I don’t delete them

Be a man of your word

[lusty grotto]

gosh darn it RoninY

[dusky canopy]

A real one

[chilly brook]

damn bro dropped a slur?

[tribal wharf]

GDKP enjoyer

[merry sluice]

if i leave

and rejoin

will i get a leaf icon?

cna i make my name 4 letters

[pallid quiver]

yes, you'll get a leaf if you rejoin

discord not so smart

[rigid yew]

Just think... out there is a prot warrior that doesn't know shield block exists.

[strong forum]

not just 1

[pallid quiver]

it's a lot more than 1

And there's also those who know it exists, and refuse to use it often

and then even more that think they're using it, but they're not

[obtuse egret]

Is it only the tier set that consumes bleeds? or is there an ability that does something similar?

[lusty grotto]

only tier

[obtuse egret]

noted, thank you

So would you ever actually press rend? or just always apply with thunder clap?

[lusty grotto]

Skullsplitter for arms is the closest thing to bleed consume (but its not a bleed consume)

[lusty grotto]

read pins

the blood and thunder part, is now base Thunder clap

so it still applies

[obtuse egret]

Ah okay, thank you.

What is the filler spell? if I dont have rage to use on revenge?

[lusty grotto]

there is none

SS > TC > Rev is the prio

revenge is basically pressed very little

its a big dps loss

[obtuse egret]

Oh is it? ive been pressing it a lot

[lusty grotto]

you burn rage with IP

[obtuse egret]

oh, I thought it was the dps option, my bad

[lusty grotto]

rage over 60? press IP

its not

revenge is a gcd

IP is off gcd

we rather press rage generators as they do more damage in our gcds

and burn rage in between

you only press revenge if the other 2 are on cd

[obtuse egret]

so spam IP more, got it

[lusty grotto]

and on the opener to spread deep wounds

thats about it

[lusty grotto]

do not spam IP

over 60 rage, you press IP, in-between gcds

dont rage starve

rage starving and rage capping are a nono

[obtuse egret]

noted, ive been spamming too much then clearly.

[lusty grotto]

always keep 30 rage up for SB

but never go above 70 rage

so your rage bar should always be moving between 30 and 70

ideally

[obtuse egret]

got it, thanks for the help

[obtuse egret]

ah im reading through the pins now and see that IP has higher chance to proc the 2 set? Is that why Revenge is a damage loss? or even without tier set would it be low prio?

[lusty grotto]

revenge has been a damage loss all expansion

even without tier

it hits for less than TC

and SS should always be top damage

it has nothing to do with tier

tier just benefits from the existing prio

so to answer your question, yes even without tier its the lowest prio

[obtuse egret]

noted, thank you 😄

[lusty grotto]

also the full prio is

Shield Slam > Thunder clap > Revenge/Execute

Execute will replace Revenge in any encounter with less than 3 targets

[obtuse egret]

ah I see, yeah i was like pure spamming revenge, oh no 😂

[lusty grotto]

well the good news, is that you can correct it

[obtuse egret]

true, should live now

[fallow nova]

Having healed a lot in S3, I can confirm there are plenty of them.

[obtuse egret]

Is there a cap on amount of ignore pains you can have up? or amount of shield?

[lusty grotto]

the cap does not matter

there is a cap but it doesnt matter cause you will still need to burn rage

you never stop

[obtuse egret]

ah okay

[lusty grotto]

dont overthink IP, its not our main active mitigation

Shield block uptime is whats important

[obtuse egret]

Yeah I think im lacking on that as well

[lusty grotto]

if you have less than 5400 haste rating

play heavy repercussions instead of into the fray

it'll help with shield block uptime

only play into the fray if youre over 5400 haste rating

ideally not counting Howling Rune

shield block uptime should be as close to 100% as possible

90%+ in practice

[obtuse egret]

ah okay, ill work on that as well

[lusty grotto]

keep up shield block is the core of prot warrior

it is by far the most important thing

so yeah work on that first, then damage priority then rage management

[obtuse egret]

will do

[merry sluice]

I love when blizzard stealth changes %

and make zero announcement in it

first are aof nokhud gives different % now w/ zero elaboration

good game

[shy python]

Just macro Shield Block into Shield Slam (of you are lazy like me) 🙂

[lusty grotto]

No

[shy python]

Why not?

[lusty grotto]

it promotes improper play

[shy python]

But we wanna use it on CD right?

[lusty grotto]

no

SB has a cap in duration

you will end up wasting SBs

it caps at 3 times its base duration

[shy python]

How much is the max duration?

[lusty grotto]

do not recommend that please, if you do it its your sub, but its not good

read the tooltip

then multiply by 3

hence "3 times its base duration"

[shy python]

I had around 30s Shield Block with Last Stand talent. Is that an exception?

[lusty grotto]

bolster has an exception

by why are you even playing it

[shy python]

Okay.
Well sounded nice 🙂

[lusty grotto]

dont talent bolster

Shield Charge + Champ's Bulwark

or look at our pinned builds

[shy python]

Yeah yeah 😛

[lusty grotto]

unless Last Stand has CDR its not any better than Champ's Bulwark

but LS doesnt have any, not this season (it did in s2 with tier)

[shy python]

Im Main arms.
Tank only when I can outgear M+ Keys 😅

[lusty grotto]

ok well

if youre an arms main

look at our pinned builds

and dont recommend scuffed stuff like "macroing SB to SS"

[waxen frigate]

this gives me @tribal wharf vibes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5FRBx4GlDo

[shy python]

"Look here how I slowly kill myself!"

[shy python]

One more thing:
Even with 50% haste (8sec SB cooldown) I never get to a 3x duration if I press it on CD

[lusty grotto]

1. with a macro you might be pressing it as a pack is dying (which wastes an entire charge, if not more depending on your pulling speed)
2. when you recommend stuff like that you have no idea if they are playing HR or ITF, and/or if they have the same amount of haste as you do

its bad play

do not do it

and do not recommend it

SB is our most important maintenance buff and active mit, you need to be able to maintain it

because if blizzard one day decides that DF levels of SB management are just too easy, you will get fucked right back to SL

and then anyone used to this macro scuffage will drop dead in seconds

[shy python]

Well I trying that macro for weeks now and I never lost the buff.

[lusty grotto]

good for you

but do not recommend it here

also youre playing bolster...

how the fuck are you gonna lose SB uptime

that'd be a miracle

[shy python]

You are strange...

You tell me don't recommend it cause it leads to improper gameplay cause I could lose SB uptime.
I tell you I don't lose uptime and you tell me "Yeah, don't recommend it despite it."

[lusty grotto]

dont recommend it period

thats it

its your sub youre free to do whatever

i cannot make you play proper talents

or do it correctly

same way i cannot make you maintain proper rage usage as Arms, or to hold for a fat ToM

same way i cannot tell you to play ED, or not before prepatch

[shy python]

I got that but do you have a reasonable reason apart from "I want it that way"?

[lusty grotto]

i just listed 3 whole reasons

would you rather see it from an orange name?

theyll be waking up soon

or a yellow name

[shy python]

Yeah maybe I'll ask again later

[lusty grotto]

you werent even asking in the first place

you just replied to someone i was already helping

[shy python]

Yeah but later on

[lusty grotto]

#protection message here you go

here you go

but im sure they'll be up soon so you can get a live answer

[shy python]

Yeah yeah.
Don't get me wrong. I'm playing prot since Legion and always hat seperate bindings for SB and IP.

But things change and why not be open for new ways to play?

[lusty grotto]

just remember, i gave you

1. #protection message
   2 & 3. #protection message
   reasons

thats not a new way to play

people have been macroing SB since forever, look at the dates

and we still tell them no

[shy python]

You didn't give reasons just bans

[lusty grotto]

theres no "new way" in DF

those are perfectly good reasons

with detailed explanations

all 3 of them

i have no idea what a ban means

in that context

i also have 0 idea why you keep going

[merry sluice]

So apparently blizzard decided to hide the value of trash
while also 'rounding them to the nearest %'

Which seems to be fine for most dungeon
but sounds like pure fucking bullshit testing % for future dungeons, ty blizzard for continually sucking

but in the case of nokhud they completely fucked something up qas it requires pull in two extra packs as its nearly a 3-4% gap from before pre-patch

I love this game

ty blizzard

[shy python]

You only "forbid" to macro it but can't tell a reasonable reason

[merry sluice]

It’s something with the first area as both looking up random vods of prepatch and my own runs, everyone is coming out with 3ish less % than they should

Can’t tell you which mob actually has its math fucked up, bc blizzard hid the exact value of enemies 🙂

[lusty grotto]

bro

i literally

gave you

3 reasons

explaining why

[shy python]

No that's no reason

[lusty grotto]

oh its not?

[shy python]

You only told "you can lose uptime" but you don‘t.

[lusty grotto]

reason 1

reason 2

reason 3

[shy python]

I read that all.

And I again tell you this isnt gonna happen. I tried it

A lot

[lusty grotto]

and i told you

its your sub

[shy python]

Lol 😅

[lusty grotto]

but do not recommend it because it will probably not work for other people

due to reason 3

[shy python]

So my sb is different from yours? o

[lusty grotto]

yes?

not everyon here has the same haste rating

[shy python]

So the Code of my wow is different? Oo

[lusty grotto]

not everyone here plays ITF due to their haste rating

are you fucking dense

do you understand how SB cd works?

do you understand people play HR instead of ITF if they have less tha 5400 haste rating?

you do not

[shy python]

To make sure not to lose uptime. And this will not happen even with that macro.

[lusty grotto]

do you

understand

HR

is played

with less than

5400 haste?

which is not

[shy python]

Test it if you don‘t believe me.

[lusty grotto]

whatever your fucking haste is?

[shy python]

Test it with how much haste you wish

[lusty grotto]

link your char

let me see your haste rating

[shy python]

It's arms speced rn. 30% haste on prot said this

[lusty grotto]

ok well put on prot gear

or link me rio

and i can see a key with your prot stats

or hell

link me a log

with your macro

that'd be even better

[shy python]

No time now. Breakfast.
We carry on later.

[lusty grotto]

ok well give me your character's name and i can look it up

[shy python]

Yanthir - Arthas

[lusty grotto]

sad

no prot logs, only leaderboard

518 ilvl

hmm

[merry sluice]

without a log how do you know ur shieldblock uptime

[lusty grotto]

cause hes full of shit

[merry sluice]

playing 8-10s u can drop shieldblock

and live just fine

[lusty grotto]

im just putting it out in the open

[merry sluice]

im implying he probably is dropping shieldblock and isn't punished bc of the lvl

[lusty grotto]

how much haste do you reckon he has

with 518 ilvl and champ gear

and no primary stat gem

and only socket on waist and ring

and yet

when the season actually mattered

and i had ilvl cap

i never got to haste ratings i didnt feel i couldn't royally mess up on an SB gap, hell even choco didnt

[merry sluice]

fwiw I think blizz did randomly bump stat budget up on gear in prepatch
but i doubt nearly high enough since my ass just hit 5400 at 526

[lusty grotto]

its not enough

not for him anyway

i just wanna see a log

where this supposed uptime

is good

[merry sluice]

cursed I can't see his r.io i keep getitng an itnernal server error lol

[lusty grotto]

its pretty below average

[shy python]

Funny how you Flame about my gear as it has nothing to do with my point. 😉

[lusty grotto]

it has everything to do with your point

cause you claimed you had 50% haste

dont play dumb

in arms gear

which is what

[lusty grotto]

lmao did you just edit

[shy python]

No

[dark sluice]

[shy python]

I did not say I HAVE 50%

[lusty grotto]

how are you getting from 30% to 50% haste

then what you said means absolutely nothing

can you log a run today with your macro

so we can see the uptime

and that'll be that

maybe then youll realize how bad it is

[shy python]

My point is: NO MATTER how much haste and what talents you got sb will never fall of with that macro.
And I'm sure that nobody ever tested this.
You just saying "dont do this" since years.

[lusty grotto]

oh we've had people "testing it"

and then we point out how wrong they were with a log

that they link to us

which is exactly what i want you to see

since you apparently do not want to accept any of the reasoning ive provided

[merry sluice]

also just a huge waste of rage
gonan have a funtime trying to fish for resets with revenge or dumping into IP when I'm shieldblocking off cd nonstop

[lusty grotto]

yeah

pretty much

[shy python]

We wanna "waste" rage?
We press IP even if it's capped

[merry sluice]

what.

[lusty grotto]

we press ip above 70 rage

how are you gonna get there

[pallid quiver]

off topic invader, but when we playing uni

[lusty grotto]

if youre getting a net 0 rage every SS + SB

outside of outburst windows

[shy python]

Yeah. But even if it's capped.

[lusty grotto]

ok but thats not the point

+30 rage - 30 rage = 0

therefore youre finding that 70 rage for IP a lot slower

because everytime SB is up, youre pressing it right off the bat with an SS

you charge in, you SS and SB

your SS resets, you SS + SB again

ok now you start building up rage

until SB comes off cd

[merry sluice]

actually tempting
I've been so outta practice with my arthritis x.x

I need to get back into it lmfao if I can vibe my way back into under night i'll hit u up lol. Admittedly haven't actually kept up with it but you re-awoke my interest in it

YOOO SHE HAS A FISH LETS GO

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[pallid quiver]

I've won, Nim

I've finally lit the fire in at least one person in this chat

[merry sluice]

i mean i've mentioned anime fighters in here before tbf

Also had a big blazblue and Persona arena phase

for some reason I could never get into guilty gear though ;x

[lusty grotto]

Question @shy python how long have you been using this macro?

have you been using it since s1?

s2? s3?

[shy python]

A few weeks.
You forgot demo and Avatar in your opening

And roar

[lusty grotto]

cause your s3 uptime isnt looking so hot

enhance

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JzWZfyjC6xcA21k8#fight=1&type=damage-taken&source=2

[merry sluice]

troar doesnt generate rage anymore ;p
nor was it used for its rage gen

[lusty grotto]

im not discussing openers

[shy python]

I played around with +duration talents

[shy python]

Oh well okay

[merry sluice]

they removed its rage gen in prepatch

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter, we're not discussing openers

we're discussing what the macro does to his rage

the opener doesnt matter

its just a weird tangent he went in

anyway im looking forward to the S4 log

ping me when its ready

[shy python]

I will 👍

[young root]

ping me too im invested now

[normal current]

Is this set in stone, if you had 5380 for example would you not be able to keep uptime?

With ITF obviously

[median kayak]

what are overall "fine" numbers for uptime of sb and ip ?

[blazing condor]

ip uptime isn't really a thing we look at

sb id say "fine" is 85+

effective uptime that is

not just aura uptime

[median kayak]

Okay thy, but how Do i Figure out if im using IP right or wrong ?

Or Whats the aim i should Look at for ip

[jagged pier]

we just send rage on IP

theres not using it too much or too little

and u wont be able to tell that from uptime

from casts and rage spent on it etc

maybe we could

[median kayak]

Kk thy

[jagged pier]

same for sb we only care about blocked hits not uptime

we need logs for both things

[young root]

So during a raid encounter how do we ensure 85% uptime? I'm re rolling Prot Warrior from BDK so the premise of mitigation as opposed to self healing has me questioning

Obviously I understand mitigation it's just different on a BDK

[blazing condor]

the talents ensure that if you play correctly you can have 100% uptime

pwarr revolves around gaining and spending rage

its a feedback loop

so you gotta do your rotation correctly and push buttons

if you do that then you should have no problems having uptime of both IP and SB

[young root]

Thats actually strangely comforting

[jagged pier]

u would be suprised how many ppl struggle with it

even tho the spec is brain dead

[blazing condor]

good thing warriors dont have brains

[stuck berry]

[median kayak]

whats the correct rotation ? XD

[blazing condor]

go check out the guides they explain it 100 time better than i cba to do

either icyveins or wowhead

[median kayak]

kk ill try

[tulip warren]

hey all new to prot warrior , quick question , which dps spec is your go to that works better with prot gear ?

[tribal wharf]

someone on the cinematic said this should have been the TWW login screen, and i agree, while i like the current one it makes me feel as though im about to play hearthstone

[tribal wharf]

when i look at that video this is all i see im sorry lol

[jagged pier]

arms

[tulip warren]

ty ty

[bleak breach]

hey guys, where is the spell reflect WA? couldn't find it in pins. maybe i missed it?

[normal current]

Hey, that’s enough of that

[jagged pier]

I mean it is

Is something off cooldown? Yes, press it.

No rage manegement

[normal current]

It is, but that’s enough of that 😉

[jagged pier]

No shueld block magement

No cooldown mangent

The spec has had all skill expression removed

Its just can u press buttons faster than the next person

[normal current]

There are more complicated tanks out there tho if that’s your thing

I quite like being able to zone out when tanking

[jagged pier]

All tanks have been made very easy in the last expansion

None of them are complicated

The role is dead

I liked having to think about multiple things at once

That was engaging for me

[normal current]

True

Can’t remember the last time tanking was actually hard

[strong forum]

when one was bad

or well

SL pwar actually

good times

[normal current]

I think the last time I remember having to concentrate was TBC heroics

Been a blur since

[blazing condor]

meanwhile bdks

[strong forum]

the good ol "limit testing" bait

[jagged pier]

also probably plays half the tanks wrong at the same time

[bleak breach]

are there any decent bigwigs profiles i can import? guild wants me to run bigwigs and i've got 0 idea how to use it. i've always just ran DBM

[jagged pier]

u install BWs

done

its the same thing

just move the bars to where u had DBM bars

[bleak breach]

ahh i see, my bigwigs wasn't popping up with taunts and stuff like that

[jagged pier]

why would u need that?

[bleak breach]

i like to be notified lol

[jagged pier]

but taunts happen after ither a big boss mechanic, i.e a very telegraphed event that should be enough

[strong forum]

BW doesnt tell you when to taunt

BW tells you when a mechanic happens, but doesnt tell you what to do

[jagged pier]

if its a stack event are you not paying attention to your co tanks stacks?

[bleak breach]

just used to DBM i guess

[plush tendon]

IDK, this would've been siq

[tribal wharf]

i saw the picture of the monkey and made a stupid meme

hard to think of anything other than the orc wc3 missions

[tribal wharf]

also ya, that too, you get to watch the large metal containers splash around as they get transported towards middle ish (now im thinking of that simpsons steel mill gig god damnit)

[neat crow]

Don't mention UE being a dead talent

[toxic pewter]

still kinda wild to me slam does like 15% more damage st than revenge

does blizzard actually want us to be pressing it? surely not..

[tribal wharf]

shield slam yes

[fallow nova]

Slam doesn't reset Shield Slam though, does it?

[toxic pewter]

na it doesnt

still just find it weird

[fallow nova]

Then it's a no go

But yeah, it does LOOK like we should be slamming in ST otherwise, I just don't think they fleshed that out

[strong forum]

they buffed slam for arms, to not a turbo garbage button anymore

and since we share most class generic spells with arms, it also ends up on our table

[toxic pewter]

Am I wrong or didnt the sim actually say to use slam or am I misremembering

[fallow nova]

I wouldn't mind something different to whack a boss with than Revenge, but the lack of SS resets makes me think it's probably an overall dps loss.

Idk about the Sim though.

[strong forum]

slam is not in the sim

at all

neither is WW

neither is manual rend usage

[fallow nova]

When I was healing a bunch in S2/3, seeing prot wars spam ww was so soul-crushing...

[merry sluice]

i used to have a co-tank warrior who could never hold aggro off me...
turns out he was spamming whirlwind. pain

[fallow nova]

I see pwar displayed like that more than other tanks and I really don't get why.

Ignoring shield block, ww instead of revenge, had one last season that literally told me he didn't think he'd need IP on his bars

2nd place probably goes to the number of bears I saw that never pressed iron fur a single time throughout the key

[violet ginkgo]

What a time to be alive eh Wardrum? At least I rarely see it.

[fallow nova]

It definitely keeps things fresh I suppose lol

I got into a gameplay loop where I'd get bored of tanking keys and want to heal, but then I'd heal enough terrible pug tanks that it would make me want to tank again lol

[keen glade]

well, WW is a big brain move.. it hits mobs in a 360 /sarcasm off

[violet ginkgo]

but terrible tank when you are on healer role usually only once in a while, the dpses though.... damn some dps straight up refuse to interupt.

[fallow nova]

Interrupting is a dps loss

Same with going to the bathroom, sleeping and eating

[lusty grotto]

5400 minimum for ITF was pretty much set in stone for the entire exp, yes

ITF just gets better the more haste ryou have so it's just a bare min

So 5400 is when ITF overtakes HR for SB uptime

Play HR if you're at 5380, like you mentioned

[blazing condor]

all my homies like % based buffs

[normal current]

Cheers, I’m at about 5700 I think (arms gear)

[lusty grotto]

ITF should be fine at that point

but if you have gaps

you can play HR until you get higher haste

5400 is an ideal number basically

i actually didnt swap back to ITF this season until around 5700-5800

because i noticed some gapping, and in high keys that means death

anyway that number will change in TWW

because of how ratings change with leveling

[blissful sable]

Does anyone have the at curser for heroic leep?

[steady seal]

If I just came back, never played SL or DF, got my warrior to 70. Should I just wait for this event in a few days for catchup gear?

[toxic pewter]

Might as well just play and have fun until new xpac

Will prob use pre patch event to get most of your gear though

[steady seal]

Ok thanks. I'll probably get the DK up to 70 also.

I read that faction essentially doesn't matter anymore. Are there any limitations? Most chars alliance but I got horde ones too.

[toxic pewter]

Only limitations are certain queued activities such as looking for group dungeons or lfr raids. They’re still faction specific. Also can’t really group up with opposite faction to do outdoor world activities

Can also check out on pandaria remix if you feel like it since it’s a limited time event can acquire a lot of stuff and level characters there even

[steady seal]

Appreciate the answers 🙂

Love the gnomes but also wondering if I should just be for the horde for the next one hehe

[lusty grotto]

its good to have options

[merry sluice]

also its just a weaker haste gain too

[urban portal]

@lusty grotto did we ever get those logs

[lusty grotto]

not yet

[south zealot]

bro how the fuck do i turn on dps column on details

i actually forgot where the thing is

i know its in options but i just cant find it

[strong forum]

"per second"

Or smth

Or PS

Or smth

[frosty mango]

How’s prot doing in pre patch

I ran a few higher keys and didn’t really take any damage, but my dps output felt eh. My sample size of one is t really great 😑

[lusty grotto]

not much has changed

for the worse or the better

class tree is kinda locked down which a lot of us consider a bad thing, but the overall output is around the same

[tribal wharf]

war (warrior) warrior never changers

warrior, especially prot, is "always were" besides 100% sb, not much has changed about pwar since pretty much vanilla or beta wow

only time i recall hearing of huge changes was the legion stance, and then that was contained to legion

charge at enemy, shield slam revenge and execute to death

[shy python]

@lusty grotto
10 Academy. Don't know if there's log.

[lusty grotto]

we need a log

and thats not good either

16 mins?

what key is this

[shy python]

10 Academy

[lusty grotto]

only leaderboard, no log

we cant do anything with that details snip

even then 87% is low

but we're lacking a lot of context

[shy python]

yeah I will gather more

[lusty grotto]

log

thats what we asked for

[tribal wharf]

what rolls down stairs, and over your neighbours dog

[toxic pewter]

slinky

[ornate thicket]

Anyone have a working M+ timer not base ui? Was using warp deplete and it seems bugged now

[strong forum]

Get the weakaura

https://wago.io/M+Timer

This one better than any addon

[tribal wharf]

i still prefer the .000 timers cuz pepega but ya

those are kinda fake anways, and you can even get by with 0.1 time displays, racing game thing to have 2 and 3 decimal places for time

[craggy harness]

i think the warpdeplete addon isn't playing nice with other addons that are trying to attach to objective frame... world quest tracker and azeroth pilot reloaded seem to also be messing with each other

but yeah, seems to work fine without the other two addons hooking onto objective frame, but ymmv

[lusty grotto]

they are just holding out for the fixes, the game is bugged when it comes to count

and everything has been reported already

[ornate thicket]

yeah i had an m+ timer WA too but not sure if it was that one. Ill give it a go, thanks @strong forum

[merry sluice]

does that work now?
i grabbed the most recent update and it just wouldnt show % at all
and that was after the author said he changed the way it displays since blizzard is a dogwater company and decided to fuck with trash count

[lusty grotto]

afaik

it hasnt been fixed

so until that happens most timer addons will be kinda broken

and weakauras too

hell its even acknowledged in that one WA that nome linked

[merry sluice]

nah it was like evne more broken last time I used it than the description of the wa implies.

it wasnt just -+.5% off

I finished an algethar at 100% with the wa showing 30% 😬

[shell fox]

you must have insane haste.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[shell fox]

more haste=rage?

[lusty grotto]

what are you

talking about

[shell fox]

its easier to get rage with haste?

or is just a myth

[lusty grotto]

what does that have to do with mob count

what conversation are you replying to

what is the context

[shell fox]

just asking.

[lusty grotto]

ok im asking what does this mean

[shell fox]

ignore pain %

[lusty grotto]

brother, youre not giving me context at all

use your words

or point me in the right direction

did you mean yanthir's ?

because what he put in is not good

[shell fox]

which stat increase our rage gain?

like being hit by mobs, using abilities

[lusty grotto]

can you answer my question so i know what we're talking about specifically?

[shell fox]

that was my question the entire time

the rage gain stuff

[lusty grotto]

all stats affect our rage gain

pretty much

[chilly brook]

Haste does theoretically mean more rage but honestly if you wanna maximize your rage gain make sure you’re pressing shield slam on CD

[lusty grotto]

i didnt want to explain everything

[chilly brook]

Stats are not worth worrying about

Equip ilvl

And fix your play

[lusty grotto]

because he didnt ask for any explanation

[chilly brook]

Enjoy

[merry sluice]

bigger ivl = more live

[chilly brook]

Bigger ilvl = more everything including damage normally

Outside of specific slots and items of course but I’m not getting into specifics

[merry sluice]

if u want more rage gen

duo with a shaman 😉

[cerulean tusk]

Haste = faster swings, lower CDs

So more rage

Crit equals more rage on autos, so more rage

Don't worry about rage gain values tho, I am not sure why you ask. Just know, you don't have to minmax it at all

[lusty grotto]

theres a lot of talent combos that can affect rage gain

so tldr

all stats affect rage gain

which is what i told him, he didnt ask us to elaborate

[cerulean tusk]

Wait, isn't bloodsurge a flat % per tick?

[lusty grotto]

also his entire thing was completely out of the blue, and without context so whatever

[cerulean tusk]

Dam value of the ticks should have no impact on rage gained, if it is flat% value and hasted ppm

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre right

[cerulean tusk]

What talent/combo grants rage for mast/Vers were you thinking of?

[lusty grotto]

its a flat 5 rage

my iq fucking dropped

trying to figure out what the fuck they were talking about

did you see what he said first?

[cerulean tusk]

I am trying to figure you out atm

[strong forum]

works on my machine

[cerulean tusk]

Nome, you prob know what Nim was thinking of. My brain no work

[lusty grotto]

no

i just said

my iq dropped

and im babbling

so nothing i said makes any sense

try figuring out what they were talking about first

[strong forum]

they wanted to know if haste increases rage generation

just that

which yes, it does

massively

[lusty grotto]

okay?

[strong forum]

he just threw a curveball

not related to the previous statement at all

its evident that english isnt their first language

just take question at face value and answer that

[lusty grotto]

and this?

[cerulean tusk]

Wonder why ppl didn't just confirm hist statement

[strong forum]

or he prolly wasnt all the way scrolled down

ya idk what the ignore pain % is supposed to mean

[toxic pewter]

Done even generate rage from taking damage or blocking attacks these days

[strong forum]

we generate 3 rage from being hit by a melee attack

[lusty grotto]

its normalized

[strong forum]

with a 1 second CD

[lusty grotto]

[toxic pewter]

Blocking doesn’t do anything right

[strong forum]

you still get hit when you block

soooooo

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[strong forum]

yeah

[toxic pewter]

And crit attacks don’t give more rage like it does for arms

[cerulean tusk]

Oh?

[toxic pewter]

That’s arms only thing

[lusty grotto]

outburst crits

[strong forum]

correct

thats only an arms thing

outburst crits just do phat dammies

[grim pilot]

@strong forum

[strong forum]

but nothing to do with rage

[grim pilot]

save me

heal my 16 bh

im with pauck

[strong forum]

i can try

[grim pilot]

hop on

[cerulean tusk]

16 BH, do you even need a healer?

[grim pilot]

I dont

@sick sentinel does

[strong forum]

id wanna try as evoker but i dont trust my skills

[grim pilot]

play evo

if u want

[sick sentinel]

stop pinging me bro

[grim pilot]

there is nothing to heal in bh

@sick sentinel

[cerulean tusk]

As long you dispell, Pauck will be fine

[sick sentinel]

i can dispell disease from myself with feign death#

[grim pilot]

🐰

[strong forum]

wait

its afflicted

[grim pilot]

🥕

[strong forum]

[grim pilot]

we got u a druid

[sick sentinel]

healer just stanmd there and look stupid

like the entirety of dragonfly

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-vs-steamsad-gif-11516540021906382269

[lusty grotto]

i should..

[cerulean tusk]

Go to bed

[lusty grotto]

figure out out a way to restore my IQ lol

[sick sentinel]

why are you nitroboosting skyhold nimchip

[lusty grotto]

im like what the fuck is dragonfly

idk, ive been boosting it since bfa

never turned it off even when unsubbed

[strong forum]

ill stream it

for content

[lusty grotto]

im too lazy to turn it off i guess

[cerulean tusk]

In dstance Vs the buster?

Surprises me, but at least you got it done 👍 gj

[grim pilot]

rthere is no con tent

stop streaming

my fails

[strong forum]

your fail?

you mean mine

but i have no pride in my healing so im fine

[grim pilot]

STOP STREAMING MY FAILS

im getting globalled

every single pack

how does one play bdk

with these pulls

even in 16 this shit hurts

and im 520

so im kinda geared

[strong forum]

bdk always takes dmg

[grim pilot]

and I refuse

to take pussy talents

[cerulean tusk]

Oh, you play BDK in BH?

[grim pilot]

like imp vamp blood

no more

im logging on purple class

[cerulean tusk]

Ok, this is important, you got to stagger their melees with DND, if synced you get clapped

Gave up on BDK

Fbm

[grim pilot]

I mean thats like every tank no?

[cerulean tusk]

On warr I don't think much about it, on BDK I want time for DS to rotate in between

I play em very differently

[grim pilot]

I mean sure

but at high level

u kinda have to do it with every tank

p sure

[cerulean tusk]

BDK hits that wall so much faster, as "you can shield block twice AFTER you take the damage"

[strong forum]

10/10 quote

[bleak breach]

Feels different not having unstoppable force

[radiant mortar]

How is it going my prot brother and sisters

[blazing condor]

[radiant mortar]

don't die like a dog

[jagged pier]

[vocal cave]

theres no bullion vendor for xmogs only?

[radiant mortar]

there is, they are standing in the same room, but in a corner

[violet ginkgo]

For weapons only right? the armor seems not available

[toxic pewter]

yeah mostly just weapons

[plush path]

fueled by violence and brutal vitality remained the same right? doesnt matter which one to use

[toxic pewter]

pretty much

[shell fox]

hey

do i need rend on my bar as prot?

because its applying with my thunderclap

i dont think i need it, i'll save my keybind to another skill

[toxic pewter]

Dont need it

or slam, whirlwind

[shell fox]

yeah

hey, thanks.

[toxic pewter]

[shell fox]

another question

if i remove rend from my tree

thunderclap will still apply?

[dark barn]

Thunderclap cant apply something doesnt exist

[toxic pewter]

Na, need to talent rend still

[shell fox]

yeah, makes sense, thanks again.

[high lava]

Might be a silly question but anyone have pictures of their action bars? I’m new to tanking and however I set up my bars for prot something always feels a little off in the rotation

[shell fox]

mine's kinda weird

[dark barn]

My mouse have 16 buttons make wow much easier

[jagged pier]

i mean the bars should be for you. I wouldnt give anyone my binds

[toxic pewter]

taunt on number 1 sort of weird to me personnally

[shell fox]

1 is super easy for me

[toxic pewter]

right..

[dark barn]

I use charge in 1 cause is near w

[keen leaf]

thats why keybinds are personal

[toxic pewter]

revenge is my 1

[shell fox]

they'll mock eachothers bind, i get it now

[toxic pewter]

not mocking just find it strange

[jagged pier]

thats my point its to the person taunt is always 1 for me has been since vanilla

[shell fox]

^

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[jagged pier]

20 years it aint changing now

[dark barn]

I think you used a very easy key in a cooldown. (Thunderous roar). Use easy keys in spams. My q is on SL

[shell fox]

1 is taunt in EVERY tank i have

[toxic pewter]

1 is the most spammable ability a class may have

for me

[shell fox]

for me is alt+Q

[jagged pier]

alt 3 for sb is yikes tho

u press that alot

like more than SR

which is 4

[shell fox]

alt 3 is so easy for my hand

[toxic pewter]

wheres your shift r, shift e, shit q

[shell fox]

im not ok with shift plus keybinds yet

[toxic pewter]

i see

[jagged pier]

alt easier than shift no shot

[toxic pewter]

i consider shift easier than alt

[shell fox]

everyone has weirds keybinds

[violet ginkgo]

maybe easy but I think for ability that is need to be spammable maybe best to put it on without alt addition? Vs SR which you only use once in a while occasion and probably almost never depend on the boss you fight.