#protection
merry sluice
ew it turned off my gpu
shut summit
lusty grotto
ngl im still gonna expect to be server dicked ticked
prisma crane
or pc mega fast
paper coral
MIne is already done too. it was quick
merry sluice
warband conversion?
toxic pewter
when you log in for first time it has to like convert your account to work with new warbands system.. can take up to 20 minutes blizz said
prisma crane
mine was seconds as well
toxic pewter
yah warband bank disabled for everyone
toxic pewter
yah prob just let everyone in to play while they work with the bank issues
merry sluice
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worn scarab
what are we cookin for builds rn? Does tier still work?
lusty grotto
they are pinned
worn scarab
based
lusty grotto
tier does still work, yes
toxic pewter
just transferred all my timewarpe badges to my main.. feelsgoodman
vale bolt
I think this is the saddest thing about today
fallow fern
anyone else not able to log in?
stone cradle
anyone have plater working? it shows the style but none of my debuffs
violet ginkgo
They increase the stat for all items?
oblique gate
We dont take this bad boy anymore?
oblique gate
ah okay, it was something we took before though?
lusty grotto
yea
but the target cap, and buffs to uproar made uproar the better pick
in this version
oblique gate
sweet! the talent moves look great <3 I'm especially stoked for the shockwave change/CDR
hearty stump
Did anything really change for prot wars other than the talent reshuffle + overall tank tunning?
jagged pier
no
hearty stump
Wonder how the tank meta changes now with double sigils gone from VDhs.
blissful mirage
I would've said the only thing Prot War needed now to compete with VDH was a mass grip, but then they reverted the buff to challenging shout. Now it's a 1.3min CD. 1.5min in TWW
We could've had a mass grip but they wanted to put it on leap instead of the obvious choice of spear, lol.
hearty stump
We could've had a mass grip but they wanted to put it on leap instead of the obv...
Am I misunderstanding this? Was there some sort of change to leap?
jagged pier
no
blissful mirage
Dragonflight beta had a talent called Wrenching Leap, added mass grip to the end of leap
hearty stump
Good god that would've been amazing.
jagged pier
no because the range was like 5 yards anyway
blissful mirage
Yeah, it was a really bad mass grip. It also made heroic leap a 1.5min CD lmao.
hearty stump
Maybe not then
blissful mirage
Boggled my mind to see something like that when we have Spear, a talent that sees no play as a prot warrior and already has some sort of utility
jagged pier
i mean spears range is also tiny
hearty stump
Yeah, spear does seem like a rather obvious contender. Just make the range to what a VDH has.
blissful mirage
^ Range increase talent instead of the 2 bonus damage/rage gen talents seems like a good pick
Even without the utility though, prot should be a pretty good contender honestly. Seems really strong with a lot of safer/defensive picks and good synergy with the hero talents later
hearty stump
I'm just hoping for the higher keys to have a more balanced tank meta honestly.
hearty stump
And not a 88%/3%/0.1% split
I'm not referring to 22s
But at least in the low title range
hearty stump
There has been more even splits in the past. Even among DPS.
Take what patch 2.5 did and then compare it to s1
This shows a very good visual representation of what I'm referring to
Some seasons are better than others when it comes to diversity.
waxen frigate
nope that doesnt happen most of the time
Dragonflight s3/4 were historically bad
waxen frigate
Ok
You have to be completely head buried in sand to not realize vdh was by far the most oppressive tank meta m+ has seen
Regardless of caring about title lol
jagged pier
no i know that
but he was talking about highend and all i said was theres usualy a swap to whats meta at highend
which his graph doesnt disprove
but it proves there was slightly more diversity before S3
hardy snow
this graph doesnt show meta for 0.1% properly, its for top 2000 runs each week, and for example in DF season 2 there were ~1m runs or less since week5, so graph shows also lots of runs outside of title
harsh trellis
I wish they would swap Fast Footwork and Intervene
near pewter
is the only penalty to using D stance now just 3% crit?
plush path
yo gang
strong forum
correct
hardy snow
I knew there will be issues with addons, as usual, but I wouldnt expect that my bags with no addon on them would look like this XD
hardy snow
btw. its just tooltip issue, or they didnt change it despite patch notes? XD
strong forum
that buff doesnt apply to retail
itll come with TWW
same as indom isnt nerfed yet
hardy snow
aahh right, it was TWW tanks nerfs, not prepatch notes
strong forum
btw if your details isnt working, download the alpha version of details
that one works
crystal iris
ok hol up
I havent been following talent changes that much
and now my action bars are all fked up
crystal iris
but did they really remove titanic throw?
strong forum
yes
crystal iris
bruh whyyyyyy
round pendant
ooh I like sidearms new spot in the tree
round pendant
but did they really remove titanic throw?
You were using that?
crystal iris
sidearm is a garbage talent I was using titanic throw instead
so much easier when pulling multiple packs to just chuck titanic throw in there and have them all aggro
a single heroic throw only tags one enemy so the rest will proximity aggro onto your healer or DPS
it was such a nice QoL like in brack not having to run down to the first cage to aggro that pack, spending ressources
crystal iris
im upset but I guess its fine...
sidearm is free damage, ya like what 1% maybe and its completely passive
the talent could literally read (add XXX damage)
this gotta be the third week in a row i get this ring with avoidance on it lol
crystal mauve
Take it for the mount
crystal iris
i did, but i disenchanted the other ones oups
also turns out action bars arent messed up, you just need to unhide them and they come back
did they buff battering ram back to what it was?
I noticed the pre-patch talents have it on there instead of disrupting shout
round pendant
omg god please update plater omg
crystal iris
wait thats not true, what is picked up instead of disrupting shout?
round pendant
holy moly plater updated
round pendant
are chat channels cross-realm now?
toxic pewter
not that I am aware of
round pendant
it's putting me in an old chat channel that I had with an old group of friends on my previous server
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toxic pewter
I know communities can be cross realm and I guess guilds can be also now
but like general/trade/etc chat still server specific afaik
nimble grail
Hey anyone here has done mage tower ? Trying to do it on prot, watched videos but not seeing much progress, tho I think I know see my spec
If anyone has tips or some time to help me
plush tendon
you can game it a little bit with a twink set
MoP crafted PVP gear is pretty cheap and lets you socket
otherwise... I dont know.... I did the tank one as a bear and warrior as fury
nimble grail
Btw i am doing it for the challenge not trying to make it easier, i wanna prove myself i can do it, but did not planned to struggle this much
plush tendon
nimble grail
MoP crafted PVP gear is pretty cheap and lets you socket
I see, not sure it is how I want to do it tho but thanks !
plush tendon
I see, not sure it is how I want to do it tho but thanks !
yea; you can 100% do it natty
I just cared about getting it done... so we used all the trinks
do you pot and have drums? (consumes in general)
nimble grail
do you pot and have drums? (consumes in general)
I did not drum but haste pot and food
But usually its a one shot mecanism that kills me
I understood it its the stacks of the boss
But I cannot find how I can like do the fight kill the adds etc and still not get too many stacks
Maybe its just keep trying and 100 more pull will do the drill
plush path
yo
did prot warrior become this much stronger just bc of the talents?
i quit for a month and came back today but it feels way stronger
ornate thicket
Think some secondary stats increased with pre patch
ornate thicket
But I cannot find how I can like do the fight kill the adds etc and still not ge...
You talking about phase1 stacks?
plush tendon
But I cannot find how I can like do the fight kill the adds etc and still not ge...
Have you read the wowhead guide for the mage tower?
nimble grail
Have you read the wowhead guide for the mage tower?
No didn't even thought about it
gonna do it
ornate thicket
Wowhead guide is actually pretty good for it
nimble grail
You talking about phase1 stacks?
Yes
Like the stacks when you have too many you just lose max HP
And I am not sure how shall I use SR, better on the boss cast or on the eyes bump
Definitely gonna check the wowhead guide
round pendant
but like general/trade/etc chat still server specific afaik
no I mean custom chat channel things
plush tendon
Like the stacks when you have too many you just lose max HP
you get stacks by staying in melee
ornate thicket
Yeah you have to just burst til 5 or 6 stacks then get out. It falls off quickly. Its an incredible amount of micro managing and multi tasking
plush tendon
so you have to go in and out
ornate thicket
The black circle on ground builds the stacks and then you take more dmg
Charge in, blow your load, get out. Rinse and repeat while you dodge infernal frontals and kill eyebeams/tendril demons so they dont kill velen
It was much easier on pally and druid because they can do ranged dmg
plush tendon
it is scaled down for warrior I think
nimble grail
Okay thanks for all the tips
toxic pewter
Blizz made it so every time you log into prot warr it puts you in defensive stance.. lol.. kinda annoying
Every time you switch specs it swaps to the 'appropriate' stance.. I guess does make sense since it would just drop all stances altogether in the past
merry sluice
Blizz still thinking we default dstance convinced me even more they donโt play the game
Also someone entertain me I have an hour left in getting my infusion
round pendant
why am I in defensive stance every time I log in???
violet ginkgo
because now we love Defensive Stance
violet ginkgo
toxic pewter
It's because in the past, when you switched specs it would literally drop all stances and you would be in none. Now it is set up to swap to the 'appropriate stance' whenever you switch specs. It seems it happens when you log in as well.
It's a quality of life change for most players that do not ever bother to be in battle stance, let alone stance dance in general (majority of prot warr players, by far)
plush tendon
stance dancing has also become less punishing; its gonna be a skill good prot warriors use to max their damage; but if you want to just sit in D-Stance, you wont be punished nearly as hard as before
toxic pewter
looks like blizz is actually aware of spell reflect not woking sometimes
jagged pier
only took them years
toxic pewter
outer solstice
I hope they don't find out that we can reflect multiple spells when they are instant
jagged pier
nah thats been in far longer
thats a server issue
not actually sure if there is a fix for that tbh
outer solstice
I am sure they could if they wanted to
like some "spell reflect overload that apoplies afterwards for the excessive damage xD haha
let's hope not
urban bane
i mean it isnt like that multiple spells reflect is "the one thing that makes prot warrior actually overpowered"
toxic pewter
If they got rid of the multiple spell reflect that would be a giant spit in the face
outer solstice
I think it should just be more consistent
violet ginkgo
looks like blizz is actually aware of spell reflect not woking sometimes
this is still happening though sadly I just not properly reflect the lastboss of AV and NO one time each.
outer solstice
like you have a 1 second window and reflect everything within
dark barn
Sorry, i know its free, but the new warrior luxthos weak aura sucks. Where's my precious IP bar???
round pendant
only time I'm ever getting 100 parses
is when there's literally 0-2 other parses during prepatch
ornate thicket
Sorry, i know its free, but the new warrior luxthos weak aura sucks. Where's my ...
I like the quazii warrior weakauras
You gotta move some spells around but the layout is nice
dark barn
I will look it
round pendant
Sorry, i know its free, but the new warrior luxthos weak aura sucks. Where's my ...
yeah luxthos sucks but also you don't need no IP bar
use nomeraturs WAs or Quazii's
dark barn
I like to see my amount of ignore pain
toxic pewter
ok just get an ignore pain tracker
strong forum
Sorry, i know its free, but the new warrior luxthos weak aura sucks. Where's my ...
they changed how you can grab weakauras
so your IP bar is probably bugged until it gets re-written
you can use my IP tracker for the meantime i guess
dark barn
Ty buddy
stone cradle
dont' ask people to trade you gear in dungeon. it will absolutely brick your game
river creek
torn gulch
Nope survival hunter is very strong now
both offensively and defensively
reworked mastery etc
strong forum
surv hunter pumps now
and BM aswell
BM is unethical
look at this shit on assault
Kazzara
raw hedge
Anyone know for how long the servers are down on eu? Cant find any info about it
plush tendon
yall dont have to suffer like us NA bois
we waited till midnight to log in, check out the new features for 5 minutes, then go to sleep XD
charred ivy
any big prot changes?
plush tendon
any big prot changes?
some talent position changes in the class tree
charred ivy
but no real rotation change?
plush tendon
other then that not much; its very much the same
charred ivy
kk ty should be able log in play as usual then xD
plush tendon
pretty much; the builds in the pins are pretty standard so you can just copy those but theres no gameplay changes
patent osprey
Sorry, i know its free, but the new warrior luxthos weak aura sucks. Where's my ...
I talked to lux about it and he has answered what u were looking for in his latest update
urban bane
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760000803154165790/1265710850514358272/im...
defender's aegis? ๐ค
patent osprey
defender's aegis? ๐ค
thats his ui not mine ๐ฎ
urban bane
hahahahaha
patent osprey
i aint playing defenders aegis
urban bane
remote tusk
I talked to lux about it and he has answered what u were looking for in his late...
He's talking about it on stream now, it should be back yeah
patent osprey
ye. Feedback is important ๐
solemn current
All-Totem or something potentially worth over Anvil for damage in keys now we thinking or naw?
plush tendon
All-Totem or something potentially worth over Anvil for damage in keys now we th...
All-totem is a solid trinket
but honestly, you should get stuff that will help you level
Im gonna be rocking a Guzzie and a Icon (I got it free and spent my bullions on TMOG hehe)
plush path
did prot warrior get stronger bc of the new talents?
solemn current
I've got essentually all the dps trinkets + Dreadplates. Just wasn't sure where All-Totem sat currently with the dps trinket nerfs since I know it was already pretty strong in AoE. Should have 2 Bullion after walking into raid and wasn't sure if I should spend it there or not.
plush tendon
did prot warrior get stronger bc of the new talents?
It didnt push the needle any which way
Prot War is a solid tank and will continue to be solid
plush path
then it might just be me but i completed a higher level m+ to +2 easily
but probly bc i took a break for a month and forgot what the clss was able to do
grim pilot
@strong forum isnt thunderous words>1 point in armored to the teeth for m+, 5% gain on 10t for TW and only 1,3% loss in st. Aoe gain seems justified for the st loss
or did you also factor in extra parry from str (which would be pretty piss) for that
strong forum
Uuuuhh..
Didn't sim aoe
But attt is incredibly strong on prot
Much more so than on dps
Since we got the feedback loop between attt, focused vigor and enduring Alacrity
grim pilot
it is strong yeah ik
I just went and insta simmed it when I saw it wasnt recommended
since I recall doing some test sims in s3 or s4 or whatever and dropping thunderous words was like 10% loss
strong forum
didnt rly give a fuck about aoe in prepatch but ill sim rn
grim pilot
ye I simmed it by accident on aoe just now
I just had the sim settings from soem other shit
grim pilot
strong forum
you simmed full buffs
grim pilot
ye
plush path
did season4 end already
strong forum
also 5min
grim pilot
yeah the classic
strong forum
muh pre-patch push week!
grim pilot
Nah im bing chilling
mage in the dumpster till tww
vdh deadge
also vacation
in a week
strong forum
but yeah seems like TW + 1attt is more damage on aoe
grim pilot
imo the aoe gain is big enough to neglect st loss
strong forum
^hm
you lose 1.2k armor and 1.4kstr
myeah seems worth
atleast for now
not sure about TWW
grim pilot
yeah just meant prepatch
I dont even know what hero talents do
maybe they interact with armor in some way or whatever
strong forum
build on wowhead also updated now
love how quick you can just do updates on there
its so nice
strong forum
?
vivid orchid
looks fine here
strong forum
weird
grim pilot
refreshed etc
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
its probably not a huge dps increase
but you also wont need the extra arm/str right now so
hearty stump
How are the tank changes feeling?
lusty grotto
tank changes are not in live
hearty stump
Oh!
hearty stump
Ah, gotcha.
lusty grotto
only the trinket nerfs went through, which didnt do a whole lot cause dps trinkets are still better
dark barn
I talked to lux about it and he has answered what u were looking for in his late...
thanks ๐
harsh trellis
Why is champions spear in the rotation?
lusty grotto
why shouldnt it be?
harsh trellis
I didn't see it listed in the talent build
lusty grotto
correct
you check it or not
depending if you have the talent
click on it
obviously nobody should be running it now, but we will for TWW ST
harsh trellis
Ah ok so the pre patch rotation notes is all going to migrate into tww
lusty grotto
there will be some changes
but theres no reason to completely exclude spear
since its off by default and toggle-able by you, the user
wowhead rotations have always been that way
violet ginkgo
only the trinket nerfs went through, which didnt do a whole lot cause dps trinke...
Speaking of trinket I got all totem heroic last week and give it a try.. Yeah well it's have it's own fun and can be slightly lazy mode since less button to press, but yeah as you said Dreadplate is more reliable.
strong forum
youre on the prepatch quick list
lusty grotto
thats the overview
strong forum
not on the rotation page
lusty grotto
yea
spear still follows a prio, it doesnt matter if its talented or not
its just there in case someone has
violet ginkgo
Oh yeah it is strong and fun for sure Nim, but at least I see dreadplate somewhat more reliable.
lusty grotto
since that overview page doesnt have toggles
lusty grotto
Oh yeah it is strong and fun for sure Nim, but at least I see dreadplate somewha...
i dont, all totem is pretty massive
run both
violet ginkgo
You no longer go with anvil?
harsh trellis
I'm still rocking anvil
violet ginkgo
I mean for nim
lusty grotto
You no longer go with anvil?
i havent played in a month
it doesnt really matter what you use
at this point
hoary glen
finally a usefull macro for me ๐
#showtooltip
/use [form:2]Defensive Stance;Battle Stance
lusty grotto
yeah theres one pinned
thats different from that one
and has been pinned since forever
since 2022 basically
hoary glen
oh okay didnt know that ๐ฎ but whats the different between mine and the other?
wanton coral
is prot looking good for tww im out of touch on prot tbh
plush path
tank changes are not in live
wdym
stone cradle
as it is right now in DF
haven't played in a while, is prot good in df?
torn gust
ye its good :v
lusty grotto
its good, its not meta but it can do everything
sick sentinel
If you wanted to play spear, what would you change for the build?
lusty grotto
no reason to play spear with tier
its a loss
but if you really want to, you might need to grab one of the beta builds
plush path
TWW tank nerfs for self sustain
oh dam
a out of line question, but does anyone know what class will have legendary in war within
frosty holly
Imma bet druid just because they got so trolled with Amid raid
lusty grotto
john blizzard knows
violet ginkgo
a out of line question, but does anyone know what class will have legendary in w...
none
pallid quiver
Mages
It'll be a staff for only Mages
And they won't be balanced with it in mind, so it's just free damage
toxic pewter
they gonna make a legendary everyone can get
they tired of everyone whining so they just gonna say 'f it' legendary for everyone
that is blizzard in 2024 and beyond
lusty grotto
a out of line question, but does anyone know what class will have legendary in w...
like apb said, everyone gets it
once again a reminder this is not beta channel
plush path
will itt be bis for prot war as well?
plush path
once again a reminder this is not beta channel
ik sry was just curious
plush path
pookie
lusty grotto
its also very obviously obtained through delves
lusty grotto
critcake rn
grim pilot
yep
lusty grotto
im actually hoping it doesnt get deleted like ehn did in s1
frosty holly
<@325173865175318529> ????
lusty grotto
yup
south zealot
upwards of 1000% LMAOOO
pallid quiver
I think that's based and they should keep it
frosty holly
Nothing wrong with it fo sho
toxic pewter
like apb said, everyone gets it
oh shit lmao, didnt expect there was some leaked trinket or whatever
lusty grotto
just a heads up
it could be really fake
its not fake lol https://www.wowhead.com/beta/item=219916/bronzebeard-family-compass
anyway that was posted on my disc weeks ago by a friend so i didnt know
frosty holly
Ye trinket been known for some time. But when it came out people figured it was a delve only thing. Why i dunno
frosty holly
Ye but I'd figure it would say delve only on it if so shrug
lusty grotto
idk about that
i said it was probably obtainable through delves
not if it was only usable there
sonic terrace
anyone have a key addon thats working
sonic terrace
warpdeelte isnt working and my friend said his keystone isnt working
toxic pewter
accidentally sold an item, is item restoration also unavailable during this pre-patch
welp there goes my chestpiece.. oof..
anyone know how to get a chestpiece that can be used in the catalyst.. fast
tribal wharf
cant see why item restore would be borked during pre patch
solemn current
anyone know how to get a chestpiece that can be used in the catalyst.. fast
Probably time rift or dream surge weekly token
toxic pewter
ok thx
vivid orchid
no
lusty grotto
nope, welcome back
rigid hull
pog
are we steronger tho xd
is there like a
changelog i can see?
patch note i mean
lusty grotto
wowhead has patch notes
we're stronger but not due to any changes
everyone got stronger cause everything got bonus stam/secondaries added
rigid hull
sadge
sonic terrace
Does the weakaura not work?
the % isnt working for me ๐ฆ
also in nelth the chain boss is bugged when u get chains some times the chains from the spear doesnt come from the spear that landed on u lol
lusty grotto
thats an old bug
sonic terrace
nah
lusty grotto
did you meld the chain?
sonic terrace
nah
sonic terrace
oh i off tank i main dps
lusty grotto
sometimes agro drops could trigger it
sonic terrace
just having fun tanking lower keys
sonic terrace
err DK my bad lol
sonic terrace
yea just threw me off lol
round pendant
lmao there are so many people playing m+ rn but it's only dps players
sonic terrace
merry sluice
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lusty grotto
surv is bugged cherry
merry sluice
in other news
lusty grotto
so they are deleting everything
dark barn
My buddy survival just insta killed treemouth at 50%
merry sluice
blizzard confirms the sky is blue?
dark barn
Like prot warrior tree (irony) ๐ฆ
merry sluice
it doesnt say that though it just says "The current War Within Pre-expansion patch includes our initial class and spec changes"
so it just reads like theyre confirming the obvious
merry sluice
maybe thats what they meant, but blizzard blue notes enver seem very well written
round pendant
idk most blizz notes make sense to me
ok arms doing FAT damage from cleave is fun
contemplating dropping prot
merry sluice
you mean when they announced the new affixes, and the formatting made like a third of the people reading think that they weren't getting rid of incorporeal
or when they had a stroke on the prot paladin changes way back at the beginning of beta which was still amusing
bleak breach
I like the change to the warrior tree
Bit more flexibility. Itโs definitely nice for M+ being able to flex to shockwave easier
dusky canopy
Tbh shockwave is definitely nice to be able to always have but like it just contributes to the insta DRing everything problem most pugs have
I preferred fear as a cast/ability stop
Itโll definitely be nice to have though donโt get me wrong
lusty grotto
the class tree is too locked down
much more restricted than the DF one
with lesser flex points overall
dusky canopy
Yeah seems hard locked for arms
Like 1 floater point basically 2 if you consider second wind optional
dusky canopy
That boss has got to be bugged
lusty grotto
yeah def
dusky canopy
Been hearing that happen a lot
burnt prism
oof/1 0 I feel like our class tree is really static
toxic pewter
both of our trees are super static and stale
rigid yew
There's a lot of talents I would like to get but am forced out of.
They also randomly deleted the +damage bonus shockwave talent and I was using that as my primary damage deal. Which now forces me back into thunderous roar primary and shockwave utility. So there's even more static forced upon me...yay
lusty grotto
that was a good change though
you shouldnt have been using shockwave for damage
once again the shockwave move was good, but the talent tree is way more locked down than before
merry sluice
oh i didnt even notice avatar lost its size thing
toxic pewter
area 52 randomly offline..
lavish sphinx
How come no Battering Ram or Disrupting Shout in the M+ build?
What points could flex to those talents?
lusty grotto
disrupting shout was never in the builds
the same as before
battering ram is no bueno since the nerfs in s4
early s4
bloodsurge for disrupting
and we dont play battering ram
and havent been for a while
lavish sphinx
Okay thanks, Nim
merry cipher
thunderous roar seems kinda meh now without the rage, spear looks like better play , anyone else been playing with it yet in m+?
lusty grotto
no
youre wrong because of tier
spear is not the play until TWW hits and only for ST
since we will still play troar in M+ and aoe
rage was never why we picked one or the other
we're not hurting in rage generation
rigid yew
I'm not concerned on how others think I should play.
I'm concerned that I'm having more flexibility in talent choices / builds taken away.
I very much enjoyed my shockwave build it was very competitive in damage to the cookie cutter build.
There's no reason they had to delete that talent.
lusty grotto
it wasnt competitive
we've done sims with it
feel free to search the channel
shockwave damage was never good
stuck oxide
maybe it was easier to play for him
lusty grotto
sure
rigid yew
Sims and damage is besides the point. I'm just saying it did plenty enough damage to be relevant to me.
Less choices = bad
lusty grotto
well we do agree on that
either way, less choices does not mean the shockwave move wasnt good
both can be true
and are
rigid yew
I don't mind the shockwave talent move, that seems good.
The +dmg talent removal was dumb.
lusty grotto
disagree
but i dont want to go on a back and forth about this
it shouldnt have been a capstone to begin with
its a stop
merry sluice
can we jsut not trade at all lmfao
lusty grotto
๐คท
merry sluice
beautiful game
pastel sleet
๐ฆ i liked titanic throw... i know it was never meta... but it was a fun quality of life talent
lusty grotto
yeah that one i can get behind
young wasp
๐ฆ i liked titanic throw... i know it was never meta... but it was a fun quality...
It went crazy. I hate that I don't have an aoe-option for when I'm charging in.
rigid yew
I also enjoyed that one and 'poof' deleted.
I don't understand why they just straight up deleted talents when you can always choose to not get them.
lusty grotto
that really was weird that they got rid of it
young wasp
I could understand getting rid of the one that applied bleed
lusty grotto
the others, not so much
young wasp
But why get rid of titanic?
rigid yew
The bleed wasn't deleted though in a literal sense, it was merged into existing talents. The other ones were just totally removed from the game.
rigid yew
Pulled the same route I always do in Nokhud and was 3% short
civic holly
It went crazy. I hate that I don't have an aoe-option for when I'm charging in.
ravager!
lusty grotto
and troar
i never played titanic throw outside of s1
but it was good to have as an option
vocal portal
Is there a bullion buylist someplace?
lusty grotto
wowhead/icyveins
vocal portal
hmm ok, used to class discords having them posted in pins or something, thnx
lusty grotto
gholak > diurna > trinkets > other ring (filial duty)
we had them
but they got unpinned
cause the season has been over
vocal portal
i get it, but also a month left and people gearing up new alts, mains, etc.
round pendant
not like it matters there's enough bullions to buy like half your gear
if you're gearing for next expansion it also doesn't matter for that either
round pendant
I want tww already I'm bored
I want them to replace revenge so bad but it's never gonna happen is it
:(
lusty grotto
revenge just needs to be made off-gcd (and not like old school heroic strike / cleave, which were next swing)
and then it would be a decision making between it and IP
also buffed quite a bit
as far as one of them is off-gcd... and revenge damage remains ass...
a rage spender shouldnt ever be doing less damage than the generators
or a resource spender, rather
robust urchin
No
urban bane
i mean i'd like revenge to not be as dog water, too. idk if i agree it "shouldnt ever be doing less damage than the generators"
execute maybe
round pendant
why should a resource spender ever do less damage than a generator
I mean you could argue it can reset shield slam so it technically does a lot of damage by allowing that
lusty grotto
i mean i'd like revenge to not be as dog water, too. idk if i agree it "shouldnt...
thats how it is for literally every other class and spec
we are the only spec in the game where our generator is also our biggest damage
and for a while... outside of the time were Mortal Strike was a generator
even if it didnt do as much ST damage
why isnt it doing more damage than our AOE generator
merry sluice
I mean
prot paladin slamming out SoTR's honestly slap
and at least give you a dmg buff elsewhere in ur kit
as ane xample
round pendant
or give us fervor of battle too
lusty grotto
yeah
round pendant
urban bane
monk used to gen chi off of keg smash iirc but that was awhile ago ๐ค
round pendant
I think a fevor of battle-like thing for revenge could work
though you could argue revenge should just not suck ass baseline
urban bane
do other classes/specs have as many off-gcd spender opportunities as us? genuinely don't know.
lusty grotto
nah i dont think so
paladins
and WoG maybe?
i cant actually remember if WoG is offgcd
round pendant
I'd like them to turn that shit down a bit but some people like the APM for pwar ig
but idk does anyone actually LIKE pressing ignore pain?
lusty grotto
nvm wog is gcd
lusty grotto
most of the AMs are off gcd
round pendant
ogcd damage abilities feel so weird to me lmao
lusty grotto
so
id say all the tanks have spenders off gcd
except maybe blood
fel spikes/iron fur/sotr/shield block/ip
though technically IP isnt an AM
lusty grotto
ogcd damage abilities feel so weird to me lmao
i like em
but remember im also an ffxiv player
so weaving is very welcome in either game
merry sluice
I played RDM so i welcome ogcd dmg
round pendant
I'm just super used to ogcd stuff being like buffs or utility or whatever
and damage being on gcd timing
lusty grotto
did you not play heroic strike/cleaves?
round pendant
nop
lusty grotto
hmm
round pendant
well, in cata recently I have done
and that's mainly why I'm saying it feels weird, cause that shit feels so weird
fallow nova
What if they buffed slam and added it to strategist?
lusty grotto
no, fuck slam
fallow nova
ST dmg spender
bronze wraith
man prot warrior feels like god right now and I know when TWW comes out, all of that is going away
urban bane
robust urchin
You guys are dooming to much
lusty grotto
man prot warrior feels like god right now and I know when TWW comes out, all of ...
what
round pendant
isn't pwar barely changed lmao
bronze wraith
whats one guying?
bronze wraith
and if I am, I do not mean to. XD
robust urchin
whats one guying?
lusty grotto
nothing is going away in TWW
urban bane
and if I am, I do not mean to. XD
โฅ๏ธ all good. we're going to be fine in TWW as things stand :)
bronze wraith
I said something out of the blue, but I didn't think it was dumb
lusty grotto
but this is prepatch and everyone is cracked
urban bane
yuh
bronze wraith
โฅ๏ธ all good. we're going to be fine in TWW as things stand :)
I am more talking about stats. Like I am at like 50+% haste and just absolute cracked
round pendant
so just like the start of every expansion
bronze wraith
I know we are good in TWW, but I have so crazy much stats right now and double shield trinkets and it is hard for me to die
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/news/secondary-stats-armor-and-stamina-increased-in-the-war-within-pre-patch-345405 this is why
urban bane
ah yeah there's a little adjustment but it'll be second nature before ya know it. you won't feel bored in TWW :]
fallow nova
Yeah, beginning of expansions are fun when we've got one gcd every five to seven business days.
urban bane
all things are temporary. think about how much time you can spend contemplating the moon or considering whether or not you should call her or something similar with the extra gcd time
fallow nova
Think of all the books we'll get to read between shield slams
Slow pwar still feels better than slow ppally, at least.
rigid yew
lusty grotto
yeah
thats inline with their tank changes
so the tank changes only affect prot and not our dps specs
not a big deal, as discussed in #1230008411333066913
but fury and arms didnt get screwed along with it
just to be clear, those are BETA updates
it is 30% in live
violet ginkgo
Losing titanic throw feels a bit sad that I can't just gain range aggro, but damn the QoL crackling thunder and rumbling earth made up for it.
More stuns, plus bigger aoe on TC and the slow is really nice.
tall lance
Since the prepatch have you seen a difference on your capacity to keep shield block up 90+% uptime ?
lusty grotto
there shouldnt be
if anything it should be easier cause more haste thanks to the increase in secondaries
tall lance
I achieve 85% but never pass 90+% as before
lusty grotto
whats your haste rating
tall lance
5000
lusty grotto
ok, are you playing itf?
tall lance
Yes
lusty grotto
5% variance isnt that big
tall lance
I will check deeper one back from work
lusty grotto
nothing changed to make it worse
tall lance
Yes I know, I will check ๐๐ผ thanks for your answers
lusty grotto
youre at 5k flat?
you shouldnt be playing ITF at 5k rating
that pin was removed i guess
below 5400 haste rating you play Heavy Repercussions
that was true before
and is true now
the pin was removed because rating numbers will change when the expansion hits
tall lance
Good to know
lusty grotto
swap it
and you were having 90% uptime with ITF at 5k rating??
thats a bit
wild
and frankly hard to believe
but hey you could be great at managing it
tall lance
I have to check not sure about ITF, youโre right itโs weird
merry sluice
i lvoe this game
i went through a loadscreen
and it randomly cut my resolution down to 720p, swapped to windowed, then zoomed in like 20%
huh?
chilly brook
buoyant hornet
hey ragers, apologies if it has been asked before but is there an argument to why you would change stance in m+? losing 20% dmg reduction for 3% crit does not seem very worth it now that we dont have the -5% dmg done in defensive stance
pallid quiver
Like, if you're not dying in battle stance, not dying even harder in defense stance is
not helping you much
That being said, being perma-defense stance also isn't really hurting you
buoyant hornet
cheers man โค๏ธ
violet ginkgo
Like, if you're not dying in battle stance, not dying even harder in defense sta...
anyway the new shaman buff is awesome.
waxen frigate
hey ragers, apologies if it has been asked before but is there an argument to wh...
3% crit in some cases is also more valuable than 20% DR
Defensively
dark barn
You mean the parry bonus?
oblique garnet
3% crit in some cases is also more valuable than 20% DR
waxen frigate
late do me a favor and delete this emoji itโs so low rez I hate it
oblique garnet
dont think so
waxen frigate
Are you playing TWW
oblique garnet
give high res version and ill think about deleting it
waxen frigate
jagged pier
oblique garnet
<a:chatting:1036769769543704576> late do me a favor and delete this emoji itโs s...
you happy now
tribal wharf
does the union really mean anything for us players
i mean, i dont really get it, seems like it came out of nowhere
strong forum
It's for better working conditions for the devs
waxen frigate
does the union really mean anything for us players
No
fallow nova
does the union really mean anything for us players
Happier, more well-taken-care-of devs = better game.
waxen frigate
Itโs not something that will be visible from an end user pov
fallow nova
Not like an immediate switch being flipped, but the knock-on effects of the overall turnover rate and brain drain that's happened at Blizz over the last 5+ years are plenty palpable.
Reversing that and actually retaining quality staff improves the team's ability to function significantly, since you aren't spending massive chunks of time trying to catch people up.
plush tendon
the flip side of that... it also makes it much harder to get rid of someone who may not be working out
turnover is also generally healthy to a point (what that point is debatable)
frosty holly
looks like bro was trying to build a tazer
It's from gmod
fallow nova
Also true, but across the industry I think it's safe to say that we've seen much more positivity coming form protected dev teams than problematic individuals bringing a team down
frosty holly
It's the "gun" you have to construct things with
fallow nova
turnover is also generally healthy to a point (what that point is debatable)
Not nearly to the degree that Blizz has been experiencing
plush tendon
Not nearly to the degree that Blizz has been experiencing
true true; I may lean more right, but unions are important. Otherwise, it's literally impossible to negotiate with your employer especially with how gigantic companies have become
fallow nova
I also tend to lean more right, but it's important to recognize the level of corporate min-maxing that happens nowadays which, if left unchecked, has a tednancy to produce some truly shitty working conditions
fallow nova
It's less nowadays about the safety incidients that sparked the creation of OSHA and more about providing the kind of compensation/environment for your employees that actually enables them to lead a reasinable existence in year 20XX.
plush tendon
yea; we aint in 1885 Pittsburgh smelting steel; now we are in 2024 Santa Barbra coding
fallow nova
It would be nice to live in a world where we didn't need things like employee protections and consumer protections from greedy folks who'll happily take every advantage of either in order to push that proifit line up, but that's not the reality we get to live in.
waxen frigate
yea; we aint in 1885 Pittsburgh smelting steel; now we are in 2024 Santa Barbra ...
Maybe you arenโt
I yearn for the mines
(My office job makes me want to die)
plush tendon
I do like watching the modern mining operation videos
they do some really cool stuff
frosty holly
(My office job makes me want to die)
The mines would actually kill you tho ๐
waxen frigate
Good
frosty holly
Or well. That's me thinking about the old timey mines. I haven't actually ever looked into modern mining operations
frosty holly
Don't forget your bird!
fallow nova
In my previous job, I worked at the world's largest (and USA's last) primary lead smelter, where I definitely had to use a pickaxe/jackhammer occasionally to break up old settled lead deposits lol
(I do not recommend)
Wastewater treatment is much easier on one's back.
tribal wharf
It's from gmod
well, he tried to build it irl anyway i guess.
oblique garnet
It would be nice to live in a world where we didn't need things like employee pr...
You do know that you dont have to live according to whatever trends and buy into whatever the latest marketing trend is?
fallow nova
My post had nothing to do with popular marketing trends.
oblique garnet
No but thats whats driving the entire market
Short term profits
That you gain by people consuming alot of subpar products
fallow nova
I'm talking about quality/integrity of goods produced vs what's marketed towards consumers in regards to consumer protections. And employee protections should be reasonably self-evident at this point, just look at why so many other studios are unionizing.
fallow nova
Those things shouldn't have to exist, but they do and they serve a purpose.
fallow nova
Its every sector
I fully agree
plush tendon
we were talking in reference to the recent unionization of blizzard employees
fallow nova
I see my own industry affected by it
Yeah, this is quickly branching well beyond the scope of the original convo lol
oblique garnet
we were talking in reference to the recent unionization of blizzard employees
As someone whose country has basically everyone belonging to an union i see this as nothing but a win
fallow nova
Yeah. The downsides are quite minimal to dev unionization compared to the benefits, given the current management climate of that industry.
oblique garnet
Well that tends to happen when your only goal is to make money
fallow nova
(literally, shareholders can sue you if they determine that you avoided making decisions that would increase profit)
that's just it - money IS the line god
it circles right back to itself
oblique garnet
Worst part is that just like any other religion only reason money has power now is because people have faith that it has value
fallow nova
Well, we're far enough removed from the bartering system that general currency is probably the only thing that will be acceptable going forward, which is all money is
oblique garnet
Now its just numbers
fallow nova
Yeah, it's not longer a proper note, just a generic placeholder credit for transaction purposes.
In reality, gold only ever held the value it did for the same reasons though.
oblique garnet
Yh
fallow nova
We have physical uses for it in tech and such, but that wasn't a consideration for it during the olden days, or even now. It's pretty, it's rare(ish)
oblique garnet
But now its truly cursed timeline because numbers can be just increased indefinitely
fallow nova
But it has little to no intrinsic value
valid sundial
Are we unionizing?
pallid quiver
no, blizz employees are unionizing
valid sundial
Should we? as tanks?
pallid quiver
We're staging a violent coup because, as Warriors, all we know how to do is unga bunga zug zug
boreal haven
A quick TLDR for Prot rn ?! Anything important ?
pallid quiver
no, nothing important
Though we appear to be in a doom phase, so please proceed to shout how you're leaving the class becauss Blizz hates you and your mom and your sister and they kicked your cat seventeen times
valid sundial
No one is dooming, we will roll with the changes and keep on playing.
frosty holly
Doom to trick the bots scouring discords to see what needs nerfs nods
pallid quiver
no there's a lot of people dooming
I think Prot's fine in how it works and all
But other people have been like "prot ded gg"
pallid quiver
you haven't been watching this channel or the twe one enough, then
People have been dooming about all the tanks since the tank adjustments
Then there's the usual perma-doomers
oblique garnet
People are always whining
When the squishy part on tanks is ALWAYS a skill issue
Literally git gud
fallow nova
To be fair, prot pally's numbers are pretty bad right now
They were already more healer reliant than other tanks and now that wog will be a shadow of its former self, they're in a pretty rough spot
fallow nova
Aye, pwar looks good enough for me. I just want to see both hero specs viable for m+.
That's more hopeful thinking than doomering though
fallow nova
viable to the point of equal(ish) representation being a reasonable possibility
To put a finer point on it - I want Colossus to not feel like poo in m+ to Mountain Thane.
waxen frigate
viable to the point of equal(ish) representation being a reasonable possibility
Yeah that wonโt ever happen
People will flock to something thatโs 1 or 2% better always
fallow nova
In cases like that, I really don't care. It's when there's a very palpable difference in performance that I'm less happy about it
prot pally has a similar thing going on
fossil flume
Good afternoon So I am an old school wow player who has finally returned to wow last time I was active was back in the days of Warlod of Draenor. So Holy crappers has Protection warrior changed much?
dusky canopy
Rip glad stance
fossil flume
Quick note I am a Gen-xer. not a boomer lol.
fallow nova
prot warrior isn't that different now from then imo
the wowhead guide is straightforward and easy if you want to check it out
fossil flume
Thank you!
fallow nova
Otherwise, you're smashin shield slam and thunderclap a lot, keeping shield block up, dumping rage with ignore pain (off the gcd) and hitting revenge when there's nothing else to do
fossil flume
Wow you know I Did a dungeon and thats exactly what I did lol.
fallow nova
And the rage gen/spend plays into a TON of cooldown reduction, so you cycle your cooldowns a lot for more damage and DR
fossil flume
So now I Feel like I am going to do well lol.
fallow nova
Yeah, the wowhead guide should make plenty of sense to you then. ezpz, hit things real hard.
fallow nova
You'll get there
halcyon pasture
Hello.
Returning to wow . Is there a spell reflect add on? One that tells you when a reflectable spell is being cast.
halcyon pasture
That is a list. Is there an add-on or do y'all take the time to edit your DBM?
jagged gust
If I wanted to drop Shield Charge entirely, is it possible to keep SB up without dropping ITF for HR? Feelcraft says no
halcyon pasture
If I wanted to drop Shield Charge entirely, is it possible to keep SB up without...
Maybe if you used bolster? Shield charge is big damage and threat generation.
jagged gust
It's really my only other option right?
fallow nova
That is a list. Is there an add-on or do y'all take the time to edit your DBM?
This is what I've used
halcyon pasture
Thanks
fallow nova
If I wanted to drop Shield Charge entirely, is it possible to keep SB up without...
Why drop one of our coolest and best abilities?
Either way, Bolster is probably your only other option to flesh out SB coverage
toxic pewter
the loss of rage from dropping shield charge is actually what sucks most
40 rage every 45 sec is pretty good
violet ginkgo
Why drop one of our coolest and best abilities?
he want to BSV
if BSV then drop shield charge
jagged gust
that and disrupt, I figured if I could free up 2 points I could land those talents, but I don't like the idea of dropping itf
fallow nova
Ah, going with the immortal build?
jagged gust
More or less, as much disruption and defensives as I can land, but honestly I should probably just stick with nomer's cookie cutter
fallow nova
jagged gust
can I drop bloodsurge for disrupting shout there?
fallow nova
probalbly your best cut
fallow nova
I just dislike that list in general, I think
lusty grotto
can I drop bloodsurge for disrupting shout there?
Yes, the spec tree didn't change
fallow nova
But I'm also a Heavy Repercussions stan
lusty grotto
You play HR only if you have less than 5400 haste rating
plush tendon
I wonder if Battle Scarred will ever see play
lusty grotto
It's likely
plush tendon
the effect sounds a lot better... just dont know what youd lose instead
lusty grotto
The same build nome poster a few months back, basically
fallow nova
You play HR only if you have less than 5400 haste rating
Or if you're just used to how easy it makes your life
Not saying it's BETTER to do it that way
jagged gust
HR is nice if you want to turn your brain off
lusty grotto
Not having ITF feels like ass, but sure we don't pay your sub