protection

[radiant mortar]

sadly

[dawn canyon]

@strong forum thunderblast cumprot yes or no

[strong forum]

all the yesses you can imagine

its clear as day that colossus was not designed with prot in mind

[dawn canyon]

sodax is asking me if he will blast on it

[strong forum]

he too scared to ask me himself or

but lemme paint you a picture

[dawn canyon]

he too banned specifically

[strong forum]

its not like we're in like 2 other discords together

[violet ginkgo]

BLAST it!

[strong forum]

[dawn canyon]

so basically im tryna tell him war isnt that down bad

and he should rejoin the zug

@strong forumpreciate it tho

[violet ginkgo]

how do we zug zug?

[round pendant]

oh man that details screenshot got me excited

[cerulean tusk]

Dont be, Nome said he rerolling healer (or enhshaman), he just showing scuffed stuff to keep others from rerolling as well

[vocal cave]

you guys still play roar on beta or spear of bastion?

[lusty grotto]

this aint the beta channel

but roar AOE

[vocal cave]

mb

[lusty grotto]

bastion ST

[round pendant]

Nome has higher standards than me

I just wanna zugzug

Although if tanking is miserable I'm probably switching to some dps class

[zealous goblet]

just use treesplinter so shooting yourself in the foot is absorbed

next question

[merry sluice]

:C

[tawdry cipher]

Thinking about switching to pwar and had some questions on spell reflect. What makes a spell reflectable and how can you know which ones are while running m+ or raid

[blazing condor]

it can be a bit varied what is reflectable and not but a general rule of thumb is that any type of "bolt"-type spells are reflectable

like single target (on you) magic attacks

things like aoe "volleys" aren't reflectable

and then for specific boss abilities id recommend looking at the reflect spreadsheet we have in the pins in this channel

[violet ginkgo]

Have you maybe try open the pinned post? There is a complete document there made by Sense.

[blazing condor]

👎 boo passive aggressiveness

[violet ginkgo]

I like active aggresive

[blazing condor]

more direct aggro next time then

[pallid quiver]

Also, sometimes things that really don't seem like they're reflectable are, like some ground swirls, or like suck in mechanics or weird things

[tawdry cipher]

That sheet helps knowing what spells are reflectable but was asking also how to tell what's reflectable so I can figure it out for tww before the sheet is out and I have time to memorize it

[pallid quiver]

so the real answer is to just try it out and see if it does anything

Literally what makes something reflectable is if Blizz says it's reflectable

SR has the two additional benefits of being on a short CD and giving magic damage reduction, however, so you can't go wrong just treating it like a defensive in all cases except for notable reflects

and if you get reflects off it, that's neat

[blazing condor]

its just trial and error

there's a very distinct sound when you do a reflect/deflect

[violet ginkgo]

Sense will do a lot of trial and error later on for the TWW so don't worry too much about it. All you need to do is just big brain power to memorize.

[tawdry cipher]

Or if blizz forgets about spell reflect like on the first boss in shadowlands (I think) where it one shotted the boss for a day or two till they saw

When I heard about that bug it made me laugh harder than it should have

[pallid quiver]

i don't memorize shit, i just zug zug ooh i wonder if that big tank buster is reflectable

[blazing condor]

you learn what works and what doesnt

cus you either get hella dps

or you die

[lusty grotto]

its mostly done

or should be

its just not going to be updated

until the exp drops

[lusty grotto]

the sheet will be out the moment the season starts

so trying to figure out anything is not really required

i dont, ever

pointless tbh

[round pendant]

I only check if there's some specific mob I'm struggling with and it could potentially help

useful to know boss reflects tho

[lusty grotto]

@south zealot you watching?

[south zealot]

kind of

im at work so been lurking

missed count finally locked in

[lusty grotto]

man it would be sick if missed count

took it

[south zealot]

idk what the fuck happened but they OMEGA griefed day 1 after being so insane in their group

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[south zealot]

last resort on a 23 av

why man

[lusty grotto]

lol

they are all running LR + Stonescales

[south zealot]

naowh is doing 100k dps to the boss

also double sigil in av is pretty sus too

i mean i guess its working but like i feel its so much harder to live

[lusty grotto]

mandatory sunday choke too

i guess their run is doing ok now

[south zealot]

kinda sad no 22 bh

key is so doable

[lusty grotto]

arent they doing it now?

realistically no time if they wipe but oh well

6-7 mns left?

sounds like the board is locked

[south zealot]

oh i thoight keys were final

oops

[lusty grotto]

yea

good final

tbh

[south zealot]

what a strange tgp

looked like missed count was just gonna shitstomp early in their group

then mandatory was just winning everything

[lusty grotto]

despite the obvious same comps etc

[south zealot]

and then echo clutched it out

[lusty grotto]

yea

usually echo peaks earlier not last minute

[south zealot]

i mean they can still technically lose

dude ppl in twitch chat were enraged all weekend at same comps

[lusty grotto]

the only way they lose is if mandatory's time gaps them, they have faster keys irc

[south zealot]

damn echo gave up on bh immediately

pussies

[lusty grotto]

yea

lmao tbf i would be exhausted

echo reset AV like

20 times i swear to god

[strong forum]

Did echo wonnered

[south zealot]

almost certainly

[strong forum]

Timed 23 av?

[south zealot]

mandatory needs to do 23 av in like 34:30

[south zealot]

ues

yes

[strong forum]

Yeah then it's eta gg

They need to be over 1.5min faster + time this 23

7min15 for 2 bosses

gonna be tight

[south zealot]

and echo needs to miss their 22 aa for timer gain

[lusty grotto]

missed count timed it first

and mandatory almost did on their first run

[strong forum]

sure

but

[lusty grotto]

but

[strong forum]

they aint timed it yet

[lusty grotto]

echo has faster times lol

[strong forum]

and its the last run of the day

[lusty grotto]

yup

[strong forum]

no redos

[lusty grotto]

its joever

[south zealot]

missed count not ending 6th is impressive

they basically afked their first day with how many times they bricked keystones

[lusty grotto]

yeah considering how weak they came in this weekend

after fucking dominating group phase

[strong forum]

is eta gg

4min left and 3rd boss 33%

[lusty grotto]

yeh

[south zealot]

echo is too clean

unbeatable team

gg

[lusty grotto]

lol missed count

[south zealot]

no way they missed a bird

LMAOOOO

holy bro

[lusty grotto]

rolfllll

i have missed a bird too

):

feelsbadman

to be fair, they lived up to their name

ggs

[lusty grotto]

oh it was on purpose @south zealot

according to kira

[south zealot]

idk sounds sus

[south zealot]

susge

[lusty grotto]

super susge lmaoooo

i suppose if they were contending for 1st place they wouldnt have but still

[south zealot]

they technicallt were until 23 was timed

by echo

[lusty grotto]

yea

you right

[grim pilot]

honestly

missed count could win

if it wasnt for day 1

shenanigans

[lusty grotto]

it could have gone either way for 3 of the teams

[grim pilot]

all 3 were playing excellent

[lusty grotto]

yea

it was a good TGP all things considered

you would have thought it would have been boring af with the meta situation but shit

[south zealot]

easily

[grim pilot]

I think you get oneshotted from ice cutters if you dont parry and are not in meta

Or if you dont have brand up

Kira played no brand soulcrush full ftd build

[south zealot]

this guy got fucking OWNED

LMAOO

[lusty grotto]

lol

he would be right if the competition wouldn't have been good

[south zealot]

i mean tgp always has the exact same comp

besides the rare swaps like demo in s4 sl and destro this season

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre right

[south zealot]

s1 dragonflight tgp was different

bc there was like 5 meta dps specs

but tgp is always a pretty stale comp so i never usually watch it in full

just check in every hour or two if i can

[strong forum]

"wtf why are they all using the same racecar in formula one, this is SO BORING"

"why is there no pickup truck in this nascare race, this is dumb."

[oblique garnet]

boring meta is boring meta no matter how you put it 8)

[lusty grotto]

i dont think thats a fair comparison nome lol

but yeah obviously tgp leans into meta harder than mdi

such is the nature of infinite scaling

[strong forum]

how is it not

[lusty grotto]

i suppose its not fair to pair other tanks to slow ass trucks

2-3 key level disparity, they are still racecars

[strong forum]

im comparing the whole setting of "why are they all using the best thing and not X bad thing"

[lusty grotto]

just not as fast

yeah i get it

[sick sentinel]

Meta is fine for high keys but the fact people still want meta in weekly keys and below is laughable

[lusty grotto]

were not talking about live keys

we're talking about TGP

[waxen frigate]

They notably don’t use the same race car

[waxen frigate]

There notably are nascar pickup truck races

[strong forum]

notably uuuuhh

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/ricky-bobby-will-ferell-if-youre-not-first-you-are-last-gif-3983540

[oblique garnet]

nascar is just joyride in a circle and you cant change my mind

[strong forum]

Give everyone a big wheel around entire side of the car

Now you don't have to steer

Just perma wallride

[jagged gust]

Extreme Go-Kart style

[waxen frigate]

Look if it was one bad analogy I’d let it slide

But two,

Nah

[strong forum]

Your mum is a bad analogy

For all intents and purposes these are jokes, I know this guy

Saw him on the road the other day and gave him 5 bucks, looked like he needed it

[sick sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/it-crowd-phil-charlie-baker-it-seems-gay-gif-25094594

[merry sluice]

ANOTHER LEFT TURN!

[oblique garnet]

Wouldnt call tha ta turn

[merry sluice]

Smh

[brittle owl]

your head's not supposed to shake i think

[violet ginkgo]

I want to see pickup trucks racing seems will be a fun category

[waxen frigate]

Wtf

[waxen frigate]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASCAR_Craftsman_Truck_Series

[violet ginkgo]

👀

[grim pilot]

Wasnt there equinox as brew in s2

Or was that mdi

[south zealot]

i don’t remember

but also people playing what they’re best at over the meta isn’t what i’m talking about here

sense played pwar in id in s4 sl

[grim pilot]

Ah

I mean warlock was the choice for uldaman for example yeah

Im surprised forgy hasnt played mage

[tribal wharf]

I TELL YOU WHAT, THIS IS SOMETHING I AND AMERICA CAN GET BEHIND, HELL YA BROTHER!!!

Im sorry, i always go to hypebole when i hear nascar

its my duty as a half american half brit, (canadian)

[sick sentinel]

Why would you pay to watch however many cars going round in circles in basically a straight line for how many laps

Just get a hotwheels set or scalectrix

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-race-car-gif-5247828

[tribal wharf]

we actually had that when i was a kid

for like, 1 year

am so old when doom 1 came out i had already git gud at fps, still sucked of course

[frosty holly]

I remember "flooring" those things eventually it yeeted of the track

[tribal wharf]

i dont like racing games a whole lot because they make it you have to spend alot of time doing the actual race

and fuck that

only so many times i can go around same 11 maps in same 8 cars

[lusty tiger]

Sick af

[timber slate]

Is there ever a reason to hit whirlwind, slam, or rend? Feel like i'd always rather hit revenge or thunderclap

[pallid quiver]

Rend's autoapplied by thunderclap, whirlwind and slam off the bars

[lusty grotto]

theres a handy pin that addresses this

always check pins in class discords

[hardy snow]

How bad will be our ST dmg due to nerf to bleeds and TR? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

does it matter?

its pre patch

plus execute got buffed

[strong forum]

given that we didnt lose tier

not too bad

[cinder nova]

Hulk Hogan? The union-busting coward that sold out his colleagues early in his career, that Hulk Hogan?

[strong forum]

if we lost tier, it woulda been way worse

and i thought we were gonna lose tier

[cinder nova]

Does it feel good to press again?

[strong forum]

no

[cinder nova]

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a good Execute, but having it take the spot of Revenge was depres-

[strong forum]

cuz you still dont have rage refund

[cinder nova]

aww..

[strong forum]

we had 20% rage refund in SL

and double outburst + banner

now we just have single outburst, no banner, no rage refund

[cinder nova]

Double Outburst in pre-patch was fucking bananas

[strong forum]

that was quad outburst

actually no just triple

what i mean with double outburst was tierset

granted from avatar and the rage portion

[cinder nova]

Judging by all the tuning and hero talents, it seems like PWarr hasn't really changed much at all beyond capstones. Do I have that about right?

[strong forum]

absolutely nothing

changes about pwar

[cinder nova]

I guess it could be worse.

I hear our DPS brothers are cooked.

[strong forum]

so are we unless we get dmg buffs

[cinder nova]

Oh, damn. How far are we from the median?

[strong forum]

fuck if i know

i just know its bad

we're doing literally the same single target as in DF

[cinder nova]

At-.. wait

At max??

[strong forum]

no

at 600ilvl

[cinder nova]

I-

what

HWAT

[strong forum]

losing tierset and having bad trinkets

[cinder nova]

Do other tanks have this issue?

[strong forum]

i think bdk dmg is really good

but idk much

like i can maintain like 320-350k dps vs tank dummy on beta

with full enchanted socketed gear at 613ilvl

and raid talents without any other buffs

[cinder nova]

Are other tanks doing like... what? 50K more? 100K? 15K?

[strong forum]

dunno

[cinder nova]

Hmm.

[strong forum]

last i heard was bdk doing 350k dps ST with 600ilvl in raid

idk nobody rly has shat out any numbers so far

simming is still way behind

cuz lots of shit to implement

[cinder nova]

I was about to say... does it feel like TWW kinda dropped fast?

[pallid quiver]

All I've seen is people fitzing about with the design of things and not worrying about tuning until later

[strong forum]

if you ask the class balance team

[cinder nova]

Or am I coping?

[lusty grotto]

it didnt drop fast

[strong forum]

theyre about 4 months behind

[lusty grotto]

but yeah nome is right

[strong forum]

the entire game was finished with class team being behind by multiple months

and then they already announced release date

before class tuning even started

like stg

theres probably already 2-3 specs being planned to be reworked for 11.1.0 or 11.0.5

[pallid quiver]

Shamans I believe have been implied to have a deeper look in a later patch from their last class tree adjustments, so there's already one

[cinder nova]

That sounds um...

W-.

Bro what

[pallid quiver]

and they didn't even get one of their hero specs implemented until like 3 days before the end of alpha

[cinder nova]

HWAT

[strong forum]

[pallid quiver]

Totemic took a minute to bake

and when it came out

it was still just dough

(for enha at least)

[lusty grotto]

yeah out of all the things the weakest right now are balancing and dungeons

and they are considerably

CONSIDERABLY

weak and not in a finished state

[cinder nova]

That sounds a bit concerning.

[lusty grotto]

raids are good, delves are probably also good, the rest of the stuff is good

[strong forum]

everything is ready

[lusty grotto]

i dont know about pvp

[strong forum]

except the endgame

[pallid quiver]

pvp is almost guaranteed to be hamstringed, but that's the pvp life

[lusty grotto]

yeah well nobody really beta tests to pvp

[strong forum]

i dont think you can even test pvp or

[lusty grotto]

so it'll probably be okay

would make sense

[strong forum]

atleast ive not seen any arena streams

at all

[lusty grotto]

right

i dont think there was any time in WoW expansion releases where pvp was tested

[pallid quiver]

I think there's very limited PvP stuff, and usually any PvP stuff is just kept among themselves

[lusty grotto]

much less now that the pvp team was gutted

[pallid quiver]

and most beta pvp stuff is just kinda people do stuff

and figure out from there

That's at least what I remember, but I also don't touch PvP much

just glance at it occassionally

wish I had the urge to get glad for cosmetics

but realize I'd have to like, socialize in most cases for that, at least before solo shuffle existed

Since the people I know and like playing with find pressing one button a difficult rotation to maintain

[lusty grotto]

so lets just say, that balancing and dungeon tuning is the 2 things that are bad, and they are considerably bad

everything else is ready

at least raids are finished

so thats 1/3rd of the endgame

well finished with some small tuning happening probably

but with balancing in peril...

or rather, in a dire state

idk

[cinder nova]

Well, we'll see how it shakes out.

[tribal wharf]

i just see hulk hogan as the funny blonde long haired muscular patriot wrestler

i never knew why i was excited when steve austin or HHH or ultimate warrior, came along to fight x wrestlr, just i wanted see who would win for lack of better

hell i couldnt even keep track of the unofficial "news" lore, only time i had any idea som3thing serious was happening the heavyweight champion of the world belt was up for grabs

also hulk hogan is 70 year old going on 45 year old next year

dude still has all his physical and mental top shape

[lusty grotto]

hulk hogan is a piece of shit

right now

thats why

[merry sluice]

I have a habit of saying 'brother' a lot

the extent of my knowledge of hulk hogan

is getting jokingly compared to him randomly by friends with a mocking "brootheeer" over voice chat

[strong forum]

I do the same

Not the compared part

But I say "brother" whenever something disappointed me or slightly inconvenienced me

[merry sluice]

some of my friend group's humor has never evolved past the "haha referential meme is funny" era of the internet.

anything they can poke fun at with a reference they will, especially if its outdated meme/pop culture

everything is a 'brother' for me
something about that word makes it good in place of an otherwise angry expletive

[strong forum]

Yeah

My friends are just permanently stuck in dn jokes

[merry sluice]

no other kinda humor has run the course for me as much as dn jokes.
They've become the low effort jumpscares of internet comedy.

"hey they said something unexpected, LAUGH NOW"

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/DqPQDmh.png

so with TW nerf we lost 7k dps

[merry sluice]

sick

I'm curious how bad a lot of these change swill feel for specs across the board without hero talents backing them for so long
its gonna make the painfully long gap until s1 feel more boring lol

[lusty grotto]

its probably for the best

so that going into the expansion it doesnt feel like youre losing a lot

[strong forum]

you wont notice any of it

[merry sluice]

ofc i wont bc i dont have anything to play for like

over a month

;>

[strong forum]

like theyre all changes that you shouldnt be able to tell that they happened

[lusty grotto]

we wont i dont plan on logging on to do anything serious

[strong forum]

theyre there, but theyre small enough to not be noticable

[lusty tiger]

Nome so handsome

[strong forum]

ty

[merry sluice]

90% of my time online in the past month+

has been straight cringe roleplay. I've barely touched Pve, im itching so hard for actual PvE, but like, there's just fuck all to do, and this lull is brutal. seasons's been dead for a godo month+ still got another month until tww s1

[lusty grotto]

right

i only plan to do the prepatch event

[merry sluice]

nah man, know what makes me wanna 'brother'

The fact a "midoriya deku" just walked past me in roleplay

[lusty grotto]

i havent missed a prepatch event and its rewards, ever

but this one seems

grindy

even more so than other ones

[strong forum]

ill just enjoy pres/rsham/enha

ykno the specs that actually got fun stuff to play with

instead of warrior that just got shafted aside from the 30% flat buffs that dps warri got

[lusty grotto]

oh im not talking about the exp

[strong forum]

neither am i

[lusty grotto]

the exp itself has me

kinda not excited about doing keys

[strong forum]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

i might just be a vault andy

[strong forum]

It's an all-star roster of the worst m+ keys

[lusty grotto]

and class tuning might actually have me regret doing CE

[worn scarab]

r there patch notes?

[strong forum]

Not rly

Execute buffed by 15%

And thunderous words nerfed

That's it

Nothing else for us

[worn scarab]

hrm, ait ait

Ill take not nerfs

[lusty grotto]

for the prepatch? there are notes

[cerulean tusk]

2h legendary Prot gonna pop off! 15%

[worn scarab]

ayo

[lusty grotto]

were not in beta channel nome lol

open the wowhead site

Earth

[worn scarab]

my b

[strong forum]

None that matter

It's just the execute buff

And the TW nerf for pre-patch

[lusty grotto]

right

[cinder nova]

I stress that he never stopped being a piece of shit, he just had a very entertaining public-facing character that came at the expense of all of his colleagues when they tried to unionize to bargain for better conditions and pay from their producers.

[lusty grotto]

i see

[cinder nova]

For reasons I don't really think require expounding, I got a lot of an axe to grind with people of that disposition.

[lusty grotto]

yeah i get you

dont sweat it

[cinder nova]

Oh shit wait up

Prepatch tomorrow isn't it

[lusty grotto]

Right

[cinder nova]

Are the talents in #1230018936427515924 our new builds, or are they more for when hero talents are in?

[strong forum]

I'll throw something together

[jagged pier]

cant wait to loose damage

[strong forum]

Pre-Patch M+ Talent Builds
This Covers all Builds:

• Raid Build https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAOBVUFRFBiEUKSUUBQNVUVEREQlVZVUQCVEAA
• M+ Build https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAOAUVRRFUgUVKSURBRNVUVEVBRFVZVUQCVEAA

Overview: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/the-war-within-pre-patch

there we go

guide should be all up-to-date for pre-patch

just gotta make sure to check the PTR version

[blazing condor]

interesting restructure of the warrior tree

[hardy snow]

If I want spellblock in ST, is it worth to keep single point in bloodborne or take instigate?

[strong forum]

keep bloodborne

[violet ginkgo]

thx for the build nome

[tough patio]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/faFPK9G2VJzpyMQW#fight=last&type=summary

Could you check if it was a healer problem or if tank got anihilated by his own design. Borked key anwyays but I wonder since I didnt really do AV this season yet

(I was the healer)

[blazing condor]

bad tank

probably not the whole reason you failed the key but he's not playing correctly or well

[tough patio]

Ye kicks and CC didnt rly go off at start but we did it regardless xD

Even with empowered 7 tick def penance couldnt save him, kept pingponging

[blazing condor]

pwarrs shouldnt ping pong thats like the entire playstyle

but he had poor mitigation uptime and also really weird casts

and also like 25 cpm lower than he should

[tough patio]

• gave him pi

so theres that

and pain sups

[harsh trellis]

Died to erupting fissure 3 times

Isn't that the telegraphed rock cone you side step?

[blazing condor]

its the frontal cone you use to blow up the trees

you cant avoid it

iirc

[strong forum]

you can outrange it

by just leaping out

[frosty holly]

^

[blazing condor]

yeah that makes sense

[hardy snow]

that must be quite a big leap, unless tooltip lies about range 😄

[strong forum]

Tooltip lies about range

Pwar has to eat 0 mechanics on that boss

Spell reflect infused strike

And heroic leap the frontal

Voila

https://youtu.be/YV-90qRtykg?si=rPrrvL7wRn1NHNUf?t=5m6s

Check at around 5min

[tribal wharf]

so anyway, we just ran out of time, because i had to be done at exactly 5:40 right now, and its exactly 5:40

too many memes, not enough time

[frosty holly]

I mean you can tell the tooltip is wrong simply because it sometimes don't even break the trees... 40? Yards away 😄

[strong forum]

The tracking of the ability is 100yd

The hit box ain't

So you can't cancel the frontal by going too far

Not that you would want to anyway

[frosty holly]

Haha imagine that.

Already have issues with pugs failing to blow up 🌳

[strong forum]

It's okay, last 4 weeks

[hardy snow]

cant wait to blow up my ui tomorrow

[echo egret]

oh, Uproar is the new Thunderous Roar upgrade to take now ?

[toxic pewter]

yeah for m+ pretty much, got a 45 second TR pretty good

[lusty grotto]

uproar isnt new

it just wasnt taken before

[echo egret]

I would have thought boosting our other bleeds would remain the better option

[lusty grotto]

with what

[toxic pewter]

uproar got nice buff tho so it is a bit better

[echo egret]

With Thunderous Words

[lusty grotto]

bleeds were all nerfed

so might as well buff the one that tier buffs

[echo egret]

ah, i didn't pay attention to that

[lusty grotto]

for now

[strong forum]

All of my Warrior UIs work and are ready for TWW #ad

[toxic pewter]

When did they nerf our bleeds

[hardy snow]

in EU tomorrow, in US today

[toxic pewter]

Where in notes is that

Oh just taking about the thunderous words change I guess

[strong forum]

Yeh, nerfing TW, which is healthy

[lusty grotto]

yea

[round pendant]

Kinda hoping tanking sucks so I can just dps all expansion

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/NiBomkg.png

NEW ST talents just dropped

[toxic pewter]

UF? Unstoppable Force? we goin IO?

[strong forum]

no

[toxic pewter]

ohh both roar talents

[strong forum]

you have to drop UF entirely

[toxic pewter]

NICE actually

[strong forum]

"have"

[hardy snow]

so still roar talents, but less TCs?

[lusty grotto]

hmm

@echo egret read what Nome said

i suppose it makes sense

[strong forum]

ya cuz TC is very little dmg in ST

and we have 1 point less available to us with new TWW tree after 3rd gate

[hardy snow]

but.. but.. SS resets 😢

[strong forum]

you do get SS resets

[toxic pewter]

could spear worth taking over uproar even? or is spear bad without piercing challenge

[strong forum]

spear is bad in pre-patch

[lusty grotto]

tier still resets TC

[toxic pewter]

ok

[strong forum]

cuz tierset

[lusty grotto]

so its not so bad Jawor

[strong forum]

in TWW you play spear in raid

[toxic pewter]

yah that what I been hearing

even as thane u think or is that msotly just with colossus

[strong forum]

both

[toxic pewter]

ok

[hardy snow]

I dont like spear, another shitty aoe like ravager

[strong forum]

its crit amp

you play this in TWW

[toxic pewter]

spear works with @player macro right

[strong forum]

it doesnt need to be at @player anymore

[toxic pewter]

oh cuz dont have to stand in it right

[strong forum]

ye

https://i.imgur.com/yTPEmkR.png

you play this in prepatch for raid

for long fights you can even play this

execute enjoyers

[toxic pewter]

is that with that 15% execute buff

[strong forum]

yea

or well

this is beta sims

so i assume it is

[hardy snow]

how is massacre+juggernaut siming?

[strong forum]

worse

[toxic pewter]

they should just make 35% execute by default at this point

tired of massacre talent

[strong forum]

real

[plush tendon]

Make Massacre let you execute 0-35% and 80-100%

[toxic pewter]

bleh but then I would want to take it lol, spec tree so tight won't allow it. If that changes, they should also just get rid of enduring defenses and make SB 8 sec by default so it frees up that node.

[plush tendon]

[harsh trellis]

Can't wait to see how the changes feel.

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[empty pike]

Why crit talent instead of stamina talent? Isn't 5% stam really strong? Or just not afraid of dying from lack of health (instead of mitigation)?

[violet ginkgo]

5% not that strong IMO better to crit it, kill your enemy before they kill you

[lusty grotto]

no

[urban bane]

ty for your work sir 🫡

[lusty grotto]

do you really think 5% stam will make you not die?

this is prepatch

not TWW

if we need it then, im sure Nome will tweak it for TWW specific builds

but as of right now, we dont

[violet ginkgo]

i don't think even at tww it will make us not die.

[empty pike]

Well I don't know, you guys are the experts that's why I'm asking hehe

To learn

Is blood and thunder gone? The thunder clap rend thing?

[urban bane]

baked in to tclap now

[empty pike]

Noice

[strong forum]

The 5/10% stamina are not worth taking unless you absolutely desperately need them to survive a specific mechanic. Wildstrikes (the competing talent) grants our best stat and a high-uptime auto attack speed increase which affects how much rage we can generate

[empty pike]

Cool thanks

[normal current]

How does prot feel in TWW, didn’t do any testing as I’m normally DPS, but use it as an off spec and may be maining it for S1

Is it much the same?

[violet ginkgo]

pretty much the same.

[normal current]

👍🏼

[violet ginkgo]

#protection message

[plush path]

im beasting out

[tribal wharf]

okay.....

who forgot to turn on AA before recording this....

kinda joking cuz its just the "wings" part of the hilt, but first glance it looks like someone forgot to turn on AA

and now ice ragnaros? oh lord /s

[cerulean tusk]

Sim'd 2h Legendary Prot Warr yet?

[median tulip]

God I hate late season. So many terrible players trying to do keys they have no business doing.

[frosty holly]

Tried a AV 8 earlier this week. Group gave up at first boss after 3 tries where SP and DH just refused to clear any trees 😄

Like DH didn't even try to move he just hugged boss.

[cerulean tusk]

[median tulip]

I just had a Neltharus where the ranged DPS persistent stood on opposite sides of the room and didn't stretch chains at all on chargath

[frosty holly]

:_;

[median tulip]

Is gear still upgradeable in pre-patch?

[lament musk]

endurance training feels like a joke for all 3 specs tbh

bait node for sure

[strong forum]

its so sad

[tribal wharf]

well, if it was leech, or avoidance, it would be over powered, cuz those are other non absorb armorish type drs

vamp in general, in most games, is usually insane past it heals a certain number or %

is there not things like IP scales with HP i thought?

or maybe there is mechanic you can hp boost through with LS RC, im not so sure, im totally fine with more hp. my opinion is more hp the better almost regardless

[lusty grotto]

not at the cost of other things, and youve been in this channel long enough to know that IP is not immensely important

[tribal wharf]

if i can reach 99,999 hp in a game, i do that

every time

without question

[lusty grotto]

your opinion is wrong

[tribal wharf]

eh,

[lusty grotto]

especially in post season DF

where no content will challenge you outright

[tribal wharf]

well, your opinion is that my opinion is wrong so, ya but it dont bother me, im not new to internet or society

[lusty grotto]

im well aware

[tribal wharf]

the other "smart" way of designing tank is fine too sure

by this i mean, type of character that is designed, not to have a bajilzion hp, but he has some armor and some dr shield leech, whatever, and he goes low hp alot barely not dying

and the thing is, thats great, its a fantastic tank, but its stressful

and its catostrophic when it comes off the rails

and then you fail and end up not wanting to go again, so its that or bazillion hp is the 2 main ways to build a tank

[lusty grotto]

thats good and all, but the context was endurance training, a specific talent, not tank design

[tribal wharf]

hp in a tank talent is tank design

[lusty grotto]

in vacuum, sure

but it doesnt exist in a vacuum

[tribal wharf]

its one of the very core things of rpg and tank

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-nope-seinfeld-bye-smile-gif-17717233

[tribal wharf]

well, i wanna keep it in facts something measurable

cuz otherwise its just logical fallacies

[toxic pewter]

someone should make a wow themed seinfeld episode, I would watch that

like a fan-made episode or I guess AI can do it these days

[tribal wharf]

it would get cancled for making a bad joke, we tried this already

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure every day in here is a seinfeld episode

[toxic pewter]

lol yeah these days zero shows from the 80s/90s/ early 2000s would never work

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/reasonsimbroke-kramer-cosmo-kramer-jerry-seinfeld-seinfeld-gif-24628489

[merry sluice]

So

How about doom

[tribal wharf]

What IS the deal with ARMOR????

[toxic pewter]

XD

[lusty grotto]

apb missed the cracked ass takes in #1230008411333066913 today

[tribal wharf]

is it really supposed to protect us, or make us look good yknow

[lusty grotto]

literally absolute garbage ass takes

[toxic pewter]

yah been running errands all morning.. wat haoppened lol

ok will scroll up

[lusty grotto]

from just 1 person

[merry sluice]

What’s armor?
I play a Draenei. I’m legally obligated to mog as little armor as possible

[tribal wharf]

as i become old boomer dumb fuck, i get and like sienfield, but only causally as outsider

great show

[frosty holly]

It's gone!

[toxic pewter]

yeah sorry just realized prob in bad taste to post links to things and its sorta offtopic

[frosty holly]

Ye figured you either removed it or mods did 😄

[lusty grotto]

cherry which doomguy do you think is best

doom1/2 doomguy? quake 3 doomguy? doom3 doonguy? bethesda doomguy?

clearly q3a doomguy is the best one, but im partial to it cause it was my 2nd tourney fps

[orchid mural]

I assume Bloodsurge is still the talent to drop in order to get our aoe silence in the new pinned builds?

[lusty grotto]

yeah the spec tree didnt change

[orchid mural]

tank nerfs hit today yes?

[lusty grotto]

no

only trinket nerfs

[orchid mural]

k

ty

[dark barn]

ty god im a old school tank and bought fyrakk and allmaster totem, so no nerfs

[orchid mural]

fyrakk and cheat death haven't come off 🙂

[lusty grotto]

youd think people would get over the rageheart nuthugging after the TGP champs tank wore the superior defensive trinket

aka treemouth

but alas

[orchid mural]

yeah never got a myth track treemouth alas.

[lusty grotto]

hero treemouth better than bullion rageheart, alas

[orchid mural]

interesting

[lusty grotto]

at this point, however, it doesnt matter

[violet ginkgo]

Speaking of which since they nerf the dps trinket for tank on this prepatch I guess we start going with tank trink?

[lusty grotto]

no

dps trinkets are still better

[violet ginkgo]

Even with the 33% nerf? Ok. Well hopefully the TWW damaging tank trinket is much better then.

[pallid quiver]

so far

[lusty grotto]

spoiler alert

[pallid quiver]

they're worse

[lusty grotto]

they are dogshit

most if not all tank trinkets

are dogshit

in TWW

[pallid quiver]

Even the pure defensive ones are

[violet ginkgo]

[pallid quiver]

quite bad

like, one of them applies a partial absorb on taunt, and it has a CD

[violet ginkgo]

Damn I mean they nerf the dps trink for tank, at least give a good trink then for compensation.

[pallid quiver]

so it's pretty much useless in most generic raid situations (I don't know if first raid has spots where it'd be actually useful)

Nah, they need to make it clear that tanks don't get loot

They can get fed off the tablescraps of their glorious DPS overlords once they're done gearing from raid

[lusty grotto]

yeah feelsbadman

[merry sluice]

I've never palyed doom, so my answer is yes.

[lusty grotto]

fair

[merry sluice]

I'm so downbad for anything to do this week that I'm spamming chess god help me

[pallid quiver]

play ova magica, just came out today

or wait until tomorrow, new character in Under Night drops, and play with me

it'll be fun
It won't be fun

[merry sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/vatista-dress-hair-pose-cut-gif-11072708

[pallid quiver]

dat me

i play vatista

[merry sluice]

same

and gordeau
hot scythe man

[pallid quiver]

i've been swindled once again

i can't vat emote react

[merry sluice]

the amount of times I've wanted to post spacegoat emoji

but cant

[toxic pewter]

Maintenance extended to 5pm pacific

[lusty grotto]

better to extend than for warbands and cross realm guild invites to explode

ngl

[toxic pewter]

Yep

[merry sluice]

Honestly I would be terrified of touching warbsnds in the first day or week

[toxic pewter]

Gonna prob be down all night

[merry sluice]

I saw enough guildies basically get told “lol sucks to suck” when quest rewards didn’t function right beginning of season

Im too paranoid to put anything in warbands until ik they work

[chilly brook]

For all you people who wanted gearing to take longer

Congratulations

And fuck you

[lusty grotto]

yeah max is having a field day

with dorki, growl, tettles, dratnos, megasett

[chilly brook]

These fucking changes man

[merry sluice]

Dw

[lusty grotto]

did naowh join the call?

[merry sluice]

You also have like two months to wait until you can play endgame

[lusty grotto]

i had to stop for a second

[merry sluice]

Have fun and go fuck yourself

Give us 20 dollars

[chilly brook]

Like did they even understand why people liked DF?

[toxic pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/see-you-tomorrow-fuck-you-gif-18911720

[chilly brook]

Man just being an FFXIV Andy is sounding better and better

[lusty grotto]

the crafted gear change

got me mad in itself

[chilly brook]

They might have fumbled their story but at least the endgame content is fun as hell and the gearing is actually not bad

[chilly brook]

Oh no what did they do now?

[lusty grotto]

10 ilvls under max

[pastel sleet]

fuck

[chilly brook]

just remove crafted items tf

[lusty grotto]

yeah we will see if they make embelishments strong enough

[empty pike]

Oh that's weird

[lusty grotto]

otherwise its possible we wont wear crafted gear at all at ilvl cap, however long that takes

[empty pike]

3 was definitely enough lol I don't see why it needs to be less powerful at all, don't they want us to wear them?

[merry sluice]

They hate making gearing fun apparently

[ornate thicket]

I guess people hit ilvl cap in 3 weeks in s2 and quit their shit game until s3

[merry sluice]

maybe bc half those dungeons were dogshit

[lusty grotto]

yeah but s2 gearing was way faster than s3-s4 gearing

[ornate thicket]

Yeah it was

[lusty grotto]

i think a whole lot of us thought s3 gearing was perfect

[ornate thicket]

I agree s3 was good pace

[merry sluice]

I enjoyed most of s3.

[ornate thicket]

Liked the dungeon pool too

[merry sluice]

And I felt the Meta was at least not EXCRUIATINGLY STAGNANT like s2/s4

[lusty grotto]

i dont know about the dungeon pool

but gearing captured the perfect pace

i honestly thought they would keep up that pace

s4 basically had it, but i had bullions so it shouldnt be comparable to TWW s1

[merry sluice]

I didn’t hate half the dungeons

So it was therefore better than s2 or s4

[ornate thicket]

Guess we back to not giving a fuck about crafting.

[merry sluice]

But it could’ve been better

This sounds like how I feel about half the shit in the game recently

“It could’ve been worse”
Blizzard: “we hear ya” makes it worse

[ornate thicket]

Lol

I liked df mostly. Not sure why theyd want to devalue the successes

[lusty grotto]

yeah

df was a massive W

there's a lot of concerning issues as a result of talent trees and/or m+ tuning, but i dont think DF is to blame for that at all

cause they would have happened otherwise probably

[ornate thicket]

Yeah true. One of the only expacs where i actually played every season.

Skipped some here and there since legion.

[lusty grotto]

like crafting

i know people dislike the looking for a crafted thing

but

what other expansions did you actually look for a crafted item (outside of SL legendaries)

it made it relevant

and now they are dunking on it? which is weird

[pallid quiver]

Just play like two weeks, go neat, and leave for other games

who cares if you hit bis ilvl

You had the fun times, ez clap

If people want to grind their face on asphalt and then complain they have a road rash

i mean whatever floats their boat

[round pendant]

poe league

[merry sluice]

Nah

I’m done with league, I just meme about it. The vanguard bullshit was the key to my shackles

[round pendant]

huh

path of exile league

[merry sluice]

Oh, then not really up my alley

Ima just be an RP Andy

[crimson hawk]

augury still worthwhile after patch goes live or nah?

[lusty grotto]

sure

its not the best or wasnt the best

[hardy snow]

trinkets does less dmg, but "less dmg" is still more than "no dmg"

[lusty grotto]

but dps trinket "tank" nerfs still doesnt make dps trinkets worse

[crimson hawk]

gotcha, might just replace with signet anywho

[toxic pewter]

maintenance extended to 7 PM PACIFIC WOW

[lusty grotto]

im not surprised at all

[waxen cradle]

Might as well accept it will not be up and stable tonight and plan on playing tomorrow as I have

[toxic pewter]

Already typing up a strongly toned email to blizz

need to get a pro-rated refund

[waxen cradle]

lol

[stone cradle]

is there a preferred race for prot warrior? dwarf seems popular

[toxic pewter]

yeah dwarf stoneform is very popular/powerful

if you are looking to min max you might as well go dwarf yea

otherwise just play what you think looks coolest

[lusty grotto]

its not improtant if youre not pushing keys

its not even important for mythic raiding

go whichever looks best

[stone cradle]

well, which looks best then, human?

[lusty grotto]

thats entirely subjective, so its up to you

[unique sky]

I have never been able to convince myself to be human lol

[toxic pewter]

Vulpera of course

[stone cradle]

🤮

[merry sluice]

Man’ari girl

Obviously

[toxic pewter]

Well you have made an enemy this day. I do not forget and I do not forgive.

[merry sluice]

Hot demon girl is always the correct option

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/top-gun-top-gun-maverick-salute-tom-cruise-military-gif-26899454

[unique sky]

Maybe I should make a human palidan, a classic.

[hardy snow]

thank you for your service US players

[toxic pewter]

gonna get my prorated refund for this

i will post the screenshot when i get

need my day of gametime

[merry sluice]

and to think

i was supposed to have goth 🐐 roleplay tonight

smh my head

[strong forum]

Thanks NA for beta testing pre-patch launch

[lusty grotto]

you're welcome

its ok, there was jack shit to do anyway

but fix UI and check warband shit

[toxic pewter]

i cant remember but is it normal for them to delay the event 1 week

[strong forum]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

the prepatch event is next week, so literally jack shit to do

[toxic pewter]

yeah like I feel like this delay is new or some crap? kind annoying ngl

[strong forum]

Usually pre-patches are only 2 weeks iirc? Not 4?

[hardy snow]

I dont remember such delay since WoD prepatch

[merry sluice]

i still dont even get the point of the prepatch event lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah nome

[toxic pewter]

oh so its just longer patch

[lusty grotto]

its usually 2 weeks

[merry sluice]

champion gear doesnt interest me in the slighest, even if im planning on gearing alts

[hardy snow]

well, DF was longer, this one is longer, I guess its new "normal" now

[lusty grotto]

i just wanna get bags and mounts

and xmogs

[toxic pewter]

just gotta get the mogs and collectables of course

[lusty grotto]

ye

[toxic pewter]

and can level new characters too i wonder if it will be faster than remix though

[merry sluice]

I mean i can

id ont want to though

bc i have every class i care about at 70

[lusty grotto]

fair

[merry sluice]

and have since s1

[lusty grotto]

i just enjoy collecting shit

at least whenever i cant push keys or raid

[real fossil]

The Warband change has to be an absolute nightmare

[merry sluice]

i just worry the event will feel grindy to get that stuff, and ive never been too much of a mog andy.
I only go for mogs that suits my RP toons

[lusty grotto]

it does kinda seem very grindy

last prepatch event was kinda not that grindy

this one does seem grindy

[merry sluice]

is this one in major cities?
pls tell me its nowhere near major cities

[toxic pewter]

yeah def seems grindy but I think they are encouraging you to level new toons then use the currency transfers and stuff to make it faster

[lusty grotto]

SL event was grindier than DF event

[toxic pewter]

in legion dal theres portals to the 3 zones where event takes place

[urban bane]

anything for you

[lusty grotto]

bfa event was basically DF event

[merry sluice]

i stand by my modded out statement

[lusty grotto]

legion event was basically bfa/df event

[hardy snow]

I dont even remember what was in DF prepatch event

[lusty grotto]

wod event was basically the same as those 3

[merry sluice]

everytime an event is in major cities they screw roleplayers
and enable sharding for like a month so noone can rp in the major cities and have to go to random garbage-ass zones people hate to RP in and it becomes a horrific lag fest bc everoyne's clumped in a tiny spot

[lusty grotto]

literally bosses spawn that you kill on newbie zones lol

[hardy snow]

wasnt WoD just invasion at dark portal and killing mobs?

[lusty grotto]

yeah kind of

[merry sluice]

the goblin event literal fucked non-guild RP in stormwind for like a month

and it was awful

[hardy snow]

ooh I remember now, DF was with elementalists attacks

[lusty grotto]

yea

you got that heirloom trinket and shit

and the SL one was mostly in icecrown

[hardy snow]

yea, I remember rare with bag

[lusty grotto]

with bosses etc

like none of the event are wildly different from each other

[toxic pewter]

Gonna get a heirloom ring in this event

[hardy snow]

everyone in guild crying about not getting the bag

Ive just got it on first kill

[lusty grotto]

its just this one has a LOT OF ITEMS and a lot of currency per item each

feels like an extension of remix tbh

[toxic pewter]

I think leveling new char will be way to go so you can repeat the weekly quests. Then funnel currency to main

[hardy snow]

I like these events, cool, simple, some nice rewards

[lusty grotto]

yeah its something to do

that being said, i might just rush them so i can continue to play other games

i havent decided yet

either way it starts next week so literally nothing to do in this one

all i was planning is fixing UI, checking warbands and transferring off to my OG server and asking for a cross realm ginvite

[hardy snow]

Im gonna lvl up character in pandaria for tmog purposes in warband char select

[lusty grotto]

to my current guild

and then logging off until next week

[paper coral]

Ya'll cna get in? are you EU? cause I get "all realms down"

[craggy harness]

Blizzard discovering bugs when updating data for characters/guilds/servers that they hadn't been ready for

Not a huge surprise lol

(especially with xfaction guilds and warbands)

[lusty grotto]

we're NA

maintenance was extended until 7pm PDT

[paper coral]

And you were able to play prepatch? or am i misunderstanding?

[lusty grotto]

no dude

maintenance

until

1 hour and 18 mins from now

servers havent been up today

its currently 5:43pm pdt

[paper coral]

I coulda sworn I saw somebody say something. I must be crazy

[lusty grotto]

(or 8:43 edt)

EU players

[paper coral]

disregard me. too many blows to the head.

[lusty grotto]

were able to play today cause they reset tomorrow

just not prepatch

anyway yea its 1 hour and 15 mins until they complete maintenance with this latest extension

for NA, i'd imagine EU's reset will be faster

[toxic pewter]

Ngl I have a bold prediction that they won’t be able to apply the patch and actually will roll back and delay a week (this is why they initially couldn’t even give a firm date as to when this patch would arrive)

Due to technical issues

This is also why the pre patch is slated for a month to perhaps delay again if it’s not doable

[craggy harness]

Doubt that... they just pushed a client update too

nearing the end of whatever marathon they've been on all day

[toxic pewter]

Ya that why I said they will roll back

[craggy harness]

It'd take a specific kind of "oh shit we're screwed" to do that, but ymmv

[toxic pewter]

This is the largest change to the wow code in twenty years so it could be that they’re running into major issues

[craggy harness]

All I can say is wow better be up in an hour

jokes.

[lusty grotto]

believe it or not

warbands are a huge update

for the back end

also

idk why would anyone fiend to play this week, there's nothing to do

[limpid ruin]

Bro I can read my hero talents and then log off

Can’t wait

[lusty grotto]

lmao

for real

[pallid quiver]

Classes that have been changed can also try running the new stuff in dungos

Arcane mage comes to mind, since it's supposed to be simpler now, Shaman's class tree changes

could just wait 'til next week, but it is the first moment non-beta touchers have had to mess with the changes

[craggy harness]

(Logs on) Something’s different!

<World server is down>

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/superman-joke-gif-7319521

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[craggy harness]

Alzheimer’s lets you enjoy everything the first time!

But yeah no lol. Not missed

[lusty grotto]

fair

[merry sluice]

cool now im being punished for spamming chess too

[craggy harness]

Probably the limit of what the devs can do tonight at that point

[toxic pewter]

Watch for the roll back I mentioned

[prisma dust]

yo, any reason why the guide suggests crackling thunder in particular?

shouldnt we be taking honed relfexes vs that?

[lusty grotto]

you can pick whichever, but crackling is more useful for m+

[strong forum]

honed reflexes is ~1 second reduction

with crackling TC has enormous range and provides more significant value

compared to 1 second less CD on kick/SR/stormbolt

if anything you can talent out of rumbling earth to go and pick up HR

[lusty grotto]

yea

[strong forum]

(but getting 25sec CD aoe stop is kinda broken)

actually kinda exciting now that i think about it

shockwave as dps warri

[merry sluice]

yeah i was unirnoically kinda looking forward to that pick lol

[strong forum]

im mostly excited about enha, resto and pres however

but im also gonna spam the shit out of heroic raids to figure out arms

cuz the talents are a mess

shits gna need a rework again

being hard locked into ravager+unhinged even in ST really hurt the flow of the spec

[merry sluice]

I'm sorry to hear that

Jokes aside, I am glad someone can enjoy those specs
but healing just aint for me personally.

im trying to find the best out of my class getting minimal changes

[strong forum]

healing was unironically some of the most fun i had in DF

theres SO much min-maxing you can do

the skill ceiling is so turbo high

[merry sluice]

I tried and tried but just could never get into it in wow like I could in final fantasy boreteen

[violet ginkgo]

so everything went well after maintenance? nothing broken?

[merry sluice]

wdym after

[strong forum]

maintenance isnt over

warbands are bricking

they cant get it to work

[merry sluice]

Shocking that the thing they barely have a ptr to test in super limited capacity is broken e.e

[stone cradle]

i'm in

[merry sluice]

oh boy time to downlaod 50 addons

[toxic pewter]

I am also in lol