protection

[tribal wharf]

up the stairs

[plush tendon]

to the left is safer and like 10/10 times in a pug you go left for simplicity

[round pendant]

Yeah I did frog room a couple times in.. s2? I don't remember when HoI first showed up in m+

[plush tendon]

but, if you can do the frog room, open the door with a snap pull, and bring the two minibosses up to that pull.... thats big value

[tribal wharf]

somebody told me go not to the frog room and i did stop

[plush tendon]

key level matters

[round pendant]

If you pull more at the start of the dungeon, do the snap pull, can you skip the pack before the miniboss?

[plush tendon]

yea

[round pendant]

that's sick

[plush tendon]

you skip those 5 dudes

[tribal wharf]

like, how the fuck you got a meal thats called "banger and mash" and its literal just like, pork breakfast sasuage and mash potatoes.

[round pendant]

Yogi you should try some Spotted Dick

[tribal wharf]

i mean, some of the other stuff at least looks appetizing, or like real food

[plush tendon]

Bangers and mash is a solid meal

[round pendant]

yeah idgi it

bangers and mash is a banger

[plush tendon]

English food gets a bad rap for being bland... but can you blame em?

[plush tendon]

what spices are growing on the British Isles

[tribal wharf]

like really mate

taod in the hole?

[round pendant]

toad in the hole is fucking GOOD

[tribal wharf]

and its a peice of fuckin toast

[round pendant]

British food isn't bland, it's just very savoury

[jagged pier]

Dont need spices when you own half the world

[tribal wharf]

or, thats what i thought it was based on image

[jagged pier]

Its not bread

[tribal wharf]

only spices you need is salt and pepper and heat

for anything

[jagged pier]

It isnt bread

Btw

Its basically pancake batter but savoury

[round pendant]

imagine just shitting on traditional English foods

[tribal wharf]

strange

[plush tendon]

conquered India and build trade routes across the world... and still cant spice a chicken

https://tenor.com/view/buster-keaton-tea-gif-11399815

[round pendant]

it's just a normal batter

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[round pendant]

like yorkshire puddings

[jagged pier]

Yer americans dont know what those are

[round pendant]

I feel sorry for them

[jagged pier]

But they are all pretty much the same ingredients in them

[plush tendon]

I honestly shouldnt be talking bout spices.... I'm from New England

which is basically just England 2.0

[jagged pier]

[round pendant]

I think it's weird to shit on traditional dishes

[plush tendon]

even the towns have the same names!

[jagged pier]

Alot of your towns and citys have the same names because you ppl are so lazy you travel across the ocean to just found tbe same place over there

Because you cant think of a cool name

[round pendant]

Americans be like I'm gonna go make my own England! With blackjack and hookers!

[jagged pier]

Then i remeber you threw our tea int he sea

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-riding-horse-riding-horseback-ride-horse-gif-5115260031370517279

[jagged pier]

At least we dont put sugar in literally everything

Well not even sugar

Corn starch which is even worse for you

[plush tendon]

thats more of corporate American thing

especially if you are buying whatever comes in a mass-marketed box

[tribal wharf]

british food and if i would eat it or not

i had to remove one of the items cuz it literal just says a bad F word

green i would for sure eat it or have tried it, red i would probably never try it, yellow dunno

[cerulean tusk]

Noneof that food is spicy, so it is safe to try them all out

[jagged pier]

Circled ploughmans yet alot of stuff circled in green is part of a plowmans

[tribal wharf]

almost any type of meat slab and onions is great

like steak shaped

[jagged pier]

Bubble and squeak can get fucked tho

[round pendant]

Those bad F words are yummers

[tribal wharf]

it had them in F tier

[round pendant]

They're nice

[tribal wharf]

but it also has liver onions there and beef wellington in D

[cerulean tusk]

Now I am curious what that bad word is

[round pendant]

The slur for gay people

[jagged pier]

Pile of sticks

[round pendant]

or that

[tribal wharf]

bad pile sticks lgbt word

[plush tendon]

beef wellington feels like a lot of work for not a big enough benefit

[jagged pier]

Thats tier list is trash so wrong

[round pendant]

ikr

[jagged pier]

That was made by a non brit

[tribal wharf]

beef wellington A/S i know this much

[plush tendon]

like, Im almost equally as happy with slapping a steak on the grill with a dinner roll as a I would be with a beef wellington

[cerulean tusk]

Why is meatballs F tier?

[jagged gust]

My other problem is microbrews are like 49/50 times disappointing. With a singular exception I've never had one I enjoyed. It's always either more sour than the devil's taint, tastes like soap or is so thick it'd make Guinness feel like a seltzer

[round pendant]

No idea, they're A/High-B tier for me

[tribal wharf]

main thing i say is learn how to make authentic canadian poutine and you wont be let down

[plush tendon]

Im a pretty basic guy when it comes to beer since I dont drink often; empty stomach, Ill have a guinness, just hanging out Im pretty happy with a Belgian Wheat Beer (or something similar)

at a Sox game, ill take a Sam Adams

[tribal wharf]

has to be done right, has to be thick sturdy french fry, cheese curds, and more thickened gravy than chicken

chicken gravy in can is too watery, will fuck it up

[jagged pier]

Nab its not hard u just get some pastry, puree soem mushrooms spread that over the pastry. But the beef on one end and roll. Then into the oven

Ez

Takes 10 mins

[tribal wharf]

you want to use like, mix powder kind almost like turkey sorta.

[jagged gust]

I was literally gonna say between Belgium and Guiness euro already singlehandedly gaps NA

Alexander Keith is my go to local brew tho

[plush tendon]

we have our versions of a belgium wheat over here

[tribal wharf]

and you let the cheese curds melt and then you can also put in mushroom onion, other normal french fry topping

[plush tendon]

or some brewery has their own which is close enough

like a blue moon is a belgium wheat style beer, but its brewed in Colorado

[jagged gust]

Idk how to explain it but the wheats just taste vastly different to me across the pond

[plush tendon]

honestly, as long as its not some hipster IPA, Im fine with it

[jagged gust]

Oh yeah, hipster IPAs are on the no fly list

[plush tendon]

or any sour beer

[round pendant]

IPAs are pretty good

tho I haven't tried the proper hipster ones

[plush tendon]

I just want to drink bread

[cerulean tusk]

Hoy, sour beer ain't shabby

Rude

[jagged gust]

That's why I love Guiness, it's like liquid bread

[round pendant]

It certainly feels like you've eaten a loaf of bread afterwards

[plush tendon]

Guinness is solid on a empty stomach

[jagged gust]

Pour the Guiness and slam it back before the head settles, it'll blow your mind

[jagged gust]

Yogi have you tried making a cheeseburger poutine?

Shit slaps, almost as good as a chili cheese poutine

[tribal wharf]

have not

the thing with that dish is is pretty much malleable

[jagged pier]

No

[tribal wharf]

you can put a ton of different things on it and it sill works as a dish

[jagged gust]

Yeah, it's mostly the pickles adding a nice zing and burgers always make everything better

You know what England needs? Better pickles

I started canning my own just for a taste of home

[blazing condor]

we got beef wellington in wow

two big frogs

[deft hinge]

is chicken tikka masala british?

[frosty holly]

Google says this "It is widely believed that chicken tikka masala was invented in the United Kingdom in the 1970s by Indian chefs trying to adapt their traditional dishes to Western tastes"

[jagged pier]

Yep

[deft hinge]

ahh

[blazing condor]

the real reason india was considered the jewel in the crown

actually brought edible food to britain

[pallid quiver]

something something the national food of england is beer

[wet marlin]

Chicken tikka marsala was invented in Glasgow, Someone wanted a curry with sauce so the chef added cream to chicken tikka, and marsala was born 👍🏽

[neat crow]

British food is unironically poverty slop and I say that as a British person. I literally put on 16kg after moving to Taiwan cause I could actually start to enjoy food again without having to spend my entire food budget on a meal

[jagged gust]

Don't even get me started, in winter it was like 'Do I feel like eating today, or turning the heat on?'

[jagged pier]

Put on a jumper u weak non british person

[frosty holly]

I have the heat off every winter here in Sweden. But that's because i can wear t-shirt and short year around

I hate summer tho!

[neat crow]

Had a good ol 37 degree summers day today

[frosty holly]

I'd be dying

[quick dagger]

ya all live in nice places if 37 is all you getting. We hittint 45, feels like 50ish.

[frosty holly]

If Sweden hit 45-50 I don't think our people would know how to handle it.

[strong forum]

Didn't know the Sahara had Internet

[quick dagger]

aye, would you know it, fibre at that as well!

[strong forum]

Zamn

[quick dagger]

AC keeping us alive till xpac comes out

[frosty holly]

Think highest temp ever in sweden was 38

[quick dagger]

I was in Dubai few days back, temp was 'feels like 58', it definitely felt like that. I spent 5 minutes outside and was toast, headache so bad it was crazy.

[strong forum]

Dry heat is crazy

[quick dagger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1e5izq1/dubai_heatwave_temperature_feels_like_62c_as/

seems like it's getting worse x.x glad to be out of there

[strong forum]

62 💀

[frosty holly]

Yikes

[quick dagger]

aye aye, let's enjoy wow while we can fellas.

Just read Russian swinging around the good ol nuke bonanza

[lusty grotto]

sounds like every thursday

[blazing condor]

who gaf just nuke this shit and get it over with

why edge for 60 years

[frosty holly]

Nuclear winter. How we will solve the heat issue

[dusky canopy]

Haven’t they been discussing nukes since the 60s?

[round pendant]

It's just saber rattling

nukes are constantly maintained and "deployed" otherwise you literally aren't a nuclear threat and can't use it as deterrence

[chilly brook]

who could have forseen that living in a desert is hot

[tribal wharf]

nothing ever happens, nobody ever gets nuked, except for FO and RTS games

fake news nukes .... /s

[round pendant]

you mean other than Japan

[tribal wharf]

bikini atol, that one island above russia they use to test on...

i think arizona and california desert, but like, yeh, nukes are nukes, not much to say

pretty obvious what it does... etc

diablo 4 new class!!!

(still havent played past lvl 2 yet)

i MIGHT be lvl 3 or 4 or 5, dunno

should be free i would hope.... i just hope they add something cool and not total ctrl C ctrl V d3 dh

[sick sentinel]

PoE is over there, get fucked

[tribal wharf]

eh poe is kinda boring for me

diablo 2 way better than any of them

[jagged gust]

blizz has failed to recreate the magic that was diablo 2

[sick sentinel]

Little bro got filtered by PoE

[tribal wharf]

yes but no

but it was due to my own choices and not giving enough of a fuck to stick around long enough, pay attention etc

like, im casual with like 50% of games i play, first time play poe i tried to play it on hard core

died second act, um, and then after that, i played it on xbox, did shield and weapon throw build xbox sucks not alot of players so hard to get items for good price,

i've always liked diablo 2 better

[round pendant]

all I'm hearing is that you tried to play PoE in the two worst ways possible

[tribal wharf]

yup

and that was enough to ruin it forever for me

i dont hate the game but i could just now never get into the game fully

[ruby ember]

hi! where can i see talents for beta tww?

[lusty grotto]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1230018936427515924

[celest salmon]

so I have run 4 TW dungeons as prot (first time ever playing prot) and wow, is it different than the VDH I am used to

[round pendant]

It is indeed different

[celest salmon]

VDH is basically like playing dps, this is soooo different

[round pendant]

prot is like playing dps too

maintain shield block, press shield slam > thunder clap > revenge, IP to avoid capping rage

avatar and demo shout on cd

shield charge

ezpz you win

[celest salmon]

i briefly played a warr back in vanilla but stance dancing wasn't my thing haha

[plush tendon]

its still not really

B-Stance is default, D-Stance should be treated like a toggle when you need it

[blazing condor]

only thing stance does now is decrease ur damage taken/done

[celest salmon]

probably a really dumb question, but what should my loot spec be

[blazing condor]

you can use all abilities

[jagged pier]

u didnt even stance dance in vanilla once u got like a tiny bit of gear

[plush tendon]

depends on what you want; need a shield or trying for a specific tank trinket, prot. Most of the time youll be in Fury/Arms

[celest salmon]

right now basically I need everything lol. boosted the char a few days ago. I'm trying out a few different chars to see if I am gonna change out my main alt for TWW.

[plush tendon]

what are you planning to level as?

Personally, I would try to get a decent enough shield and gear for leveling

[celest salmon]

I just got All-Totem from the weekly quest and it make me think of what loot spec I should be in

I honestly don't know how I will level this char in TWW. I am gonna do a run in beta to see how long it takes to level doing just dungeons and compare that to questing.

[plush tendon]

remember, first toon you have to quest with (just the main story)

after that, can level however

[celest salmon]

yea, my main would be running through the main story and all side quests

[oblique garnet]

After you get shield you can switch to fury to loot onehanders

[celest salmon]

Gotta say, this discord is waaay friendlier than the burr discord...

[oblique garnet]

Otherwise its mostly arms unless you want some specific tank trinkets

[oblique garnet]

Its also because youre in the boomer spec channel and not dps channel

[celest salmon]

lol

[cerulean tusk]

You just safe, cause we busy waring in tww channels till late kicks us out of there

[merry sluice]

(Burr?)

[jagged pier]

and trinkets because dps trinkets still our best

even tho they have been turned down

for tanks

[oblique garnet]

Im like the nicest mod wdym

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Yes master, you are the nicest and kindest, bestest.

[oblique garnet]

Are you trying to say otherwise

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

Go on

[jagged pier]

[oblique garnet]

[blazing condor]

[cerulean tusk]

Phew, safe

[merry sluice]

Why be late

When you can be early

😄

[blazing condor]

makes my wife disappointed

[merry sluice]

😦

[oblique garnet]

Because better Late than never 8)

[merry sluice]

But the early bird gets the worm :D

[waxen frigate]

Yeah it was funny explaining it to guildies

“A 30% nerfed Grieftorch is still infinitely more Dps gain than a treemouth so”

[waxen frigate]

I disappoint my husband @lusty tiger

[blazing condor]

so he tells me

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but who wants to eat worms

[waxen frigate]

Omg he talks about me? 😳

[lusty tiger]

@waxen frigate could never disappoint me

[waxen frigate]

I’m not like crowdstrike

[lusty tiger]

Tru

[jagged pier]

bigg oofft for them today

[lusty grotto]

jk, late ❤️

[chilly brook]

I can certainly confirm not the meanest mod

but not sure I can confirm the nicest

[oblique garnet]

ill maybe concede that @ionic fern might be nicer

[pallid quiver]

I was gonna say, out of the ones that pop up here, it's more of a mean competition because you all are nice

[chilly brook]

I think Naeno might be nicest

but only on the grounds that I've never seen them chat

[oblique garnet]

look at this emote name

[dusky canopy]

HAH! I knew damn well that you’d use this joke and I’d see it some day

[oblique garnet]

Someone finally set it up ive been waiting for it for years

[chilly brook]

lies and slander

[lusty grotto]

late will come back to play with the NA boys if TWW is good confirmed

how long has it been?

2019-20 LOL 5-6 years

we need bullfango back too :\

[merry sluice]

BUT THE PROTEIN

[oblique garnet]

Theres plenty of better sources for that

[oblique garnet]

lmao no im old now

[lusty grotto]

if you are, im ancient

[oblique garnet]

ikr grandpa

[lusty grotto]

👴

[jagged pier]

👴

[oblique garnet]

in all seriousness im an ffxiv enjoyer now

🙂

very casual gaming

[lusty grotto]

so am i

[oblique garnet]

yeah ok im not that big

[lusty grotto]

but i dont know if ill have time to clear savage this exp

[jagged pier]

okay weeb calm down

[lusty grotto]

reeee

i dont even like anime

[jagged pier]

I got to pray got told it was a 40min dungeon

k

logged out

never logged back in

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

[oblique garnet]

prae is like 30 minutes of good memes

[lusty grotto]

prae got shortened by a lot

and is 4 man now

but its still pretty long

[oblique garnet]

Ill see your nolife and raise you the true casual

[lusty grotto]

as it should be

now let me present you my crafters

[oblique garnet]

checkmate

[lusty grotto]

i need to level them before savage comes out 😦

make some gil

feels good when WoW is dead

a lot of time for other game activities

before i go headfirst into it again, i might do the pre-patch event i guess

[oblique garnet]

i cant be bothered to level them up

Im very lazy

[lusty grotto]

yeah crafting isnt for everyone

i wouldnt recommend it

[oblique garnet]

its not even that

Its just that i have no real purpose to go for them

[lusty grotto]

i see

you dont miss too much

if anything

[oblique garnet]

you dont really miss anything

[lusty grotto]

yea

its just great for making gil, but this game already throws gil at you for existing

i just find it fun, especially all the crafter content

well crafting in itself is not fun

[oblique garnet]

I am bad at making money

[lusty grotto]

but getting crafter relics and shit is engaging

[oblique garnet]

I just do pve/pvp content

[lusty grotto]

im doing ok

yeah

i love pvp

after the rework last exp

got cystalline a few times

[oblique garnet]

im waiting on the new season

[lusty grotto]

cleared all savage fights last exp

felt good

what are you playing?

[oblique garnet]

In pvp?

Monk

[lusty grotto]

yea

[oblique garnet]

In pve tank

[lusty grotto]

i do BLM/WHM

and sometimes SGE

[oblique garnet]

I will never heal

[lusty grotto]

its pvp, you dont heal lmao

[oblique garnet]

You heard me

[lusty grotto]

WHM is pretty fucking great to set up kills in CC though

same with BLM and of course DKR

[oblique garnet]

WHM is pretty easy to kill 8)

[lusty grotto]

well yeah thats your job as MNK

mnk and nin are super good for harassing teams

and going for kills

as a BLM if theres no NIN or MNK, im basically carrying the team

[oblique garnet]

if theres a monk you run away

[lusty grotto]

if theres one of the 2 and they are any good, and harass me

[oblique garnet]

(8

[lusty grotto]

im shut down

i do play more offensively than most people though

so i dont really pussy out

[merry sluice]

I think i just found the most stupid hunter ever
5 times of him jumping off on the OPPOSITE SIDE of the ring in avc away from the group

IDk if he was actually this stupid, or trolling

[lusty grotto]

on plat/diamond/crystalline sometimes i just swap to sage and that's that

[oblique garnet]

I havent played ranked yet because the season was over when i finally started to get serious about the game

[lusty grotto]

ah

[oblique garnet]

nobody is queuing the gamemode rn so its never ending quew

[oblique garnet]

couldve just left it at hunter

[lusty grotto]

yeah most people are spamming frontline to level jobs

i wish you could region travel

but primal NA has a pretty big pvp community

im sure EU has one in one of your data centers

ive heard things about Light before

[oblique garnet]

I am at light

Its just that nobody really plays during preseason

[lusty grotto]

yeah makes sense

[oblique garnet]

i think i spent 2 hours in ranked que 8)

At like primetime before giving up

[lusty grotto]

light had some pretty spicy win-trader drama a while back

[oblique garnet]

This guy runs at you what do you do? 8)

[empty pike]

Go for the high five

[lusty grotto]

im a lala

i charge back 😉

[oblique garnet]

ah so basically puntable marmot

[lusty grotto]

a crystalline ranked puntable marmot

[oblique garnet]

its pretty fun doing frontlines and just have people run away from you

[lusty grotto]

lmao

that will keep happening because everyone assumes you have limit up

and that means death

or that you will knock them into your team

[oblique garnet]

The panic in people is what gets me going 😄

[lusty grotto]

[lusty grotto]

murder baby time

btw i fed by taking that screenshot and we lost by 7 points

LMAO

probably gave like 50 points away

[robust urchin]

I show him who's boss of this gym

[merry sluice]

Playing wow on an integrated GPU is not a pleasant time
I strongly do not reccomend

[lusty grotto]

playing wow on a dead month is not a pleasant time i strongly do not recommend

[merry sluice]

At least the latter does gewt me motion sick

[ionic fern]

I'm a secret mean person. So you win.

[pallid quiver]

can confirm, mwahi has personally broken my legs at least three times

[drowsy fable]

Noob question - is it worth/suggested to macro in Shield Block into other abilities?

[lusty grotto]

not if youre new

and not if you cant read what its used for

spoiler: its not used for shield slamming

[drowsy fable]

I have trouble reading for sure

[lusty grotto]

i completely misread

absolutely not

do not macro Shield Block to anything

i thought you meant the IP + SS macro

in which case then #protection message applies

[empty pike]

Why are you against it? Shouldn't we aim for 100% shield block uptime anyways and macroing it gets you pretty close to that. Obv it's not as effective in between pulls to have shield blocked at the end of the last one but it's better than not using it because you're not pressing it enough (which is what a macro would solve), right?

[lusty grotto]

because most lurkers go for ITF without having the rating for it

and its not good play, the 2nd blizzard reduces any type of SB extension etc, it will be bad for them to get used to it

not to mention a new exp is coming out

which means higher levels == lower haste percent due to how ratings work

[merry sluice]

There’s also limit to how long active mitigation can stack so you could possibly ‘lose’ uptime as a result if anything

[lusty grotto]

yup

[empty pike]

Oh? What do you mean? It reaches a duration limit if you keep extending it?

[lusty grotto]

3 times its duration not counting bolster

[empty pike]

So you have to let it fall off in between there to allow yourself to extend it again? That's weird

[lusty grotto]

no

its just bad play to macro it

[empty pike]

Ah

[merry sluice]

It shouldn’t realistically be an issue with any normal play. But if you say, had shield block macroed to something and spammed it back to back, which you wouldn’t do with regular play of pressing it manually… (or shouldn’t do, rather)

[urban portal]

Also in raid you don’t want to have 24s or shield block while not actively tanking

[empty pike]

I had my dad macro it because he has a lot of trouble with having keybinds for everything flaring up his carpal tunnel, it's definitely not as optimal as manually controlling it but it allows him to put another button close to his fingers instead of block. Just doesn't have manual flexibility for all the warrior keybinds haha

[lusty grotto]

what content does your dad do

[empty pike]

So we came up with like a mega macro that presses like fucking everything that you can fit on a button and yeah it's not great but it's better than not pressing the buttons ever hehe

We've been learning low mythic plus keys

[merry sluice]

I somewhat feel this in that I have severe arthritis, but there might be “out of the bo” bindings he can do to limit his finger movement

(Or even consider an mmo mouse of some variation)

[lusty grotto]

its not correct play but there is content where every

optimization is kind of irrelevant

low keys are probably in that level

[empty pike]

Yeah exactly. It's not objectively correct but the alternative is never pressing buttons that he should be pressing because it doesn't have a key binding that he can reach

[merry sluice]

Also consider mouse over macros + macroing heroic leap so it casts @ cursor and ravager so it casts @ cursor to to minimize the amount of clicking

[empty pike]

Yeah we did those, very helpful for him

The mega macro we have includes charge as well as the opener so he doesn't have to bind that either, hehe

The one stop shop button for survivability, damage, and movement : p

[lusty grotto]

remember were in a class discord

we dont recommend sub-obtimal or incorrect play

[empty pike]

Hehehe

[junior spade]

When does the season end?

[lusty grotto]

thats not who we cater to

[empty pike]

Optimality/incorrectness is subjective wrt skill level though. What is correct for the top 0.1% is not always the correct play for average joe imho

[lusty grotto]

no

highly disagree

there is no correct way to play thats different between skill levels

its just not as important

[merry sluice]

N’yes

While it’s true some suboptimal habits or plays will not ruin someone doing their weekly vault

every mistake adds up. And if you’regimping his rotation and macro, then that new pug healer you got who can’t dispel him, or keep the group up during HPS checks becomes a much bigger issue

Or his decreased dps from a worse rage cycle means he is now more reliant on all 3 of his dps doing competent dmg, etc etc. and god forbid you get multiple factors at once

Even if ur casual it’s still best to minimize what’s in your control

[empty pike]

Well I also am healing him hehe, I switched roles so we could do this and learn together without frustrating pug healers

[lusty grotto]

correct gameplay is binary

[merry sluice]

That was just an example of a mistake out of his control. You still have 3 dps (and your own suboptimal play as healer, intentional or accidental) to compound on these issues

[lusty grotto]

there is no in-between

[round pendant]

idk man tell your dad to get an mmo mouse and use the buttons

RSI is triggered by modifier keys in my experience

[empty pike]

Yeah he doesn't use modifier keys at all which is why he has less key space

[empty pike]

Yeah, and this is basically it hehe. We are choosing deliberate sub optimalities as he learns as training wheels, essentially. When we started he was hardly using any buttons and we have been gradually incorporating more and more. You can't immediately go from 0 to 100 as a casual, you need to ramp, and this is part of our ramp

[merry sluice]

he should
that will dramatically increase required hand movement.

I have severe arthritis (so, granted, it impacts the actual joints of my fingers much more)
using ctrl+shift+alt

means I never have to move my hand from wasd. I barely evne need to move my individual fingers to press everything in our kit, let alone my wrist

no modifiers means he has to move his hand a lot more

[round pendant]

ctrl shift and alt modifiers, especially alt will absolutely fuck your RSI up

rsi isn't about moving your hand

It's caused by small repetitive movements

[empty pike]

How do you press left hand buttons and mod keys without leaving wasd?

[round pendant]

ctrl and shift are pinky buttons, alt is thumb

[merry sluice]

It doesn’t have to be ctrl+shift+alt it can be whatever is free.

I use mny thumb for all 3

[empty pike]

Yeah but then your 3 middle fingers would need to leave wasd to press the other buttons. Or do you mean modifiers and then mmo mouse for everything?

[round pendant]

honestly mmo mouse is the play for this I think

[merry sluice]

I rest my hands slightly angled, and my thumb rests between alt/space, and i press ctrl/shift with the side of my thumb

[round pendant]

1-6/7, q e r t f g x c v, + 9 mouse buttons

should be enough maybe

but shift 1-6 is good for buttons he presses less often

[empty pike]

Yeah I'll probably broach this at some point, but that wouldn't be very easy for him either because of the ease of misclicking with mmo mouses

[lusty grotto]

your dad is not disabled

[empty pike]

How do you know?

[lusty grotto]

dont underestimate the value of his muscle memory

or him

[merry sluice]

do u at least use more than an office mouse?
you could get one with like 2-3 buttons on the side, and bind mouse wheel click

that's 3-4 buttons right there (9-12 if you use 3 mods)

[round pendant]

Chronic carpal tunnel can be a disability

[lusty grotto]

what yam is suggesting is something that will take some time to get used to, but it sounds like now is the right moment for it

[empty pike]

He just had surgery on his wrists for rsi, has to go through physical therapy, etc, wears a wrist brace for them all the time.

[empty pike]

Yeah we just started using left side and right side button and middle click

[lusty grotto]

well that wont matter with an mmo mouse

[round pendant]

As long as he keeps shield block up and shield walls properly he can do keys it's fine

[lusty grotto]

i personally dont use mmo mice, but it helps tremendously for what yam is saying

[merry sluice]

tangentially relevant:
If he plays anything other than warrior
you can also use an add-on like clique to actually use mousebuttons bound to mouse overs on allied frames

[lusty grotto]

especially with problems like you all are describing

you dont need clique for that

the game does it by itself

[merry sluice]

no

im saying something else

[round pendant]

You could also get a 75% keyboard with the F keys directly aligned with the number keys

those are pretty neat

[merry sluice]

just a side thing barely relevant, but its a good mention anyways when talking about macros

Vanilla ui doesnt let you use mouse buttons for mouse-over macros on frames

wow moment

other buttons work fine

[lusty grotto]

im not talking about macros

[round pendant]

I actually wish my keyboard was like this

[lusty grotto]

the game has a mouse over option since DF

[empty pike]

Just prot warrior for now hehe he has a hard enough time learning even the binds for that

[lusty grotto]

or maybe even since SL

it exists, i havent personally used it though since i have macros for mouseover on all my healers

[empty pike]

Hehe well he definitely does that now with the macro we set up : D

[merry sluice]

still funky for mouse buttons though
trust me, it was an annoyance I had to become very keenly aware of when i wasn on paladin e.e

[lusty grotto]

hmm

youre talking about the mmo mice buttons?

right?

in that case yeah there's no way ive ran into that problem

lol

[merry sluice]

no just general mouse buttons

like thumb1, thumb 2, mouse-wheel click

[lusty grotto]

hmm strange i havent had that issue

[merry sluice]

for example vanilla UI wouldnt let us mouse-over spellwarding
but if they only play warrior its not a big deal since ur probably not mouse over anything friendly if ur not a draenei lol

[lusty grotto]

but im also trying to remember if i have anything bound for mouseover there

[merry sluice]

bc we all know intervene isd a fucking meme

[empty pike]

I want intervene to be awesome, it's such a cool idea for an ability. I was big sad when I learned no one takes it or uses it

[round pendant]

I think I used it in halls of valor

heh

[lusty grotto]

it used to be awesome

[merry sluice]

they teased us with it for a short moment when hero talents were revealed

[round pendant]

I mouseover heroic throw and stormbolt

that's it

[lusty grotto]

it will have some use in TWW with thane, so thats fine

[merry sluice]

i ninja-edited in 'friendly
the mouse-button issue on mouseovers is only when using friendly spells on ally frames

U can bind whatever to mouseover enemies in vanilla ui

i am really overzealous with harm mouseovers though bc im a gremlin and wanna minimize clicks

[lusty grotto]

the only mouseover things i use are beneficial

i dont play just warrior remember

every single beneficial/buff/utility spell in all of my chars is mouseover

that includes, ret pally, druid, evoker, mage, etc

but... its possible i dont bind my mouse buttons for them, i cant remember right now cause that would require me to log in

[merry sluice]

well im probably not playing my paladin anymore after they decided to delete prot paladin from tww
but i mouse overed anything i'd feasibly cast on someone there

even draenei racial lmfao

[lusty grotto]

remind me next week

i have no reason to not believe you

but i wanna see it not work in action

[merry sluice]

if you use non-vanilla raid frames i think it'll allow mouseovers on allies too

alright

[lusty grotto]

i use elvui

thats about it

no clique or vuhdo

[merry sluice]

i've never personally used elvui
bc I hate the look when im being cringe and roleplaying

and its too muich of a hassle to swap back and forth e.e

[round pendant]

I literally only use elvui for the chat + unit frames

and I guess minimap and buff/debuffs

I disable everything else about it

[merry sluice]

tbf in Roleplay we use listener a lot
which is the best thing for chat in that use case

it lets us open a multiple chat windows where we can whitelist (or blacklist) any other user of our choice from showing up. So we don't have to be sitting exclusively in raid chat or whispers.

Not using that in any big gathering, or in stormwind/org if basically asking to go insane lol

[lusty trout]

Question pls. I've been using charge+victory rush macro while on fury and am trying to do the same for shield charge+impending victory on prot. However the prot version doesn't work. I just changed the spell names on the macro so I was expecting it to work. Is it really not possible to do a shield charge+impending victory combo on prot? Thank you.

[empty pike]

Shield charge costs a global cool down and so does impending victory afaik, so they can't be used together in a macro. Regular charge doesn't cost one though so in theory could go together with impending

[lusty grotto]

those are gcd abilities

you cant macro them together

yes zoe is right

but also, i wouldnt recommend such a macro

im guessing it doesnt really matter for fury, but i wouldnt recommend charge + impending for prot

and again shield charge + iv won't work

[lusty trout]

ok copy. thank you!

[waxen quarry]

issue is that its useless on both dps and tank

and the fix is quite simple

not even safeguard

just let us intervene spellreflect

[empty pike]

Yeah that would be sick

[waxen quarry]

but safeguard would be better ngl

but if they dont want to give us a very strong external on a short cd sure just give us sr

[waxen quarry]

it was in the game for a short while

then they removed it

or it was a tooltip thing i dont remember

[strong forum]

we get magic absorb intervene as thane in TWW

its like 13% of someones HP as a magic absorb on top (as tank)

for a 30sec CD

so its pretty useful

[empty pike]

Yeah that's not bad but it doesn't have the same vibes as "get down Mr president" and slam the spell back where it came from hehehe

[pallid quiver]

But that 3 target aoe stun that increases the CD of your usually ST stun

[merry sluice]

🙂

[strong forum]

fuck that

literal useless talent outside of pvp

[pallid quiver]

Definitely more worth, especially in a world where there's more casts that are planned to be unable to be interacted with

[merry sluice]

I keep looking at my name and pfp and thinking its someone else and getting confused for like 5 seconds until i realize I did that

fuck im so dumb

[pallid quiver]

From instant casts, recast on hardstop instead of interrupt, or not hitting useful targets

[strong forum]

thats a nerf to silences right guys?

guys?

wait that just makes silences more op?

no waaay

[bleak breach]

I’m scared

[merry sluice]

imagine if a really mobile

really high dmg tank

had an aoe silence

that'd be crazy

[strong forum]

sounds like pwar to me

[merry sluice]

Trueee!

[round pendant]

I don't mind if they went the route of requiring silences instead of stuns

That way you're still getting melee'd and stuff

Prob more fun than just requiring 20 stun locks

[violet ginkgo]

@strong forum I want the disrupting shout talent merge into 1 node only

[drifting juniper]

guys

are you also having issues with your defensive trinkets consuming your reflect?

[grim pilot]

U mean treemouth splinter

U reflect the initial dam

@south zealot said its an incosistent bug(?)

[timid nacelle]

Hey Team, switched back to my warr couple weeks ago in prep for TWW, got a log review done a little while back and have been working on improving. Can I get another round of feedback on this one? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WM9T1bNVrGfwgqHB Thanks in advance

[jagged pier]

not pressing buttons enough speically SS

not managing SB correctly

not manging outburst correctly

[median tulip]

You're still wasting a bit of Rage, so you can improve there. You can and should use Impending Victory a bit more. Outburst Procs are being used on TClap several times (although I can't see target numbers at those points). Overall it's not bad but there's still room for improvement. I've phoned in low keys playing worse, NGL tho

[forest swallow]

I always start my 'rotation' with Shield slam and Thunder clap but I never have enough rage to use shield block and ignore pain so ihave to wait a few seconds for extra rage, is this normal or am idoing something very wrong?

[median tulip]

At the start of combat prioritise using Shield Charge; it gives Rage and puts your Shield Block up. That should give you enough time to get the Rage flowing for the rest of the fight

[forest swallow]

should i ever use revenge or execute after i get my shield block and ignore pain up?

[round pendant]

ravager charge avatar shieldblock demo shout troar shield charge

hold troar and ravager for when packs are grouped tho

but yeah simply charge -> avatar gives you enough rage for shield block

[round pendant]

The fact you're mentioning IP like this makes me think you're pressing it too much

IP is simply pressed to prevent overcapping rage, which if you're playing properly will happen a lot, so it naturally maintains itself

[median tulip]

You only press Revenge when you don't have any other GCD-ability available

Both Revenge and Execute have the function of fishing for Shield Slam reset procs.

[round pendant]

Try to maintain pace pulling packs so you don't simultaneously run out of shield block and rage

since the start of pulls is always the riskiest part

[strong forum]

Charge + avatar is enough to get shield block up immediately

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank

May I refer to dis

[blazing condor]

since they all off gcd its easy too

[cerulean tusk]

Tried to follow Nome's guide, now I am stuck on icy-veins comments section, send help

[merry sluice]

Sorry, instructions too complicated, my Draenei’s tail is stuck in the fan

[molten vault]

this comment just changed my life

i just picked up warr tanking and had been playing DH before so i was using IP like a maintenance buff similar to demon spikes lol

[round pendant]

Yeah it's definitely not something you have to focus on keeping up

it's just a rage spender

I wonder what it is about warrior that makes people use it like that though

cause it's so common

[pallid quiver]

50% dr

OP

[round pendant]

Yeah but those people probably also never press shield wall

I guess it's just because it's ogcd it's like

waow so ez just spam ignore pain never die

[merry sluice]

Other tanks have active mitigation which is off the GCD, so they probably don’t immediately process that in this case, it being off GCD explicitly allows you to dump rage faster, and instead continue to treat it as ‘the active mitigation’ in our kit, rather than the glorified rage dump that it actually is

Vdh doesn’t have anything to dump, and demon spikes can’t even get close to 100% uptime, especially without FTD builds, so just send it. SOTR is off GCD, but youll never have more than 5 holy power.

Since they think of it as our “primary active mit” it’s probably really weird to them to de emphasize it

[round pendant]

Also I think how in low content like normal dungeons where Ignore Pain being literally all you need gives the idea that it's actually effective for mit

[round pendant]

I agree for people trying it when they've tanked on other specs but even new tanks do it

I even did it and I hadn't tanked (or even played at all) since legion ppal

I think it was mainly just that, the absorb lasts forever in normal dungeons so it seems good

Less of an issue now I guess since heroics will probably do enough damage to break the absorb and require other mitigation, but it was the case in s3 and prior

[merry sluice]

I can't speak on what mindset new tanks go through.
I settled on warrior after trying every other spec x.x

[tribal wharf]

i think horde should have an equally as good offensive racial, to compensate for dwarf, even if in reverse, over powered that it deals dmg instead of removes debuff, since ally got dwarf, then again, we have cowstomp, which is pretty good for mostly keys, but alot of general tank things, probably healer things,

[merry sluice]

Fair

but we all know cute goat demon girl is the best racial

so idk if hrode can compete with that one

okay this early joke isnt funny to begin with

[cerulean tusk]

Meld is the best tank racial, it is the "fuck you brat" button, when DPS keeps being pushy

Just AoE taunt after he dies, and write ??

[merry sluice]

I may or may not have stood ontop of my evoker friend and bopped myself when he made a comment calling me a cringe roleplayer
For some reason he hasnt played with me since last season 🤔

I also dont play paladin anymore so rip

[flat stratus]

double sonic double screech ?

[cerulean tusk]

stood inside the circle of screetch?

[flat stratus]

no but at 4th to 5th my group died suddenly

they got one shotted like four of them xD

[south zealot]

they stacked

[timid jasper]

To add to the whole IP thing, it’s definitely lower level habits that create confusion… just leveled again and you can’t really chain SB and then it’s on CD so you just end up spam IP for some mitigation

Similar to BDK and marrow spam, bone stacks are terrible to manage until almost max level so people spam MR for mitigation which ends up being completely the opposite of what you should do lol

[forest swallow]

So i should only use IP if i have too much rage and use revenge and execute before IP

[timid jasper]

Well it works for low level so if you’re still leveling use it but just keep it in your head what it’s end purpose is

[forest swallow]

I also dont know if i should use rend

Cuz i looked at the best talent tree on wowhead and they used it but because i didnt have enoigh rage i didnt want to use it

[merry sluice]

execute if ur low target counts, like 1 or 2

revenge is pretty much only used to fish for shield slam resets (so only when u dont have a shield slam, or thunderclap off cd)

[timid jasper]

Thunderclap eventually applies rend

But you need rend for it, should say so in the tooltip

[merry sluice]

excess rage like, 60+ is dumped into ignore pain. Ignore pain is off the global cd. Since we get CDR, as well as healing and some other benefits from spending rage, we dont wanna cap rage, bc then excess rage we generated is wasted. Ignore pain is the most effecient way to dump the excess rage since we can dump it off the global cool down, thus not delaying the usage of any other spells

[forest swallow]

So i shouldnt use IP even if its almost running out

[timid jasper]

Don’t forget about shield wall lol

Man I would pick a space goat if I didn’t have to do a quest for red lol

[urban portal]

You use ip based on your rage

Not based on whether it’s up

[merry sluice]

Refilling your IP would be a low priority, yes.

If you can refill it, then do so. But don't do it if doing so will leave you with too little rage to refill shield block.
And I wouldn't do it over fishing for a shield slam reset via revenge (if both Shield slam and thunderclap are on cd)

In an ideal world you'd be bouncing between a minimum of 30 rage (to maintain shield block) and like 60-70, at which point you'll want to start dumping rage until you're back down around 30

[merry sluice]

i mean doesnt take particularly long
espeically if you just skip the dialogue.

not like there's anything else to do in game rn anywyas

[timid jasper]

Fair but tutorial zone again too

https://tenor.com/view/nope-brennan-huff-step-brothers-no-not-at-all-gif-16704124883174027526

But I’ve played so many specs I really should main something and eventually have a decent character lol

[merry sluice]

👿 🐐

[timid jasper]

Self heal isn’t bad racial

What do you use for SB and IP keybinds

[south zealot]

e and x

[dawn canyon]

C and 4

[cerulean tusk]

2 and mouse button 8

(thumb button, basically)

[jolly coral]

Hello, good afternoon, a question, is there any racial that is necessary or better in tanks or is it the same now? I want to go for high keys (I'm new to tanking) and I don't know if racials really make a big difference. Thanks ^^
I'm between BDK and Warrior for my first tank experience and wanna try it in the beta

[oblique garnet]

Dwarf is usually good in m+ to remove w/e dangerous bleeds

[timid jasper]

Yeah I need to adjust IP for spam was using shift1 lol

[cerulean tusk]

If you never done BDK before, go for it, if you played BDK before - save yourself the heartache 💔

Pwarr tho, is same old, same old

[lusty tiger]

@waxen frigate come over cutie

[timid jasper]

Pwarr is great because you mitigate with defensives and don’t really worry too much just fight stuff

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sweet-dreams-good-night-sloth-yawn-sleepy-gif-15429452

preparing my bingo card

[lusty tiger]

👴

[lusty grotto]

#1230008411333066913 message

also 👴

[lusty tiger]

Yes

Both for sure

[lusty grotto]

💯

somehow forgot "people that think IP is more important than SB"

but hey its not a bingo card if it only has 5 things in it

[lusty tiger]

A very important one

I kept pressing ip because I couldn’t let it drop but I keep dying and losing threat

[lusty grotto]

[merry sluice]

me personally?
e and r

idr why i chose those but i had a reason at some point

[lusty tiger]

I use G

[lusty grotto]

i logged in just now, because im checking what the fuck is up with my reps

for the first time in 2.5 weeks

[merry sluice]

check how mouseovers on thumb/rightclick/mouseclick work on vanilla ui
im curious if its borked on ur setup

[lusty grotto]

OH

right we talked about that

you said friendly targets yea?

i just mouseover LoH'd a random

with mouse4

[merry sluice]

friendly spells on vanilla frames, using mouse buttons (barring MMO mice buttons bc I’ve not tested those)

Did you mouse over player or their frame

[lusty grotto]

oh on frames

[merry sluice]

It’ll work on models not frames

[lusty grotto]

fuck do i have to get into a group for that

[merry sluice]

Rip (not really that big of a deal, it can just wait until you do content naturally )I’m not at pc rn or I could just hop on with you

[lusty grotto]

yeah i ALT+F4d when i said that lmao

other game booting up

(:

it kinda sounds like its a vanilla frames issue

which is why it doesnt affect me

[merry sluice]

It’s def a vanilla issue
And a dumb one at that lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah cause i just checked

i do have Swiftmend on Middle mouse

its the only one that i have on mouse buttons

and i dont remember it not working

but ive also been using elvui for so long

[merry sluice]

That’s why I initially suggested clique. Bc it lets u mouse over macro friendly frames without a ui mod

I’ve never used elvui, but if it replaces frames that’d probably do it bc other frames also work form experience

[lusty grotto]

kinda weird

but im still curious as to the mystery of it

also what type of frames did you have the issue in

was it the barebones one or the raidstyle ones?

[merry sluice]

I wanna say both, bc I had quirks when I was shadow-priest pilled. But I swapped to raid style the moment I started tanking with DF. And it was with pally’s blessings that I really felt annoyed

[lusty grotto]

ive watched jak a few times on stream and he doesnt seem to have issues with default on beta

or any other streamer basically

[merry sluice]

Maybe beta’s fixed it, or they don’t have it bound to mouse buttons? It’s still an annoyance, but it’s ‘whatever’ now that I’m only playing warrior

[lusty grotto]

i cant think of any streamer that doesnt load up on mouseovers

but mouse buttons specifically, i guess i would have to check

[forest swallow]

where does it say this i cant find it anywhere

[lusty grotto]

last pin

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=384277/blood-and-thunder

which will be removed this tuesday

and tclap will apply it automatically

[junior spade]

If I did all +10s this week do you think I would get 2k rating?

[lusty grotto]

1 chest 10s are 171.5 rating a pop

more or less depending on dungeon

171 * 8 =

1368

shouldn't be possible but i may be wrong

if you had some score last week, it might be

or tyr week

[merry sluice]

if he has no fort score

wouldn't that get a 1.5x mod, since it'd be his highest score out of either week?

[round pendant]

Using execute insteead of revenge isn't actually something I do

How much more damage is it?

idk why it's just never something I've thought to do for some reason

I guess I do it somewhat, but not 100% replacing revenge in those scenarios

[lusty grotto]

you only replace revenge on less than 3 targets

[round pendant]

yeah that's part of the scenario I'm talking about

[lusty grotto]

it is better, i just dont have the numbers cause the season has been over

[merry sluice]

i think 8 +10s

would get u loke 2030-2050ish

depending on how close to a double upgrade u were

[lusty grotto]

like i said

[merry sluice]

so you 'can'

[lusty grotto]

it depends if he did tyr keys

if hes only doing this week, its not possible

[merry sluice]

im assuming no score ine ither week

ur highest score out of either week gets a 1.5x mod

and ur lowest score on the other week gets half score

if u only do tyr, then u only have a highest score so u get the 1.5x

ur base score calculation is correct

[lusty grotto]

that was my first BH 10 this season

last number is score

[merry sluice]

thats showing ur base score though

this is a friend of mine who has barely touched the season

look at the Hoi score

[lusty grotto]

right, around 171

[merry sluice]

yes

but look at his overall rating for HoI

[round pendant]

yeah you should get 260ish for a +10+0

[merry sluice]

its 256

which is x 1.5

[lusty grotto]

i see

that makes sense

there's one part for the entire dungeon, and another thats fort/tyr specific

[merry sluice]

yeah maybe i didnt explain it well

[lusty grotto]

either way we have no way of knowing what the dude asking has ran

[round pendant]

it's a weird system

[merry sluice]

but its def possible with all 10s

the real challenge is getting in all 10s this late int he season

wtih no score

[lusty grotto]

that being said, 10 in both tyr and fort is like 2700

and i know cause my alts are there

well higher than but you cant push past 2.8k with just straight single chested 10s

it caps at 27XX with single-chested 10s with both tyr/fort

[merry sluice]

yeah two single upgrade 10s should be aorund 340ish per dungeon

can vary a couple points based on timer

so about 2700ish

[round pendant]

So in trying to learn where noobies get their ideas from for prot war

I youtube'd prot war guides

so much bad advice

This guy straight up says use shield slam in st and tclap in aoe

Sure it's a beginner guide but man

content creators sniping our newbies with bad advice

[pallid quiver]

Gotta give out the misinformation so you can keep your place

[oblique garnet]

charge belong to F

[plush tendon]

no, flash is on F

[oblique garnet]

flash belong to D

Ill fight anyone who says otherwise

[plush tendon]

fucking sociopath

its not called Dlash, its Flash!

[oblique garnet]

F = fire

[plush tendon]

imagine running ignite

in 2024

[merry sluice]

Flash is on d

I agree

[lusty grotto]

[merry sluice]

I like my movement abilities in WoW being on thumb buttons, makes movement feel more natural since, because I said so.

[oblique garnet]

Dont have to run it to know that the only right place for flash is on D

Aight byebye

[merry sluice]

I bet he runs flash on F

[oblique garnet]

Bet hes broke on some shitcoin

[merry sluice]

I wish that’s a given

[plush tendon]

sorry, I was in a league game

with flash on f

like an normal person

[merry sluice]

If you’re dumb enough to run flash on f
You’re dumb enough to go broken on some shit coin that randomly got rug pulled after being hyped up by a shill YouTuber

[plush tendon]

Im too smart for digital coins

thats why all my money is in beenie babies

[merry sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/fergus-beanie-boo-celebrate-confetti-altomew-gif-17387801771743887937

[oblique garnet]

bet you lost

[plush tendon]

I said I was normal, not that I was good

[merry sluice]

Augusto the kind of person to walk into swain e and think He’s op

[plush tendon]

I just got my ass handed to me by a briar

[merry sluice]

That’s even worse

[plush tendon]

its ok

we go agane

[merry sluice]

Speaking of. Swain against a briar is the most hilarious shit

I miss release briar’s inting me under tower

[plush tendon]

my mental is storng

[merry sluice]

Strong

[plush tendon]

sorry, too busy missing CS to write

ah sweet; someone afked immeditatley and a free 34 LP in 3 min

[oblique garnet]

Ah but that would change should you actually use flash on D

[merry sluice]

👆

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/guldan-everything-hoodie-monster-orc-gif-17516569

dont tempt me warlock; I aint taking your unholy recommendation!

[merry sluice]

why not

the legion has cute demon girls

[plush tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-a-blood-thirsty-succubus-kyle-broflovski-stan-marsh-south-park-s3e3-gif-21682767

[oblique garnet]

Fastest way to improve

Trust me i used to be challenger

In EU so practically NALCS player 8)

[blazing condor]

Woke up to league chat

Day ruined

[south zealot]

f is flash d is for do literally anything except flash

[violet ginkgo]

F = Flash, D = Dash, there simple

[bleak breach]

yo yo guys

can i macro so i charge from distance and pummel close?

[frosty holly]

Wouldn't a simple

/cast Charge
/cast Pummel

Do that by default? Because you can't charge while in melee range

Just tried it. It works, issue would be you only get either Pummel Icon/CD or Charge. Depending on if you put Pummel or charge first.

Not a very big issue ofc. Just figured you should know

[dark sluice]

Could just have a pummel cd WA on the side so you know

[oblique garnet]

False

[bleak breach]

Thanks guys

[compact silo]

if i want disrupting shout should i drop the 1 point in bloodborne?

[lusty grotto]

have you seen the pinned builds?

we dont play bloodborne

bloodborne is only for top tier meme parsing

and for very select dungeons if anything

so to answer your question, we dont drop bloodborne for disrupting because we dont play it, if you have to drop something it has to be bloodsurge

[compact silo]

on the raid build from icyveins it has 1 point in bloodborne, but yeah i see m+ doesnt have it

[lusty grotto]

oh for raid

why do you need disrupting for raid?

[compact silo]

well i was asking for m+

[lusty grotto]

oh

well yea

[compact silo]

for raid i used it on VOTI razs when the sparks come

so for m+ drop bloodsurge for it

[lusty grotto]

dont use disrupting for that

just shockwave and fear

for m+ the build is very different

[compact silo]

i dont have shckwave or intimidating shout on my raid build

[lusty grotto]

you dont play sudden death

so... pick them

either or

just one is enough anyway

you cant expect to throw 3 different stops on a rasz

anyway all of this is gonna change in a day

[compact silo]

i picked tb and disrupting shout

in a day?

[lusty grotto]

why not pick the lowest dps gain

and swap it to fear

which is sidearm

yes because of prepatch

[compact silo]

isnt it in wednesday?

its sunday today

[lusty grotto]

im NA

[compact silo]

im EU

[lusty grotto]

well, 2 days

NA resets on tuesday

[compact silo]

and i have to farm 30% for saddle in rated arena

[lusty grotto]

anyway this is besides the point

swapping sidearm for fear is a much better option

than getting disrupting

[compact silo]

then its 2 days for you

[lusty grotto]

cause youre also taunting the boss

[compact silo]

and 3 for me

[lusty grotto]

yes i said that

[compact silo]

you said in a day

[lusty grotto]

ok back to what we were talking

#protection message

swap sidearm for fear on rasz

instead of picking disrupting

literally no reason to get disrupting

which might not be the best thing

either fear or stormbolt are fine for it

[dusky canopy]

You pretty much look at Raz and she dies

[lusty grotto]

not for everyone

i suppose

kinda late to be doing it though, im not sure why people are bothering at this point

[compact silo]

in a pug raid, where everyone cant swap 1 talent point for an extra cc, I have to clean up all the shit that everyone leaves

[lusty grotto]

no youd ont

thats not on you

thats on the raid team

[compact silo]

yeah well i dont see them doing anything

so ill take matters into my own hands

[lusty grotto]

youre not the raid's savior that has to handle all the trash left behind

nor are we, or anyone in this channel

its a team game, your team has to do shit

its not on one guy

[compact silo]

bro

have you played with pugs?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[compact silo]

then you know that talking and explaining mechanics to them doesnt work

[lusty grotto]

you wipe and go again

[compact silo]

id rather not thanks

[lusty grotto]

and/or leave and get a new group

then

do not drop bloodborne for a useless talent

because youre shooting yourself in the foot

drop sidearm for fear, thats it

[compact silo]

i dropped sidearm for tb

[lusty grotto]

whats tb

[compact silo]

thunder bolt

[lusty grotto]

stormbolt

[compact silo]

storm bolt*

[lusty grotto]

fear is kind of a better pick if youre concerned with covering others bases

since its aoe

[round pendant]

as someone who has like 60 pulls of raz in pugs

[compact silo]

DS has double the range

[round pendant]

you do not need to take extra kicks/stops

[lusty grotto]

storm bolt is single target

[round pendant]

beyond the aoe one

[lusty grotto]

hold on wait a minute

this guy was just preaching to me how he has to help other people

let me emphasize: he HAS to do mechanics for pugs

[round pendant]

omg don't take stormbolt!!!

[lusty grotto]

and now he picks the ST stop

instead of fear

i cant even

[round pendant]

take aoe fear, kick your orb, then aoe fear

[lusty grotto]

literally cant even

[round pendant]

assuming heroic

[round pendant]

I hate pugs as much as the next guy but yes, generally it does

The issue with pugs isn't that people don't learn, it's that they leave after 2 attempts and you have to spend 30 minutes refilling

[lusty grotto]

theres another issue with playing the game for pugs

they never learn to do the mech

unless youre carrying for gold that affects not just the person doing it and whoever they are with, but also future groups

[round pendant]

are bullions gone after reset? I need to buy the mount still

[lusty grotto]

no

[round pendant]

oh good

[lusty grotto]

they are bugged atm but there was a wowhead post that they will keep dropping

after a fix on reset