get some more bullions.... but I kind of got everything I really want
#protection
toxic pewter
good call gonna start lfr'ing on my alts
hazy bronze
š® and we can finally solo braindead SL raids now yea?
no legacy loot
drifting juniper
thanks but i'm not gearing, as i said i have all the trinkets in game at max ilvl exept for this one
violet ginkgo
wait if prepatch coming the bullion stop coming?
lusty grotto
thanks but i'm not gearing, as i said i have all the trinkets in game at max ilv...
sure? but it doesnt matter like augusto said
at this point anyway
round pendant
lmao Dratnos, Max and Growl shittalking this discord for suggesting dps trinkets over tank trinkets for raiding
lusty grotto
its not just this discord
all tank discords do the same
they do that all the time on poddyc anyway
its not a big deal
round pendant
I just found it funny
lusty grotto
its not the first time they talk about it
but context is important, and they are missing it
which is acceptable
because they are in a completely different level of content than the majority of people here, myself included
plush tendon
why would you need tank trinkets in raid?
I dont think they even ran traditional tank trinkets in the race to world first
hardy snow
they do
merry sluice
Having a tank thatās consistent over a tank thatās āgoodā and pumping dmg is ideal for those first week pushes and shit
Especially when virtually none knows what theyāre doing
lusty grotto
you will run ultra defensive
anything
in top 100, you will probably do so as well depending on gear level
merry sluice
And tank trinkets = more consistent, plus as Nim says, a bit of just running whatever they get
lusty grotto
context is important
people arent ilvl capped, survivability is important
its high level content
all of those together means that yes, you SHOULD go the safe route
100%
especially with a race
and with money on the line
we have a lot of time here to understand whether a hit was because you didnt have the required surv, or if you fucked up, they dont
their TCs are working overtime, and if something is negated completely by using ultra-defensive trinkets, then by all means
that's why context is everything
round pendant
They did defend DPS trinkets by saying after a while pumping damage is the only way to keep the role fun
That's why I'm not playing tank for pugging HC anymore, shit is so boring compared to m+
lusty grotto
makes sense
also after a while means after boss nerfs
and ilvl caps
so it really does not matter what you use
round pendant
Yeah I just found it funny because it's an accurate stereotype if that makes sense
but ofc context matters
They're very biased towards the highest level stuff BUT I do generally think they have reasonable takes on the average M+/AOTC player side of things
I like the poddyc overall
lusty grotto
i like it as well
waxen frigate
I dont think they even ran traditional tank trinkets in the race to world first
They often do
dusky canopy
Isnāt RWF usually when tanks need the extra defense
plush tendon
I mean looking back to just this expansion the only last boss where tank trinkets were used was Fyrakk; Rageheart for DK and Cheat for Pal
and that was combined with signet
lusty grotto
Isnāt RWF usually when tanks need the extra defense
pretty much
waxen frigate
I mean looking back to just this expansion the only last boss where tank trinket...
Itās also worth considering the different trinkets available each tier
plush tendon
there really isnt a boss this expansion where a tank's base toolkit wasnt enough
waxen frigate
Yeah but thatās not the point Iām making
Bosses also arenāt figured out at that point the same way they are for the rest of us
waxen frigate
They also donāt necessarily have bis gear even with splits
lusty grotto
plush tendon
what tank trinket exists that would even be helpful
plush tendon
the only two I can think of wouldve been rageheart and cheat, but both were season 3 only
waxen frigate
Yes which is exactly what I said
plush tendon
so for S1 and S2... .what ya using?
waxen frigate
plush tendon
after the race no?
lusty grotto
yeah
that topic was just seen through the current season honestly
context, once again
pallid quiver
i was about to screech incomprehensibly when I saw at a glance TWW stuff starts July 23rd, but then it was just pre-patch and that gives me time to play a different game that pops out on the 23rd
pallid quiver
all the games I'm waiting for start coming out
on july 23rd and after
That's been my suffering in immediate timeframe
violet ginkgo
just play other games now
Sadly MH Wild still next year 
pallid quiver
it wouldn't be an issue in the current timeframe if Evo's entrance cost wasn't $7,000,000 or whatever this year
because then i could be prepping for evo
jagged pier
pallid quiver
jakey hates the fighting games
jagged pier
i dont hate them
pallid quiver
he's willing to side with the ultrasmurfs over fighting gamers smh
jagged pier
they just aint my jam
pallid quiver
But yeah, a non-zero amount of my issue stems from Sony deciding that entry fees for their new PREMIUM event should be like,
I think it was like $250 before even registering for a tournament
and i just went, "Y'know, I could probably make it to two other tournaments for that cost, I'm out"
jagged pier
brah ive been waiting for space marine 2 since the first one came out
pallid quiver
I never had a major interest in that specific 40k series of games
jagged pier
been playing the table top and their games on and off since i was in single digits of age
pallid quiver
Dawn of War was neat, and if I had more time I wanted to dedicate to it, 40k and kill team all seem neat
lusty grotto
well i guess warhammer online isnt 40k
pallid quiver
Oh, also, we can't forget Fire Warrior. 10/10 40k game
lusty grotto
and vermintide either
pallid quiver
Fire Warrior is Q U A L I T Y
lusty grotto
darktide is 40k at least
pallid quiver
Well, Jakey hates the xeno scum
jagged pier
darktide is 40k at least
ya but space marine gunna be a better darktide
pallid quiver
And also, most people would not consider Fire Warrior a good game
lusty grotto
i dont doubt it
jagged pier
OG
lusty grotto
plush tendon
such a good game
especially the armor customizer; I got to try out color schemes before I painted my Space Marine models
plush path
is elemental lariat better then bromach
lusty grotto
no
plush path
ty pookie
bleak breach
tribal wharf
not as random as you think people were talking about warhammer
thats my only real experience with the series
i never tried space marines, might like to
round pendant
fortified week fucking sucks
pallid quiver
Don't worry, every week is gonna be fortified week soon!
tribal wharf
if everything is on sale nothing is on sale is my response to that
but, you'd have haters no matter which of the 2 ways its been done or been talked about or some 3rd dumb option that completely yeets fort/tyra
jagged gust
Slay the Spire act 20 difficulty, instead of one final boss, you have to fight 2 in a row
round pendant
Don't worry, every week is gonna be fortified week soon!
Yeah I know, I'm not looking forward to it
Hopefully they'll tone down the amount of kicks that just wipe you
NO is fucking miserable on fort
I missed one single bird kick cause I got briefly distracted by another mechanic
No one else bothered to kick it
pallid quiver
Hopefully they'll tone down the amount of kicks that just wipe you
bad news, boss
round pendant
Everyone died
pallid quiver
All signs are pointing to them downgrading to a fuck tone of kicks that just wipe you
did i say downgrade i meant upgrade
round pendant
Nice
pallid quiver
and that's if you're given the ability to stop the cast at all
Though granted, I wager the instant cast ones are planned to be tuned around
but you never know
round pendant
Another +10 NO failed though this week
Truly remarkable
Rogue was bitching about my tanking (wasn't letting him stealth in-between pulls, and he walked in front of a frontal and blamed me)
200k dps and like 5 kicks
This is what I get for joining other peoples key but I've already done my key!!!
round pendant
I just joined a +2 on my alt cause I wanted to do some ret paladin-ing and it already had a healer and a tank
the tank pulled everything and died twice and then everyone left
languid sorrel
Hi all I am trying to push keys from 2s up to 5s and beyond but finding pace is causing us to brick on timer. Can anyone recommend any vids to watch or guides on getting this right?
round pendant
I'm not even sure how you could brick on time in 2s unless your DPS players are literally asleep at the wheel?
languid sorrel
I'm not even sure how you could brick on time in 2s unless your DPS players are ...
Lol not on the 2s. I am finding up in the 5 range it's happening. Thought maybe I need to pull amd move faster
languid sorrel
No. Just want to make sure I am doing / learning as best I can
round pendant
If you're not accidentally pulling packs you shouldn't be and people aren't constantly dying (or doing zero damage) the timer shouldn't even be relevant in +5s
round pendant
No. Just want to make sure I am doing / learning as best I can
Check out the routes on keystone.guru (The "Weekly" ones), if you're following those your route is not the problem until at least after 10s
languid sorrel
Thx one other question anyone know how a good weak aura which includes a /say for frontal. I currently use quazzi package but often can't hear or see the warning
merry sluice
Slay the Spire act 20 difficulty, instead of one final boss, you have to fight 2...
ez
it was hell
idr the exact build i had but some some ridiculous darkness orb bullshit
long chasm
Lol not on the 2s. I am finding up in the 5 range it's happening. Thought maybe...
Run some keys as dps and pay attention to what the tank does for pacing and packs they pull. If it worked out well then just try to replicate that route
spark verge
Hi guys. I have a big struggle with 2 mobs in nelthrus . One the first big pull. Both of them are using blazing slash wich is deadly for me, on bolstering its even harder to survive. IT strikes me for 5 mln.
ionic fern
Spell Block.
lusty grotto
use spell block
spark verge
I can spell reflect IT ?
lusty grotto
no
but spell reflect puts a magic damage reduction on you
that lasts its duration
in case you havent read the tooltip
either way spell block should be enough
sonic terrace
on nelth chain boss can u bait the dot "dragon strike"
lusty grotto
it goes on the farthest player, so yes
sonic terrace
i take it before cast?
sonic terrace
oh. damn ok
crystal iris
I mean its pretty nice, haste vers avoidance
crystal iris
Seal of Diurna is high vers anyway
lusty grotto
we dont pick seal because of the stats
lusty grotto
no
crystal iris
but i guess not worth talking about since it is a thing
lusty grotto
arms uses the same rings we do
shut summit
~~but it never goes on the tank~~
you can leap out and get it with everyone alive
lusty grotto
really
shut summit
don't really matter anymore since 1 week left but ye
lusty grotto
well it also requires people to be close, pugs are not keen on that for the most part
or at least closer than leap range
shut summit
ye can take intervene if you feel like wasting a talent point too
lusty grotto
oh. damn ok
read above, it can go on tank
i guess i got too used to melds/feigns/vanishes
for the bleeds, not the jump
lusty grotto
i already knew it was distance based
but i had assumed it never went on tank
for 2 straight seasons
plush tendon
merry sluice
Well
Unless you were intentionally trying to bait it to begin with. You probably were doing something wrong if it went on you (as tank) soā¦ understandable I suppose
lusty grotto
also the fact that most pugs didnt even wipe to the bleed
merry sluice
Dunno why youād be the furthest player away on accident lol
merry sluice
Doesnt zooming away form chsrgath too fast make it harder to break chains.
plush tendon
at higher keys, the bleed hurt a lot
lusty grotto
you have time to set up after strike
merry sluice
Also can dragon strike come out during chains?
lusty grotto
at higher keys everyone is Nelf or Dwarf
no
dragon strike cannot come out during chains
chargath does a leap to the tank during it, but its not dragon strike
plush tendon
we had to pug our 3rd dps and healer, and not everyone is dwarf or nelf
lusty grotto
i thgouth you said you didnt do past 10
plush tendon
so jumping back and forth made it idiot proof
waxen frigate
dragon strike cannot come out during chains
It can if the boss bugs out
plush tendon
i thgouth you said you didnt do past 10
I did some 17s
and a couple of 18s
but the last month its been like 8s
the late title push just wasnt a thing with the holidays and summer š¦
and..... touching grass
merry sluice
It can if the boss bugs out
Part of me would say to ignore bugs when talking about that
The tiene part realized neltharus is a bug ridden abomination of a dungeon that should have been old yellered 2 seasons ago and never seen again
plush tendon
Nelth is prob my least favorite of the DF dungeons
plush tendon
My fav are Halls of Infusion and Azure Vault
I also kind of like Uldaman up to the 4th boss
lusty grotto
timer is tight, its a challenging dungeon
the only bad thing about it are fucking hunters
which are seriously overtuned in comparison with the rest of the trash
plush tendon
NO is way too long and the trash is stupid in that dungeon
RLP kind of boring
Bracken aint terrible if you can get out of the first area clean
lusty grotto
you mean, if you have an SP
plush tendon
yea... gotta have the priest
lusty grotto
or any priest
lusty grotto
they cant
plush tendon
idk, I never see them
plush tendon
they cant
thats actually lame AF
they the sneaky class... its a mechanic made for them!
lusty grotto
yeah well blame fade + soothe
lusty grotto
i agree
plush tendon
oh and AA was a good time
plush tendon
especially when I learned how to snap the tree area onto the storm miniboss
that was siq
waxen frigate
Vexamus and last boss kinda lame but the rest was banger
tribal wharf
was always the tree and the final boss (due to trash) that screwed my groups in AA
mellow bridge
@shut summit great Tettles Video, I need more 
frosty holly
mellow bridge
that one is insane
lusty grotto
ahahaha
tribal wharf
had to open it on youtube to enable closed captions so i understand all the words hes sayin lol
closed captions over powered
waxen frigate
for anyone interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-869czd00S8
Thereās genuinely not a person I could think of that better represents boomkin
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
y'know i dunno if i deleted all of my shadowlands footage
but my fucking god if that footage still exists.... i did some big war crimes on LFR whatever the last raid was
even was playing mage and something else lil bit those days
jagged pier
for anyone interested https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-869czd00S8
Reminds me of the kungen one
waxen frigate
but my fucking god if that footage still exists.... i did some big war crimes on...
Last time I committed LFR crimes I got a vacation during dathea prog
tribal wharf
like, i would just fall in the hole for no reason
or do some mechanic completely wrong
hole being the uhhh whatever his name was final boss shadowlands
big cosmic mace dude
jagged gust
Those holes were a fucking LFR menace
Guaranteed to lose at least a quarter of the raid each kill
tribal wharf
between "idk wtf an LOS bomb check is" and "im not looking where im walking/positioned+faced", ya lol
the guy who doesnt know what a los bomb check is made me think of some idksterling video about that that doesnt exist "this man is already dead, he just doesnt know it yet"
grim pilot
@south zealot
last forti key
so I went
full pad shit
bh
dont ask me for my breakdown
south zealot
ok now get 600k
grim pilot
could
monk buff, wft
- if I got pi
my brand did pretty piss tho
4% overall
and I didnt lose it even once
south zealot
how much dps
limpid tide
my brand did pretty piss tho
Did you run dreadplate ?
grim pilot
Totem+brand
limpid tide
Totem+brand
my dreadplate is always doing like 6% of my overall and my totem is always doing way less than that. I'm sure you tried the other way around. What pushed you to totem?
south zealot
my dreadplate is always doing like 6% of my overall and my totem is always doing...
all totem gives haste and armor buffs which are hidden on meters
hidden as in not shown in overall
limpid tide
oh this I did not know š®
strong forum
Dreadplates does ~20k dps in keys
So it woulda done like 3% for myrt there, that's why arguing in %dmg is whack
Total dps is a good metric, not %
So yeah 25k dps for brand is expected value
Totem can do 20-25k aswell + whatever the buffs will give you ontop of that
lusty grotto
jagged pier
always has been
round pendant
but how
round pendant
% wise it does the same as mine, I just do less dps š¤
what dungeons were those?
and what level
round pendant
I should learn to pull big
strong forum
Haven't done keys in like 3 or 4 weeks
That's all the AAs I tanked this season
1 of these things is not like the others
1 of these things does not belong
round pendant
I actually don't understand how you do that much damage
Unless you're just getting god teams in +9s
like what
My teams would just go splat because I'm not a vdh and everyone's seemingly forgotten how to kick and CC things this season
if I pulled big enough to do that dps through an entire key
strong forum
Big dps doesn't just come from pulling big
It comes from pressing the correct buttons first and foremost
And in the +9s I don't play around my group cuz no point
I play around myself
That's from a +9 for example
round pendant
I was pretty sure I was pressing the correct buttons
strong forum
Alot of people assume that yea
round pendant
granted you're 15 ilvls higher than I was in my last AA (I've only done up to a +8 AA so far which is weird because it's my favourite dungeon this expansion)
strong forum
Steel is just heavier than feathers idk man
Nah but if you can give me a log I can give you some pointers
round pendant
I think I am simply not pressing shield slam enough somehow
removed
also I remember thinking in that key I wasn't pressing my trinkets often enough
round pendant
how tf do you press shield slam so much
jagged pier
because u do
strong forum
strong forum
uhuh
jagged pier
'sure'
strong forum
jagged pier
round pendant
There's like a few instances where I use a CC or something instead
but to account for that much less?
strong forum
https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv
the 6 seconds of not a single GCD pressed is what gets me
round pendant
is that asmongold
strong forum
overwhelming majority of players are
round pendant
still, dunno why your dreadplates did 20m more damage than mine for only 3 more casts
jagged pier
people
still
struggle
with
the
mage
tower
round pendant
So is my main issue the lack of shield slams?
hardy snow
the 2nd one, youd rather not wanna know
jagged pier
no
strong forum
lemme see
this is my dmg breakdown from brackenhide 14
this is yours
throughout my 31minute BH ive gotten 49 avatars off
you had 45 in your 30min BH
me vs you
66 vs 59 demo shouts
30 vs 26 dragon roars
20 vs 18 ravagers
562 vs 396 shield slams
round pendant
It genuinely doesn't feel like I sit on anything, but clearly I'm sitting on shield slam
echo egret
So is my main issue the lack of shield slams?
I created a small weak aura that does a small sound every time Shield Slam is available in combat. It annoys my wife in the same room, but it helped me raise my Shield Slam count.
round pendant
I feel like the between-packs and start of packs I'm doing something wrong
hardy snow
I feel like the between-packs and start of packs I'm doing something wrong
perhaps you overuse rage on IP, so you dont have it on revenge for more shield slam resets?
strong forum
round pendant
perhaps you overuse rage on IP, so you dont have it on revenge for more shield s...
probably
strong forum
theres just alot more happening on my end of the screen
youve went here a full 5 seconds without sending shield slam
strong forum
jagged pier
only holds if he cc's or somthing
strong forum
another 7 seconds
youre overprioritising revenge and thunderclap
when you should be weaving those buttons between shield slams
and not weave shield slams between revenge/tcs
if you understand what im getting at
round pendant
yeah I get it
I'm just not sure how I manage to go 7 seconds without a shield slam
ever
strong forum
round pendant
like sometimes I press thunderclap/revenge by mistake a split second before shield slam comes off cooldown
but that's not 7 seconds of not pressing it
round pendant
yeah
strong forum
you can see it here on mine
its a nice step ladder
ss-> ss->
tc -> tc->
revenge-> revenge->
thats how it should look like
round pendant
what if I just didn't get any resets tho
strong forum
treat revenge as your SS reset tool
and not as anything else
(unless you desperately need threat on all targets around you and you dont have any CDs or aoe taunt available)
but that shouldnt rly occur
round pendant
That happens sometimes, especially on bracken with the lasher spawns from the oaks
but idk why I care about the lasher aggro
strong forum
lashers do be lashing
round pendant
people should just walk over me
strong forum
they reset threat a handful of GCDs in
they spawn, you can damage them, but dont active until 1 or 2 seconds later
round pendant
that's where I remember most of my shield slam fumbling happening
strong forum
and they only get their threat table when they activate
round pendant
yeah I hate that shit
But yeah my CPM is similar-ish to yours when active, I'm just pressing the wrong shit like 30% of the time apparently
ouch
I'm gonna try Anvil in my next keys instead of grieftorch too
strong forum
its all a snowball effect
a small mistake
can turn into a large one over time
1 big mistake that youre doing aswell
is sending outburst seemingly at random
left is you, right is me
i sent 109 outbursts on shieldslam and only 13 on thunderclap
round pendant
yeah my outburst is awful ngl
strong forum
you sent 54 on TC and 61 on on SS
but you can see that with only 40 shieldslams more
i did more than twice your SS damage
and with only 25% of your TC outbursts, i did 40% of the damage
now obv this comes down to gear a tad bit
round pendant
I really wish outburst TC made more sense on aoe packs
round pendant
oh that's sick
strong forum
outburst min-maxing will be alot less relevant as mountain thane
or well
you will prioritise thunderblast outbursts on already 2 targets, thunderclap on 4
whereas currently for thunderclap its only good on 7+ targets
thats quite the shift
round pendant
but ye, first thing I noticed was your shield slam casts compared to mine
also I think jawor is right in that I'm pressing IP when I should be pressing revenge
to reset SS
strong forum
by not paying attention to your CDs and resource situation
you end up with this ye?
6 seconds of NOTHING
cuz rage got sent into IP and SB
instead of revenge and SB
also sitting on avatar
hurts
round pendant
I wouldn't say I'm that bad lmao
I notice sometimes I fuck myself and spend too much rage though
jagged pier
round pendant
well not saying the player is bad, just saying I wouldn't leave avatar for that long
unless the mobs are about to die ig
There's nothing worse than pressing IP, having revenge go grey and then having to wait for ss/tclap to come off cd
strong forum
round pendant
I really slacked off the last few seasons though
think I was better than this in s1
nope
nevermind
I sucked in s1 too
Oh well, I'll try to improve on everything you mentioned
round pendant
I created a small weak aura that does a small sound every time Shield Slam is av...
I should just simply see it's up and press it though lmao
hardy snow
https://imgur.com/5fLVSJv
ok, now you must tell me who was this? š
hardy snow
jagged gust
Has yogi vibes
round pendant
Yogi doesn't get title
round pendant
I'm gonna hop on wow today and hard focus pressing shield slam more and probably get like 10k more dps
and then cry
because season's over
round pendant
I've only been playing the last 3-4 weeks to get AOTC and 2500
jagged pier
F
round pendant
but point is prot war is gonna change and I'll never have lived up to my full potential in dragonflight
jagged gust
Your homework is 600k overall DPS by the end of the week.
errant leaf
ok, now you must tell me who was this? š
nextback
steel mist
yo ppl, which race do you prefer playing dark iron dwarf or vulpera?
jagged pier
dwarf
round pendant
This is when I just found out dark iron dwarves get the bleed removal too
jagged pier
they do
they get strength instead of DR too
but they dont get passive crit
so they actually end up being slightly less tanky and do slightly less damage
than regular dwarf
tribal wharf
regular dwarf also just armor, not strength, so only slight reduction melee
jagged pier
its not armour
its 10% physical damage
slight difference
and makes it slightly better than just armour
tribal wharf
right, im thinking of when i was dwarf paladin in 2004, but physical only reduction is what i was trying to get at
doesnt even cover magical damage. or grant extra damage, like strength would
jagged pier
i mean it does because it removes alot of magical debuffs
jagged gust
I can't stand the furry classes, I made a pandarian monk for remix and it's downright unsettling to look at
tribal wharf
the only furry race i can play is tauren, which i do
because, warrior, strength, big cow monster thing probably strong, very iconic evil cartoon villian soldier thing, bull in china shop
hes literally me (in world of warcraft)
jagged gust
Also picking vulpera was also like an instant 5k DPS loss last season, no bueno
tribal wharf
it just don't look right when you got a gnome or vulpera whos your tank imo lol
hrmmmm
stiff wagon
Is there any noticeable difference when you got all your gear to 528? I'm currently at 526 ilvl.
I'm asking because I'm kind of like meh on filling out my weekly vaults haha
jagged pier
not really
and i dont know why u would still be filling vaults at the end of a season
stiff wagon
I thought it would matter to get every piece of gear 528 or higher
But I had a feeling it wouldn't matter. It'd be neglible.
stiff wagon
I would definitely put myself in the everyone else category lol
I don't even have the motivation to get the last portal for my toon which is finish Nelt +10.
Anywho, thanks @jagged pier . Instead I will continue farming out my speed set š
round pendant
so they actually end up being slightly less tanky and do slightly less damage
Regular Dwarf is superior anyway
I need to level my one and switch to it for TWW
round pendant
I don't even have the motivation to get the last portal for my toon which is fin...
Nelth sucks ass so I don't blame ya
honestly, second worst dungeon of the expansion behind NO
jagged gust
Nelth was my 2nd fav behind NL
But less fun with all the chain shenanigans nerfed to all heck
Magmaphant or w/e it's name is can diaf tho
round pendant
AA > BH > Uldaman > AV > HoI > RLP > Nelth > NO
that's my opinion
oops I put rlp twice
I only like uldaman cause it's relatively engaging as a tank, feels a bit long though
plush tendon
Regular Dwarf is superior anyway
Dark Iron does have 4% move speed indoors
which I think counts for dungeons
stiff wagon
Nelth sucks ass so I don't blame ya
I just hate the 2nd boss. Otherwise the rest of Nelth is fine.
stiff wagon
Ulda is long but enjoyable because its engaging.
plush tendon
every boss you can pull trash onto
round pendant
it's not even like it's long time-wise tho, it just FEELS long
plush tendon
First boss could just be removed too
its a easy fight, but considering the next 3 are pretty challenging I think its fine
round pendant
at the third boss you're ready for it to be over
round pendant
its a easy fight, but considering the next 3 are pretty challenging I think its ...
yeah but it serves no purpose other than filler
and it has a random annoying boat ride
just a wack fight imo
plush tendon
eh, I dont think theres anything wrong with a simple fight thats a fun 3 target cleave
it was also a fight from the OG ulda
round pendant
I mean I could take it or leave it is all I'm saying
valid edge
so m+ seasons end next week? o.O
round pendant
rankings locked I think
plush tendon
they lock next week
waiting for the blue post, but I think you can still earn weekly boxes and do dungeons?
IDK
valid edge
mhm
round pendant
can I still get the 2500 achieve? still yet to do that cause I slacked on tyr week
gonna get that this week tho so it's fine
round pendant
god I wish I could convince my friend to get a proper UI
round pendant
Man has like 150% UI scale on a 1080p monitor
player and target frame are at top left
healbot (yes) on right side
default nameplates
tribal wharf
1080p is "a pretty good picture" when shown to average boomer type
they can tell that 4k looks better but at that point they have no idea what 4k really even means or 1080p
i dunno, i think 1080p is extremely standard for the world, like thats the baseline is 1080 30
round pendant
I'm not criticising his resolution
plush tendon
1080 is fine; but I think its more about the UI scale
round pendant
God please blizzard remove PvP and pet battle weeks from the rotation in TWW please
plush tendon
they'd prob have a easier time if they just took a 3rd dps
crystal iris
ya lower keys like that there is always a DPS lagging behind
or dying to simple mechanics
frosty holly
The fact one would want ANY special class for 8 is laughable really. Could have 1 guy dead the whole key it will 99% of the time still be timed. Heck even 2 chested
round pendant
Does anyone else mald when your cotank just 24/7 turns raz 90 degrees to the right so her wing covers the entire raid
cerulean tusk
Other than disrupting shout being nerfed, for some weird ass reason, I cant say we dont come out as winners here. If focus is forcing more damage to come from autos and physical damage, we are kings at that.
this tho, makes me really really sad
chilly brook
Itās just stupid
crystal iris
bruuuuh really disrupting shout nerf?
why do they hate us
is was BARELY good to begin with
chilly brook
Tanks are in one of the best spots theyāve ever been because they have so much agency
cerulean tusk
We come out as winners here, overall. Dont worry.
chilly brook
I mean Iām not talking about this from a prot specific mentality
This is just an L move for the tank role in general
cerulean tusk
Fair, as a BDK I am dooming 
crystal iris
they think that by removing tank utility that the rest of the group will contribute more, but it just means were gonna sit there eating more casts and mechanics
slow harness
How will it work now for bdk? Just less healing, not quite understandable kekw
frosty holly
Guardian, Brew still in a good spot after this.
BDK feels like they will go back to the days where healers had to hold their hand
cerulean tusk
How will it work now for bdk? Just less healing, not quite understandable kekw
you gone from functional immortal as long you go 100 to 1%, to no longer bouncing that effect - so, the case of "you want to take as much damage as you can, to push your survival to the max" is no longer the case.
You basically dont stack up the healing with damage taken in the period
slow harness
you gone from functional immortal as long you go 100 to 1%, to no longer bouncin...
But you still oneshot vulnerable?
slow harness
Sounds like bdk deadge
frosty holly
Ye that change was so odd xD
slow harness
Honestly gg blizz
They were weakest tanks in terms of survivability and deserve buff
chilly brook
They were weakest tanks in terms of survivability and deserve buff
The stated goals of all these changes just seem like they benefit Brewmaster design the most
cerulean tusk
Warr and Brew, for sure. Warr is a bigger winner than brew, in all but magic damage. If it comes to tankbusters, warrior is even stronger with SW CD red buffed.
chilly brook
Of all the things to nerfā¦..
cerulean tusk
Ye, one of those weird things that dont matter really
guess our DPS was too strong
As long they push that melee attacks hit harder, we are basically damage DR capped by default, once we equip a decent ilvl shield. So hey.
chilly brook
Ye, one of those weird things that dont matter really
I mean it matters
just not directly to what they're attempting to do
cerulean tusk
Perspective matters
2% haste, ye, I am not to miffed. It is one of those things you wont notice before they really stack up on top of eachother
Will play BDK and test it out, warrior I know is just fine and basically the same. So that is whatever.
frosty holly
Ye that alone is worse than anything that hit prot war
cerulean tusk
combined
tribal wharf
The missile knows where it is at all times, it knows this because it knows where the missile isn't
(plz no make me explain this joke)
cerulean tusk
plz explain this joke
tribal wharf
nope
cerulean tusk
ADMINS!
tribal wharf
rocks for brains havers too bad
this is one mystery you can clap the rocks together get a spark, start a fire,
chilly brook
combined
it's ok though they increased your armor gained from bone shield to compensate! 
cerulean tusk
stoic pilot
how much of a functional cdr is this for the shield slam talent on shield wall?
iām still new to this class so i donāt even know how much it actually contributed overall vs anger management
tribal wharf
meh... REGARDLESS of what game it is, any game type at all, even like card games or tower defense, haste if you can get that stat is ALWAYS over powered.
strong forum
the shortes SW cd i got on beta
was ~40 seconds
before this buff
so maybe its now 39 seconds CD at peak
tribal wharf
and its pretty much universal haste type effect good or bis
strong forum
but on average, SW CD will remain 50 seconds for good players
tribal wharf
so im not miffed to lose 2% haste
chilly brook
meh... REGARDLESS of what game it is, any game type at all, even like card games...
Not even true
light vale
i love how they buffed disrupting shout to a 75s cd and they reverted it back half a season later lmao
chilly brook
FFXIV haste is actively bad outside of a couple classes that want it specifically to achieve a certain GCD
It's more of a preference stat to get to where you feel the class plays best
For instance, the percentage health that Frenzied Regeneration restores has been reduced by about a third, but the amount of health it restores has remained the same.
I love this statement
So you just made it worse
prisma dust
i love how they buffed disrupting shout to a 75s cd and they reverted it back ha...
this makes me sad š¦
but it might not be relevant anymore cause the spells are instant casts right?
and they go back to casting if they're stunned/interrupted anyways?
cerulean tusk
It is a DTPS vs HPS question tho, if it healed 30k HPS and enemy did 30k DTPS, then after the change HP% max up, so still 30K vs 30K, then it is the same
But ye, if HP% max dont go up, then it is a loss. Idea is that HPmax up, so effective HPS vs DTPS is the same; and I presume they are looking at it from a DF to TWW perspective. Not beta build to beta build.
light vale
and they go back to casting if they're stunned/interrupted anyways?
if everythings back to instant casts yes your just going to go bloodsurge/thunderlord especially with how mountain thanes talents work.
chilly brook
DK definitely seems like doomer changes
like Blizz doesn't even understand how the spec works
light vale
i dont blizz understands how healers work in m+ if were going to be honest
cerulean tusk
They are addressing the "I dont like BDK! I keep dying" crowd
who dont get the more dam you took
the more tanky you were
median tulip
So am I reading this right, that Blizz have nerfed Defensive Stance, which I barely used anyway, and given us more Shield Wall CDR?
cerulean tusk
Basically it
median tulip
Win
cerulean tusk
Yarp, other tanks other than monk hammered too, so overall W changes for us
Sadly, this might make us good with low to no gear again, and so...
3 weeks of "Nerf warr nerf warr!"
3rd week, paladin has overtaken us with gear
4th week, we get hammered to DF levels
light vale
realisticly its going to be brew at this rate
cerulean tusk
Nah, early on we are the only one that got extremely good DR with low gear. Monk still needs HP and healers to bounce within
We just need a decent shield, and we are basically set.
light vale
im saying after the inital 2-3 weeks
stoic pilot
but on average, SW CD will remain 50 seconds for good players
appreciate the info
median tulip
How long do you reckon it's going to be before the healers start complaining about having to heal the tanks again?
light vale
i dont see a world in where brew isnt going to be the strongest tank in s1 with gear at this rate
stoic pilot
i mean who knows, they do changes like this on a whim a month and some change before expansion
just as likely to wake up to brew being gutted
light vale
fair enoughā¢
cerulean tusk
Raid tank? Probably. Not sold on that Prot Pally or VDH wont just rule with their kits. But hey, maybe Gdruid gets a big dam push and becomes best again.
Who knows
I am just pretty sure BDK got nailed to the ground, but I havent tested it yet. But my doomer spirit has come out again
stoic pilot
when the bdk rework was them just reworking it into the ground
tribal wharf
Not even true
bro, every game i ever played, any thing that allows, bullet to travel faster, fire more bullets a second, less delay , less reload time, walk speed
cerulean tusk
I dont want BDK reworked, it was fun as is, with unique gameplay.
tribal wharf
i have ALWAYS found those effects can be hit or miss but when they hit, they strike gold
stoic pilot
the sad thing is rn at least for raid bdk was usually just perpetually in a state of being immortal in raid but the way the class is designed for m+ you needed some sort of stop gap for melees like DRW perma uptime to be relevant in keys, it kinda does need a rework
tribal wharf
when the bdk rework was them just reworking it into the ground <:sadge:820202363...
i swear its always been this way, nerfing the shit out of BDK till the end of time
stoic pilot
idk how they retain dks unique reactive ranking style though while making it relative to others in higher end content
i visibly aged trying to get title on my dk this season
stoic pilot
i swear its always been this way, nerfing the shit out of BDK till the end of ti...
yeah pretty much lmao
tribal wharf
BFA bdk was a monster tank for a while
had some friend that played it and convinced him bdk czu he was uhdk pvp
stoic pilot
yeah, back when armor value for them was overtuned and bonestorm was a 1min divine shield
the good ol days
mystic radish
Is there any open feedback thread to let prot warrior have a shield and a 2h weapon? ^^ gotta need to +1 that
tribal wharf
it was INSANE how much damage and "live lord just solo the boss bro" dude could do
liwell dmg i duno but like the deathstrikes
always hated he could just deathstrike and hgeal
wooden spruce
hey! just came here, read everything but wanted to ask, general consensus for the changes to us?
pallid quiver
Feels bad, but we're not actually hit too bad; you'll notice indom hit
Nerf overall, but it could have been worse
raw parcel
Just saw the tuning changes o.o Most of them don't bug me, but looks like indomitable got shanked
waxen frigate
Nerf overall, but it could have been worse
Barely a nerf honestly given the shield wall change
raw parcel
How bad is it for other tank specs? I don't know enough about them to really compare
tribal wharf
im fairly certain that is spikey, might be wrong but im checking out the article now
round pendant
Australian tanks 
tribal wharf
damnit i tried to be smart,
the fucking what, 60% stamina? wtf
umm... when...
wait, so is this gunna be like, starting stamina character sheet, or armor, or buffs i wonder
violet ginkgo
woot our HP pool will be big but... will the healing from healer also scaled well?
strong forum
in the most recent notes
is alot of healer buffs
ngl TWW might be my healer arc
rsham and prevoker are very fun
tribal wharf
i already healed as paladin in orginal 2004 wow
against my will mostly, out of nessecity. but sure
never again, probably
raw parcel
For those who know what's up better than me, just boil the changes down for me: good for prot war, or bad?
Overall
south zealot
its fine nothing changes how you play
median tulip
For those who know what's up better than me, just boil the changes down for me: ...
Defensive Stance is even more useless but you can have Shield Wall every 40ish seconds
round pendant
Yo anyone got advice for first boss of RLP?
shit slaps with those shards on tyr
just rotate shield wall and spell block?
strong forum
open with spellblock
it will carry your defensives for a good while
when chillstorm is up, hold spell reflect for when chillstorm is about to pop
to not get double tapped by both a frostbolt + chillstorm explosion
otherwise rotate defensives
round pendant
My damage was worse from trying to shield slam more
D:
I did successfully shield slam more tho
round pendant
also didn't big pull and RLP is small packs (I really want the rio so I'm playing slow lmao)
strong forum
My damage was worse from trying to shield slam more
round pendant
lmao
it's prob from the mental stack of focusing on it
idk how I didn't notice how many I was missing though
strong forum
cerulean tusk
if you press SS, you cant press WW, you are not hitting the mobs around you!
pallid quiver
just press more bladestorm, ez
round pendant
lmao I forgot to go bromach first
and the mage just fucking left
love it
as if we wouldn't have timed it regardless
pallid quiver
I love that
Doesn't matter what week, what lust plans, anything
If you don't go Bro first in a pug, there's like a 75% chance the key just dies from leavers
the lower the key level, the higher the chance
round pendant
even tho chances are with pug dps it'll take longer than 10 mins to go from 2nd to 4th boss anyway
not like we're some elite fucking team
jesus
pallid quiver
To be fair, you said mage, and iirc mages still have double lust, so he probably left since you were delaying his crack abuse
cerulean tusk
Just pop hero on dwarves if you go em first, what is the issue?
pallid quiver
Just pop hero on dwarves if you go em first, what is the issue?
bromach hard, no lust bromach, no time key, tank stupee
cerulean tusk
Well, you lose the dam amp% ontop of heroism, but does it matter really, really?
round pendant
I can guarantee you if we failed that key it wasn't because we didn't lust a certain boss
we killed the dwarves without the mage cause he afk'd til after to leave
while bitching in chat
what a fucking loser lmao
it was only a +9 btw
god I fuckin hate the crocs tho
waxen frigate
and the mage just fucking left
Do TGP route or impossible to time!!
frosty holly
It's because I'm stealing all the kicks
blazing condor
people don't fuckin kick this season
š« never have
tribal wharf
back in my day
we didnt even know they were casting something
unless we watched their hands
round pendant
First boss of AV, people didn't kill the slimes before the next frontal
two choices
A. Die
B. Kill someone else (probably the healer)
round pendant
Wrong
Correct answer is C: guy who died 20 seconds into the fight leaves the party
round pendant
both mine and my friends keys got downgraded to being useless for io
sadge
Oh well, some times you just get giga unlucky teams I guess
pug life
frosty holly
There really needs to be a penalty if you leave mid key
round pendant
Yeah you should get like a
Dungeon time limit - time spent in key
ban from the group finding
so if you leave at like 15 minutes in a 32 minute dungeon you get a 17 minute ban
frosty holly
They have it in HC que dungeon still no? How hard would it be to implement that in some way. Like lock the Group finder.
round pendant
should only apply to +2-10s though
frosty holly
Could apply for higher also. Just make it a group vote. If vote pass. Free to leave. Then again for super high keys a wipe is pretty much = it's over
round pendant
Every season this happens, I have a few brutal tyr keys that completely destroy my will to play
my fault for playing so late in the season this time tho
valid oracle
new to warrior, does intervene do anything for the earthen shards on talondras in uldaman?
lusty grotto
no
intervene does nothing for bleeds
just for some physical hits
it wasnt worth playing past Fenryr S1
at most you can use it on BH fixates but those should be stopped
its a dead talent, for the most part, very little niche use
valid oracle
damn alright thanks
round pendant
why does nomes dreadplates do so much more damage than mine
is it literally cause he pulls bigger?
urban portal
Probably
round pendant
god I forgot you had to stun the 3rd boss in uldaman after removing stacks
but no one else did it either
stuck berry
round pendant
I have no idea how people do that in high keys on tyr
but I don't really know the correct strats ig
nor did my puggers
wraith stirrup
violet ginkgo
the final boss in uldaman on tyr is brutal
Uldaman is just suck on whatever week either forti or tyr, a bad dungeon design.
violet ginkgo
at least I never saw people eagerly doing Uldaman, they might do it because maybe want to push rating, but I doubt they will just do it out of nowhere.
lucid nimbus
I like uldaman š
jagged gust
British food and American beer, name two better topics to troll on
near walrus
you mean water right @jagged gust š
long chasm
Hehe
plush tendon
British food and American beer, name two better topics to troll on
theres some good American beer, but if we talking the name brand stuff like bud light you aint drinking it cause it tastes good...
crystal mauve
I see a lot of people hating on Uldaman but never really saying why, what so you hate so much in there? š¤
plush tendon
its a long dungeon and the timer is super punishing
I actually really enjoy Ulda to a point; had the dungeon ended at the 4th boss, I think people would be much happier
plush tendon
Ulda and Halls were my favorite two of S4
round pendant
AA and BH for me
plush tendon
Azure Vault sort of lost points; i hate when people walk into a dungeon on like a 18 and are like 'we just time this easy'
First pull Halls was such a highlight of the season for me
and then watching our guild shadow priest do the snap tech to bring the two minibosses to the frogs after first boss
so big brain
round pendant
I never do shit like that
I would push higher keys and do cool tech if I had 4 friends to play with 
plush tendon
we only had 3 of us this season; burn out was real
but Im hoping that the pushing changes with every week being a push week makes it easier
plush tendon
I never do shit like that
https://clips.twitch.tv/SourUglyRaccoonBibleThump-0sN-MZj449X12TO3 so heres the tech; I didnt get to do it cause its complicated, but he showed us š
round pendant
neat
tribal wharf
https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-910807521467777761...
do europians actually?
plush tendon
do europians actually?
Americans be like mm sugar bread
tribal wharf
well, i typed in british food
round pendant
I love shit like that
Yeah it's neat but I feel like I could never trust 3 puggers to not just insta die to anything relatively different
tribal wharf
but i dunno wtf to call all of europe isnt germany europian but uk britian also is or some shit too?
round pendant
but granted I don't do higher than +10 so I'm kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel for puggers
tribal wharf
my puny canadian brian cannot even fathom UK politics and ideologies
round pendant
Yogi, what
unkempt hazel
do europians actually?
is that an oreo
round pendant
first of all, it's European
tribal wharf
well, you see, theres 1 lol,
plush tendon
Yeah it's neat but I feel like I could never trust 3 puggers to not just insta d...
oh yea, that aint a pug pull
round pendant
The UK is in Europe but not the European Union (rip)