if youre this new
#protection
sonic terrace
yea im not going to. i will later when i do understand the spells and get a good feeling on this tank. i have a druid tank which i do random 8-10's and this character mains arms doign 15's
lusty grotto
or any macro, and when i say macro, i mean multiple spells/skills tied together and not alt/mods
alt/mods are fine
targetting is also fine
merry sluice
I love watching idiots sit in queue fro 30+ minutes needing a tank but refusing anything that's not vdh lmfao
tough patio
I love watching idiots sit in queue fro 30+ minutes needing a tank but refusing ...
What makes them desirable anyway? Is it sigil of silence?
Where monks?
merry sluice
funny thing about raging
sigil of silence wont even do anything in raging
their mass cc spam via vomiting sigils and buffing 'meta' dps
tough patio
~~sigil of silence wont even do anything in raging~~
their mass cc spam via vom...
Oh I see
round pendant
god went dps on the kill for heroic sark and the tank turned the boss around and frontalled 4 people
runic hamlet
should I get the fyrakk tainted rageheart or buy a awkaned wep or shield? Im 524 item level
zealous goblet
should I get the fyrakk tainted rageheart or buy a awkaned wep or shield? Im 524...
weapon
the axe, i forget its name, the one that does shadowflame damage
merry sluice
rageheart is mid for prot warrior, not even your best defensive option
Shield is your best defensive upgrade
While gholak is a massive dmg boost and should be one of your first bullions
valid hinge
god went dps on the kill for heroic sark and the tank turned the boss around and...
I been that tank before
crystal iris
why do spell reflects from tank hit harder than spell reflects from DPS in ulduman third boss?
arent we both reflecting the dot?
zealous goblet
arent we both reflecting the dot?
if i recall they're reflecting something different
i don't remember or know what
crystal iris
if i recall they're reflecting something different
seems like its the only reflectable thing
and it doesnt say it does more damage to tank
my reflect (arms) vs tanks reflect
and yes I hit them all and 2 of the fire pillars during intermission
south zealot
did he get them all
oh wait you’re arms
if i had to guess the boss can’t take 2 dots
shut summit
yep just sniping each other's reflects
visual cave
A good ignore pain WA that still works?
hollow bolt
i think i have one
sec
never mind i deleted it a while back
heres one from wago https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
visual cave
heres one from wago https://wago.io/IgnorePainTracker
I just downloaded this one
It doesn't work for some reason
hollow bolt
damn ok sorry
untold mural
got to 246 stacks, I think I stood there for like an hour lol
Last pic still standing at 232
spark verge
Hello guys. Any tips how to sustain urself on hard heal checks like second Boss on AA (bird) Or the dragons in Hoi i find rly hard to sustain myself there (keys+15)
zealous goblet
Hello guys. Any tips how to sustain urself on hard heal checks like second Boss ...
what trinkets do you use big boss
rotate them defensive cds
strong forum
Bird boss gets massively easier with an evoker, but also it's by far our biggest weakness in form of a boss
That boss is just pain all the way through, so perma rotate CDs
The dragons in hoi you should outrange the breath since it's rly rly short
And the thing that fucks you up harder there is the ice shard casts from the ice callers
So you wanna reflect/cc those casts
Outside of that sw/spellblock are your friend
spark verge
Out range breath is a thing that i never tought about. Good advice thanks. Yes i learned about ice shard in hard way
violet ginkgo
so far spellblock is our best friend indeed
spark verge
Also the first Boss on Ruby is painfull expirence. But spell reflect is v handy there
About my trinkets im using the one from fyrakk with critrate and the one from smolderon. Dont remeber the name
merry sluice
Signet's a good DPS trinket, though anvil may proof a bit easier to maintain in keys, its not a wrong choice at all.
if you decide to replace one for a defensive option, I'd sub out augury for treemouth or dreadplates personally
spark verge
Dut the dreadplates works only on phisical damage ?
merry sluice
No, dreadplate combos really nicely with our active mitigation to make you really tanky for its duration
Especially if its a bunch of smaller hits (like trash in a dungeon), rot bosses, DoTs etc. Plus it'll pump some nice aoe dmg once it expires.
Its waaay better than it was in s2
oblique gust
Heyy !, for the embelishment, double shadowflamme have a big difference between compagnonship wrist and one shadowflamme ?
spark verge
i wish i had bulions to buy it now 😄
tacit locust
@visual cave this is the one i use https://wago.io/HSDNsHzdb
violet ginkgo
Heyy !, for the embelishment, double shadowflamme have a big difference between ...
this is a sim question so you can just sim it.
violet ginkgo
No, dreadplate combos really nicely with our active mitigation to make you reall...
Sad though sometimes the laser pop to the wrong direction
crystal mauve
Heyy !, for the embelishment, double shadowflamme have a big difference between ...
Last time I simmed the difference was negligible and I’ve like SF for the double ring proc (I don’t know if it proc more with both but this won’t stop you from doing anything)
crystal iris
I usually just run treemouths and dreadplates
for push keys, and as I get more and more comfortable tanking, im finding myself not feeling the need to equip my 483 cheat death
havent ran a key with it in like 2 weeks
violet ginkgo
Last time I simmed the difference was negligible and I’ve like SF for the double...
He still having SF, so the proc is not the issue, the double SF is just make the prog damage better not the chance I think?
Plus we already have tons of thing to proc rings, Gholak, helm enchant, and then if raiding, signet brand.
crystal mauve
He still having SF, so the proc is not the issue, the double SF is just make the...
That's a good question, I was under the impression that it was more often but I might be wrong, I've never checked actually. Would anyone know for sure?
crystal iris
how can you tell if an evoker is good
I just ran a 15 HoI and we just ran out of time after third boss. I wasnt pulling too crazy or anything but felt like damage was low
CC and kicks were good, healing was good damage seemed a bit low on mage
and evoker had 61% ebon might uptime
this was route, not the best but nothing fancy for pugs
Might need a fancier route for 15, but we didnt have a priest to skip the pack after first boss
vocal cave
what happen to dreadplates when the timer runs out? they go in the direction of your current target ?
south zealot
and evoker had 61% ebon might uptime
thats bad
humble schooner
CC and kicks were good, healing was good damage seemed a bit low on mage
low overall dps for a 15
livid oasis
whats good?
I'm doing fine, how about you?
grim pilot
whats good?
good for 15's like 75% I'd say
but realistically you'll get people doing 70% and it's considered decent-ish I guess? idk
60% is as if he pressed EM and then went afk or something lol
strong forum
what happen to dreadplates when the timer runs out? they go in the direction of ...
Ya
That group had atrocious dps
Mage should be like 200-300k higher
Ret like 100k higher
And tank also like 100k
crystal iris
if i had to guess the boss can’t take 2 dots
ohhhh interesting
tribal wharf
some group comps benefit from pulling more mobs at once, so they get a higher overall dps
dps demon hunter is a good example but im sure there are many that have buffs like that
they get some % more dps like 3% when hitting 4 or more targets with somethin, other groups might do better slightly less aggro pulls
urban portal
tribal wharf
well no, it was that dps dh has an added effect making it actually worth it to pull 4 and more mobs at time
cuz like, any dummy can say, well if we open 2 lemonade stands, make double the money, not quite so always, thats the dream though
crystal iris
Haven’t seen a DPS DH in forever
tribal wharf
well you know your man yogi dont reroll or respec
so, i know of no other dh for most part
not in current retail at least
me like fps shooter game
wasd and like 5 other buttons, main one being left mouse for shoot gun, or ctrl for REALLY old shooter
merry sluice
ah yes
I love fighting Deios, and watching all dps, and evne the fucking healer scatter like ants and fill the entire room immediately
crystal iris
I’ve had a couple tanks just stand there and the only place I can hit the boss is by hard stacking on tank. Literally having to move out of range to avoid the frontal lol
crystal iris
bruh 14 RLP and i got turned into a popsicle before first boss
had never had that happen to me before had to look up the ability. healer just didnt dispell stacks from the welps
zealous goblet
I love fighting Deios, and watching all dps, and evne the fucking healer scatter...
i don't heal
elfin cedar
This feels like a really obvious question, but if I'm tanking an Algethar on like 10+, should I be taking the vers pin or the green healing pin?
rigid yew
This feels like a really obvious question, but if I'm tanking an Algethar on lik...
I take the vers as it provides both offense and defense
rigid yew
Might need a fancier route for 15, but we didnt have a priest to skip the pack a...
route is fine, I pull less aggressive than that and usually hit the last boss with 5-6min left
grim pilot
This feels like a really obvious question, but if I'm tanking an Algethar on lik...
Haste
violet ginkgo
This feels like a really obvious question, but if I'm tanking an Algethar on lik...
Take neither of those, you should take the bronze pin aka haste
compact silo
between oce, anvil and signet what trinket combo is best?
compact silo
Take neither of those, you should take the bronze pin aka haste
i take crit cuz i already eat haste food and haste rune and i get penalty. should i take crit/vers or still haste
violet ginkgo
the haste is extra 5%, it's not rating.
violet ginkgo
between oce, anvil and signet what trinket combo is best?
for what purpose?
compact silo
in general
compact silo
the haste is extra 5%, it's not rating.
yeah i realised that when i wrote my message
violet ginkgo
There is no in general, Trinket for M+ (low and high) then Raid is different.
compact silo
well i only have those three at the moment, so which should i use in raid and which in m+
violet ginkgo
Anvil + Signet is good for raid.
M+ is varied, I personally use Anvil + Dreadplate, because I only farm 8 every week as casuals. I heard for high push there is Treemouth and Dreadplate combo.
All-totem also fun to use for M+
compact silo
but between those 3 anvil + oce for m+?
violet ginkgo
probably still OK but not your best option for sure.
grim pilot
but between those 3 anvil + oce for m+?
Yes since signet is hard to keep, you cant be longer than 15 sec out of combat
But I’d get all totem/treemouth/rageheart/dreadplates/stonescales as 2nd trinket depending on the content you’re doing
remote tusk
violet ginkgo
I wish that item is not 20mins cd
crystal iris
Signet is not that good for raid unless you’re doing mythic
violet ginkgo
I mean for heroic level yeah the early boss might die quite fast but for the later boss signet is good since the fight tend to be long because of the forced mech like tindral.
rigid yew
Signet + Dread for me so far
Both do 10% average damage per key
I have a WA that tracks the out of combat timer for signet. Sometimes you can't stop it from expiring but lots of cases where I've pulled with 1sec left
At 15 stacks it does wicked damage
waxen frigate
crystal iris
I mean for heroic level yeah the early boss might die quite fast but for the lat...
ya the 2 last bosses of every raid basically
jagged pier
lusty tiger
🫃🏻
lusty tiger
💀
elfin cedar
is there a reason some tanks on the leaderboards take sophic devotion instead of wafting devotion?
pallid quiver
It used to be better than wafting
It's really a sim question as to which to use
With the stats available now, it's pretty much always wafting
I think Sophic might also be cheaper than wafting atm?
pallid quiver
I mean
Like I said, it's a sim angle
You just chuck both enchants on there and see
tribal wharf
how this channel thinks i spent yesterday ||even though im canadian||
timid nacelle
Hey quick one, I got some log feedback the other day and one of the suggestions was to not use violent outburst procs on thunder clap, but save for shield slam. Should I be sitting on it wasting globals to use on shield slam or if both ss and TC are off cooldown, prioritise ss over tc for VO? I also find myself with ability downtime, do we have anything for a filler to use while waiting for abilities to come off cd or procs etc.
pallid quiver
Hey quick one, I got some log feedback the other day and one of the suggestions ...
It's not worth wasting any globals, but you can fish for resets using Revenge
timid nacelle
It's not worth wasting any globals, but you can fish for resets using Revenge
Perfect. Yeah that's what I am doing, but sometimes no rage and just sitting there waiting for a SS resetting, will just send TC if no rage for rev/no ss
pallid quiver
Yeah, it's also not necessarily worth it to just keep sending revenges even if you have the rage, since you lose out on rage to be generated by having TC not cycling its CD
It's like, 1-2 CDs is fine to fish for, after that just send it
You'll eventually send some outbursts on TC
timid nacelle
Ok great. Thanks for the input mate
waxen frigate
how this channel thinks i spent yesterday ||even though im canadian||
Deep yogi lore
misty sail
quick question <--- S2 Warri Tank with 470 GEar. Seal of Diurna's Chosen or a good Tank Trinket?
blazing condor
i personally like having trinkets
they "do" more
diurna ring just gives you damage
trinkets can give you damage + defensive effect / something else
misty sail
so Heart is a good Choice?
blazing condor
fyrakk trinket?
blazing condor
we recommend taking Enduring Dreadplates instead
rageheart is fine but not the best
dreadplates it gives good damage and good defense
misty sail
👍
strong forum
At this point in the season I recommend getting whatever looks fun to you
Given that it's over very soon
misty sail
true 😉
rigid yew
At this point in the season I recommend getting whatever looks fun to you
Unless you are competing for the top of the top, I recommend following this advice all of the time.
Obviously, do a little research so you're not running around with 2x F tier trinkets but yea, do whatever makes the game fun for you.
crystal iris
Hey quick one, I got some log feedback the other day and one of the suggestions ...
I'd say its worth wasting 1-2 globals
especially if youre on a single target
but generally you should have enough rage to revenge or execute / IP to fish for SS reset
I wouldnt wait more than 1-2 globals
But I have a bad habit of sending TC on bosses by accident it just always seems to line up
blazing condor
1-2 globals is usually what i wait too
a lot of waste if you just auto-attack for 3 globals trying to get a SS
crystal iris
theyre just gonna play VDH
more damage, more control
anything that lets the casters just stand there and do dmage as it it were target dummies
blazing condor
pwarr is only ever really brought for spell reflects
and idk if there's any dung where that's worth
maybe NO or last boss HOI
tribal wharf
i've been trying to do missions in crisis core
lvl 10 missions as lvl 62 without 99k hp, 50% mission completion and only at slums is..... blehhhh, everything 1 shots me now
toxic pewter
?
south zealot
i dont have a log but its fine
using it or brutal vitality are both completely fine
fluid bobcat
is this good? anyone tried it?
If you're already overhealing a lot it's not worth. I tried it a couple of times and I'm usually sitting at near full hp and full IP. Keeping ignore pain capped is great for surviving big ol hits.
lusty grotto
if youre pulling huge, FbV pulls a bit ahead, but it does a lot of overhealing as mentioned
if not, brut vit is a better pick
like choco said
either is fine
it wont make a difference
deft vessel
its been a long time since i played protection warrior. is it now the only feedback loop of your healing the passive named indomitable? or is brutal vitality in direct interaction of your healing income and as effective as indomitable?? or is ignore pain the main source of your survival overall? i think ignore pain is on top of the meter and always right?
lusty grotto
no to all questions
shield block is your main mit, not ignore pain
ignore pain is just a rage dump
as prot we dont look at healing or hps
its not the core of our survivability
deft vessel
yeah but i asked about healing feedback loops
lusty grotto
its something additional to have
deft vessel
yeah i dont think you got this right, if its not as important then why is it at the top of our healing done?
deft vessel
hps is what keeps a tank alive.
round pendant
lmao
lusty grotto
again if you wanna go down that route there's plenty of logs to go by
but all that youre saying is incorrect
round pendant
ignore pain isn't even a heal tho?
lusty grotto
yeah its an absorb, obviously those are parsed at heals
copper minnow
Prot war is not like other tanks
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say like other tanks
not a lot of tanks require HPS to live, in fact none of them do
BDK is the biggest example, if you dont have bloodshield managed you will flat out fucking die
deft vessel
alright thanks, thats what i was looking for i got my answer. have a good one.
thanks for the link
lusty grotto
🤷
round pendant
I'm so confused
lusty grotto
some people think like this
theyre dead set on it, so there's no use in trying to explain otherwise
its very apparent to anyone here that its completely incorrect, but it is what it is
"hps is what keeps a tank alive", speaks volumes
that was enough to
robust urchin
Let's be honest here, rageheart is an ok buy it's pretty nice doing outdoor content as DPS
robust urchin
lusty grotto
season has been over, i should change my nickname lol
round pendant
I never understand people who are self admittedly new/rusty/returning and they just ignore information
chilly brook
hps is what keeps a tank alive.
No not at all, prot warrior has not worked like this since Legion
Consider for a moment that you might be operating on a misconception
Quite literally every person who has played warrior since BFA will tell you our healing doesn’t matter. Yes it will help some that we press ignore pain and that we have indomitable but in general the only reason those even do anything meaningful for us is because we as warriors operate on the principle of reducing damage as much as possible before it happens and shield block and armor is insanely effective at doing so for physical damage intake.
If we had meaningful “HPS” we wouldn’t care about magic damage and heavy dot damage, but we do because none of our main mitigation outside of CDs do anything against that type of damage
A far more useful metric for a warrior if you’re concerned about looking at healing is to have a very low EHRPS but even then that’s not entirely super helpful. Just press mitigation buttons before taking damage.
Don’t overcap rage
Press shield slam on CD
Press block before blockable damage and try to block as many hits as possible
Anything else is overcomplicating it
fickle tundra
So Arcane Cleave from Azureblade is magic dmg and deadly on a 15. noted.
tribal wharf
for magic, and cleave type attacks, even "fireblade" have to check how the mechanic works, and how it works with chosen method of damaging reducing it
cant always block magic (spell) cant always block cleave (hits more than 1 target) in a circle on the ground jumps targets etc
copper minnow
Usually spell reflect is short enough CD to cycle alone but for other tank busters throw in shield wall and spell block in between spell reflects
Should have something up for every one
fickle tundra
I was chilling on Azureblade, a Cleave was coming and I thought "meh, dstance is fine"
(it wasnt)
tribal wharf
lots of stuff to check on that and then you just chose the best way of reducing it, between block spell block reflect, and uhh i guess parry
bunch of you just, oh parry that shit
i mean like ya, but like, whatever im not gunna argue that again, i guess you can just parry it bro ez if u have a bunch of crit or summin
fickle tundra
dstance alone = dead
dstance + SR = barely alive
tribal wharf
i thought they banned/abanoded the "just heal me bro" site
something about healer abuse, probably
wtf is the next name of them lmao, "ez clap 1 hp"
fickle tundra
My "I thought I was fine with just dstance" stance.
tribal wharf
i both love and hate the names they come up with for this
strong forum
dstance alone = dead
dstance + SR = barely alive
Vs what
Cuz you're missing 3-4 punish stacks which you will have 100% uptime on
Not to mention like 600k+ of ignore pain
Ah azure blade, yeah you wanna rotate spellblock/sw for that
Cuz it's both magic+phys dmg in one hit
grim pilot
Didnt know its phys + magic
strong forum
Pretty sure it is
grim pilot
U can always also outrange it
Aka leap out
Or i guess charge out maybe but much cringier
grim pilot
Ye
strong forum
But yeah even a naked one doesn't even come close to 1 shotting
On the first one I had only Sr + IP up
And it's only half of my health
grim pilot
Ip punish thats passive stuff
strong forum
On 16 fort
grim pilot
So yeah
strong forum
Well yeah 4 stacks of punish is given
Same as IP
Didn't have to go into d-stance even once
strong forum
I mean
grim pilot
Barely went d stance
strong forum
Zmok has done it on 20 tyr without a healer
strong forum
But they managed
grim pilot
A bit of a cook in my opinion but hes doing world first pwar keys so
But its so funny
grim pilot
I tanked it on 19 tyra without a healer on vdh and its just funny comparison vs pwar
grim pilot
His build is literally standard
Idk ive seen av?
Or something
He had bolster
And no demo shout talents
grim pilot
Ice cutters
strong forum
Que
grim pilot
If all you do is outrange
grim pilot
No shor
grim pilot
Fuck not sure what key was it as im on my phone
But he did have those weird talents
Tryna find
strong forum
Hm
They don't have magic dispel
That's why
Maybe
So he gotta tank through dragon strike
Every so often
strong forum
Fuck if I know
strong forum
Only stream I can stomach is my boy reholy
lusty grotto
dstance alone = dead
dstance + SR = barely alive
this is why i told you NOT to use NEC
and i did mention it several times
it does not have our full mit
it does not have spell block
it does not have treemouth
NEC is for 19+ keys and depending on gear it can certainly go 1 or 2 lower
it specifically says
lets enhance
last time i mention one of these tools
in here
completely misunderstood even when told what to not use it for
un-fucking-believable
crystal iris
dstance alone = dead
dstance + SR = barely alive
wait how
oh ya works fine for DPS but tanks that seems way off
15 tyr having IP maxed, in dstance and using spell reflect i maybe lose 10% HP if that
fickle tundra
this is why i told you NOT to use NEC
chill the fuck down dude wtf.
My only conclusion from all that was "Arcane Cleave is something to watch for" and nothing else.
pallid quiver
NEC's mostly for DPS/Heals, anyway, since those are like, actually at risk of being one-shot outside of just didn't press buttons
pallid quiver
chill the fuck down dude wtf.
My only conclusion from all that was "Arcane Cleav...
It's also not even the most damaging thing for a tank at all; like Nome mentioned, it skipped like half the passive mitigation that exists. You have to go out of your way to make NEC useful for tanks, but useful is
crystal iris
chill the fuck down dude wtf.
My only conclusion from all that was "Arcane Cleav...
he does that
lusty grotto
why even post NEC screenshots in here, instead of the actual log
pallid quiver
a strange statement, considering by the time you're being one-shot, the party has been dead for 2-3 key levels
crystal iris
its weird because looking at that, it should work, how much IP does it give you?
empty pike
What opening rotation do you guys do to establish aggro on a big pack of guys? Like the whelps in ruby life pools during the first boss
pallid quiver
What opening rotation do you guys do to establish aggro on a big pack of guys? ...
i just keep pressing my normal buttons, just on the whelps
crystal iris
What opening rotation do you guys do to establish aggro on a big pack of guys? ...
For welplings you want to have something AOE ready
pallid quiver
if i think someone's going to drop mega on the whelps specifically before I have a chance to press more, you press aoe taunt
crystal iris
so either TRoar, an outburst TC or my favorite is ravager
any mob that paths through a ravager gets pretty good aggro on you
pallid quiver
If somebody goes out of their way beyond that to commit suicide, that's really on them to be honest
lusty grotto
eh
empty pike
Makes sense
crystal iris
I usually ravager one group and aoe taunt the other
empty pike
Does the thunder clap and revenge 5 cap damage effect it much?
crystal iris
Does the thunder clap and revenge 5 cap damage effect it much?
TC doesnt have a 5 cap on damage afaik
its just 5 cap on targets it affects with rend
empty pike
Ah
crystal iris
in fact ravager doesnt have hard cap either, its softcapped at 5
they both say "all enemies around you" or "all enemies in front of you"
lusty grotto
TC has SL caps
crystal iris
but I usually charge in, TC, SS then revenge for openers
then move to next pack if im grouping. hard part is getting those in while also using shield block and IP
lusty grotto
troar is the only one that doesnt really have a cap
its just 2 add phases anyway
ravager 1
then either troar or challenging the other
and regardless of SL caps
you do want to TC
lusty grotto
there's no correct one
you have 3 tools
and 2 phases
just remember ravager doesnt have cdr, untalented
and we dont talent into it
so if its sent whenever, its likely it wont be up for when he needs it
troar has cdr due to tier
so just use ravager for one and either/or troar and challenging shout
crystal iris
as long as you dont send it with like 10% left on the mini boss before boss, itl probably be up for second set
lusty grotto
correct
lusty grotto
the SL capping department
which should revise TC being SL capped
since other tanks have more than 1 ability completely uncapped
and if they do, it doesnt have a long cd
but yeah lasher threat is a mini-game in itself
at least, as it is
crystal iris
ya, like i CD as many of them as I can, but it's impossible to always have something up
sometimes its fine other times its mahem and even TC + revenge isnt enough
worse if you run opposite side during the swirly and lashers spawn other side on a range during that
empty pike
Does demo shout make much threat?
lusty grotto
no
not by itself
but the damage amp it gives, certainly helps
more damage = more threat
south zealot
Zmok has done it on 20 tyr without a healer
someone in here said a 19 on prot warrior wasnt possible bc there were none done on raider io at the time
ppl in tgp chat were saying doing a 19 with a surv hunter is impossible as well
as if you couldnt boost a 19 av
sleek flax
i cant decide if play warr prot, mage or shamman, some advice?
violet ginkgo
No advice at all, just play what you want or find fun.
dusty sierra
So i've been playing like prot warrior for a little bit now. Just copied the talents straight off from #1 io lad. But is that even all the recommended talents we should pick etc?
grim pilot
ppl in tgp chat were saying doing a 19 with a surv hunter is impossible as well
Ya as if mm hunter isnt doing 20’s
Which is a squishy spec and just runs ward
blazing condor
So i've been playing like prot warrior for a little bit now. Just copied the tal...
better to copy from the guides
whats best for #1 isn't necessarily best if you do content at a lower level
and sometimes the top 1 players aren't even playing the class properly
merry sluice
A part I feel often isnt considered when copying top-player builds is they're running that odd stuff with coordinated groups, or evne dedicated push groups where the downsides of a build is either covered by someone else, or they're playing for a specific niche that's not evne worth considering in your weekly 10
or they're just weird, dunno how the class works, but fundamentally good enouigh at the game they get by while playing the class wrong
blazing condor
usually its the second part
top level m+ isn't about how well you know your class (obv that helps)
its just how well you can play and coordinate with your group
you dont need top be parsing 100s to be the highest ranked tank
just stay alive and pull well
merry sluice
I swear to god
every key with a resotdruid this week has been an absolute trainwreck.
from watching them die to the dumbest shit, to them clearly just not knowing boss mechanics
cerulean tusk
late season rdruids, not the same as rdruid mains
crystal iris
So i've been playing like prot warrior for a little bit now. Just copied the tal...
builds in the pins are good too
vague drift
builds in the pins are good too
Cant find it
crystal iris
as if you couldnt boost a 19 av
Tbf I’m not really sure how anyone clears 19s
Like how does an ele shaman live first boss of AV they straight up don’t have enough défensives
And before someone says externals what about the other DPS?
crystal iris
Oh that makes sense actually
crystal iris
Tanking is kind of nice you don’t need to stress about these things
strong forum
And rotating group defensives like mass barrier
Yah tanks don't give a shit
They're designed around dps/healers
Not tanks
crystal iris
I’ve been playing a lot more prot lately pushing IO and when I swap back to arms at a higher key level it’s like woah wait
strong forum
Yah
crystal iris
Although arms still has a ton of options
strong forum
Gotta make sure to check if you can live if you start pushing 17+
Or rather, what you need to live
south zealot
living on warrior is easy enough but most other classes arent so lucky
crystal iris
Ya IP is less of a DPS loss than fkn ghost wolf lol
strong forum
+dstance + IP + Sr
south zealot
ip/extra stam
strong forum
Like I didn't need to worry about yazma 1shots last season until fucking 30 tyr
merry sluice
I feel you have to actively try to die on that boss as a tank
strong forum
Xd
south zealot
i die to everything bc im slightly stupid 
merry sluice
Referring to leymoor, but yazma too ig… yazma was boring to tank bc I literally did nothing but position and watch as dps ignored it and baited spiders like psychos anyways lmfao
strong forum
I've never died in world of warcraft 
strong forum
Referring to leymoor, but yazma too ig… yazma was boring to tank bc I literally ...
S3 tanking in general was quite boring, literally nothing did any tank dmg
Besides a handful of pulls
merry sluice
I was on my paladin last season, but I’m pretty sure I could just unbind everything but wings and take negative dmg still
crystal iris
That bridge pull in AA Is spooky
strong forum
Nah
south zealot
just parry axe bro
crystal iris
It’s grouping the casters in pugs
strong forum
Que?
crystal iris
Idk I haven’t got it just right yet
strong forum
That's turbo easy
merry sluice
I feel more engaged tanking s4, but getting pugs to actually have a brain cell on tyran week is sooo much worse. I felt like s3 was so brain dead I could just brute force shit dps through to the finish line.
Especially ontop of how free all the timers were
crystal iris
Like either I don’t hit them enough and leap away and lose aggro, or I stay too long building aggro and everything starts casting and won’t follow
strong forum
Well that's a dps being stupid issue
south zealot
i love tgp
strong forum
Everyone in the game knows you don't engage that pull before it's stacked up
merry sluice
Wiping a +16 av bc the rogue REALLY HAD TO GET TWO EXTRA SECONDS of uptime on leymoor rather then pop trees… Then the ret paladin also randomly deciding to also not pop trees.
Consuming stomp annihilated them both… you know. The one with bubble and the one with cheat
Good times
merry sluice
Idk man. Ik it’s worse bc it’s like the last legit push week of the season, but I feel all season has just been so much crazier in pugs that prior seasons.
Ik the reasons why, just really sucks to see
crystal iris
Especially on higher keys where you need to break at least 3-4
merry sluice
You can tell the people who cared are long checked out
merry sluice
That’s a fun fight to tank
Not on prot paladin
😬
crystal iris
Idk man. Ik it’s worse bc it’s like the last legit push week of the season, but ...
I feel like the Meta simping has been worse this season
crystal iris
Not on prot paladin
😬
lol y’a just warrior
merry sluice
One trigger happy dps forcing you outta consec with the slimes and the fight is hell
strong forum
I feel like the Meta simping has been worse this season
Reason why I stopped giving a shit after like 3 weeks
merry sluice
Not only can I just eat slimes on warrior, but the melee hit being deflect is just free
strong forum
3 weeks in if you weren't already 3.6k it was basically over if you're not meta spec if you wanted to pug
merry sluice
It is for that reason rather than pushing again I took it as the perfect time/excuse to main swap to warrior instead
crystal iris
It’s way easier getting into groups as prot than arms tho
People are starling to realize we are solid
crystal iris
Not only can I just eat slimes on warrior, but the melee hit being deflect is ju...
Eat slimes? Doesn’t that shit hurt?
merry sluice
I mean I don’t go outta my way to do it but if dps go zug zug brain, I can eat one or two in dstance + spellblock if it means guaranteeing I’ll still break trees/not panic move the frontal or aoe around, wtf else is worth spellblocking that fight anyways
south zealot
3 weeks in if you weren't already 3.6k it was basically over if you're not meta ...
even if you were that high there were so few keys in queue
it was hard to even get into an io key just bc of how few existed
merry sluice
That’s kinda the real nail in the coffin for me.
I’m chronically ill so when I can play is super sporadic (a dedicated push group isn’t viable for me) so a lack of keys to even join is a deal breaker, I kept finding myself lacking the motivation to bother after the first 3 weeks
vale bolt
Does anyone have a good recommendation for a macro with Sheild Charge?
I am trying to set up my keybinds for TWW and I am struggling because I plan to play colossus prot and demolish is going to take the place of a spot and I'm thinking of just macroing shield charge to something else
lusty grotto
Does anyone have a good recommendation for a macro with Sheild Charge?
dont
there's no shortcuts to warrior abilities, all of them will lead to bad play
use your modifiers like shift, alt, ctrl
vale bolt
I just thought it didn't matter because we send shield charge on cd anyway
lusty grotto
it matters cause shield charge is on the GCD
and no macro will work with 2 GCD skills
vale bolt
Cast sequences work no?
lusty grotto
the ones that will, i.e. cast sequences are bad
lusty grotto
why not use a modifier instead
look i can go over this, but we've gone over it with so many people in the past
vale bolt
Because I don't want to learn new muscle memory
round pendant
just bind a new button to the new skill
arctic finch
fuck this dogshit game
merry sluice
assuming you have a basic mouse with only back and forth on the side
ur mouse alone offers 3 extra binds (two thumb, 1 scroll click) are u using those?
add ctrl alt shift, that's 12 extra binds right there
put consumables on something quick but out the way, i put ultimate power on ~ get creative if u have to ;p
crystal iris
fuck this dogshit game
lol hi
I like having shield charge on a separate bind becuase sometimes ill hold it for a few GCDs if I know i need to stun something
bleak breach
Does anyone have a good recommendation for a macro with Sheild Charge?
Shield charge is hard, I used to use it in my opener macro, but I’ve got it separate now.
So instead of charging to a boss I would shield charge
Plugs cds and pots
vale bolt
Shield charge is hard, I used to use it in my opener macro, but I’ve got it sepa...
I was saving it as something that filled gaps in my shield block uptime or as an extra stun back when I was learning but got told I need to use it on CD
bleak breach
Yeah, I just blow it on cd
So for a boss as an example, I’ll charge plus cds and pots in an opener macro. Then demo shout and blow my other stuff
A really nice change would be if they took demo shout off GCD so we could macro shield charge and demo shout
crystal iris
demo shout off GCD would be so good
i use shield charge on CD and right on pull after charging, ava demo shout
but on some pulls like AV pulls with Furies, or the pulls in Nelth with thaumaturges, i'll delay it just a few GCDs to stun a cast
still using it within 10s of the pull starting, but i dont need to waste a global on storm bolt and i can keep building aggro
knew this RLP was going to fail from the first pull. this was after wiping to first boss lol
merry sluice
dude RLPs have been pissing me off this week
everyboss just feels like a coinflip on "Does someone die??"
and its always soemthing different
Sometimes DPS just flop over dead on first boss
Sometimes there's that one psycho baiting boulders in the dumbest spots posisble
Sometimes everyone jsut flops over on pull w/ third boss bc they ignore the dmg of infernocore
sometimes the eleshaman decides to run the opposite direction of you, immediatley pull thunderhead, die, then go offline
wait a minute...
I've seen that spriest before lmfao
crystal iris
I've seen that spriest before lmfao
I just logged off but DPS charts weren’t great either
First pull I almost typed like wow do you guys hate me or something I had 3 kicks and that was it I think someone else had one
Like glad I didn’t pull 4 chillweavers
And 2 earshaper casts went off - the two I didn’t stun
merry sluice
my favourite is when DPS decide to pull more there for whatever reason
then don't kick
bleak breach
since thunderlord refunds demoshout CD
Yeah they do now, when I wasn’t running thunderlord it was easy
tender cove
Hello. Is the beta access worth buying rn? Is it any fun?
Im just bored and in a country where rain season just started.
jagged pier
how about u play a different game or a different verison of the game if your bored
round pendant
I think he's saying he's bored in general, not bored of wow?
I wouldn't pay for beta tho lol
jagged pier
then why do something as borning as playing beta then
and make yourself bored of the content that coming before it out
strong forum
Beta doesn't offer content
jagged pier
harsh trellis
fuck this dogshit game
lol, what happened?
crystal iris
he went and posted that in all 3 warrior channels and didnt elaborate lol
round pendant
I get the feeling he had a bad pug experience
violet ginkgo
I think he just want to look sigma when a guy said something refuse to elaborate and leave
crystal iris
I get the feeling he had a bad pug experience
I come in here all the time complaining lol
median tulip
Bad pug experiences are the norm
I had a group earlier where the shadow priest was pulling less damage than I was
At 525
jagged pier
normal
crystal iris
like at 525 you have had ample time to gear up and learn your class idk
median tulip
Still timed the key, because spell reflect on the last boss in HoI is imba
crystal iris
think imma play fire mage next patch
worked hard enough this tier as prot / arms I just wanna sit back and DPS peacefully
plus with combust being like 1 min they wont be as dependant on how the tank pulls
Im going to make a macro that says this
violet ginkgo
525 and doing less than tank is yeah.... scary
merry sluice
think imma play fire mage next patch
Im so sorry to hear that
crystal iris
I'll still level the warrior
everyone talking about how good the fire rework is
and its a class ive never really played. kind of just felt wierd
I had a ton of fun on arcane though so if fire sucks ill play arcane
round pendant
525 and doing less than tank is yeah.... scary
this is almost every group for me
:(
every other*
crystal iris
It's pretty rare in 13+
round pendant
I don't bother with anything above a 10 so
violet ginkgo
we talking the M+? there is no way right, if raid I can understand because someone at heroic usually still a bit lower gear ilvl
jagged pier
its usual to beat dps in m+
crystal iris
well ya if youre 527 in a +8 you might out DPS some 2500io DPS players thats normal
jagged pier
in like 10s and lower
crystal iris
It's normal for Jakey
jagged pier
i mean im not even 525 this season
round pendant
I'm 512 ilvl
jagged pier
and barely running m+
and ive still done it so ppl with more gear and playing will see it for sure
crystal iris
ya but you've always pumped more than the avg prot
violet ginkgo
I mean I only farm 8s weekly, but it's not that often that I encounter dps doing lower than me. at least for final chart overall dungeon, I did encounter once in a while but not often
crystal iris
I beat a 2900 rio dh in dps in one key
you sure they were a DPS main? I havent seen a DH DPS all season. might have been a tank trying out DPS for first time
round pendant
yeah 2900 rio dps main role
crystal iris
damn
round pendant
it's not uncommon
Keys are so easy 10 or below that people can just ignore half the game and still win
crystal iris
mmm disagree
round pendant
but I don't like it because if you're unlucky and get two plankers it's just annoying and slow
ornate thicket
I beat a 2900 rio dh in dps in one key
I saw a ret do 150k dps with legendary axe and 528 ilvl lol
round pendant
but how
ornate thicket
My only guess is little brother on account
round pendant
that's the dps my 460 ilvl ret was doing in an uldaman +2 with baby pulls
ornate thicket
It is truly a tragedy
median tulip
It's just people generally not knowing their class and spec.
I'm pretty bad at DPS, but then I haven't done anything as DPS since the middle of season 2
strong forum
I've had mages so only 300k dps in BH when I pulled 500k as tank
Some men are not born equal
merry sluice
Some men are not born equal
"BUT I'M DOING PRIORITY DAMAGE!1!"
and then they're not even top boss dps
jagged pier
strong forum
"BUT I'M DOING PRIORITY DAMAGE!1!"
ret pally topping dps on Melidrussa
check boss dmg
competing with tank or below that
50% whelp dmg
many such cases
pallid quiver
My favorite is when they say they're busy handling mobs/interrupts
and then you see on the log that they never even pressed a utility button of any sort
let alone actually stop a cast
jagged pier
too hard for ret pala brain
pallid quiver
Listen, if Storm build Enha Shaman works some people's brains to their limit, sometimes there's nothing that can be done
merry sluice
the one time i got a pug ret that knew hwo to use any utility
'knew' in big air quotes
was when they decided to randomly lay on hands my protadin at half health, when I was waiting to WoG myself at low hp for a free goak proc
so i got fucked out of spellwarding 🙂
pretty sure i did a 15 av in the first few weeks of the season and the ret had 0 kicks all key
so that's worth mentioning too lol
round pendant
that's why I just won't lay on hands anyone but myself goodbye
nah I use it to save dpsers, tanks shouldn't need that shit lmao
fickle tundra
heyo PROTfessionals ,
what would you say is the fastest possible s4 dungeon +5 and +10?
RLP is banned.
I was thinking either AA or AV.
toxic pewter
prob rlp
merry sluice
neltharus, and watch how many brick after someone ragequits from dying to popping 3 chains on chargath, knowing how bad low keys can go :>
kidding
cerulean tusk
I noticed that ppl really hurry to break those chains for some reason, I never got the need for why they rush. Break 1, 2 and 3. Ez pz
waxen frigate
many such cases
MANY SUCH CASES
median tulip
pretty sure i did a 15 av in the first few weeks of the season and the ret had 0...
I've taken to explicitly telling melee DPS players: "You have been invited to this key to interrupt casts. I don't care what your personal DPS is, I just want to see interrupts."
median tulip
neltharus, and watch how many brick after someone ragequits from dying to poppin...
My "this is not going to go well" marker in Neltharus is if someone is standing in a position that will bait the magmammoth allllll the way across the room
flat stratus
did they hotfix x2 breakers on av before 3rd boss ?
they snap now
merry sluice
My "this is not going to go well" marker in Neltharus is if someone is standing ...
Dude the amount of keys where I’ll explicitly type before we enter the key, and then ping where to stand
And there’s still a random ass evoker standing off in narnia sending him across the room is actually INSANE
dusty sierra
So I was looking at the prot trinkets as I mentioned before fairly new to prot warrior tanking. But I was reading the pins, what would u guys say I need to get trinket wise, currently I have Splinter and Fyrakks, but I also see Enduring Dreadplate mentioned and EPA / CSB
I see EPA / CSB is more to dmg output and Enduring Dreadplate will do both somewhat?
median tulip
Anvil/Dreadplate is what most recommend. Personally I'm running CSB/Rageheart, but I got both as drops and I'm done spending bullion on player power; I'm amassing as many as possible for transmogs
crystal iris
did they hotfix x2 breakers on av before 3rd boss ?
they snap now
Snap how?
Ive always deathskipped them, i assume if you’re in combat and a priest grips you they would always snap
dusty sierra
Anvil/Dreadplate is what most recommend. Personally I'm running CSB/Rageheart, b...
interesting not at all what I was expecting. Thought ppl used Rageheart to get more shadowflame dmg
Guess I need 2 more boullions again to get both of them 
crystal iris
I run dreadplates and treemouth
median tulip
Diurna's ring has an ICD so as long as you have a few sources of fire it works to full effect; stacking many more fire damage procs doesn't keep increasing the damage from the ring
dusty sierra
Diurna's ring has an ICD so as long as you have a few sources of fire it works t...
Was more thinking about the shield aswell
But guess I need 2 more boullions then for Anvil/Dreadplate. I only dont have more boullions rn sadly hehe
merry sluice
did they hotfix x2 breakers on av before 3rd boss ?
they snap now
Maybe someone else did something dumb like toss a heal on you or walk too close to the breakers
mild sapphire
Speaking of AV. I learned yesterday that you cannot leap over the little trigger whelpings. They still trigger. Whoops.
round pendant
did a HoI at +9
the third boss just shreds everyones hp
healer absolutely pumping and it's barely enough
is that normal
speaking of dps doing less damage than me
strong forum
It's the hardest healing boss of the expansions
So yeh it is normal
Needs like 800k+ hps from healer on a +20
pallid quiver
There's just always damage coming out at all times, so the healer just has to keep healing
It's not even like a singular damage event (unless someone does a real stupid, in which case they die)
merry sluice
anyways hope eveyrone's enjoying the last week worth playing ina dead season
pallid quiver
ur a dead season
round pendant
what makes this the last week worth playing
I'm having fun :D
Idk why but these dungeons feel so much easier than during their respective seasons
Only thing I've had a bit of an iffy moment with was the crocs in uldaman
honestly
sheer panic when I encounter those things
strong forum
anyways hope eveyrone's enjoying the last week worth playing ina dead season
I didn't do keys in 3 weeks
lusty grotto
ive been playing dawntrail and shadow of the erdtree lol
probably doing 1 key on war tonight and thats it
lusty grotto
probably not gonna bother the next few weeks
i had to take a break after rellana cause
strong forum
Que?
lusty grotto
dawntrail came out lol
strong forum
Cuz not even the last boss took longer than 30minutes to beat
lusty grotto
super fair, parryable, 100% quality boss design
strong forum
All the bosses are super fair
lusty grotto
actually i did a few things after her
lusty grotto
good good
strong forum
But still only took 15 attempts 😦
strong forum
I'll start ng+ after I looted everything I want from dlc
merry sluice
I'm having fun :D
more for pushing
fort bolstering is just toxic as fuck lol
for doing vault slots any week is fine
strong forum
What build you running nim
strong forum
Mh
lusty grotto
i can flex though
lusty grotto
cause im like lvl 250 so i have enough stat spread
strong forum
I'm str faith build full big bonk stick
I'll switch now to beastclaws tho
And try to not just stagger my way through bosses
And by switch I mean
Just equip em
lusty grotto
i need to level up the one weapon i just got i forget the name
scales with dex
sword from rellana's castle
milady
thats the name
round pendant
First boss of RLP just a healer check?
round pendant
yeah group was dying
Doesn't help they were placing their hailstorms in the worst spots so the healer couldn't aoe heal tho
round pendant
everyone 50 meters apart lmao
strong forum
everyone 50 meters apart lmao
Everyone is supposed to stack ontop of the tank...
round pendant
:D
strong forum
And then you move 20°
Stack there again
Chillstorm out
Stack again until next hailstorm, and so on
So you don't shit up the room with hailstorm randomly all over the place
round pendant
Yeah I'll try to encourage that next time
I've found that ranged players just love to run off and stand in random spots
round pendant
It's really annoying to see people just spread unnecessarily
like why the hell are you avoiding ME? I'm not fire!!
merry sluice
dw
did it on a 15 the other day and sitll watched dps just flop over e.e.
round pendant
god I feel like augs just grief your logs
round pendant
dw
did it on a 15 the other day and sitll watched dps just flop over e.e.
great
it's prob the hardest key for me on tyr
round pendant
They really should add some NPC to fulfill crafts like that near the end of final seasons
lusty grotto
it'll be better next exp
since cross-realm guilds are a thing
and i think warband crafts are also cross-realm, but i could be wrong
round pendant
They changing the crafting order system much?
Idk anything about tww
I purposely avoid most info lol
round pendant
guess I'm buying a token to afford crafts next season
lusty grotto
and for crafters themselves be able to acquire knowledge points easier via npc orders
round pendant
though I might spam mining and herb again hopefully that's big gold money
lusty grotto
itll probably be, especially very early
round pendant
yeah I made like 600k casually mining and herbing at the start of DF
which lasted me the entire expansion
lusty grotto
yup
round pendant
Would be nice if they could figure out a way to make that stuff more worth doing long-term lol
There really needs to be some kinda persistent resource drain
lusty grotto
well it is, but they cant really do much against bots
supply and demand
more bots = more mats = lower prices
round pendant
Demand drops off a LOT though once most people have levelled their professions
the crafting professions that is
lusty grotto
youd be surprised
round pendant
but yeah bots suck
tribal wharf
i dont mind the bots in terms of they list 10 million "deep earth iron" or whatever the hell we are mining in t dubz
like, that the bots doing that, ultimately leads to a lower cost of the ore
hey i know, how about an energy meter and you refill it by using a sleeping bag Kappa
midnight eagle
should i buy a shield with bullions on a brand new warrior? there is enough to get the other priority trinkets etc as well now right?
river creek
Any tips to help PUG DPS survive knock backs on Chronos. 3 pugs today on 14 wipe with sub 5 deaths.
cerulean tusk
The knockback is killing people? If it somehow does, I don't think there is much you can do about it as pwarr other than rally and positioning so they can stand and hit boss and not get knocked into stuff.
Thought that boss was more about debuff handling than anything
lusty grotto
theres nothing you can do
its tyrannical, people need to play defensively
you can rally one, thats it
crystal iris
DPS die so easily to that knock back
Especially the first one since I think chronoshift comes out before?
Idk they get deleted
I always type in chat use défensives for wing flap pushback especially first one it hurts
Sometimes they listen
pallid quiver
All the bosses are super fair
I'm not very far in the DLC, but I'll contest this one, personally. So far, I've had zero difficulty with bosses, but some of their things have just been designed as "lmao gottem"s. I'm specifically thinking of Rellana's moon move, since, on first view, there's absolutely nothing to make you expect it to be a full room shockwave instead of some kind of projectile, particularly since almost every moon related thing elsewhere in the game (Moonveil, the moon spell, etc) are all projectiles.
I'm still butthurt about that.
so like, the bosses have been fairly easy but bullshit
pallid quiver
yeah i did that on try #2
She took me 3 tries, and I'm still butthurt about #2, also, since I traded with her intentionally with poise and it didn't count
lusty grotto
there was a guy that did hitboxes a huge while ago
and jumping is actually, extremely op
pallid quiver
Ye
A ton of things are specifically designed to encourage jumping
A lot of bosses have relatively low stagger rates, and jump R2s have disproportinately high stagger rates for their risk, especially in PvE
lusty grotto
like i kinda knew about it, cause jumping is also something that was done on other soulsborne but apparently you have way more invuln frames in ER
and yeah what you mentioned
pallid quiver
I don't think you have invuln frames necessarily from what I remember, but your hurtbox gets shoved up higher than your model actually is
lusty grotto
well both are true
cause there's frames to the jumping animation
so technically you do have more invuln frames
pallid quiver
every animation has frames
lusty grotto
if you see jumping as strictly a traditional invuln frame animation
pallid quiver
Yeah, it specifically gives lower body invuln
It's like in fight games, where they'll shrink your hitbox for upper body invuln moves meant to counter jump-ins and the like, and lower body invuln for moves meant to low crush
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
while double checking how the hitbox shrunk, I forgot that you have a better hurtbox while two-handing since almost all of your hurtboxes in your torso are invalid targets and you raise your arms while two handing
souls games jank and funny
lusty grotto
i hope they bump up the fps shit
having combat tied to FPS is so rough
idk how they will do it, but there a change needs to happen
pallid quiver
They likely won't ever, since it's a good way to keep the game's design tight and consistent, like with fighting games
pallid quiver
which is why I'm still butthurt that so much of the game still manages to be jank
also, I'm a firm hater of rolling being on release instead of press
lusty grotto
yeah... i think i agree, its just something ive gotten so used to but
it shouldn't be that way
im guessing they do that to take into consideration cancels
pallid quiver
Nah, they just don't want to
The general idea in DeS was that was your stamina use button, and all stamina and evasive kinda things were on Circle
and it's stayed the same since
My proposal was to move sprint to L3, and move crouch to a hold input on X, the normal Jump button, since you technically need to crouch down a bit to get good jump height.
but they like their i-frame and hurtbox buttons being f1 iirc, so that's banned
since my option would have you not immediately start with lower hurtbox invuln on jump
lusty grotto
f1?
pallid quiver
Frame 1
lusty grotto
ohh
simple drum
Prot boyz: Are you guys happy going into a candidate build with where you’re currently at?
round pendant
Does next expansion do anything for cross-faction play?
I really wanna go dwarf but my friend refuses to switch from belf
ionic fern
What more do you want from cross-faction play?
round pendant
What more do you want from cross-faction play?
Just queuing for levelling dungeons/etc
also being able to whisper cross-faction outside of instances
waxen frigate
also being able to whisper cross-faction outside of instances
Bro I just want whispers to remotely work
Whispering group leads in LFG is a shitshow
Completely inconsistent
round pendant
yup
waxen frigate
Sometimes I can whisper alliance. Sometimes horde. I never really know
But it’s annoying as fuck when I try to link achieves for pug raids and can’t
waxen frigate
This is real and true
jagged pier
dusky canopy
If arms and fury where S tier I’d say it’s legit
waxen frigate
If arms and fury where S tier I’d say it’s legit
One person so far has thought it was real
And questioned ele’s placement
merry sluice
Its obviously not real bc we aren't circle jerking shadow priest or bdk rn
merry sluice
The REAL reason blizzard is trying to push smaller pull sizes
stiff wagon
So guys, is more vers better or crit better?
I know haste is king.
but of those 2 which is better
pallid quiver
They're roughly 'bout equal currently
stiff wagon
ah okay
pallid quiver
I think optimally, you have more crit than vers, but it's not by much?
But that's assuming absolute bis
It's also not worth sacrificing ilvl for any combo of secondaries
And easiest way to solve problems are to sim, since all secondaries provide defensive value
stiff wagon
yeah gotcha.
merry sluice
Amazingly i've jsut watched two vault slots brick by actual dumbasses ragequitting after dying to failing boss mechanics (or somehow doing half my dps) on the first boss, on fort week.
God this season is sucha trainwreck
crystal iris
what do you guys think of this vs shield ring?
I guess shield is higher ilvl and has a socket too
and has haste even though its not as much
lusty grotto
So guys, is more vers better or crit better?
read pins
plush tendon
what do you guys think of this vs shield ring?
big ring; if your Broodkeeper ring doesnt have a socket, this is prob better
but if it does, the extra I level is prob better
humble schooner
keep in mind, shield ring will proc about 12-15 mil absorb in a dungeon
crystal iris
ya unfortunate
merry sluice
didnt evne get pas tthe first pull of a nokhud without an evoker deciding tof orcefully force a double pull
love this game
plush tendon
didnt evne get pas tthe first pull of a nokhud without an evoker deciding tof or...
first pull of Nohkud is so much fun... but requires people to know whats up
also is legit impossible if people dont help to get archers grouped (so you need knocks, grips, etc.)
but I see enough vods of people just doing them seperate