do you have to pull him to the side or you can just use a gate ?
#protection
south zealot
stand as far left as you can on the rock
crystal iris
kk
rancid tiger
just had 2 keys destroyed
1 coz healer thought i pulled to much, even though i announced before key, i wanted to try dragon into other trash for fun.
lusty grotto
which dragon
judging by the silence
im guessing RLP or HoI dragons
hope hes not EU
rancid tiger
i mean its only an 8
rancid tiger
i mean him leaving after 1 whipe?
lusty grotto
shrug
rancid tiger
is what destroyed it
lusty grotto
no
you did
cause why would you do that pull
i dont blame them at all
you can time that shit by going pack by pack, its an 8
lusty grotto
sorry, you destroyed your own key
rancid tiger
theres no way u are ever improving if u take it pack by pack
ornate thicket
The halls trash is nasty. If you arent stacked dps i wouldnt get ballsy on fort in that corridor
rancid tiger
was rlp though
lusty grotto
you dont pull dragons in high fort
at all
you dont get better by inting on a dragon + more trash on vault key people
youre just
inting
so you destroyed your own key
it wasnt the guy that left
it was you
ornate thicket
The dragon with any pack with cinderweavers and eles is death
magic socket
Hello, new here. I want to learn prot warrior. Is it okay to go into m+ with Augury and Cataclysmic Signet trinkets or should I really get something like Grieftorch and/or Prophetic Scales?
lusty grotto
yeah it should be ok
no need for tank specifics until you learn the core, buf if you want one you can grab dreadplates
pallid quiver
Also, if you have anvil, it's easier to manage in M+ since you can reset timer outside of combat easier
lusty grotto
dont worry too much about trinkets starting out
worry much more about your shield and gholak
magic socket
how does prot warrior compare in terms of difficulty to BDK? Because I only tried timewalking for now and without the healing of BDK it looks a bit harder
lusty grotto
you treat prot as bdk with bloodshield, you prevent damage instead of correcting or reacting to it
bdk isnt really the best example to compare to
specially if bloodshield usage isnt good
as prot keep shield block up at all times
shield slam > thunderclap > revenge/execute in priority for damage and rage gain
burn rage with ignore pain at 60-70+
that's the gist of it
start with that and go from there
and ask us if anything else comes up
make sure you read the pins as well
magic socket
yeah may have been stupid to compare to BDK, but it's the only tank I played, but thanks for answering. I will definitely return asking more questions or I will be complaining lol
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say its stupid to compare it to BDK, you have your reasons
its a starting point
its just BDK is kind of not on the same vein, reactive instead of preventative (except for bloodshield)
pallid quiver
how does prot warrior compare in terms of difficulty to BDK? Because I only trie...
It's easier to play baseline, but if you fuck up that baseline by turning your back or something, it's not as good as recovering since that's not how the kit works
round pendant
Idk how BDK works
how does BDK play reactive to things that would one shot a prot war without defensives up
Do they have strong passive mitigation or something
Oh I guess that's what their mastery does?
Might gear and play my dk to see if I wanna play it for tww
lusty grotto
Oh I guess that's what their mastery does?
yes thats bloodshield
south zealot
bdk doesnt play reactively
if you do you fall behind and die
you keep up bloodshield and know when tank busters are happening to immediately deathstrike and get full hp and bloodshield back up
round pendant
Damn sounds braindead
round pendant
What's the hardest?
round pendant
I tried brew but I hated it because too many buttons
south zealot
yeah you have like 7 rotational abilities
including like 4? offensive cds 5? defensive cds not counting purifying brew
on top of all your stops
its absurd how many buttons you have as brewmaster
round pendant
Yeah I feel like I'm constantly fumbling when I'm playing it
granted some of that is just lack of experience but it just feels tiring to play
Even tho I think pwar has higher APM? lmao
bdk I liked somewhat while levelling but I hate the lack of mobility
love the grips
merry sluice
PWar and ppal are higher APM, but 90% of it is just pressing the same couple buttons bc u get afuckton of resets, or slamming out spenders
there's a lot more 'bandwidth' needed when its not the same 3 buttons being spammed
south zealot
yeah ppal and pwar are like 85? apm
waxen frigate
pwarr is an extremely simple spec but very fast paced and reactive
compared to something like brew which is complex but rhythmic and predictable
waxen frigate
Yeah I feel like I'm constantly fumbling when I'm playing it
as a brew main--it's really a matter of establishing a flow and rhythm that actually perfectly encapsulates the fantasy imo
it looks like a mess but it's not
round pendant
Yeah it's the fact there's just more options to press
increases cognitive load
but I imagine that goes away and it becomes more reclined
lusty tiger
A harsh reality
lusty grotto
dn
waxen frigate
lol
lusty tiger
Nish #1
south zealot
playing brew with all available buttons and blackout kick is unbelievably hard for me
even dropping dampen harm and black ox brew or whatever the brew reset thing is
still hella keybinds
tough patio
as a brew main--it's really a matter of establishing a flow and rhythm that actu...
Long live brews
I’m trying prot war after 4 years of brew only
Not sure I’m gonna like it but let’s try
mental scarab
Prot is life
copper minnow
Noticed its recommended to take into the fray over heavy repercussions, dont we lose the 100% uptime on shield block for that?
blazing condor
If you have high enough haste value youre fine with ITF
Since itf gives %haste
The higher you have the better in relation
merry sluice
Less important to be at 100% uptime in a raid environment
But if we're talking dungeons we only go into the fray if our haste value is high enough. Otherwise we do go heavy repercussions. that said, even with high haste + itf you likely will trend to slightly lower Shield Block uptime, but the dmg gain + better anger management is easily worth the trade off
copper minnow
I see, I'll opt for it when i get more haste
merry sluice
i always go itf in raid personally regardless of where my haste is
but gear this season has fucked my haste so in keys I've been a heavy repercussions gamer. Its not at all the 'wrong' play if you're uncomfortable with, or lack the haste to run Into the fray in keys
*also worth mentioning its way easier to keep max itf stacks in raid too
zealous goblet
i'd like to add the note i dance between 94-98% shield block uptime with ITF
i am unsure if that 4-6% is unimportant or times where i genuinely haven't had a shield block ready, but i've noticed much of my "oh shit" damage isn't exactly from not blocking a hit in those few downtimes if they do exist genuinely, mostly shit like basilisk chomps and spells. (i'm at 14s so far)
autumn pawn
Is there any prot warrior youtuber to follow for tips and tricks? Or someone who uploads high key runs?
I can't seem to find much but Critcake doing a key here and there.
Or maybe a twitch streamer instead of YT?
robust urchin
TipsOut for the worst advice you will ever hear in your life about warriors
jagged pier
just the links to the ppl we recommend are in the faq
but this season kinda dead anyways
robust urchin
I used to watch Tat from time to time
autumn pawn
Ahh i see i found it thanks:)
robust urchin
I dunno if he still streams
zealous goblet
TipsOut for the worst advice you will ever hear in your life about warriors
who?
and what'd they say
merry sluice
i've never heard of tipsout but i feel dirty for saying that name
jagged pier
we dont need to get in a specifics here and stuff
valid edge
What u guys think is the best trinket comb for never die? Got 535 fyrakk trinket - myth treemouth - myth shimmerscale
522 dreadnaught
blazing condor
i mean stonescales you literally dont die
jagged pier
yer but thats once every 8 mins
where both plates and treemouth stop u dying
on a far shorter cd
blazing condor
just go afk for 8 mins then pull next pack
literally impossible to die unless you die twice
jagged pier
i mean we have a build for that
valid edge
dreadplates that good? isnt it only good for many tiny hit instead if og big hit?
jagged pier
and what are u taking most of the time in dungeons?
robust urchin
and what are u taking most of the time in dungeons?
valid edge
mhm yeah true, most of the time im scared of bosses
like this fcking bird
do it on +16 today - this bird hit like a truck
or maybe treemouth and stonescale for tyranical and tremouth + dreadplates for fort?
round pendant
I can't decide if I need to open my vault as prot or arms
I don't have a Myth shield, so prot?
blazing condor
you can always bullion a shield if youd rather open as dps
but then again you can also always bullion dps gear and open as prot
round pendant
I guess it just doesn't matter then
ornate thicket
Id bullion shield unless you need them for trinkets you are after
round pendant
I have grieftorch, anvil, dreadplates, gholak
and gotta wait til next week for another bullion for a shield 🤔
so I guess I'll open as Arms since a Myth two-hander would be good
wait no I can just bullion that too nvm
YEP it doesn't matter
merry sluice
I mean
ornate thicket
Lol yeah id open prot if you can use shield and a tank trinket you are after otherwise arms it
merry sluice
are you trying to avoid more dps trinkets
or trying to aovid more tank trinkets
ornate thicket
Damn those are big stats
round pendant
I wish I was a dwarf
ornate thicket
Dwarf master race
merry sluice
No-one wishes they were a dwarf
they only go dwarf out of desperation and suffering
ornate thicket
Female dwarf bis dance too
merry sluice
IDK if i've ever actually seen their dance
But anything is better than human or pandaren
ornate thicket
Male draenei and pandaren worst looking by far
plush tendon
naw, human is a vibe; looks good in everything
plush tendon
and, honestly, stun dispel is dope
round pendant
I'd say Orc > Dwarf > Human > Troll > Nelf > Belf > Dranei > Tauren >
that's just my humble opinion
plush tendon
for Warrior or in general?
round pendant
Tho if you're playing female chars it changes around a lot
round pendant
for Warrior or in general?
Melee ig
merry sluice
my choice boils down to
plush tendon
Orc loses points for me
cause there are some mogs they are bis in
and some where I want to tear my eyes out
merry sluice
female draenei pretty and make me feel good dysphoria go bye bye
dwarf aesthetic doesn't fit that too well.
And I just think orcs are stinky
strong forum
dwarf > nightelf > vulpera > troll >>>> rest >>>> tauren/orc
plush tendon
same with Dwarves.... biggest issue with Dwarves is closed helmets.... without beard, they look terrible
ornate thicket
You dont wear helm ez
toxic pewter
Honestly I’ll always love troll. Was my first char troll warr
round pendant
Orc just look cool but I hate the clipping issue with shields and shoulders
strong forum
orc look basic af
plush tendon
Orc have a bis 2h stance though
plush tendon
with hands that are actually a little bit seperate! Take notes humans
round pendant
old orc model better
I agree with you there
merry sluice
also female draenei w/ long tail model sways amusingly when casting, or charging and its really funny to me, idk why
like they're in a fucking wind tunnel
toxic pewter
A lot of old models and animations were better
round pendant
Yeah old aesthetic was really good
plush tendon
I also really like the new Warrior Tier on Dwarves in War Within
toxic pewter
Honestly best thing they can do for the game is bring back unique racial animations
ornate thicket
plush tendon
which is like fitted to be a dwarf
plush tendon
see thats a nice beard.... do you change beard color with tmog?
Im rocking a blondish beard right now
ornate thicket
Yeah
limpid ruin
I also really like the new Warrior Tier on Dwarves in War Within
I can’t escape the dwarf propaganda
toxic pewter
The Dwarf Within™
plush tendon
I can’t escape the dwarf propaganda
be a Dwarf with me Raji!
we'd look so good!
you, me and THV!
rancid tiger
is there any like supe smart tech to beat lashers on aa if ppl arent dispelling ?
plush tendon
is there any like supe smart tech to beat lashers on aa if ppl arent dispelling ...
what ya mean?
On tree boss?
ornate thicket
On fort? Pull them all same time so the swirls are synced and lust and hope you have a druid for vortex mid pull
rancid tiger
what ya mean?
on boss ye
like i end up with like 50 stacks of lasher toxin and i cant live that
rancid tiger
ok, other tanks can use other shit
to help
which is why i asked if warrior had something 😄
jagged pier
plush tendon
Not being a dwarf on war is sort of troll
you can play whatever race you want
it just so happens Dwarf Warriors are pretty god damn cool
ornate thicket
I didnt say you couldnt
ornate thicket
I love trolls just not a dwarf 😦
rancid tiger
i mean what i can say is this in pugs
playing BDK is just so much better than playing prot warrior
in weekly keys
its not even close
toxic pewter
O_O
jagged pier
plush tendon
rancid tiger
well i mainly play warrior :). but i just dabble in bdjk
ornate thicket
Ret pally pugs dont spec cleanse either lol
rancid tiger
so either im terrible at warrior
toxic pewter
seems like you are a bdk main now
plush tendon
ornate thicket
I think everyone is considering bdk with changes. Shit looks hot right now with aoe grip and the rework
toxic pewter
round pendant
can lasher toxin be dispelled by priests now?
or is it still the one dungeon priests aren't allowed to play
plush tendon
I think everyone is considering bdk with changes. Shit looks hot right now with ...
from my limited time playing, BDK does feel really good
but I actually suspect for at least the first half of War Within, Prot War is gonna be the preferred tank for M+ (raid its BDK all the way)
then we'll see what happens
round pendant
They need to bring back DK presences though
just rework em a bit
but they're cool fantasy wise
plush tendon
they didnt really do much
you never presence swapped (except in Wrath, but lets not talk about the atrocity that was DW unholy)
Personally, I'd rather they either delete Rune of the Fallen Crusader or bake it into the DK spell list
open up the other runeforges
ornate thicket
Pressences and stances are outdated mechs that should be gone from the game
undone beacon
Everyone is wrong, goblin master race
plush tendon
well, for Warrior D-Stance used to be a talent for arms warrior as a toggle damage reduction option
now its just a toggle for all Warrior specs
and at least its better then boomkins who have to pre bear form to live some mechanics XD
ornate thicket
Haha well yeah rdru does same too. That is sort of design of a shape shift class though and is a very powerful perk. I think with the output dmg reduction being removed from d stance prot will just perma sit in it so its like pointless
merry sluice
ret aurago bye bye me smile
toxic pewter
next they just need to rid us of the abject failure that are the warrior stances
round pendant
Auras are a good way to get some nice class fantasy
They're just bad at designing them to be good
merry sluice
I'm just glad ret aura's gone bc im fucking tired of putting up a key and seeing like 8 ret paladins, or seeing random raid groups flooded with like 5 paladins
crystal iris
any tips for nelth chains boss?
not on what to press, just how to best break chains as a group
merry sluice
coming from a paladin player, I feel like all these fotm paladins are like an invasive species lmfao
crystal iris
should I be running? kite boss? should players break their own chains?
waxen frigate
coming from a paladin player, I feel like all these fotm paladins are like an in...
Ret Paladin is always the most played spec or close to it 
plush tendon
People really like ret
and its a prob the most popular/best melee spec in the current M+ meta
merry sluice
I’m confident in saying a large portion of it is bc, unlike other melees, they’re not heavily punished by the “fuck you” anti-melee mechanics, or garbage hitboxes
You know
For now
Rather than addressing that issue for all melee dps
round pendant
The extra melee range is the main thing
You get time to react to your tank randomly deciding to run off
and keep attacking the mobs
merry sluice
I don’t even think it’s the tank running off
I just think melee combat in this game in general feels bad. Horribly inconsistent hit boxes on trash and bosses, in keys and raid which sometimes makes you have to practically meld with the enemy to hit it, and other times let you sit 50 miles away
Ontop of how many mechanics just force melee down time, or heavy punishment where ranged with half a brain cell can find a place and just plant
round pendant
Forcing melee downtime is a symptom of the tiny melee range
but that is part of what makes ranged classes good though
harsh trellis
should I be running? kite boss? should players break their own chains?
Depending on group makeup and the healer but typically have 2 people bust their chains, wait for debuff and do the 3rd to be safe. No need to run unless someone is trying to break the chain before the debuff
plush tendon
and, unless you have a Rdruid, can be tough to get a bres
ornate thicket
Ret is just so ez to play
ornate thicket
You can put a garbage player on it and still profit. Great choice when you looking for pug dps
plush tendon
especially in that lower key range of 14-16
ornate thicket
Utility of ret is kind of insane too in hands of a good player and its durable as hell
plush tendon
assuming you were playing the meta, people would slot the ret in over the aug in the comp
plush tendon
that sounds actually miserable
I dont think you could run double Spriest
without people just falling over
south zealot
well if you were dropping aug you already conceded doing the highest keys
plush tendon
obviously; the meta is solved
still, for the 18-19 bracket
your group will get punished for having two shadow priests
crystal iris
Depending on group makeup and the healer but typically have 2 people bust their ...
2 chains is a bit sketchy
south zealot
your group will get punished for having two shadow priests
i disagree but okay
plush tendon
go walk into Brackenhide first boss on a 18 Tyran
let me know how many bolts go off and who dies first
south zealot
i dont actually know anything about spriest talents but is there no float point to pickup 30 second kick cd?
plush tendon
they can, but I dont think they run it in their current builds
not sure what they lose
all I know is our shadow priest gets babied in our keys
only job is to do damage
would be hard to have two of those
ornate thicket
Ive never seen a spriest rupt outside of aoe fear lol
Which doesnt work on bosses obviously
south zealot
we established youre doing low keys yesterday
ornate thicket
?
south zealot
day before yesterday? idk
plush tendon
though, tbf, the best key ive done this season was 18 Halls
was still super proud of it though
ornate thicket
You literally just said you didnt know if spriest had a float point to rupt which means you havent noticed them rupting either wtf lol
plush tendon
still, not enough weeks left in the season to make a push for title again... especially with the holiday
south zealot
i meant to get their short kick
ornate thicket
Yeah i know what you said
plush tendon
I will say... doing those spicey pulls at the start of Halls would be a nightmare without a aug
south zealot
priest is quite literally one of the two classes in the game i know literally nothing about
plush tendon
purely for stops on the demo shouts XD
south zealot
its fine just spend 30 minutes on the first area with all the shouts going off
:kekw
fuck
plush tendon
this is the pull we practiced last week
Halls legit one of my favorite keys this season (which is weird to say)
crystal iris
jesus thats rough
plush tendon
theres enough going on in some of the pulls
crystal iris
you did that with prot warr?
harsh trellis
What are you skipping at the end?
plush tendon
no... that VDH only
harsh trellis
Or what are you skipping along the way
crystal iris
ok thats what I thought haha
plush tendon
Warrior... hes just chilling till War Within
crystal iris
probably skipping a bunch of dragons
plush tendon
you skip first and third dragon
south zealot
honestly that trash is easier to tank with warrior than vdh
plush tendon
and pull the middle
plush tendon
honestly that trash is easier to tank with warrior than vdh
100% agreed
its just the stops
south zealot
but theres so many shouts that its so much harder as a group to get stops its much, much safer to have vdh
shut summit
we did that pull with warrior last week on 19, is chaotic but doable
plush tendon
if double sigil was removed going into S4
harsh trellis
OH so you gotta carry a rogue????
plush tendon
I would be playing prot
harsh trellis
how do you skip them?
plush tendon
but you can leap, blink, wild charge, rescue, wrymstone
south zealot
i didnt even realzie the ravagers were real enemies until i played on vdh
harsh trellis
omg
south zealot
you cant invis the dragons
i think u can distract it to the side and walk past the first one
merry sluice
you can do some priest+evo shenanigans, or lock gate through the rock on the left to teh frist dragon, idk why it works.
And u can just shimmy along the rock wall on the right to third w/ someone ccing the pack to make it safer
harsh trellis
they are john cena
merry sluice
they're stealthing too well
plush tendon
we put a key in que and its about 50%-60% ret paladins
and I play with a aug and mage so we only want a Shadow and RDruid
south zealot
ret has always been popular but now its popular and good
south zealot
its still everywhere
kind glen
so many ret pallies
round pendant
I just realised I forgot to switch to HR in my M+ talents after I dropped below 5400 haste
oops
crystal iris
ya they just arent in as many keys
in 14-15s I'd take ret over mage
havent met a good mage
merry sluice
Yeah last hoi i did
south zealot
mage damage isnt very good
plush tendon
Mage is nice cause of the int buff and they do really good prio/cleave
super good on like the last boss in AV where the mage can just hit the boss and the ignite spread is giga
my biggest suprise from this season though is the lack of warlocks
I feel like Destro is a actual menance
south zealot
a lot of the time destro is pad and removes valuable targets for your spriest
plush tendon
yea... everything to make the SPriest is happy
south zealot
in their defense they do the most damage and its not close
plush tendon
you arent wrong... its objectivly the correct play
hoping the mage, shadow, aug combo does presist into War Within though
Im ready for a melee meta again
round pendant
I feel like Broodkeeper's Promise is such a trash trinket
5% of my firends heals, and 45% of that was overheal
feel like literally anything else is better than that
south zealot
you use it to give the vers, no?
round pendant
How much vers does it give? I can't figure out how to have wowhead show the description for a ilvl 428 one lmao
I think it's not even 150 vers?
definitely not even 200
south zealot
no idea
round pendant
Feel like Rashok's Molten Heart is better in every single way
waxen frigate
Rashok has been gutted like 3x over
jagged pier
^
waxen frigate
It’s somehow still good for I think Druids? Or paladins? There’s one spec that still likes it somehow at least in raid
round pendant
oh my friend has Rashok's too
I remember during the season we had HoV, he got that AoE trinket and I actually felt like that did useful stuff sometimes
but these ones are just leaving me feeling like he could have something better
round pendant
Idk what the context really is here
Just M+, I looked at his logs and these trinkets are like sub 5% heales with almost 50% overheal
Holy Priest
waxen frigate
What key level
round pendant
What I want is him to be better at panic healing puggers who step in shit
+8-10s
or just less "wasted" heals in general
crystal iris
hard to heal stupid
crystal iris
healers can play healing trinkets if they want they dont need damage in 10s
and if it saves a key it saves a key
round pendant
Yeah I agree but I can't convince him to dps better he's a boomer
waxen frigate
and if it saves a key it saves a key
A healing trinket also isn’t gonna save a key
crystal iris
Ire is best for sving pugs
round pendant
I somehow managed to get him trying it a bit in a +7 and it actually felt kinda good seeing him do 200k dps on some packs
but he says he doesn't enjoy it lmao
crystal iris
A healing trinket also isn’t gonna save a key
in 10s for sure
waxen frigate
But even then if he’s a boomer he’s not gonna play it well
waxen frigate
in 10s for sure
If you’re bricking a 10 period, trinkets are not the reason
round pendant
It's just people who've played this game since classic as healers seem to hate the idea of "having" to dps
waxen frigate
It's just people who've played this game since classic as healers seem to hate t...
Tanks are the same way
Boomer mindset
crystal iris
like if I see a hunter on last boss of Nok phase 2 gets the circle and doesnt use defensive, easy Ire use to save him
crystal iris
sure you shouldnt have to, but like, ya it might save key
waxen frigate
but in terms of the game and real life i am boomer
Checks out
crystal iris
ya but you pump so its ok
round pendant
I played for one month in wrath and 1 month in cata and then I tanked throughout legion and df
I think I skipped the tanks don't need to dps era
Part of why I like tanking is that I get to pump like a dps and dictate the flow of dungeons and feel stronk
crystal iris
ya it is nice
you make a good point though if your friend doesnt use Ire properly
like you need to predict when someone will take damage and see if they dont have a defensive
and make a macro to use it on others
round pendant
That's not something I can make him do sadly
I like playing with him cause he's a good friend but
outside of trinket recommendations, he won't even take my advice to stop using default nameplates and unit frames (tho he uses healbot)
waxen frigate
Tanks doing a small fraction of a Dps output vs the fraction we do today is probably why
crystal iris
I'd recommend Ire if we can actually use it on players easily
round pendant
Some people just won't budge on their old ways :^(
waxen frigate
But if you can be like 80%+ of a 15th Dps, it’s massive
crystal iris
which a macro using the in game macros will work well
but if not, probably just have him run OCE or whispering incarnate to help group
round pendant
Are those useful on their own or do I need to wear one too lmao
I remember one season people were looking for people that had the icon to fill their groups
s1 I guess it was
round pendant
I wanna use my grieftorch and dreadplates
crystal iris
Or you can have him get rageheart acutally
yaaa thats good
no need for a macro, does passive damage, helps him live
he could run rageheart and tome for damage or OCE/Icon for general purpose
if he really wants a healing trinket i guess rashoks aint terrible
crystal iris
if they run 2 DPS trinkets and people arent taking too much damage then 100-150k
round pendant
jesus
lusty tiger
70-90k is more than enough for a +10 though
round pendant
brother my friend does 20k at most
merry sluice
shoutouts to a nelth i did the other week
lusty tiger
He’s not pressing buttons
merry sluice
where the bholy priest out dpsed the destrolock
round pendant
I asked him what he does during downtime and he's like "what downtime"
round pendant
yeah it's not necessary but I feel like it'd be more fun for him and me if we were just picking up the slack of randoms
plush tendon
some healers really dont like doing dps
being real though, who the fuck knows what healers want
round pendant
less failed keys if it was less of a big deal that each dps player is doing like 50k less dps than they should be because he manages to pump 100k overall lmao
not that I fail many keys
plush tendon
"Oh no, theres nothing to heal" "WTH Blizz! Too much damage"
round pendant
but less miserable keys at least
plush tendon
next to shadow priests and boomkins, healers are next on the whiney chart
round pendant
I think my friends biggest problem is his AWFUL UI
I have to tell him when big damage is incoming sometimes
or when I have something that needs to be dispelled (he fixed this thankfully)
plush tendon
I think my friends biggest problem is his AWFUL UI
having a bad UI really hinders play
merry sluice
restodruid dps is insane, then ig et a random pumping like 10k lmfao
round pendant
also like he panicked because I had a dot on me as I ran out of range but it literally just ran out and he wasn't aware it was gone so idek where he sees peoples debuffs if at all lmao
plush tendon
dude, good RDruids will pre ramp and be in kitty while the damage thing is happening
I did a AV with a druid and during the last boss intermission he was in cat but no ones health was moving
was a absolute chad
round pendant
I feel like the bar to do even mildly ok damage is so low though
so idk why they refuse
you can basically always pump some damage at the start of every pull, people don't just start instantly dying
especially when all kicks, ccs, etc are up
merry sluice
"that's the dps job"
and its so stupid
but i've seen sooo many tanks in raid do the same thing
and then complaion they lose aggro while pumping their 4% parses
plush tendon
so idk why they refuse
boomers from a simplier time when the rotation was 'flash heal-> jump to cancel cast cause healing not needed/finish cast'
round pendant
and then complaion they lose aggro while pumping their 4% parses
Yeah this is classic
merry sluice
i knew a warrior who kept losing aggro to my paladin
bc dude was just spamming whirlwind, and he ragequit thje guild whjen I pointed it out
round pendant
I've only met a couple co-tanks in pugs that do decent damage
merry sluice
mythic terros btw
round pendant
most of them are doing half the damage I do
plush tendon
I mean... most guilds would have just kicked him after looking through logs
round pendant
They never let you pull first either :)
south zealot
I mean... most guilds would have just kicked him after looking through logs
u think most guilds can afford to kick players lol
especially tanks
merry sluice
I mean... most guilds would have just kicked him after looking through logs
most...
...most woukld've have
he was friends with the officer so guess who got kicked in retaliation
round pendant
bc dude was just spamming whirlwind, and he ragequit thje guild whjen I pointed ...
Wait, what? as a tank?
merry sluice
🙂
south zealot
they can barely get 20 people together to even show up to raid
merry sluice
Wait, what? as a tank?
yes
round pendant
HUH
merry sluice
I am ina new guild now fro a reason
plush tendon
u think most guilds can afford to kick players lol
sorry, was thinking mythic guilds
limpid ruin
I mean... most guilds would have just kicked him after looking through logs
I might have to test this
round pendant
I had to google to make sure whirlwind was even a skill we can use because it's literally not even on my bars
plush tendon
I might have to test this
round pendant
as a prot
round pendant
Most of the bad warriors I've met are just not pressing buttons often enough
or they treat IP like a defensive
So they're just perma 100 rage
merry sluice
he was presisng buttons but they were entirely randoma nd wrong
round pendant
also not pressing Demo or Avatar on cd
round pendant
he *was* presisng buttons but they were entirely randoma nd wrong
Yeah that takes a special kind of brain
round pendant
lmao
limpid ruin
Shield block is cringe imo anyway
merry sluice
but its fine, i've found a new guild and its gone waaay b etter lmfao
merry sluice
He wanted threat
you right, forgot about the 5 invisible adds on terros he was also picking up with thunderclap and revenge
dusky canopy
merry sluice
mythic no less
dusky canopy
That’s very bad then lmao
round pendant
Officer perks fr
I've regularly had people compliment my dps because I'm a tank (or people shitting on dps players for doing less than me) in pug heroic raids
and I'm just there like
..I'm not even good
imagine if nome or someone was in there
they'd have an aneurysm
merry sluice
but yeah, i got a bit more tangenty than i meant.
I see the "allergic to DPSing" from tanks too x.x
round pendant
The thing is in m+ 10s I feel like if you're relying on the healer to do damage, it's already joever
The difference in how a key feels with good dps players vs green/grey parsers is insane
I just want my friend to dps a bit more to smooth that out just a liiiittle bit
My dream is to have a run where everyone is doing like top 5% percentile dps
merry sluice
idk how i could stand to not try and dps while healing
bc like sop bnoring when i dont have to do something lol
round pendant
Idek what he does when people aren't stepping in shit
like yeah you have to heal when the group wide stuff comes out but other than then?
merry sluice
that's like
the one damn thing I felt was right about ff14 healing
round pendant
I might try healing beyond just disc priest
tho I might ruin my friendship if I become good at holy priest in a week versus his 20 years
Well that sounds rude, he's not bad at healing
waxen cradle
I have pulled off of quite a few tanks before even when they were well into there rotation, but after looking at what there opener was and used casts were, I instantly knew why it happened. What commonly happened to me in the past is I rip threat and get accused of taunting, and told to stop taunting at the wrong time lol
Every single time I will tell them to look at my casts and to look at there's, and 9/10 times they are like oh ok yeah I made a mistake. Every now and then I get that one guy that is like " There is no way your pulling" and get pissed. In which case I just do it again and prove them wrong
round pendant
I had an argument with some guy over it in a pug because he started bitching to the raid leader
he was like NO U SPOT WRONG TIME
tryna get me kicked
looked at the meters and he's doing literally 35k dps
waxen cradle
Yeah in that case its a get good situation for them, and not your fault at all
merry sluice
a big one i noticed when aggro is lost (and evne had low dps tanks hold aggro off me sitll by following it properly) is just using the right buttons when they taunt
I feel like a lot of rando tanks dont realize what taunt actually does beyond "enemy hit me now"
round pendant
I feel like I could press nothing but shield slam and still keep aggro vs these people tho
lmao
merry sluice
probably
i've seen, when looking over logs. alot of 'lost aggro instances' to be weird empty gcds right after taunting, or sending big dps buttons like 3 seconds before taunting
same for poor openers when they start on the boss
just not taking advantage of taunt's +300% threat
cerulean tusk
Always wondered, is that additive or multiplicative with other threat mods?
Not that is matters, in practise, just curious
waxen cradle
I mean I don't try to rip threat from other tanks and cause issues, but if it happens from my normal rotation then they may need to look at there own level of play. Unfortunately for me in pugs that seldom is the case as the other tank assumes I taunted. Its unfortunate as I dont go around trying to cause problems where there isn't one.
I mean I even had a raid lead kick me from a pug raid because the other tank convinced him I was taunting and simply would not believe otherwise. They kicked me even after it happened on literally 6 or so bosses in a row. I mean I even apologized for causing a disturbance to the raid and I was fine with him removing me.
round pendant
Oh yeah here's this gold too
Is there a way I can post a chatlog without it spamming the entire screen?
waxen cradle
screen snip it
cerulean tusk
Well, most casual tanks are taken by suprise - and as such, believes it was a taunt as a natural reaction.
Pretty sure you already discussed it, so, my only add is this:
See it from their side, and be understanding that they get confused.
9/10 cases, they go "oh" and you say "Dont worry, I will hold back next pull" and it is all fine
cerulean tusk
Is there a way I can post a chatlog without it spamming the entire screen?
(shift+windows+s)
round pendant
It has a link in it :^(
also 4k screen so screenshots are huge anyway lmao
But yeah, this was great
I got legitimately annoyed this guy was trying to gaslight me
This was after some back and forth of him blaming me hence my annoyance at the start
cerulean tusk
The classic ego-defence move, when that happens - just say: "Sorry my bad", then /w the RL asking for him to find a replacement.
waxen cradle
@cerulean tusk Yeah agreed completely that's why I was saying I don't go around trying to cause problems. If I go to hard to fast then I have no problem slowing down on the next pull as otherwise I would feel I was trying to be a jerk.
round pendant
The classic ego-defence move, when that happens - just say: "Sorry my bad", then...
iirc he was in the same guild as the rl
hence the "we literally carrying you"
cerulean tusk
Well, then you whisper the RL either way, and it is up to him to reason with his friend.
If he cant, you simply leave.
Aint nobody got time for that
round pendant
Well, most casual tanks are taken by suprise - and as such, believes it was a ta...
I will not hold back my dps
cerulean tusk
You should when needed
round pendant
It's only needed because they don't know how to play the game
not to mention just assuming the other person taunted is also being bad at the game
cerulean tusk
Doesn't matter, you are doing a bad play, a missplay if you will, if you are overagroing knowingly and it is easily avoidable.
I get where you are coming from, but you are thinking in a counterproductive way.
round pendant
Nah I won't enable people who are straight up bad at the game and toxic about it
obviously I won't pop grieftorch if I feel it'll yoink aggro before he takes his tankbuster
At the start of pulls tho? there's really no excuse to get mad that I stole aggro before any mechanics came out and then accuse me of doing something (taunting) instead of understanding the situation yourself
cerulean tusk
Then you just leave the group then and there - if you dont want to play by the rules set to tank with your co-tank, and you cant get him replaced. The best option is to leave and go again.
But if you start the "I am not holding DPS" argument, you already lost to tilt.
round pendant
I'm pretty sure you're in the minority here in believing the solution is to hold back on dpsing
cerulean tusk
Even so, it is the best solution to the scenario you presented with.
round pendant
Yes the correct solution is to leave or tell the cotank to just let me go first instead
But ime the second option just tilts them
They just start spite taunting and all sorts of shit to fuck you over lmao
cerulean tusk
Exactly why you just leave.
round pendant
If it's something like the final boss and I'm bashing my ahead against the wall trying to get curve with puggers
I'll be more lenient
but this was.. smolderon
south zealot
me when ppl saw warrior is bad bc no self healing
waxen cradle
The way I try and look at is is like this. If I notice the other tank simply is not very good at the tank they are playing, or if they are on a alt, or maybe if they are significantly less geared than me then I will hold back to try and prevent causing issues because it simply wastes my time and everyone else's also. If the situation cannot be rectified by me holding back for longer or slowing my dps then it that case I cut my losses, whisper the raid lead to discuss things or I simply leave the raid.
cerulean tusk
me when ppl saw warrior is bad bc no self healing
First pull and boss without a healer, eh? big dam
south zealot
First pull and boss without a healer, eh? big dam
whole key
cerulean tusk
Whole key, I like it
south zealot
busted for what purpose
cerulean tusk
Aug is still aug, a great one is alright, a great one you work with is strong. Just a rando aug is just trash
round pendant
just making keys ezpz like they did when they came out
I heard they got some nerfs?
south zealot
they still help your team live and still have good stops
cerulean tusk
And great dam amp for windows
velvet knot
An aug is only as good as your teammates.
merry sluice
was waiting on key holder to unafk
no ready check, no "im back"
dude jsut sends the eky in raw while i was tpying here so i have to panic alttab back
funtimes
cerulean tusk
Just PuG things
velvet knot
dude jsut sends the eky in raw while i was tpying here so i have to panic alttab...
wheeze
merry sluice
😬
waxen cradle
_>
looks to see if people believe me
@merry sluice Yeah fun times when that happens, my experience is PuG keys that start that way end bad for me
waxen frigate
Aug is still aug, a great one is alright, a great one you work with is strong. J...
Except that’s not at all what launch aug was
torn gulch
me when ppl saw warrior is bad bc no self healing
i've just seen the video of it that is actually insane
doing a 20 AA with no healer and a prot warrior is actually crazy to me
so all the healing requirements got covered by ret and shadow ofhealling with the aug dr
and they almost timed AV 21 as well with the same comp
south zealot
i've just seen the video of it that is actually insane
do you have a link
im pretty sure ppl were saying earlier in the season 19 was the cap for prot warrior as well and now 20s are being done without a healer on prot warrior
like ok
torn gulch
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2187205332
timestamp around 2h:28 to 2h:58
south zealot
oooh thought it was on youtube i didnt see
torn gulch
with the timestamps you should have no problems
south zealot
wait wtf they just pugged a priuest and aug LMAO
south zealot
damn yeah they were like a minute and a half off
ish
even if they lived on last boss
torn gulch
seeing keys like this reinforces my view that the wow community at large has the collective IQ of a frozen termometer
south zealot
no but the arcane intellect buffs healer so you need mage
otherwise group dies
need aoe stops from dh or group dies
torn gulch
and these guys do it WITHOUT a healer and without vdh crutch
god vdh being nerfed will expose so many people next season
i'm ready with my popcorn
humble schooner
VDH has caused mind rot
torn gulch
i can imagine casters mass failing in the first couple of weeks on the next season until they get used to the new normal
torn gulch
the scaling won't stay like that
i can easily see they bringing back 8% instead of 10% per level past 10
dusky canopy
Yes but the 12 affix bumps hp and dam by 20%
torn gulch
and toning down what happens at +12
dusky canopy
So it’s like a wall kinda
humble schooner
I'm actually fine with them keeping all the values what they are, going from a 11 to a 12 will be quite a jump, but also weed out the bad players
dusky canopy
It just means that the highest keys completed will be lower
torn gulch
and it does not affect the rewards to be honest
dusky canopy
And also the barely hitting top 1% players will no longer be able to do it
dusky canopy
And also the barely hitting top 1% players will no longer be able to do it
Sorta
I wonder how the scaling will ramp up with that bump at 12
Does that mean a 15 or 16 now is going to actually be like a 19 or 20?
humble schooner
more or less
torn gulch
i think we're talking around 2 levels
humble schooner
the 20% affix is basically adding two levels
torn gulch
difference
dusky canopy
Ok so it’s just a flat increase to the base percentages
So it won’t ramp harshly every level
humble schooner
I think 10s will be a shock to most groups, with both tyrannical and fortified enabled
dusky canopy
Probably yeah but depends if they tune everything to assume both now
humble schooner
getting portals will actually be 'work' so to speak
dusky canopy
I’ll probably just do all 11s or 12s again and call it a day
Makes getting into weekly 10s easier as a pug
I did the top 1% once pugging but now I’m hooked on the raiding drug
I will say the TWW dungeons are awesome though! Might have a change of mind at some point
torn gulch
the only dungeon i did not like in testing was siege
for next season
there are just parts of it that just aren't it
dusky canopy
They all have the bolstered mob goggles on lmao
That place was horrible
Remember the damn monkey area!?
Ffs
torn gulch
that doesn't even work anymore
the trash before first boss is so bad
at least you brick the key early
kekw
torn gulch
15s per death with that trash will make a lot of siege keys short
elder cosmos
Siege of boralus has to be one of the mythic+ dungeons of all time
I was genuinely surprised they picked that
torn gulch
one of the worst yes
elder cosmos
Because it's fucking dog shit
dusky canopy
Siege of boralus has to be one of the mythic+ dungeons of all time
Worst* yes
merry sluice
ty for reminding me how gross -15 seconds per death is
ty for reminding me how gross the dungeon pool enxt season is
tribal wharf
it would be a total nightmare if we had to do SoB (seige) with horde start and 15s per death :S
cuz, sharks
elder cosmos
How was grim batol on the beta
tribal wharf
and ya, dont go in water
torn gulch
i was actually thinking of the undermine leaks for 11.1 if that happens there is a pretty big chance we see motherlode in season 2 of tww
elder cosmos
Do you still do that dragon riding part?
tribal wharf
been saying this shit since bfa, all of us lol
lusty grotto
How was grim batol on the beta
its one of the best ones
torn gulch
Do you still do that dragon riding part?
yes
elder cosmos
its one of the best ones
Idk if that's good or bad lol
torn gulch
but the grim batol rework is pretty good
lusty grotto
Idk if that's good or bad lol
its good
elder cosmos
Nice
tribal wharf
but it legimately made siege rough for some groups
dusky canopy
Yeah grims cool
tribal wharf
why didnt grim batol show up in dragonflight i wonde?
torn gulch
i think the worst dungeons were at least for me dawnbreaker and siege
tribal wharf
grim batol ultimately is all about dragons
dusky canopy
Dragons what!?
elder cosmos
I mean that's the thing - everyone knew siege was gonna be trash because it was trash before
tribal wharf
creating new ones an taming the existing ones of area for .... ?
elder cosmos
So why the fuck pick that one lol
dusky canopy
“Flavor”
lusty grotto
nobody picked it
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
that was blizzard's decision
elder cosmos
nobody picked it
Blizzard did...
lusty grotto
there wasnt a poll
tribal wharf
eggs at end, u fly on a dragon at a fire breating dragon at very start
2 or 3 bosses are dragons
elder cosmos
Lol clearly I meant blizzard choosing it as picking it...
tribal wharf
many elites are dragons
dusky canopy
Your moms a dragon
tribal wharf
or dragon related, one is a warlock fucker that heals that dragon
lusty grotto
ok then let me ask John Blizzard why he picked it
elder cosmos
ok then let me ask John Blizzard why he picked it
That's mr John blizzard to you buddy
lusty grotto
nah, hes my dad
elder cosmos
nah, hes my dad
Oh shit
dusky canopy
Hey John! Wt actual f is your problem bro
lusty grotto
its John Blizzard, sir
elder cosmos
Well my dad is mr John Activision so my dad will diee your dad
dusky canopy
Siege of boralas SMH
elder cosmos
Fire*
lusty grotto
good!
elder cosmos
Lol
lusty grotto
grandpa John Microsoft might have something to say about it though
elder cosmos
grandpa John Microsoft might have something to say about it though
Hahahaha
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
I still think music is probably arguably best part of video gaming or tied for top place, imagine your 10 years old and you pop in a game this is the music that plays lvl 1
tribal wharf
nah, its just a yt >mp3 website, aint payin for YT premo
lusty grotto
no
dusky canopy
Sounds like something a virus would say
lusty grotto
indeed
elder cosmos
tribal wharf
now that, thats a virus
elder cosmos
Wasn't that the bad guy from reboot lol
tribal wharf
ya, him and booba lady but the same evil
elder cosmos
I always hated that show cuz I thought it was awful but you had to sit through it for dragon ball z next lol
tribal wharf
reboot is a show for gigachads
source trust me i made it the fuck up, still true though
elder cosmos
Facts
waxen frigate
@tribal wharf
tribal wharf
i am canadian after all so i get the best of both worlds growing up both american and UK technology and tv shows
Into Sandy's City.mp3
need i say more? everyone whos a gamer knows precisely what im talking about
elder cosmos
The good ole days of windows 95 gaming
elder cosmos
All of my computer knowledge pre college came from tinkering with our garbage family PC to try and get it to run games lol
velvet knot
I timed it and i got to do the funny reflect thing.
lusty grotto
why are you even doing those
arent you done with heroic fights?
its not like anything he drops is good and/or not bought with bullions
round pendant
achieves ye
lusty grotto
well idk why you said oh god, sark is easier than razs
round pendant
You think?
round pendant
my time killing sark in s2 was more miserable than raz
round pendant
90% of my pug attempts don't even get past phase 1 lmao
lusty grotto
well
it may have something to do with
the season being over
and having been over
if you desperately want a kill sign up for perky pug runs or something idk
lusty grotto
mastery what
mastery isnt bad
why would you say its garbage
ALL STATS ARE GOOD
are you gonna say no to free stats?
plus windfury
devout basalt
Ofc not just compared to haste and crit
lusty grotto
so?
are you gonna opt out of the buff because it has mastery?
or something?
if mastery is so bad, why are we using BSL to max dps
think about it
round pendant
the season being over
Am talking about s2
This is my first time at sark this patch
sonic terrace
new to prot. is there no BIS shield? for m+ (m+ only person here)
lusty grotto
bis shield is the highest ilvl shield you can get
crystal mauve
new to prot. is there no BIS shield? for m+ (m+ only person here)
BIS Shield is highest ilvl you can get as simple as this. Stats don’t matter as much
sonic terrace
oh okay cool tyty
crystal mauve
In case you have two max ilvl shield you take whatever might balance you stats but it’s so marginal you shouldn’t worry about it at all 🙂
@lusty grotto ☺️
sonic terrace
is it better to craft the shield with haste vers stats. atm i have no shield lol
crystal mauve
If you have no shield and a spare spark/crest sure but I would go for haste/crit ideally
merry sluice
BIS shield is high ilvl you can get, it doens't matter the stats.
Sorry Nimchip
lusty grotto
ilvl is supremely important on shields, do not sleep on it, its our biggest defensive upgrade since our main mit is shield block, and you cant get block anywhere else
sonic terrace
ah ok didnt look at stats yet i just got my doti trink and wep and bullion stuff
lusty grotto
and with more ilvls, you get more block
sonic terrace
also which is great becasue i have extra gear from not selling stuff
sonic terrace
got all the rings and oce i was gonna get the shield neck and shield to buy next 2 weeks
lusty grotto
do you have gholak?
sonic terrace
yea
sonic terrace
any cd to macro together or nah?
lusty grotto
not recommended
there is one, pinned
but if you dont understand (or read) how to use it, it can cause you to rage starve
sonic terrace
like i understand it but i dont UNDERSTAND it lol
lusty grotto
then dont use it
sonic terrace
ill get more into it the more i learn.. atm im short 4 keybinds lol
lusty grotto
nothing you can do to resolve that
macroing is bad
inefficient and ineffective, it'll hurt your play
sonic terrace
the macro?
lusty grotto
macroing, in general
sonic terrace
ah yea