protection

[pallid quiver]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YbtqmHGV4K1XfZM3#fight=last&type=casts&source=21

This is just a quick random attempt at logging a go at the tank dummy, though I had ST raid talents on as a heads up, so there's technically more execute than usual, but this is just like a random show of roughly what your cast breakdowns should look like if you're not even thinking at all. When I saw this message when I finished fixing up my bike, I just booted up the game, ran to dummy, and started just pressing buttons like this. I wasn't even planning on hitting defensive CDs like Shield Wall/LS but like

i just did because i just recognized "oh hurt cast button press" out of the corner of my eye while looking at phone/discord/room

Damage done will be technically off iirc since the dummy runs out of HP to deal damage to, but

And casts would be a bit lower than in dungeon/raid proper since you can't have full ITF stacks on just tank dummy alone

[crystal iris]

#justDPSthings

[remote tusk]

mfw Pocket Anvil doesn't actually function as an Anvil

[hardy snow]

yea, cake anvil is a lie

[merry sluice]

Im pretty sure the only time I had my MDT linked checked when shared

Was just some trash Aug whining about me going left in atal last season lol

[zealous narwhal]

question for a begginer prot war: which affects more ignore pain as in making it absorb more: versatillity or mastery? , thanks

[round pendant]

Why? You shouldn't be trying to optimise IP at all it sucks (as a defensive)

IP is rage dump

[lusty grotto]

versa, but it doesnt matter cause IP is just a rage dump and not your main mitigation

like yam said

focus on shield block, not ignore pain

just did a 14 with 3 ragnaros gods

hpal, hdh and ret pally

fucking blasted the key like nothing

also compliments

literal gods

its too bad it was only a 14 but alas

[zealous narwhal]

Oh i see , so in terms of stats for m+ i should always prio vers over mastery

[lusty grotto]

read the pins

the last pin, or the wowhead/icy veins guides

[zealous narwhal]

Alright thanks

[lusty grotto]

stats' contribution to IP does not matter at all

IP is NOT your main mit

Shield block is

so do not focus on it at all

[zealous narwhal]

I understand ,thanks .

So keeping shiled block up as much as possible is a prio

[plush tendon]

keeping Shield Block up is really easy

it also buffs Shield Slam dam by 30%

the main goal of Prot War is to A) Keep SB up B) Generate lots of rage C) Spend rage

IP is great for spending rage cause its off the GCD

and you just want to send your CDs as often as possible since anger management and the wall talents refund cooldown on those abilties the more rage you spend

[zealous narwhal]

Yeah i made 2 macros for ip with shield slam and one with shield block

[plush tendon]

I wouldnt do the second one

you macro SS to IP

the reason is that IP has a very high chance to reset SS

and it lets you get insta SS off if you proc when you IP

[lusty grotto]

not IP, devastator but it'll snipe shield slam resets

the goal of that macro is to do that

[plush tendon]

my bad

[lusty grotto]

its not intended to be used to shield slam

i believe thats in the pins as well

[plush tendon]

I cant read

[lusty grotto]

not you lol

im just telling Arwand

[zealous narwhal]

Will check pins shortly

[plush tendon]

the big stepping stone I had to make with Prot War is just being really liberal with your Shield Wall usage

unless you need to hold onto it for something

it may be a "4 min cd', but if playing correctly and spending lots of rage, its more like a 1 min

[strong forum]

Just send it on pull/whilst gathering with basically every pack

Unless you know you will need it for something specific

[merry sluice]

yooooo
big man evoker out here with 1 kick throughout the entirity of a neltharus

[lusty grotto]

what about stops

[merry sluice]

nop

watched 6 deaths before first boss bc no soothe and no cc ;D

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[zealous goblet]

YTA, kill the gf, marry the trashbag, uhh raise 9 kids

reddit gold

amitheasshole has to be a karma farm sub right?

no way even 10% of those posts are real

[merry sluice]

"my wife stole the kids, killed my dog, divorced me 5 times, and moved to cambodia, aita for crying" type posts on there

[zealous goblet]

i came across a legendary group doing a 14 halls

it made me cry, i let them down

i was lagging so bad during the key, but we timed it with like 4 seconds left. the ccs going out were beautiful

[zealous goblet]

fellas, i've never checked, and can't check now

is there a difference on going left instead of right at halls of infusion, before the first boss?

the giant circle

[strong forum]

different mobs

[zealous goblet]

i've always gone left

[strong forum]

and on the left side theres the fail safe console

[zealous goblet]

i imagined so, but are they easier?

[strong forum]

granting everyone a free cheat

[strong forum]

no but more count

[zealous goblet]

on the left or right?

[strong forum]

left

[zealous goblet]

ah

i don't even pull the extra shit though

my route is literally just no skips or anything. i know you can skip one of the drake packs by jumping around the rocks, but i've never tried experimenting, and don't really feel like doing lower keys to do so

[strong forum]

not required on weekly keys

but if you go higher, you kinda want to

cuz you dont want anybody committing CDs JSUT before the hardest boss of the dungeon

[zealous goblet]

i did a 14 today, we finished with 3 seconds left and i was lagging my ass off

[strong forum]

including yourself

[zealous goblet]

i ate a hailstorm

and survived

[strong forum]

ya

can survive that with a CD up

oh you mean hailstorm

ya that hits for even less

than glacial surge

i willingly tested to see if you can survive glacial surge with spellblock up

you can, but it drops you to like 30% HP on 14 tyr

[zealous goblet]

but anyways, would that pack on the left be enough to make up for the drake pack that can be skipped? probably not, right? that drake is like 4%. where would i need to make up?

[strong forum]

nah

you need to pull 3 extra packs

iirc

[zealous goblet]

so like, probably the weird of fhallway before the stor mand fire miniboss?

[strong forum]

which you can easily do at the circle in first room

[zealous goblet]

oh

[strong forum]

you just pull 5 packs as first pull

then 2 packs after that

then combine 3 packs again

and you should be at first boss

[zealous goblet]

huh, smart, i might try it. might not. i imagine on tyran it's not as big of a problem as fort to pull drakes

i'd like to do the other 14s before i loop back around and try a 15

[strong forum]

basically you pull everything when you enter except the first pack on the right

https://i.imgur.com/H7dJBNc.png

you can opt to pull the last pack before the boss in aswell

or just chain it in once the orbs are dead

or pull that pack ontop of boss

once the orbs are dead

[zealous goblet]

that's wicked faith to put into pugs, i usually do this in like, 5 pulls. i break 1 into 2, and 3's first pack and the one to boss into two

[strong forum]

why

[zealous goblet]

people keep dying to expulses while my kicks are down >:(

[strong forum]

yeah so

hold your CC for orbs

Orbs are LITERALLY the only thing

that matters in those pulls

[zealous goblet]

aye

[strong forum]

everything else does 0 dmg

[zealous goblet]

i'm not disagreeing, it just seems rough in pug keys

and it's making me sad

[strong forum]

idk

havent had those issues

[zealous goblet]

they yell at me for pulling too big

[strong forum]

in my pug keys

NA is weird

[zealous goblet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

maybe it's just my luck

maybe i'm the problem

all i know is i've been doing smaller and smaller pulls as i climb up out of annoyance of kick managment

across the board

the problem i have right now is i'm not educated in what most classes do so i'm not sure what expectations and stuff to form

so i oughta sit down one night and read up on that

i still don't even know lust cd

[strong forum]

depends on class

but also

lust CD is usually indicated by the "sated" debuff

which is 10 minutes, you cant gain benefit from a lust buff while this debuff is active

[neat crow]

I looked in the pins for this but can't seem to find it

[merry sluice]

the macro?

#protection message

its in the middle of this, it might not show up in the menu preview if you're on mobile bc discord app sux

[royal kelp]

does anyone know if there's a way to see how much damage granyth's enduring scale does in details? a few of us have tried to find it and nobody can?

[cyan bronze]

@strong forum

how are you not having people just die to beam

like no beam goes thru

i have ppl die to beam usually on gather while i do this

on 16 fort we're just splitting it cus its the only pull we die to

maybe u have to do it on real keys for time and just have to send more cds on gather i guess

[violet ginkgo]

I dunno about that scale because we never use it.
Most popular defensive trinket this seasons are
Bullion: Dreadplate, All-totem, and Rageheart
Non-Bullion: Treemouth, Cheatdeath from DOTI (I forgot the name, something scale too)

[fresh stone]

you're not the only one who splits that room up in smaller pulls. in pugs people barely can control the interupts when its 1-2 groups at a time. that just looks like madness pulling 1/3rd of the room at once. and you gotta factor in people dodging that jump move the other mobs do. better to be safe

[neat crow]

Ah yep I was reading on mobile, will grab it later

[zealous goblet]

are we.. sure that the two buillion rings are bis?

:(

IT ROLLED LEECH, IT'S SO SEXY

god tests me every day

no meme, wouldn't it be worth considering over the bullion ring that does fire damage tho?

[jagged pier]

thats not worth it is anyway

its not even a myth track ring

and even if it was

does that ring have stats and a secondary effect?

the answer is no

so it still not better

[merry sluice]

leech is never gonna beat statbudget and ilvl

Its just wow's way of rubbing salt in your wound that your BiS ring isn't haste

i also had the same ring drop leech

three. fucking. times. ina row x.x

[remote tusk]

At least you can save one of them for the mount ig.

[zealous goblet]

it just makes me sad because i had a 1.3k haste ring or w/e before i got bullion

so i feel a gap in my soul

a void never to be filled

[violet ginkgo]

it will be filled

with haste from other equipments

[zealous goblet]

no

not at the same level

[plush path]

hey

is cataclysmic signe t brand worth using?

i currently have rageheart + dread

[blazing condor]

its good if you can keep it up

meaning maintaining the stacks on it

[plush path]

should i change dread for anvil or bromach for ouboreal

[violet ginkgo]

why would you want volcoross necklace though? you like losing 1,5k haste?

Cataclysmic is nice for raid content, so you can anvil plus that and keep stacking up, sure the fight could be short but even some fight at heroic could be long because of the designed mech.

[south zealot]

chabge neither

chabge

change

[merry sluice]

If your level of keys need something more defensively skewed then you can go dresdplate. If you don’t find yourself needing that, then anvil is still a top tier DPS trinket if you’re good at keeping stacks

(Misread the order of trinkets but their uses still remain. Wouldn’t go out your way to replace in for dungeons)

[south zealot]

whats your 2nd trinket

oh rageheart

replace rageheart before you replace dreadplates

[merry sluice]

Ourboreal neck is trash. It’s only a purchase if you need ilvl upgrade.

[plush path]

idk wht to buy and i have 2 bullions

[drifting juniper]

man i wish indomitable overhealing would become a barrier on us

even for half value

[remote tusk]

what is gear

[frosty tide]

Do we have to take Rend in our talent tree?

Do we actually use Rend in our rotation?

[round pendant]

Rend gets applied by Thunder Clap (only if you have Rend & Blood and Thunder specced)

So yes you need rend specced

but you don't put it on your bars

[blazing condor]

we take rend but we dont use rend like yam said

just have it and use TC

[frosty tide]

Oh ok

[cinder nova]

They just nerfed it, too.

[urban portal]

They nerfed only leech from talents I think

Not from gear

[cinder nova]

Nah it's gear too.

Rating provides about half as much.

[cinder nova]

Reduced the percentage granted by Avoidance and Leech rating by 50%.

Unless they do a huge 180 this is gonna be what we're walking into.

[urban portal]

Oh that’s long time ago

[fickle tundra]

Whats the mistake on all the high io prot warriors wearing the rageheart + stonescale combo?

[grim pilot]

Mistake?

Stonescales are good in high keys

Because even if it proccs once in every few keys

It still likely saves you a full wipe

And rageheart is just an „oh shit” trinket

Treemouth gives you bigger + better absorb but iirc can kill you

[blazing condor]

at the top key levels you more or less need to use those kind of defensive trinkets

there comes a point where things hit so hard youd need cheat death

that or you plan pulls around its use to be able to time

[pallid quiver]

Rageheart also deals damage to you, for the record

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

treemouth wont kill you unless youre doing RLP last boss and use it before getting dispelled

thats the only caveat

[fickle tundra]

Makes sense. But why, then, keep it still now when we are swimming in bullions.

[lusty grotto]

because the season doesnt matter

and you cant buy treemouth with bullions

they have more important trinkets to juggle too like manic for totem bosses etc

even VDH discord recommends treemouth over rageheart

and so does their wowhead/IV guides

also if you bought something day 1 of the season, you might as well use it yea?

also

here is a big one

Not-even-close doesnt have treemouth in it for calcs

and they use that extensively for big ass keys

notice how there's no treemouth? the calculations for it would be a big problem for ortemis

this is for rank 1 keys

and everyone else follows even though they dont need not-even-close calcs

[fickle tundra]

Yeah, not even close shows me I can survive anything on 16. However, Im still working on my 14-15s as tank.

[lusty grotto]

you

dont need

not-even-close

youre not doing 22s

[south zealot]

yeah i am

[fickle tundra]

Need, no. Informative and useful for learning, yes.

[lusty grotto]

????

[fickle tundra]

Like, whatever is tracked on not even close are things to look after as tank anyways.

[lusty grotto]

did you skip what i just mentioned about it?

[pallid quiver]

Bold of you to assume I don't need it at like +12s for my Shaman smh

[fickle tundra]

Yes, as I wrote. The actual use of the site says "yeah youll survive all" so its not useful in that sense.
But the list of things to "check if youll survive" is nonetheless very informative.

[lusty grotto]

why would you use something that has invalid results

and includes 0 spell block

and no treemouth

its for 20+ keys

its not for you

[fickle tundra]

I feel you are not reading what im writing

[lusty grotto]

its not for me

it adds nothing

[fickle tundra]

The list of high dmg mechanics/casts to "check survivability" is interesting.

[lusty grotto]

i mean i guess if youre working on 13s and you dont know what can kill you

which is kinda rough

[pallid quiver]

I think he also means for the sake of checking dps soecs, too

[lusty grotto]

because at that point you should know

[pallid quiver]

It can help to know what they'll dir to

[lusty grotto]

🤷

we're in #protection

why would we care about dps

the role, not our damage that one is important at least

[fickle tundra]

Lemme put it this way:
Being that there's no single place to go learn "how to tank m+ as prot warrior", getting info from several places is the way to go

For me.

[lusty grotto]

the best way to get info is to run the key

[fickle tundra]

Im also quite late in the game so everyone asumes you should know everything

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of DPS specs benefit heavily from rally in order to survive, and having your dps live instead of die is beneficial for timing a key

[lusty grotto]

you cant babysit dps

[pallid quiver]

Shamans are of note to me as I play one, and their defensive suite is

Less than preferable for over time cases

[lusty grotto]

and rally is not for everything listed there, given its cd

theres also the huge caveat where some of those abilities are stoppable

because it does not list only boss abilities

[pallid quiver]

It's most notable for those cases on boss abilities. You will sometimes just need to help out the group or they'll just die depending on your comp. Like, you can generally expect a Mage to be fine, but not all classes are privileged and have CDs up for everytime they have to take an unavoidable mech. It's why it's worth tracking party memeber defensive CDs for us since we do have a button to use that can determinsitically help someone live; it's not babysitting at that point. That's actual team play.

[lusty tiger]

It’s def good to know rally for “boss ability” or “spec” dies

[lusty grotto]

maybe i shouldn't have mentioned not-even-close to begin with

nobody here does the level of keys that its used for, including me

[fickle tundra]

Its been my experience so far that I can gage the size of pulls depending on how first pull of dungeon goes.

One thing tho, like 99% of mages dont use defensives are are squishier than shamans.

[fickle tundra]

I think I get your gist but, I insist, that list of high dmg abilities/mechs on not even close was very helpful for me.

Also threechest.io routes, even if its basically just beginner routes and vdh huge pulls

[lusty grotto]

threechest is better than keystone.guru

cause it preserves MDT

ive basically replaced 2nd monitor routes glancing on keystone.guru with it

for a while now

[fickle tundra]

It took me a few days to understand that those "Expert" sample routes are like PLTP from raider.io (a vdh stronghold)

[wind prawn]

Hey Nimchip, looking for some advice. A few days ago we were talking about my prot dps and how i had all my priorities wrong. I finllay got a log for you and it still looks like tcalp is my highest damageing spell even though i believei am hitting SS on CD. Mind taking a look at this and see if you can tell anything obvious about why SS is not my #1 damage?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrCG1234MV9QvRPN#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrCG1234MV9QvRPN#fight=last&type=casts&source=5 youre not hitting SS every reset

CPM should be 15+ on SS

ideally

[wind prawn]

CPM is cast per minute?

[lusty grotto]

yes

you have 4400 haste rating btw

why are you using ITF

oh nevermind

youre not

good, that was a trick question

lol jk im dumb and didnt check talents

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt need expert routes for anything under 15 btw

weekly keys routes are more than enough, everyone should be geared enough

also i dont use threechest routes either, i just import from MDT

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrCG1234MV9QvRPN#fight=last&type=resources&source=5&spell=101 also youre rage starving yourself, not using SS enough will factor into it, but youre spamming IP for no reason

[wind prawn]

I am spamming IP to just dump range

rage*

[lusty grotto]

use IP only above 60-70 rage

[wind prawn]

what else shoudl i be doing with it?

Buy you are 100% correct i am spamming it bevcause I don't want to over cap rage 🙂

[lusty grotto]

compare these 2

my SS CPM is not ideal but its closer to 15

youre not generating more rage than me

and yet

your IP casts are way more

[wind prawn]

wow you have ~30% more SS then tclap, i have no idea how you are doing that

[lusty grotto]

also this talent is bad

[wind prawn]

I am pretty close to hitting SS every CD or so i bleieve

okay

I'll drop that

[remote tusk]

This okay? Or too much TC https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FwL6ythYR4X2W7BA#fight=30&type=casts&source=869

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[fickle tundra]

For me, its a belief as well but my logs show I still favor TC. I think its about fear of losing AoE aggro

[lusty grotto]

but also thats an ST fight except for add phase so

[remote tusk]

Somehow had 17 CPM on Diurna

[wind prawn]

So honesntly, i looks like you are just getting more CPM of revenge\tclap\SS then i am. Is it a hate thing? I am not sure how you are getting some many more GCDs then i am. I am spamming IP but that is off the GCD right

[remote tusk]

Yeah

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean a hate thing

[fickle tundra]

IP is off the gcd. That's how.

[lusty grotto]

and yes IP is off-gcd

but

you shouldn't spam it

[wind prawn]

Like you have more haste rating so you get more casts

[lusty grotto]

oh haste, not hate

uhhh

[remote tusk]

They're also using Wreathe for weapon enchant.

[lusty grotto]

i had 4400 haste rating th ere

[wind prawn]

Yeah that is what i had about

hmm,

[lusty grotto]

uhh nvm i was looking at yours

i had 6350 rating

[wind prawn]

Oh shit

lol

Maybe that is it

[lusty grotto]

yeah why are you using wreathe?

wafting

is objectively better

and should sim better

howling rune

etc etc

[wind prawn]

Sorry, what is wreathe

[remote tusk]

You have the best weapon, so no reason to not get a Rank 3 Wafting Devotion.

Weapon Enchant.

[wind prawn]

Oh what is the better enchange, i guess i am just ignorant

[lusty grotto]

also you dont have a primary stat gem?

[fickle tundra]

Check this for CPM goal, so to speak

[remote tusk]

Wafting Devotion R3. Increases Haste and Speed.

[lusty grotto]

☝️

i wouldn't say its only a haste issue though

but it'll help

[wind prawn]

Jesus dude, no way i can hit those CPM nubmers i think my haste just may be too damn low,

[lusty grotto]

thats an ideal situation with dummies

its not in practice

[wind prawn]

Or i am just slow to press butons

[remote tusk]

Are you using macros to bind abilities together?

[wind prawn]

negetive

[merry sluice]

ima be honest
No matter their score or spec, randomly whispering me "I will destroy" and calling themselves a huge pumper doesnt exactly make me wanna take them lmfao

[lusty grotto]

good

[south zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VgHh6zcfZtdG9xXW#fight=79&type=casts&source=1

17 av

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VgHh6zcfZtdG9xXW#fight=99&type=casts&source=1

16 no

[lusty grotto]

[south zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VgHh6zcfZtdG9xXW#fight=87&type=casts&source=1

16 rlp

you just gottas hit the buttons idk

get haste, a lot of it

[wind prawn]

Hey Choco, explain this. You have about the same number of SS and tlcpas but your SS are on top. Where i am in the same boat but my tclaps are way ahead. Any ideas?
You:

me:

[lusty grotto]

outburst also factors in

[south zealot]

if i had to guess, prioritizing outburts on ss

these logs are pretty old so i dont know for sure

[wind prawn]

Yeah i am not doing that yet as well

I am not tracking outburst

Good feeback

feedback*

[south zealot]

basically 99% of your outbursts should be on ss if you can manage it

obviously things happen but should always aim to empower shield slam

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrCG1234MV9QvRPN#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5&sourcebuffs=386478

this is the amount of thunderclaps you did with outbursts

30 casts with outburst

vs 31 SS outbursts

that'll factor in a lot

and btw, outbursted SS is a lot more rage intake as well

[south zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VgHh6zcfZtdG9xXW#fight=79&type=damage-done&source=1&sourcebuffs=386478

oh yeah this is my av

114 ss 23 thunderclap

[lusty grotto]

[south zealot]

more rage is more outburts/avatar/shield wall as well so it feeds into itself

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[south zealot]

more rage is also more fervid bites which is more roar cd

[wind prawn]

Yeah that all makes perfect sense, I am just working up to tracking that 🙂 Thanks everyone

[south zealot]

no problem

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/qPuHZCbrN Nome has a WA that is useful but theres also the old school SL one

[wind prawn]

I'll take a look

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/7R32j1O83 this one

im sure there are others

so shop around in Wago

another more min-maxy thing about hitting SS every reset is punish stacks, they do make a difference on prio hard-hitting mobs

like wardens in nelth, axes in AA, etc

[remote tusk]

I'm honestly wondering now how I am even able to play Protection Warrior. I really should bother to actually read talents at some point instead of just smashing keyboard.. 🥲

But then again, I'm playing a Warrior so is reading something I should do.

[pallid quiver]

I just press buttons

[remote tusk]

🤝

[lusty grotto]

a lot of these things are benefits to just playing correctly

so we dont really think about it, we just try our best to press SS everytime its up, its as simple as that

[median tulip]

💯

[zealous goblet]

THEY DONT FUCKING EXIST

TREESPLINTER JUST DOES NOT EXIST

I'VE NOT SEEN THE FUCKING THING IN 2 WEEKS OF HUNTING IT

[long chasm]

Myth track one coming in your next vault

[tribal wharf]

the only myth track items i want are some 16 tb hdd's

few of those should do the trick

[zealous goblet]

i finally got it

it rolled avoidance too, god damn

just needed to do a 7 while playing with 400 ping because myi nternet providers are actual fucking scam artists

pieces of shit

[crystal iris]

one of those nights lol

both need a tank for the past 20-25 minutes

[waxen frigate]

both need a VDH for a 15*

[crystal iris]

brack too, like wtf

I finally broke the Nelth curse and timed a 14

[waxen frigate]

vdh has actually brought out the mentally challenged in droves

i did a normal big pull in BH earlier in the season on my monk

the same pull i always did in s2

"you cant do that without vdh bro"

[crystal iris]

haha

[waxen frigate]

[crystal iris]

like there are no casters

or not enough to warrent a VDH

[waxen frigate]

2 people walked into traps

my kick was on CD for the second fear

nobody else used theirs

[crystal iris]

sure if I triple in the first part of HoI VDH is the btter tank

[crystal iris]

i had this happen while i was healing on my monk and the dude said bro are you even healing

[lusty tiger]

@waxen frigate

Hi handsome

[waxen frigate]

😳

[oblique gate]

Hello! for the 4 piece.. is there an offset piece we want between the 5?

[autumn pawn]

Hey guys, i have been clearing +10s on my prot warrior which is my new alt.
But i seem to get destroyed by Wardens mostly in the first pull of Neltharus.

After looking it up now it says the tank buster is fire dmg, my question is: Would it be considered a spell where popping spell block does a difference or is it only just a get better angle?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

Spell Block works on it.

If you don't feel comfortable on that pull you can also pop into defensive stance.

[autumn pawn]

I think my next run in that dungeon is going to be a lot easier then.
I mean, I'm the guy sitting in defensive stance 99,9% or the time anyway haha 😂

[violet ginkgo]

Sim it.

[lusty grotto]

legs, since they dont have haste

[sage rune]

Hello, everyone! Im new at prot warrior and wanted to know how exactly we will proc fire damage to trigger rings? Will it be only shadowflame itens procs?

[lusty grotto]

helm enchant, gholak, shadowflame patches, anvil/signet/augury

you should have helm enchant + gholak, that is more than enough for rings

[sage rune]

I see

Thanks, mate

[lusty grotto]

👍

time

[jagged pier]

[merry sluice]

sleep is a myth

[timid nacelle]

Hey Guys, been prepping for TWW and giving my warrior a bit of a run through S4. Just starting to push some 12's, can someone take a look at my log and give some feedback? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p8NMq4arcjLKfh7b#fight=last

[jagged pier]

manage SB uptime more its a tad low

manage outburst procs better your sedning it on TC too much

also u should being running TLs instead of blood surge or disrupting shout

u should really be considering if u actually need disruptin gshout from the looks of this logs u dont really need it

also stoping being in Dstance

your hp never even got close to 0

[timid nacelle]

Brilliant, yes I read about outburst the other day and meant to sort my WA for it. Love having disrupting shout in a pinch to help with caster groupings, and what do you mean by TL's? Thanks for taking the time to review and provide feedback, much appreciated.

[jagged pier]

but your not really doign anything with disrupting shout here with caster groups

like it isnt helping u in the way u think it is

and TLs is thunderlords

a talent

u can run disrupting by all means, but it does a lot less than ppl keep telling me it does

🤷

but if u want to run it

u drop bloodsurge for it

not thunderlords

[timid nacelle]

I drop it for a few runs and see how we go, thanks mate. Ill plan out some talent changes as well based on your input, love your work. Thank you

[jagged pier]

like u use disrupting shout 9 times but intim shout will inturpt most if not all of the casts u used to disrupting shout on,

so your under using your other aoe stop

which is fine u can run both but us both

looks like youve fallen into the trap most ppl do which is only use disrupting and never pres intim shout

so they just waste a talent point

[timid nacelle]

Haha funny you should say that, I realised yesterday I barely even use it for fear it would scatter the mobs, but last run I tried using it and the fear breaks so quickly its a non issue. Great call!

[jagged pier]

exactly

now it wont stop every cast because some mobs cant be feared etc but for 99% of the casts where ppl tell me disrupting shout is a must, intim shout will do the same thing

but eh again im u wanna run it thats fine just make sure, your using both of them u can stop far more casts

[ionic fern]

Use it to group multiple packs of casters.

[jagged pier]

u can do that but at least for me depending on where and what dungeon cause los also does that

[waxen frigate]

I think the most obvious case in current content would be the Vexamus trash

[orchid mural]

IMO run both 🙂 Disrupting is so good for group survival and clumping enemies. Intim is great for when your group stupidly overstuns things, and you need a critical stop - fear is not a stun 🙂

[autumn pawn]

Anyone running Battle scared veteran in any dungeons? And what do you usually give up for it when picking it?

[jagged pier]

nope u shouldnt need it anywhere

but

if u want to take it

there is a build in the pins

u cant just swap on talent for it really

[autumn pawn]

Okay I'll look at it. I didn't feel like needing it but the times i died it would have been nice if it saved my ass for little loss 😂

[jagged pier]

but its not a cheat death

so i may not have stopped u dying anyway

its closer to one now i suppose now its fixed

[autumn pawn]

It's not but it do sound super strong still.

But i will probably not run it if it's too much of a hassle, but thanks for answering 🙂 I'll look it up in pins when im home 🙂

[round pendant]

Oh they fixed BSV?

neat

[terse oriole]

Trying to tighten up my Prot war play and noticed some decent combo macros in the chat earlier (SS + IP), where can I find a list of some good ones to throw into my rotation?

[jagged pier]

there arent any

that macro isnt a combo

and its not SS+ IP

its IP + SS

and its used to snipe SS resets when u press IP

u still have a SS bind of its own

[terse oriole]

Ah that makes more sense cool

[waxen frigate]

Hello protection warriors

[jagged pier]

hi

[undone beacon]

ew, protection warriors?!

[round pendant]

The only macros I use are mouseover stormbolt, heroic throw, taunt, etc

and to drop ravager on myself (I still have a button for manual targeting tho)

[fickle tundra]

I've been thinking this as most of the time I'm using it as solely as an AoE taunt. It feels like a wasted point.

[compact silo]

i dont find myself using spell block too often, like once in a dungeon or if i have to solo a boss after my whole party died 😄 should i just take "Tough as nails" instead?

[jagged pier]

no u should be using it more

[compact silo]

i mean spell reflect already does a similar job and i spam it all the time

[compact silo]

my health isnt dropping below max

[jagged pier]

no one is 1 refelct or defelct of one spell and 20% magic reduction

spell block is anywhere from 60% to 100% magic reduction on nearly ever magic attack in sungeons

[toxic pewter]

I mean if you’re not taking any damage you’re not really doing any difficult content so your question doesn’t really matter

[compact silo]

im doing over 10+ s

[toxic pewter]

Just play any any build

[compact silo]

and mythic raiding

[toxic pewter]

Well you’re not taking any meaningful magic damage right so who cares

[compact silo]

well mythic raid pugging more like

[compact silo]

that's what im saying

[toxic pewter]

Ok go do it

[jagged pier]

so what your saying is your over geared for the content your doing

[compact silo]

idk is 528 ilevel overgeared for 10+s and above?

[jagged pier]

that doesnt really mean u should play the wrong talents and not use your cds correctly

[jagged pier]

yes

for 10s

100%

ppl were doing 10s at 448

[toxic pewter]

[compact silo]

so what should 527 be going for?

[jagged pier]

like 15+ i suppose

whatever the highest keys are right now

thats where gears actually gunna come into play some what

[round pendant]

My issue with Spell Block is that I have to figure out where it's useful but the problem is it's borderline useless until you get to difficult enough content where you die without it

So I only end up using it in very specific spots

[jagged pier]

like the raids and dungeons have been nerfed since the patch came out ttoo

this is why there is a sheet

to tell u

when to use these things

[compact silo]

so i can just take tough as nails until I see myself dying to spells

[jagged pier]

or

learn to use it correctly

so u dont die anyway

🤷

[compact silo]

i havent died yet 😄

[jagged pier]

and u probably wont if your doing 10s

but that still doesnt mean we play incorrectly

[compact silo]

and i only use it in these scenarios

[jagged pier]

touch as nails also does fuck all

and u need to get to punish

[compact silo]

do what with punish?

[compact silo]

doesnt it add like some meager % of dmg?

[jagged pier]

no

[compact silo]

i mean i get 2 mil damage from heroic throw per dungeon (thats about 0.4%) so i figure tough as nails will surely do more considering every mob in the dungeon will attack me and it ignores armor

[round pendant]

Well, I know what can be blocked but not every pack is scary if you don't use spell block. Like, Spell Block is pretty good against trash in NO pretty broadly but in other dungeons I just dunno which packs are scary

since I don't do hard keys

but I would like to play more optimally just because playing right feels good

[jagged pier]

if u want to do damage u drop disrupting shout/bloodsurge and the whole spell block node

and take 2 points in bloodbourne

[round pendant]

Yknow, someone here should make a prot warrior dungeon routes guide with hints on what cooldowns are good where and why, etc 🤔

I guess it only really applies to spell reflect and block cause everything else is basically used on cd

[compact silo]

im not using disrupting shout

[jagged pier]

hence why i also gave u another option

if u read

looking at a log i found of a 14 AA where someone is using tough as nails it did 6mil damage over the whole key a woping 4k dps

just take the points in BB

also theres got to be something wrong if your getting 2 mill damge from heroic throw

thats giga high

[compact silo]

titanic throw

[jagged pier]

even then

🤷

like without TT i do like 200k at max

TT isnt 10x more damage

[compact silo]

i use it before every charge

cuz by the time im at the target i have my gcd off

bonus dmg 😎

[round pendant]

I also don't use shield wall enough tbh

In higher keys it's basically every pack right?

like once packs take longer than 15 seconds to kill

[median tulip]

Grrrr. PUG with a Druid AND an Evoker, both of whom don't seem to understand the instruction "stop knocking mobs into my rear arc"

[pallid quiver]

Just death strike it off, bro, what's the problem

[compact silo]

shield wall use a lot cuz its cd is a lot lower than those 3 minutes you see. if you SS as much as you would normally then it should be off in no time

[round pendant]

yeah I'm aware

[merry sluice]

This feels like every Uldaman I ever run

[median tulip]

The Shaman did it twice as well. Oh for the new season, and I can get back to only playing with Guildies. I've got the guild trained not to do that, now.

[merry sluice]

It’s either they knock everything behind me, or they’ll randomly knock half the pack so there’s like 3 casters off in narnia not getting cleaved

[median tulip]

Oh I hate it when they do it to caster packs. Yeah well done, you stopped one cast, at the cost of making it a PITA to kick any more.

Especially when I've spent a load oof effort getting the pack into one nice cleavable lump and suddenly they are all over the shop again

[waxen frigate]

Tough as nails is so fucking bad lol

I did like a similar key level with it just for the fuck of it iirc

And it did maybe 1%

[waxen frigate]

Just twerk on them

[waxen frigate]

I’d rather just run bolster

[merry sluice]

SOMETHING IS WRONG

I CAN FEEL IT

i got twin guardian from the evo twice

an evoker that uses their utility is like world ending, lottery won

[ornate thicket]

Whenever im on rdru i stick a vortex down before my knock so they come right back

Shaman should have knockup too instead of knockback except on sanguine weeks

[merry sluice]

SO FUN FACT

i've had 3 'wipes' on the last boss of AV today, where i was the only one elft standing bc noone killed crystals

im in agony inside

[mild sapphire]

Shaman does. They just have to talent into it.

[ornate thicket]

Yeah thats what i said lol. But i meant should as in they have to talent for it.

Lot of sus talent builds in pugs

[round pendant]

Am I supposed to just kite the basilisks in uldaman

they're so annoying

[merry sluice]

nooooo

they fervant

if you range the basilisks they can easily chomp other melee.

Either CC them
Evoker Caut/dwarf off bleed
Or LoS their chomp with the pillars in the room, but keep within range

[round pendant]

once I run out of CCs I will just die

because people won't kill them quick enough

I should learn the los thing I guess

My damage is so low this season

and s2

I think I just don't vibe well with this tier set AT ALL

[pallid quiver]

I mean

The tier set is "continue to do your normal rotation"

so

[undone beacon]

yeah the tier set is basically ignorable lol

maybe spending too much time hitting revenge or smthn

I'm trying to decide what to buy with my bullions this week. I could get an anvil for funsies or go nab some weapon mogs to finish a set I want

hmm

[round pendant]

idk I did good damage in S1 and S3 but not in S2 or here

[pallid quiver]

then you played worse in S2 and here

[round pendant]

🤔

[pallid quiver]

Even more notable is that this is the same tier as S3, so

[round pendant]

WAIT WHAT

[pallid quiver]

You can't blame the tier on that

[round pendant]

oh I might be swapping aberrus and amirdrassil

ye

yeah ok I checked my logs

ok I've just fallen off since S1

Saying that S1 was the only season where I reached a high ilvl and kept doing raids beyond just getting curve

[pallid quiver]

That could be part of it, as well, since most people aiming to parse get their gear then re-hit raids

[ornate thicket]

Yeah set bonus basically giving you DR passively for shield slamming targets with bleeds.

But gotta tclap for rends and get at least one revenge out for deep wounds. If you have low shield block uptime your shield slams are hitting less too

[zealous goblet]

the more keys that get bricked the more i start to hear voices

they started small at first

but now i'm starting to hear
"take the improved bleed talent"
"run grieeeftoooorch"

i swear to god i've not seen a good mage yet, they don't do any damage and die all the time. i'm gonna have to take it into my own hands soon

[vocal cave]

bruh, im yet to see boomkin that does damage in keys

[elder yew]

ive got max'd anvil icon and oce so far as dps but im bored and want to finish off the tier as prot. what should i use these 2 bullion on? the 1hander or another trinket ?

[south zealot]

gholak weapon

[crystal iris]

still having aggro issues as prot its wild

like ill lose random aggro mid pull on one mob

or 3

Lashers are still a struggle when they spawn

[crystal iris]

ya not sure ive ever seen a good one either

[south zealot]

mages dont do good damage bc the class isnt very good

its incredibly overrated

well its a fine class just not for its damage

[crystal iris]

bUt ThE mDi UsES tHeM

lol

[south zealot]

they wouldnt if u could use 2 spriests

but thats banned

[crystal iris]

im surprised high key pushers dont use warlocks

[south zealot]

well destro is mostly pad, their prio damage is super low

[crystal iris]

ah

[south zealot]

i think demo is better than destro personally

[crystal iris]

i had one that would have 30 imps at the end of a pull

and as I was gathering he would implode them all

like bruh

[south zealot]

the urge to implode imps before they kill themselves is too strong

[lusty grotto]

choco

what was your top dam in AA w/o an aug?

350?

around that?

[south zealot]

on logs or details

[lusty grotto]

details

[south zealot]

475

no monk though

[lusty grotto]

without an aug or with one

[south zealot]

without

[lusty grotto]

hmm

2/2 bloodborne?

[south zealot]

.

it was like an 11 iirc

yes

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

what are you dropping for it

[south zealot]

spellblock bloodsurge

[crystal iris]

does this look ok for first pulls of RLP?

where is the jugg at in its patrol when i get there? easy to pull?

[zealous goblet]

im not an expert, but im curious, what key levels you doing?

[crystal iris]

15-16

[zealous goblet]

jfc

i've started pulling much smaller because my pugs yell a lot if i pull more than 2 packs

no meme

[crystal iris]

i just tried that first pull on 16 then 15 and couldnt survive it

[zealous goblet]

i'm at 14s~

[crystal iris]

i had some chill pugs tho and its monday night so why not try

[zealous goblet]

ye for sure

[crystal iris]

but i've essentially done that pull on a 14 (with the first jug not the second) and it was ok

but gathering is fkn ROUGH

[zealous goblet]

i personally do the first floor in 3 pulls. i pull first jugger and those 2 hall packs, then i pull the group of 3, and the other group of 3 right around the corner, and thne i pull the stray shit into the last juggernaut, and pull miniboss when the small fry die

[crystal iris]

and when spell block runs out and the chillweavers start chain casting on you it gets scary

ya thats how I usually do it

[zealous goblet]

next week should be more pug friendly i hope.

[crystal iris]

this week was a super easy week though

[zealous goblet]

naw man i keep having problems with people not kicking

especially the expulses on hoi

the 2 packs before the last boss

or uh, first boss*

[crystal iris]

ya those are always a bit rough

[zealous goblet]

they just don't get them

[crystal iris]

especially annoying is first pull when you pull them and start running to the other packs

and the one behind you goes off

[zealous goblet]

i bet they're trying their best, i'm not gonna shit on them, but i kinda have my hands tied once i have no more cc

[crystal iris]

like im trying to stay alive get aggro on everything that mob is no where near me. you twits have nothing else to do other than watch me gather and kick that cast

[zealous goblet]

they are the ones who die to it instantly, surely self preservation oughta kick in

[crystal iris]

spoiled by DH tanks

[zealous goblet]

(it doesn't)

[lusty grotto]

there are no more fort push weeks

this is the last one

[zealous goblet]

every week is a push week for me, i need to get good, i need to sweat

[lusty grotto]

next week is kind of the last tyrannical push week

there could be 1 more

[lusty grotto]

well youre not gonna have a good time with upcoming fort weeks

the next fort week is bolstering

which is a no-go

[zealous goblet]

it is ok

i shall manage

it will awaken my third eye

[lusty grotto]

the we get raging fort

after that

aug 6 is the only theoretical push week after that and thats after the leaked prepatch date

so season is over by then

but i mean sure

you can go past 13s on non-push weeks

in theory

but it'll be way harder than this week, by a lot

[neat crow]

Is there any specific packs/bosses i should be using spell block on in m+? Coming back to pwarr from BFA when we didn't have it at all so i'm not really sure where it should be used. Kinda just want an idea of what i'd be using it on or is it just an on cooldown kinda talent that'll be up for most pulls anyways?

[violet ginkgo]

You can open the pinned and see the link to the Sense's document about blockable and reflectable spell. Full list is there.

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[merry sluice]

alrigth 4 bricked nelths ina row, this dungeon is so ass

[neat crow]

Thanks! Feel a bit dumb that I didn't just check pins but still

[ionic fern]

You died or group dieD?

[violet ginkgo]

group I think

[merry sluice]

group, im having zero issues surviving, but i've had two ina row where literally only one dps even kicked.
Tossed out shockwave and intim, stormbolt, even fucking held shield charge to stun a magma conflag and just watched noone make a single effort to CC

Wipe before the first boss, someone instant leaves.

Then ofc 3300 io shadow priest baiting magmatuska cross the entire damn room. Same shadow priest who made a huge deal over making sure our group knew how to skip hunters, pulls hunters dies and says "too many" leaves.

this key is a fucking pug nightmare and i'v;e lost any motivation to even touch it

[lusty grotto]

both that and uldaman are just a lot more tedious to pug than any of the other ones

there's just so much stuff that needs to be taken into consideration in them

the first pulls arent even overloaded with cognitive shit

but skipping hunters is kind of rough

with pugs

i think the good thing is that the key is basically over if the first pulls fail

[violet ginkgo]

@merry sluice you have to remember that no one will CC because "It's not targetted at me, not my problem." Plus with the usual bad habit caused by VDH

[lusty grotto]

so its a short one

i kinda like that they are challenging in that way, but it really does take a mental toll

i literally have to stand up and walk around for 5 mins after one

sub 15, its kind of rough though, its not just stopping Conflag, and kicking molten cores, Chargath is a problem in vault keys

even in fort

its fine though, season is basically over after next week

since no push weeks 🙂

time to rest and play elden ring and dawntrail

[violet ginkgo]

I wonder what will happen at TWW Nim, after those VDH nerf a lot of dps player probably be "Wdym I have to CC/Interupt?"

[lusty grotto]

we will see

[unkempt hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-walking-back-to-boss-gif-25097341

[lusty grotto]

lol

[jagged pier]

[zealous goblet]

speaking of uldaman

can i expect this treesplinter to do wonders for my basilisk problem?

[south zealot]

bro i just watched that movie today

[unkempt hazel]

lmao

[zealous goblet]

i feel like those things do not care about shield wall

i'm not sure if i'm dumb or not

[lusty grotto]

wall reduces the damage

but neither of these things will make you invulnerable to it

3 stacks and depending on the key and you might be dead

2 is already danger zone, 1 is livable

4 is delete your character time

[violet ginkgo]

😱

[merry sluice]

dw the nelth experience got even better

Watched 3 people die on the pull immediately after chargath...
didnt even do the 'big' pull

they just all died to a nsingle hunter.

this feels like a parody of bad pugs

[lusty grotto]

well youre not supposed to pull hunters in fort

[merry sluice]

correct
hbut if they cant live 1 hunter and they wont skip it

then ;x

[lusty grotto]

true

[merry sluice]

that's a bit ridiculous

[lusty grotto]

but honestly hunters are just overtuned

and there's no way to outplay it

they just send the jump and bleed

and that's a dead group mate

[radiant mortar]

anyone here that is good with math to text?

[blazing condor]

what are you looking to do?

[radiant mortar]

D_{0}=(2.32_{-2.10}^{+20.79} is this correct?

I know the basics on how to write out math but Im not sure in this case

[blazing condor]

yeah dawg imma keep it real

i have no idea

[radiant mortar]

[merry sluice]

Look man

you're asking the warrior discord

about math

go ask the arcane mages

[radiant mortar]

Im not active there :(

asked the priest and druid too

[blazing condor]

feels like a chat gpt angle

if you can somehow explain it

im not nerdy enough to know what im looking at but im assuming you know

[mellow bridge]

playing single hunters in neltharus is fine

you are basically forced to play 1 at least

double-pulling them is where it gets spicy (and not recommended)

[radiant mortar]

I contacted the person who wrote it and asked them, mine is correct even if discord is not showing it completely

[shy mulch]

Am I seeing this correctly? Basically zero changes to the TWW Prot talent tree from live? Haven't been plugged in for a bit.

[strong forum]

correct

#NoChanges

[shy mulch]

And how are people feeling abou that? Again - as someone who hasn't played prot in a while the spec actually feels pretty good.

[strong forum]

the spec is good

the issue is tree is so good that a single point is worth 5%+ dps

so youre terminally locked into a certain spec

[shy mulch]

Wonderful

Colossus seems powerful yet boring. Reviewing the other one now

[strong forum]

#1230008411333066913 but yeh

mountain thane plays extremely smooth

[shy mulch]

Fack

[strong forum]

colossus plays clunky

[shy mulch]

didn't see that channel

apologies

[neat crow]

how do we deal with the drake frontals in HoI? Spell block is ok for one round of it but then im having to either run a mile away from the group or INTO the group and all choices feel awful

[hardy snow]

if you need to move away, move along the wall/side

[neat crow]

does it not clip through? which parts in particular?

[jagged pier]

u outrange it

u spell block it

u sw it

[hardy snow]

I mean, to outrange it, so you dont hit your teammates

[strong forum]

its a really short breath

[hardy snow]

yea, its not like breath from tictac ad

[neat crow]

so the 2nd drake after the frog boss i'm meant to pull up to give myself some space then?

i feel like on that one i have next to 0 space for it

[hardy snow]

outranging is the last thing to do imo, you should plan your CDs first

[neat crow]

so i can just facetank with shield wall?

[strong forum]

ideally you dont pull the 2nd drake

ah nvm

[neat crow]

im not really doing a key level where it's a gamebreaker i just wanna get used to pwarr for TWW

[strong forum]

the 3rd drake*

[jagged pier]

yer that or spell block

[neat crow]

like i know there's a skip but im not even in double digits yet LOL

[strong forum]

oh

you kinda just do this then

just make sure to reflect/shockwave the ice shard casts

and use SW/Spellblock for breath, if you REALLY dont want to outrange it

but id suggest just outranging the breath

and use defensives for iceshard casts instead

[neat crow]

i find it easier to outrange on the 3rd but the first and 2nd feel really weird

[strong forum]

[neat crow]

like i just have no room

and if i do go back everyone just runs into the breath like zoo animals

[strong forum]

youll find a way

or just eat it

doesnt rly hurt in single digit levels

[jagged pier]

tbh i just eat it

in 10s and lower

[round pendant]

That corridor is rough in pugs

pulling second dragon + those 4 mobs = everyone dies for some reason

never had that issue the last time we had HoI tho

[hardy snow]

as I said previously - move along the wall, there is plenty of room in corridor

before entering corridor you can tell your team you will move like that, so they know what to do

and if they fk up - you just dont care about it

[neat crow]

ok I'll try thanks

[manic pecan]

Do you spread mortal strikes or just priority target in aoe?

[violet ginkgo]

But why mortal strikes asked in Prot channel instead of Arms Channel?

[orchid gulch]

That's a weird way to spell shield slam.

[round pendant]

Pretty sure you don't bother spreading mortal strikes

[orchid gulch]

If you have a priority target that has to die you press MS on that with a side of SS, else you will apply your Mastery with Warbreaker and Bladestorm anyways; on large groups you will prioritise Cleave over MS.

[manic pecan]

My bad I’m not smart. Wrong channel 😦 but thanks!

[plush path]

this map addon

is it for helping to know what to pull?

[ornate thicket]

Its mythic dungeon tools addon. Super useful for setting up pull routes in m+ and making sure you dont go over/under count

[jagged pier]

I mean all dungeons if u just press w u will get count or just over by the end of the dungeon

U only need certain routes when keys get high

[crystal iris]

its pretty easy to outrange it tbh

lots of room

[merry sluice]

i finally... hit enough haste to comfortable swap out of heavy reprecussions
and the season is basically over now

🙂

[crystal iris]

just now? how did it take so long lol

between crafted gear, cloaks and haste ring its pretty easy no?

[crystal iris]

can you share your first pull of RLP?

[merry sluice]

'haste ring'

[crystal iris]

ah your right its only 544

[merry sluice]

one ring deleted my haste, and the other doesnt even hav ehaste as the highest budget

and a bunch of shit didnt drop haste outside of crafted x.x

[crystal iris]

week 1 lol

[merry sluice]

literally been gorging on Feisty Fishsticks crying

[crystal iris]

i dont know if this is suicidal / even possible in pugs

[jagged pier]

I literally do all up to the mini boss in my keys of im feeling spicy that day

I dont die

[strong forum]

i do this

or well did

[plush path]

for weapon enchant do i want sophic or wafting devotion

[strong forum]

wafting

[rancid tiger]

ok, i gotta ask as new prot warrior. we do not like magic dmg or am i wrong?

aaand i just realized we have spell block

jesus

[dusky ravine]

lmaoo

[plush path]

ye

use spell block and spell reflect

[merry sluice]

the best magic mitigation is having DPS that actually CC/kick

[ornate thicket]

Best magic mitigation ive found is to not invite ragnaros or quel thalas players into my pug keys

[urban portal]

Prot is worst at dealing with unexpected magic damage

If it’s expected you spell reflect/spell block it

[lusty grotto]

please dont start this shit

servers are not to blame by specific players

if that was the case, illidan and a52 would be banned harder than any of those 2

[jagged pier]

depends if your EU or NA

but your all wrong the best mitigation is not playing

[lusty grotto]

hes clearly NA

[jagged pier]

i dunno ppl thought i was NA for along time

🤷

[south zealot]

specifically saying rag and qt means ur na player

[lusty grotto]

yea

[south zealot]

that or undercover eu agent trying to be na

[ornate thicket]

Stereotypes exist for a reason 🤷‍♂️

[jagged pier]

they arent great servers in EU ither

might be obvious to u

because u are NA

[south zealot]

a lot of rag and qt players are good though

[lusty grotto]

whether stereotypes exist or not is completely separate

yeah

high io rag/qt and any brazil server are extremely good

[rancid tiger]

if avoiding ppl its mainly spanish realms tbh

[lusty grotto]

in comparison with other common servers like illidan and a52

yeah thats just plain ole racism

[ornate thicket]

Its not

[south zealot]

the best healer ive ever played with was from chile i believe

[ornate thicket]

Racism is hatred towards another race. I choose to avoid language barriers and stereorypical rage quitters when i game though yes. I also avoid OCE serverw for latency

[south zealot]

well one of the best

[lusty grotto]

then avoid illidan and a52 and stormrage if you want to avoid "rage quitters"

[ornate thicket]

Ive played with some great latin players.

[south zealot]

illidan has the most ragequitters

illidan is a highly competitive server bc its the most popular

[pallid quiver]

Can confirm, Illidan has had the single most amount of rage quitters, followed by A52. likely because there's more players

[lusty grotto]

yeah turns out, bigger concentration of player yields more bad apples, who knew

[south zealot]

well not exclusively bc its popular, it got popular bc its competitive but yknow what i mean

[rancid tiger]

its not at all its based on the crowd that play on those servers

keep in mind i didnt say spanish talking ppl

[south zealot]

you mean the crowd of exclusively latam players

[lusty grotto]

im aware those are spanish realms

i think we're all aware

[ornate thicket]

Usually ragequit comes from the players that fuck up royally and then group wipes as a result. Like damn man you had a bad play and then ruined our key by leaving

[lusty grotto]

so every server

and not just X and Y

[south zealot]

the 'ragequits' i get are usually ppl fed up with 1-2 players having a terrible key

i think ur just in low keys man idk

[ornate thicket]

I even understand those

[south zealot]

ragequits arent even common at all

its usually a mutual disband

[lusty grotto]

yeah this isnt about anything we're discussing after the fact

its the fact that he specifically mentioned 2 servers to "avoid"

which is fucking ridiculous

[south zealot]

also drakkari is another latam server

[lusty grotto]

add azralon to the list

[ornate thicket]

My experiences are generally bad with those servers. You dont have to agree. Im not even upset that you don't

[south zealot]

oh shit i forgot about azralon

[lusty grotto]

well im upset youre saying it here

keep it to yourself

[pallid quiver]

They're pretty common in weekly keys and the lowest keys; a lot more common than mutual disbands considering how many dungeons I've proceeded to then finish

[ornate thicket]

A mutual disband isnt what im talking about but yeah lol

[south zealot]

i agree but weekly keys are cessspools and not worth even doing for how unbelievably unfun they are

[ornate thicket]

Its generally understood by all at that point

[crystal iris]

how do you skip stinkbreath with a lock?

[south zealot]

gate