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pallid quiver
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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YbtqmHGV4K1XfZM3#fight=last&type=casts&source=21

This is just a quick random attempt at logging a go at the tank dummy, though I had ST raid talents on as a heads up, so there's technically more execute than usual, but this is just like a random show of roughly what your cast breakdowns should look like if you're not even thinking at all. When I saw this message when I finished fixing up my bike, I just booted up the game, ran to dummy, and started just pressing buttons like this. I wasn't even planning on hitting defensive CDs like Shield Wall/LS but like

i just did because i just recognized "oh hurt cast button press" out of the corner of my eye while looking at phone/discord/room

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Damage done will be technically off iirc since the dummy runs out of HP to deal damage to, but

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And casts would be a bit lower than in dungeon/raid proper since you can't have full ITF stacks on just tank dummy alone

crystal iris
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#justDPSthings

remote tusk
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mfw Pocket Anvil doesn't actually function as an Anvil

hardy snow
merry sluice
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Im pretty sure the only time I had my MDT linked checked when shared

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Was just some trash Aug whining about me going left in atal last season lol

zealous narwhal
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question for a begginer prot war: which affects more ignore pain as in making it absorb more: versatillity or mastery? , thanks

round pendant
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IP is rage dump

lusty grotto
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like yam said

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focus on shield block, not ignore pain

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just did a 14 with 3 ragnaros gods

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hpal, hdh and ret pally

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fucking blasted the key like nothing

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also compliments

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literal gods

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its too bad it was only a 14 but alas

zealous narwhal
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Oh i see , so in terms of stats for m+ i should always prio vers over mastery

lusty grotto
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read the pins

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the last pin, or the wowhead/icy veins guides

zealous narwhal
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Alright thanks

lusty grotto
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stats' contribution to IP does not matter at all

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IP is NOT your main mit

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Shield block is

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so do not focus on it at all

zealous narwhal
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I understand ,thanks .

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So keeping shiled block up as much as possible is a prio

plush tendon
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keeping Shield Block up is really easy

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it also buffs Shield Slam dam by 30%

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the main goal of Prot War is to A) Keep SB up B) Generate lots of rage C) Spend rage

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IP is great for spending rage cause its off the GCD

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and you just want to send your CDs as often as possible since anger management and the wall talents refund cooldown on those abilties the more rage you spend

zealous narwhal
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Yeah i made 2 macros for ip with shield slam and one with shield block

plush tendon
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I wouldnt do the second one

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you macro SS to IP

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the reason is that IP has a very high chance to reset SS

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and it lets you get insta SS off if you proc when you IP

lusty grotto
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not IP, devastator but it'll snipe shield slam resets

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the goal of that macro is to do that

plush tendon
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my bad

lusty grotto
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its not intended to be used to shield slam

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i believe thats in the pins as well

plush tendon
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I cant read

lusty grotto
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not you lol

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im just telling Arwand

zealous narwhal
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Will check pins shortly

plush tendon
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the big stepping stone I had to make with Prot War is just being really liberal with your Shield Wall usage

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unless you need to hold onto it for something

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it may be a "4 min cd', but if playing correctly and spending lots of rage, its more like a 1 min

strong forum
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Just send it on pull/whilst gathering with basically every pack

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Unless you know you will need it for something specific

merry sluice
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yooooo
big man evoker out here with 1 kick throughout the entirity of a neltharus

lusty grotto
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what about stops

merry sluice
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nop

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watched 6 deaths before first boss bc no soothe and no cc ;D

zealous goblet
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reddit gold

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amitheasshole has to be a karma farm sub right?

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no way even 10% of those posts are real

merry sluice
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"my wife stole the kids, killed my dog, divorced me 5 times, and moved to cambodia, aita for crying" type posts on there

zealous goblet
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i came across a legendary group doing a 14 halls

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it made me cry, i let them down

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i was lagging so bad during the key, but we timed it with like 4 seconds left. the ccs going out were beautiful

zealous goblet
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fellas, i've never checked, and can't check now

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is there a difference on going left instead of right at halls of infusion, before the first boss?

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the giant circle

strong forum
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different mobs

zealous goblet
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i've always gone left

strong forum
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and on the left side theres the fail safe console

zealous goblet
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i imagined so, but are they easier?

strong forum
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granting everyone a free cheat

strong forum
zealous goblet
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on the left or right?

strong forum
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left

zealous goblet
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ah

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i don't even pull the extra shit though

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my route is literally just no skips or anything. i know you can skip one of the drake packs by jumping around the rocks, but i've never tried experimenting, and don't really feel like doing lower keys to do so

strong forum
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not required on weekly keys

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but if you go higher, you kinda want to

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cuz you dont want anybody committing CDs JSUT before the hardest boss of the dungeon

zealous goblet
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i did a 14 today, we finished with 3 seconds left and i was lagging my ass off

strong forum
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including yourself

zealous goblet
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i ate a hailstorm

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and survived

strong forum
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ya

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can survive that with a CD up

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oh you mean hailstorm

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ya that hits for even less

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than glacial surge

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i willingly tested to see if you can survive glacial surge with spellblock up

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you can, but it drops you to like 30% HP on 14 tyr

zealous goblet
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but anyways, would that pack on the left be enough to make up for the drake pack that can be skipped? probably not, right? that drake is like 4%. where would i need to make up?

strong forum
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nah

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you need to pull 3 extra packs

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iirc

zealous goblet
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so like, probably the weird of fhallway before the stor mand fire miniboss?

strong forum
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which you can easily do at the circle in first room

zealous goblet
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oh

strong forum
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you just pull 5 packs as first pull

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then 2 packs after that

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then combine 3 packs again

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and you should be at first boss

zealous goblet
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huh, smart, i might try it. might not. i imagine on tyran it's not as big of a problem as fort to pull drakes

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i'd like to do the other 14s before i loop back around and try a 15

strong forum
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basically you pull everything when you enter except the first pack on the right

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you can opt to pull the last pack before the boss in aswell

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or just chain it in once the orbs are dead

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or pull that pack ontop of boss

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once the orbs are dead

zealous goblet
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that's wicked faith to put into pugs, i usually do this in like, 5 pulls. i break 1 into 2, and 3's first pack and the one to boss into two

strong forum
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why

zealous goblet
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people keep dying to expulses while my kicks are down >:(

strong forum
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yeah so

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hold your CC for orbs

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Orbs are LITERALLY the only thing

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that matters in those pulls

zealous goblet
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aye

strong forum
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everything else does 0 dmg

zealous goblet
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i'm not disagreeing, it just seems rough in pug keys

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and it's making me sad

strong forum
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idk

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havent had those issues

zealous goblet
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they yell at me for pulling too big

strong forum
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in my pug keys

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NA is weird

zealous goblet
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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maybe it's just my luck

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maybe i'm the problem

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all i know is i've been doing smaller and smaller pulls as i climb up out of annoyance of kick managment

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across the board

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the problem i have right now is i'm not educated in what most classes do so i'm not sure what expectations and stuff to form

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so i oughta sit down one night and read up on that

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i still don't even know lust cd

strong forum
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depends on class

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but also

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lust CD is usually indicated by the "sated" debuff

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which is 10 minutes, you cant gain benefit from a lust buff while this debuff is active

neat crow
merry sluice
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the macro?

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#protection message

its in the middle of this, it might not show up in the menu preview if you're on mobile bc discord app sux

royal kelp
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does anyone know if there's a way to see how much damage granyth's enduring scale does in details? a few of us have tried to find it and nobody can?

cyan bronze
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how are you not having people just die to beam

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like no beam goes thru

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i have ppl die to beam usually on gather while i do this

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on 16 fort we're just splitting it cus its the only pull we die to

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maybe u have to do it on real keys for time and just have to send more cds on gather i guess

violet ginkgo
fresh stone
# zealous goblet ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

you're not the only one who splits that room up in smaller pulls. in pugs people barely can control the interupts when its 1-2 groups at a time. that just looks like madness pulling 1/3rd of the room at once. and you gotta factor in people dodging that jump move the other mobs do. better to be safe

neat crow
zealous goblet
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are we.. sure that the two buillion rings are bis?

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:(

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IT ROLLED LEECH, IT'S SO SEXY

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god tests me every day

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no meme, wouldn't it be worth considering over the bullion ring that does fire damage tho?

jagged pier
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thats not worth it is anyway

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its not even a myth track ring

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and even if it was

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does that ring have stats and a secondary effect?

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the answer is no

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so it still not better

merry sluice
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leech is never gonna beat statbudget and ilvl

Its just wow's way of rubbing salt in your wound that your BiS ring isn't haste

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i also had the same ring drop leech

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three. fucking. times. ina row x.x

remote tusk
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At least you can save one of them for the mount ig.

zealous goblet
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it just makes me sad because i had a 1.3k haste ring or w/e before i got bullion

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so i feel a gap in my soul

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a void never to be filled

violet ginkgo
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it will be filled

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with haste from other equipments

zealous goblet
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no

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not at the same level

plush path
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hey

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is cataclysmic signe t brand worth using?

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i currently have rageheart + dread

blazing condor
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its good if you can keep it up

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meaning maintaining the stacks on it

plush path
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should i change dread for anvil or bromach for ouboreal

violet ginkgo
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why would you want volcoross necklace though? you like losing 1,5k haste?

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Cataclysmic is nice for raid content, so you can anvil plus that and keep stacking up, sure the fight could be short but even some fight at heroic could be long because of the designed mech.

south zealot
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chabge

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change

merry sluice
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If your level of keys need something more defensively skewed then you can go dresdplate. If you don’t find yourself needing that, then anvil is still a top tier DPS trinket if you’re good at keeping stacks

(Misread the order of trinkets but their uses still remain. Wouldn’t go out your way to replace in for dungeons)

south zealot
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whats your 2nd trinket

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oh rageheart

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replace rageheart before you replace dreadplates

merry sluice
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Ourboreal neck is trash. It’s only a purchase if you need ilvl upgrade.

plush path
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idk wht to buy and i have 2 bullions

drifting juniper
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man i wish indomitable overhealing would become a barrier on us

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even for half value

remote tusk
frosty tide
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Do we have to take Rend in our talent tree?

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Do we actually use Rend in our rotation?

round pendant
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So yes you need rend specced

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but you don't put it on your bars

blazing condor
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we take rend but we dont use rend like yam said

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just have it and use TC

frosty tide
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Oh ok

urban portal
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Not from gear

cinder nova
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Nah it's gear too.

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Rating provides about half as much.

cinder nova
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Unless they do a huge 180 this is gonna be what we're walking into.

urban portal
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Oh that’s long time ago

fickle tundra
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Whats the mistake on all the high io prot warriors wearing the rageheart + stonescale combo?

grim pilot
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Mistake?

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Stonescales are good in high keys

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Because even if it proccs once in every few keys

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It still likely saves you a full wipe

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And rageheart is just an „oh shit” trinket

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Treemouth gives you bigger + better absorb but iirc can kill you

blazing condor
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at the top key levels you more or less need to use those kind of defensive trinkets

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there comes a point where things hit so hard youd need cheat death

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that or you plan pulls around its use to be able to time

pallid quiver
lusty grotto
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treemouth wont kill you unless youre doing RLP last boss and use it before getting dispelled

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thats the only caveat

fickle tundra
lusty grotto
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because the season doesnt matter

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and you cant buy treemouth with bullions

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they have more important trinkets to juggle too like manic for totem bosses etc

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even VDH discord recommends treemouth over rageheart

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and so does their wowhead/IV guides

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also if you bought something day 1 of the season, you might as well use it yea?

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also

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here is a big one

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Not-even-close doesnt have treemouth in it for calcs

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and they use that extensively for big ass keys

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notice how there's no treemouth? the calculations for it would be a big problem for ortemis

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this is for rank 1 keys

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and everyone else follows even though they dont need not-even-close calcs

fickle tundra
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Yeah, not even close shows me I can survive anything on 16. However, Im still working on my 14-15s as tank.

lusty grotto
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you

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dont need

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not-even-close

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youre not doing 22s

south zealot
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yeah i am

fickle tundra
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Need, no. Informative and useful for learning, yes.

lusty grotto
fickle tundra
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Like, whatever is tracked on not even close are things to look after as tank anyways.

lusty grotto
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did you skip what i just mentioned about it?

pallid quiver
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Bold of you to assume I don't need it at like +12s for my Shaman smh

fickle tundra
lusty grotto
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why would you use something that has invalid results

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and includes 0 spell block

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and no treemouth

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its for 20+ keys

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its not for you

fickle tundra
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I feel you are not reading what im writing

lusty grotto
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its not for me

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it adds nothing

fickle tundra
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The list of high dmg mechanics/casts to "check survivability" is interesting.

lusty grotto
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i mean i guess if youre working on 13s and you dont know what can kill you

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which is kinda rough

pallid quiver
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I think he also means for the sake of checking dps soecs, too

lusty grotto
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because at that point you should know

pallid quiver
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It can help to know what they'll dir to

lusty grotto
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🤷

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why would we care about dps

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the role, not our damage that one is important at least

fickle tundra
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Lemme put it this way:
Being that there's no single place to go learn "how to tank m+ as prot warrior", getting info from several places is the way to go

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For me.

lusty grotto
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the best way to get info is to run the key

fickle tundra
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Im also quite late in the game so everyone asumes you should know everything

pallid quiver
lusty grotto
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you cant babysit dps

pallid quiver
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Shamans are of note to me as I play one, and their defensive suite is

Less than preferable for over time cases

lusty grotto
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and rally is not for everything listed there, given its cd

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theres also the huge caveat where some of those abilities are stoppable

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because it does not list only boss abilities

pallid quiver
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It's most notable for those cases on boss abilities. You will sometimes just need to help out the group or they'll just die depending on your comp. Like, you can generally expect a Mage to be fine, but not all classes are privileged and have CDs up for everytime they have to take an unavoidable mech. It's why it's worth tracking party memeber defensive CDs for us since we do have a button to use that can determinsitically help someone live; it's not babysitting at that point. That's actual team play.

lusty tiger
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It’s def good to know rally for “boss ability” or “spec” dies

lusty grotto
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maybe i shouldn't have mentioned not-even-close to begin with

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nobody here does the level of keys that its used for, including me

fickle tundra
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One thing tho, like 99% of mages dont use defensives are are squishier than shamans.

fickle tundra
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Also threechest.io routes, even if its basically just beginner routes and vdh huge pulls

lusty grotto
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threechest is better than keystone.guru

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cause it preserves MDT

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ive basically replaced 2nd monitor routes glancing on keystone.guru with it

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for a while now

fickle tundra
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It took me a few days to understand that those "Expert" sample routes are like PLTP from raider.io (a vdh stronghold)

wind prawn
lusty grotto
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CPM should be 15+ on SS

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ideally

wind prawn
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CPM is cast per minute?

lusty grotto
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yes

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you have 4400 haste rating btw

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why are you using ITF

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oh nevermind

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youre not

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good, that was a trick question xan

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lol jk im dumb and didnt check talents

lusty grotto
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weekly keys routes are more than enough, everyone should be geared enough

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also i dont use threechest routes either, i just import from MDT

lusty grotto
wind prawn
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I am spamming IP to just dump range

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rage*

lusty grotto
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use IP only above 60-70 rage

wind prawn
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what else shoudl i be doing with it?

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Buy you are 100% correct i am spamming it bevcause I don't want to over cap rage 🙂

lusty grotto
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compare these 2

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my SS CPM is not ideal but its closer to 15

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youre not generating more rage than me

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and yet

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your IP casts are way more

wind prawn
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wow you have ~30% more SS then tclap, i have no idea how you are doing that

lusty grotto
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also this talent is bad

wind prawn
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I am pretty close to hitting SS every CD or so i bleieve

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okay

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I'll drop that

remote tusk
lusty grotto
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thats fine

fickle tundra
lusty grotto
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but also thats an ST fight except for add phase so

remote tusk
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Somehow had 17 CPM on Diurna

wind prawn
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So honesntly, i looks like you are just getting more CPM of revenge\tclap\SS then i am. Is it a hate thing? I am not sure how you are getting some many more GCDs then i am. I am spamming IP but that is off the GCD right

remote tusk
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Yeah

lusty grotto
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what do you mean a hate thing

fickle tundra
lusty grotto
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and yes IP is off-gcd

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but

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you shouldn't spam it

wind prawn
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Like you have more haste rating so you get more casts

lusty grotto
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oh haste, not hate

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uhhh

remote tusk
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They're also using Wreathe for weapon enchant.

lusty grotto
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i had 4400 haste rating th ere

wind prawn
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Yeah that is what i had about

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hmm,

lusty grotto
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uhh nvm i was looking at yours

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i had 6350 rating

wind prawn
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Oh shit

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lol

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Maybe that is it

lusty grotto
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yeah why are you using wreathe?

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wafting

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is objectively better

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and should sim better

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howling rune

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etc etc

wind prawn
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Sorry, what is wreathe

remote tusk
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You have the best weapon, so no reason to not get a Rank 3 Wafting Devotion.

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Weapon Enchant.

lusty grotto
wind prawn
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Oh what is the better enchange, i guess i am just ignorant

lusty grotto
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also you dont have a primary stat gem?

fickle tundra
remote tusk
lusty grotto
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☝️

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i wouldn't say its only a haste issue though

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but it'll help

wind prawn
lusty grotto
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thats an ideal situation with dummies

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its not in practice

wind prawn
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Or i am just slow to press butons

remote tusk
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Are you using macros to bind abilities together?

wind prawn
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negetive

merry sluice
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ima be honest
No matter their score or spec, randomly whispering me "I will destroy" and calling themselves a huge pumper doesnt exactly make me wanna take them lmfao

lusty grotto
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good

lusty grotto
south zealot
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16 rlp

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you just gottas hit the buttons idk

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get haste, a lot of it

wind prawn
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Hey Choco, explain this. You have about the same number of SS and tlcpas but your SS are on top. Where i am in the same boat but my tclaps are way ahead. Any ideas?
You:

lusty grotto
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outburst also factors in

south zealot
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if i had to guess, prioritizing outburts on ss

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these logs are pretty old so i dont know for sure

wind prawn
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Yeah i am not doing that yet as well

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I am not tracking outburst

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Good feeback

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feedback*

south zealot
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basically 99% of your outbursts should be on ss if you can manage it

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obviously things happen but should always aim to empower shield slam

lusty grotto
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this is the amount of thunderclaps you did with outbursts

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30 casts with outburst

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vs 31 SS outbursts

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that'll factor in a lot

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and btw, outbursted SS is a lot more rage intake as well

south zealot
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oh yeah this is my av

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114 ss 23 thunderclap

lusty grotto
south zealot
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more rage is more outburts/avatar/shield wall as well so it feeds into itself

lusty grotto
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☝️

south zealot
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more rage is also more fervid bites which is more roar cd

wind prawn
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Yeah that all makes perfect sense, I am just working up to tracking that 🙂 Thanks everyone

south zealot
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no problem

lusty grotto
wind prawn
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I'll take a look

lusty grotto
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im sure there are others

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so shop around in Wago

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another more min-maxy thing about hitting SS every reset is punish stacks, they do make a difference on prio hard-hitting mobs

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like wardens in nelth, axes in AA, etc

remote tusk
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I'm honestly wondering now how I am even able to play Protection Warrior. I really should bother to actually read talents at some point instead of just smashing keyboard.. 🥲

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But then again, I'm playing a Warrior so is reading something I should do.

pallid quiver
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I just press buttons

remote tusk
lusty grotto
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a lot of these things are benefits to just playing correctly

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so we dont really think about it, we just try our best to press SS everytime its up, its as simple as that

median tulip
zealous goblet
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THEY DONT FUCKING EXIST

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TREESPLINTER JUST DOES NOT EXIST

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I'VE NOT SEEN THE FUCKING THING IN 2 WEEKS OF HUNTING IT

long chasm
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Myth track one coming in your next vault

tribal wharf
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the only myth track items i want are some 16 tb hdd's

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few of those should do the trick

zealous goblet
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i finally got it

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it rolled avoidance too, god damn

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just needed to do a 7 while playing with 400 ping because myi nternet providers are actual fucking scam artists

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pieces of shit

crystal iris
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one of those nights lol

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both need a tank for the past 20-25 minutes

waxen frigate
crystal iris
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brack too, like wtf

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I finally broke the Nelth curse and timed a 14

waxen frigate
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i did a normal big pull in BH earlier in the season on my monk

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the same pull i always did in s2

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"you cant do that without vdh bro"

crystal iris
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haha

waxen frigate
crystal iris
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like there are no casters

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or not enough to warrent a VDH

waxen frigate
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my kick was on CD for the second fear

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nobody else used theirs

crystal iris
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sure if I triple in the first part of HoI VDH is the btter tank

crystal iris
lusty tiger
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@waxen frigate

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Hi handsome

waxen frigate
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😳

oblique gate
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Hello! for the 4 piece.. is there an offset piece we want between the 5?

autumn pawn
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Hey guys, i have been clearing +10s on my prot warrior which is my new alt.
But i seem to get destroyed by Wardens mostly in the first pull of Neltharus.

After looking it up now it says the tank buster is fire dmg, my question is: Would it be considered a spell where popping spell block does a difference or is it only just a get better angle?

ionic fern
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Yes.

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Spell Block works on it.

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If you don't feel comfortable on that pull you can also pop into defensive stance.

autumn pawn
# ionic fern Spell Block works on it.

I think my next run in that dungeon is going to be a lot easier then.
I mean, I'm the guy sitting in defensive stance 99,9% or the time anyway haha 😂

lusty grotto
sage rune
#

Hello, everyone! Im new at prot warrior and wanted to know how exactly we will proc fire damage to trigger rings? Will it be only shadowflame itens procs?

lusty grotto
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helm enchant, gholak, shadowflame patches, anvil/signet/augury

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you should have helm enchant + gholak, that is more than enough for rings

sage rune
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I see

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Thanks, mate

lusty grotto
#

👍

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bedge time

jagged pier
merry sluice
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sleep is a myth

timid nacelle
jagged pier
#

manage SB uptime more its a tad low

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manage outburst procs better your sedning it on TC too much

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also u should being running TLs instead of blood surge or disrupting shout

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u should really be considering if u actually need disruptin gshout from the looks of this logs u dont really need it

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also stoping being in Dstance

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your hp never even got close to 0

timid nacelle
#

Brilliant, yes I read about outburst the other day and meant to sort my WA for it. Love having disrupting shout in a pinch to help with caster groupings, and what do you mean by TL's? Thanks for taking the time to review and provide feedback, much appreciated.

jagged pier
#

but your not really doign anything with disrupting shout here with caster groups

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like it isnt helping u in the way u think it is

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and TLs is thunderlords

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a talent

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u can run disrupting by all means, but it does a lot less than ppl keep telling me it does

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🤷

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but if u want to run it

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u drop bloodsurge for it

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not thunderlords

timid nacelle
#

I drop it for a few runs and see how we go, thanks mate. Ill plan out some talent changes as well based on your input, love your work. Thank you

jagged pier
#

like u use disrupting shout 9 times but intim shout will inturpt most if not all of the casts u used to disrupting shout on,

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so your under using your other aoe stop

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which is fine u can run both but us both

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looks like youve fallen into the trap most ppl do which is only use disrupting and never pres intim shout

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so they just waste a talent point

timid nacelle
#

Haha funny you should say that, I realised yesterday I barely even use it for fear it would scatter the mobs, but last run I tried using it and the fear breaks so quickly its a non issue. Great call!

jagged pier
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exactly

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now it wont stop every cast because some mobs cant be feared etc but for 99% of the casts where ppl tell me disrupting shout is a must, intim shout will do the same thing

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but eh again im u wanna run it thats fine just make sure, your using both of them u can stop far more casts

ionic fern
#

Use it to group multiple packs of casters.

jagged pier
#

u can do that but at least for me depending on where and what dungeon cause los also does that

waxen frigate
#

I think the most obvious case in current content would be the Vexamus trash

orchid mural
#

IMO run both 🙂 Disrupting is so good for group survival and clumping enemies. Intim is great for when your group stupidly overstuns things, and you need a critical stop - fear is not a stun 🙂

autumn pawn
#

Anyone running Battle scared veteran in any dungeons? And what do you usually give up for it when picking it?

jagged pier
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nope u shouldnt need it anywhere

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but

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if u want to take it

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there is a build in the pins

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u cant just swap on talent for it really

autumn pawn
#

Okay I'll look at it. I didn't feel like needing it but the times i died it would have been nice if it saved my ass for little loss 😂

jagged pier
#

but its not a cheat death

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so i may not have stopped u dying anyway

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its closer to one now i suppose now its fixed

autumn pawn
#

It's not but it do sound super strong still.

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But i will probably not run it if it's too much of a hassle, but thanks for answering 🙂 I'll look it up in pins when im home 🙂

round pendant
#

Oh they fixed BSV?

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neat

terse oriole
#

Trying to tighten up my Prot war play and noticed some decent combo macros in the chat earlier (SS + IP), where can I find a list of some good ones to throw into my rotation?

jagged pier
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there arent any

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that macro isnt a combo

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and its not SS+ IP

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its IP + SS

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and its used to snipe SS resets when u press IP

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u still have a SS bind of its own

terse oriole
#

Ah that makes more sense cool

waxen frigate
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Hello protection warriors

jagged pier
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hi

undone beacon
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ew, protection warriors?!

round pendant
#

and to drop ravager on myself (I still have a button for manual targeting tho)

fickle tundra
compact silo
#

i dont find myself using spell block too often, like once in a dungeon or if i have to solo a boss after my whole party died 😄 should i just take "Tough as nails" instead?

jagged pier
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no u should be using it more

compact silo
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i mean spell reflect already does a similar job and i spam it all the time

compact silo
jagged pier
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no one is 1 refelct or defelct of one spell and 20% magic reduction

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spell block is anywhere from 60% to 100% magic reduction on nearly ever magic attack in sungeons

toxic pewter
#

I mean if you’re not taking any damage you’re not really doing any difficult content so your question doesn’t really matter

compact silo
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im doing over 10+ s

toxic pewter
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Just play any any build

compact silo
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and mythic raiding

toxic pewter
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Well you’re not taking any meaningful magic damage right so who cares

compact silo
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well mythic raid pugging more like

toxic pewter
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Ok go do it

jagged pier
#

so what your saying is your over geared for the content your doing

compact silo
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idk is 528 ilevel overgeared for 10+s and above?

jagged pier
#

that doesnt really mean u should play the wrong talents and not use your cds correctly

jagged pier
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for 10s

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100%

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ppl were doing 10s at 448

toxic pewter
compact silo
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so what should 527 be going for?

jagged pier
#

like 15+ i suppose

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whatever the highest keys are right now

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thats where gears actually gunna come into play some what

round pendant
#

My issue with Spell Block is that I have to figure out where it's useful but the problem is it's borderline useless until you get to difficult enough content where you die without it

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So I only end up using it in very specific spots

jagged pier
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like the raids and dungeons have been nerfed since the patch came out ttoo

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this is why there is a sheet

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to tell u

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when to use these things

compact silo
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so i can just take tough as nails until I see myself dying to spells

jagged pier
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or

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learn to use it correctly

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so u dont die anyway

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🤷

compact silo
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i havent died yet 😄

jagged pier
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and u probably wont if your doing 10s

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but that still doesnt mean we play incorrectly

compact silo
jagged pier
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touch as nails also does fuck all

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and u need to get to punish

compact silo
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do what with punish?

compact silo
jagged pier
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no

compact silo
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i mean i get 2 mil damage from heroic throw per dungeon (thats about 0.4%) so i figure tough as nails will surely do more considering every mob in the dungeon will attack me and it ignores armor

round pendant
# jagged pier when to use these things

Well, I know what can be blocked but not every pack is scary if you don't use spell block. Like, Spell Block is pretty good against trash in NO pretty broadly but in other dungeons I just dunno which packs are scary

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since I don't do hard keys

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but I would like to play more optimally just because playing right feels good

jagged pier
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and take 2 points in bloodbourne

round pendant
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Yknow, someone here should make a prot warrior dungeon routes guide with hints on what cooldowns are good where and why, etc 🤔

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I guess it only really applies to spell reflect and block cause everything else is basically used on cd

compact silo
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im not using disrupting shout

jagged pier
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hence why i also gave u another option

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if u read

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looking at a log i found of a 14 AA where someone is using tough as nails it did 6mil damage over the whole key a woping 4k dps

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just take the points in BB

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also theres got to be something wrong if your getting 2 mill damge from heroic throw

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thats giga high

jagged pier
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even then

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🤷

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like without TT i do like 200k at max

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TT isnt 10x more damage

compact silo
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i use it before every charge

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cuz by the time im at the target i have my gcd off

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bonus dmg 😎

round pendant
#

I also don't use shield wall enough tbh

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In higher keys it's basically every pack right?

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like once packs take longer than 15 seconds to kill

median tulip
#

Grrrr. PUG with a Druid AND an Evoker, both of whom don't seem to understand the instruction "stop knocking mobs into my rear arc"

pallid quiver
#

Just death strike it off, bro, what's the problem

compact silo
round pendant
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yeah I'm aware

merry sluice
median tulip
merry sluice
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It’s either they knock everything behind me, or they’ll randomly knock half the pack so there’s like 3 casters off in narnia not getting cleaved

median tulip
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Oh I hate it when they do it to caster packs. Yeah well done, you stopped one cast, at the cost of making it a PITA to kick any more.

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Especially when I've spent a load oof effort getting the pack into one nice cleavable lump and suddenly they are all over the shop again

waxen frigate
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I did like a similar key level with it just for the fuck of it iirc

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And it did maybe 1%

waxen frigate
merry sluice
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SOMETHING IS WRONG

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I CAN FEEL IT

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i got twin guardian from the evo twice

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an evoker that uses their utility is like world ending, lottery won

ornate thicket
#

Shaman should have knockup too instead of knockback except on sanguine weeks

merry sluice
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SO FUN FACT

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i've had 3 'wipes' on the last boss of AV today, where i was the only one elft standing bc noone killed crystals

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im in agony inside

mild sapphire
ornate thicket
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Yeah thats what i said lol. But i meant should as in they have to talent for it.

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Lot of sus talent builds in pugs

round pendant
#

Am I supposed to just kite the basilisks in uldaman

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they're so annoying

merry sluice
#

nooooo

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they fervant

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if you range the basilisks they can easily chomp other melee.

Either CC them
Evoker Caut/dwarf off bleed
Or LoS their chomp with the pillars in the room, but keep within range

round pendant
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once I run out of CCs I will just die

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because people won't kill them quick enough

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I should learn the los thing I guess

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My damage is so low this season

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and s2

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I think I just don't vibe well with this tier set AT ALL

pallid quiver
#

I mean

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The tier set is "continue to do your normal rotation"

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so

undone beacon
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yeah the tier set is basically ignorable lol

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maybe spending too much time hitting revenge or smthn

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I'm trying to decide what to buy with my bullions this week. I could get an anvil for funsies or go nab some weapon mogs to finish a set I want

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hmm

round pendant
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idk I did good damage in S1 and S3 but not in S2 or here

pallid quiver
#

then you played worse in S2 and here

round pendant
#

🤔

pallid quiver
#

Even more notable is that this is the same tier as S3, so

round pendant
#

WAIT WHAT

pallid quiver
#

You can't blame the tier on that

round pendant
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oh I might be swapping aberrus and amirdrassil

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ye

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yeah ok I checked my logs

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ok I've just fallen off since S1

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Saying that S1 was the only season where I reached a high ilvl and kept doing raids beyond just getting curve

pallid quiver
#

That could be part of it, as well, since most people aiming to parse get their gear then re-hit raids

ornate thicket
#

Yeah set bonus basically giving you DR passively for shield slamming targets with bleeds.

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But gotta tclap for rends and get at least one revenge out for deep wounds. If you have low shield block uptime your shield slams are hitting less too

zealous goblet
#

the more keys that get bricked the more i start to hear voices

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they started small at first

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but now i'm starting to hear
"take the improved bleed talent"
"run grieeeftoooorch"

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i swear to god i've not seen a good mage yet, they don't do any damage and die all the time. i'm gonna have to take it into my own hands soon

vocal cave
#

bruh, im yet to see boomkin that does damage in keys

elder yew
#

ive got max'd anvil icon and oce so far as dps but im bored and want to finish off the tier as prot. what should i use these 2 bullion on? the 1hander or another trinket ?

south zealot
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gholak weapon

crystal iris
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still having aggro issues as prot its wild

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like ill lose random aggro mid pull on one mob

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or 3

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Lashers are still a struggle when they spawn

crystal iris
south zealot
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its incredibly overrated

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well its a fine class just not for its damage

crystal iris
#

bUt ThE mDi UsES tHeM

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lol

south zealot
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they wouldnt if u could use 2 spriests

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but thats banned

crystal iris
#

im surprised high key pushers dont use warlocks

south zealot
#

well destro is mostly pad, their prio damage is super low

crystal iris
#

ah

south zealot
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i think demo is better than destro personally

crystal iris
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i had one that would have 30 imps at the end of a pull

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and as I was gathering he would implode them all

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like bruh

south zealot
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the urge to implode imps before they kill themselves is too strong

lusty grotto
#

choco

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what was your top dam in AA w/o an aug?

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350?

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around that?

south zealot
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on logs or details

lusty grotto
#

details

south zealot
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475

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no monk though

lusty grotto
#

without an aug or with one

south zealot
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without

lusty grotto
#

hmm

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2/2 bloodborne?

south zealot
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.

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it was like an 11 iirc

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yes

lusty grotto
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hmmm

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what are you dropping for it

south zealot
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spellblock bloodsurge

crystal iris
#

does this look ok for first pulls of RLP?

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where is the jugg at in its patrol when i get there? easy to pull?

zealous goblet
# crystal iris

im not an expert, but im curious, what key levels you doing?

zealous goblet
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jfc

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i've started pulling much smaller because my pugs yell a lot if i pull more than 2 packs

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no meme

crystal iris
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i just tried that first pull on 16 then 15 and couldnt survive it

zealous goblet
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i'm at 14s~

crystal iris
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i had some chill pugs tho and its monday night so why not try

zealous goblet
#

ye for sure

crystal iris
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but i've essentially done that pull on a 14 (with the first jug not the second) and it was ok

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but gathering is fkn ROUGH

zealous goblet
#

i personally do the first floor in 3 pulls. i pull first jugger and those 2 hall packs, then i pull the group of 3, and the other group of 3 right around the corner, and thne i pull the stray shit into the last juggernaut, and pull miniboss when the small fry die

crystal iris
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and when spell block runs out and the chillweavers start chain casting on you it gets scary

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ya thats how I usually do it

zealous goblet
#

next week should be more pug friendly i hope.

crystal iris
#

this week was a super easy week though

zealous goblet
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naw man i keep having problems with people not kicking

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especially the expulses on hoi

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the 2 packs before the last boss

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or uh, first boss*

crystal iris
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ya those are always a bit rough

zealous goblet
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they just don't get them

crystal iris
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especially annoying is first pull when you pull them and start running to the other packs

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and the one behind you goes off

zealous goblet
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i bet they're trying their best, i'm not gonna shit on them, but i kinda have my hands tied once i have no more cc

crystal iris
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like im trying to stay alive get aggro on everything that mob is no where near me. you twits have nothing else to do other than watch me gather and kick that cast

zealous goblet
#

they are the ones who die to it instantly, surely self preservation oughta kick in

zealous goblet
#

(it doesn't)

lusty grotto
#

there are no more fort push weeks

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this is the last one

zealous goblet
#

every week is a push week for me, i need to get good, i need to sweat

lusty grotto
#

next week is kind of the last tyrannical push week

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there could be 1 more

lusty grotto
#

the next fort week is bolstering

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which is a no-go

zealous goblet
#

it is ok

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i shall manage

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it will awaken my third eye

lusty grotto
#

the we get raging fort

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after that

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aug 6 is the only theoretical push week after that and thats after the leaked prepatch date

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so season is over by then

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but i mean sure

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you can go past 13s on non-push weeks

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in theory

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but it'll be way harder than this week, by a lot

neat crow
#

Is there any specific packs/bosses i should be using spell block on in m+? Coming back to pwarr from BFA when we didn't have it at all so i'm not really sure where it should be used. Kinda just want an idea of what i'd be using it on or is it just an on cooldown kinda talent that'll be up for most pulls anyways?

violet ginkgo
lusty grotto
#

☝️

merry sluice
#

alrigth 4 bricked nelths ina row, this dungeon is so ass

neat crow
ionic fern
violet ginkgo
#

group I think

merry sluice
#

group, im having zero issues surviving, but i've had two ina row where literally only one dps even kicked.
Tossed out shockwave and intim, stormbolt, even fucking held shield charge to stun a magma conflag and just watched noone make a single effort to CC

Wipe before the first boss, someone instant leaves.

Then ofc 3300 io shadow priest baiting magmatuska cross the entire damn room. Same shadow priest who made a huge deal over making sure our group knew how to skip hunters, pulls hunters dies and says "too many" leaves.

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this key is a fucking pug nightmare and i'v;e lost any motivation to even touch it

lusty grotto
#

both that and uldaman are just a lot more tedious to pug than any of the other ones

#

there's just so much stuff that needs to be taken into consideration in them

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the first pulls arent even overloaded with cognitive shit

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but skipping hunters is kind of rough

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with pugs

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i think the good thing is that the key is basically over if the first pulls fail

violet ginkgo
#

@merry sluice you have to remember that no one will CC because "It's not targetted at me, not my problem." Plus with the usual bad habit caused by VDH

lusty grotto
#

so its a short one

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i kinda like that they are challenging in that way, but it really does take a mental toll

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i literally have to stand up and walk around for 5 mins after one

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sub 15, its kind of rough though, its not just stopping Conflag, and kicking molten cores, Chargath is a problem in vault keys

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even in fort

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its fine though, season is basically over after next week

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since no push weeks 🙂

#

time to rest and play elden ring and dawntrail

violet ginkgo
#

I wonder what will happen at TWW Nim, after those VDH nerf a lot of dps player probably be "Wdym I have to CC/Interupt?"

lusty grotto
#

we will see

lusty grotto
#

lol

jagged pier
zealous goblet
#

speaking of uldaman

#

can i expect this treesplinter to do wonders for my basilisk problem?

south zealot
unkempt hazel
#

lmao

zealous goblet
#

i feel like those things do not care about shield wall

#

i'm not sure if i'm dumb or not

lusty grotto
#

wall reduces the damage

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but neither of these things will make you invulnerable to it

#

3 stacks and depending on the key and you might be dead

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2 is already danger zone, 1 is livable

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4 is delete your character time

violet ginkgo
#

😱

merry sluice
# lusty grotto so its a short one

dw the nelth experience got even better

Watched 3 people die on the pull immediately after chargath...
didnt even do the 'big' pull

they just all died to a nsingle hunter.

#

this feels like a parody of bad pugs

lusty grotto
#

well youre not supposed to pull hunters in fort

merry sluice
#

correct
hbut if they cant live 1 hunter and they wont skip it

#

then ;x

lusty grotto
#

true

merry sluice
#

that's a bit ridiculous

lusty grotto
#

but honestly hunters are just overtuned

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and there's no way to outplay it

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they just send the jump and bleed

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and that's a dead group mate

radiant mortar
#

anyone here that is good with math to text?

blazing condor
#

what are you looking to do?

radiant mortar
#

D_{0}=(2.32_{-2.10}^{+20.79} is this correct?

#

I know the basics on how to write out math but Im not sure in this case

blazing condor
#

yeah dawg imma keep it real

#

i have no idea

radiant mortar
merry sluice
#

Look man

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you're asking the warrior discord

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about math

#

go ask the arcane mages

radiant mortar
#

Im not active there :(

#

asked the priest and druid too

blazing condor
#

feels like a chat gpt angle

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if you can somehow explain it

#

im not nerdy enough to know what im looking at but im assuming you know

mellow bridge
#

playing single hunters in neltharus is fine

#

you are basically forced to play 1 at least

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double-pulling them is where it gets spicy (and not recommended)

radiant mortar
shy mulch
#

Am I seeing this correctly? Basically zero changes to the TWW Prot talent tree from live? Haven't been plugged in for a bit.

strong forum
#

correct

#

#NoChanges

shy mulch
#

And how are people feeling abou that? Again - as someone who hasn't played prot in a while the spec actually feels pretty good.

strong forum
#

the spec is good

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the issue is tree is so good that a single point is worth 5%+ dps

#

so youre terminally locked into a certain spec

shy mulch
#

Wonderful

#

Colossus seems powerful yet boring. Reviewing the other one now

strong forum
#

mountain thane plays extremely smooth

shy mulch
#

Fack

strong forum
#

colossus plays clunky

shy mulch
#

didn't see that channel

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apologies

neat crow
#

how do we deal with the drake frontals in HoI? Spell block is ok for one round of it but then im having to either run a mile away from the group or INTO the group and all choices feel awful

hardy snow
neat crow
jagged pier
#

u outrange it

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u spell block it

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u sw it

hardy snow
strong forum
#

its a really short breath

hardy snow
#

yea, its not like breath from tictac ad

neat crow
#

i feel like on that one i have next to 0 space for it

hardy snow
#

outranging is the last thing to do imo, you should plan your CDs first

neat crow
#

so i can just facetank with shield wall?

strong forum
#

ideally you dont pull the 2nd drake

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ah nvm

neat crow
strong forum
#

the 3rd drake*

jagged pier
neat crow
#

like i know there's a skip but im not even in double digits yet LOL

strong forum
#

oh

#

you kinda just do this then

#

just make sure to reflect/shockwave the ice shard casts

#

and use SW/Spellblock for breath, if you REALLY dont want to outrange it

#

but id suggest just outranging the breath

#

and use defensives for iceshard casts instead

neat crow
#

i find it easier to outrange on the 3rd but the first and 2nd feel really weird

strong forum
neat crow
#

like i just have no room

#

and if i do go back everyone just runs into the breath like zoo animals

strong forum
#

youll find a way

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or just eat it

#

doesnt rly hurt in single digit levels

jagged pier
#

tbh i just eat it

#

in 10s and lower

round pendant
#

That corridor is rough in pugs

#

pulling second dragon + those 4 mobs = everyone dies for some reason

#

never had that issue the last time we had HoI tho

hardy snow
#

before entering corridor you can tell your team you will move like that, so they know what to do

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and if they fk up - you just dont care about it

neat crow
#

ok I'll try thanks

manic pecan
#

Do you spread mortal strikes or just priority target in aoe?

violet ginkgo
#

But why mortal strikes asked in Prot channel instead of Arms Channel?

orchid gulch
#

That's a weird way to spell shield slam.

round pendant
#

Pretty sure you don't bother spreading mortal strikes

orchid gulch
manic pecan
#

My bad I’m not smart. Wrong channel 😦 but thanks!

plush path
#

is it for helping to know what to pull?

ornate thicket
#

Its mythic dungeon tools addon. Super useful for setting up pull routes in m+ and making sure you dont go over/under count

jagged pier
#

I mean all dungeons if u just press w u will get count or just over by the end of the dungeon

#

U only need certain routes when keys get high

crystal iris
#

its pretty easy to outrange it tbh

#

lots of room

merry sluice
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i finally... hit enough haste to comfortable swap out of heavy reprecussions
and the season is basically over now

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🙂

crystal iris
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just now? how did it take so long lol

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between crafted gear, cloaks and haste ring its pretty easy no?

crystal iris
merry sluice
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'haste ring'

crystal iris
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ah your right its only 544

merry sluice
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one ring deleted my haste, and the other doesnt even hav ehaste as the highest budget

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and a bunch of shit didnt drop haste outside of crafted x.x

crystal iris
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week 1 lol

merry sluice
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literally been gorging on Feisty Fishsticks crying

crystal iris
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i dont know if this is suicidal / even possible in pugs

jagged pier
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I literally do all up to the mini boss in my keys of im feeling spicy that day

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I dont die

strong forum
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i do this

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or well did

plush path
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for weapon enchant do i want sophic or wafting devotion

strong forum
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wafting

rancid tiger
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ok, i gotta ask as new prot warrior. we do not like magic dmg or am i wrong?

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aaand i just realized we have spell block

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jesus

dusky ravine
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lmaoo

plush path
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use spell block and spell reflect

merry sluice
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the best magic mitigation is having DPS that actually CC/kick

ornate thicket
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Best magic mitigation ive found is to not invite ragnaros or quel thalas players into my pug keys

urban portal
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If it’s expected you spell reflect/spell block it

lusty grotto
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servers are not to blame by specific players

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if that was the case, illidan and a52 would be banned harder than any of those 2

jagged pier
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depends if your EU or NA

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but your all wrong the best mitigation is not playing

lusty grotto
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hes clearly NA

jagged pier
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i dunno ppl thought i was NA for along time

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🤷

south zealot
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specifically saying rag and qt means ur na player

lusty grotto
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yea

south zealot
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that or undercover eu agent trying to be na

ornate thicket
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Stereotypes exist for a reason 🤷‍♂️

jagged pier
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they arent great servers in EU ither

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might be obvious to u

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because u are NA

south zealot
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a lot of rag and qt players are good though

lusty grotto
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whether stereotypes exist or not is completely separate

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yeah

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high io rag/qt and any brazil server are extremely good

rancid tiger
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if avoiding ppl its mainly spanish realms tbh

lusty grotto
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in comparison with other common servers like illidan and a52

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yeah thats just plain ole racism

ornate thicket
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Its not

south zealot
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the best healer ive ever played with was from chile i believe

ornate thicket
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Racism is hatred towards another race. I choose to avoid language barriers and stereorypical rage quitters when i game though yes. I also avoid OCE serverw for latency

south zealot
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well one of the best

lusty grotto
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then avoid illidan and a52 and stormrage if you want to avoid "rage quitters"

ornate thicket
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Ive played with some great latin players.

south zealot
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illidan has the most ragequitters

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illidan is a highly competitive server bc its the most popular

pallid quiver
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Can confirm, Illidan has had the single most amount of rage quitters, followed by A52. likely because there's more players

lusty grotto
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yeah turns out, bigger concentration of player yields more bad apples, who knew

south zealot
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well not exclusively bc its popular, it got popular bc its competitive but yknow what i mean

rancid tiger
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keep in mind i didnt say spanish talking ppl

south zealot
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you mean the crowd of exclusively latam players

lusty grotto
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im aware those are spanish realms

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i think we're all aware

ornate thicket
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Usually ragequit comes from the players that fuck up royally and then group wipes as a result. Like damn man you had a bad play and then ruined our key by leaving

lusty grotto
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so every server

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and not just X and Y

south zealot
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the 'ragequits' i get are usually ppl fed up with 1-2 players having a terrible key

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i think ur just in low keys man idk

ornate thicket
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I even understand those

south zealot
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ragequits arent even common at all

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its usually a mutual disband

lusty grotto
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yeah this isnt about anything we're discussing after the fact

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its the fact that he specifically mentioned 2 servers to "avoid"

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which is fucking ridiculous

south zealot
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also drakkari is another latam server

lusty grotto
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add azralon to the list

ornate thicket
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My experiences are generally bad with those servers. You dont have to agree. Im not even upset that you don't

south zealot
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oh shit i forgot about azralon

lusty grotto
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well im upset youre saying it here

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keep it to yourself

pallid quiver
ornate thicket
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A mutual disband isnt what im talking about but yeah lol

south zealot
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i agree but weekly keys are cessspools and not worth even doing for how unbelievably unfun they are

ornate thicket
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Its generally understood by all at that point

crystal iris
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how do you skip stinkbreath with a lock?

south zealot
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