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fickle tundra
torn geyser
EU
tribal wharf
Only need a tank <:wicked:937093876857045012>
o7
torn geyser
xd
tribal wharf
i hope for the best, but 5 warrior is a recipe for disaster
cerulean tusk
Time to see, 5 warrs are united
Tank left
well, rather, DCd and never came back
unique sky
Does the note say “only queue if you are able to carry me”?
unique sky
😄
merry sluice
I’d be down to suffer that horrific meme and watch the wipe fest
If it wasn’t EU e.e
lusty grotto
EU only
in murica we dont do that, except when i rallied some chads in BFA
we did have Late making an NA char though 🙂
jagged pier
i looked but couldnt find it when i got on, probably for the best tho as im washed and would have died alot
clever arch
any high rio warri in here? which 2 trinkets should i go for m+ only? Seems like many got cheat death + Fyrakk Rageheart. What second trinket if i dont want to run cheat death? Augury or Enduring Dreadplate? Any suggestions
mellow bridge
wouldnt run rageheart personally
good choices are: splinter, dreadplates, anvil, all-totem (for aoe pad and some stat value), theoretically signet brand but it's hard to keep up the stacks
you should def consider cheat death if you are pushing for high keys tho
grieftorch can also be very good but you need to be smart about how you use it
for a good all-around combo I would recommend dreadplates + anvil
sour citrus
Augury + dreadplate is what I use.
fickle tundra
you should def consider cheat death if you are pushing for high keys tho
100%. Im already feeling the need on 14s fort.
jagged pier
im running torch and anvil
strong forum
100%. Im already feeling the need on 14s fort.
thats concerning
given that in 15/16s i felt like i still take 0 dmg
but whatever makes you feel more comfortable ig
fickle tundra
I mean, say an AV14 furries, I'm having a hard time surviving when stops are missed whereass on a 12-13, it felt manageable.
strong forum
i mean...
nobody is comfortable tanking the furies for extended periods
and thats only 2 pulls
in the entirety of AV
1 if you do scuffed route
that pull is also supposed to die in like 30seconds
merry sluice
unless you're paladin and can reset stacks twice without doing anything WHOOOOoo
kidding.
But also that's like your biggest weakness as warrior, and if ur truly struggling its on your dps for being BAD TBH. Some keys, even at the exact same level can be drastically easier (or harder) regardless of how 'good' the comp is, just by virtue of having players with like one brain cell
strong forum
^
i did 16AV fort twice in the same day a few weeks ago
1 with a pug
and 1 with premade
and it was honestly easier in the pug
cuz at the time around that level the DPS actually also pay attention
and are aware of the fact that the group will wipe if the casts go off
in keys lower than that,people are less likely to actually develop a braincell mid pull
dusky canopy
I mean, say an AV14 furries, I'm having a hard time surviving when stops are mis...
You won’t feel comfortable if your party members are doing fuck all to assist you with their cc
fickle tundra
Uldaman crocs also hurt this gnome a lot.
strong forum
luckily
thats only 1 pull
and the first one at that
which you lust anyway
and turbo destroy
fickle tundra
and I havent even tried to do the big first pull including crocs
strong forum
strong forum
and I havent even tried to do the big first pull including crocs
oh.
fickle tundra
I bring crocs to the 2nd pull
strong forum
2nd pull?
fickle tundra
but that wasnt ideal
fickle tundra
im not doing this one yet
strong forum
dont pull the corner pack
in pull 1
that is 1 additional interrupt on a mob that is bumfuck behind everyone else
and same as your pull 2 is 1 additional interrupt during the boss, which is also bad
strong forum
that is 1 additional interrupt on a mob that is bumfuck behind everyone else
so you need to rely on your DPS to kick that one in
bad pull
fickle tundra
i love you all, thx for this.
any repository for routes that I can check?
I'm using raider.io and threechest.io atm and it looks like I need to expand my horizons.
fickle tundra
well then, I'll def be asking some questions on my current "questionable pulls"
thx nome and all
crystal iris
I just did this without the 3 last mobs and got fkn wreked
fk ulduman
the first few pulls of uld always fuck me up
well not always
but idk. I feel like I could tank 16-17s for AV / BH / AA. But Uld 14s have me scared
merry sluice
ik people are scared of evokers
but my god
resto druids in this like mid-teens are either amazing, or the most useless ever xD
i guess the same can be said for any fotm but my god its really annoying when its a resto bc they'll do like negative healing
and wont abuse their busted dps
lusty grotto
yeah thats the fotm curse
see every mage ever
and every SP ever
theres 2 states: good or absolute dogshit
remote tusk
can confirm, am too
fickle tundra
Every player ever is either good or absolute dog shit
good is a spectrum lol
median tulip
god pugging Vault is such a shitshow
maiden ravine
anyone else gonna be tanking in the diving suit?
clever arch
where do you los/settle pull1? And i would be interested in pull1 of azure vault, normaly pull all but with no dh perma silence the lashers are painfull
strong forum
LoS around the pillars
toxic pewter
Someone talked down on us on Reddit again
Highest upvoted comment
Even talked the guy out of rolling prot warr
strong forum
reddit is lead by casuals
so whatever is the most popular opinion gets upvoted
not whatever is correct
toxic pewter
Do you think it’s worth arguing with them
It’s all just futile right
I shouldn’t waste my time I keep falling into this sigh
strong forum
no its not worth at all
left escarp
Someone talked down on us on Reddit again
Lul
toxic pewter
This guy said we bad cuz we can’t heal
strong forum
This guy said we bad cuz we can’t heal
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
WHERE IS IT
toxic pewter
Lol I mean I can dm u the post
strong forum
pick your battles
and reddit battles aint worth
you cant have a normal conversation
same with twitch
pallid quiver
Reddit battles are always worth as long as you bring the Rocks of Shame
left escarp
pallid quiver
they're like bean bags, except shame is written on them
toxic pewter
They really aren’t nome is wise once again
merry sluice
Are Healers okay today?
Go into neltharus, healer dies every single pull, rage quits restodruid fotm whOHohOhoh
go into another nelthaurs, already being ballsy and fighting two blacksmiths at once. restodruid again loses his fucking mind says we dont ahve % turns around, and pulls the miniboss onto us percent was completely perfect for 100%
I feel like neltharus is actually like fucking cursed in pugs
toxic pewter
I fall so easily into Reddit battles and they never turn out well
pallid quiver
That sounds just like a usual pug experience, tbh
merry sluice
fun one was watching 6 deaths before the first boss bc only me and the ret had any kicks on the thaumaturge's
pallid quiver
now imagine that, but being in a call with the other people who are vehement the ret's not doing anything, and they're carrying those pulls so hard
south zealot
prot warrior is fine against a lot of magic damage bc of spell block
really really good while its up and you have stuff for when its not
lusty grotto
merry sluice
You’re doing your part
pallid quiver
brb, making sock puppet accounts to downvote nim
south zealot
any linker
lusty grotto
done
strong forum
you guys are way too bored
zealous goblet
apparently you can sidestep the basilisk chomps in uldaman?
can someone confirm? mdt doesn't specify
strong forum
you can outrange it
not "sidestep"
you can also just stun it
and they wont recast
lusty grotto
nome they fervent
so yes you can outrange it, just make sure you dont have melee
(:
lusty grotto
ye
strong forum
is not hard
strong forum
or just parry it
lusty grotto
someone def confused chomp with spear flurry
or something
cause thats the only bleed you can sidestep
this season at least
zealous goblet
i'm not dying anymore but i'm definitely having difficulties
so i guess i'm doing something sorta right
merry sluice
or beg your garbage pug fotm evoker who doesnt know half their kit to caut you
an then watch as they just don't
pallid quiver
What he means by that is that they're flagged to count them as having cast it when you stop them, so they have to wait for the cd of their ability before they can try that again
Contrast that with an enemy who gets stunned during a spell cast, then instantly tries to cast that same spell again
Until they either get normal interrupted or they succeed at casting
zealous goblet
oh, but still good to know
fallen spindle
im in for the parry part or i run a little away and if shits hot i dwarf those sucker basillisk bastards. but ok i dont do high keys
zealous goblet
man i'm annoyed i'm finding it harder and harder to push, but not because of my ability, but the amount of keys not being hosted
where all my 13s at
i need like 4 more before i go to 14s
merry sluice
if you don't wanna risk fervant, don't have bleed cleanse, and don't trust group to cc
you can try and dance aorund the pillars when the chomp channels, to LoS the basilisks before they hit you
but you will likely also LoS healer in the process
fallen spindle
or taht
lusty grotto
yeah please dont kite it
youll kill your melees
just send a stop
shockwave, or fear
its a lust pack so it'll go down fast, or should
zealous goblet
youll kill your melees
lusty grotto
you mean 5 tanks
what the fuck is the healer gonna do?
also its been done
time and time again
zealous goblet
imma be real i'm joking but i'm unsure how much more clear i can make it a joke aside from just saying it's a joke
lusty grotto
its not a joke though cause 5 tank keys have been done
merry sluice
well the real joke is thinking you can pug uldaman and not wanna rip your hair out
maiden ravine
5 bear keys were awesome. My favorite is the all bear raids
arctic finch
can someone explain to me why does the last boss in AV randomly dragon strike's me through reflect
the first boss too , it doesnt happen often , but it does happen i am definately not imagining it
lusty grotto
server ticks
SR early and its occurence lowers
the later you do, the more chances youll be ticked
lusty grotto
nice
i havent actually played cause i really dont want to beat fucking mohg for the 8th time
but im guessing i will this weekend
ng7 😢
strong forum
first play through?
ye
dusky canopy
ye
I envy you my friend! I wish I could un play it just to re experience it again
such a vast world with so much to do and collect
dusky canopy
the dlc bosses are a great challenge
strong forum
so far, not
dusky canopy
just wait
strong forum
most trouble i had so far was with rellana and that was only 12 tries
strong forum
good
cuz twitter complained about fucking blackgaol knight and rellana
and theyre both fairly much nothing
dusky canopy
nah those were easy
the hard ones are last boss, and the boss as far west as you can go
idk if you care about spoilers?
dusky canopy
kk thought so
dusky canopy
so like boss names are whatever?
strong forum
nah i know a big chunk of lore
so the story also matters
i just need to stay away from twitter
dusky canopy
oh yeah you got some good lore ahead of you then!
strong forum
cuz people be posting boss pictures
and i hate it
i want to know absolutely nothing
dusky canopy
whats your playstyle?
dusky canopy
fuck yeah my man
same here
colossal giant slayer
80 strength
zugzug
my jump right trigger does like 3k AR
simple drum
Do we have a best/most ideal Horde race?
dusky canopy
lmao
strong forum
tauren cuz 2% crit damage
simple drum
Crit is huge for Prot?
strong forum
yes
simple drum
Huge gg
strong forum
defensively vulpera is very comforting
cuz it lets you setup pulls in m+ alot easier
and the heal you can throw on people can crit for alot
simple drum
How is Goblin? That’s what I was leaning towards
strong forum
fairly irrelevant
but races arent a huge impact anyway
theyre QoL if anything
but most importantly just play whatever you like to look at the most
lusty grotto
i just like exploring the game
i did that when it first came out, i liked the exploring th ing
will probably do that with shadow as well
cinder nova
cuz twitter complained about fucking blackgaol knight and rellana
Like... the moon bitch?
The one you can just kinda rush and slap the daylights out of?
cinder nova
whats your playstyle?
I kinda resent that EL has been very candid in how it doesn't want you to parry meme your way through the game.
Because that's how I played almost every FS game up to this point.
cinder nova
I don't hate it, but I need my parry dopamine
lusty grotto
double parries are kind of ugh
cinder nova
Oh god yeah
lusty grotto
but at least they are present
cinder nova
Having to double parry ||the spirit of blaidd or whatever|| was annoying as fuck.
lusty grotto
lol
cinder nova
Not so much the parry itself, but tracking if it was 1 or 2.
Because sometimes I'd parry and backstep for spacing
cinder nova
Oh is that DLC?
cinder nova
Yeah gotta get stomped by Yugi Moto so he can send you to the Shadow Realm
cinder nova
Imagine every poor bastard he just mindbroke got dumped there
One of them runs up to some random mob and challenges him to a game of duel monsters only to get turned into jammy red paste
Then wake up in a cold sweat next to a weird glowing sliver of yellow light
No wonder Seto came back different
dusky canopy
99 hours on my first character to full clear NG0 base game+dlc 😄
such a good time
11/10 recommend
granite briar
love you my prot boys
unkempt hazel
(Nome this is a completed map dont look)
I think im finished boys..
now do it again
tough patio
Someone talked down on us on Reddit again
had a friend starting tanking, he didnt know shit, I just pulled for him (im a priest) and he then tanks the pulled mobs
if talking very low keys, ppl need to have understanding
merry sluice
I think a lot of bad DPS don't realize how much control they can have in making a run smoother or harder for Tanks.
I think about this often when I see DPS just refuse to interurpt shit like nokhud corruptors or AV furies
jagged pier
you want dps to learn 
merry sluice
My wants are not always reasonable
I think I'm better off pursuing world peace first
that's a little more reasonable and down to earth
jagged pier
blazing condor
dps spend all time looking at their buttons
merry sluice
fuck it, im tired of being brown name
blazing condor
cherry theorycrafter confirmed
jagged pier
merry sluice
I have evolved
blazing condor
merry sluice
I forgot nitro gave me those
I got kicked out my old guild bc my prot warrior off-tank kept spamming whirlwind and couldnt hold aggro, so I have a free boost
blazing condor
so whyd they kick you
merry sluice
Bc I was a lot newer and saying "I noticed some key rotational problems that may be leading to threat issues" was apparently crossing the line
My prot paladin was ripping aggro from gholak procs and judgement.
I've come to the realization since that a lot of raid tanks have no idea what they're doing, and don't care at all bc "lol its tank dps"
jagged pier
see in my guild when i first joined i just started talking shit about how bad the other tanks were
unkempt hazel
kind of incredible how some players just cant take any sort of criticism whatsoever
jagged pier
merry sluice
im trying for a new gorup and its gone way better.
unkempt hazel
merry sluice
no no the wild part
merry sluice
is i've gone through two guilds ina row, where both tanks yelled at me and asked for me to be removed bc I out aggroed them.
THey told me i was wrong for 'dpsing when im not active'
On prot paladin
unkempt hazel
joined and started asserting dominance
merry sluice
man i even swapped out of moment of glory and crit wings
and they couldnt hold aggro
even intentionally desynced divine toll and wings to do less dmg
blazing condor
unfortunately very common
merry sluice
you'd think, since he was a prot warrior
blazing condor
RL raging at me for "padding" when im just doing high dps and ripping
marsh musk
Guilds that are recruiting tanks have a lil bit of a red flag to me
Why was that spot open, what happened
merry sluice
he'd understand I need to dump my spends for CDR
unkempt hazel
real
blazing condor
tanks are always real life friends who are officers
for some reason
cant get a spot to save your life
merry sluice
first guild I was actually tanking with for a few seasons, my co-tank didn't wanna play fated raid so leade rof the guild insisted he could tank... He could not.
Second guild, idk wtf happened
new guild im trying for (which is going well so far) aren't 'new' players, but are forming something new for TWW, so I got lucky there
First guild I left bc after trying to dig through logs and help him out, i was told to "just stop dpsing when you're not active" and bc i refused i was called inflexible and told i burnt bridges with the officers, so I left on my own accord
unkempt hazel
💀
I had a raid where I tried that
some pug where off tank couldn't hold aggro for the life of me
spent half the run just doing nothing
unkempt hazel
yep
merry sluice
so brain off
do you really wanna not try to push your DPS too? or you know, press a button?
that's like all we have to do for 80% of every tier i stg
unkempt hazel
bros expecting me to just tab off when other tank taunts
merry sluice
not to mention for for pally or warrior if we full stop DPS
we literally dont have defensive CDs lol
unkempt hazel
I've been mostly monk tanking lately so whats that
another thing I notice with off tanks is that they rarely pull with taunt
jagged pier
i never pull with taunt unless i have too
unkempt hazel
or well... main tanks?
jagged pier
my damage speaks for itself
merry sluice
TBH That's why I'd prefer they taunt first
get those lusts and CDs running with the threat mod to make up for their low dmg
but the bigger issue i've noticed with a lot of tanks that fail to hold threat isn't even just the dps issue
but also that they either waste globals, or send pitiful buttons as they taunt
so they get 300% of 0
That's also the issue i had with my prot warrior co-tank
Opener was cooked, he'd like taunt, charge, thunderclap, avatar, shield slam, ravager in that order eveyr pull
waxen frigate
so brain off
do you really wanna not try to push your DPS too? or you know, pres...
BACK IN MY DAY TANKS JSUT HELD AGGRO
NO FANCY PANCY DPS
violet ginkgo
maybe not this game but you guys know Tarisland Right?
Crazy how the holy trinity system has been out for so long but DPS always Let me charge first, then die fast, just let tank grab aggro first wtf.
dusky canopy
What’s aggro?
regal summit
Hi i play mythic + only no raid and wonder what to spend my bullion on. I got gholak, verdan matrix beacon , both fire rings and for trinkets i have gift of ursine and enduring dreadplate. should i buy ouroboreal necklet or fyrakks tainted heart or any other suggestion
crystal iris
Hi i play mythic + only no raid and wonder what to spend my bullion on. I got gh...
do you have a mythic shield?
if not, the one from gnarlroot is generally recommended
crystal iris
oh sorry I cant read
this discord will tell you that treemouths >> fyraaks
and wont recommend you buy it
regal summit
oh okay so necklace then?
crystal iris
or other trinkets
depends if you want damage trinkets, lot of people here run anvil
or All totem
crystal iris
whats your current neck?
regal summit
515 crafted neck
crystal iris
you dont have a hero neck? theres a nice one that drops from ulduman
regal summit
nope i dont
crystal iris
I'm not sure about ursine I've never run it. I usually use Treemouths and dreadplates or treemouth and cheat
regal summit
oh okay so keep farming for teemouth
treemouth
but then i should buy necklace since its the only thing i can buy
crystal iris
or buy rageheart if you hate the farming for treemouth lol
regal summit
but is dreadplate and rageheart good combo?
regal summit
like +8 - +10'
rn
but wanna do a little higher
i got champion all totem in bag also and hero ursine
crystal iris
funny enough gift of ursine vengeance probably isnt bad id keep that and dreadplates for now
its good damage
regal summit
oh okay
crystal iris
idk i dont think you should buy a neck
when youll get one from hero dungeons sooner than later
regal summit
hmm i dont know what to buy then haha
crystal iris
Also granyths enduring scale from nokuud is a pretty good absorb shield
sounds like theres not much you really need persay
if you feel like you really want an absord shield and treemouths isnt dropping go for fyraaks
and run that with either dreadplates or usrsine
Im sure a few here would recommend you buy anvil for the damage, but im not a fan in M+
merry sluice
I'd recommend anvil over signet in dungeons since shorter fights + much easier to maintain stacks
But I just dont like anvil at all personally.
that said unless you're actually looking to push push, you can totally just run offensive trinkets so don't sweat that
after all more dmg = shorter fights = less dmg taken
plush tendon
Anvil is easier to maintain in keys then Signet since you can reactivate it outside combat to reset the timer on the buff
crystal iris
my point is more that I find it annoying
plush tendon
but if you are like me, and just do some weekly keys on your warrior, just run All-Totem and Dreadplate
crystal iris
Idk when signet came into the discussion
I prefer augury over signet / anvil
even over all totem I think
regal summit
but if you are like me, and just do some weekly keys on your warrior, just run ...
yeah thats really what i do
crystal iris
Im pushing with treemouths and dreadplates
sometimes I swap to cheat like maybe in uld bc im a wimp
sometimes ill go in there and be fine and sometimes I just cant get the first pull together and everything goes to shit
merry sluice
First pull can vary so dramatically based on the skill of your random pugs
plush tendon
Ulda is a wild key
merry sluice
well same could be said about really nay key at any level, but especially in uldaman, since a group ontop of kicks and interrupts will drastically lower your dmg
if your group aintccing or interrupting you are basically fucked
have fun
plush tendon
literally have to pull big and pull trash onto the bosses to time
plush tendon
they should have just reduced the Ulda timer by 5 minutes or something and made it end after 4th boss
regal summit
would fyrakk trinket help to make big pulls easier?
jagged pier
no
thats what dreadplates is for
rageheart if good for big hits
but treemouth is better for that
so rageheart is kinda meh
regal summit
okay so the best passive dmg trinket for m+ wold be signet over ursine and all totem?
jagged pier
if u want to buy rageheart and use it u can
its not like a huge loss or anything
and its your game
🤷
best passive would be signet tho
and the stacks slowly fall off between combat so its okay
strong forum
luckily theres like 6+ good trinkets
so you can run whatever you want and make a good argument for it
vocal flame
Who was that guy who told me no way TWW will not release this early? You are wrong sir! Also the person that said there would not be m+ things that buff you in a dung! I was right! lol
strong forum
yeah you tell em!
vocal flame
haha i have been so busy with work and when i found out the release date i wanted to mention it. talk about being petty! there were a few people who called me out "no man that is WAY TOO EARLY NOOO"
ornate walrus
Hey guys need some help here, was just doing a +2 and for some reason i was having trouble keeping aggro?
ornate walrus
i was taunting and using the challenging shout lots but i wonder if im doing something wrong
493ilvl weapon
and 480ilvl
it was just a +2
lusty grotto
whats the ilvl of the people that are pulling agro and the ilvl of their weapons?
ornate walrus
but i was like 2nd from damage
lusty grotto
that doesnt mean anything, if they pull and die
ornate walrus
yea i guess lol
lusty grotto
but also your general play can factor in
more often than not, gear disparity, specially on slots that provide a huge damage difference will affect it
ornate walrus
ok
lusty grotto
weapon ilvl increases all damage for melee
and us
and more damage for us = more threat
there's not a lot we can go over without logs
ornate walrus
okay, i will upgrade weapon then from now on to get more damage
mild sapphire
How bad is it to sit in D stance? I know most time I should be in battle stance but I’m new to warrior tanking and feel much more comfortable not swapping back and forth. Also 20% damage reduction for 5% dmg / 3% crit seems like not a totally bad trade off. Especially in low pug keys where dps’s level of interrupts / cc is unpredictable.
fickle tundra
How bad is it to sit in D stance? I know most time I should be in battle stance ...
Dstance operates best an "always available" defensive.
pallid quiver
How bad is it to sit in D stance? I know most time I should be in battle stance ...
It ends up being a non-zero loss in threat gen at the start of a pull, but in all serious cases, permanently sitting won't disable you from anything, really. It's not optimal, and you won't learn what's actually hurting you, but woth the gaps in scaling between higher key levels, it won't be the difference between timing or not
If people aren't interrupting things that need to be or you get clipped in the back, you'll still die in higher keys, def stance or not
fickle tundra
I could use some advice on big pulls and snap aggro. As my key levels grow, specially on this fort week, I feel I either go out too hard on offensives and my hp yoyos or Im a bit too cautious and threat is a problem
mild sapphire
Cool. I’ll try to start finding times to drop out of d stance and slowly expand that. I just wanted to make sure there wasn’t something major I wasn’t understanding and would be missing out on.
fickle tundra
I could use some advice on big pulls and snap aggro. As my key levels grow, spec...
And I know that sometimes the blame is on dps being too eager, but I dont think thats all of the problem.
pallid quiver
Cool. I’ll try to start finding times to drop out of d stance and slowly expand ...
The easiest way to start would be by defaulting to battle during boss fights; those tend to be easier to learn when and where damage is coming from, so you can think more about your defensives
pallid quiver
I could use some advice on big pulls and snap aggro. As my key levels grow, spec...
All of your offensive cds have defensive benefits (rage) as well, so your hp shouldn't be yoyo'ing during them; should be even more stable, technically
fickle tundra
I'll get a log so I can show the situation in a bit
violet ginkgo
True on what Luerce said, we are kind of Stable tank compared to VDH or BDK their HP quite yoyo ing.
If your HP start suddenly drop real fast then there is defensive CD management problem.
pallid quiver
It'll be a sec before I can check it, but I'll look at it if you post
fickle tundra
It'll be a sec before I can check it, but I'll look at it if you post
first one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a3KCzVxgTmR4bGnj#fight=1&type=deaths&death=1
(but this one is most likely AV furies not being stopped)
crystal iris
True on what Luerce said, we are kind of Stable tank compared to VDH or BDK thei...
do BDK still have yoyoing HP? I've seen a few just always stay maxed
violet ginkgo
do BDK still have yoyoing HP? I've seen a few just always stay maxed
Compared to warrior? For sure still yoyoing.
south zealot
if you play bdk perfectly you dont yoyo very often
bc bloodshield is so strong
but making a single mistake can easily kill you
tribal wharf
pov yogi enters ulda. rlp, dos, mists.
merry sluice
i was too desperate to get into a key, should've left when the healer opened with "if you're som elitist who is going to quit if we die just leave now"
Then he proceeded to die like 8 times lmfaO
"the last tank left"
im beginning to see why
tribal wharf
the 8 deaths were merely a setback
hes got big plans if he dies 8 times and still standing wants to go again
im kind of curious WHY healer died 8 times
my assumption is, dps play rough, stand in shit,
round pendant
i was too desperate to get into a key, should've left when the healer opened wit...
You could always just say "hey please dispel Stormslam"
That's what I'd do if I had a pug healer
but yeah joining other keys usually results in a bad group
best to run my own I've realised
round pendant
unlucky
strong forum
i was too desperate to get into a key, should've left when the healer opened wit...
if the healer opens with that
uh oh
dusky canopy
That’s a leave before key starts angle
south zealot
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
only 2
on my vdh in a 12ish i had to tank 4 stacks lol
claimed he was doing afflicted
for 2 minutes straight? ok
zealous goblet
hey lads, question, for the most part, if i'm barely timing all my keys, is it because my pulls are suboptimal?
zealous goblet
lemme log on
tribal wharf
its either a healer confidence/skill issue, or a dps dumping healing load problem
zealous goblet
do you want a dungeon with confident pulls because there's not many deaths or one where i pull smaller
uhh fuck it let's use azure vault
on a 13 i finished this with like, 3 or 4 minutes left
but i see people hosting 14s asking for a group to 2 chest it
but as i climb keys, i notice my successes don't have much time variance. they always finish roughly in the same range of time left
lusty grotto
a lot of inefficient pulls in that route
but
theres a lot more variables than just routing
lust timings
people's deaths/ability
amongst other things
also
this pull alone
is SUPER inefficient
youre just there for 2 mobs
zealous goblet
is there a way past them?
lusty grotto
no
you pull the whole thing
and make it efficient
and subtrack from later in the key
zealous goblet
oh, as in you wake up the room?
lusty grotto
yes
why arent you pulling the entire room on first pull either
you have lust up
why would you use it for half the mobs?
see how inefficient that is?
the more you can kill in ONE pull = more efficient
moreso with lust
but this is looking too much into AV, where you're absolutely always gonna time it cause its so forgiving
zealous goblet
a little, but i also am not educated enough to who can do what skips, an example being i know you can skip the lower ring of the giant circle, but i don't know anything outside heroic leap and slowfall from mages.
like do all groups have means to skip it? all classes?
lusty grotto
wdym
zealous goblet
is that a common toy?
zealous goblet
well i genuinely didn't even know that
zealous goblet
ahh didn't know sp had levitate
zealous goblet
i didn't know priest had it at all
then i suppose a more constructive question is, am i forcing my teams to finish with 3-4 minutes left then with these pulls?
on pull 1 and pull 2 the only reason i break that up is because on the first pull there's always mystic vapors going off, and it ain't my fault because i literally use all of my kicks and stuff
Hell last night i finished with 50 secs left
lusty grotto
if you time
youre doing fine
look into these when you dont time
as a general rule of thumb
the more you can kill in 1 pull = the more efficient
lusty grotto
2 pulls for 2 packs vs 1 pull for 2 packs, which of these takes less time and plays better with cooldowns/lust?
round pendant
am I misremembering something else
round pendant
damn I was lied to
lusty grotto
no, it seems you misinterpreted it incorrectly
round pendant
I asked ingame last time I did a key if they fixed the "skips" and they go "ye just go normal"
round pendant
I asked cause I misinterpreted and got my misinterpretation confirmed by some random
round pendant
oh you asked in game
It's a classic fumble
lusty grotto
there are 2 important skips in 16+ AV
skip a ring skip cause bottom ring has fucking easy mobs
and Breaker skips
both breaker skips are important in fort weeks
and can be done with meld or tank deaths
lusty grotto
youre not doing 16+
but
people do double breaker skips in low keys
so im surprised you havent
you pull the last 2 breakers to the side, and either die, after your group has gone through and clicked the book
round pendant
I've ran AV once this season and in s1 or whenever we last got AV I only ever did ring skip
lusty grotto
or get close to book and meld/spam click before combat, easier for a vdh cause they can just jump into the 3rd boss ring and meld there
no
you did the frog skip
s1 was frog skip season
round pendant
What's frog skip???
lusty grotto
are you memeing?
round pendant
no but I have a dogshit memory
Oh frog skip is where you reverse after the second boss and go around the edge
straight onto the breakers right I remember now
lusty grotto
you couldnt do a ring skip cause you would need percent with frog skip
but anyway frog skip is not doable
in s4
it instantly kills you
round pendant
Yeah ok I've never done ring skip then, that explains my confusion
It's insane how 1 year passes and I forget literally everything that ever happened
round pendant
it instantly kills you
wack
round pendant
Is breaker skip literally just pulling it to the side and then dying? do you need rogue aoe stealth or anything for the others?
lusty grotto
where you skip the entire 1st ring
no?
they just dont get into combat
shroud doesnt work there
nor does mind soothe
round pendant
oh yeah the dudes have true sight or whatever
lusty grotto
also cheat death will betray you there if youre not NE
round pendant
only reason I asked was cause I saw someone do it and the rogue shrouded
round pendant
where you skip the entire 1st ring
Dang that's kinda good because I hate the first ring
those stone dudes fuckin hurt
lusty grotto
watch this one instead
sense doesnt do the ring skip
but he does the breaker skips
round pendant
Aite
I'm not even interested in doing anything higher than +10 so I don't even need skips
lusty grotto
the only one you need to worry about then
its the double breaker one
cause every group i dont tank it does it
and when i tank vault keys i do it
round pendant
I guess those fuckers do take a bunch of time to kill and it's an ez skip
lusty grotto
everything else, is entirely optional for sub-10/vault keys and probably detrimental for people not used to those
but most people know how to handle the double breaker
strong forum
Hold W
lusty grotto
yea pretty much
round pendant
I only ever wanted to do +20s in previous seasons but I only did like 2 (the easy ones) each time because my friend refuses to do anything "challenging" and I don't like playing with all randoms :^(
strong forum
And if your group isn't entirely fallen on the head, you easy +2
lusty grotto
☝️
strong forum
Big if
round pendant
yep it's a pretty big if
lusty grotto
i pug a lot more than you do
and i dont complain about people as much
its weird
i do complain ocassionally, ask @merry sluice
most people arent bad
bad players just seem more impactful
round pendant
I've done hardly any dungeons so far since I've been doing hc raids when my friend is online
but there's always one guy inting
round pendant
I don't usually complain about near-misses
and tbf I hardly complain about m+ keys in here
Usually just malding about pug raids
Not that I should be venting in here anyway
round pendant
why does it matter
Were you always so positive, I swear I remember otherwise :^)
lusty grotto
i wouldnt say im positive
its just, i dont really mind if its not costing us the kill or the time
a death on a non-farm raid is only bad if a brez is used on that player for no reason instead of held for an important role
and/or if they do 1 shot on groups like putting fyrakk puddles near roots in p1 or some bs
round pendant
It's not like I'm hung up on every little mistake people make
Raiding is depressing for me because of the amount of times we have a generally decent group and one more attempt would get the kill and half the raid just leaves
and it's back to square 1
lusty grotto
well you cant change that
round pendant
Like that DIDN'T happen on wednesday and we killed raz even though everyone planked on the double add phase the attempt before
lusty grotto
so no sense worrying about it
round pendant
I was so happy
Everyone listened, we did the mechanics right the next time and slapped it
TBH I think the biggest difference is doing it on wednesday vs weekend or tuesday lmao
round pendant
so no sense worrying about it
I've lost a LOT of time to this trying to get curve via pugging each season
And since I tank I don't have the liberty to just leave and join other groups
I think I had 30-50 wipes on hc final bosses each season. It doesn't sound like a lot but when you add that every other wipe causes half the raid to leave, it adds up to many hours
M+ the main thing that bothers me is how RNG dps players are
ilvl and rio is meaningless, half of them don't raid and don't log m+ so I can't see how good they are
I need friends 
round pendant
I'd have to switch to dps I guess
lusty grotto
not quite
im not saying you should join a guild
im saying look for guild runs that have communities
i have one for my pally
weekend raids
this is from them
im not part of the guild, but im in their disc server
round pendant
no Mythic Magmorax kill?
lusty grotto
nah we skipped, we'll kill next week
round pendant
Anyway yeah I mean I guess I should keep an eye out for things like that
You're US right?
lusty grotto
yea
round pendant
I'm ngl I feel like y'all are a bit spoiled when it comes to these things
EU very antisocial
in my experience
Only time I ever had a real good time raiding with a guild was when me and my group of friends at the time made our own guild
lusty grotto
i just noticed that it doesnt have a lot of kills
like larodar and nymue have been killed with them last season AND this one so i guess i didnt force an update on r.io or some shit
round pendant
My bar isn't even that high, I just wanna do Heroic and +10s lmao
lusty grotto
yeah these guys do heroic
its just nobody really needs heroic raids or have for a while
on reg season we still do them for alts etc
but since its awakened and half the important items are bullion bought...
round pendant
Yeah s4 is a bit different ig
I'm stuck pugging for the rest of this expansion
maybe in tww I can try to find a guild
Been considering just switching to dps for tww too lmao
lusty grotto
just have a lookout for community/guild hybrid runs and go from there
round pendant
Last guild run I joined was going smoothly (other than wiping on the first boss of Aberrus??)
then we wiped on Rashok (not my fault I want to add) and me and my friend got insta booted
lusty grotto
heavy memeing probably
round pendant
Probably
But it kinda put me off of joining guild runs because of that
well, not the wipes
god even if they thought it was my fault they could have just asked me to go dps and I'd have been less bothered by it
merry sluice
Finding a guild to tank with for raids is honestly just kinda a miserable experience
Im not brain make smart word bc I got my infusion earlier and in all kinds of out of it, but its honestly a bit of a process x.x
Will be far better than trying to pug raid as a tank
round pendant
Since TWW will have account-wide achieves, I'll prob play a dps char and a tank char
dps for raids, tank for m+
That way I can just brain off for raids
pallid quiver
first one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a3KCzVxgTmR4bGnj#fight=1&type=dea...
You need to press more buttons to address your original issue of " I feel I either go out too hard on offensives and my hp yoyos or Im a bit too cautious and threat is a problem "
In the specific death you mentioned where you died, you wasted 100 of the 300 rage you had generated during that pull, and that's with you ignoring buttons you could have used to affect anything going on in the pull, so that's not even a "too much going on" kind of deal. You could have changed the order you pressed your opening CDs of Demo > T Roar > Rav > SC to use the shield charge to stun a fury, instead of letting yourself take the shard cast to the face or praying a DPS would handle it while you have a rotational option that would have just solved it, but you hard brained down on "I need to get my CDs out".
You can make a lot of the aggro concerns simpler, by the way, by starting with Ravager when you're just about done gathering/decided where you're going to stand. It does a lot of damage, so threat's covered, gives you rage so you can survive, and gives an indicator to DPS that things in axe = okay to blast. For packs like full pulling first room in AV, you can even drop it as the whelp wakes everything up so you can already have it going and not have to spend a global getting it set to instantly get aggro. This gives you time to not waste 1/3 of all rage you generate during your CDs, allowing you to both heal and get more IP rolling; while you were in a pretty bad spot getting hit by 3 shards (which, as mentioned, you can avoid by just managing your hard stops on those; you have disrupting and pummel to help with the flowers you had, and you never used pummel, instead blowing your stops on flowers so you can get shredded by rock bro), it may have been able to be saved if you spent your rage better, since you only died by like 43k damage.
As a whole, a lot of your issues stem from not pressing your buttons and having a bad prio; you're wasting a lot of rage (32 entire rage bars throughout the entire dungeon amounts) and you're not generating as much, since you're losing out on SS casts by prio'ing TC so hard. That means Avatar is up like 60% of the time it should be, so you do less damage, so you're not getting threat, and everything compounds on itself.
(Finally had time to get back to him, if I interrupted a convo, sorry)
pallid quiver
i had to make a point, and break down an entire pull as to why it went wrong
round pendant
I feel like prot war just plays itself
pallid quiver
That way I can just brain off for raids
that's funny since DPS roles require more brain than tank in raid
round pendant
Disagree
pallid quiver
They get actual mechanics to deal with
lusty grotto
luerce is right
pallid quiver
Can't ask a tank to do more than taunt swap or else 80% of the raid tank playerbase in guilds would fail out
round pendant
I mean I know technically it's true
pallid quiver
Hell, Volc taunt swap is already a gatekeeper
round pendant
But when I've dps'd you get affected by a mechanic like ONCE in the fight
lusty grotto
but playing dps is certainly a refreshing change, and can help your tanking a lot
round pendant
I've done all the raids this expac as dps too and like
I've had times where I've gone 4 bosses without being targetted by a real mechanic
hardy snow
Hell, Volc taunt swap is already a gatekeeper
whats hard about it?
hardy snow
well, then Rashok must be even harder, you have to see on what skill you taunt and even use defensive for it 😮
pallid quiver
I've been clapped by so many worms as a result of people not taunting
I just expect to die on Volc every time
hardy snow
I've been clapped by so many worms as a result of people not taunting
thats not because of tauntswap itself, but because of stacks, people are too used to "one mechanic for tank only", so they just focus on stacks and taunts based on that
pallid quiver
well, then Rashok must be even harder, you have to see on what skill you taunt a...
I think the WAs and boss mods were more up to speed on updating their taunt shouts for those; I see more people auto shouting from addons on it and less messups, though it happens a lot
lusty grotto
it is what it is
pallid quiver
thats not because of tauntswap itself, but because of stacks, people are too use...
I'm 100% positive most average raid tanks don't even know where to find stacks
round pendant
wdym can't you taunt jaws during the cast?
pallid quiver
Yeah, that's what I mean
I mean they just don't taunt
until after jaws is cast
Because that's how tank swaps work, their golden duty
round pendant
I've never had that issue but I guess DBM solves it for everyone
hardy snow
cause they are bad tanks
round pendant
People refuse to taunt swap on literally EVERYTHING ELSE though
fickle tundra
You need to press more buttons to address your original issue of " I feel I eith...
That's very thorough, ty.
round pendant
The amount of griefing I suffer
pallid quiver
It was fucking rampant when S3 started; I still get it every now and then, especially when I get into guild groups
round pendant
I taunt to save their ass and then they just NEVER taunt it back
Had some tank refuse to taunt Nymue because he wanted to not get bombed
pallid quiver
I taunt to save their ass and then they just NEVER taunt it back
If you ever taunt at a time some career raid tanks don't expect, they intentionally never taunt back because you hurt their ego, and you deserve to die for ruining their spotlight
round pendant
griefing me for his own padding and he was shit dps anyway so I don't get it
pallid quiver
I stand by my statement that career, raid-log tank players are generally among the worst players I ever have the misfortune to deal with
hardy snow
pugging seems to be interesting in its own way 
round pendant
If you ever taunt at a time some career raid tanks don't expect, they intentiona...
Yeah I don't doubt it
fickle tundra
To get more "reps" on this type of pulls and rotation, would it be recommended to do these dungeons on lower key levels? The dmg would ofc be less lethal (1 less key level and I just would have died)
round pendant
I feel like I get spite griefed a lot
especially after I've yoinked aggro from simply doing my rotation
pallid quiver
To get more "reps" on this type of pulls and rotation, would it be recommended t...
You should first get used to just doing your rotation before adding the extra complexity in; you're not hammering on your buttons nearly fast enough during CDs (most IP) on just your base muscle memory. It can help to spend like 5-10 minutes a day just swinging at dummies specifically practicing your CD rotation so you can get used to the burst of rage
pallid quiver
especially after I've yoinked aggro from simply doing my rotation
most tanks won't even recognize they've lost aggro if you do that, then among those that do, it's a 50/50 if they think you taunted or not
even if they're doing 20k ST DPS in S4 and you're nearing 200k
round pendant
It's so odd though because even if I stole aggro
they don't even taunt after the taunt swap mechanic happens
it's like they just decided it's time for me to die this pull
Usually it just happens at the start of the fight, if they're doing such low damage that I'm constantly stealing aggro they just get kicked
So when it happens at the start, it's no different to me going first
so why won't they taunt?!??!
hardy snow
it's like they just decided it's time for me to die this pull
lots of people think you just taunted, they dont know it was just aggro issue
round pendant
That guy who was purposely not taunting so I would have to do things that hurt my dps while he gets to keep doing damage is just living rent free in my head for two weeks now though
round pendant
lots of people think you just taunted, they dont know it was just aggro issue
First thing I do when I lose aggro unexpectedly is look at the meters 🤷♂️
||not that it ever really happens to me||
Anyway I'm yapping way too fucking much see y'all later
zealous goblet
i might unbind heroic throw because it might be trash for pug dps
i use it while getting my pull together and they go unga bunga mode and die to a melee
god's testing me
median tulip
The only time I lose aggro is when idiot DPS start to DPS too early while I'm gathering in Academy
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merry sluice
i might unbind heroic throw because it might be trash for pug dps
if DPS go full unga bunga zugzug while ur groupping, let alone even get the mobs together and they pull aggro
That is their fautl for being stupid
their used to be a time, in yee olden ages
when DPS actually were aware of, and and acknoledged that threat is something they need to manage to
Its especially common with bursty fuckers like DHs, Retpaladins, and Windwalkers as your ususal suspects
But even ranged DPS can be a little obnoxious if they decide to 'pull for you'
lusty grotto
theres zero reason to do something as removing a skill to compromise
nobody will thank you for it
nobody will acknowledge it
and you will be gimping yourself
tribal wharf
christ, i remember a time when it was "everyone stand behind this door while i go pull and DONT come in
lusty grotto
just a dumb move to do so
merry sluice
if i ping, or call for LoS now
I just watch some ranged fucker stand there drooling on their keyboard for like 30 seconds
last pull algethar, or any of the janky big pulls uldaman, even if i type in advance
IDK man, idk why I cant get them to comrpehend that one lol
lusty grotto
🤷 if they die they die
merry sluice
more like if they die, the evoker will go "??? stupid tank, why pull that"
lmfao
merry sluice
Oh, don't evne get me started lol.
Twice now, two different keys
tyring to skip the trash before gutshot, had some hunter mindlessly barrel through and their pet pull everything in the universe
and both times they went on a fucking tangent about how "hunter pets never pull it had to of been someone else"
And not the dopey ass fucking alligator thing STOMP STOMP STOMP through the middle of 5 gnolls lmfao
lusty grotto
yeah so
hunters have been kind of bugged
where if you right click something your pets instantly go attack it
or some bs like that
so sometimes they dont do it on purpose
merry sluice
Idec if it was on purpose or not, accident or not but the “PETS NEVER PULL” and two different hunters trying to argue that and immediately shift it onto another DPS makes me
merry sluice
merry sluice
NOONE EVEN SAID ANYTHING is the best part
But rather than continue with the key he has to type out his college dissertation
And then hit us with a banger
“Let’s continue now and stop playing like idiots”
lusty grotto
i had a mage in nelth a few weeks ago where we wiped and decided to quit key on forgemaster cause the side was pulled
DH goes who pulled it?
mage instantly goes you, and i do as well since he was the closest
neither of us were right
dh whispers me apologizing after
i go check logs
MOUSEOVER HOLY SHOCK
i tell him, dude it wasnt you, i had to check cause it felt weird
this mage btw died on every single fight
was instantly blaming the DH, and i get why but
the mage was dead
4 defensive class btw
merry sluice
It’s really that point of the season now lmfao
I mean even if pulling shit pisses me off. I don’t get the point of putting the whole key on delay complaining about it
Bc that’s a bigger time loss there’s time to flame once the key is done ;>
lusty grotto
the point is that
the mage felt like saying IT WAS YOU kind of like you ruined our key
when in fact
the reason that key was over by forgemaster
is cause the mage had been dead so much
merry sluice
It’s just wild to me in the span of like not even a week I’ve had two hunters in the same dungeon pull the same thing
Then knee jerk blame someone else, then proceed to gaslight lmfao
lusty grotto
yeah its just better to ignore it
only if they argue about it, do i check
and present proof if needed
merry sluice
Im not even fast enough to try and pull evidence up mid run.
I hate typing in keys unless it’s communicate something important like a skip, odd pull or LINE OF SIGHT AAAA or whatever bc I’ve fucked up hands and it is not quick for me to type mid key
lusty grotto
i dont really type
either
and obviously the evidence thing will come after the key is done
not during
merry sluice
Im sure you’ve noticed my abundance of typos already outside of keys
shy cedar
hey, I've read that shield block should always be active. But I usually have it on downtime some seconds, am I doing something wrong?
shy cedar
Is that it? Ty vm! I just started playing this season my gear sucks
lusty grotto
right so make the adjustment
with your haste rating
ideally with your haste rating without howling rune
rigid hull
weird to ask this here but is it possible to play marksman hunter without pet 💀
anyone knows by any chance
thinking about starting a dps spec
lusty grotto
weird to ask this here but is it possible to play marksman hunter without pet 💀
thats how its played
"lone wolf"
lusty grotto
pets are pretty chill, you dont really do much with them
no need to micro manage but yeah
MM only summons pets to lust
and then they dismiss them
jagged gust
Nothing wrong with a little off topic so long as it doesn't distract from any current discussions
skyhold is also my #1 source for info on playing SP and DH
rigid hull
💀
violet ginkgo
woudnt do it if it had a pet
The thing is they nerf the lone wolf bonus damage from 10% to 5% later in TWW, apparently blizz somewhat confused if MM should be with pet or petless.
But anyway MM doesn't really rely on pet, the pet is just there for lusting that's it, or if you in open world doing solo so the pet can tank the hit for you, not like BM who use pet in everything.
crystal iris
ya nelth is cursed
literally ran it so many times cant get it timed
tried different routes, tried arms, prot
all my keys are on 14s with a few 15s except nelth fort is 12 lol
Pugs can’t do no hunters. They die and can’t run back. Or can’t handle stuns onto eh thurmaturge pulls
But if I do the regular 1 hunter at a time they die to other shit like bosses or flares
round pendant
skyhold is also my #1 source for info on playing SP and DH
Yeah because for some reason the players here are generally less brainrotted than other discords
median tulip
Pugs can’t do no hunters. They die and can’t run back. Or can’t handle stuns ont...
In pugs I just double pull hunters and if the DPS don't know how to survive that's a them problem.
merry sluice
My favourite is skipping the hunters linked to birdie boy. Then jumping down, warning pugs about the bird, and watching the mage/priest just feather fall 50 miles right into the hunters on the way to last boss
fickle tundra
Not many players check mdt routes when linked apparently
Last night some 3.2k player asked me if we were looking at routes "on some addon or something"
fickle tundra
Yeah because for some reason the players here are generally less brainrotted tha...
Its a prot channel thing, at least compared to #fury
Not that its bad either tho, but my personal experience is that there's a bunch of very sensible people here on #protection
fickle tundra
You should first get used to just doing your rotation before adding the extra co...
Speaking of. Could you or anyone else drop me a screenshot for 5min breakdown on tank dummy? To check my practice results vs an ideal breakdown
merry sluice
I might be somewhat talking out my ass, but tank players for one class are probably just more likely to have experience on other tanks for a handful of reasons
Especially including there's only 5 other tanks to touch compared to the plethora of DPS, so the chances of finding a player that's familiar with another tank you also know is way higher than finding a random fury warrior also familiar with a destrolock.
Not to mention IMO, a lot of tank specs will share core idea and approaches of handling encounters or dungeons in ways that are fundamentally similar enough, where as DPS will zugzug and hit thing outside of dps specific mechanics (and half the time those might not even be a factor based on the type of dps they are, as in melee vs ranged)
Can expect a BDK with some base knowledge on warrior to know how to tank a boss on prot warrior, as opposed to expecting a fury warrior to suddenly DPS on a demolock
round pendant
Yeah but even tank channels in other discords are wack compared to this one
fickle tundra
Hell, going from Fury doing 14-15s sorta comfortably to Prot has and is a "journey"
fickle tundra
Hell, going from Fury doing 14-15s sorta comfortably to Prot has and is a "journ...
And this is change in m+ pov also allows for a lot of personal reflection on some stupid shit I used to do as DPS
sterile sorrel
Hey there! What is the soft stat cap I should be trying to meet?
slate marten
Yeah but even tank channels in other discords are wack compared to this one
yee, this discord really improved my skill a bunch, no stupid questions here
hollow sun
Is prot getting anything interesting in tww?
violet ginkgo
Is prot getting anything interesting in tww?
I think you can go to #1230008411333066913 for more precise answer.
violet ginkgo
Yeah but even tank channels in other discords are wack compared to this one
now I am curious about what happen in other tank channel in general?
jagged pier
well they are active cause ppl play the spec
blazing condor
this channel is pretty clean because we're a dead spec
the only people who are "passionate" enough to spend time here are usually people who are very involved in the spec
and not just playing it for FOTM
and since there's not a lot of activity in the channel in general cus low pop spec then there's not a huge influx of people spamming or whatever
round pendant
Just the straight up fact that I've gotten better advice here for different classes and roles than in their dedicated servers lmao
lusty grotto
Hey there! What is the soft stat cap I should be trying to meet?
none
we dont worry about soft caps
sterile sorrel
Oh ok. Wasn't sure if there were specific percentage of stats I should be trying to meet to make my tanking better.
lusty grotto
no
sterile sorrel
Cool. thanks
lusty grotto
this is all you need to know
all of it is pinned and in the wowhead / icyveins guides
having more than 5400 haste rating does not make your tanking better or worse, it just affects a talent pick to keep shield block up
that's about it
sterile sorrel
Gotcha