protection

[stiff wagon]

Yeah why?

[unkempt hazel]

cuz weekly

[jagged pier]

because of the players that are in them

[unkempt hazel]

everyone wants that myth track

so its like the biggest uhh

[stiff wagon]

you mean for vault?

[unkempt hazel]

bottleneck

yeah

[violet ginkgo]

Yeah. 8 is quite efficient.
You get hero track gear
Myth track vaul for next week
Aspect crest
Not dealing with 3rd affix

[stiff wagon]

@violet ginkgo Yup. Agreed.

[unkempt hazel]

so a lot of ppl that aren't prepared for 8 still wanna get into one

cuz sweet loots

7's? pleb shit

as well as ppl that still dont quite realize that 8's are the old 18's

[violet ginkgo]

Lalio is correct. If I saw someone bringing their undergeared friend I insta leave. I mean I queue as tank anyway ez to get party.

[unkempt hazel]

yeah every time I dont take a glance at party's hp there's always someone with like 600k

[heady hedge]

It just depends on the IO of the people, If I see a group with several 2600 and 1 thats like 1400 but 3k last season. Its prob gonna be ok.

[humble schooner]

9s are better as they provided 2/6 Hero track, saving 1 hour of time, as you need two runs to get enough Crests to upgrade (which are approx 30 min each)

[merry sluice]

Yeah im like

Unironically tying or out dpsing at least one if the DPS in a third of 8-10s, it’s fucking diabolical

I watched two ranged dps die to the aoe circle around granyth

Vault slots are something else

[strong forum]

mmmmh yes

that macro is actually a performance gain

[oblique garnet]

if you dont mash buttons sure

wanna bet how many people do mash buttons and end up wasting all the rage on ip instead of using it on something useful

[lusty grotto]

wow late

welcome to DF

[oblique garnet]

DF

[lusty grotto]

we've had to clarify a lot that its for IP

thats it

its an IP macro, not an SS macro

"make sure SS is bound separately and press it"

[oblique garnet]

yes i know what the use is for

[lusty grotto]

thats what we tell people

[oblique garnet]

i used it in SL

[lusty grotto]

what other useful thing are they gonna use

[oblique garnet]

7 8)

[lusty grotto]

you know we go over rage management details usually

[oblique garnet]

I actually have no clue

I have not paid that much attention

[lusty grotto]

well you can trust me that at least i have gone over it

(:

[oblique garnet]

Good job im proud of you 🙂

[lusty grotto]

thanks dad

[oblique garnet]

im still fairly certain you got like 10 years on me

[lusty grotto]

still dad

(:

[oblique garnet]

Sadly not dad 😦

[lusty grotto]

😱

[oblique garnet]

Even though im getting old

I just sneezed and im pretty sure i pulled some muscles in my back

[strong forum]

No but like

There's no downside to the macro?

It replaces your IP keybind

So when you want to press IP all it does is send SS in the same breath

Making you instead waste less rage

[oblique garnet]

yes thats the intended use i know

[strong forum]

If they just mash buttons this also just makes them play better when they accidentally press IP, without having the rage, and then maybe sending the SS instead

[oblique garnet]

am worried about how many people use that to replace ss

instead of ip

yes i know you have big ! on it that what its for

[strong forum]

Can't Account for pebkac

[oblique garnet]

Tryu

[lusty grotto]

quite a bit actually but they ask here

and we clarify

well its not that many tbh

[toxic pewter]

LOL just googled 'pebkac'

[lusty grotto]

whenever they ask about the macro we elaborate

lol apb

[toxic pewter]

never heard that acronym

[lusty grotto]

the other day i had to google "ROBAC"

cause the guy that was harassing me in game kept spamming it lol

[toxic pewter]

dont even know that one either

[lusty grotto]

run over by a car

[toxic pewter]

omg

wild

[lusty grotto]

yea

[toxic pewter]

You guys notice maintenance on this upcoming Monday?

never seen weekly maintenance on Monday instead of Tuesday

[lusty grotto]

weird but it is what it is

[steep condor]

should i buy a manic grieftorch to go with my rageheart? I thought augary as the play but the top tanks seem to be using grieftorch.

[strong forum]

For raid grieftorch is infinitely the best option

[steep condor]

oh im onlyu doing m+

actually i might get the enduring plate trinket

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates

[steep condor]

ooh good timing 🙂

yah i'll buy that.

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates all totem anvil

[steep condor]

all?

i think i ill use rageheart plus dreadplates - i rather be alive than do a bit more dps. I only do +8 at the moment but a i get better i ill go higher.

[lusty grotto]

all-totem yes

rageheart is garbage

farm a treemouth

[steep condor]

i've bought rageheart now so im gonna use it 🙂

[lusty grotto]

your loss

[steep condor]

i wish i hadn't after reading that though

well i dont really ahve a choice - i mean i can use splinter once ive farmed it ofc but until then rageheart.

[lusty grotto]

if youre doing 8-9s you really do not need any of those anyway

[steep condor]

what makes it garbage? i thought it was great because i didnt know any better

[lusty grotto]

full absorb, goes down in nothing

[steep condor]

yah, i do plan to go higher though once im better at it.

[steep condor]

ahh ok

[lusty grotto]

partial absorbs last their full duration

[steep condor]

damn. i prob should have researched better

[lusty grotto]

damage checks versus absorb types first

so rageheart eats the entire amount of unmitigated damage

[steep condor]

this makes sense

[lusty grotto]

while treemouth eats 50% of the damage, leaving the rest to be mitigated by your self mit

[steep condor]

grr .. well by the time i get higher lvl keys maybe i will get a treemouth to go with enduring dreadplates.

[hardy snow]

rageheart works after mitigation, even after IP

[lusty grotto]

IP is always first

rageheart is the same as PW:Shield

it goes right after IP, but before the rest

cocoon, faceless ire also

[steep condor]

grrrr im sure at one point all the top tanks were using it right? Surely what's why i bought it? can't imagine id have bought it without thinking. But no one seems to be using it now. is this new info?

[lusty grotto]

no

[steep condor]

ah so basically i just did a dumb thing 😦

[lusty grotto]

top tanks bought it cause it was strong in s3, and treemouth only existed in s2

[steep condor]

ok so long story short - i need to replace it iwth treemouth and buy dreadplates for now.

[lusty grotto]

plus its buyable and they didnt have to farm it

you dont need to replace it with treemouth

not for vault keys

for pushing, yes

pushing high

[steep condor]

ok 🙂 thx very much for taking the time to explain that

[vocal cave]

do you get more dmg overall with bloodsurge or just 2/2 bloodborne?

on key

[jagged pier]

technically yes but u ahve to drop spell block too to take 2 in bloodborune

[idle quartz]

Hey guys! What would you guys say is the fastest completing dungeon this season? I would have said RLP but I feel like that second section can be sketchy with pugs

Trying to do a big crest farm then move on to alts

[waxen frigate]

RLP or AV

[idle quartz]

Azure Vaults always feels like a huge slog to me…. Something must be wrong with me lol.

Thanks for the help

[waxen frigate]

It feels like a slog but it’s usually a 20-25min key in my experience

Very very easy to 2 or 3 chest

There’s a lot of long hallways so it feels long

[lusty grotto]

i always try to spam RLP on alts

but of course i include others in my search like AA and AV

usually my go tos are RLP > AA > AV

the rest are slightly longer or way longer

[grim pilot]

@south zealot

@lusty grotto

someone

do u guys have the vdh ruby gif

I'm watching friend do 15 and the tank died 3 times in a row same shit like in the gif

xD

[lusty grotto]

the first RLP of this season?

[grim pilot]

yeah

he legit died from first bolt

3 times

3 pulls in a row

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[south zealot]

ive done it too lmao

[oblique garnet]

[dusky canopy]

Demon Hunters

[merry sluice]

xD

okay

thats fucking awesome

[pallid quiver]

this continues to be one of my favorite gifs

[merry sluice]

its fucking beautiful

immediately saving that

[toxic pewter]

thats me

[south zealot]

if u get meleed and then casted on as dh youre just gonna dje

die

unless you have fury for fel dev immediately

well u can use your ither cds but its better to have those for chillstorma

[lusty grotto]

just pop SoF + Immo and you survive that first hit with spikes

idk

high keys just send the brand

[south zealot]

i did that on 16 thinking it was ok and got fucked

on the brightside its a funny as fuck way to die

[lusty grotto]

the gif there he has immo/spikes but no SoF

yeah well

that gif is from

week 1

so he 100% was gonna get got

shouldve pulled with brand

coincidentally, thats every bear player that goes in without ironbark on or rage up

insta deleted

[merry sluice]

I shared this in my guild, and one of my guildies were there when that happened with an actual clip (from which this pov) was taken, and its so much better

[south zealot]

link

[merry sluice]

Maybe not server friendly language so I’ll DM once I get back to my pc

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[south zealot]

bet

[lusty grotto]

how many wtf's per second did they do

[merry sluice]

Nothing offensive just funny

[lusty grotto]

[violet ginkgo]

Well that is one of the reason why I love prot war, we won’t get “surprise damage”

I mean if we manage to get it then totally our fault.

[zealous goblet]

i need to know

what the FUCK do my pugs die to in rlp versus the lightning drag

people either do it smoothly or legit just pop like a pimple

are they not dodging breath?

is it my bad?

[cyan bronze]

@zealous goblet healer

it’s the dispel timing

[south zealot]

dont pull that dragon

its doable just a lot, LOT harder than the fire

[zealous goblet]

i thought the strat was to do thunder and skip fire?

have i been fed misinformation?

[violet ginkgo]

How to not pull it? The soothe or invis?

[south zealot]

neither

just let it fly away

[lusty grotto]

skipping both can be more difficult than sending it

its not a fort week

and they are sub 15s

they should pull lightning

either way the pulse happens at under 50% hp

of the dragon

[lusty grotto]

have you checked logs

or details?

[merry sluice]

Yeah I think it’s just worth sending lightning dragon, especially on tyran.

But I thought it was flamegullet that did Molten Blood at 50% hp, and it ramps dmg each cast

Thunder head’s DOT just ticks until expiration/dispel (in which it aoes) or does he also have a 50% ability?

[lusty grotto]

why would you ask something like that and not use the tools available to you

i have no idea tbh Cherry

[zealous goblet]

i ask because idk what the mechanics are outside of tank mechanics

i want to know why they suddenly die

[lusty grotto]

like there's literally no reason why people should be dying to the dot on a non-fort week on sub 15s

so... check logs?

or details?

and you can see what they are dying to?

we cant answer blindly like ok did

[zealous goblet]

i mean, i have details from this time, i asked in a general sense including past groups which i don't have logs or details for

[lusty grotto]

ok stop

[merry sluice]

Yh no I agree. I’ve seen thunder head lived even in fort. granted I was on my prot so sac+auras, but still.

[lusty grotto]

im not asking you to backpedal

im asking to see if you checked those resources first

[zealous goblet]

not the vibe i'm getting

[merry sluice]

I just realized using prot to refer to paladin in the warrior discord is stupid lmfao pls gloss over that

[lusty grotto]

and check if any of these matches the bill

/mdt

right click Thunderhead

there you go

[zealous goblet]

neat

[lusty grotto]

if i had to guess it def wouldn't be the dot

like that ok guy said

BUT I HAVE NO LOGS

or details to tell me otherwise

so im gonna go ahead and say

fall damage

[merry sluice]

DoT both trucks + it explodes in a like 100yd radius when cleared, or expired. So if healer clears both back-to-back, or mass dispels one… it can be spicy… (this is another reason why a log would be nice)

So it’s really on both the afflicted DPS to use personals, and the healer to use a brain cell

But it’s definitely a livable pack at that key level. I’ve pulled it way higher in fortified.

[lusty grotto]

this is why logs are important

cause we can ass u me a lot of things

😎

at least details would suffice for that particular question too

[humble schooner]

I've watched this a bunch of times and just noticed the crabs with knives

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

if didnt say anything i wouldnt have noticed

[pallid quiver]

I just assume the group is going to die 50 times, but they're going to pull both dragons anyway

[lusty grotto]

well, most pugs understand youre skipping fire

[pallid quiver]

People insist on standing where either dragon is going to land, and they hate not pressing movement buttons for more than 2 seconds

i've never skipped fire successfully

Literally ever; someone always just runs at it in every key I've done

[lusty grotto]

skipping lightning in the trench in between those players and high keys, is where it gets rough

weird

ive spammed RLP a lot and hadnt had any issues

[merry sluice]

I had far more success with flamegullet skips in the beginning of the season

Now it always goes south lmfao

[lusty grotto]

hmm

strange

either way if you've had problems skipping flamegullet lol

[pallid quiver]

I've never done a lot of keys, anyhow, so it's easier for me to have very fringe cases of experiences

[merry sluice]

I owuldnt say i have issue skipping flamegullet

Rather, I have issues finding pugs that can do it

[lusty grotto]

i believe you 2

[pallid quiver]

Though I'll even ping people with the warning before flight, during flight, and as they're landing, and they'll stand there.

Or just run into the stationary dragon in front of us

[lusty grotto]

xD

[merry sluice]

yeah
yeah.

pretty much

[pallid quiver]

Like, on the keys I generally hit, so weekly keys, I ain't gonna die as long as they don't pul three more packs on top, so

preferably i just pull the dragon and they choose a caster pack to pull

[merry sluice]

nothig will top wtf ever happened in my last pugged ulda though lmfao

[pallid quiver]

So we only have the two together

[lusty grotto]

what happened?

[merry sluice]

last pugged ulda was the destro lock trying to pull half the damn dungeon xD

haven't had someone try t repeat tha tone yet

[lusty grotto]

ohhh

[zealous goblet]

lads, bromach's necklace or kagni's scorching talisman?
talisman is 1.5k crit, and 500 haste, bromach's is like 1.4k haste and 600 mastery

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[zealous goblet]

damn you had that ready

haste is really that high in the prior, huh

[pallid quiver]

necks are for cowards

[lusty grotto]

youll need the haste with bullion rings

[pallid quiver]

Biggest reason is that we have a lot of slots dedicated to things that don't give haste

notable bullion rings

[lusty grotto]

and youll need if for SB gaps with ITF

yup

[zealous goblet]

yeah i've noticed i have some shield block gaps

that are outta my control

wtf is itf short for

[lusty grotto]

into the fray

[zealous goblet]

ah

[lusty grotto]

even at 6k rating

you will have some small gaps with ITF

due to how the buff works

[pallid quiver]

ITF gives a looooot of damage, but makes you need to have some raw haste to maintain SB and makes SB management harder

HR guarantees your SB uptime, but costs you a non-zero amount of damage

[zealous goblet]

yeah i was aware of the 5400 recommendation

[lusty grotto]

this season we're kinda hurting for haste

cause the chosen tier transmog also brought its stats

and its low haste

last season's tier had high haste as stats so we could reach caps

and of course bullion rings

so neck, cloak, bracers, belt, boots should always have the most amount of haste possible, not sacrificing ilvl for though

also off-tier legs

[merry sluice]

yeah my haste is in fucking shambles lmfao

[lusty grotto]

and ideally you also want a haste myth shield, but... yeah

big ilvl shield > everything else

regardless of if it has haste or not

[zealous goblet]

i just bought bullion shield this week that has crit and haste

its nice to not have a 522 toy

got a 528 now

[merry sluice]

gnarlroot my beloved

[zealous goblet]

NOW THE TIMS ON THE OTHERHAND

GOT ME 515S ON ME FEET

ilvl 525 with poor people shoes

[merry sluice]

imagine having shoes
Draenei gaming

[zealous goblet]

draenei males are only tolerated because their females are hot

[merry sluice]

i mean

[zealous goblet]

in an ideal society draeneis, gnomes, and night elves are eliminated

[merry sluice]

nah male draenei have their placew

that gun animation

is perfect

[zealous goblet]

remember kids

racism is not ok, until it is in fantasy

bloodhoof saying something along the lines of "deceitful, like all the other centaurs" sent me laughing

[merry sluice]

won't catch me not playing a 🐐

[zealous goblet]

alliance shamans in tbc be like

[merry sluice]

wont catch me playing a shaman either

[lusty grotto]

craft primal molten

problem solved

you have 5 crafts this week

[zealous goblet]

i'd need to save 60 crests and my adhd tells me to keep upgrading my trinkets

[lusty grotto]

i see

gotta spam more keys then

[zealous goblet]

i need my 8 vers and 200 damage over time on my fyrakks man

[lusty grotto]

[zealous goblet]

plus whatever the absorb upgrades into, cant tell, the 900 page college essay is cut off in the upgrade screen

[lusty grotto]

imagine upgrading a subpar trinket

[zealous goblet]

need to bloat the ilvl

make me look extra sexy in key applications

[lusty grotto]

right 515 to 525

vs 3 ilvls

hmm

[zealous goblet]

i mean

[lusty grotto]

that's rough i wonder which gives more total ilvls

[zealous goblet]

it'd actually be like, 60, plus the other 60 to upgrade it into 525

[lusty grotto]

huh

[zealous goblet]

i'm not dying on this hill mind you

i'm saying if i wanted to be a smart ass

[lusty grotto]

lmao what

[zealous goblet]

wait

[lusty grotto]

60 plus 60... ?????

[zealous goblet]

what part in the track does crafting drop you off at

2/6? 1/6?

is it on myth?

i don't know

[lusty grotto]

why does it matter

[zealous goblet]

because i'd need crests to upgrade it after crafting is is what i'm trying to say

[lusty grotto]

you cant

upgrade

crafts

525 is the max ilvl

[zealous goblet]

i was fed misinformation once more

brb slitting wrists

https://tenor.com/view/jump-yolo-leap-base-jump-gif-9571764

[lusty grotto]

i mean you can upgrade them, but why would you craft anything with wyrms

60 aspects = 1 enchanted aspect = 525 t5

thats it

[zealous goblet]

anyways, i'm just gonna wait to see what the vault has next week i think memes aside

i've pushed from 10s flat to 12s flat this week

[lusty grotto]

lets count my crafted items

oh crap i logged off on my arms set

• brez bracers

[zealous goblet]

i cant count

[lusty grotto]

• allied wristguards for Arms only

my 6th craft will probably be another belt

so i can actually fucking equip a 2nd embelish with brez bracers

and/or a neck and/or a cloak

probably a neck, depends on vault

[merry sluice]

mist weaver + shadow priest
people still die to bursting

i need to start checking pug talents

bc shaodw priest didnt use it once lmfao

[pallid quiver]

+2s are certainly something

I don't think I've ever not had to solo 2nd and 3rd boss in HoI on my Brew so far

[merry sluice]

lmfao pug HoI is always an experience

[pallid quiver]

Nobody knows what to do with frogs

And my personal favorite part is all the legitimately new to Mythics and M+ people I find who are legitmately in the process of learning

warms my heart every time while i'm punching someone for like 4 minutes

[merry sluice]

the HoI special is an impatient DPS running ahead of you on the stairs

and just getting smacked by stealth mobs

[pallid quiver]

RJW is a godsend for not getting stunned by those

I will always get slapped by those on War

without fail

[lusty grotto]

heres a trick

on the stationaries, go in with leap where they are standing

on the 2 roamers

use the aoe pot before stepping in

i forget the name

[pallid quiver]

shocking disclosure

i don't have anymore

[lusty grotto]

last 2 stationaries, leap in into tclap

or leap in into demo

[pallid quiver]

I just pop SW

[lusty grotto]

just leap one and immediately do any of those

or... of course ravager/troar

[pallid quiver]

I don't do anything above a 10, so it doesn't really hurt

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig

[pallid quiver]

just hurts muh dam

If I happen to land on them/leap them, cool

[lusty grotto]

well 4 of them are stationary

2 of them arent

so they will always be at the same spot

[pallid quiver]

yeah the moving ones will get me free

[lusty grotto]

and theres 1 more roamer but hes in frog room which nobody does except on select high keys

though i havent seen any routes going that way

but at least in s2 that room was popular on really high keys

i honestly dont even shocking disclosure

i just go into the hallway and look at the floor, and if i see 2 circle shadows i clap

with shadows all the way to low

[merry sluice]

yeah

I usually leap+shocking/clap and it always catches them

But some shenanigans can happen with stairs where i need to walk into the hall a few steps before jumping down, where dps don't give me the patience before going zoom-zoom and getitng stunned lmfao

my favourite is still from s2.
An evoker rescued me forward bc 'drr death knight too slow' and dude got his bones shattered by rescuing me right into the stealth boys

[merry sluice]

i keep seeing the channel glow white like there's a new msg, but there's no new msg

:C

[civic holly]

can i spell block poison ticks from lasher poison vs overgrown ancient?

[echo egret]

I doubt it. I personally refuse to go in AA at high tyr without a poison dispel in the group.

[median tulip]

The best way to deal with the lashers is to have a Shaman throw their Earth Elemental at the boss when the lashers wake up.

[grim pilot]

evoker, druid, monk, shaman, pally

get 1 of those

and you're fine

though shaman might be a bit iffy on high keys since it's like a 1min cd? and the lashers live a while with godcomp

[median tulip]

A Shaman who is in that key should be able to handle 3 sets; 1st set with the EE, then second with PCT, then use the Totem CD reset ability to have it ready for the third. At a pinch stun totem as well.

[strong forum]

shammy always has poison dispel totem

for that

[grim pilot]

can he dispel multiple times

during 1 set

[strong forum]

yes

[grim pilot]

ah

[median tulip]

The totem pulses

[strong forum]

it dispels every 1.5sec for 9seconds

i actually hate that all 3 of my characters dont care about heroic raid anymore

not any cool trinket to snag or anything

[median tulip]

Solution: level a 4th

I've got 8 Level 70s. I'm getting all of them into LFR and doing M0 this week. Just for Bullion Transmogs

[undone beacon]

So if I have a 525 crafted shield, is it worth dropping bullions on a shield for the extra three ilvls and redrafting my shadowflame patch to something else, or am I better off grabbing an awakened version of a trinket I have like dreadplate?

I haven’t touched retail in a hot second so I guess with the weekly I can do both but

Feels bad to replace my crafted shield haha

[violet ginkgo]

For shield go for as high ilvl as possible.

[undone beacon]

Ugh I gotta grind out another 60 crests to upgrade another piece with shadowflame

[strong forum]

reallly depends if you care enough

and are high end content

if you dont, its not as important

[grim pilot]

actually goated

when I get dispeled on cd by evo bc druid are not running poison dispel

it gets sometimes to 20-25 stascks

and it hurts

[strong forum]

druid cant dispel poison

literally cant

they got magic curse and disease

but not poison

priest also cannot dispel poison

[ebon geyser]

I personally wouldn't spend billions on a shield

[ebon geyser]

How long did it took you to lvl to 70

[zealous goblet]

is there a resource to see what i can spell reflect? or a way to toggle the spell reflect damage numbers? because i've not seen any float above the mob's head like normal damage. it's mostly been trial and error

for me*

[hardy snow]

there is link to sheet in pins

[zealous goblet]

ahh i missed it

mb

but the 2nd part of my question still stands, unless that one is just me being crazy, but i don't think i've seen spell reflect damage show up just like a shield slam's damage number would

[mellow bridge]

yes they can

they can do poison, not diseases

[grim pilot]

most druids aren't running it

evo has it basically baseline

and u dont need to dispel anything else in that key

[strong forum]

right

ye i would always inspect my healer first

before going AA

and yell at them to get it

[grim pilot]

why

1 dispel is enough

[zealous goblet]

btw, does heroic leap's knockdown stop spellcasting? i can't test rn

or is it purely visual

[blazing condor]

heroic leap doesnt do any form of cc

all it does it deal physical damage and reset taunt

[zealous goblet]

huh, weird, because visually it does make enemies fall onto their ass if you hit them with it

but it's not consistent? iunno

maybe i'm crazy

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt do any cc

[zealous goblet]

yeah he said that

[median tulip]

Like idk, I had them from about Season 2

[true oxide]

it can cc with a pvp talent, but I'm assuming that we weren't talking about open-world in the first place?

[zealous goblet]

Correct
I just noticed humanoids were falling down when i leaped onto them

[blazing condor]

yeah pvp is its own thing

not heaps of knowledge in here about how pwarrs function in pvp

[zealous goblet]

I like it for war mode because I'm nearly invincible while doing world quests

I've won fights like 8/10 times because people verbally agree to truce because neither of us are dying

[round pendant]

I hate pugging heroic

[jagged pier]

Yes

[round pendant]

Can't even kill nymue and it's the same old shit as last season

And the runback is SOUL CRUSHING

[earnest cove]

got kicked out of grp because i dont had cheat + rageheart equipped

[round pendant]

I really want them to tone down the 1 mistake and the entire raid wipes in heroic

yeah you can argue heroic isn't designed for pugging but

idc

[strong forum]

que?

heroic pugging is the easiest thing

just dont invite clowns

[round pendant]

Then I'd be forming for 5 hours

Especially on saturday :(

It's all fine until the final bosses or the odd random "difficult" one like nymue/etc

but the moment you wipe once, all the good players leave and it's just perpetual shitters

[median tulip]

You should never pug heroic raids at peak times

guaranteed to get a bunch of people who don't know mechanics

[tribal wharf]

monday 10 pm is the worst time to do a key

+100% chance to fail the key

[median tulip]

Tuesday here, for same reason

[round pendant]

Wait the other Seal (Filial Duty) is good this season?

What makes it worth it over a crit/haste ring

I remember in s1 it was considered not really worth

🤔

[median tulip]

In season 1 you were fighting for appropriate secondaries a lot more; now it's fairly trivial to hit the second DR. So having haste on everything like we did back then simply isn't as critical. In addition, we did way less fire damage back then. And, whichever way you cut it, free effects are free, and free is my favourite price.

[round pendant]

That makes sense

[lusty grotto]

its the highest ilvl ring in the game

[lusty grotto]

this is false

haste is critical

well, the first part is false

you just never ever went haste > ilvl

ever

even in s1

and a 535 ilvl ring will beat everything in that regard

especially a 535 ring thats also a cantrip

also, in order to get that high of a filial duty in s1, you HAD to kill Broodkeeper in mythic... not a lot of people had access to it, we have bullions now

we still used diurna's though with UFFB

[round pendant]

Hmm I thought ring ilvl wasn't worth much

[lusty grotto]

it is when its literally

that much higher

myth caps at 528

the ring is 535

thats 7 item levels

worth of stam and secondaries

plus a cantrip effect

[round pendant]

7 ilvls of mostly mastery

[lusty grotto]

so?

all stats are good

do i have to ping ghash?

hes taking a vacation from this season

[round pendant]

wrong, vers sucks

[lusty grotto]

well good luck wearing our tier

(:

[round pendant]

lol

[lusty grotto]

dem chest and gloves

[blazing condor]

just sim

[novel basin]

hmm with 0 ITF stacks... should prolly get some more crit/mastery then

[merry sluice]

i jsut watched a havoc vr off the ledge on telash and die

[south zealot]

no it doesnt

its fone

you want some of all stats

[south zealot]

yeah you should drop 400 haste for crit probably

[lusty grotto]

smells like not ilevel capped

[lusty grotto]

they were memeing dont worry

[south zealot]

i thought so but you can never be sure

[round pendant]

bruh

[delicate prairie]

need to join DH discord to ask, but how does a DH pull Drakanoid trash onto the Garden trash for first pull in academy? I had it done in my 17 but friend trying to do it as well and also wonder if its DH exclusive or can we do it as well.

[merry sluice]

I thought it was a ranged dps like an Aug tagging it tbh

[cosmic stream]

where's marok

i want to kiss him

[lusty grotto]

hes around

but he changed names

not as active

Genshii is him

[drifting dagger]

from what i've seen they send the aug to pull that trash

[novel basin]

yea im not ilvl capped as i just got on my warr again.. its 516 atm

[merry sluice]

Oh, well welcome to the superior tank chat

[autumn pawn]

Is prot warrior a lot of gear dependent? I just tried to do first pull in M0 AA after i dinged 70 and bought like gear to like 445 ilvl but i got absolutely demolished lmao.

I probably just need more practice but it felt like ignore pain fell off before i could even apply it again with most defensives up.

[blazing condor]

not really that gear dependent

having high haste helps

but its mostly playstyle

[fiery cedar]

whats prot warr ranked like in TWW for m+? can you @ me if you answer pls 😄

[toxic pewter]

? Just play what is most fun to you

[stray gazelle]

Well vdh nerfs kinda killed them and who knows

[fiery cedar]

well yes and no, I wana be able to push properly, not struggle with finding pugs and tanking itself cuz of the class being squishy. So rn I do love prot warr or prot pala

[toxic pewter]

....? what class is squishy.. wat?

[round pendant]

If any tank is squishy you're just playing it wrong

[toxic pewter]

every spec is able to push keys quite well these days

[fiery cedar]

so you re telling me tanks are so ballanced now that all of them are just as viable for very high keys? And there is no 1 overwhelming tank choice that always gets picked and the rest tossed aside in pugs?

[round pendant]

Yes

[fiery cedar]

well fuck me, thats a change from thge last time I played

[round pendant]

well other than VDH being broken but you still don't need to play VDH to push high keys

[toxic pewter]

the tank balance is actually pretty decent if I say so myself, going into the war within they nerfed vengeance dh pretty decently

I would say if you enjoy using utility on your party go ahead and play prot pala

[fiery cedar]

I do love prot warrs kit most, but prot pala also is fun and easier to level with (at least in DF)

heard wog barely does any self healing atm on beta. If somehow its intended and goes live, I cba struggling with prot pala

[toxic pewter]

Well will be up to you to choose. There is no way of knowing which tanks will be considered meta in the next xpac anyway.. maybe go in the tww channel and ask more questions https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1230008411333066913

[toxic pewter]

none of the numbers on the beta are tuned really so no way of knowing how wog will be

[fallow nova]

This is largely where I'm at

I've bounced between warrior and paladin a lot over the years and utility/self-healing is often what pushes me back to pally

[compact silo]

what besides revenge applies dw?

[fiery cedar]

same, only pala and warr since BFA

[fallow nova]

But if the utility affixes are getting removed and wogs are crappy, prot warrior feels better in general

The only exception being that pulling things from range on paladin is way the hell easier

[fallow nova]

Devastate

Or your auto attacks if you have devastator talented

[compact silo]

yeye got it

ty

[fallow nova]

Oof, why was titanic throw removed?

[compact silo]

its not yet

im using it

but i heard in tww it will be :/

its so fun tho

[fiery cedar]

So how do we pull from range then as tanks ?

If it gets removed ?

[jagged pier]

heroic throw

taunt

are both range

ravager as well

[fiery cedar]

Wait nvm I mistook titanic throw for heroic throw

[spring cedar]

F tier, completely unplayable and borderline broken

I expect a full rework in the expansion after TWW

[fiery cedar]

How come ? Lol heard ppl say its quite viable

[spring cedar]

a mythic geared ProtW will struggle on basic keys

[jagged pier]

brah

can we stop sandbagging leafs

prot will be fine and viable in all content

like any other tank

[fiery cedar]

So, do you have to level on beta? Or can you just go into m+ testing ?

[jagged pier]

u can just go in

now please

[spring cedar]

meme questions get meme answers

[jagged pier]

theres is a channel for beta and the TWW

use it

[spring cedar]

legit answer is: if you have to ask, the level of content you are doing isn't reliant on the tank composition

all tanks will be more than fine for whatever content you are looking to do

unless you are trying to do RWF or MDI

[fiery cedar]

I mean I havent played in a while and hence I ask. Tank balance wasnt as great over a year ago. And back then you couldnt just pick whatever and do almost top world keys

[spring cedar]

thats the thing, fam... if you have to ask which tank is good, you are not going to do top world keys

[jagged pier]

a year ago tank balance was extremely good

it only stopped being good when VDH got double sigil this expansion

there is always a 'meta' tank

that doesnt mean the other tanks cant do it

[spring cedar]

^

[fiery cedar]

True

[jagged pier]

like theres always a 3 meta dps specs

and a meta healer spec

[fiery cedar]

Also means other tanks will wait and die in queue for pugging

😂

[jagged pier]

not really

[spring cedar]

not having that problem tbh

[jagged pier]

no one tanks

ppl take tanks

and less ppl will tank next expansion

because the affixes are worse for tanks

the dungeons are worse for tanks

etc etc

[spring cedar]

its just like healers... they can just say "sum" while the dungeon is 30 secs away

[jagged pier]

so tank will be rareer

[spring cedar]

play what you enjoy the most

[fiery cedar]

I had that issue last time when dh became double sigils and i was siting as a pala in queue

[fiery cedar]

Like in BFA where tanks were so rare

Good times lel

[spring cedar]

I mean, if you are a 1.8k rating with 510 ilevel applying for a +15, you can 100% be sure that you wont get taken

nothing to do with which tank you are playing

play what you like leads to you getting better, which leads to better groups

[fiery cedar]

Was doing 2-3 levels lower keys than top world when I was playing, not sure why you talk to me like I know nothing and do 1 weekly key only 😂😂

[main oracle]

same, it starts becoming a problem on higher keys 15+ or so

[fiery cedar]

yea so if you arent casually doing keys and want to do high keys, bam, you re fucked sitting half the night in queue.. at least it used to be like that. Thats essentially what I want to avoid

[main oracle]

yep, i eventually exit game coz i get bored of sitting in lfg

gotta push your own keys i guess

and yes everyone on high keys want/prefer a vdh

[fiery cedar]

hopefully its aids for tanks and very few will play

so there wont be this preference for one class

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto Hey dude, do you have any idea as to why my in game R.io tooltip wont show my raid progress? its been like this for over a month now lol, everything is updated on both websites it just doesnt display on my tooltip

[mellow bridge]

are you updating your addon? 👀

[dusky canopy]

yes

I update daily when i log in

[blazing condor]

do you use the rio app itself?

that works for me

[dusky canopy]

hmm, no I just use the in game addon, i dont have the stand alone client for the desktop

[blazing condor]

client works well but idk if its "needed"

you put it on auto-run on startup and it jsut chills in the background updating it more frequently

[fickle tundra]

you need the standalone client for faster updates. The way its recommened is you disable the raiderio addon autoupdates on whatever addon control app you have (curse, wago, etc) and you let the raider.io app update the addon while running on the background

hey a very late dumb question about HOI: how do you avoid getting stunned by the stealthed mobs on the stairs?

[pallid quiver]

Hit them first with an aoe of some kind, usu leap/TC, Demo can also work

You can spot their shadows in the floor, with it being easier with lower shadow settings, to help see them

you can also beg a hunter for a flare i guess

[blazing condor]

throw that ravager in

i usually leap

works fine most of the times

but revenge/tc can work as well

[pallid quiver]

I just pop SW and eat the stun because I don't do more than weekly keys atm, but that's not sustainable in actual levels of keys

though +2s are some real keys atm with most pugs

[undone bramble]

you guys know if first 2 bosses solo tankable

on mythic

we have a bdk

[south zealot]

what bosses

[undone bramble]

first 2 on amirdrassil

i know they are on heroic

[south zealot]

im pretty sure u need a second tank for igira

[undone bramble]

i mean if its the same cleave as heroic

then it should be soloable

i guess the cleave has like a range

[south zealot]

oh does it

[undone bramble]

if all the melee go to the back of the boss on heroic nobody gets hit

[south zealot]

i thought it just picks the next closest target regardlesss of range

[undone bramble]

but if you get close you get hit

am not sure if that applies to mythic

[pallid quiver]

Normally, it'll just hit the main target twice if no one else is in range for most of those kinds of mechs

[fast edge]

I sometimes have wings coming out of my back

Just saw a blood dk with them as well

any idea?

(what they might be)

[violet flume]

This? https://www.wowhead.com/spell=47788/guardian-spirit

[lusty grotto]

did you solve this? try doing a bnet account refresh on your r.io account in the website

[mellow bridge]

what kind of wings?

if theyre like this, it's the trinket from kazzara

[zealous goblet]

hey lads, sorry to ask a similar question as yesterday, but i got the nelth boots, should i keep them as nelth boots or turn them into "tier" boots

(crit/haste) vs (higher haste, vers)

[dense cradle]

First time I’ve seen an hpriest do damage in a key, guy did over 100k overall

albeit a rat key

[lusty grotto]

up to you really

depends if you need more haste or not, sim if you're not confident in whatever

im personally using low haste high crit boots cause they're myth, and haven't catalyzed them

and partly cause im not a versa fan

[zealous goblet]

gonna be an interesting vault week

for the most part i've been spoiled, but this is gonna be the first week where i'm such high ilvl and stuff

i grinded like a monkey for the last 2 weeks

[zealous goblet]

hey i was thinking, is it possible to roll a myth track treesplinter?

[lusty grotto]

yes

as tank loot spec yes

my vdh has one

[zealous goblet]

i know most of the power is in the active, i just was wondering if you could roll myth track for items that usually can't get it

i've not seen a fucking splinter in like 15 brackenhides

[lusty grotto]

myth track is still an uppy

cause strength

[zealous goblet]

ye for sure

[zealous goblet]

ok

tree splinter is f tier

i've done nothing but brackens for like

two days now

it doesnt exist

[atomic gorge]

how do prot sim for dungeon? are y'all using dungeon slice , patchwork combos, or MDT sims?

[icy citrus]

Where are you now, Stormforgers? 💪 #moretaunts

[jagged pier]

#1230008411333066913

[torn gust]

neat

[ebon geyser]

can i sim buillon upgrades or no

[earnest cove]

Check under droptimizer

[ebon geyser]

nop

[jagged pier]

yes u use gear compare

[ebon geyser]

ty, i have 8 gems and idk what to buy

[ebon geyser]

is sark cloak a must for tank and dps?

[jagged pier]

its garbage for tanks

and sim bait for dps

[ebon geyser]

so not worth it, ty

[hardy snow]

it is in droptimizer, its called raid vendors

[ebon geyser]

is giving me this in top gear

[hardy snow]

change upgrades level

[ebon geyser]

im running droptimizer now

[ebon geyser]

idk if i gonna go all the way to 535

[hardy snow]

you can choose different lvl

any lvl you know you will upgrade to

[ebon geyser]

unless it doesnt matter

the ilvl

[round pendant]

I feel like I'm not clapping enough

sim says tclap and revenge should both be higher damage than shield slam at 5 targets

but I never have that in m+ 🤔

shield slam and fervid bite are always at the top

[ebon geyser]

should i do 535 and see what are the real upgrades or nah

[hardy snow]

well, if you wont be upgrading to that level (its nothing hard to do though), I wouldnt call it "real" upgrades in your case then 😉

[ebon geyser]

Going to 14/14 looks daunting and expensive lol

[hardy snow]

nah, dont forget not all items can go to 14 upgrades, its only for rare items from last bosses, rest is 12/12 only

[ebon geyser]

Now, is dead plates worth it over fyrakk

[jagged pier]

well how would u plan to use the on use of fyraks?

[ebon geyser]

what u mean

[jagged pier]

well when do u press it in general

[ebon geyser]

idk, i dont have it

[jagged pier]

okay when would u press it, u think

[ebon geyser]

after i pull and grab mobs

[jagged pier]

then dreadplates it better

[ebon geyser]

ok, also , do you think i should get a shield or nah

[jagged pier]

thats up to u

[ebon geyser]

i can get ashcandy for arms and something else for prot

is there still a cap on how many crafted i tems you can have

or is 2 embellishments

[jagged pier]

there was never a cap on crafted items

only emblishments

[ebon geyser]

ohh ok

[ebon geyser]

do we go for 5 piece tier?

[gloomy trail]

do we even use execute as prot in m+ ?

[jagged pier]

yes

2 or less targets

[median tulip]

Does Bloodsurge have an internal cooldown?

[fast edge]

Eternal dreadplates?

That makes sense, ty

[mellow bridge]

No, the crit one

[crystal turret]

Typically during your opener and all your cds, you have a huge influx of rage. Coupled with UF, you’ll be thunderclapping every other gcd and ignore pain/revenge spamming to not cap rage

[lusty grotto]

ignore pain*

not revenge

revenge is not off-gcd

and is only used if SS and TC are on cd

[ebon geyser]

should i ?

i play arms too

[lusty grotto]

do you know how to sim

[ebon geyser]

[lusty grotto]

that wasnt a joke

do you want the answer to your question?

sims will give you the answer you want, so do you know how to?

[ebon geyser]

yes, doing it atm , i just forgot that u can pick

so for dps is telling me keep it as is, for prot to cata it

[lusty grotto]

link sim

[ebon geyser]

prot

arms

if thats what u mean

[lusty grotto]

no

link the url of the sims

[ebon geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h9RzibXFbjHRjAxBJrGUdQ

[lusty grotto]

and what content do you play

[ebon geyser]

arms

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wAjv6CjomAYQhS7oBGvogp

prot

[lusty grotto]

5 mins 1 target sims are for raid / st

[ebon geyser]

m+ up to 10-12 and dps raids , but gearing for m+ to learn for next season

[lusty grotto]

do you only do m+?

[ebon geyser]

so both specs up to 12 and raid dps

[lusty grotto]

change the sim to patchwerk, 5 targets, 1 min or 1.5 mins

[ebon geyser]

ok

sec

[lusty grotto]

and rerun them

[ebon geyser]

like this

[lusty grotto]

yea

[ebon geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hBodbiyduL3x9bYNekJXGp

prot

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9aFsjAgP2pf9Jx27PZzrqX

arms

[lusty grotto]

there you go

also

why do you have different belts

you have a blue belt for prot

vs chevalier's greatbelt for arms

re-equip your stuff

ilvl > all

and test prot again

[ebon geyser]

ok

[lusty grotto]

arms and prot doesnt gear different

its literally the same

no reason to use this as prot when you're wearing a better one for arms

[ebon geyser]

true

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/shvHabD4qbr1oQCLjbYKwz new one

[lusty grotto]

im so confused

youre getting a 29k increase on what

its the same belt

hero 4/6

ah

dreadplates

why are you using this when you have dreadplates

[ebon geyser]

i forgot to swap on that sim

[ebon geyser]

still tells me to swap

[lusty grotto]

also show gear differences from EQUIPPED is important

[ebon geyser]

wheres that

[lusty grotto]

dont cata the belt

you will need haste

[ebon geyser]

ok

[lusty grotto]

catalyzed belt has no haste

which is why the arms sim is within margin of error

[ebon geyser]

ok nim, i can craft with wyrms 2 things what you recommend? back and wrist or back and neck

[lusty grotto]

well considering you need 2 embelishments

and you cant slap a shadowflame patch on a neck

i would focus the other 2

and then craft neck afterwards, if anything

[ebon geyser]

ok

ty

also @lusty grotto i have 4 gems to buy gear what you recommend?

[lusty grotto]

oh

i forgot something

that is not the spec you sim for M+ as arms

no cleave? no bladestorm?

youre running an ST spec

[ebon geyser]

on m+ is telling me to cata the belt lol

[lusty grotto]

youre not running M+ talents

also no its not

change arms to M+ talents

[ebon geyser]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fParZy33ggapriCTbTB451

[lusty grotto]

100k more dps just like that (:

if you swap belt you will lose the haste

its a 3k dps upgrade but...

haste lost is kind of a big deal for both

honestly its a toss up

since you get charges everyweek

[ebon geyser]

i mean , i can make haste something the back and bracers

[lusty grotto]

not a big deal if you use it, but keep in mind you might get better

not haste something

haste crit

[ebon geyser]

im at 44% haste on prot

23% crit

[lusty grotto]

i dont speak percents

ratings

also that number will go down with ilvl upgrades

[ebon geyser]

i can put gems on neck , make haste crit the belt and bracers

[lusty grotto]

right

do those asap

[ebon geyser]

should i buy a shield or make a shield?

[lusty grotto]

considering youre probably not gonna do myth raiding

get filial duty first, then shield

[ebon geyser]

i have 4 gems to buy stuff and next week in vault

[lusty grotto]

did you do the quest

the weekly dungeon quest

[ebon geyser]

what quest

yes

is why i have 4

i got plates earlier

[lusty grotto]

you only have 2 bullion items?

you should have more

[ebon geyser]

i bough diurna and fyrak weapon

[lusty grotto]

ok 3

[ebon geyser]

unless im missing gems to buy stuff

[lusty grotto]

go into lfr

and youll catch up

just do one Awakened wing

buy Filial Duty

[ebon geyser]

how many buillons i should have in total up to this week?

[lusty grotto]

depends if you did the previous dungeon quest

[ebon geyser]

the first time that there where 2 no i didnt do that

[lusty grotto]

11 bullions then

thats 5 items

12 next week

for 6 items

[ebon geyser]

so i have 6 in prot , 5 in bags

since i have wep,trink.ring

and i have 5 wince i did the quest

and im missing the 2 from a couple of weeks ago since i didnt do it

[lusty grotto]

yeah youre up to date i think

anyway buy the ones i suggested

filial duty and shield

then another trinket next week when you get next week's bullion

signet/anvil or all-totem are good buys

for next week

[dusky canopy]

Never figured out rio nim but honestly not to worried about it right now

Been having a blast with ER dlc

||Messmer|| is a total pain in the ass!

[ebon geyser]

@lusty grotto what are the best slots to put a socket?

[lusty grotto]

whatever you wont replace

i.e. myth track items

or crafted

why do you ask

[ebon geyser]

i have 2 of the socket items

[lusty grotto]

you shouldn't be getting sockets from vault, youre severely undergeared

unless youre unbelievably unlucky

[ebon geyser]

i mean it was a while back before i made the swap

[lusty grotto]

this season?

cause last season's sockets wont work

on current season gear

[ebon geyser]

yes at the start i was gonna play but then swap to pally so took 2 weeks of sockets

and also i was unlucky

[lusty grotto]

yikes

doubt you were unlucky

bad decision to pick sockets

but you have them so

slap them on crafted wrist

and save them for Myth track items

[tribal wharf]

Game abilities, in game vs in cutscene effects, alternative title, how to spell reflect.

[rigid yew]

Can we please just get a spell reflect that reflects ALL spells during it's time up?

[violet ginkgo]

You mean back to Legion era?

I think few weeks ago we got that discussion but I can't post the link to the post since I forgot when.

[south zealot]

spell reflect, even if it didnt reflect spells at all, is a strong button

it reflecting 1 spell is really strong

[violet ginkgo]

Well I don't ask for the whole duration but 2 spells should be good assuming we pull in M+ because there are few mob castings

or maybe talent that add 1 more reflect so we can just opted to 1 reflect during raid but can be 2 during M+

[merry sluice]

or actually fix it not doing anything sometimes...

whoo bugs

[rigid yew]

It can reflect multiple spells if they all hit at the same time. Really rare though.
But I don't think asking for a proper spell reflection would somehow make prot warrior FOTM every season.
Most seasons we are usually mid at best.
And classes should be buffed vs nerfing to average them out if it's possible.

[zealous goblet]

i prefer not being mainstream because then it looks cooler when i perform well instead of being seen as a class i'm seen as a person

i feel mighty, i feel big

[jagged pier]

We used to have that spell reflect its was busted in like 1 place

They made it not deflect or reflect pretty much anything else because it was too strong other wise

[zealous goblet]

maybe we're not actually weak, but seem weak because we no longer encapsulate rage as we used to in classic

the rage meter may be full, but our hearts aren't

embrace the classic andy, use more slurs

(this is a joke, please do not say naughty no no words)

[fallow fern]

Anyone here actually running voice of the silent star? 🤔

[zealous goblet]

i am unsure firsthand, but i hear it doesn't have stamina on it, and i imagine that's a big deal for prot

[fallow fern]

My ilvl is stuck at 528.75 and Cloak would give me 529 😆...but yea the loss of Stam.. yuck

I'm just a glutton for ilvl.. even tho it doesn't really matter

Hard to justify dropping 3.5k stam

[humble schooner]

what does that equal HP wise? At that ilvl you have what, 2.3m HP or so ?

[fallow fern]

I'm currently at 2.46m.. don't know what it would actually drop by

[violet ginkgo]

Well if you talk about raid up to heroic or low M+ should be fine but once you hit high M+ or pushing don’t even think about it.

[frail jungle]

how is it best to gear up for s4?