protection

[plush path]

i only have diurna

• a mythic ring

[lusty grotto]

so get the other one

[plush path]

i dont have

the having

[lusty grotto]

you will

are you EU

[plush path]

yes

[lusty grotto]

NA got 4 mythic dungeon for 2 bullions this week

[waxen frigate]

You can get 2 bullions from 4 dungeons today

Or tomorrow I guess

[lusty grotto]

so wait on reset

in the mean time

[plush path]

supa gangsta

[lusty grotto]

arcane loop is better

but replace asap with filial

[zealous goblet]

finding out shield block stacks like 2 weeks after finding out ignore pain stacks made me feel like a caveman discovering fire

that is to say if it's 70%, make sure you're stacking it. my old uptime was like 60% before fidning out, then it shot up to 93-96%~

[valid hinge]

What do you mean about shield block stacking?

[lusty grotto]

duration stacks

[zealous goblet]

you can consume both stacks and it doesn't refresh, it adds the durations together

[lusty grotto]

up to 3 times its base duration

[zealous goblet]

same with shield charge

[valid hinge]

oh yeah, you keep that bad boy up all day

[zealous goblet]

yeah i'm saying if that dude has 70% uptime he might be making the same mistake i used to make

[lusty grotto]

possible, but it kinda seems he wasnt tracking it

so thats more than likely his problem

[zealous goblet]

is it possible to target something on mouseover without having to click?

like stormbolt

or do i just have to tab target/click on them?

[fallow fern]

yea i wasnt tracking it at all.. gonns get a WA and try it out

[lusty grotto]

you need to create a macro

either

#showtooltip
/use [@mouseover, exists, harm][@target, exists, harm][] Stormbolt

or

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, exists, harm][@target, exists, harm][] Stormbolt

both work as macros

sorry

should be mouseover

and will probably be better if it had some conditions

[zealous goblet]

oh i'm dumb as fuck i thought you could only macro like aoe shit like heroic leap and ravager

[lusty grotto]

so you dont randomly stormbolt something

[zealous goblet]

oops

[dusky canopy]

I love mousover kick and stun that way I can hover my mouse over the target I want to cc in the pile of 15 health bars and never miss

[zealous goblet]

see? learn something every week

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

there

itll mouseover if your mouse is on top of an enemy you can harm

if not, it'll stormbolt your target

if you want it for something like... incorp, it will fail

so maybe remove the harm condition

i havent tried harm on incorp so im not sure if it will fail or not, im just throwing caution to the wind

and also be very careful cause if your mouse is over something that's not what you want to stormbolt...

[jagged gust]

whats the purpose of the last box of square brackets?

[lusty grotto]

its just in case the others fail

its a default condition

the others wont fail though

its "just in case" cause typos happen

[jagged gust]

just good engineering practice right there

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

nin open my vaults for me

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

It'll be easy

because i dont have any vaults

Thanks, Nim, you're the best for opening my nothing

[lusty grotto]

lol

[undone beacon]

I got excited seeing gloves in my vault so I could finally nab myth gloves, only to remember I did shitter keys and it wasnt myth track 💀

[pallid quiver]

I didn't do a single key last week iirc

Actually, maybe a key

[lusty grotto]

afk week anyway

[pallid quiver]

I only started gearing my monk since I realized I had appearances I wanted that are armor

[undone beacon]

I just havent bothered much with retail between remix grinding and playing other shit

[pallid quiver]

i spent most of last week just trying random steam demos out during next fest

[lusty grotto]

im done with remix this week

[undone beacon]

On the plus side I only need 1 more heroic world tour worth of bronze and then i'll have collected everything you can buy

[pallid quiver]

that was a bad decision

I fucking need some if those games on a psychological level

[undone beacon]

I need to finish out a few normal ensembles and then I'll prob only log on to blast a few alts to cap in prep for tww

[lusty grotto]

all i got left is mounts

ilvl capped, everything else bought

i wanted to finish this before elden ring and dawntrail and it looks like ill be able to

[jagged gust]

oh shit speaking of remix, 1 more round of heroic raids and I should finally be 476

[lusty grotto]

cool

after that its super quick to get the rest

[jagged gust]

The main reasoning behind my grinding is not wanting to deal with other remix players lmao

[lusty grotto]

cause you get insta invited to any diff daily clear

oh

its just faster with groups anyway

[jagged gust]

yeah I worded that wrong

I mean like playing the invite game

[lusty grotto]

oh right

[jagged gust]

and yeah, feels good in general to be the carry for once

[lusty grotto]

i mean youre already almost there if you get declined people are idiots

i got 450s for a world tour yesterday so i could carry my lil bro over all the heroic achieves

was fast

[jagged gust]

You're not remix meta? Psh, get outta this normal hof

[undone beacon]

Honestly once I hit 400 invites were easy

[lusty grotto]

well i mean it helps im 476 and had other 476s

[undone beacon]

The double bronze from boxes is the only reason I'm bothering to do the ensembles, I was just gonna grab a few and dip

But getting >100k bronze a day from raids/dailies is slight

[jagged gust]

Around 440 was the tipping point for me, I notice most leads refuse to invite anyone below 430, and below 440 unless they've been queuing for more than 5-10 minutes

[lusty grotto]

those are dumb

[jagged gust]

Well most is a pretty subjective term when it's just my groups out of thousands

[lusty grotto]

just like the ones that dont invite multiple 476 tanks

they are had stuck in normal wow

or the ones that invite "healers" lmaoooo

[undone beacon]

Honestly for the first three raids one decently threaded 476 can solo, I invite a bunch of shitters because I just want to fill

Hey applying as a healer is how I did the 350-400 grind haha

Poor suckers

[jagged gust]

I had a 600k thread hunter in my group the other day, getting carried on the meters by a bunch of 450s

Like I swear he just needed to auto attack at that point

[lusty grotto]

all healers do is troll with righeous flurry anyway

err

righteous frenzy

fucking chunks my 14M health

[jagged gust]

I had an interesting group the other day, 5 476s carrying a bunch of us through a world tour, and 95% of their damage was from searing light

[undone beacon]

I hate righteous frenzy

[lusty grotto]

i have 243k threads

[undone beacon]

Searing Light + Lifestorm is meta

[lusty grotto]

so its not much

[undone beacon]

juicy lifestorms

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

omg I never read it thoroughly, didn't notice the heal aspect of the gem

[dusky canopy]

Nim wtf!

243k!?

[lusty grotto]

thats nothing

[dusky canopy]

Dude I have what like 6k in each stat

[lusty grotto]

people are at 800k threads now

[dusky canopy]

Jesus

[lusty grotto]

its a waste of time

[dusky canopy]

It is

[lusty grotto]

honestly

[jagged gust]

honestly I play like twice a week and I'm at 80k

[dusky canopy]

I stopped bothering

I’m 476 and just finishing out the mounts/heirlooms

Then I’m done

[lusty grotto]

i just dont know why people farm those in IoT or w/e

[ripe fjord]

Where can I find the best prot trinkets for m+?

[lusty grotto]

seems so pointless

[ripe fjord]

Like what everyone is using?

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates, anvil, all totem, manic grief

[dusky canopy]

Timeless isle rare spawns every 5 minutes and it drops threads like a heroic raid boss

So people afk there with a macro

Actually cringe

Lmao

[ripe fjord]

is this bad?

[lusty grotto]

nah i mean the ones that hyperspawn camp on the faction camps

[jagged gust]

the best

[lusty grotto]

best defensive trinket in the game

[south zealot]

its the best pure defensive option

but theres no damage on it

[ripe fjord]

hell ya, my lil 500IL prot alt would take it then

[south zealot]

si if youre not doing sufficiently high content its a wasted item

[dusky canopy]

Haven’t done that myself I wasn’t aware of it

[lusty grotto]

you havent seen them?

[ripe fjord]

i think its a good alt tanking trinket, just doing 10s-14s

[dusky canopy]

No I didn’t realize there were still hyperspawns

Thought they fixed em

[lusty grotto]

give me a sec

finishing a ToT reclear

i suppose you need to have done the isle of thunder story to even see them

cause the faction camp needs to be unlocked

[dusky canopy]

Oh that could be I have the faction camp I’m pretty sure

[lusty grotto]

but basically opposite faction comes, and rails the mages with the portal back to township or w/e

and they hyperspawn

[dusky canopy]

Huh is this newish?

[lusty grotto]

either way its so riduculously pointless

[dusky canopy]

Had no idea

[lusty grotto]

no

it was up for a while

its such a small camp though

basically only a group can do it, or else they get pissed or w/e

[dusky canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-yoshi-hammer-hit-smash-gif-16289952

Banned

[jagged gust]

I've got a 5 mob 8 second spawn afk spot on thunder isle

[lusty grotto]

theres quite a few

[jagged gust]

just wondering if it's worth the effort to do the group thing or not, hyperspawn sounds kinda exciting

[lusty grotto]

uhh why

farming threads is super pointless

here you go Brew

[jagged gust]

in all honesty, I would probably try it then give up after 2 minutes, I do not have it in me to grind these days

still just curious

[ripe fjord]

do any prot warrior run the cheat death trinket from dawn?

[jagged pier]

done no farming and no world bosses

and im at 210k threads

[lusty grotto]

on extremely high keys sure

[jagged pier]

but im nearly done with remix now

nearly bought everything

[lusty grotto]

i did world bosses cause i thoguht they could drop their mounts LMAO

[jagged pier]

they can

[lusty grotto]

as soon as wowhead posted they didnt

[jagged pier]

apprently

[lusty grotto]

i stopped

[jagged pier]

oh they dont

ah never did them anyway

dont want to sit and wait 15min max

[lusty grotto]

yea

heres what i do, i log in, get the dailies -> normal + heroic dungeon, normal + heroic scenario -> heroic world tour -> log off

[jagged pier]

i dont even do a full world tour

[lusty grotto]

takes 1:30 2 hours tops

[jagged pier]

literally the 3 easy ones

done in under an hour them and dailies

[lusty grotto]

and i do them during meetings lmaoo

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

oh ya

[dusky canopy]

I pretty much only run ToT

Sometimes the easy 3 and a gharrosh only

[jagged pier]

yer honestly fuck tot and soo takes too long

[lusty grotto]

SoO is kind of a slog thanks to galakras taking 2 days to complete

[jagged pier]

already had tusks and hierlooms

[lusty grotto]

but SoO is too much copper to ignore so i just afk Galakras

[valid hinge]

Heirlooms are basically worthless anymore

by the time this remix is over I'll have at least 1 of every class at max

[lusty grotto]

i already had 4 of the heirlooms so

[dusky canopy]

Not if you enjoy timewalking twinking

[hardy snow]

ToT is good for bronze farm because of last bosses giving 2 caches

[dusky canopy]

Timewalking twinking they are great for

That’s why want them anyway

Plus last chance to collect them probably

[valid hinge]

@dusky canopy thats fair. Time walking is basically does the item hae sockets? okay bet. GG

[dusky canopy]

Sorta yeah

[valid hinge]

Nothing wrong with being bout that heirloom life

[dusky canopy]

You want items with haste procs usually

[valid hinge]

I just personally don't get much value from them anymore.

Yeah true

haste procs pop off

[undone beacon]

H SoO and H ToT give the same amount of bronze so I just do ToT lol

[valid hinge]

i still have a DST on my warrior and DK for that

[dusky canopy]

! Nice

I thought about buying a jackhammer because that’s bis for fury but man

[valid hinge]

I farmed grulls weekly on them to get that.

[dusky canopy]

Idk if I’m dumping 1-2m gold on that

[lusty grotto]

i got DST early on

[valid hinge]

just gotta keep the eye on the AH, sometimes they go up for cheap. it happens.

[lusty grotto]

well 2nd kill post nerf

so not early on early on

we only had 1 kill pre nerf

[valid hinge]

Lucky MF

[lusty grotto]

not quite

[valid hinge]

I never have luck on trinkets with my War/DK

[lusty grotto]

gruul broke the guild lmao

i had to reform it with 2 others

[valid hinge]

spreading out is hard XD

[lusty grotto]

but we did good after that huge setback

fuck dude im so glad DKP shit is gone

that was a nightmare to manage

i just dont miss being an officer or raid lead or w/e

[valid hinge]

I kinda wish GDKP was still a thing on live

it would make reclearing more fun

stack that cheese

why does opening the dungeon journal to view loot make my CPU hate me

7800x3d should be able to handle this np

[strong forum]

Sounds like you got some fucky weakauras/addons

[valid hinge]

probably

its onyl when I open a new raid/dungeon from a different expansion

game slows down

[strong forum]

Do you have echo raid tools weakaura thing?

Maybe that causes it

[jagged gust]

I assume you mean for classic, but back when it was retail I didn't get my DST until we were progging M'uru

[valid hinge]

I have MRT

[strong forum]

Mrt is fine

But the echo Tools thingy has weakauras built into the dungeon journal

[lusty grotto]

no

for OG TBC

fuck classic

[valid hinge]

MDT?

[jagged gust]

oh you lucky fuck

[strong forum]

Nah mdt neither

It's literally called echo raid tools

[valid hinge]

ah okay

[strong forum]

But yeah I guess you don't have that then

[jagged gust]

Also how does gruul break a guild? I trio'd it as a BM hunter with a resto shammy and a druid

[valid hinge]

Nah, I'm an American.

XD

[strong forum]

[valid hinge]

Flight leaves in 9 hours and I still haven't packed, wedding/honeymoon. I really want to get these double bullions on my war/dk before I fly out, and I really need to get these calls / emails finished for work fml

Stoked for the trip, but sad that the best two weeks of M+ fall on the date

[strong forum]

Do 4x RLP on m0 1 tank 4dps

You should be done with the quest in an hour tops

[valid hinge]

Yeah, I was going to do that. BDK is 528 so getting invites is easy

[jagged gust]

all you really gotta pack is 19 pairs of underwear and you're set

[valid hinge]

i would like to do +8s to get vault rewards too

[strong forum]

1 lfr wing + 4x M0s/8s

And you get atleast 3 vault slots, so you can in worst case get 2 sockets

[lusty grotto]

real life exp > wow

[strong forum]

But also this

[valid hinge]

100%

[strong forum]

Fuck wow

[lusty grotto]

also weddings are fun

get drunk for free, and party out

[strong forum]

Well

Since it's their honeymoon

Not exactly free

[lusty grotto]

ohhhh

its YOUR honeymoon

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

holy shit

congrats

but even more important

[valid hinge]

Oh yeah, i'm insanely hyped. I don't want to downplay that in the slightest

[lusty grotto]

[valid hinge]

My Thunderfury farming is cursed, DK has one half, the warrior has the other.

[jagged pier]

just wait for classic remix

[jagged gust]

the trade chat spam would be legendary

As legendary as [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]

[rigid hull]

Guys u have any log with shield ring ?

i wanna see how much absorb it gives per dungeon

[strong forum]

15 neltharus

[tribal wharf]

now you see, this is the type of buff i can get behind

[strong forum]

15 ruby

[lusty grotto]

shit numbers

[tribal wharf]

its not my buff i will say

[lusty grotto]

that is mine

[tribal wharf]

but i see 500% (100% per level) melee dmg in zero borderlands 2 talents, i take that

cuz i know 500% dmg cant not be good

[dusky canopy]

My warrior has had Baron binding for like 8 or 9 years I can not for the life of me get the garr binding to drop

My garr kills has to be a few hundred deep by now FML

[lusty grotto]

this is all im missing and im done

344,300 bronze

so like... 3 days?

or 4

just in time for elden ring DLC 😄

[tribal wharf]

its not elden ring

but it takes me just as long to get through this game some times

applies to 2 games im currently playing but stuck-ish on

[jagged pier]

only need like 240k

life is good

[lusty grotto]

nice

[jagged pier]

done every remix achieve as well

[lusty grotto]

yeah same

i kicked myself for not waiting on the Shaohao rep buff but

its done so whatever

[jagged pier]

yer i did wait

[lusty grotto]

lol

[undone beacon]

according to my document im down to my last 43500

Which I have between alts but

I'd rather buy them all on one guy to see the vedors be empty

[waxen frigate]

Your moms down to her last 43500

[rigid hull]

HUUUUUUUUGE

also more stamina

imma be tankier tommorow

[dusky canopy]

This guys a liver

[zealous goblet]

alright boys question

[waxen frigate]

Nope

Not allowed

Put a sock in it

[zealous goblet]

for my bullion this week, shall i get a shield, or just get an offensive trinket?

cause if i get a shield i can get it up +3 levels from what i have now

[waxen frigate]

Kill first boss mythic Amirdrassil

[zealous goblet]

i have literally everything else i need

[waxen frigate]

Then decide

[blazing condor]

if you got a use for the trinket then +3 ilvl isnt gonna be better

but if you dont use the trink then whatev

[lusty grotto]

3 ilvl higher on shield will be better

dog what r u doin

well, defensively

[zealous goblet]

uhh right now for trinkets i got grieftorch,dreadplates, and rageheart

[lusty grotto]

do what nish says

[zealous goblet]

so like, elementium anvil or a shield is what me thinks

yeah

i'm gonna do that

[lusty grotto]

anvil and alltotem

next week is a buy week too so

[dusky canopy]

Alright fish man

[zealous goblet]

hmm i see why you'd suggest anvil, but the totem doesn't look too good.

[lusty grotto]

...

[zealous goblet]

i must be missing something. how strong IS the counterattack?

now now, no need to be disappointed. based off the item description i have nothing to go off of. it says no numbers

[lusty grotto]

you get a big chunk of stats on stances

[dusky canopy]

Totem is actually insane

Sleeper

Ownage

[lusty grotto]

the counter attack is just a bonus

[zealous goblet]

how long does the stance last?

lemme go look up the first boss to see what drops btw

so i understand the advice

[dusky canopy]

#protection message

[lusty grotto]

it drops shield

thats all you need to get

[dusky canopy]

Nomer Smort

Go read

[lusty grotto]

you will not do that boss for anything else but myth shield

since the legs dont have haste, but i guess it could be a sidegrade if no myth legs

and there are better trinkets than branch this time around

[dusky canopy]

Branch owning on smoldy

[lusty grotto]

why branch when you can manic grief

[dusky canopy]

Tru

The fact that you said

“Manic grief”

Instead of torch

Lmao

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[plush tendon]

guys.... I cant decide

heavy haste mastery or heavy crit and some haste

[lusty grotto]

bromach wins

myth dathea > myth bromach > torc => myth nymue/kagni > hero dathea > hero bromach > everything else with haste

even for arms

[merry sluice]

sign up to an 8 for a key i've done on 15 for bullions
denied
title changed to "vdh only"

people are fucking clowns

[lusty grotto]

sign up to mine

9 Nok

[dusky canopy]

Get rekt bozo

[merry sluice]

i found a rando 8 ulda just now but ty lol if i get in hell again i just might

[lusty grotto]

[dusky canopy]

Purple man stronk

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[merry sluice]

purple man make me sad inside

[lusty grotto]

i posted my group 13 mins ago

0 tanks 0 healers

plenty of shitter dps though

dEaD GaMe

[dusky canopy]

Bro I’d be a shitter dps too if I applied

[lusty grotto]

"let me do 4 quick keys on paladin"

[dusky canopy]

2800 hero bb

Gaming

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/caveira-skeleton-ive-been-waiting-gif-13523984

[dusky canopy]

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

https://tenor.com/view/skull-gif-26280065

[dusky canopy]

Push DN

A lot

[lusty grotto]

hol up now

[dusky canopy]

DeezNaughts

[iron pumice]

Not including weekly do we get a bullion this week still? Can’t remember if I got my partial last week or not

[dusky canopy]

Owning

[lusty grotto]

dang

yes we get 3 bullions this week

1 from raid, 2 from quest

[iron pumice]

I meant does the one we get this week complete a set of 2

[lusty grotto]

no

that was last week

[dusky canopy]

I believe if you’re caught up you will have 1.5 this week

Well 3 total

[lusty grotto]

the one from this week completes the 2 for buy week next week

[dusky canopy]

1.5 items is what I meant in my head lul

[iron pumice]

That’s what I thought thank you

[dusky canopy]

Quick mather

[drifting dagger]

Ah yes the +8 with vdh/aug required in title

[lusty grotto]

oof this quickly turned into

an hour

oh finally got accepted to a group

[median tulip]

The Qalashi Wardens in Neltharus - finding these guys really hard to mitigate the Blazing Slash on highish keys. Any tips?

[merry sluice]

This season honestly

[lusty grotto]

spell block

it takes care of 2 slashes

then wall + SR the next ones

then trinket the next ones

then spell block again

[median tulip]

Yeah I use that for the pull with 2 Wardens and the bird, but then there's 2 more pulls right after that also have a Warden

[merry sluice]

This season really Just needs to be old yellered at this point

It just feels deader and deader each week and it feels like there’s so much time left still x.x

[lusty grotto]

right you should be fine

you have the cds

if no wall or spell block or trinket

[median tulip]

Yeah, I'm using all the CDs, but man do they sting on highish keys

[lusty grotto]

just dstance

and SR

[median tulip]

OK well I'm doing all of that

guess they just nasty

[lusty grotto]

hmm not really

they are manageable

maybe youre overlapping cds?

[median tulip]

They are the one mob type in the dungeon that I really feel (aside from Molten Core going off ofc

[lusty grotto]

make a weak aura that blares a horn when they cast blazing

or when blazing is off cd

make sure youre not pressing wall if spell block is up

[median tulip]

You can like... take a break and play something else, you know?

[merry sluice]

No

The issue is I want to play the game

But the season is so dead

That it’s actively hard to play the game

It’s not the gameplay itself

But the lack thereof

[hasty spade]

Yo, how is the amount of IP per cast calculated?

[lusty grotto]

before i answer this question

brief reminder

that ignore pain is not our active mitigation

its a rage dump

[hasty spade]

I thought revenge was the rage dump and you were supposed to always have IP rolling?

[lusty grotto]

Base IP = (APx4.375)x(1+vers)
Max IP = 30% of your maximum health

incorrect

you cannot use Revenge off-gcd

so its an ineffective rage dump

you can use IP in between SS and TC gcds

revenge is only there to proc SS if both SS and TC are on cd

never track IP

always press it over 70 rage

regardless if you have it up or not

our most important mitigation is shield block and shield block alone

[hasty spade]

I mean tell that to the bird peck on tyrannical aa...

[lusty grotto]

what about it

use your cds

[hasty spade]

That you'll die if you don't have a maxed IP going into it?

[lusty grotto]

the biggest damage is not the bleed, that was nerfed from S1

its the initial hit

i guess that depends on the key

but you should always be using a cd

wall is up every 45s

with proper rage usage

(in other words by using IP effectively)

Dstance, Wall, Demo, and Treemouth (or Rageheart if you're one of those)

and rotate them

also the initial hit is blockable

which means you need to have SB up

which goes without saying because SB uptime should be 90%+

do you have a log?

in one of those that hurt ?

[hasty spade]

So I cast IP even if its capped?

[lusty grotto]

yes

warrior uses rage

no rage use = no Wall or Avatar resets + no big outburst Shield Slams + no tier procs

your rage bar needs to be hopping between 30 rage and 70ish

30 for emergency shield block

never capped

never starved

[hasty spade]

I guess I never have such a surplus of rage that I need to hit IP to not waste it, must be doing something wrong

[lusty grotto]

do you have a log?

if you dont have a surplus of rage its very likely youre not pressing shield slam every reset

which you should be doing

[hasty spade]

Like, never need an OGCD IP where a revenge wouldn't have also done the same. And no, I mainly play arms I just off tank when nobody in the guild will

[lusty grotto]

you waste an entire gcd rotation by pressing revenge

you could SS -> IP ogcd -> TC

vs SS -> Revenge

first case you generated rage twice

and consumed in between

second case you generated rage and spent it

or... SS -> IP ogcd -> SS (reset)

did you play arms in s2?

cause it was similar

[hasty spade]

I played fury s3 and arms this season

[lusty grotto]

as arms only has gcd spenders now

[hasty spade]

Didn't play prior

[lusty grotto]

i see

well

revenge will not the same

that is false

[hasty spade]

I'll have to pay attention next time I run a key, so IP is literally just cast when above 70 rage and thats it? Not even earlier if it falls off?

[lusty grotto]

no

its a rage dump

treat it as such

but also dont starve yourself by spamming it

remember 30 and 70

thats where your rage needs to be dancing

[jagged gust]

I love how you saw this from a mile away

[lusty grotto]

just experience

a lot of the people that ask stuff about IP have the wrong idea

[hasty spade]

I'm still gonna put it in the aura for thoroughness in case theres a day where that isnt the case

[jagged gust]

My experience is if you tell people that on reddit, you're in downvote city baby

[lusty grotto]

i dont recommend it

the less you track the better

all you need for prot warrior is a rage bar and an SB tracker

[lusty grotto]

this is also the case with healer mains

they think you "heal" with IP

and you dont

we're not BDKs

[jagged gust]

lmao

[hasty spade]

I don't think you can blame people, theres literally a single resource on the internet that recommends playing like this and the 'popular ones' all have the old spend with revenge recommendation

[jagged gust]

dont nomer/mwahi do guides these days? I gotta imagine they're spitting facts

[lusty grotto]

which resource?

[hasty spade]

Methods prot warrior guide recommends spending with IP over 75 rage. All the other guides I found say revenge.

[lusty grotto]

cause wowhead nor icy veins does

method relevant in 2024 is ... wow

[lusty grotto]

but at least method got it right

im just curious what guide says use revenge

[jagged gust]

my mind always jumps to murlok/tempostorm when it comes to misinformation

[hasty spade]

Wowhead doesn't even list IP in the rotation unless you read to the bottom of the page where it gets a small mention

[lusty grotto]

i mean those are aggregate they dont really go over priority

@strong forum

btw Nome writes it

maybe he can correct it or something

if its that out of the way

[jagged gust]

my first SS is like, the first paragraph of the rotation page

and then further down

[hasty spade]

Ice Veins also doesn't include it and ends with 'Revenge to spend if you don't need survivability'

@jagged gust Why isn't it in the rotation list instead of a footnote

Like why are you leaving out the part that 99% of readers are going to look at:

[jagged gust]

I do think it would be beneficial to a slight degree to have a note in the rotation priority list about IP, but he talks about it rather extensively

that's literally right above, like you don't even have to scroll the page to see my part

but yeah regarding IP usage, that second screenshot is a good overview

[hasty spade]

If this happens so often that nimchip knew what I was getting wrong before I even said it, perhaps its not as obvious as thought is all I'm saying

[jagged gust]

People (me included) will often ask questions that are answered by reading ability tooltips

[strong forum]

okay

whats going on

[hasty spade]

A disagreement about how obvious a seemingly important nuance of prot tanking is 😄

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/kONmpZX.png

is generally there in how to spend rage

the thing about IP in the rotational part

is its very hard to specify

cuz

if you look at the sim

can you spot the Ignore Pain line

[jagged gust]

just a couple if's

[hasty spade]

lol

[strong forum]

it has a few redundancies in there nowadays

but uh

"dont fix it if it aint broke"

[median tulip]

at least you don't need a Massacre conditional nowadays

[jagged gust]

I'm actually a little curious about last stand

i get the tier bonus part from s2 but the target health % range seems odd

[strong forum]

unnerving focus buffs rage generation

if you just send LS on CD in a 5min fight

you wouldnt have LS for execute phase

[jagged gust]

huh

[strong forum]

so this will make the sim use LS on pull

and then on execute

[jagged gust]

That's actually awesome

[strong forum]

instead of on pull and then on CD outside of execute

[median tulip]

I wish that the glory days of Last Stand being affected by Anger Management would return

[strong forum]

not rly relevant now, but was very relevant in SL

but still relevant in the sense that you can sim unnerving focus

if i removed that line, you wouldnt be able to sim unnerving focus at all

[jagged gust]

The dedication to write sim lines for not only immovable object but also both shockwave talents

[median tulip]

People need to be able to sim exactly how bad they are

[jagged gust]

I still haven't found my limit

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-lindsay-lohan-the-limit-does-not-exist-math-no-limit-gif-3546827

[strong forum]

ye like

cant only write the sim for 1 talent setup

gotta make sure it atleast has some form of the obviously bad stuff to be able to be simmed correctly

also just for curiousities sake

cuz you never know

[lusty grotto]

i stayed out cause the bear pulled juggy and miniboss on 1st RLP boss and was answering here

pulls lightning dragon + big ele + patrol together, everyone dies, HDH and me stay alive, i die with 3 mobs left at around 10% hp

Bear dies on Kokia, gets brezzed, i die to agro while hes dead, hunter whispers me

i tell him this

"when we're done"

LOL

i had a fucking laugh at "do you do coaching?"

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

just perfect delivery

NA pug things 🙂

[tribal wharf]

if you guys don't believe the stories i've told

of all the dummies

make a toon, and it has to be on NA, and it has to be horde PVE

and then, you will see

[zealous goblet]

soo

i just got the cheat death trinket from dawn

is dreadplates off the table or fyrakk's?

[lusty grotto]

depends if you need to run cheat to begin with

its not hard locked, its only good for high difficulty

[merry sluice]

Although if you’re considering rageheart

I’d consider tree mouth instead

For prot warrior

[zealous goblet]

i do plan on pushing as high as i can go

[lusty grotto]

treemouth + cheat is the go to

rageheart can go into the bank

but most of the time you wont need cheat

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-starwars-underestimate-gif-7915876

i'm famously stupid

[lusty grotto]

thats fine but if youre doing vault

you dont need it

[zealous goblet]

gotcha, and nah, i'm pushing

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt use a cheat on anything under 14

[zealous goblet]

as much as i can

so far at 11~ ish

[lusty grotto]

so 15 +

[zealous goblet]

no shield from mythic

so my bullion is either shield or extra random trinket

probably shield.

[rigid hull]

hmm do i go for mythic boots

or sockets

crit versa is poop

[zealous goblet]

you can turn those into tier boots, which has haste versa

but they don't count to tier set

[rigid hull]

okok

[zealous goblet]

might wanna wait for a bigger brain to comment tho

[lusty grotto]

no, thats fine

[rigid hull]

ye i guess ilvl always wins

[lusty grotto]

haste boots are always good

versa is yucky but oh well

im rocking crafted until i can get decent ones

[rigid hull]

i could also run the boot it self?

crit versa

i got good amount of haste

[lusty grotto]

nah

do you have both bullion rings?

[rigid hull]

ye gonna buy today

[lusty grotto]

then you wont have a good amount of haste

(:

[rigid hull]

monka

[lusty grotto]

pick em up, swap to haste when you get ring

or rings

[rigid hull]

also how effective is a myth shield?

522 to 528

is the damage block upgrade good or

[lusty grotto]

yes

highest ilvl wins a lot on shield

more block

more armor

more stats

defensively its pretty big

[rigid hull]

roger

guess ill craft one

i AINT doing mythic raid

i have raid phobia

i would do +18 key but not a mythic raid

💀

[merry sluice]

Meanwhile after already getitng my myth shield, we kill mythic experiments and get like 4 shields…

[merry sluice]

hey, tehcnically if u can get in one this week
first boss of Amir can drop a fat shield

crit/haste

[lusty grotto]

you can bullion buy one

also

its kind of a waste to do this week cause Gnarlroot is up but

it is an option

[pallid quiver]

ur an option

[merry sluice]

not to mention if you craft, its gonna be a bit lower ilvl than mythic anyways
counter productive to craft one before trying to at leasyt do first boss mythic, or just bullioning one, if you're worried about your shield ilevel

[lusty grotto]

we're supposed to have 5 crafted this week right?

i lost track

[merry sluice]

uhhh, i've also not been tracking lol

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i think so

should be craft #5

BR bracers here i come

[drifting dagger]

i feel maybe my rotation is off? end of my bracken i did 450+ shield slam's 300+ thunderclaps and about 300 revenge

[lusty grotto]

seems like too many revenges if anything

[drifting dagger]

yea thats what i was wondering

maybe i need to send more IP?

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

[drifting dagger]

im basically sending clap/slam on cd

[lusty grotto]

are you TCing on fervid proc?

[drifting dagger]

honestly just on cd

[south zealot]

too many revenge yes

[lusty grotto]

hm

[south zealot]

well

too little tc

[lusty grotto]

well cant say without a log tbh

[drifting dagger]

i just have details not a log

ill start logging

[south zealot]

do you have 4p equipped

[drifting dagger]

im comming from vdh so im prolly spamming my revenge too freqently since its on my spirit bomb button

[lusty grotto]

hmm

what happens to me is the inverse

[drifting dagger]

im just not used to pressing IP when its not needed

[lusty grotto]

wdym when its not needed

you send it on 70+ rage

[drifting dagger]

i understand it's part of the rage machine, but my brain sees it as a "defensive"

[lusty grotto]

oh

[jagged gust]

#showtooltip Shield Slam
/cast Ignore Pain

[drifting dagger]

lol

might have to shiit

[jagged gust]

wait that doesnt work, needs to be revenge doesnt it?

[lusty grotto]

anyway soul cleave is on my revenge button

so

when i go from VDH to prot

[drifting dagger]

yea i keep most of my buttons similar

[lusty grotto]

it makes me revenge like mad for frailty stacks

so ive been meaning to change it to the SS button

[drifting dagger]

defeneives , generators spenders etc

[lusty grotto]

where SS = Spirit bomb

because honestly spirit bomb isnt that spammable

[south zealot]

idk classes for me just play very differen

t

[lusty grotto]

frailty stacks > all

[drifting dagger]

im def feeling i need to send more IP

[south zealot]

man seeing ppl spam spirit bomb whenver they possibly can in aoe makes me sad

[lusty grotto]

i dont think sending more or less IPs have anything to do with that huge number of revenges though

ip is ogcd after all

you dont replace one with the other

[south zealot]

it can psychologically make u press revenge more to not overcap rage

but yeah

[drifting dagger]

no i was mostly thinking 70+ rage and tc/ss is on cd so i was pressing revenge instead of IP

[south zealot]

in theory it shouldnt

[lusty grotto]

but...

ip is off gcd

and revenge is a gcd

[south zealot]

definitely werent using ip enough

[lusty grotto]

thats just wild though

youre missing a whole gcd just by doing that

[south zealot]

its okay i forgive you

[slender schooner]

Hey, quick question oh Gods of prot warrior.

How much armor does a prot warrior have atm? Doesn't have to be exact. Trying to get an idea of the armor-to-hp ratio

[lusty grotto]

im not 527

[slender schooner]

How much health is that for you?

Also ty ❤️

[south zealot]

my guy had 49429 last time i looked at not even close

[lusty grotto]

2M

i dont have an exact number

[slender schooner]

That's perfectly fine, ty!

[lusty grotto]

cause i dont really care too much, my UI just says 2m

3M with last stand

LS is 30%

so probably around... 2.4M?

napkin math

[drifting dagger]

im 526 and at 2.4 mil standard

[lusty grotto]

yeah seems about right

2.4M x 1.3 = 3.12

[drifting dagger]

ya i think im like 3.1 3.2 with last stand

[merry sluice]

assuming you go enduring alacrity you can get like another 100k i think, if ur leaving that our of your build
(towards evielth) although the exact health gain will depend on your gear

[lusty grotto]

yeah well alacrity is perma'd for us

endurance training also increases stam

reinforced plates + focused vigor + enduring alacrity increase armor

endurance training + enduring alacrity increase stam

[merry sluice]

It might've been updated now, but not too long ago I remember one of the guides was either not showing it in the m+ spec, or the code to copy wasn't right, i don't remember which was the case.

So mentioned it just incase

[lusty grotto]

it got buffed

and battering ram got nerfed

so we swapped a talent point over

first pin

so about a month and a few days ago

[merry sluice]

Oh, no i agree with it being the goto now, i just dunno when the guides changed to reflect it

[lusty grotto]

oh nome and mwahi updated relatively quick

[south zealot]

like the day after it got changed

iirc

[lusty grotto]

[merry sluice]

hmm, idr where i saw it being shown wrong then

Maybe paladin has destroyed more of my braincells tha i thought

i already forgot how to count above 5

[zealous goblet]

oh btw

anyone know how rend on tc works?

is it 5 random targets or 5 closest?

[lusty grotto]

whatever the tc hits

the real question is how TC works

[zealous goblet]

yeah but it only hits 5 enemies with rend

[lusty grotto]

not how rend works with TC

[zealous goblet]

oh

[south zealot]

its basically 5 random targets lol

[lusty grotto]

oh i see what youre saying

yeah

its pretty random

[zealous goblet]

it's not turbo important or anything, i just wonder why my thunderclap cooldown isn't reset sometimes

if fervid is a chance or guaranteed

it's not causing any problems

[lusty grotto]

are you

target swapping randomly or something?

devastator applies deep wounds

you should always have a bleed on your current target by just auto attacks (devastator)

[zealous goblet]

not randomly, sometimes, like i said, it's not super common or anything

like i'll adjust who i'm targetting to prepare an interrupt, like on warscourges in bracken

[lusty grotto]

focus target kicks

[zealous goblet]

hmm

i'm looking at my details, and i'm unsure how to make sense of what my goal should be. is it safe to assume ideally as close to 1:1 for fervid to shield slam?

[lusty grotto]

i dont think it matters

thats levels of min maxing we usually dont care about

you cant micro manage your combat that way, its too much

[zealous goblet]

i got 370 thunderclaps, 340 shield slams

and 220 bites

[south zealot]

too many thunderclaps

[zealous goblet]

hm?

[south zealot]

do you need me to reword that

you are using thunderclap too many times compared to shield slam

[lusty grotto]

whats your SS CPM look like?

[zealous goblet]

no i get that i just mean i thought prio was thunderclap > shield slam in dungeons, and to reset thunderclap off the bites.
also avatar making thunderclap a ton faster

[pallid quiver]

Nope, prio is always SS over TC

[lusty grotto]

no

[zealous goblet]

i'll get back to you in a sec on that lemme read over some logs

[pallid quiver]

The only potential time it would ever change is specifically to send an outburst on a TC in mass AOE if you specifically are looking for only damage. And by mass, I mean mass; more than 8 mobs

[zealous goblet]

huh, my friend told me to prio thunderclap first for snap aoe threat in an aoe

[lusty grotto]

your friend

not us

[zealous goblet]

yeah i get that

[lusty grotto]

who plays prot warrior, does he?

[pallid quiver]

i mean that's for getting threat in the first place, which is different than standard rotation

Like, you also don't need to do that if you toss a ravager into the pack, either, since that will get the aoe threat for you

[lusty grotto]

pro tip: stop listening to your friend, especially when you can ask us here

[pallid quiver]

Once you get to actual rotation, SS is prio since TC has a chance to reset SS

which means you get more rage to cycle your damage and survival

[zealous goblet]

oops, guess i've been inverted this entire time and using shield slam to reset thunderclap

[pallid quiver]

To be fair, from the sound of it, it sounds like the wrong thing was just taken from the advice, since using TC to help get aggro at the start of a pull is reasonable, since you're not actually aiming for your rotation there

[lusty grotto]

i mean

using SS to reset TC is not the goal

let me re-word that

your goal shouldn't be to press TC

your goal is to spread bleeds to Slam

and to reset SS itself

you do that by TCing

but thats still WAYYYY too many TCs

[zealous goblet]

but doesn't this make fervid proc slower? hang on let me mentally grasp
tc > ss (consume) then i would want to invert the order back to ss > tc?

[lusty grotto]

SS > TC > Revenge/Execute

im pretty sure i said that when you were a leaf in here

[zealous goblet]

ok, a revenge

[lusty grotto]

this is a priority

SS over everything

no ss? hit tc

no SS or TC? hit revenge or execute

[pallid quiver]

Fervid just procs off rage spending; SS does more damage sending instantly over try to instantly reapply rend, since you can just

apply rend the next GCD

[lusty grotto]

fervid will proc faster

cause you will generate more rage

[pallid quiver]

So it's not worth tracking fervid at all and just send the usual rotation

[lusty grotto]

yea

[pallid quiver]

The bleeds will be up and blast when they're up; everything will handle itself

[lusty grotto]

thats what i told him earlier

[zealous goblet]

yeah, sorry, i'm drawing from several pools here of knowledge and i'm figuring out a lot of it by myself, i usually come here when i have problems and conflicting information and need a more indepth answer and the reasoning. so i can confidently refute the information the others give me.

i run keys with them, and they have like 3k i.o, but they don't play prot warrior, but i also don't know enough to just tell them "no"

not yet anyways

[lusty grotto]

having 3k io means nothing

[zealous goblet]

lemme reread this stuff you said to absorb it

[pallid quiver]

I can't confidently say anything that they're saying is necessarily wrong, since I'm only hearing it second hand from you, but the basic idea is "Get threat, do rotation"

There's no need to optimize or think hard with the class' current iteration

[lusty grotto]

the tier plays for itself

[pallid quiver]

It's so tightly built that you just do rotation, send CDs, and manage shield block

[lusty grotto]

0 reason to look so deeply into it

[zealous goblet]

OH i literally misread tier i'm fucking dumb

[lusty grotto]

tier set?

[zealous goblet]

i didn't know just spending rage caused fervid

[pallid quiver]

had a feeling

[lusty grotto]

IP causes fervid with a higher chance

[zealous goblet]

i like, merged the two paragraphs together and thought shield slam consumed a bleed and inflicted fervid

[pallid quiver]

To be specific, specific abilities have specific chances to proc fervid, those being Revenge, Execute, Shield Block, and IP

[lusty grotto]

so we literally do the same prio that we recommend and thats it

[pallid quiver]

and those abilities have specific chances to activate, with IP being like a 90% chance

so

if you just do your rotation and properly dump with IP, everything gets solved

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry, edited for clarity

[zealous goblet]

i was mainly wondering about this too! i saw % proc chances thrown around but was confused

[pallid quiver]

Prot War is among the simplest tanks to play on a design level as a result; it's just pressing buttons fast

The other buttons are like a 15% chance or something i dunno

Small compared to IP

[lusty grotto]

and probably because the other buttons are full gcds

whereas IP is off-gcd

i mean aside from SB i guess

[zealous goblet]

speaking of % proc chances, another thing i'm interested about, but know it doesn't change much is by not using fyrakk's, how much uptime am i losing on filial duty's absorb proc?
does it grant a chance for each enemy hit by the 3k~ fire damage tick every 3 seconds, or only once per fire damage tick once it happens?

[pallid quiver]

Also, Whirlwind has no chance to proc Fervid, iirc, so for the whirlwind believers

they're losing even more defensive and offensive power

[lusty grotto]

nothing to be concerned about since you should have Head Enchant and Gholak

which both proc

[zealous goblet]

for sure, i was just wondering about the math behind it

[pallid quiver]

0 from all the other sources, iirc;

like just the shadowflame embels should keep the rings procing about as much as they can

[zealous goblet]

oh wow!

[pallid quiver]

Then there's Gholak and helm

[lusty grotto]

duty is 2 ppm

[merry sluice]

and embellish options

[lusty grotto]

there's absolutely no gain by adding more fire procs

[pallid quiver]

I know that we didn't ever consider anything about how often we could proc rings in S1 when we had even less options than now, so

[lusty grotto]

you can simply use it by having just 1

and it will do its job

well we had

unstable frostfire belt for it

and that was about it

well i suppose some people went ruby

but yeah Luerce is correct

at max we had 2 fire procs, at min we had just 1

nothing more

so we have way more than enough right now

[drifting dagger]

damn... started sending IP's and holy crap prot warrior unlocked

in my AA 450 ish SS 400 TC's the rotation is soooo fluid when u start sending IP's lol

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[drifting dagger]

i do love my zoom zoom nature of my VDH but man prot is pretty fun

[blazing condor]

nothing better than carpal tunnel in the morning

[unkempt hazel]

I now have 3 gem things

[drifting dagger]

Legit might spend my 2 billions on 528 crit haste shield lol

I suppose I could just crest one at 525 tho

[blazing condor]

thats a lot of gold for a shield

[unkempt hazel]

might get a shield myself

or maybe duty ring

[drifting dagger]

What do u mean a lot of gold 4 shield

[blazing condor]

im just meming

cus u said 2 billion instead of bullion

[drifting dagger]

Oh hah

Thx didn’t notice

If I snag the crit haste one I’ll
Be chillin at like 47 crit and 56 haste

[steep condor]

can prophetic sstonescales trinekt drop in vault?

are people still opening vault as arms?

is leech so good that i should take this from vault? I was going to craft a shield. My other option from vault is bromach's neck. My current shield and neck are both bad.

[pallid quiver]

Well, the actual benefit to that shield is that it's a mythic track shield

That makes it better than being a crafted shield, since it can hit the highest ilvl possible, which is the most important metric for a shield

Since ilvl is the only way to get block value from gear

Tertiaries aren't worth any amount of ilvl or even secondary stats, as a heads up, though

So your decision should be made on that fact that it can be a 528 shield instead of a 525 crafted shield

[steep condor]

3 extra ilvl i worth more than the stats? that's good to know. Thanks!

i'll craft a neck and take the shield 🙂 I honestly didn't realise 3 ilvl makes a noticeable difference.

[jagged pier]

block is worth more than anything

[steep condor]

awesome. Very glad i asked now.

[violet ginkgo]

not about the leech, that is 528 shield just take it

leech is just a nice bonus

[round pendant]

What's the current limit on bullions?

[jagged pier]

1 a week + 4 extra if u done the quest

if u dont do the quest u have missed those 4 extra

[strong forum]

Should be 9(?) bullions from drops

And +2/4 from quests

[earnest cove]

If you do Quest before the drop you will have less

[strong forum]

No

[earnest cove]

I miss some on my alt because i did that

[pallid quiver]

Considering I've done that on one of my chars and not had that happen, have you tried not tossing them in to the trash?

[earnest cove]

Yeah i tend to throw random stuff away

[nimble grail]

Hey guys, I played prot mm+ a lot in bfa and I want to get back to wow for TWW. Is prot war gonna be enough meta for doing HM raid ? Do we even have data yet ?

[jagged pier]

u can do the raid on any difficulty with any class or spec

[nimble grail]

Aight, any content/videos you would suggest for someone getting back to it ?

[jagged pier]

wowhead and icy vein guides

[nimble grail]

Okay

Basics

Ty

[radiant mortar]

[velvet knot]

Bullion suggestion this week? I don't have icon, or a awakened dreadplate. Or a grieftorch. Or a seal of chosen

[plush path]

hi, am i better off converting this into a tier set?

i have 5/5 set bonus already

but i figured haste + versa would be better as a tier set chestplate then crit + vers

[stable flower]

Question, unable to get a shield to drop. Any of the crafter shields better than the bullion ones?

[plush path]

if im correct the bullion one is the bis