Lmao
#protection
lusty grotto
everquest 1 players like me 
jk, im glad eq1 ditched that
but sometimes you gotta inspect some mogs
know what i mean?
ionic fern
merry sluice
well someone told me to thunderclap them in a key so idk about that xD
merry sluice
oh god i almost blocked out the MADNESS i've seen in ff14
Here's one i got last seasons. Its uh... more common than you'd think using the man'ari skin ontop of draenei lol
just gonna cover names to be on the safe side lol
💀
lusty grotto
hooly
blazing condor
wow ppl discover women models
violet ginkgo
well someone told me to thunderclap them in a key so idk about that xD
Clap em cheeks nicely
violet ginkgo
well not harassment, cringe whispers
I think I got the nicest whisper last week on tyran after doing my usual +8, it was on AV. He said "Nice tanking I don't even have to heal you."
But oh well I mean this is AV we talking about we be like "Tank buster? what tank buster 
"
sick sentinel
I want to start tanking but I panic press my defenseives.
jagged pier
yer as prot u really shouldnt do that, we work to mitigate so u need to use your defensive's preemptively
strong forum
Here's one i got last seasons. Its uh... more common than you'd think using the ...
My shammy is peak
nova pelican
In Nokhud first pull with the patrol. Do we have anything we can use to group the longbow casters?
pallid quiver
just make sure to not cleave any eager DPS on the way or that might be an insta-dead key from a leaver
nova pelican
thought so, was getting flamed for not picking disrupting shout. Thanks!
pallid quiver
The only flaming would come from people who think it's a blanket silence, because people continue to treat it as such
even though it's just actually an aoe interrupt
devout sierra
disrupting shout would work in the first boss area only on the Nokhud Lancemaster if you do a double pull and have the two Nokhud Lancemaster cast their Disruptive Shout at the same time. That is the only thing that disrupting shout would work on
strong forum
Yeah and that's highly useless
To complain as a pug about the tank not having it there
blazing condor
ppl dont know shit about shit
tbvh
most ppl dont know shit about their OWN specs
radiant mortar
My shammy is peak
looks good indeed
enhancer looks great in tww too
all the dogs you summon
devout sierra
when the double pull is done, it's great to use, i have been running it on my prot warrior cuz I have been getting a lot of pugs not kicking BUT if a Prot warrior doesn't take disrupting shout it's not the end all be all. the Nokhud Longbos isn't that hard to deal with, hard CC (if cleave isn't being done), and move out of the brown swirls.
its too easy, yes on fort they hit harder but still
Maxed out his stacks at 255 (2,550% more damage from Boulderfist (57mins)
earnest cove
Revenge macro in disguise
devout sierra
wait you don't whirlwind to win XD. Have you not tried to use it with different one-handers. the newer sounds so cool even more so with maces. It also can give you a free proc on shield
strong forum
WW cannot proc anything
It's strictly worse than revenge
Costs more rage, does less dmg per rage and cannot reset shield slam or does apply deep wounds
devout sierra
well i dont know to tell you, i use it and get free procs of shield slam XD
wooden otter
💀💀
devout sierra
I use Whirlwind and I don't care. if there are 5 targets that aren't stacked and cant be hit in a "Arc" from Revenge when why not. Also, don't forget Thunderclap will give you free procs as well XD, I was wrong with WW, its Revenge, and Execute that I was thinking of my bad
strong forum
You can play however you want to!
It's a game after all
Just know that it is counter-productive to use whirlwind 
strong forum
Revenge replaces slam
unkempt hazel
ah damn
strong forum
😔
jagged pier
because WW is 360
unkempt hazel
unplayable
jagged pier
slam is only infront
blazing condor
its an arc
unkempt hazel
ok, where rend love
blazing condor
unkempt hazel
devout sierra
wide arc, not behind you XD
violet ginkgo
he want to back tank the adds Jakey
strong forum
Bigger number better human
radiant mortar
jagged pier
he want to back tank the adds Jakey
ah yes u get bigger healing number then
cause u take more damage
jagged pier
big number better player as nome said
devout sierra
well if shit happends in a key where adds/trash can com from any path or from butt pulls you never know
strong forum
Keyboard can only turn so fast
jagged pier
unkempt hazel
did u know u can increase keyboard turn speed
devout sierra
wait you use keyboards?
unkempt hazel
radiant mortar
who turns with his keyboard?
devout sierra
and not your mouse
strong forum
radiant mortar
only ww users turn with their keyboard
unkempt hazel
I used speech to text personally
strong forum
Jokes aside, no I don't turn with the keyboard
unkempt hazel
or w/e its called
jagged pier
jokes aside when i find a someone who does in pvp or world pvp i laugh as i run around as they try and hit me
devout sierra
Keyboard can only turn so fast
if you are turning around to pick up adds what not, doesnt that mean the current mobs you are fighting going to hit you in the back now??
jagged pier
if i seem them in pve i feel bad
unkempt hazel
jokes aside when i find a someone who does in pvp or world pvp i laugh as i run ...
menace
actually bullying
(deserved)
jagged pier
i used to be one so its fine
strong forum
if you are turning around to pick up adds what not, doesnt that mean the current...
No, I Strafe
devout sierra
just asking XD
strong forum
Strafing is your friend
devout sierra
but strafe doesn't make you turn around?
unkempt hazel
backpedal
jagged pier
thats why u have a mouse
strong forum
You can Strafe at varying angles
You can also jump Strafe
And "jump backwards" at full speed
Without being hit in the back
And still going maximum travelspeed
devout sierra
backpedal <a:chatting:1036769769543704576>
if you backpedal some still will hit you in the back until you go far enough just a fyi
unkempt hazel
if you backpedal some still will hit you in the back until you go far enough jus...
just backpedal in the right direction
devout sierra
Strafe + moving the camera angle does make you turn around to a degree
strong forum
Correct
devout sierra
sooo
devout sierra
then there is a still a chance some mobs will still hit you in the back XD
strong forum
And not >181°
And you won't be hit in the back
Also you can turn back mid jump
To make sure you're facing the enemy
MLG style
devout sierra
when i tank most of the time i put my back to the wall and move my camera around to get mobs with TT
strong forum
So you Strafe -> jump -> turn mid jump towards enemy -> turn back to strafing before you land -> Strafe jump -> turn towards enemy again
devout sierra
i do top down front to back
unkempt hazel
firstperson ftw
devout sierra
depending on the area
strong forum
Sometimes I do first person in AV
devout sierra
sometimes in a small area top down isnt good
strong forum
On the 2nd shriek pull
unkempt hazel
unkempt hazel
I see ppl do it so rarely I thought its not a popular path
devout sierra
i mean with the only skips you can do with some pugs or group its best to just skip them and just clear the dungeon
fringe oyster
Ran my first 9 yesterday . I’m 510 and I didn’t feel squishy at all . Thank you guys for all the advice it’s paid off big time .
devout sierra
Yeah doing +8 to +10s around ilvl 510 to 512 and not feeling squishy feels really good. Keep pushing at it and you can knock out +10s and higher
fringe oyster
I think my guild wants to try an 11 tonight . Guess we’ll see how that goes lol
devout sierra
I think my guild wants to try an 11 tonight . Guess we’ll see how that goes lol
do you have any defensive trinkets and do you stance dance?
fringe oyster
For trinkets I’m running all-totem and rumbling ruby . I have both rings that have the absorb and damage on fire damage
I should probably get cataclysmic brand
Or troll and get a grief torch lol
violet ginkgo
Signet brand not really recommended for M+
unless you can really chain pull and your teammate stay alive all time.
hardy snow
dreadplates is cool trinket for M+
fringe oyster
I do a mix of raids and m plus , and yeah I gotta replace rumbling ruby but I used my bullions this week to grab a shield finally .
Dungeon event is next week hopefully they give us 2 bullions again
violet ginkgo
O no.... why shield
fringe oyster
Bad RnG , I already have the 2 rings , a trinket , a neck
And gholak of course
So now it’s just about rounding out my weak spots
violet ginkgo
neck? hold... you buy the volcoros neck?
devout sierra
For trinkets I’m running all-totem and rumbling ruby . I have both rings that h...
Okay keep in mind, if it's the same across the board, which I think it is. in a +9 ememies deal 114% more damage and in a +11 ememies deal 159% more damage. That 45% is noticeable with some mobs
fringe oyster
Yeah that’s noticeable I’m sure . Thank god for shockwave lol
fringe oyster
neck? hold... you buy the volcoros neck?
I have that from raiding and I have magmaroxs collar
devout sierra
and what +11 key you are looking like
jagged pier
neck? hold... you buy the volcoros neck?
not really just is just bis if u have bis everywhere its not something u actively try and get
the cantrip does nothing
fringe oyster
and what +11 key you are looking like
I think AA
violet ginkgo
I have that from raiding and I have magmaroxs collar
oh well if you just get from raiding OK, but if you actually buy...wow that will be bad.
violet ginkgo
not really just is just bis if u have bis everywhere its not something u activel...
oh I was asking if he is actually buying it, because that will be welp... kind of bad buy.
jagged pier
ye just craft neck
fringe oyster
Nah I bought the gholak first ,then both rings , then the first trinket which i use for m plus and raid , and next will be another trinket
violet ginkgo
Bad RnG , I already have the 2 rings , a trinket , a neck
I honestly won't grab a bullion shield yet, maybe 1 more trinket will be good for you, but oh well next week we will get 2 bullion quest anyway.
devout sierra
i dont have gholak on my warrior, i have forgestorm tho
violet ginkgo
backtank + forgestorm jakey
jagged pier
he can play what he likes
fringe oyster
Idk all I know is I feel great tanking higher keys and I guess I let the fact that warrior was considered “bad” for m plus scare me .
But now I feel confident lol
devout sierra
no one said i was back tanking that was just someone assuming
jagged pier
Idk all I know is I feel great tanking higher keys and I guess I let the fact th...
its not bad its fine
devout sierra
i mean when you get a myth slot in the GV might as well take it
devout sierra
jagged pier
well not really because its far worse than ghloaks
fringe oyster
Look sexy to me
devout sierra
so it doing 16m isnt bad
jagged pier
like a normal ghloks is better than that
devout sierra
i mean you take what you get when you are filling other slots XD
jagged pier
yer but my point is ghloaks if your main prot
is and has always been first buy
doesnt matter what else u got low or trying to fill
devout sierra
i mean if you are main prot but also doing Fury and arms to play with the group sorry lego upgrade was #1
then got that out of the GV
then got the two rings
violet ginkgo
I bought leggo upgrade and bought gholak bullion too.
devout sierra
so as i see it Myth 528 Forgestorm is better than nothing XD
jagged pier
sure but by now u must have spare purchases
fringe oyster
I still haven’t gotten the Lego to drop for my warrior either I’m convinced I won’t get it by the time tww comes out lmao
jagged pier
i have like 2
violet ginkgo
if you don't get leggo drop don't be too much stressed about it yeah, TWW almost coming anyway.
devout sierra
i got Pocket Abvil so nope
jagged pier
i guess i got luck and got good hc trinkets
fringe oyster
To pair with all-totem do I got cataclysmic or dread plates or something more defensive?
jagged pier
dread plates
violet ginkgo
If you must pick then dreadplate, don't underestimate anvil though it's nice for M+
fringe oyster
Yeah I mean I’m In a weird spot where I’m sometimes asked to tank raid and other times asked to dps depending on who shows up lmao
devout sierra
To pair with all-totem do I got cataclysmic or dread plates or something more de...
Having something defensive is really nice to have (not saying buy it, before someone jumps down my throat). I say that more so if you are a lowe ilvl pushing higher keys that extra defensive really helps
jagged pier
thats why u get plates because it is both
fringe oyster
Ah yeah . I’m 511 now
hardy snow
jsut as Jakey said - plates is both, but not only its both def and off, its also really good in both of these
fringe oyster
I’m only using a random rumbling ruby because it dropped and no one needed it lol
devout sierra
I was running Threemouth's Festering Splinter at hero for a while and it helped a lot when running with the group push keys. healer was a little under geared and under skilled
devout sierra
... i know
jagged pier
so u have to use correctly
devout sierra
so u have to use correctly
did you not read what i put up to "(not saying buy it, before someone jumps down my throat)."
jagged pier
yer but he talking about what to buy next no?
devout sierra
what i am saying is some extra defensive really helps
jagged pier
and plates is a defensive option
devout sierra
I’m 200 points from ksm
yee
jagged pier
so your just ignoring what im writing
fringe oyster
I have a few 2s on fort and tyran
violet ginkgo
Gem what is your dps spec? Arms or Fury or both?
devout sierra
so your just ignoring what im writing
I was telling him what I was using then, and telling him extra defensive really helps when pushing higher keys at lower ilvl. was not discrediting the usage of Enduring Dreadplate. not sure why you have it out for what I am saying
devout sierra
And I’m actually missing an AA on fort lol
yeah if you run that +11
and time it you are all goood
that is a lot of points there
violet ginkgo
Arms usually
Ahhh then anvil won't be that bad for you since you spamming mortal strike, could be a buy option if you don't get the heroic version
devout sierra
what is your AA on Tyrannical
fringe oyster
4
fringe oyster
Sweet
rain yew
If you must pick then dreadplate, don't underestimate anvil though it's nice for...
Anvil is great for prot warrior because you can keep the stacks rolling with leap and charge.
violet ginkgo
That's what I am saying to him...
rain yew
I'd definitely take it over dread plates @fringe oyster
rain yew
That's what I am saying to him...
Just seconding your statement.
violet ginkgo
ah I see
well even if you can't leap and charge you still have chance to "reset" the timer. thus keeping the stacks
rain yew
I just find it helps you reduce the time you're out of combat. And therefore reduces the risk of your stacks from falling off.
Just gotta make sure to bind it to something like shield slam.
heady hedge
So much Anvil talk! I use 535 rageheart and a 522 stonescales. Seems to work well for me.
merry sluice
Lots of competitive trinkets this season
But the bigger thing is that if you aren't pushing keys where your survival is a genuine concern, then more DPS = shorter fights = less damage taken too
urban portal
tbf 1 throughput trinket on a tank will decrease combat time by 2-3 seconds per pack
nocturne vine
So much Anvil talk! I use 535 rageheart and a 522 stonescales. Seems to work w...
535 rageheart and 522 festering splinter
Approaching 14/15 dont want to look cocky in pug with anvil 😝😝
violet ginkgo
so much rageheart eh
jagged pier
i mean its okay
but its not as good at plates on big pulls
and not as good as splinter on big hits
well probably about the same as that one
but it also doesnt give u strength
yer looses a bit there
but if ppl want to play it they can play it
median tulip
Does anyone know what the location IDs of this season's dungeons are?
urban portal
just pick whatever
zealous goblet
out of curiosity, i thought ilvl>everything, but rageheart has fallen out of favor. is it close to being a core trinket or is it that undesirable?
rageheart caps at like, 535?
zealous goblet
oh
strong forum
trinkets you get for the effects
zealous goblet
must've glanced over that or something
strong forum
armor you get for the stats
a good trinket at 511 is better than a dogshit trinket at 535
zealous goblet
i bought rageheart because i was brand new and my friend looked at a guide and told me to get it
we huffing the best copium known to man
strong forum
strong forum
depends how much crit you have
strong forum
that with or without the flask active
id equip the tierset shoulders and stick with the crit boots
plush path
i only started about a month ago, do you mean like potions from alchemy as flask?
plush path
no i dont use any of that
plush path
thank you
fickle tundra
a good trinket at 511 is better than a dogshit trinket at 535
so for someone w/o dreadplates, even going into normal makes a bit of sense uh?
fickle tundra
queues into normal kazz
plush path
is dreadplate that good
strong forum
its really powerful vs frequent dmg events
aka big pulls
its not that strong on singular large hits, but there arent really any relevant ones
violet ginkgo
its not that strong on singular large hits, but there arent really any relevant ...
Oh so even if the boss got big hitbox doesn't really matter? only hit one per ray?
plush path
one more question then, do you think i should replace any of my 2 current trinkets with this hero dreadplate?
dusky canopy
Rageheart
violet ginkgo
bye2 rageheart for sure
plush path
dam why not treemouth?
dusky canopy
Treemouth better
plush path
isnt it worse bc it deals 500k dmg and rageheart deal dmg?
violet ginkgo
I know it's quite rare that you use 2 defensive options (although dread is offensive too) but if you are just doing homework better get dreadplate plus some real offensive like anvil/grieftorch
zealous goblet
hey i actually have a question i'd like to ask. i know barbaric training isn't great because revenge is dead last in the rotation, and used to fish for shield slam resets usually, and it makes rage management a bit tricky, but does the free revenge not make it considerable?
on that same note, does parry roll before block? or can i not parry/dodge after i pop shield block because i have a 100% block rate and get less free revenges?
violet ginkgo
you can parry while blocking for sure
strong forum
Oh so even if the boss got big hitbox doesn't really matter? only hit one per ra...
1 hit per ray, but you can drag the mob through a beam again later on if you can move the mob alot
the rays are capped at 5 hits per ray
sometimes you can double hit a boss
dusky canopy
isnt it worse bc it deals 500k dmg and rageheart deal dmg?
Absorb is smaller, and total damage taken from use is larger, also no mainstat
strong forum
one more question then, do you think i should replace any of my 2 current trinke...
if you wanna go for damage output you play dreadplate + rageheart
if you wanna go for being max tanky, you play treemouth + dreadplate
probably
that being said, treemouth can kill you
so using it at 10% HP means it wont save you and instead kill you
dusky canopy
Gotta use them buttons ahead of time
strong forum
rageheart can also kill you if the absorb gets fully consumed instantly
but uh
most of the time the absorb is just gonna run out instead (if you play well)
plush path
so for full tankiness a myth treemouth + hero dreadplate is better then myth treemouth + awakened rageheart
strong forum
youre splitting hairs at that point
its hard to quantify
dreadplates is vastly stronger vs big pulls
rageheart is stronger vs shit that will 1shot you
treemouth will coast you over bigger DTPS (dmg taken per second) for longer than rageheart will but doesnt do any dmg
so you gotta make your own choice
plush path
shits tuff
fickle tundra
*queues into normal kazz*
that's what I call customer service.
strong forum
ez clap
strong forum
ive seen it drop every single aberrus run
jagged pier
blazing condor
merry sluice
lmfao
just watched 2 people die a total of 5 times to the tornado on the sntry before crawth
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
if you wanna go for being max tanky, you play treemouth + dreadplate
fun read for you by saying that btw
was kinda wondering how come io checks havent been a thing for a while, probably cause we're not meta
oh sorry i meant this one #protection message
one of those
zealous goblet
hey, my demon hunter friend rips off of me when he pops cds on a big pull, not all at once, but slowly, is this an issue of me not syncing my thunderous roars and stuff with his cds, or should i be able to hold threat without my 1.5 min cds?
dusky canopy
Should be able to hold threat without your cooldowns
blazing condor
unless you're playing poorly you shouldnt have aggro problems. But that assumes that your dps don't pop all their CDs the first 1 second of the fight while youre grouping or whatever
if you got a heavy burst class that can pop quickly you might struggle a little at the start of a pull
but thats on them
violet ginkgo
hey, my demon hunter friend rips off of me when he pops cds on a big pull, not a...
at least my own rule if I happen to be DPS is wait about 2-3 secs after tank stop, when on puls I just usually stackup rage by whirwind and throw a few raging blows, nothing major. Then when tank stop count 1-2-3 then pop all the buffs and start dps ing.
zealous goblet
yeah that's exactly it, it's at the start of a pull, then i challenging shout to make sure, and when that expires i notice none of them rip off of me. but if i don't challenging shout or whatever they do rip at the start
violet ginkgo
that 1-2-3 count is giving tank time to pop their own offensive first and maintain aggro.
rose pier
are TWW ptr servers up ?
dusky canopy
I’ve always just charge>thunderclap and have aggro
Some times 1 mob might drop threat but not usually
If your dps are dumping their load on 4 mobs while you’re running to grab more that’s a them problem
lusty grotto
unless you're playing poorly you shouldnt have aggro problems. But that assumes ...
☝️ this
lusty grotto
yeah that's exactly it, it's at the start of a pull, then i challenging shout to...
then tell him
that by popping cds when the pull is happening he is losing dps in 2 ways:
- he pulls agro, dies = infinite dps lost
- he isnt doing damage to ALL the mobs that are supposed to be in the pull at the same time
popping cds on the very first mob you see is ALWAYS a dps loss
the pull has to be done first for your cds to have maximum efficiency
meaning everything has to be grouped/bunched up
lusty grotto
the reason big pulls are done is to make sure everything gets deleted at the same time, but if one mob gets deleted first and your meta runs out before the other 7, 9, or 15 mobs, youre losing so much overall dps and so much time in the whole key
it adds up
any dps that instantly pops cds and starts hammering on the first 3 mobs, is a dps that doesnt know how to play, period
is the tank stopped? ok time to pop cds, routes dont really factor too much
violet ginkgo
Unless you are hunter don't insta pop CD for the first 3 mobs. at least hunter can just misdirect and add aggro to tank.
lusty grotto
its still a dps loss if they do that
albeit its not as bad as any other dps due to misdirect (or tricks)
its as simple as... would you rather cleave 3 mobs or 15 mobs
with cds up
its totally ok to start building resource on pull
like SPs do
pallid quiver
Cleave no mobs, burst only the one. It's more personal that way
lusty grotto
and start to ramp up
violet ginkgo
I mean I don't know every dps but I sometimes wonder why not using the timing when tank pull to setup some things yourself, so when the tank finally stop you are ready to do things.
At least from fury perspective I prefer to build rage first so when tank stop Whirlwind's meat cleaver stack is ready so I just pop CDs and go rampage.
lusty grotto
yea
thats actually something you should do
like i mentioned just before you did
and building resources shouldnt pull threat on a pull
which is great
violet ginkgo
Do all classes need prep like warrior though? or there is a class who can just go without building?
lusty grotto
SPs need ramp up
merry sluice
Shadow priests can dot and fade while scurrying along
dusky canopy
Full rip single target into the highest health mob and die to aggro before any other mobs join the party
lusty grotto
fire... uhhh thats a bit more complex
violet ginkgo
Hunter I only know MM, but I mean even MM can just cast 1 multi shot to get the trickshot buff ready. So when tank stop can insta trueshot then rapid fire etc2.
lusty grotto
arcane does need ramp up, i think
i could be wrong
either way building up resources is kind of a tangent
once again ramping up usually doesnt mean popping cds
merry sluice
My favorite is when I’m running down the stairs in av, and some havoc pops meta starts dashing around like a psycho and full sending it
Same happens when pulling to chains in nelth I feel ;/
lusty grotto
yeah well
you will see less of those in higher keys
you will still see them, just in lesser numbers
the higher the key, the less dps that pop cds instantly on the first pack of a pull
and if they do, you know that key is very likely to be a deplete
violet ginkgo
My favorite is when I’m running down the stairs in av, and some havoc pops meta ...
you mean the frog stairs?
merry sluice
It is less common the higher I push, but I was focusing on pushing my main up first
Now my attention’s on my warrior and it’s mid season as I’m starting the push on my warrior, so I get the really questionable players bc all the good ones are already up there, or doing vault level, or just done for the season
violet ginkgo
enemies in that stairs is too spread for sure, I mean dps definitely should wait till tank gather them all, I mean why would they start full sending with that spread.
proud silo
if people start attacking while kiting those pulls in av i am of the belief that they better keep running cause im not going back to save them
merry sluice
you mean the frog stairs?
Or any ‘longer’ pull where you don’t wanna plant immediately. That just seems to be the most common for me
lusty grotto
It is less common the higher I push, but I was focusing on pushing my main up fi...
yeah this happens every season
pushing early on is better to address this, but i CBA to rush into things
merry sluice
Yeah it was a lot better when I was pushing in my pally for those first few weeks
And I think the “don’t give a fuck” players like this are showing up even sooner than normal seasons bc it’s fated and the player count already feels miserably low for m+ lol
Also pally feels far easier to deal with the unga bunga full send it dps mentality bc avenger shield has to be the most brain off threat tool in the universe lmfao
lusty grotto
well specifically threat
if youre behind on ilvl
youre gonna have a bad time
weapon ilvl is huge
merry sluice
Oh I noticed when I was d like 30 ilvl behind my dps in 10s-12s. That’s gotten far better too now that I actually have ilvl on my warrior
Being under ilvl also wasn’t as bad on my pally, (stupid pally burst aside) bc at least all of us were under ilvl first week lol…
merry sluice
Yeah that’s what I was saying
merry sluice
I mean, I agree like, 95% I do feel pally’s burst + the extreme range on it lends itself a little better to dealing with impatient DPS.
Bc sometimes on my warrior I feel like I have to race Rets/havocs/WWs to packs like I’m hyped up in crack so I can get a global in before they send it. (Which I also know is just on the DPS for being dumb, typical pug setting shenanigans and it’s only some keys, but still feels worth mentioning)
But for the mooost part it’s felt better once I actually got up in ilvl
lusty grotto
radiant mortar
so any drama going in here? druid drama just ended and I need my fix
zealous goblet
so any drama going in here? druid drama just ended and I need my fix
druid drama?
explain
limpid ruin
No but I can start a disrupting shout conversation for you and see what happens
merry sluice
whats the disrupting shout debate
jagged pier
lets just not
radiant mortar
druid drama?
people shitting on each other over healer parses and build changes, who is in a higher wr guild etc. Was fun
is it about that Shout is bad and shouldn't be used
like why does it give us rage?
should just be a Def cd and not a builder right?
(am I doing it right?)
violet ginkgo
is it about that Shout is bad and shouldn't be used
As in the rallying shout? the warrior team CD?
radiant mortar
I was just throwing shouts out there to see what triggers the discussion for my entertainment
the real culprit is disruptive afaik
round pendant
Man..
510 paladin doing 80k dps while I'm doing 140k at 485ilvl
I fuckin hate cotanks who can't do damage
they lose aggro and say I taunted
pallid quiver
Get kicked from raid for not having aggro control, idiot, smh
DPS is for DPS to do
round pendant
Rather get kicked than play like a boomer
pallid quiver
Like we all know, 5k DPS on a DPS is worth more than 5k DPS on a tank
merry sluice
Man..
broooo dont get me started lol
i had two diff raid groups ina row where i was ripping aggro just from judgement on my paladin
it was so bad i talented out of crit wings and moment of glory just to see if that'd help until i could check logs
turns out my co-tank was whirlwind spamming and tanking in perma-def stance
round pendant
just tanked like 5 debuffs and cones from 2nd boss because other tank just doesn't know the mechanics ig?
merry sluice
one group told me to just 'afk' when im not active
as if that wont kill me on paladin since i dont get to refund any of my def cds lmfao
round pendant
I pressed thunder clap
literally that's all I pressed
stole aggro
dude's 25 ilvls higher than me HOW
merry sluice
the worst part is i was intentionally running rageheart in raid just to be lower dps while my co-tank was anvil+signet
merry sluice
I pressed thunder clap
i've come to realize a lot of tanks, especially in raid, don't care about their dmg and think their only metric is 'i lived'
which is jsut honestly really lazy and disappointing
I dont expect me cotank to be a pink-parsing god in mythic prog but i expect them to do the bare minimum
radiant mortar
tanks tank, healer heal DPS DPS
round pendant
I wouldn't play tank if I couldn't try to pump numbers too
radiant mortar
easy peasy
merry sluice
i mean, if both tanks even do medium dmg, that makes the fight so much faster, and can cover mistakes from other players that would make the fight unkillable, or painfully slow
besides how's it fun just semi-afking while tanking when half raid fights are just tank stand still lol
pallid quiver
but tank dps doesn't matter at all, cherry, there's no large scope issues of its also tied to their survivability or anything,m everyone knows dps do more dps than tanks, so their dps matters and tanks don't
merry sluice
but tank dps doesn't matter at all, cherry, there's no large scope issues of its...
so true
It'd be a crazy fever dream if warriors and paladin's like... refunded the cool down on their defensives by using their spenders
haha as if xD
radiant mortar
I'm clearly joking, but I think you are overestimating how much time you save
merry sluice
It’s not just s matter of time saved.
But the fact that if everyone role/every player makes a good faith effort to push their dps within reason, rather than be lazy and say “not my job lol”
The raid becomes drastically easier for everyone involved, and allows genuine mistakes to not weigh as heavily in the group as a whole
rose pier
when will the PTR be playable ?
strong forum
There won't be a PTR for 11.0
New expansions stuff is always locked behind alpha/beta
Only after the expansion launched will you get PTRs for said expansion
mellow bridge
ptr is for pre-patch stuff this time around
pallid quiver
I still haven't killed Sark on my main Warrior on Heroic because I end up solo pretty fast in P2
My Shaman ends up solo, too, but I've lucked into a kill once on that one
round pendant
I play dps and it's so fucking braindead and I go back to tank
and then wish I was playing dps
vicious cycle
fickle arch
Can I see reflected spells in warcraftlogs? I'm guessing not
pallid quiver
It's damage the mob did to itself
So you have to find the mob you reflected and then look for that
fickle arch
oh right, so, filter for a boss then damage done? rather than damage taken?
pallid quiver
You can look at the damage taken for the given mob you're looking at; you just can't look at your damage done
median tulip
ptsd triggering
Thankfully my guild is still running it. But I tried 4 times on my Priest Alt before I got a group that knew how to do it
median tulip
is grieftorch and signet next?
you can't block whilst channelling Grieftorch
round pendant
so
pallid quiver
That's the spirit
round pendant
grieftorch was my favourite item from s1
pallid quiver
It's mostly notable in M+ in that you can murder yourself if you shoot it haphazardly, but it doesn't sound like that's an issue for you
I'd recommend anvil over Signet, though
It does damage before full stacks, unlike Signet, and gives you more control over stacks than Signet
lusty grotto
is grieftorch and signet next?
dreadplates
unless you have the mythic version
dreadplates over all
pallid quiver
no they're not that good for raid
round pendant
I might get em anyway since it's a 30 ilvl upgrade and I wanna do m+ soon
pallid quiver
They're very good for M+, but the damage they deal in ST is pretty miniscule and you don't really need the defensive benefit in raid
round pendant
but they're bis for m+?
pallid quiver
You're usually looking at Anvil/Dreadplates for M+
pallid quiver
Either that or Anvil/Grief if you think defensive trinkets are for nerds
Yeah, the one that drops off Kazzara
round pendant
I care more about m+ so
iron pumice
Why do people run anvil? Don’t you lose stacks on combat drop just like signet brand and everyone said to not run that in m+ because keeping stacks is hard
lusty grotto
keeping stacks isnt hard
pallid quiver
Why do people run anvil? Don’t you lose stacks on combat drop just like signet b...
There's 15 seconds after combat drops before you lose stacks. On top of that, you can use Anvil out of combat to reset that duration, so you have almost 30 seconds if timed right out of combat to get into combat again. Add on things like chain pulling, which is often done to keep timer pace anyhow, and poking random critters on the way, and it ends up being not particularly difficult outside of forced RP stuff to maintain stacks
lusty grotto
of all mondays today is the worst one by far
15 BH, devoker says "tiny??" as i was starting the first pull and charging back to get threat by a trigger happy rdruid, i get them back, continue 1st pull, guy dies to pulling on the first warscourge, i get everything, doesnt lust, i ask "can you lust?" he says "can you hold agro?", leaves key
14 BH, everything goes well, SP messes up soothe, dies on last cage, hes going back, as he's opening the last cage, ret pug pally says "this isn't saving time", rdruid goes "gg" leaves group
timeable key btw
fuck mondays
merry sluice
unfortunately sums up my experiences so hard
median tulip
Devokers can be a right fucking issue
Their Mastery pretty much guarantees they overaggro
lusty grotto
that wasnt the issue
it wasnt a devoker issue
it was a player issue
guy literally thought, because i charged the 2 mobs making a beeline for the rdruid
that i had completed the pull
and went ham on them
the pull just wasnt done
corrected
???
3.3k devoker btw
median tulip
You can't expect DPS players to actually think, or understand what another class/role is doing
most of them can't even play their own class properly
lusty grotto
dead devoker
i mean shit i can upload a clip and youll see
the guy literally typed "tiny?" 30s in
waited until i taunted the 3rd pack of a 4 pack first pull
went ham on the sourge as seen here #protection message, that i had no agro on because i ranged pulled it
died
wtf lol discord doing embeds on its own links
median tulip
Oh I believe you
Although the ranged pull aggro issue is why I've gotten more and more into using the cleave throw talent
lusty grotto
you cant titanic throw that
you will pull hunters and hunters kill your group
titanic throw is hard banned for me
there were a perfectly 8 mobs to focus on
instead of the second to last pack
guy just wanted to rage
median tulip
I had one guy in a key I was healing rage because I "only" PI'd him 8 times in the dungeon
median tulip
Ugh, gods, it's Bursting next week
median tulip
Tyr Bursting is such a fucking annoying combo though
lusty grotto
well its annoying due to the fact that you need priests or a MW Monk yes
but if you have one of those, you just ignore it
median tulip
Ever since they nerfed Mass Dispel it's been fucking annoying as priest
everyone still acts like they can ignore the affix if there's a priest, and now MD has a 2m CD
lusty grotto
most pulls are around 2m
i mean, i play with an SP so
i have 0 problems with it
its push week for a reason
its obviously really bad if you dont have revival or mass
which should be addressed but blizzard is severely out of touch from M+
median tulip
Yeah, I noticed that from these new affixes they have coming
Season 1 TWW is going to be utter fucking cancer on a par with SL S1
lusty grotto
its so bad i was trying to convince myself to pop a preorder for once
and then i instantly said nah
median tulip
I did laugh at the screenshots of Afflocks melting themselves though
lusty grotto
aff just cant catch a break
median tulip
Presumably SPriest will be similarly affected
In theory it should apply to our bleeds too
lusty grotto
yea
median tulip
Which probably utterly fucks Arms as well
lusty grotto
https://twitter.com/EllesmereGaming/status/1800388106321023114 this tweet is also very good at something that's overlooked
Twitter
at pointing out*
south zealot
tanks could do incorp but in the vast majority of situations its super troll to do
but yeah
good tweet
jagged pier
yer but they said at the start of DF they didnt want the burden to be on tanks
so not all casts were cast on them
routes were easier
etc etc
now they just walked back on that
unkempt hazel
I mean are we surprised
jagged pier
guess we will see less tanks and healers in the game again
blazing condor
algeth is fun
unkempt hazel
and first pull feel gooder
drifting dagger
until u have a braindead ret or hunter that zurg's the 1st pull before things are grouped and aggro
drifting dagger
When I play fury I usually give it a solid 3 Mississippi and then send it
merry sluice
yer but they said at the start of DF they didnt want the burden to be on tanks
Except fun part being if an afflicted or incorp goes off, the tank absolutely suffers anyways
BDK with minus healing done? GG
Pally/warrior with minus haste? GG
When affixes like that were solvable by DPS. Tanks still felt severely punished when they failed anyways. So it just felt like it was out of our control, but we suffered nonetheless.
Which isn’t really that conducive with taking pressure off of tanks for the majority of players, imo.
If dps fail, ‘non-tank’ affixes it should primarily punish DPS if they fail too, or at least not feel like it’s a death sentence for tanks.
merry sluice
after that if they die they die
lmfao every algethar i warn them.
I've seen it work once lol
I think the last algethar i did on my paladin
the holy priest just ran up the stairs ahead of me, and just walked face first into the seocnd skitterfly patrol, a mile away from the rest of the dps
(+15 tyran btw)
Rather than take a brez, or release. He remained dead for like 20 seconds into the pull and hit us with the “social aggro??” Lmfao
unkempt hazel
strong forum
jagged pier
merry sluice
lol
merry sluice
4 14-16s in a row brick on the first boss, bc some ranged just kept standing in narnia for germinate
with one of them, the healer dying to the the swirly that spawns mr. healy-tree guy, the branch out.
merry sluice
my yday co-tanks in aberrus
pug raids?
yeah they can uh... be an experience
merry sluice
went into a pug heroic aberrus at the start of the week to spam catch up bullions on an alt.
Blood DK couldnt hold aggro to save his life
He was literally doing like 50-60k dps
unkempt hazel
if I wasn't a paladin in that run
rashok would be a wall
my bro did not bother taunting
merry sluice
at least the Blood DK actually taunted for the tank combo
but uh...
aggro was gone in 3 seconds lmfao. IDK why but everytime I pug into a raid and my cotank is a blood
its a shitshow lol
i dont pug raid often unless im target farming something, like gholak/rageheart last season, or bullions this season so i get a tiny gear up before actual mythic raid
Last season especially, the amount of BDKs i got on pug fyrakks that did healer DPS was wild.
merry sluice
which is ironic, bc why tf are they farming for their leggo if they cant even do healer dps
merry sluice
then on sark when he taunted he didnt bother walking out of the fire bombs
at least fyrakk didn't feel like I was pulling teeth tyring to pug it
Sark and ras are like, borderline banned pug fights for me lol
I value what little shreds remain of my sanity
unkempt hazel
unkempt hazel
I value what little shreds remain of my sanity
wdym, do u not enjoy having 2-3 ppl dead in the first 20 seconds 5 pulls in a row
do u not enjoy ppl b lining towards middle with the pushback bomb
and having 2 ppl spam ping at the edge
but they do not react in the slightest
do u not enjoy bombs being ignored
merry sluice
i made the mistake of giving a pug sark a try last week bc i was super behind on bullions, before remembering why i banned it season 2 lol
Infinite duressed towards the edge 3 times ina row when trying to move sark away from the bait-side while he was phasing, bc ofc person with duress had to stand directly ontop of me away from the marker. Miracle I was on my dh...
Then aforementioned BDK just never taunted off me in p2 so I had to run sark away with the tank aoe on me, and every melee dps running behind me yelling "me zug zug" and getting nuked for half their HP
somehow made it to p3, and the BDK finally taunt swaps, but pulls him a lightyear away from the hiding spots, and kept whipping the boss around so people got frontaled lol e.e
Decided to cut my losses lmfao
unkempt hazel
the worst offender is when u bother explaining shit
but its like ppl can't proccess the information they read
merry sluice
but when ur desperate to get into a pug raid as tank for some gear
Well...
u gotta take the only group up that's got a free slot, so u can't even look for the 'aotc only' groups e.e
unkempt hazel
smh
merry sluice
that probably doesn't help
...
You'd still out DPS the BDK i had in my last pug run though
unkempt hazel
I dont have that ok :(
jagged pier
dont shake your head just get one of those addons that links fake achieves
no one checks
unkempt hazel
LOL
jagged gust
unkempt hazel
ngl I have trust issues for groups that ask for achi but never check
like bro u should know that shit is fakable
did that in legion
like just get io addon, ezpz
merry sluice
or
apply for a group on an alt, everything linked on r.io
And get hit witht he "DO YOU KNOW THE FIGHTS?"
Brother if ur concerned with that check
waxen quarry
https://twitter.com/EllesmereGaming/status/1800388106321023114 this tweet is als...
INCORP EVERY ROLE AFFIX
WHAT THE FUCK IS CC
merry sluice
sweet summit
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/706474080315899957/1083347967496437760/...
NOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO THE LITTLE CAT
jagged pier
well it does say every role, not every class
u can tell from his name hes dps player dont expect too much
unkempt hazel
unkempt hazel
NOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO THE LITTLE CAT
waxen quarry
merry sluice
NOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO THE LITTLE CAT
it perfectly describe show the affixes make me feel
jagged pier
waxen quarry
thane has to be cracked for prot right
oblique garnet
NOOOO WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT TO THE LITTLE CAT
Wtf erga youre brown
jagged pier
brah he been gone for ages
sweet summit
nice to see you up to date late
soda keeps pestering me about asking you to unban him btw 
merry sluice
IM LEARNING ALL THE WARRIOR LORE
sweet summit
good luck on your loremaster journey 🫡
blazing condor
Wtf erga youre brown
Name checks out
oblique garnet
soda keeps pestering me about asking you to unban him btw <:clueless:10999225419...
Ngl i didnt even know he was banned
oblique garnet
nice to see you up to date late
I also dont have to be up to date im free
unkempt hazel
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
Now i can just shitpost with absolute confidence and people will believe me because my name is blue 8)
waxen quarry
Now i can just shitpost with absolute confidence and people will believe me beca...
ye thats what xan's been doing
oblique garnet
Im busy grinding irl 
oblique garnet
ye thats what xan's been doing <a:chatting:1036769769543704576>
@idle needle 🎤 care to defend against these allegations
sweet summit
I also dont have to be up to date im free
hell yeah love that for you
waxen quarry
oblique garnet
Currently drinking coffee and eating some blueberry pie while im getting paid 
sweet summit
hard to see someone else living your dream... i'd also like some blueberry pie..
waxen quarry
oblique garnet
hard to see someone else living your dream... i'd also like some blueberry pie..
I just made it today 
blazing condor
I got this flesh prison
sweet summit
I just made it today <:pepechef:662194986221305886>
ionic fern
Hello Erga. Are you prot main again?
jagged pier
it will literally play like BFA in dungeons in TWW
strong forum
erga alive?
sweet summit
Hello Erga. Are you prot main again?
nah, just saying hi :3
ionic fern
nah, just saying hi :3
Hi. 
rigid hull
is it confriemd we are getting another bullion quest
strong forum
Not confirmed
hardy snow
Not confirmed, but come on - does anyone expect Blizz to actually put some effort and work into changing reward in repeatable quest when they ignore DF for few months already?
lusty grotto
will be confirmed in about an hour
as soon as realms come up for us
so in 58 mins
jagged pier
tmmog
unkempt hazel
real
I figured I'd buy the cat on my pala alt, but then weeks later I suddenly felt like actually playing him
unkempt hazel
wait
unkempt hazel
HOW IS THAT A CAT JAKEY
jagged pier
im talking mount not cat
lusty grotto
oh thats just the neverending story worm dog
hardy snow
there is serpent dragon for doing raids on hc or something and there is slime cat to buy for bullions, same that was awarded in SL for doing raids on hc fated
jagged pier
it was normal in SLs
unkempt hazel
the question is... when will they fix its effects
when u ride it fast there's a weird "wind/speed" effect stuck above it
tribal wharf
bro thats crazy apparently delving is gunna replace pvp cuz pvp get self buff in the great vault
im gunna be curious to see how they balance what drops in the vault for the effort you put into doing delves
merry sluice
when u ride it fast there's a weird "wind/speed" effect stuck above it
that's annoyed me so fucking much lol
lusty grotto
bro thats crazy apparently delving is gunna replace pvp cuz pvp get self buff in...
pvp doesnt get a vault in TWW
they removed it
violet ginkgo
kk time to do 4 M+ then
undone beacon
gonna get so many xmogs this week
tribal wharf
i think at end of war within, war happens
big war
really big war, lots of fighting and dying
thats what SHOULD happen its like deathstar blowing up end of seies
game is WAR craft after all, don't TOTALLY agree with peace,
lusty grotto
havent heard that one before
rigid hull
poggers
stiff wagon
Does Parry nullify all damage or is it like block?
merry sluice
the war at the end of war within, is a war
a big war
within... within the war
stiff wagon
all damage = auto attacks
lusty grotto
Does Parry nullify all damage or is it like block?
yes
it nullyfies all parryable damage
left basalt
anvil vs signet brand as next buy - also mostly playing fury in raids. currently running aug/plates as prot
lusty grotto
its not limited to vanilla melee hits
anything that's blockable (not including spell block of course) is usually parryable
i think signet is better for fury?
im not sure
both are fine, signet is just harder to keep up
on keys as prot
merry sluice
i dont ever dps so take it with a grain of salt
but im pretty sure signet's also only preferable if ur raid fights are long
if ur doing heroic probably send anvil still
lusty grotto
but if you dont care about min maxing stacks, signet is an good pick
left basalt
but if you dont care about min maxing stacks, signet is an good pick
i kinda want signet for all the ST raid fights
lusty grotto
yeah both are 5 min fight trinkets
merry sluice
also yeah anvil is soo muche asier to upkeep in keys
left basalt
but yeah anvil is easier to keep up
i dont honestly care about pure min/max so ill probably just grab that
lusty grotto
thats fine
stiff wagon
How about All-Totem? Isn't that better than anvil and signet in Mythic +?
stiff wagon
Ah okay. gotcha. So anvil/signet still better.
lusty grotto
only if you can keep em up
stiff wagon
I will admit I don't always keep up my anvil .... lol
stiff wagon
Yeah I did notice that.
stiff wagon
But generally isn't defensive stuff better for tanks than the dps trinkets :/
stiff wagon
Lol yes. But what I meant was why do people go for anvil and not like fyrakk and enduring?
lusty grotto
because treemouth is farmable and better than fyrakk
why do they go them and not enduring? cause they are idiots
cause dreadplates is the superior prot trinket
fickle tundra
man I've been rocking that champion dreadplate and its so good in m+
lusty grotto
or they simply have no need for it, but they should have it by now
jagged pier
well tbf heart is different scenario to dreadplates
dreadplates u would use in big pulls
heart for big hits
but then why wouldnt u use treemouth for big hits and take the strength
🤷
stiff wagon
So I assume heart's dps side aint' that great compared to enduring
and treemouth's defensive is much better than heart's
lusty grotto
its garbage compared to dreadplates
steep condor
I need shattering throw for incorp but i don't know what talents to change to get it.
jagged pier
no its a healer job
lusty grotto
correct partial arbsorbs (treemouth) > full absorbs (rageheart)
stiff wagon
what does that mean? partial and full I was under the assumption that they are both full absorbs
is it partial becaus treemouth damages you?
lusty grotto
read the tooltip
fallow fern
got a Mythic - Vers/Mastery shield in vault... but also have bullions to spend on a shield so debating just going with tokens for sockets.. what you guys think? ..what shield are ppl favoring as BIS?
strong forum
buy shield, get 2 sockets
imo
unless you still have ACTUAL items to get
that isnt just a shield
fallow fern
not really for my main spec.. only other thing i dont have would be the legendary.. but i only dps for about 10 mins a week lol so almost not worth crafting
..so Calamity's or Verdant Matrix..? wowhead says matrix is bis.. but calamity actually sims a bit higher..
fallow fern
mmm poison
lusty grotto
i prefer calamity but thats just me
wouldn't recommend it to anyone else
we're lacking haste due to bullion ring so, just pick whichever you need the most
in fact
defender of the ancient is my pick over calamity cause it has slightly more haste
fallow fern
whats target for haste.. currently at 5968
lusty grotto
theres none
you cant get to the cap this season with bullion rings
so there's no stopping haste acquisition
it depends on what you need to keep SB up with ITF
fallow fern
details says my last key SB was up 74%.. probably me being lazy tho lol
fallow fern
like i said lazy
fallow fern
lazy.. but also better than me too
lusty grotto
i doubt that
just need to track SB better
there's not much skill in tracking SB duration
fallow fern
you use a WA or anything.. or just watching buff?
lusty grotto
a WA of course
fallow fern
what WA is it
lusty grotto
if there's only one WA you need as a prot war
and you dont want to get anything else
its an SB tracker
nothing else is as important as that
fallow fern
i have a "bar" for my ignore pain which i like
fallow fern
not really needed but intresting lol
lusty grotto
thats just cluttering with unneeded things
fallow fern
its small
lusty grotto
anyway i have my own SB WA that i created myself, but there's a bunch on Wago
plus most warrior WA sets have an SB tracker
if not all
waxen frigate
I have shield block, rage, health, and outburst on my prot weakauras
lusty grotto
is circle of ascended frost better than arcane loop? bc of the more haste
neither
get bullion rings