Thought it was underrated
#protection
civic kiln
merry sluice
yeah low keys are wonderful
lusty grotto
that wont happen with a treemouth, of course you also need to have basic mitigation up
merry sluice
IDR the exact lvl but was doing a vault slot nokhud earlier this week
and I got fucking flamed to hell and back for running out of melee on the wind boss
when i was spell reflecting with wa announcing spell reflect
fun times
civic kiln
I got to solo Magmatusk last week on an 8, it was pretty fun tbh
I never really had the chance to solo a boss
merry sluice
neltharus as a whole is wild in low keys lol.
civic kiln
It's my favorite, I run it constantly
merry sluice
man even in the mid teens people dont get to pull the boss out the lava
lusty grotto
dont worry
that doesnt stop in high keys
i had a molten core go off on a 17 last week, insta deplete on the first lust pull
i was like ???
civic kiln
Rip
lusty grotto
also did an 11 this week on my vdh, and the group just flat out couldnt kill that same pull
rsham pug went "that was a bad pull", me and ret pally pug go "that's the standard pull"
civic kiln
My guild used to have a "guild route" and a "pug route" lol
merry sluice
the pug magmatusk special are all non-tank scattering to the four winds of the globe, surrounding the boss in lava baits, then charging him off into narnia
civic kiln
The baits kill me so bad
lusty grotto
that will always happen
merry sluice
bonus points if they somehow ignore the corner you left them, and aim it as far to the entrance/exist a spossible
lusty grotto
i stopped worrying about it in s2 lol
civic kiln
By that I mean psychologically
lusty grotto
its so bad for dps uptime when they do it too
civic kiln
RLP too
lusty grotto
cause even if its a full caster group, they still gotta chug down and chase it
civic kiln
oof
lusty grotto
but welp, you cant fix bad baits
merry sluice
the best one
civic kiln
Let's just throw a meteor at a tree next to us
merry sluice
was me getting flamed in an algethar tyran last week by rando pug druid healer for not getting afflicted spawns. bc his brilliant self
did not notice i was a warrior until the first boss was dead
dont ask me
i dont know
lusty grotto
oh thats a special kind of stupid
civic kiln
Lol
violet ginkgo
HAHAHA that is the only time we got previlege "Not my problem"
civic kiln
Int it and see what happens
lusty grotto
should have told him you left your dispel scroll in remix
merry sluice
run it down mid mythic+ style
I joined the remix party too late, couldnt get past the intro bc it was bugged, lost interest in trying it again after
violet ginkgo
Incorp spawn? Not my problem.
Afflic spawn? Not my problem either.
merry sluice
dw
If u play a pally or DK tank, people will expect you to cast in the middle of 15 mobs to get the incorp
:>
lusty grotto
ngl but
civic kiln
At least your rage goes up right?
merry sluice
my favourite is panic healing afflicted with gift of the naaru ad it actually sometimes working
i dont reccomend it at all
but its hilarious when someone noticed the warrior actually get an afflicted spawn
civic kiln
yeah so I was about to say
merry sluice
i hate it here
lusty grotto
jesus christ blizzard is tone deaf to M+
civic kiln
Sanguine fort
merry sluice
no no
merry sluice
fortified reckless bolstering ;>
civic kiln
heavy repercussions
lusty grotto
lmao
tbf we're the best tank to deal with reckless
ignoring x armor doesnt affect us as much thanks to shield block
merry sluice
im less concerned about my survival
As I am random dmg on dps and watching them get nuked bc pugs are allergic to ever popping defensives
lusty grotto
now... iron fur, and shield of the righteous classes... LOL
violet ginkgo
now the combo will be Fortified + Focused and Raging.
Adds are 30% stronger, 30% haste and can't be CCed below HP threshold and in the pug there is no coordinated dispell.
and no coordinated interupt
civic kiln
die
merry sluice
i think the combo will be "omg almost eveyr affix week is anti fun now" lol
lusty grotto
i mean the caster haste one is pretty fucking broken
merry sluice
and, since there's less on-death affixes
you'll get the unfun ones like bolstering and sanguine more often 😄
merry sluice
ima be honest
not having to deal with crap affixes like bolstering or sanguine just to fill vault slots was chill af
violet ginkgo
Out of curiosity, what class can Dispell the raging?
lusty grotto
evokers, hunters, rogues, druids
evokers being the best
cause they have AOE soothe
violet ginkgo
Ok so if we don't have those classes in the party then.... bye2?
lusty grotto
i mean i guess?
civic kiln
I was about to sound like an idiot
violet ginkgo
assuming the Forti + Focused + Raging
lusty grotto
thats why raging fucking blows
but obviously it depends on the dungeon
whatever dungeon has the one stoppable cast, that you cant stop due to raging... thats the one to avoid
and mobs
just like now, but worse
hearty stump
Is there a defensive priority rotation you guys use? Like what goes out first, second, third. Ignoring spell block since that's situational
I presume demo into shield wall since they're have CDRs?
hearty stump
Situational I mean if the pack is heavy with casters.
Where as shield wall/demo is flat damage reduction
hearty stump
I mean not entirely without no casters but when there's a small amount of them
lusty grotto
and hoi first floor
hearty stump
I guess an example BRH first pull and RLP first pull
RLP is very heavy
And then BRH is kind of eh since earthbolts hit random people
Situational in that sense
lusty grotto
uhhh decay speakers hit you
mystics are random casts
anyway theres not really a set in stone thing
wall is usually the very first thing you want to burn since it has heavy CDR
with AM, Imprenetrable Wall etc
hearty stump
yeah
So that and Demo shout take priority then I guess
What about when you're gathering packs? Do you just IP/SB and pray?
hearty stump
Don't you get hit in the back here and there while you're gathering?
Yeah
That tends to happen sometimes..
lusty grotto
you shouldnt
use strafe
block/parry/dodges are 180 on your character
just strafe
or if you cant, just backpedal
hearty stump
Alright. I guess it makes sense why I felt I was getting hit in the back on pulls
lusty grotto
and adjust
the most important thing is to never overlap wall with spell block
you can certainly use D stance with both
and SR with both
since either 15s cd or no cd at all (aside from the stance dance mini cd)
hearty stump
I guess the only valid overlap would be with demo shout
Especially if it's going out on cd
lusty grotto
sure
there's some very minimal cases
where you wanna hold it for defensive purposes
also
never overlap a treemouth
into a wall
or into a spellblock
a treemouth is your third defensive
same goes for any other externals, including faceless ire
hearty stump
I'm using dreadplates so I guess it follows the same method
lusty grotto
nah dreadplates you just send
lusty grotto
whenever it'll do the most damage
i dont think you should count dreadplates as a big defensive cd
its good, but not that good
i guess you could, but
hearty stump
Really? Jakey and Nome mostly said to use dreadplates+ a damage focused trinket like signet
lusty grotto
thats what im saying
hearty stump
So I kind of count dreadplates as a defensive cd
lusty grotto
nah
hearty stump
but I guess that's not the best overall value out of it
lusty grotto
on a boss fight youre not gonna get a whole lotta damage from it anyway so i guess you could use it defensively
on fort packs you just send it
as early as possible so beams go brrr on the pack while they are still alive
hearty stump
It's not that big on bosses though is it? Since afaik most value from it comes when you're taking a lot of hits?
hearty stump
So dreadplates would go out before even shield wall?
lusty grotto
same time
youre not gonna live through a chargath fiery focus with just dreadplates
use it for damage
hearty stump
Is there sense in sending shield wall on a pack then when you have dreadplates? With IP running it's like you're immune to damage when it's active
hearty stump
yeah, on bosses sure
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter if you have wall or not
dreadplates activates all stacks on buff fade
so it does damage regardless
hearty stump
I'm more focusing on the defensive aspect of it alongside the offensive one. If I have dreadplates running and I'm barely taking damage, why would I send wall as well?
lusty grotto
because
its a damage trinket
and you want it to do damage
preferably, you want the beams to land while the mobs are alive
not when they are dead cause then = 0 damage
hearty stump
But the damage bit is after the aura runs out, while it's active, the defensive aspect of it is pretty big as well isn't it?
lusty grotto
hearty stump
100k off of every single hit that comes in after all of your damage mitigation
hearty stump
With it's change in 10.2.6 it is a VERY powerful defensive AND offensive trinket. Whenever the effect falls off regardless of how many plates are broken it now sends all its beams for a TON of damage. Especially on Prot Warrior due to it's damage mitigation, this trinket is basically a damage immunity for 15 straight seconds. Insanely good in Mythic+, in raid its really good vs dot damage but not as impactful versus large hits.
Where's the immunity comment coming from then?>
This is from the trinket description in wowhead
lusty grotto
thats a bit of an exageration
hearty stump
Ah wait. So it's 1M damage overall -AFTER- damage mitigation
Yeah, alright. Not full immunity but
lusty grotto
its good for large pulls
hearty stump
yeah
hearty stump
Gotcha
lusty grotto
i suppose the immunity comment heavily implies not high key level
because in anything sub 15, i guess that's true
either way the only thing that changes with key level + that trinket is whether you have to rip a wall or not
cause on anything lower you might not have to wall at all
but on higher you just send both, because there's no reason to hold the trinket for after wall fade, unless you know the mobs are gonna last long enough
hearty stump
I mean most of the time it does pop out when all mobs are still alive since it's just a 15 second timer
even if I'd send it after wall
hearty stump
If the only prerequisite is to have the pack live when it's going off then that's fairly simple to time it
most of the time
lusty grotto
yea
either way going off after deaths is my mistake most of the time, im ripping treemouth on big pulls so it puts the trinket cd on it
hearty stump
So you basically use treemouth as a defensive trinket and plates as on offensive one?
hearty stump
What do you alternate then?
lusty grotto
all totem, anvil, cheat, and those 2
hearty stump
what's the go to?
lusty grotto
treemouth + cheat on pushes where i know i might need help
16+
all totem + dreadplates or treemouth + dreadplates on keys i know the damage output and can reliably perform correctly
around 14-15
anvil/dreadplates, anvil/all totem, dreadplates/all totem on anything lower
depending if fort, or tyr, and/or dungeon
hearty stump
what about rageheart?
lusty grotto
no
like i mentioned earlier 100% shields usually get checked first vs damage
so they take the full unmitigated amount
and therefore last way less time than partial shields like treemouth or grannyth's
so i mean
if you do have a rageheart, i suppose that yes you could take treemouth's place
but a hero treemouth > bullion rageheart
hearty stump
So treemouth+cheat if you're basically aiming to push higher then
and dreadplates+heavy dps trinket if you're sub 15s
lusty grotto
all of this is not as simple as that
it depends on whether im confident on the key or not
like i wouldn't use treemouth + cheat on a +1 up key
on a +2 up maybe
hearty stump
so you mean jumping straight into a +18 from a 16?
lusty grotto
yeah
hearty stump
where you're unsure of what might hit much harder
lusty grotto
unless, i know im gonna be getting absolutely fucking railed
hearty stump
tyran crawth with no bleed dispel on a +18 or some such?
lusty grotto
and that bleed got nerfed from s1
hearty stump
that's illegal
lusty grotto
its the big hit that smarts now
hearty stump
So a +18 chargath would warrant a treemouth+scales
on tyarn
.. Considering there's only 2 pwars that did it
lol
but I see most wars using rageheart+cheat on the 17s for nelth
Over treemouth
any reason for that?
lusty grotto
hearty stump
Alright, that makes sense. It's like looking at MDI routes and replicating them in a +12
Kind of.
But I presume the top rated players will change them eventually
Unless you're critcake and just run around with essence sandglass because you can easily take a +4 key jump and still time the key as a pwar lmao
violet ginkgo
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1250245005319...
basically a lot of ppl doesn't know this discord exist, if they know this discord they won't buy rageheart week 1. I mean for me the week 1 buy is gholak.
grim pilot
So a +18 chargath would warrant a treemouth+scales
idk tho
strong forum
No, you just don't need it as much
It's 98k healing per second
Slap that into combination with leech, indomitable + passive heals from healer/aoe healing
And it's not rly noticeable
Most of it is gonna go into overhealing
strong forum
It has the most amount of haste from all the available myth track shields ye
So in that regard it is bis, but any 528 shield is bis, really
violet ginkgo
kk thx nome
rigid yew
Damn near every single melee dps I see is running Grieftorch and it mega slaps
timid jasper
Still trying to gear up for mythic is there a dungeon I can spam for 1hand upgrade my ilevel is doodoo lol will be in heroic
jagged pier
not really, because u want gholaks which u buy in the end so spamming a dungeon for a 1hander doesnt make sense
timid jasper
Oh I guess I need bullion for that?
jagged pier
yes
cerulean tusk
Few things beat that feeling when you get invited as a tank, another tank is in the group, and the other guy gets replaced
plush path
It has the most amount of haste from all the available myth track shields ye
so do you think it would be a worth upgrade to change get the verdant matrix beacon instead of this from bullions?
violet ginkgo
so do you think it would be a worth upgrade to change get the verdant matrix bea...
Yes
frosty mango
so do you think it would be a worth upgrade to change get the verdant matrix bea...
Imo this is gonna be really dependent on your other gear and what type of content you do
violet ginkgo
because bullion is 528
Doesn't really matter about content if shield go for 528 first
If there is a shield with 535 ilvl (there is none btw) but the stat 400 mastery and 200 versa, we will definitely take that first over haste shield 528.
plush path
why does shield ilvl matter so much
timid jasper
How do I go about getting awakened for bullions … pretty new to this whole end game shenanigan
frosty mango
What is the realistic difference between a 522 and a 528 shield in effective mitigation
I’m sure there’s math somewhere
I couldn’t find it but I’m sure it exists
pallid quiver
I believe K value kicks in, so
technically would depend on content you're doing
frosty mango
I guess what I’m really asking is assuming a key of a decent level and good play (high sb uptime, proper use of ip) let’s say a 15 key,would you or the healer notice a difference between a 522 and a 528
pallid quiver
It'd certainly help; that's like half a difficulty tier in terms of ilvl since that's usually like 15-ish ilvl, but Prot War doesn't take too much damage in the first place, so it'd be hard to actually notice even though it's doing a good bit more. It'd be more notable the bigger of pulls you do, since more melees to be blocked in a short time frame
small bone
If one geared solely based on wowhead gear guide, would they be in a good or bad spot for tanking high keys?
pallid quiver
Considering Nome hits high keys, is the writer of the guide, and gears similarly to that
you'd be fine if you pressed your buttons
The only gear that actively matters in decision making are weapon, trinkets, rings, and embels; the rest don't have any special effects to influence decisions and are just ilvl+stats
small bone
I just have had some warriors in keys shit on wowhead guides
pallid quiver
The writer did chance from Llarold to Nome, so they could be talking about the old guides and never cared to look at the new stuff because bias.
or they think they're super smort genus
small bone
I felt like I tanked fine, but I was just getting heat from warrior dps that said they could tank better.
violet ginkgo
then answer them "why don't you tank instead?"
pallid quiver
Well, tell them to tank, then. If you want an analysis of how you played, you could also post a log/vod here for review
My kneejerk is that they wanted you to pull bigger so they could flex more number,
but they also weren't gonna enable those bigger pulls
small bone
I know that can't pull like MDI tanks cause I'm not like them. I do my best with the gear I have.
pallid quiver
You can't pull like MDI tanks because DPS and Heals fucking hate helping control mobs
Absolutely despise it
small bone
I have run into so many pugs that want me to do everything. I have a lot of interrupts and stops, but there's some things even I can't do
pallid quiver
I even talked to a healer recently who thinks it shouldn't be his job to interrupt anything since that's too high of expectations when he already has to put all this effort into checks notes pressing his healing CDs
small bone
I even talked to a healer recently who thinks it shouldn't be his job to interru...
What in the fuck?!
violet ginkgo
You can't pull like MDI tanks because DPS and Heals fucking _hate_ helping contr...
It's like... if it is not targetting me then not my problem that is their mindset.
I encounter this a lot if I go to AV and the purple stone start doing the cone which cause some hurt bleeding. It's really rare to see dps helping to CC them.
They be like "Frontal not aimed at me, not my problem", while in forti week the bleeding could cause serious damage to tank.
pallid quiver
Most players just want to "blast"
blast in quotations because them being allowed to just run their rotation does not end in big numbers in the slightest
So generally, if you want a convenient time, you should only pull what you can solo handle. It's best to be flexible and kind of recognize what the DPS/Heals are actually assisting with
pallid quiver
It's like... if it is not targetting me then not my problem that is their mindse...
A non-zero portion won't even do anything if it's targetting them; they'll just eat it. Again, not their job to control
The healer I mentioned was 100% that mindset
pallid quiver
Next week
rigid hull
is it confirmed?
pallid quiver
The reason there was a bullion quest at all was likely because the replaced the Heroic gear chest from the Mythic dungeon event with 2 bullions
and next week is the Mythic Dungeon event
It'd be stranger for it to not be 2 bullion, to be completely honest
timid jasper
@jagged pier thanks for the help
violet ginkgo
next week I'll finally buy the fire shield ring.
south zealot
I just have had some warriors in keys shit on wowhead guides
what did they shit on specifically
pallid quiver
I was assuming there was no specifics
south zealot
there’s a good chance they just dont know what they are talking about
probably not, yeah
pallid quiver
Just wowhead guide bad, you poopy
Imagine needing a guide and not having big brain like me to know two shield wall good
jagged pier
Its actually sad how many prots i see with bsv in remix where things live for 2 secs there its literally pointles to have
small bone
what did they shit on specifically
That following wowhead guide won’t make me a better tank and is not good to follow.
jagged pier
grim pilot
I mean tanking is more than just following a guide
but saying a guide is bad to follow
is a bit of a stretch
small bone
I just get shit on in keys cause I’m gearing and not pulling like they want and taking too much damage.
I know tanking is hard and requires a lot of effort
jagged pier
Well that depends on skill with class, lvl of content etc etc
south zealot
blindly following the guide won’t make you better, that doesn’t mean it’s bad to follow
you just need to use the information given to you
jagged pier
But if your gearing i suppose u arent doing high keys, so u shouldnt be taking too much damage
south zealot
understand why certain talents are taken understand when to use buttons etc
jagged pier
You could be doing something wrong, but cant tell without logs
south zealot
a lot of it is just practice
small bone
I would have to check what my highest key is on my Warrior.
I know I’m not going to be the best warrior tank, but I enjoy it.
I have seen critcake and Andybrew tank on warriors and they are something else. It’s amazing to watch.
pallid quiver
Honestly, that biggest portion of being a Prot War is press shield block, look at enemies, press buttons
That, base line, will get you through all content except the highest of M+ keys and maaaaaybe some of the more sketch tank buster events in Mythic raid
and for the latter, if they're blockable, you could probably still stumble your way through
small bone
I’m not bad just not at the highest. You can look up my Discord name and see I’m okay.
jagged pier
I mean from the 1 log against your char, it is from a long time ago, ill give u the benefit of the doubt but its not okay
small bone
From how long? Raid or key?
My logs on all my toons are pretty shit.
I have never been high
jagged pier
The only key log u have
But a quick glance your not higher because you not doing okay
And the fact u arent at least blue logs kind of show that
small bone
Cause I’m not blue means I’m a shit player?
jagged pier
Well grey indcated u are doing some significantly wrong as blue is average so blue is ppl who arent the best still making mistake but are getting there
small bone
So what am I doing wrong?
pallid quiver
There's mega block issues to start off with; I'm only lookin g at the +2 AA since that's the first dungeon I saw with an actual log, but
you only blocked 50% of melees coming at you
small bone
Okay. Will work on that
jagged pier
Well looking at your recnt raid logs very quickly
Wrong talents (for raid)
Blocked hits are low
Poor outburst management
Wasted rage
Low casts in general
pallid quiver
That likely stems from just not enough button pressing in general; you didn't even get above 10 CPM on Shield Slam over the course of the key
small bone
CPM?
pallid quiver
Casts per minute
so how many times you actually used abilities
Also, other than talents, all the above also is in effect for your key that I'm seeing, as well
small bone
So use Shield Slam more and Shield Block on cooldown.
pallid quiver
Not necessarily on CD, but use it more
Also make sure you're sending things like Shield Charge on CD, since that also gives Shield Block
I'd also recommend, in your case for keys, to swap Into the Fray for Heavy Repercussions; it helps give a buffer for shield block, plus it will help auto cover you for any drops in haste you get while gearing up
You're on the kind of low bar for ITF being a viable talent pick with your current haste, so if you drop any as a result of getting higher ilvl
small bone
Okay.
pallid quiver
Also, I wouldn't recommend sitting on two charges of shield block ever unless a pack is literally about to die
since you're losing out on more charges being generated
small bone
Okay.
I’m a little harebrained as a player, but I will try my best to do what you say.
arctic finch
can we now catalyst the sark cloak if we buy it with bullions?
jagged pier
No
south zealot
a lot of it is just practice
slim cairn
dwarf master race? gonna level to race change from maghar orc for tww
cerulean tusk
Nelf BiS
Chose whatever you think looks the coolest, if you are not after something in particular
pallid quiver
Based on the fact they sound like they're changing for gameplay, probably the two most notable are Night Elf and Dorf for Meld and Bleed/magic Removal respectively, with Dorf being generally nicer for the bleed removal depending on the dungeon/raid mechanics
rigid yew
@small bone shield block is not on gcd so I macro it to thunder and slam
Obviously controlling all abilities all the time is perfection but I find wasting some block casts is well worth having 90%+ uptime on it
small bone
I am too stupid to understand how to macro that. Can you link it?
I am lower of the intelligence of you expert players of WoW.
pallid quiver
Would heavily not recommend doing that, as you'll give yourself downtime on shield block, particularly when using ITF. It's less bad than in prior expacs, but it's still bad
It also hurts you more than usual currently since it means you'll generate less defensiveness from burning rage at less than preferable points with current tier; when you press IP, it has like a 90% chance to proc Fervid Bite, which resets TC cd
meaning you get more rage over time
Compared to Revenge and Shield Block's like, 15% chance or something small to proc a fervid
lusty grotto
if youre having problems with shield block uptime, consider installing a shield block tracker
and looking at it
a WA is more than enough
zealous goblet
oi lads real quick
because i am unsure if i am misunderstanding
what
is the max ilvl of a molten defender or whatever the crafted shield is called?
because the description of the enchanted crest has me believe it to be 525
zealous goblet
i'm just wondering when i oughta get it essentially, because my current shield is 522, and to my understanding, it's 60 crests to craft that shield? it seems like it'd be a bit further down the road because that's like 4 upgrades in other equips
lusty grotto
yes its 60 aspects for an enchanted aspect
thats fine though
you can still get a good myth track shield that'll be better than crafted
zealous goblet
i need to figure out a belt though i am still chilling on a 515 belt, no higher track has dropped yet
lusty grotto
on vault
pallid quiver
i'm just wondering when i oughta get it essentially, because my current shield i...
Personally, I'd either just grab a shield with bullions by this point or just get one from vault and not craft one at all
round pendant
I am suffering in m+
why do I always start late
+5 RLP and 2 priests and I got hit by like 10 destabilizes
frosty mango
Honestly, just farm dreamsurge and shit and lfr till 500 and do 8s
merry sluice
hopped into random 6's to help a friend and spam aspect crests im missing, should be super chill
Random shadow priest flames my route bc i didnt do the ultra giga, pull up to bromach room first pull.
in a 6, where dude only has one interrupt by the end of the key overall
"BUT YOU NEED TO DO IT IN A 20" was his legitimate response.
Priesto-guy aint doing 20s any time soon when he dies to swirlies and trash frontals ina 6.
I swear some players actually go out of their way to overcomplicate keys as much as humanly possible lmfao
drifting dagger
do we prefer into the fray vs heavy repercussions?
im at like 5300 haste on my own
lusty grotto
im at like 5300 haste on my own
read pins
drifting dagger
i wasn't sure if that was accurate due to the new build after the buffs
lusty grotto
?
what new build
you mean the change from battering ram to alacrity?
that has nothing to do with ITF or Heavy Reper
the same rule still applies
also those builds are updated with that change
pins are there, but they are edited
and maintained
merry sluice
💀
NVM i found a worse one
evoker flaming me for 'aggro' when he stood in narnia and died to frog adds
I should start recordsing lmfaO
lusty grotto
😬
round pendant
I got flamed for aggro because some guy stood in a frontal
small bone
For a Prot which is better to equip Fyrakk Rageheart, Treemouth's Festering Splinter, and Augury?
lusty grotto
treemouth for defensive situations
the other 2 for more offensive ones
are those your only trinkets?
small bone
Yes
lusty grotto
i suppose if they are, then you want treemouth + rageheart for defensive, augury + rageheart for offensive, but obviously there are way better options than rageheart and augury
small bone
Like?
small bone
I don't have the opportunity to raid, and I mostly do keys
So how are those better than the ones I have? Can you explain?
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/demon-hunter/vengeance/bis-gear#trinkets read this, it applies to us
nome didnt elaborate too much into ours in wowhead so this one goes over it in detail
the only exception is that Anvil = Signet brand more or less, and we do prefer anvil since its on use lets us keep stacks a lot better than signet
make sure you go over all 3 sections
also all totem is a lot higher for us
small bone
I noticed Nextback uses Rageheart instead of the ones you mention. Do you know why if the others are better?
lusty grotto
#protection message read this
also read my nickname
nextback is not a warrior to copy btw
ever
small bone
Why?
lusty grotto
search nextback in this channel
his approach is very unorthodox
if you wanna copy warriors choose plka or sense
small bone
Unorthodox is bad?
lusty grotto
that was putting it mildly
sometimes his picks aren't good
he just makes it work cause he has a good team
south zealot
I noticed Nextback uses Rageheart instead of the ones you mention. Do you know w...
rageheart is worse offensively then like 5? 6? trinkets and its not even kind of close
its worse defensively as well bc theres no mainstat and its a 100% absorb as opposed to the more preffered absorb of treemouth or even the flat dr to every hit that dreadplates provides
there is absolutely no situation where fyrakks is the best trinket in the game outside of making a super huge mistake and needing an absorb trinket to stabilize where treemouths would end up killing you with the bit of damage it does
but thats very unlikely and something you should never expect/want to happen so its not worth equipping
small bone
So it would be better to use Treemouth and Dreadplates together?
south zealot
theres always a better trinket than it
sick sentinel
i suppose if they are, then you want treemouth + rageheart for defensive, augury...
I would personally advise against double on-use defensive trinkets
lusty grotto
i wouldnt
south zealot
So it would be better to use Treemouth and Dreadplates together?
defensively yeah
lusty grotto
30s cd is nothing
thats just your personal opinion
there's nothing wrong with double on use
south zealot
I would personally advise against double on-use defensive trinkets
if you want a defensive loadout, double on use will the best
small bone
What about just Augury and Treemouth?
lusty grotto
did you read what i linked you?
south zealot
augury is worse than dreadplates so if you were gonna buy dreadplates i would just purchase it
sick sentinel
It's not the 30s cd, although that is annoying. It's that you have two trinkets that give you no value except when they are being used because they have no passive impact (I mean, rageheart is some damage, I guess).
thats just your personal opinion
That's why I said I would personally advise against. Just like you are personally advising for.
lusty grotto
augury is heavy RNG based damage, its simbait
lusty grotto
It's not the 30s cd, although that is annoying. It's that you have two trinkets ...
on a high key scenario those are 2 defensive cds that you have available, theres no such thing as "no value"
no value is a cheat that never gets triggered
sick sentinel
if there is one thing prot warrior lacks, it's defensive cds
lusty grotto
then youre not doing high enough keys
south zealot
if there is one thing prot warrior lacks, it's defensive cds
which is why defensive trinkets arent recommended in general
lusty grotto
obviously that's contextually important
south zealot
dreadplates is recommended bc it happens to be great defensively and do a ton of damage
south zealot
if dreadplates was like how it used to be, where it was really strong defensively but the plates never broke it wouldnt be recommended
lusty grotto
and then obviously we went on to recommendations
small bone
So my next buillion I get I will try and get Dreadplates and pair it with Treemouth
sick sentinel
then youre not doing high enough keys
got title last season on multiple tanks, current best prot warrior in the world is running one active + one scales.
your highest key this season is a 16.
if the guy has 3 trinkets and double on-use is his only option, fine, but let's not pretend that double defensive trinkets is something that should be recommended or even considered "not bad".
lusty grotto
are you hurting?
lusty grotto
got title last season on multiple tanks, current best prot warrior in the world ...
ok, but thats exactly what happened
key exp has nothing to do with game knowledge, and we've been through e-peen measurements here before
south zealot
got title last season on multiple tanks, current best prot warrior in the world ...
"your highest key this season is a 16" okay?
lusty grotto
so i'd rather move on from that point of your comment
there's a reason you dont see any top key tank's TCs or be able to mention them
south zealot
double on use trinkets is the best defensive combination
it just is
in theory, you never die
you should never die
if you die you fucked up
cheat prevents fuck ups
that is perfectly okay to equip but it is not the best theoretical combination
lusty grotto
got title last season on multiple tanks, current best prot warrior in the world ...
#protection message here you go
start of the convo
whew
good lord that was fast to get egos in
i wasnt even trying to trigger anyone lmao
lusty grotto
thats usually the case if either RNG is heavily in your favor
and/or you dont have high CPM on your skills
choco you got the Nome pic?
proud silo
augury usually does 15-20% for me
proud silo
i do, i posted logs in here before but i was just told i could be using outburst on SS more than thunderclap, i'll post the same log
oh mb
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
yeah
this is a bit closer to the truth
but also heavily RNG'd
233k is also on the low end with an aug
can probably do a bit better
proud silo
yeah, not sure what i can improve on damage-wise though
lusty grotto
change augury for all totem
(:
like your CPMs are mostly fine
and outburst IS a good huge chunk
its big damage
proud silo
lmaoo yeah i know ive heard all totem and dreadplates, i was going to get all-totem this week but ive been lazy and not even done any keys
proud silo
nah, i still need to kill mythic kazarra this week too
lusty grotto
big damage on big pulls
well if it doesnt drop, make sure you buy
remember its buy week, then next week is also a buy week
then the week after that its also a buy week
proud silo
hell yeah
south zealot
choco you got the Nome pic?
yeah one sec
what something does overall doesnt mean its good or bad
zealous goblet
at what level mining can i melt down a bronze bullion and create counterfeit with shitty bronze from vanilla - and more importantly, would the vendors be able to tell?
south zealot
yes, augury can do great damage but you also sacrifice mainstat for equipping it
so its not as good as it seems
lusty grotto
and of course its an RNG fiesta
south zealot
how much dps a trinket does is much more telling, though its hard to account for mainstat vs secondary stat difference
and yeah augury is an rng trinket
proud silo
yeah makes sense. best my augury has ever done (in st in a dungeon) was like 38k on a raging tempest pull once, but otherwise its pretty just... alright, doesnt usually get anywhere near that
violet ginkgo
I don't have the opportunity to raid, and I mostly do keys
but there is item called bullions..
drifting dagger
yeah one sec
what does the PS stand for?
jagged pier
per second
drifting dagger
ah ok thanks!
earnest cove
Can someone link a Uldaman PUG Route for reference for 15+?
i just have sense +16 run from youtube, but cant replicate that with pug
azure nimbus
Did this for ULDA 16 fort ( IN PUG )
earnest cove
ok, i cant live first pull. just getting chonked by casters
very similiar to my route
strong forum
If you don't pull the corner pack at the start, you won't have a random caster in the far back to deal with
earnest cove
i line that one with pillar
strong forum
And invis/shroud at last part of the key is not needed, you just pull 1 weaver + all the whelps
And you're good on count again
earnest cove
@azure nimbus how do you grp pull 7?
azure nimbus
And invis/shroud at last part of the key is not needed, you just pull 1 weaver +...
Huge loss of time in my opinion
azure nimbus
<@1065365074241409155> how do you grp pull 7?
I split it in two if i recall, but i asked for grp to wait in boss room, invi pot went pull, and jump fast in boss room and wait for them to come with LoS
earnest cove
thought so, i usually do that in 2
azure nimbus
with all affix it's quite comfy playing in boss room
But Ulda is mostly knowing how to LoS
strong forum
Huge loss of time in my opinion
Nah its 1 giant chain pull
Starting from the golem packs
Like basically all of the trash after 3rd boss is 1 giant chain pull, you do 2 golems together, then chain the bulwark mob into the next 2/3 golems, once the golems are dead you start chaining into the timeweavers
azure nimbus
Like basically all of the trash after 3rd boss is 1 giant chain pull, you do 2 g...
But you're pulling Two timeweavers at the same time ?
azure nimbus
Like basically all of the trash after 3rd boss is 1 giant chain pull, you do 2 g...
The thing you're explaining is what i'm doing actually, but i never even tried pulling 2 tmeweavers at the same time and that's where i had the idea of invi cuz waiting for one to die to pull the other is where my point is, losing a lot of time, but if you tell me we can pull both, i'll try next time
strong forum
not both weavers at the same time no
thats illegal
but you just chain asap
the only dmg that matters on those pulls is very specific singular mobs
so you asap go next
ill show the route my buddies are doing for 19+
think its smth like this
and from pull 9 onwards its just turbo chain pulls
oops
the whelps should be in pull 10 obv
and not in pull 3
smth along those lines iirc is their route
azure nimbus
Nah its 1 giant chain pull
Yeah i saw this route
But you're taking one Golem who's insane
And a skip who's really hard to do in PUG
But i understand what you're saying
i'll try to do it next time
strong forum
thats just what they do
azure nimbus
Thx for advice mate
strong forum
not what im recommending for +16
like pull 5 is giga hard
but everything else is doable
pull 5 i'd advise against, butbesides that its a decent route
cuz that pull is just scary af for pwar
azure nimbus
Yep clearly, i don't think it was a wprot who did this
Then for 17+ which one would you recommand ?
strong forum
same route except G21 instead of G20
azure nimbus
i did the same first pull
strong forum
ya
azure nimbus
took one off 7 then chain pull last part
Can't wait to try and share
Thanks again mate, appreciate
earnest cove
@azure nimbus do you have a log for your +16 run?
azure nimbus
<@1065365074241409155> do you have a log for your +16 run?
i log all my key and this is my name IG so you'll have everything on Warcraft Logs but there are far better Wprot than me
earnest cove
Rank 23 looks okay to me, but i am in top100 too and feel like i am shit sometimes :>
ty for your help, nome too
azure nimbus
ty for your help, nome too
🫡
rigid hull
AH okay
upper crow
anyone with some time to take a look at some logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YH2xQw6LRPBJMfgk#type=summary&fight=last
at first glance I'm noticing my TC tends to be way higher on casts than SS. and I'm not sure if I'm just skipping it sometimes or if I'm missing something else regarding fishing for SS resets
mellow bridge
strong forum
anyone with some time to take a look at some logs? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/...
you often just dont press GCDs
and yeah you are overprioritising TC
like in these 6 seconds you only send 3 GCDs
you generally start your rotation kinda wrong, even in ST
this is my opener
and you can generally see that TC is followed after SS
but on yours you can see that you send SS after TC
youre basically missing micro GCDs every other GCD
which does slow down your rotation, you overprioritise TC, instead of prioritising SS, to then get SS resets from TC
on your end you always make sure to put TC on CD first, instead of putting the spell that can be reset first
same thing here
you put TC on CD first, then SS, then you spent a GCD pressing something else, and TC again
so now your SS is always chasing your TC, instead of TC chasing SS
if you get what i mean
here again, losing 2 entire casts
between 14:59 and 15:01 you coulda send 1 more button, but didnt
between 15:02 and 15:04 you coulda sent another GCD, but didnt
these are all small things that stack up rapidly and make you miss out on more SS resets, more rage, more outburst and more CDs and so on
upper crow
ok, I think I get the TC CD and SS part. and yes, now I see how the missed GCDs do stack up a lot, just by looking at my breakdown against some other prot warrs. but now I got something clear to start working on
strong forum
upper crow
anything else that looks terribly wrong?
strong forum
youre sending too many outbursts on thunderclap
you sent 33 outbursts on TC and SS
meanwhile this is mine
91 on SS and 8 on TC
you also need to generally work on sending your CDs more on CD
rigid yew
ABC
strong forum
throughout this 20minute key you only got 25 avatars
when i got 40 avatars in 27minutes
its all a long rat tail formed from lack of shield slamming and lack of prioritising sending outburst on shieldslam
rigid yew
Always Be Casting
In the majority of cases its a dps loss to hold CDs to try and align stuff.
An exception would be lust points.
upper crow
I was happy I didn't waste "a lot" of rage on the AA. turns out it probably was because I ended up starving myself between all the missed casts
strong forum
its not so much starving
its moreso just missing out on potentially more casts
you can see a clear difference here in CPM
i got almost 50% more CPM on shieldslam and 100% more CPM on Revenge compared to you
all of which is obv more dmg gain, but also just raw rage
and rage is everything
rigid yew
Probably obvious but you should at least have tc, ss, and revenge on an easy to reach keybind
You will want to spam those on every gcd possible
strong forum
more rage = more CDs = more damage = more surv
more rage = more revenge/IP = more Avatars/Outbursts = more rage
and therefor
more rage = more rage
rigid yew
I only rage starve if I dump too much into IP and revenge
So those are the ones to not over do it on
tribal wharf
gas gas gas im gunna step on the gas tonight and be the winner
(cuz it fuels your everything, rage)
strong forum
Click on the outburst icon
It filters dmg done while the outburst buff is up
And since outburst gets consumed by TC/SS it automatically also means you sent it on that button
strong forum
Sometimes it is correct to send it on TC, but for the overwhelming majority it is not correct
strong forum
Since
a) tc hits for very little
b) outburst tc only generates 15 rage but SS generates 39 or up to 45 if you talent into HR
near walrus
i feel like im pressing TC way to often for no reason sometime, like in a situation where i only have 2-3 mobs left or on a boss
strong forum
Aslong as SS is on CD, that's the correct play
But if SS is ready, you wanna send that
strong forum
But it's okay, on TWW with Mountain Thane you wanna turbo prioritise Thunderblast (the buffed version of Thunderclap)
And my weakaura pack is already set-up for TWW with all the buffs you need to track (colossus is missing cuz demolish can't be setup yet)
flat raven
We ever use Whirlwind? Or just stickin with revenge?
plush path
is this with avoidanc ebetter than a 12/12 verdant matrix?
jagged pier
nope
jagged pier
nope
violet ginkgo
is this with avoidanc ebetter than a 12/12 verdant matrix?
I thought you asked this yesterday and we already recommend you to buy the bullion shield because it's 528?
violet ginkgo
We ever use Whirlwind? Or just stickin with revenge?
There is no WW for prot, just scrap that skill never put it on your bar.
tribal wharf
i have no idea why they dont just delete it from abilities spell book page for prot, if it can never see combat usefulness in any sense
plush path
I thought you asked this yesterday and we already recommend you to buy the bulli...
i asked if its better w avoidance
plush path
is this with avoidanc ebetter than a 12/12 verdant matrix?
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tribal wharf
revenge better (mostly due to talents and scaling) in every single possible regard
is like racing, a fork lift, vs, camero
violet ginkgo
Unless we are wrong I thought we already told you about avoidance doesn't matter compared to ilvl?
you gain amount of block from increasing ilvl is way more beneficial compared to that mini avoidance.
tribal wharf
ya, avoidance is tertiary stat (3rd in chain of considerations)
so it only comes into play after ilvl, then after stats, then at that point your filtering for avoidance
violet ginkgo
Agree with ray, even then if you choose leech over avoidance it won't make a big matter too. I mean this is tertiary we talking about.
tribal wharf
is it like, wrist or something enchants, or a shield
i heard mention of blocking, so
that is a very nice shield tho
stiff wagon
Guys, I'm proud to say that I redeemed myself and finished Uldaman +10 🙂
and I did what @strong forum suggested which was dance around corners lol.
Cancelled mob casts and got mobs ot move out of pools.
But I gotta say having a solid group of peopel who actually interrupt as much as you do is so helpfu.
iron pumice
But I gotta say having a solid group of peopel who actually interrupt as much as...
What do you mean? My favorite is looking at interrupts after a key and I have 20-25 and my other 4 have under 10 combined.
rigid yew
@iron pumice even more fun is checking stops
iron pumice
<@203356033647640576> even more fun is checking stops
My mage used DB 4 times hitting 3 mobs total everything is fine !
stiff wagon
@iron pumice HAHA.
tribal wharf
could be nice to have a "casts prevented by stun/fear/silence+ (basically cc)" line in details
even though lots of those spells just get immediately recasted, there are some examples that they try to cast some crap, you bolt them, and then it DOES go on their CD
fairly narrow i guess, only really useful for keys, cant really stun raid mobs
wheat moat
man never thought it would be so hard to make a decision, there are so many different good trinkets for prot warrior and some trinkets are easier to get than others cant figure out whats worth to buy
lusty grotto
dreadplates, all totem, anvil
wheat moat
is all totem an offensive only trinket?
lusty grotto
dont think too much on it, we have more than enough bullions
sand pebble
we have nopthing to gain mastery % do we?
this will stop at 36000 rating right and cant go higher?
frosty mango
Hm
jagged pier
Unironically in remox if u get the caps from the cloak alone u gem armor for more strength
frosty mango
Next bullion purchase:
522 > 528 shield
515 > 528 gholak
528 > 528 all totem
jagged pier
Dont watse a purchase on a shield
sand pebble
started fucking with builds dropping talents for more damage, anything leech and rumming warmth gem
frosty mango
Feel like the gholak is the play because I have access to mythic raid shields
jagged pier
Its so much more likely to get a shield from vault
lusty grotto
at this point jakey
we have a lot of bullions
so its an ok buy
considering the next 2 weeks are also buy weeks
i agree though
gholak should be the very first anyway
frosty mango
I don’t really have anything left to buy at this point anyway, have all my dps gear
lusty grotto
all im missing is emptying the mount vendor and im done with remix
sand pebble
im about halfway through mounts, got all toys and tmog i want
sand pebble
nice
lusty grotto
literally everything
want to be done before elden ring and dawntrail come out
getting severe burn out from wow as a whole
south zealot
happy fathers day if youre older than 29 or have a child
lusty grotto
yeah happy father's day everyone
frosty mango
happy fathers day if youre older than 29 or have a child
Do I get double gifts if I qualify for both
south zealot
double nothing? sure
frosty mango
Winning
violet ginkgo
man never thought it would be so hard to make a decision, there are so many diff...
I think some of us using this kind of setting
Raid: Anvil + Signet/Grieftorch
M+ : Anvil + Dread/Alltotem/Treemouth (but treemouth is not buy)
So if you confuse what to buy just anvil it first.
echo egret
Is it acceptable to refuse to play on sanguine weeks ever again ?
lusty grotto
it will be hard in tww
but yeah its accceptable right now
sanguine week is a no go week
its an anti push week so not worth
echo egret
I wish every single tank in the world had the guts to not play them in TWW. That would be the only way to force Blizzard to to reconsider their dumbass choices
Same with bolstering
lusty grotto
yeah the only problem with that is that you do need a key for next week
and of course vault
othewise i'd be game
echo egret
Again, if all players would accept to forfeit their vault for a few sanguine weeks, maybe Blizzard would change
Zero key ran this week, I genuinely wonder what their reaction would be
lusty grotto
ok can you say it again?
i guess i didnt catch it the first time
not like many tanks are playing this week anyway
there are more groups without tanks in group finder than any other week
echo egret
I’m wondering what could make blizzard reconsider their choice.
What if zero keys were played the first few sanguine weeks, what would be their reaction?
echo egret
Exactly
lusty grotto
beta feedback
lusty grotto
good question
pallid quiver
A thermonuclear device
lusty grotto
but the best we can do is to keep posting about how sanguine and the others suck
rain yew
Spell reflect is so much fun
small bone
Who has the best warrior weak aura?
pallid quiver
Nome's kit will have everything you need to play Prot War well, but the answer is whatever makes you play best and enables:
- Tracking CDs, catching Shield Slam resets, etc
- Track Shield Block duration
- Track Violent Outburst so you can properly spend it
strong forum
Clearly mine is the best 
But yeah, whatever you like the look of is probably gonna work for you
pallid quiver
i made my own with non-dynamic groups because i'm unga caveman and dynamic groups don't work with my 2 int
the abilities can like, scale and move so i can't track them as the good
pallid quiver
They really are unless you're dumb like me, sheer caveman brained
I blame fight games because meter don't move
unless you've got a QUALITY game on your hands
drifting dagger
Pretty clean ngl
I’ve mostly been using a modified version of preachgaming
Or quazii’s
vocal cave
Im using luxthos wa, the added benefit is it has fury and arms in it too
lusty grotto
i use luxthos for arms and fury and disable it for prot
and use Nome's for prot
ez setting in luxthos
i think ill probably change to Afenar's for Arms/Fury though, ive been thinking about it
i would instantly use critcakes, except the added need for Atrocity is kind of not my thing
drifting dagger
Luxthos is too bright for my liking personally but it’s a good package
I kinda like preach just cuz the ability disappears after pressed to clean up ur screen a bit and reappears with 10 sec left on CD or whatever u set it to
lusty grotto
i like that approach
at least for rotational/priority abilities
i like seeing long CDs like rally, just in case
and/or kicks/stops
just so you know how much time until its up for an important one
lusty grotto
yeah
lusty grotto
right, it could work for SS, TC and Revenge
strong forum
If anything, you do it other way around
lusty grotto
but not the rest
lusty grotto
i actually get fucking confused by that one
panic mode when i dont see it
like your rally
strong forum
It all comes down to how comfortable you are and how blindly you know the spec
strong forum
That's why on my other class packs like evoker, shaman or arms nothing "hides"
drifting dagger
Yea I’ve sorta customized it over the xpac’s and such some abilities show me 10-20 sec cd big defensives I adjust to like 30-45 but it just kinda cleans up my UI but I’m gonna have to try nome’s tonight
lusty grotto
my ui is pretty clean anyway
grim pilot
@strong forum @south zealot
I just had
my sub ran out
during a key
💀
while I was tanking a boss
and for some reason
it wont accept my oro
south zealot
grim pilot
and like
right now
im trying to figure out why
lol
they wont accept my dutch credit card
nor my polish one
grim pilot
I got some random ass option like 30 mins after that I can buy wow token with gold
luckily I had 3,5m
literally moments after key finished
lusty grotto
merry sluice
Top 10 pictures taken moments before disaster
You Won't believe #3: dps gets stunned and dies??
pallid quiver
Better a DPS than me
I will get stunned by those 1,000% of the time
Songle worst aspect of my olay this season
merry sluice
i've foud it worryingly reliable to just fuck it
send all concerns to the wind and heroic leap past invisible boys with either an aoe button, or shocking disclosure
lusty grotto
this guy is whispering me on multiple characters
lets look at the overall death log
lusty grotto
3rd character he messages me
ionic fern
I like people like those.
You know you really-really got under their skins without even doing anything.
ionic fern
I'd just report.
And call it a day.
And ignore his messages.
Probably a 12 year old who got summer re-sess.
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
btw this was my death
i honestly dont give a shit, that was early in the key so i wasnt sweating it
lol
12 deaths btw
from the vdh
lmao
i hadnt read this
this guy is one of those
def a 12 y/o
lusty grotto
he died literally when the drake came down on last boss
on RLP
lol
also mage with tank damage
ionic fern
Who plays WoW in FPS.
lusty grotto
o
ionic fern
