Okay bought torch now 😛 ty
#protection
mystic radish
jagged pier
Of u do low keys torch is also goated
mystic radish
Just put the Cleave into the melees
vocal cave
When you check top logs augury pulls ahead of grieftorch when people arent dying
Iirc
jagged pier
What difficulty? how long where the fights? How lucky were the procs
Cause u have to be lucky for aug to do big damage
Last season i got a terrible smoldy log because aug didnt proc at anytime i got damage buffs
Did for other ppl tho
vocal cave
Literally any mythic top log kazzra through magmorax
jagged pier
So short fights then
Where augrary is good
Which is what i already said and nome said
compact silo
oh wait so i asked about improved heroic throw but i meant to ask about titanic throw. is it good?
echo egret
I personally love it but it’s gone in TWW
compact silo
I personally love it but it’s gone in TWW
what would you replace in the standard mythic set to take titanic throw?
i took out intimidating shout cuz im questing and doing past expansion stuff so its easier to kill quest mob packs
strong forum
Sidearm
hardy snow
i took out intimidating shout cuz im questing and doing past expansion stuff so ...
for such content it doesn't really matter what you swap, you are powerful there anyway, so everything power related is fine to exchange for QoL you need in such content
vocal cave
heroic leap cd reduction
compact silo
for such content it doesn't really matter what you swap, you are powerful there ...
i know i meant for mythic dungeons
crystal iris
when im running like 8s or 6s I usually drop disrupting shout and spell block for 2x BB
sometimes ill even drop shockwave for the CDR on roar
but trinkets always stump me i usually run Augury and then idk what else
usually ill put OCE or icon or anvil. I tried stormkeepers last night and it was terrifying lol
crystal iris
maybe ill grab greiftorch in a few weeks, I'll probably get dreadplates next week
i bought OCE for arms this week as I didnt want to tank
rigid hull
echo egret
I was told I should reconsider my pulls on a +14 fortified, because we were too slow. That's the detailed pulls I do, either starting with bridge->vexamus, or going for tree first.
I tend to find the cheese LOS spots near bridges easier to use when going Vezxamus first.
Any suggestion for improvement ?
I am often merging pulls 3 and 5 together.
grim pilot
do 1 big pull at the start
echo egret
On the tree ?
grim pilot
yes
echo egret
All plants + 6 flyers ?
grim pilot
vexamus packs either all at once or do it 2 packs into 1 pack or vice versa depends on your groups cds
3 skitterflies
you'd ideally skip 3
pulls 8 with 9 together
consider saving invis pots for double bridge pack
echo egret
Yeah, i was wodnering, I don't see how we can position in a LOS spot if I merge 8 and 9
grim pilot
and get some extra trash elsewhere (foragers, some packs at the end but with as little casters as possible)
wdym position in los spot
kick the 2 casters
they get silenced
and drag everything close-ish to the bridge
echo egret
Against the Arcane Ravagers, to stop them from moving everywhere
grim pilot
This is how u can do pulls around doragosa, 2 casters per pack. Last pack obviously solo not with boss
echo egret
How do you even perform your pull number 4 ?
grim pilot
walk around ravager patrolling
grim pilot
keep in mind you probably dont want to do this pull in 14
I just linked to show u last 2 pulls
echo egret
aaah ok
I see some people do a triple pull before Vexamus, I have to say it feels quite dangerous. 2 battle axes, 1 scepter, 4 books...
grim pilot
I havent done it as pwar higher than on 8-9 but on dh I just spam sigils so its not bad
echo egret
I can imagine
crystal iris
I know im salty as fk
but theyve been in queue for a tank for 10-15 minutes and a prott war thats 200 IO higher than the leader applied during the worst tank week and gets declined
crystal iris
they finally invited me the second time (so after like 7-8 minutes so I declined
they still in there haha been in queue 25minutes now
gonna keep applying and declining
tribal wharf
i cant for life of me understand why both BM and demonology in a key
seems like giga trap, seems like so many adds they will invariably pull the entire room/wing
violet ginkgo
they finally invited me the second time (so after like 7-8 minutes so I declined
No purple tank and they getting tired after waiting 25 mins 
lusty grotto
yogi... they dont pull by their own unless if they are in combat
theres no problem having BM + Demo in group
tribal wharf
do the bats spell for demonology ever get played or its dead
i kept trying to use the bat thing, but it seemed it sucks to me
shoots like a fire bat and it does fire bat dmg things
i dunno, i'm not a warlock guy much, only ever really toyed with it long ago to do transformation in wrath
lusty grotto
🤷
tribal wharf
i would love to be beter at warlock, but alot of buttons mostly problem
felgaurd is awesome
tanks, whirlwinds, storm bolts, what more can i ask for?
lusty grotto
yeah well
a bunch of stacks of... the frontal?
how could you not know whats happening at this point?
crystal iris
I was panicking a bit I didnt have time to mouse over my debuff and check
lusty grotto
i mean
crystal iris
It was either piercing shards or arcane fury
lusty grotto
what other mob there applies stacks
bro
youre doing a 14 and you still dont know what mobs do?
crystal iris
then i guess it was frontal stacks
lusty grotto
holy cow
crystal iris
guess we ran out of stuns
idk it was rough without lust
I even dwarfed and it didnt seem to remove the stacks
lusty grotto
dwarf doesnt remove it
crystal iris
ya at that point i started panicking
crystal iris
there are like 3 others in the entire dungeon if you dont count first pull
and they are all like 1 per pack maybe 2, they dont stack up bc ppl can stun them
lusty grotto
i find it hard to believe you dont know the most dangerous ability in the entire dungeon
crystal iris
I know it, just didnt know it stacked
lusty grotto
but welp
crystal iris
because it always drops off or gets stunned
fickle tundra
attempting a first time tanking AV on sanguini at 14 is.. a lot.
crystal iris
but what does it matter anyway, I cant dwarf it, and there are 4 of them in that pack
crystal iris
sanguine really wasnt an issue
lusty grotto
its dangerous and you should know about it?
crystal iris
I knew about it
fickle tundra
but, same, the fist time I tried AV that frontal stacking debuff was a bit surprising. As melee dps you dodge that or die lol
crystal iris
my question is what do i do about it
crystal iris
PRACTICE WHAT
lusty grotto
knowing what mobs do 🙂
crystal iris
THEN WHAT
lusty grotto
then you turn off caps
crystal iris
8s dont hurt
crystal iris
or maybe instead of stopping the first ones ill let the stack build up to 4-5 then use my stops to let the debuff drop
lusty grotto
shockwave, fear, stormbolt, shield charge
crystal iris
i tool off shield charge
lusty grotto
no idea why
not like you need the extra surv in that dungeon
well you obviously did
cause you ate piercing shards to the face
crystal iris
youre so fkn annoying
every day
i used all my stuns to stop as many of the frontals as I could
but I ran out and obviously theres nothing else I can do
lusty grotto
you cant dwarf it
grim pilot
Ah
crystal iris
If you're a dwarf save it for 4-5 stacks
tried that, started panicking when I saw it didnt work
grim pilot
Im not playing dwarfs man
I only play dwarf on mage
either way
first 4 u solo stop
crystal iris
i was like OH, this gonna hurt hurt
grim pilot
then u pop spell block
if u think any is gonna go through
people might help with ccs
either way u can just communicate before the pull "help me cc them when I say"
and you will get at least one cc
crystal iris
so you dont like my strat of eating a few then at like 4 stacks I solo stop the next 4 that way the stacks drop off?
grim pilot
the pull 100% didnt last longer than a minute and you should be fine for a minute
or your dps was insanely shit
even a minute is very long
lusty grotto
sounds like dps was insanely shit
crystal iris
grim pilot
Communicate -> First 4 solo stop -> you'll get 1 or 2 helps (if lucky maybe more) on the next stops -> spell block last second if you think its gonna go through
wdym 500k is not insanely shit
lusty grotto
first 3*
grim pilot
for a 14
crystal iris
hunter was fine
lusty grotto
if hes running the training wheels
grim pilot
does he not have shield charge
grim pilot
Its cool to try things out but I wouldnt do that if its a push key for you
shield charge bridges the shield block gap
if you're playing itf
and itf makes you tankier and do more dam
crystal iris
so does bolster
crystal iris
but I agree I prefer the standard build
crystal iris
I agree
keen vine
in uldaman how are you supposed to handle the chomps from the basiliks? just run arround?
lusty grotto
stops
crystal iris
ya when you see them start casting you take a few steps back to they dont chomp you
lusty grotto
dont run, they fervent, you run = your melee or closest dps dies
crystal iris
or run around the pillar when youre out of stops
grim pilot
So if any goes through you can start with spell reflect for the first dot, demo shout should be popped on cd anyways
shield wall when stacks start to get higher
obv d stance if needed
crystal iris
they fervent? I've never had that happen to a DPS
crystal iris
I just stutter step back and the cast stops
crystal iris
idk I've never had a DPS get chomped
grim pilot
I have been chomped
crystal iris
and I run around that pillar to escape it
grim pilot
plenty of times
lusty grotto
running around is fine, but you will LoS your heals
running around is not the same as kiting
or fleeing to africa
as long as youre still in melee range
just play stops
install nameplate cds
its "casted", can be stopped
just gotta pay attention
keen vine
i mean you have 3 stops
lusty grotto
to the big 4
lusty grotto
and have dps pay attention to chain lightnings
keen vine
i always do
crystal iris
nim must play with the best fkn group on this planet just infinite stops every pull is easy
8 thaumaturges ez
keen vine
yea idk
lusty grotto
if they arent dying before 2nd chomp, your dps is terrible
crystal iris
4 basilisks no problem just stand there
lusty grotto
Duru, a key is a group effort
crystal iris
they barely die before the third chomp
lusty grotto
at a certain level, you NEED the group to help
you cannot solo past a certain point
get that through your head
it doesnt matter if its pugs or not, they need to help
crystal iris
ya but Im going to pull in a way that doesnt rely so heavily on unknowns
lusty grotto
then dont do these pulls
because you need people there
split it up
split up the uldaman pull
dusky canopy
Just pull balls to the wall and if group fails it wasn’t worth your time anyway
lusty grotto
its a group effort, you cannot outgear it
they dont help = key deplete
you dont help = key deplete
you dont make those pulls = key deplete
crystal iris
im still skeptical about the chomp ferventing
lusty grotto
theres no buts, maybes, or hows
bro that is an s2 dungeon
it fervented in s2
it fervents now
crystal iris
I don't run to the other side of the room
lusty grotto
you dont have to trust me
crystal iris
i just step a tiny bit back and the cast stops then i go back in
lusty grotto
myrt already said they got chomped
thats what you do with custodians
not with chomps
keen vine
i have seen them a few times chomp other people, but most of the time it seems fine
maybe it only happens if they are in range
keen vine
i see
lusty grotto
if nobody is in melee range it wont
closest target = gets fucked
if youre out of range
blazing condor
rip
lusty grotto
merry sluice
Last uldaman I did involved a priest gripping me backwards through the custodians, not only getting the melee on the otherside cleaved, but two free bleed stacks my way, that I was backstepping
Fun times
lusty grotto
yeah thats just trolling
custodians are such an easy pull with stutter stepping
but people dont know
merry sluice
Yeaaah
I have noticed priest healers are either literal gods descent from the heavens above
Or singlehandedly on a mission to destroy my key
lusty grotto
so they do shit like that
yeah i mean
dps die to cleaves there also
cause they dont know lol
merry sluice
one i've seen a lot
is melee just running infront of them trying to beat me down the stairs for some reason
and inevitably they get smacked
south zealot
nim did u see the bluepost
median tulip
Yeaaah
I have noticed priest healers are either literal gods descent from the he...
It's like how Devokers are either amazing or complete dogshit, with nothing in between. On a related note I just love when Evokers use their knockback to put mobs into my rear arc.
median tulip
The alliance version is the worse one, right?
lusty grotto
yeah by far
well at least its consistent now
i mean idk, blizzard seems completely out of touch from keys
south zealot
alliance still had like 2 minutes of rp more, no?
lusty grotto
i would have expected 0 changes
uhh
i cant remember
i just remember that top platform was stupid and everyone just jumped off
i didnt push high as alliance anyway
undone beacon
I never did the Alliance version of that key and now im scared haha
what made it worse?
lusty grotto
so instead of spawning in the sewer/dock thingies
you spawned up top
to a bunch of mobs in front
undone beacon
oh that doesnt sound fun
sick sentinel
Imagine making every M+ player an herbalist just for Mists
lusty grotto
and you had to clear a path to where you could jump off down to the boardwalk path
sick sentinel
Fuck that
south zealot
im pretty certain it just means you need 1 herbalist in your group
merry sluice
It's like how Devokers are either amazing or complete dogshit, with nothing in b...
group of casters get sent 4 miles awya from eahc other
ranged make no attempt to interrupt any of their kicks so now they dont get cleaved.
Bonus points if something in the group also frontals and noone will move so u can try and stack something
vdh has ruined this game smh
south zealot
instead of a nightfae
south zealot
but like instead of having a nightfae bc covs are dead you bring a herbalist if you want it
sick sentinel
im pretty certain it just means you need 1 herbalist in your group
You and I both know that unless someone hit the right race or is dudu inevitably you will find the 5 man who doesn't get the skip
lusty grotto
yeah seeds are kind of a bigger deal
south zealot
nightfae is a very common race
sick sentinel
but like instead of having a nightfae bc covs are dead you bring a herbalist if ...
Yeah but how fucking hard is it to walk to Oribos and click "I'm a Night Fae now"
Good god
south zealot
covenants arent relevant in the game
so they changed the covenant mechanic to be something that is relevant
sick sentinel
And it's still just as annoying
south zealot
how is this the change youre upset about
sick sentinel
It's the easiest thing to bitch about, since they obviously won't buff prot pvp damage
And the wording actually doesn't say that Night Fae won't be able to click it
rigid yew
They did
south zealot
this text is so advanced i cant tell if its bad bait or if youre actually just insane
undone beacon
I mean theres a lot of time between now and then, we saw a fair amount of iteration on other returning dungeons so
sick sentinel
this text is so advanced i cant tell if its bad bait or if youre actually just i...
You right
lusty grotto
true
merry sluice
On the one hand yes. On the other hand, they're still bringing in cata dungeons so I dunno how much I can trust them
rigid yew
south zealot
thats just text rewording
lusty grotto
the entire boss is fucking dogshit
undone beacon
MASSIVE change, BIG W
sick sentinel
Fucking kek lmao
south zealot
actually that might mean its not a cone
undone beacon
All the readers in chat
south zealot
but either way the boss is just fundamentally shit
undone beacon
it reads like its a total knockback instead of a cone now
lusty grotto
congratulations Blizzard has made the boss even worse
sick sentinel
Damn, must fucking suck to be a M+ guy
undone beacon
I want to know why they picked these dungeons to return, like thematically I get Grim Batol but the rest...
pallid quiver
I don't know what the issue is with mists, speaking as a Tauren 🙂
rigid yew
They read people's "worst dungeon" list and picked from those
lusty grotto
probably because SoB was kind of influenced by nzoth and old gods are void simps
merry sluice
after seeing their previewed affixes for next season
I don't think we're even playing the same game as the devs lmfao.
undone beacon
shoulda brought Shrine of the Storms back if that was the vibe they wanted smh
lusty grotto
true
sick sentinel
They read people's "worst dungeon" list and picked from those
Nah, make people have to slog through Opening of the Dark Portal
south zealot
it honestly feels like they are making s1 bad on purpose
pallid quiver
Black Morass M+, where the timer is shorter than the travel time between spawn spots
crystal iris
ya those basilisks you cant do anything
undone beacon
Hell maybe go crazy and do Seat of the Triumvirate
crystal iris
if you stun them they just chomp agani right away
south zealot
you stun them only if you need to not extend your bleed
otherwise yeah stunning doesnt do anything
undone beacon
I'm calling it now, S2 is going to have MOTHERLODE!! and Seat of the Triumvirate as two of the returners
rigid yew
I like motherlode
lusty grotto
motherload isnt bad i guess
except for the stupid last part
that everyone death skipped
undone beacon
They datamined a bunch of goblin themed raid stuff so I'm fairly confident we'll see something like that
Yeah that part was cringe
south zealot
i dont even remember the motherlode
like i remember doing it on heroic but idek if i did a single motherlode keystone
tribal wharf
rigid yew
They should bring back the dungeon where you pull things through the walls and ceilings constantly and was never fixed
undone beacon
Tol Dagor?
merry sluice
dw, vdh and pally could pull through the walls and ceilings super easily in Waycrest too
tribal wharf
and this, why not its the same as it was in bfa horde has shorter start but more difficulty due to sharks
lusty grotto
ignite and pallies pulling through opera in kara 🙂
rigid yew
@tribal wharf because of cross faction play
sick sentinel
and this, why not its the same as it was in bfa horde has shorter start but more...
Cross-Faction
tribal wharf
ally start is painfully long if i recal
lusty grotto
sharks are basically a non-factor
they put alliance start in cause they want it to be harder, period
undone beacon
Didnt the sharks only do anything if you fell in the water?
tribal wharf
most times, mostly like a quaking thing, but they are deadly if triggered
lusty grotto
right
tribal wharf
i had many keys end first 2nd pull cuz someone falls in and dies
lusty grotto
lol...
undone beacon
New affix, mobs in water take 20% more nature damage but can now breathe on land because fuck you
tribal wharf
not a ton but enough
merry sluice
Landsharks.
tribal wharf
you guys clearly havent done tyranical .......................... squid boy.... whatever his name is from seige
vizgoth some stupid shit
undone beacon
tyrannical squidward
undone beacon
rigid yew
Don't worry they are making it more difficult 🙂
tribal wharf
its the big slapper tentacles mostly, but also adds adn swirls and sharks, ppl being slow at the cannon
rigid yew
You can't avoid tentacle slam anymore
tribal wharf
we always had a person that was ready to go on the cannon not fuck around
get in very early fire and not miss
its a tough fight, you guys will see if you don't remember it
hardy snow
every boss is tough if you have people that dont do mechanics of fight
tribal wharf
that boss, on tyranical especially is ROUGHt
what i seem to recall is it would spawn 3 tentacles that 1 grips a friend, and 2 that spam slam if there is no tank in melee or a heavy hitting melee if they are or a playerm, you could use stun to interupt the slam if you timed it
it was too much for many players
rigid yew
It was played before
It'll be played again
The good news is if you don't like it then it won't be there for the next seasons
rigid yew
Remember that affixes will be very different which greatly affects difficulty
merry sluice
they update the previewed affixes, remove them all
Add only "Boralus"
Each dungeon becomes siege of boralus
tribal wharf
thats fine by me tbh, there is a bunch of stuff i can reflect in there and spell block
posion assasin crap
undone beacon
"oh shit its boralus week"
rigid yew
@merry sluice no the dungeons remain the same except every boss is replaced with last boss siege
lusty grotto
no just last boss
undone beacon
new dungeon... siege of grimrail... you fight big squid... on train..
tribal wharf
its tough to explain but if you loose like all your men to 3rd boss siege but kill it, probably not gunna ever make it on final
tribal wharf
3rd boss is very good indicator of how final will go
lusty grotto
it is a no indicator because the bosses are nothing alike
hadal is a typical encounter, last boss isnt
merry sluice
"Ward of Boralean Ire"
Every boss spawns 2 bosses from Boralus. At 50% the current boss takes 99% reduced damage until the other two bosses are slain
rigid yew
If I remember correctly I had a ton of runs where its a great run and last boss bricks the key at least on tyran
tribal wharf
im saying that the bosses in that dungeon, 1 is the easiest, by far, 2 is sort of a joke still, 3rd is kinda hard, and 4th is just hell
lusty grotto
3rd isnt hard
merry sluice
"We believe this will provide players with a fresh experience throughout these returning dungeons, and are inline with our vision for affixes going forth."
tribal wharf
and it becomes apparent you wont finish or time when doing 3rd boss,
rigid yew
Rip brew
lusty grotto
lol
merry sluice
im sure the negative one brew player will be devastated
tribal wharf
meh lets not get too excited just yet
lusty grotto
tier lists 
rigid yew
I will be banning all brews from my keys
lusty grotto
i think people are missing your joke Svensk
tribal wharf
we all know how this goes, pwar looks awesome for luanch then we get nerfed then back to D tier
lusty grotto
radiant mortar
i think people are missing your joke Svensk
it sadly looks like it
rigid yew
@lusty grotto that's actually terrible because he's seeing the joke
radiant mortar
yeah and it still going over his head
south zealot
tier lists before beta m+ testing has even happened is impressive
must have a crystal ball
south zealot
yeah i understand why they are doing it
unkempt hazel
well snap, got the plates from first m kazzara 
lusty grotto
gz!
south zealot
but no matter how many times you say “this is preliminary m+ testing hasnt started this is just a guess based on what we have seen in heroic dungeons” etc etc
south zealot
ppl that use tier lists wont hear that
and ppl that dont use tier lists already know that tier lists for wow are flawed
merry sluice
pls tell me the thumbnail has vdh marked below all the other tanks like in the screenshot, or says "vengeance dead" or something painfully clickbaity
radiant mortar
No idea, a friend just shared the sreenshot
lusty grotto
who is this anyway
radiant mortar
but no matter how many times you say “this is preliminary m+ testing hasnt start...
tier list maker dont care tho, they just want the content
lusty grotto
ah
south zealot
its two guys i forget who is who
south zealot
tier list maker dont care tho, they just want the content
i know i understand
lusty grotto
so no names?
south zealot
gotta pay the bills
dusky canopy
guys we are saved
@waxen frigate
lusty grotto
even if it was recognized streamers, tier lists are bad but it is what it is
south zealot
the game is so balanced in recent times that every single class is within 1 tier of every other class
south zealot
and tier lists dont work that way its supposed to be a curve with the highest and lowest tiers having few (one/two) in that category with the bulk of the list being towards the middle
and in wow pve thats just not accurate
merry sluice
only 4k?
Im already 5k top .001% in TWW, and I can tell you prot warrior is top tier, with vdh being bottom tier
dusky canopy
I stopped giving a shit about tier lists years ago
Was fun content for a short while ngl
But when you realize how dogshit they are you get bored
lusty grotto
dont worry brew, we know youre not dense 🙂
lusty grotto
LOL
south zealot
i watch max’s tier lists because even if i dont give a fuck how things are ranked i just like listening to people talk about wow lol
and theyre usually a couple hours to make time at work go by faster
dusky canopy
i watch max’s tier lists because even if i dont give a fuck how things are ranke...
Tru and real
lusty grotto
thats why i listen to poddy c
south zealot
ive listened to a few episodes
south zealot
jb is funny as fuck man
south zealot
lusty grotto
of course
tribal wharf
whats the tldr on the affix twitter malding
toxic pewter
tldr affix bad me mad
tribal wharf
im not invested as of yet
ahhh, yes
i felt like this when i came back to wow in 8.0 and discovered affixes
toxic pewter
I havent even tested new affixes yet so i dont have an opinion
tribal wharf
sanguine, in its current form, is annoying but managable
crystal iris
HoI is spicy
toxic pewter
sanguine def better than it used to be imo but yeah still ass
lusty grotto
no, sanguine is dogshit
tribal wharf
i still rate it as a C or D tier for "good affixes"
crystal iris
dodging the frontals in the first ring without killing your DPS while interrupting and stopping is rough
Sanguine is the opposite of fun
tribal wharf
but its not F tier garbage like 800k explosvie orbs
never seen a more scary screenshot my entire life
what was it, 757K hp explosive?
good lord
or prideful
pride and the other 20% of the dungeon the bfa one, end of shadowlands if the SLs4 ones worked that way, those were fine, prideful was ass
tribal wharf
surprise bonus boy thats gunna delete your group and if you just so manage to kill it you get a buff for 1 minute
reaping good yes, the s2 bfa one ya
that one was really fun, best one
i had a group that was compenent and reliable in those days but ya
tribal wharf
nah, the worst affix ever is the emisarries
tribal wharf
or the legion healer one but i ddnt play then
what, bfa s1?
you mean stun it and burst it down?
i dont recall ghunnies, thats closest thing i can think of
lusty grotto
legion healer one... grievous (which lasted for 3 expansions, not just legion)
ghuunies was bfa s1
tribal wharf
also it probably helped that we had a paladin (hoj) a dk(grip) and me tauren warrior with storm bolt and shockwave and stomp
on comms
so i gues i can see why i saw that one so easily defeated
vocal cave
Id say Beguiling was the worst one but I may project my hatred for Benthic Gear onto the entire tier
tribal wharf
vocal cave
I played havoc season one so yeah it may had been
dusky canopy
Sanguine is the bane of my existence when I’m tanking
lusty grotto
sanguine is the bane of everyone's existence
@south zealot u watching dorki and jb?
LOL
JB is raging at NW TPs
xyronic also with them
south zealot
<@413532942762246144> u watching dorki and jb?
workge
lusty grotto
dorki just said what we keep saying about VDH
"its a combinations of factors, also VDH feels stinky without tier"
tribal wharf
i mean, its like, isnt there a meme about beta illidian elf form vs gigachad illidan demon form
or like some phonk YT video of him doin some evil stuff being bad ass
its kinda like, the demon thing is cool, and its just like, its the entire thing they are
regal summit
Hello for m+ do i go for offensive or defensive trinkets or 1 of each?
lusty grotto
offensive if low key
dreadplates is defensive but does giga damage
so its a good one to have that serves 2 purposes
regal summit
okay and at what key level should i go for defensiv?
regal summit
got 4 bullions and need to decide wich trinkets to buy
lusty grotto
do farm BH for treemouth though
regal summit
okay so maybe buy the plate trinket and farm bh?
lusty grotto
dreadplates, all totem, anvil are solid buys
lusty grotto
all of them do great damage
sure, but so does your helm enchant
and gholak
and shadowflame patches
lusty grotto
LFR amirdrassil and youll get it fast
regal summit
yeah thats actully smart
lusty grotto
the enchant
regal summit
cool thanks!
lusty grotto
queues might be slow but just keep at it
regal summit
❤️
waxen frigate
gnarlroot needs to die first
You should kill gnarlroot NOW
lusty grotto
no u
iron pumice
is dreadplate vs rageheart just preference? seem like similar defensive and damage in one trinket or do they have different strengths defensively?
lusty grotto
believe it or not
VDH wowhead guide has a breakdown
but nome too lazy to copy them
dreadplate is just a billion times better for damage
and defensively its not as good
which doesnt mean its strong in its own right
tl;dr
Offensively: Dreadplates > Rageheart
Defensively: Treemouth > Rageheart
rageheart is just literally "mid"
iron pumice
ill check out their breakdown too then, thank you! looking for more damage than defensives as im a casual this season so i have my answer i think
iron pumice
Thinking ahead for next bullion, Augury simming really well for me; competitive with anvil, but anvil wins out by under 1% on most sims ive ran, if I don’t chain pull consistently is augury the better option then even though it’s RNG? I wasn’t sure if that was making sims misleading in aoe, I know in short ST fights it pumps.
lusty grotto
augury is sim bait
its heavy rng
all totem is a better option as a passive trinket
also make sure youre simming correctly:
ST = 3 mins / 5 mins 1 target Patchwerk
M+/AOE = 1.5 / 1 mins 5 target Patchwerk
but yes, to answer your question, like i mentioned its simbait, it can either result in close to sim numbers or completely under it
buy it at your own risk
patent schooner
somehow my war is siming boon high, is it bait?, i love to use it on my outlaw rogue tho? 1.5min 5target pw
patent schooner
i see
lusty grotto
and you will get back clapped
patent schooner
not even preactively doing anthg about it?
lusty grotto
which means you wont be able to block/parry
patent schooner
oh
patent schooner
me and my pals just be doing 10's so im kinda bored not having a dps trink
south zealot
its not bait in the sense it does less damage than it looks (unless you die during it which is pretty likely lol)
lusty grotto
shrug i mean you can use it in vault keys
south zealot
grieftorch anvil and signet brand are the really strong dps trinkets
lusty grotto
you can run anything in vault keys
patent schooner
grieftorch anvil and signet brand are the really strong dps trinkets
i thought the same ye
love grieftorch so maybe will go that
lusty grotto
use preemptively cause if your dps is just deleting mobs it'll go off after they die
too bad, it owns
it owns this much
patent schooner
ill have to considered for sure then
lusty grotto
scratch boon, ruby and augury from that list and you got a solid list of trinkets for AOE
those 3 = sim bait
patent schooner
dreadplate is seconds highest on sims ye
patent schooner
maybe next week will get it
lusty grotto
we do not use hectic add cleave or dungeon slice
patent schooner
ye i just did that
lusty grotto
our APL does NOT fully support it
patent schooner
so wait
i never know how to sim is it:
5min 5 targets pw
or 1.5 min 5 targets pw
im really confused to what comes on sims
patent schooner
and i only m+
lusty grotto
shorter = m+
old flame
Trying to decide my buy this week, I have an awakened anvil and a heroic treemouth & dread plates
patent schooner
fair enough
lusty grotto
3/5 = Raid
old flame
Any thoughts? Rings wep/shield sorted
lusty grotto
do you have rings?
we're at the point where you can pretty much buy anything
get a grieftorch, an all totem
etc
old flame
Yeah rings are done
old flame
Why did i think it wasn't 🤔
lusty grotto
cause whetstone existed
probably 🙂
it was a top trinket for sure, but Whestone shit on everything
old flame
I do like having an on use
old flame
(my healers are not the best and my off tank likes to die...)
Maybe get all totem and swap dread plates instead of anvil...
lusty grotto
mm for raiding, thats kind of a bad option
old flame
Keep tree?
lusty grotto
anvil/signet for raiding are the top
or grieftorch
ESPECIALLY if your other tank likes to die 😎
free resets
old flame
Lol
lusty grotto
there are no off tanks anymore lol so i corrected that
merry sluice
pugs are an absolute anomaly that defy logic
lusty grotto
they are particularly bad this week
old flame
Also why is rageheart bad buy? Like I understand that it probably is, just wondering the reason
lusty grotto
id imagine its only gonna get worse as we go through the season
merry sluice
e.e
Try one BH on an alt: Rando shaman loses his mind on me fro 'pulling a rot singer when we dont have a dispel' he just went full zug zug aoeing everything while i was grouping and chain lightnings the rotsinger patrol
Go to the next BH after he leaves, hunter dies twice on first boss on fort week
third one, ret paladin pulls all the casters in the middle in one go, trying to kite 500 miles away from the biters
It wasn't even sanguine or incorp related
awful awful time to work on alts
old flame
🫡
lusty grotto
yikers
ive had a few interesting ones on my ret pally
but i could carry, i gotta do VDH keys now and im not looking forward to it
lusty grotto
lol
merry sluice
Trying to pug keys on anything that isn’t my pally just feels like pain now
But I don’t wanna ONLY play my pally just bc pugs can’t play the game lmfao
lusty grotto
probably getting torch this week and signet next week on it
pretty much set defensively
i suppose i could run a hard mode doti, but i doubt there will be any groups at this point
merry sluice
I only managed to find a single hard mode DOTI group all season, and it was like one of the first weeks x.x
lusty grotto
also i just realized im missing a meta gem
wait
i had the wrong helm
LOL
i had a myth fully upgraded one in the bags
lusty grotto
its fort week 
merry sluice
That's even worse
how?
i guess i had hutner die twice, once throutgh rallying cry on first boss BH so nothing shocks me anymore
lusty grotto
i also had to reset vex lol
cause they died
jesus
i should upload these logs
these are 8 and 9s
for vault
i also dont understand why people faceless ire when theres absolutely ZERO damage coming to me instead of getting their friends
its so weird
might as well cast it on themselves idk
does way more
merry sluice
A fun one I saw in an 8 nelth the other day
Was the priest healer out dpsing the destrolock in aoe consistently
They only tied in ST bc people stood in dumb enough in bosses for the healer to have to heal
lusty grotto
lol
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W38KCzaLAHDGc9nh these are my pally's keys from yesterday
had to put that title
i guess ill up pt2 after im done
lusty grotto
lol
knotty stump
Do we have a haste cap?
lusty grotto
not that you can get to this season
since we get bullion rings
and if youre asking about remix, caps dont matter
violet ginkgo
people die to tree boss
this still happen a lot though D:
merry sluice
5th fortified halls bricked bc people wanna permakite frogs in narnia and never bring them in, nor stack
merry sluice
yh markers helped four
doesnt so much when the healer of all people runs away D:
pallid quiver
I've gotten into the habit of, the instant frogs are all close, treating hops as top prio interrupts to stun/fear/etc
oh
i'm thinking wrong frogs, but
Still technically the same idea
merry sluice
in AV?
pallid quiver
Particularly in vault key land
merry sluice
yeah i try to stop those frogs as much as possible too just bc i ahve ranged in all my pugs that love to max range other side sof the room xD
pallid quiver
Yeah, I was thinking of AV frogs, but Halls poison frogs are the same boat to me
merry sluice
and its pure chaos if they jump
pallid quiver
frogs are just scary, man, they get close to them and they're range, so they gotta be in range, not melee
What do you mean the big frog eats the small frogs? he'll eat me, too
merry sluice
when i was pushing on my paladin,. from like day one pugs got the memo
but at this point int he season people will jump into keys without a care fro the mechs it seems.
Still just feels...earlier
I felt like in prior seasons the "i dont give a fuck about mechanics or strats" atitude only showed up in like the last few weeks so its really tilting ;-;
Also omg I did not realize how much I miss being able to carry clueless pugs on paladin
merry sluice
on a Semi-related topic, part of me wants to try titanic throw to help grouping with impatient pugs
But I feel like if it turns out to feel nice, then I'ma really hate it next season when its gone lol
Does titanic help as much for zugzug happiness as I think it might?
pallid quiver
Depends how zug we talkin'
For how zug the DPS I've seen,
absolutely not, they're going anyway
echo egret
I'm finding Titanic Throw a fantastic tool.
pallid quiver
Moderate amount of pre-prep? Yeah, it'll actually help with a few paps here and there
The most notable thing is that, technically, it can reduce your pulling options, since you get a CD on heroic throw, so you can't spam multiple packs with heroic throw to gather quickly
but if you're concerned about aggro on pull at all, that's not really something you care about
pallid quiver
That's 6 seconds in comparison to just being able to chuck one every GCD, and you still have access to your taunt off GCD, which makes grouping a lot easier, but like I mentioned,
if you're losing aggro while gathering in the first place, gathering efficiently like that is not your concern
merry sluice
its not so much a gathering issue im running into, as more a
"shaman/hunter wants to full send it on a pack I just barely even looked at, let alone had a single sword fly into..." problem that im finding
which i feel is partially bc im at that lvl of keys on this alt rn...
pallid quiver
yeah no titanic throw ain't gonna do shit if they full send
Using Enha as an example; Flame Shock into Lava Lash to spread flame shocks to prep for burst with Prim Wave? Good and dandy.
Enha full blasting that primodrial wave cleaved LB on the word go? that's a dead mail child
merry sluice
sometimes the word go isnt even uttered lmfao
I guess Ill just have to wait until i feel comfy in higher keys on the spec and watch dps learn their patience naturally
echo egret
Well when DPS are trigger happy, my line is "any DPS dying in the first 5s of a pull, is a DPS issue" but pugs don't like it usually.
merry sluice
Ik that's typically a dps issue usually, but I often feel bad when it happens anyways x.x
Nothing will top the dk gripping mobs away from me, and in the opposite direction from where we're running in Neltharus, planting in his DND, then abom limbing while im pulling to chains though
not that that has happened again, only seen that one once...
but its living in my mind rent free, bc everytime he did it he died, then the healer blamed himself lol
pallid quiver
If a DK grips something, followed by them dying, I never feel bad for them in the slightest
pallid quiver
I can only pray that healer learns the same lesson
pallid quiver
I've seen it happen more than a few times; I've also seen them grip and taunt a mob, die, then blame me for aggro
that actually happened in my very first M+ key back in Legion with two DKs in the same key, even
merry sluice
definitely more from mainly spamming pugs, but I feel a little naked without ranged options like judgement+avenger's shield for those super impatient DPS. Even despite pally's lack of mobility
merry sluice
that actually happened in my very first M+ key back in Legion with _two_ DKs in ...
both dks were taunting? idek how to process that
pallid quiver
If you can, LOS around a corner and ping; people have actually been pretty receptive to that
That's not always possible in places like Nokhud, where you're, uh
In the middle of a giant, empty ass field,
But if you can do it, it helps a lot
merry sluice
closest I had was actually this season in an RLP
Group wanted to skip second rock bc bolstering and walking out of a circle is way too hard of a combination IG
catch it on a bad pat, wait a few moments
its getting ready to walk away, druid taunts it, walks it rigth onto the party, then melds
was then shocked when the entire party is in combat with it
jagged gust
on a Semi-related topic, part of me wants to try titanic throw to help grouping ...
So the one downside is it acts like chain lightning, so you can unintentionally pull extra groups/bosses depending on how it arcs
It really is a fun tool, but takes care to use
ionic moth
Guys im new to prot was playing arms before i feel like there is stuff missing to deal dmg…like a filler attack to generate rage
jagged pier
no not really, you basically just press SS and TC nowadays every gcd
blazing condor
you got like 70 cpm
jagged pier
very occationally revenge when u have nothing to press
blazing condor
so youre not really missing
jagged pier
if u feel the rotation is missing somthing very likely u are playing incorrectly
blazing condor
pwarr runs like a feedback loop so you need to spend rage to gain rage, and spending rage gives you cooldown reduction on important abilities that in turn generate more rage/dmg
so you kinda just have to learn how the whole thing works
median tulip
Don't foget to use Avatar and Demo and Ravager on CD for Rage generation too
blazing condor
and shield charge
median tulip
and Charge
ionic moth
Ok
frosty mango
Once you get enough haste the only thing you’ll feel is missing is more fingers to press the buttons fast enough
plush path
no not really, you basically just press SS and TC nowadays every gcd
how much dps do u do on avg
timid jasper
As a new tank I’m a bit slower but also personally a bit more methodical, it’s actually kind of cool to see the other players get on board… when they rush ahead but then wait for you to aggro 😭
faint mesa
guys how do you deal with tank buster in m+ with some 3min defensive cooldown
ionic moth
I did a +2 was doing 300k
pallid quiver
guys how do you deal with tank buster in m+ with some 3min defensive cooldown
You just press your buttons until they're 1 min CDs
faint mesa
For exemple like what would you be your defensive rotation for peck
The tank buster of second boss aca
strong forum
There's not much of a rotation
Since peck is so incredibly frequent
You wanna send pretty much everything on cd
As often as you can
Just don't wanna overlap too many at once
You also want a plan for the deafening screech overlap of high stacks (4/5) + peck (if that does come to play)
Meaning you want to send shieldwall very early on to get it back quickly
There's not much planning going on for that boss besides "make sure to have IP stacked up for the hit of peck"
And be in defensive stance
Having evokers makes the boss a joke because they can remove that bleed every 1 min
oblique garnet
Having evokers makes the boss a joke because they can remove that bleed every 1 ...
Speaking of can you use sl phial to remove bleeds or was that limited to lvls?
_kyrian phials
strong forum
Can't use them outside of SL zones
strong forum
You can't use template characters
So you're not part of a covenant
And I seriously doubt they will be enabled
Cuz that'd be turbo dumb
median tulip
are there any bleeds in MoTS or NW anyway?
faint mesa
Do you guys stance dance ? Or it’s not that much worth the effort
strong forum
I stance dance alot
median tulip
Do you guys stance dance ? Or it’s not that much worth the effort
For some specific mechanics, yes
strong forum
It's one of the few skill expressions left
I sit primarily in b-stance and for when stuff seems/is dangerous I swap to d-stance until no longer necessary
median tulip
any point where you're not going to be in melee for several second for whatever reason (Sarkareth bombs, Echo kickback, Smolderon Bomb) or where there's a high damage event (Chargath chains) it's worth using
I D-Stance a lot more in raids than dungeons TBH
mellow bridge
are there any bleeds in MoTS or NW anyway?
there's a fox in the maze that jumps on rnd people and applies a nasty bleed but I dont remember if it went on the tank
also it should always be stopped anyways in a coordinated group
median tulip
I don't remember it, and I ran that dungeon a lot for guildies wanting the trinket
mellow bridge
the mobs at the beginning also jump at people and apply a bleed but only if youre at range so that's irrelevant for us
strong forum
That fox will clap anyone who touches it
mellow bridge
yeah it starts oneshotting with the initial very quickly lmao
median tulip
It freezes you iirc
You're thinking of the one in the second boss fight
strong forum
Ye
Mists fox doesn't go after tank
Freeze fox goes after the closest target when it spawned
And starts to fixate
iirc
strong forum
Either way NW has some naaasty bleeds
median tulip
that's just asking for trouble
old swallow
Just been looking at some of the BIS gear. I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything (i'm newish if you havent guessed).
Both Icy veins and Wow head suggest Seal of Diurna's chosen as a ring. Do prot warriors do fire dmg that im not aware of?
mellow bridge
Just been looking at some of the BIS gear. I'm still trying to wrap my head arou...
weapon, head enchant, embellishment
enough to make it worth
strong forum
Head enchant, trinkets, embellishment, weapon
median tulip
Just been looking at some of the BIS gear. I'm still trying to wrap my head arou...
Trinkets, Gholak
old swallow
i've got gholak, is shadowflame and fire dmg the same then? cheers for your answers
strong forum
Yes
median tulip
Shadowflame is Fire AND Shadow
strong forum
^
old swallow
perfect, thank you
median tulip
The double type damages are going to become much more relevant in TWW, with Warriors doing a lot more Stormstrike (Nature & Physical) damage as Mountain Thane
old swallow
is there somewhere i can go to see the breakdown of all damage types?
mellow bridge
mh i dont know of any updated source that includes the newish stuff like shadowflame or radiant
it rarely matters nowadays tbh
median tulip
Radiant = Fire & Holy
Stormstrike = Nature & Physical
Frostfire = Frost & Fire (duh)
Shadowflame = Shadow and Fire
Spellstrike = Arcane & Physical
Astral = Nature & Arcane
Spellfire = Arcane & Fire
Spellfrost = Arcane & Frost
Divine = Arcane & Holy
Holy Strike = Holy & Physical
Volcanic = Nature & Fire
Froststorm = Frost & Nature
Holystorm = Nature & Holy
Plague = Nature & Shadow
Twilight = Shadow & Holy
Chaos = Everything (Demon Hunters are such total bullshit)
Cosmic = Arcane & Holy & Nature & Shadow
I might have missed one or two
Some of them are really really rarely used these days
unkempt hazel
old swallow
appreciate the effort into doing that, thank you
median tulip
You have to feel bad for Ele Shaman. Their whole thing is elemental damage and they don't get any of that shit
toxic pewter
I think flame shock is volcanic dam iirc
mellow bridge
Primordial Wave/Elemental blast is also elemental damage
toxic pewter
sometime in dragonflight thats for sure
mellow bridge
whatever that means
toxic pewter
wait lol
theres a damage type literally called elemental?
XD
didnt even realize that
mellow bridge
yeah
median tulip
Shows how little I've played my Shaman this expansion... they really need some love
unkempt hazel
Shows how little I've played my Shaman this expansion... they really need some l...
expecting love for shamans
median tulip
An entire expansion about primal elementalists, and Shaman got jack shit interaction
unkempt hazel