Ahh… shiet the affix kicks in early again? I mean this time it’s on 5 and 10. Later on will be 4 and 7? 
#protection
violet ginkgo
pallid quiver
4 will be the new affixes, 7 will be Raging/Bolstering/Bursting/Sanguine
plush path
you need to improve your shield block uptime
thats me right
pallid quiver
So you won't have to actively do something about an affix until +7s
plush path
so i need to spam way more ss and focus on sb more
pallid quiver
You're not pressing as many buttons as necessary in general; you casted less than a button a second, when you can easily surpass 60 CPM
lusty grotto
thats what i can take from it at first glance, i can go over it more in depth
yes, read what Luerce said
plush path
i think i also have a haste issue
pallid quiver
Haste won't affect that at all
You're just not pressing buttons in the first place
plush path
i meant sb uptime
pallid quiver
Haste matters even less for that unless you have ITF
pallid quiver
If you have ITF, you'll have to play very carefully with that amount, but it's better to just run HR probably
lusty grotto
i cant check your talents cause you dont have advanced combat logging on in that log
pallid quiver
It's not letting me check your talents, but I see you have BSV selected since it healed you;
plush path
pallid quiver
Do you have Bolster, then?
pallid quiver
You need to press a lot more Last Stand if you're using Bolster
lusty grotto
toggle this
pallid quiver
You used it 5 times when it's a 2 min CD that gives you shield block
plush path
it was my friends
pallid quiver
They're also not sending Avatar on CD I wager, or it's suffering from a lack of button pressing in general, since they only had like 25% uptime
They could have just gotten more casts of everything in general by sending CDs on CD properly and not waiting seven years between casts
Tell them to use Int Shout if they're going to talent in to it
If they're going to use Disrupting as Int Shout, as if it has the same CD and everything, tell them to put Int Shout on their Disrupting Bind and change the point to Bloodsurge
That change would have literally improved everything they did passively, for free
also they need to send IP
like, at all
That's at least 18 full rage bars sent to the void for zero reason
merry sluice
for bolstered shit
Just wait for fortified reckless bolstering week ;D
grim pilot
I mostly play prot
sometimes arms but mostly just playing prot since I dont trust tanks
plush path
If they're going to use Disrupting as Int Shout, as if it has the same CD and ev...
can the point be put into bloodborne for more heal from deep wounds?
pallid quiver
can the point be put into bloodborne for more heal from deep wounds?
The more rage would be more damage and survival than that absolutely miniscule amount, but technically with how they're playing, Bloodborne would probably be worth more considering how much rage they're overcapping.
They should just press IP more
pallid quiver
Bloodsure gives rage, which you can use to cycle your CDs, meaning more Shield Wall, more Avatar, more Indom healing, etc
violet ginkgo
15+ CPM on shield slam
15+ CPM and SB uptime above 90%?
strong forum
of buying gholak
Ya it's defo my next bullion, since at this point I'm doing more prot than arms keys
violet ginkgo
Just train the protcake to tank it for you.
grim pilot
@south zealot wrong tank to main 
nome got cucked so bad
he died on 2 biggest pulls
of the dungeon
south zealot
why ur dh do more damage than mine
south zealot
513
south zealot
i played this and only did 300k 
south zealot
no they dont
i was told in #1230008383856316437 they do idk man
south zealot
yes bro idk how to play this spec
strong forum
VDH turbo shits on pwar and brew dmg
strong forum
like lmao
strong forum
fenza does like 470k dps in BH without even trying to go for overall
grim pilot
in fiery windows
grim pilot
ascending is good yeah
idk the math behind
but with ascending
u can just stack sofs
strong forum
ascending is bugged
grim pilot
and immo extends
strong forum
and also buffs tierset flare up dmg
south zealot
our tier set does damage?
grim pilot
2-3%
south zealot
holy
south zealot
is it on details or does it go under sof damage
grim pilot
I never read vdh tier set
strong forum
yes
south zealot
LMAOOO same
south zealot
ohhh i thought that was initial
strong forum
no
south zealot
myrtu ur sigil cooked mine
south zealot
my name says i cant read tooltips nomer
grim pilot
I just pull more
grim pilot
pull bigger choco
strong forum
is true
south zealot
IMS CARED
grim pilot
BIG DAM
dense cradle
Me when I go into lower pug keys on some rat alt
“I have no gear so dont complain the pulls arent massive”
I did watch a vdh play spirit bomb but none of the other talents that buff it.
crystal iris
am i in the wrong channel or something?
grim pilot
no clue I just dont know whats better
we swapped roles with nome and now im floor POV'ing in his key
strong forum
how big is cycle of binding for damage
very very little
thats actually such a good clip
grim pilot
yeah
still tho
I mean its bright here
but idk
it legit looks like middle of the day
south zealot
LMAOOO i have it is chad as fuck
strong forum
during night
south zealot
i thought it would be myrtu
strong forum
south zealot
bro i pressed grieftorch and had the avengers assemble to help me
strong forum
sir
grim pilot
i thought it would be myrtu
I dont log 8s enough
south zealot
yeah idk why its broken it sjust based aui
south zealot
how is it only on those 2
strong forum
sometimes it do be fucky
south zealot
i almost died like 6 times bc i used my spikes terribly
south zealot
farming crests is unbelievably boring
south zealot
i did enough wyrms to get my weapons trinkets ring helmet and chest
and then i got bored and gave up
strong forum
see thats why i played my 3 chars since week 1
grim pilot
@south zealot
strong forum
and cleared heroic on all of em
grim pilot
I made mage week 2
strong forum
my shama was 515 before entering keys
grim pilot
yeah no chains
idk like I honestly dont care if its the best talent point or what
chains is such a fun button to press
that idc
grim pilot
unless im legit trying to min max efficiency
per talent point
or whatever
ill always play chains
strong forum
thats literally the best reason to play anything
fun
like i played all the arms keys
as jugg
and not BS
south zealot
what if im not scared but also bad
strong forum
LR is brain off mode
grim pilot
I've watched tjuan
do an extensive review of the talent
pros and cons
etc
I still wouldnt play it rn idk
not feelin
strong forum
yes tjuan has improved alot
since SL
he had dumb takes back then but got better and better and is now a good boye
south zealot
its av i just polay lr
grim pilot
I didnt agree with 1 take
south zealot
dont need dam
strong forum
AV you play double brand
grim pilot
about him saying he doesnt need chains anywhere
strong forum
grim pilot
and that nobody plays it
grim pilot
everybody plays it from what I've checked
grim pilot
the no chains thing?]
strong forum
no i mean double brand for AV
strong forum
grim pilot
yoda been playing it for a while
strong forum
south zealot
man im sad i just super inted my key
i forgot i took off vengeful retreat
and died bc i tried to use it
potent anvil
i almost died like 6 times bc i used my spikes terribly
south zealot
dense cradle
Idk I play ftd because im bad at spike management.
south zealot
immo aura pain bringer and soulcrush
fiery brand is like shield wall
but also an offensive cd
grim pilot
Immo aura so strong
crystal iris
terribel key night couldnt get anything even close to timed
strong forum
painbringer, soulcrush, spikes, parry from SoF, fel dev, brand
all of those
are your tools
crystal iris
i did that firstpull in nelth and nobody lusted...
strong forum
crystal iris
first pull of uld Im losing aggro on half the stuff before its gathered
despite SS, TC revenge TC before moving on
and there being a ravager ddown
so i got chomped a few times trying to get aggro
like 4-5 bricked nelth runs from ppl dying to magmatusk
crystal iris
or not being able to lust first pull or kick
crystal iris
i sometimes do i was too tilted tonight
grim pilot
take a break
crystal iris
yee going to bed
I usually say wait until I gather
but of course im charging all over the place trying to get aggro back to its hard to avoid the basilisks and the beserkers
btw is there a way to avoid the beserker toxic bite thing?
like how are 4 differnt groups gonna die to magmatusk
grim pilot
u can parry it
strong forum
just parry it
grim pilot
but dont think there is an actual way aside from kiting
and u cant kite
from the very start
crystal iris
even after 1 or 2 DPS go down the healer still cant keep the last dps and themselves up...
crystal iris
but dont think there is an actual way aside from kiting
ok ill just pull the one then and stoneform it off
its not dispellable right?
strong forum
ya
grim pilot
its just slow
strong forum
hold stoneform for the basilik bite
grim pilot
its not a dps dot
crystal iris
mm ok
crystal iris
fk that chomp
ive gotten pretty good at playing ring around the pillar like a retar
or just stutter stepping when its not too chaotic
crystal iris
same
strong forum
im good at kiting
crystal iris
im too much of a DPS at heart
grim pilot
also the fact u dont have anything aside from hamstring
doesnt encourage me
to start kiting
piercing howl too expensive
crystal iris
first pull of nelth im like this is fine 12 stacks of bolstering but it doesnt seem to hurt that much
grim pilot
good
crystal iris
then one of the mobs will do the tank buster and its like OUPS there goes cheat
strong forum
thats why you lose threat
grim pilot
blazing slash
now imagine this
I had d stance
IP
shield wall
and it still didnt even proc my cheat
crystal iris
its like you dont know how much things will hurt until they hit
grim pilot
maybe spellblock too
cant remember
shit was bolstered out of the mind
u cant parry blazing slash from wardens can u
crystal iris
and the melees dont hurt but that brutal strike comes down and just rocks me
grim pilot
idk it didnt hurt me at all
maybe I just parried them all
I had giga bolstered brutal strikes on 16 and 17 today
crystal iris
idk it was a 14 with like 12 stacks of bolstering
crystal iris
every now and then one would knock me down by half
who casts that
oh the wardens
maybe I was that I didnt think to spell block that pull
idk its a hard pull to do with all the CC it required
sometimes the group does it well, sometimes everyone hits cc at the same time and then we have nothin
jagged gust
Spell block goes hard in nelth overall, but is huge for those mobs specifically
strong forum
spellblock is exclusively for Chargath and Blazing slash
outside of that spellblock is irrelevant in neltharus
south zealot
its jsut basically mandatory for those 2 things
strong forum
ye
jagged gust
ye
grim pilot
ye
south zealot
why do ppl never talk in keys
i am literally just talking to myself if i ever type
so lonely
lusty grotto
ye
i just did your route on a 16
molten core went off
LOL
super fast deplete
did 15
chargath killed sp twice
down to a 14
welp
time to sleep i guess
my nelth key 😢
lusty grotto
yeah
i always tell myself that 😢
im thinking about running the 14 but idk
nah fuck it its the last day all im gonna get are some baddy last minute trash pandas
south zealot
wtf bro chocotwo is a panda
lusty grotto
but the good kind
of trash panda
also did a 16 RLP
that i dont fucking remember what happened
oh right
1st boss wipe pretty much
then on the 15
"skipping 1st mob as usual"
i say this
had a ret pally, didnt invis pot ran straight into the juggy
insta dc
LOL
everyone was like hooo boy
blacklisted in 0.5 seconds flat
monday night keys everyone 😄
also realized i didnt do a mythic pug so no chance at gnarl shield
💤
south zealot
cant wait to wake up to sanguine week
dense cradle
painbringer, soulcrush, spikes, parry from SoF, fel dev, brand
yeah i just feel i play it wrong sometimes
not dumping fury on more soulcleaves with 0 souls
strong forum
there can be alot of nuance as vdh
but in aoe you just turbo dump into spiritbomb
cuz in large pulls you get shitloads of souls from immo and sof
and in ST you just turbo spam SC
and dont press spb
dense cradle
oh right the initial hit
dense cradle
there can be alot of nuance as vdh
might also be me not as used to a spec that can yoyo on hp dramatically
strong forum
yes
dense cradle
Yeah I do not have the confidence to play a full damage build like 1/2 pain, no ftd, no calcified
#protection message basically that but with pain point put into furnace
sick sentinel
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1249934931384...
spike is ceremonial
just play vdh as if playing dps
also in aoe youre capping energy no matter what so unless youre like
dying
dw about dumping SC
you spam sc in aoe simply to get stacks
other than that just spb
strong forum
sick sentinel
hey blizz made me play vdh by banning my warrior account 2 weeks into the season
then lift the ban after i gear up my vdh
sick sentinel
real story btw
i didnt even bother to appeal
just randomly got banned, then randomly got unbanned
didnt return the game time also
dollar company tbh
but its whatever
blazing condor
L
sick sentinel
hey at least they sincerely apologized for the mistake lol
merry sluice
man
blizzard so dedicated to keeping VDH blatantly OP
they ban you for tanking on anything that isnt VDH
hearty stump
Is there some sort of tech to avoiding piercing shards from stacking in AV? Spell block?
proud silo
stun, fear or leap away from it
jagged pier
stunning the mobs
hearty stump
isn't it 100yd range?
merry sluice
almost positive it can also be line fo sighted on the outcroppings on the walls
proud silo
might be right on that, thought i'd leaped out of it - it can def be losed though
hearty stump
almost positive it can also be line fo sighted on the outcroppings on the walls
huhhhh??
merry sluice
if you pull them close enough to the part of the wall jutting out, wait for it to frontal, then walk to the otherside
hearty stump
that's huge
blazing condor
almost positive it can also be line fo sighted on the outcroppings on the walls
yeah p sure ppl do that
if needed
merry sluice
so u break line of sight between u and the fury
hearty stump
I'll try that
blazing condor
if you've done the big pull in the beginning with the extra lashers in the next room you can LOS there
strong forum
the goal is to kill them before they kill you
but before that you CC them
with stuns/knockups etc
hearty stump
So you're basically on a timer then
And if you're in a group that doesn't CC them you basically fall over?
blazing condor
shit hurts
dont have CDs forever
but with time more mobs around it will die
so its not a 1:1 timer where it gets more difficult
hearty stump
on bolstering?
blazing condor
yea in that case
strong forum
And if you're in a group that doesn't CC them you basically fall over?
Then you're in a bad group
And as m+ is a group activity
blazing condor
if i get in a group where no one CCs those then we're gonna be playing death roulette
strong forum
Ykno
blazing condor
we spinning those mobs and we all go down
merry sluice
dw if they dont cc those boys
you k now they're gonna be the same people that drop slimes off in narnia
then run to outside with it lol
strong forum
Ya like, you can only CC them so much
Like, stormbolt 1, shield charge 1
That's 2 stopped
Then you can shockwave, maybe if you're lucky you can get 2 at the same time
Thats 4 stopped
Then you can intim shout
Maybe stop 2 more
hearty stump
if i get in a group where no one CCs those then we're gonna be playing death rou...
lmao
strong forum
Then you need to rotate defensive cds and pray the pull is over before lust runs out
That should get you until uuuh 18s
If you have an Aug in the group or any kind of evoker, they're likely to press aoe stops aswell
Shaman (good ones) can stop all of them 3 times in a row
With just stun totem + restun totem + thunderfuck
merry sluice
thunderfuck
strong forum
Thunderfuck is only 22-25sec CD
So they better be using that shit often
It's the single most OP aoe stop
Cuz it's quite large range and just disgustingly short cd
(I've never seen a pug shaman use it)
hearty stump
Alright. But essentially up to 18s I should be able to survive them without much help whilst I have my CDs running?
strong forum
Depends how much dmg your group has
But I meant more the praying part
Works until high keys
I had to tank 7 stacks of the debuff in a 16 once
Farmed like 8 deaths on first pull
But it's still worth, and the timer is turbo free
hearty stump
So you're basically trying to CC everything after the first 3 debuffs?
3 -> stop -> 3 more -> stop
Or just
literally everything
strong forum
It's more important to stop the small flowers
And by doing that
You will also stop the big fucks
Cuz if you don't stop the flowers, everyone dies
hearty stump
Yeah, that's also true. But then you get desynced with stopping the furies, no?
strong forum
It do be like that
Gotta play around that fact
And be ready for it
With your single stops
And again, just praying that your group also develops braincells during the pull
hearty stump
I'm kind of trying to see what's the point where I actually need help and where I'm just being bad and the class actually has the capabilities to pull through without requiring help
strong forum
That's
hearty stump
Because out of all of the keys, it feels like arcane furies are the things that give me the most ptsd
strong forum
I mean I'm also scared of them cuz they're our exact weakness
But like
How well you can brute force things is also a group effort
Do you have big damage to kill them in 20seconds?
Or does it take 1+ min?
M+ isn't black and white where the only factor that matters is how well you as a tank can play
hearty stump
There is the point of how well can you rotate your defensives and stops before it becomes a problem or requires external input. If say you go in solo in a +16, how long could you personally survive that pack
strong forum
40seconds?
Maybe longer?
But that is also alot easier to manage cuz you know nobody will interfere
So you can sync up everything yourself
And stop everything
Perfectly well
Like here is my av 16 from a week ago
hearty stump
I'mma be honest. Tanking is fucking daunting transitioning from arms. I'm dropping 16s as arms and I got bitchslapped on a 12 by those furies
strong forum
Tanking ain't easy as a newcomer
hearty stump
Okay, that's something I'm going over in detail
torn gust
I'mma be honest. Tanking is fucking daunting transitioning from arms. I'm droppi...
i save my shockwave, fear, and stormbolts for the furies frontal.
hearty stump
i save my shockwave, fear, and stormbolts for the furies frontal.
Yeah, I think I just need to get the rotation down
sick sentinel
With just stun totem + restun totem + thunderfuck
youll have to paypal for a shaman to blow totem recall for that
sick sentinel
oh
sick sentinel
ez
jagged pier
blazing condor
when you got a pug group that actually stuns but they all stun at once
then u got no more stuns
jagged pier
nah thats chill
because u wait for 8 seconds for dr to wear off
then u have control
blazing condor
is DR based on stuns in a row
or amount of stuns
if 10 stuns go off for 1 ability they shouldnt be DR'd no
strong forum
Stun DRs are very simple
Each time you stun a mob, the next successive stun within 18 seconds is 50% less effective
With the 4th stun being 0% effective
Aka 3 stuns, then immune for 18s
If you stun - wait 10s - stun again you reset the stun DR back to 0s
So you gotta wait 18sec again
violet ginkgo
Whoa first time I heard there is too much crit hahaha
rigid hull
and i dont wanna swap out my crafted ring
i can change neck tho to lose crit for mastery
rigid hull
damn bruh i can ? 💀
violet ginkgo
You want to swap your crafted ring to double bullion fire ring though.
rigid hull
You want to swap your crafted ring to double bullion fire ring though.
ye ill do it tommorow true
the speed ring is big value tho
ill change the crit ring tommorow with bullion ring
EZ CLAP
do u think i should go lower on crit? @strong forum
i got a mastery haste neck i can swap
violet ginkgo
He probably answer sim it.
rigid hull
ye i was gonna say i should sim xd
violet ginkgo
Yes 47% crit is too much to be efficient
What is the approximate efficient then?30-35?
strong forum
These are my stats
For example
Ignore that mastery is that high
That's because of 2x BSL
violet ginkgo
Giga mastery must be 2x bsl yeah
strong forum
And that haste is also buffed by ITF
torn gust
whoa alot of mastery
strong forum
For some reason wow armory displays your stats buffed
But yeah, you want like 4k crit, 6.Xk haste 2k mastery and like 3-4k vers
In a perfect world
violet ginkgo
I believe even if mastery that high you still feel some benefit from it right?
strong forum
Well yeah
blazing condor
you get parry
violet ginkgo
Survival coming from managing your CD mostly.
strong forum
Stats don't matter defensively nearly as much as they mean offensively
You can only min-max gear so much
And the impact of "defensive" stats is within margin of error
So you opt to gear what little choice you have to maximise dmg output
And given how much stats we have now
Stacking 1 stat blindly
Is just inefficient
To the point of being detrimental to you performance
rigid hull
strong forum
I believe even if mastery that high you still feel some benefit from it right?
You won't feel it as all stats have benefits
blazing condor
strong forum
While I'm above 90% hp I'm just 50% likely to crit block instead of normal block
That's it
So in that sense, bsl helps me stay above 90% hp for longer
rigid hull
omygod i cant add gems to this neck im simming im losing it
strong forum
You can
Just click the + below it
And if you wanna upgrade stuff, scroll up again and give yourself maximum flightstone and crests
rigid hull
oh
rigid hull
And if you wanna upgrade stuff, scroll up again and give yourself maximum flight...
added socket but not gems 💀
rigid hull
alright
strong forum
And then select which gems
blazing condor
it's all there just gotta find it
rigid hull
also
shoudnt ignore pain shield slam macro be
/cast shield slam then /cast ignore
insteade of
/cast ingore pain /cast shield slam
to avoid wasting fervid procs
strong forum
Well crit just Sims really fucking well yeah
You're running only 1 dmg trinket that's why vers isn't that hot
rigid hull
You're running only 1 dmg trinket that's why vers isn't *that* hot
its haste/mastery vs haste/crit
the neck swap
mastery omega shit or
my neck is crafted ill just change it to versa
i forgot its crafted
strong forum
Mastery poopy offensively
ionic nimbus
Dodge mastery and dont take cheat death. For Survival one use shield trinkets are better in pugs. Mostly when your CD proccs you’re gettin a ton of externals to safe your life…
zealous goblet
is there a limit on how often you're allowed to roll for a free revenge? i feel like the amount of procs i get is pretty low for the amount of things swinging at me
violet ginkgo
Mastery poopy offensively
I see.. I was thinking "what if I purposely also use the BSL instead of shadow tempered." but seems not that good.
radiant mortar
@lusty grotto my dk arc is probalby over
valid edge
2x bsl that good for surv? Sounds not that bad. Because the dps from 2x sf is kinda whatever, no? We take it for ring proccs i guess
violet ginkgo
at homework key 8s I think you will gain a lot of survival yes beacuse monster probably won't make you drop below 90% but I am not sure if the uptime will be good at High key/pushing. Must ask Nome about it..
jagged pier
it literally does very little for your survibility
violet ginkgo
or Jakey too since I saw him typing
jagged pier
u run BSL if u are a dps main
or if u want too but theres literally no/very little difference between BSL and shadow patch
crystal iris
is there a dam difference?
jagged pier
yer youll do less
but also very smol
as embelishments barely go anything for us
u will proc rings less as well
violet ginkgo
True proccing ring now = more damage more survival too if wear both rings
rigid hull
so if gear sims give me more damage from versa so does flask?
ps crit flask isnt 100% uptime
fickle tundra
hello, coming from Furry into Prot recently and I'm about to change from BSL into SFP
for the ring procs mostly and the consistent dmg
jagged pier
good
fickle tundra
from fury, going x2 BSL into x2 SFP is about -1%
jagged pier
ok your also not contantly taking damage as fury
violet ginkgo
plus we talking about DPS, they benefit BSL more if multi target involved.
fickle tundra
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kAXbNdEgsNY4d7hv4gDJVx -0.9% to be precise
at 50% BSL uptime which is reasonable depending on content.
tribal wharf
unless im mistaken (could be!) uproar is wrong talent
was for a while, even in last season i played in, when bleeds was important (s2, more 3)
tribal wharf
last i checked, most of us don't play overwhelming rage and instead play crushing force
we don't constantly gain say 80 rage
so its easy to maintain rage
we dont need an overhead
fickle tundra
the sim is fine, I wouldnt worry about it, its been discussed to the ground on #fury
tribal wharf
oh, its fury lul, i thought that was prot tree
fickle tundra
and the point is that going SFP is a minimal hit on fury DPS so if you go Fury/Prot, BSL is most likely not the play in difficult content.
plush tendon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kAXbNdEgsNY4d7hv4gDJVx -0.9% to be precis...
I did a key with you like 2 days ago!
I remember that Gnome Warrior anywhere
absolute chad
crystal iris
ok your also not contantly taking damage as fury
im sure in anything below 12 I take less damage as prot than as DPS
jagged pier
may haps
crystal iris
health bar dont move
but then again I probably use more IP that you looking at the damage meters you post in here lol
jagged pier
i mean looking at an 8 i did i only have 77% uptime of BSL
so the higher u go the less it will be
it dips lower more than u think
crystal iris
thats still more than as DPS but I guess its an 8
I probably let SB and IP drop in 8s for more revenges tho
jagged pier
i mean u shouldnt really revenge its not more damage
plush tendon
SS and TClap are the prios
and IP is the off gcd rage spender
IP also procs the tier set more
and more rage spent, means more Avatar
I think I only really revenge with a free proc
rigid hull
hmm doenst seem to be my fault ? 💀
this is alot of damage
i gotta be displled faster idk
rigid hull
we had monk and priest
mellow bridge
41 stacks no dispell is wild 
jagged pier
be dwarf 🤷
jagged pier
crude scaffold
I dont remember if priests can do poison or not
Priests cannot dispel poison. Only disease and magic.
fickle tundra
I did a key with you like 2 days ago!
its smol work but its honest ❤️
fickle tundra
yeah no, that's not survivable w/o a poison cleanse.
rigid hull
versa being better
nvm the opposite
unkempt hazel
It was a 13 RLP and I was the VDH
u were what
https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531
jagged pier
aug is a meta slave dont mind him
unkempt hazel
😔
crystal iris
I guess the damage from this sucks?
jagged pier
I guess the damage from this sucks?
thats just a bad trinket
crystal iris
figured
violet ginkgo
I guess the damage from this sucks?
really bad because you can't control when it will be active.
crystal iris
this week is probably dreadplates buy week
unless it drops, then ill upgrade my heroic Icon to myth for arms
earnest cove
I think it’s time to bite the bullet and make a DH
Or just play what you like and ignore it
unkempt hazel
might be my least fav tank
crystal iris
maybe I'll give it a try
I've been playing prot all season and warrior for year, maybe time for a change
pugging is rough this season
topaz field
i think that is true for every single class in the game
the horrific dungeon design which requires extremly complex aoe stops
and perfect interrupts
makes the dungeons unplayable
for normal ppl
crystal iris
I mean if I see spriest or warlock in queue vs an ele shaman I know what most people are picking, myself included
topaz field
well thats a u problem tbh
crystal iris
lol im literally saying its a problem for everyone
topaz field
played a few keys with an ele shami yesterday
he was the only normal player
particularly season 2 dungeons are in the worst state the game was with regard to m+
simply a few mandatory classes
unkempt hazel
I tend to decline the meta stuff just cuz, granted I dont do high enough keys where it matters
crystal iris
I do as well, but at some point you just need a Brez and a cleanse
even if you have a brez healer 2 is better than one so why not take a ret over warrior
crystal iris
im just saying from a logical perspective
unkempt hazel
take a feral druid for second cr and ww monk for extra cleanse
crystal iris
even tho people dont realize warriors have more CC than rets
unkempt hazel
topaz field
well most pugs build terrific groups
if u are a prot war i dont see a reason to invite a dps war u limit your group by default
crystal iris
im more talking about pugging into a group as arms lets say
topaz field
i see
crystal iris
which is parly why im playing prot so much this season
unkempt hazel
im more talking about pugging into a group as arms lets say
well in that case the cc doesnt matter
tbf
with 99% groups running vdh 
man, im gearing pala alt rn doing like 2's and the amount of meta stacks I see is kinda wild
unkempt hazel
ye ye dont see those as often
but there's always at least one of the two
...
I mean 2 of the 4
dont rly count rdru
like every group has at least a mage and priest or a mage and vdh etc etc, often all 3
crystal iris
lol
unkempt hazel
and chances are, he's gon get instant invites into 10's in like a week
crystal iris
typical pug priest tbh
unkempt hazel
god bless that groups souls
yknow how I know he did that
bro had a macro to announce who he pi'd
unkempt hazel
its that week huh
crystal iris
incorp going off is 50% reduced damage and healing right?
unkempt hazel
think so yea
crystal iris
So Its either OCE, Greiftorch, Icon or Dreadplates or anvil 🙂
violet ginkgo
Hmmm anvil for long fight is good
violet ginkgo
incorp going off is 50% reduced damage and healing right?
Well if the healer and dps doesn't do something about it but... oh well Blizz doesn't give warrior something to deal with that right? so not really our problem
crystal iris
Well if the healer and dps doesn't do something about it but... oh well Blizz do...
I mean they do
We have menace
merry sluice
I mean tanks shouldn’t be doing incorp anyways
Have fun not blocking so you can cast on it. Pop goes the pally and blood
Unless you’re a vdh
I know brew can paralyze, im sure all the one brew masters will get the affix
dusky canopy
rigid yew
There are no dead weeks. Only weeks where your failure shines through. Get better noobs. 
zealous goblet
i am confronted with a difficult choice, do i choose tier pants on myth track, or a subpar trinket? if i choose the myth pants, i don't gain any ilvls immediately, but can upgrade them twices over my current ones.
if i choose the trinket, i get like 10 ilvls, and i avoid the problem i'm about to run into. my dreadplates weren't bought with bullion, they came from raid. so they have an ilvl limit of 515
lusty grotto
myth legs
this aint a difficult choice at all
do you do myth raiding?
do you have any potential chance at myth legs other than the vault?
zealous goblet
i don't, but it's gonna take 2 weeks to get new dreadplates with bullion. unless i farm brackenhide and roll with a rageheart and the splinter
zealous goblet
oh?
lusty grotto
the week after that is buy week
rigid yew
myth legs, get bullion trinket later (also dreadplates is pretty easy to get from the raid myth version cause it's first boss)
lusty grotto
thanks for repeating what i just said
rigid yew
which is up this week
zealous goblet
a lil verification never hurt nobody
rigid yew
In fact, I'm also going to be killing Mythic first boss this week in hopes I win the dreadplate drop this time. Otherwise, I'm going to bullion it.
Either way, my suggestion is to just do whatever makes the game more fun for you. I've learned a long time ago that there is no point in me playing a game I'm not having fun with. There's lots of things you can do that are "sub optimal" but are more fun and still achieve the goals you want.
rigid hull
Guys can u link the totem trinket bonuses?
lusty grotto
here we go again with that suboptimal shit
south zealot
i dont even want to play the game this week
atleast getting hit for 6 million on bolster is pretty funny
rigid yew
Guys can u link the totem trinket bonuses?
All-Totem?
this is from wowhead comment
lusty grotto
#protection message here you go with numeric values, not some random wowhead comment
south zealot
you get a stronger but shorter pi every 2 minutes
rigid yew
Wish they would provide more info on the tooltips for items such as those
south zealot
and a strength buff every 2 minutes too
rigid hull
okay
rigid yew
If you're on heroic or higher there is a short debuff placed on people (when you first enter a section) that kills if you move him to another section.
south zealot
oh dude
lusty grotto
or close to 80-90 energy (on mythic)
south zealot
my bad i read that completely wrong
rigid hull
is that fire one good dam?
south zealot
yes
waxen frigate
or close to 80-90 energy (on mythic)
You move at 97 on mythic p1 and then p2 he’s in earth the whole time
Heroic IDFK
lusty grotto
heroic is 50 energy
lusty tiger
Knish
lusty grotto
we did the whole time on all zones, im just mentioning the safe way to do it because pugs have other rules