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#protection
lusty grotto
my highest key is like 16 in SL S1
grim pilot
I had every single 22 and most 23's timed
and would sat
3 hours in que
to get invited to my last 22
lusty grotto
i just didnt give a shit about the expansion after some point
grim pilot
which would get bricked on first pull (hov)
south zealot
i think i got 3k on my dk and just stopped playing it bc i kept getting omega farmed by the last pack in jade serpent
lusty grotto
oh you mean DF s1
south zealot
whoever made that pack is my mortal enemy
strong forum
that pack was just illegal
lusty grotto
south zealot
i never got my karazhan portal lol
i completed 5 lower karazhans ever and none of them were in time
lusty grotto
hooooly
south zealot
oh wait i timed a +9 nvm
strong forum
south zealot
that key week 2 was unbelievably hard
strong forum
oh yeah
strong forum
south zealot
i mean just completing it week 2 on the firs tyran week was almost impossible
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good times
grim pilot
my s1 tank keys
south zealot
i think it was harder on na than eu bc of the boss rotation was different
south zealot
what happened
grim pilot
23 mins
lusty grotto
ahhaha
grim pilot
literally timeable
strong forum
bunch of stupid mistakes man
south zealot
rdm 
south zealot
oh yeah the auto attack thing
south zealot
man that was a fun season
strong forum
it was great
south zealot
not bad
lusty grotto
what a chad
jagged gust
didn't someone here run a 20 basically naked back in SL?
strong forum
((in a key where tank dmg doesnt exist))
there are 0 tankbusters and hardly any mobs to tank besides a handful of auto attacks
it also took him like 3 or 4 tries
earnest hollow
pretty new to tanking, is this normal for +7s?
grim pilot
yes
lusty grotto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjXI_G8Tkk&ab_channel=Naowh
i remember the BFA one
strong forum
yes
grim pilot
dont look at interrupts
earnest hollow
last 3 groups all the same
grim pilot
interrupts and ccs dont matter
if you truly want to track those
you track the ones that are ready RIGHT NOW via omnicd
strong forum
people in low keys dont care or are simply too bad to know
grim pilot
and also
as a tank
I like to "snipe" that stuff
I interrupt 1 cast and there's nothing else and 4 other people kicked it after me
strong forum
when youre doing keys in a pug, just play as if your group would never stun or CC anything
lusty grotto
its also a 7, they could have been zooming it
grim pilot
have people died from interruptable things is 1 thing
lusty grotto
and kicks wont hurt them cause of gear
earnest hollow
yeah but like 17 deaths last key
lusty grotto
no bolstering either
grim pilot
in 7s lots of people dont care
lusty grotto
did you still time?
earnest hollow
yeah
earnest hollow
ok
strong forum
basically its like this
the only people who pug +7s are people who arent good enough to go higher
so you cant expect much
strong forum
yah
lusty grotto
could be gear farmers, maybe looking for a stormlash for the DH or trinkets
grim pilot
but 7s not many players there
lusty grotto
some people are just unlucky
grim pilot
statistically
lusty grotto
(my DH got stormlash last week) after spamming that shit
strong forum
yea
grim pilot
8s or 9s
strong forum
just run 8s for weeklies
lusty grotto
cause i had done all my vault keys
grim pilot
u do that shit for week 1, maybe week 2
grim pilot
yes but statistically
lusty grotto
fuck your statistics 
grim pilot
thats 1 out of 50 people
strong forum
i just dont give enough of a shit
grim pilot
that actually farm things
strong forum
to spam 1 key specifically
grim pilot
I did in s3
strong forum
if i get it, cool
strong forum
if i didnt, i will prioritise that dungeon for weeklies
but im not gonna sit there doing it outside of weeklies
lusty grotto
it makes bashing your skull agains the wall, seem fun and healthy
lusty grotto
yeah idk why i still do it on my 3 toons
but i get it done fast so its nbd
however, when you think about it
i could be doing literally anything else
lusty grotto
💪
grim pilot
bh 16 into 18av after raid into nokhud 19 which I'm holding onto
because not interested
tho in our av
strong forum
think i have hoi 16
strong forum
and you aint catching me doing that with a pug
lusty grotto
1st pull nok in a 19 with bolstering sounds super fun
grim pilot
liek I still cannot fathom
how he's able to do that
he was doing 100k single target
strong forum
strong forum
legend
lusty grotto
group carried wcyd
grim pilot
vs 500 spirit bombs
whole key
he did like 240k overall with aug
man
I dont get it
how can u be just so bad and yet play so high
strong forum
cuz they dont care
grim pilot
no I mean
I just dont understand it
I feel tankier on my vdh
when I do more damage
because I do stuff correctly
get more soulcrush stacks
or whatever else u can
strong forum
and press button
grim pilot
super weird
lusty grotto
why do you guys call it soulcrush and not frailty, it throws my brain on a loop
strong forum
0 research
grim pilot
while me and sp were doing 1.5-2m in a pull
he was doing 300k
unironically
I dont get it how are u able to survive
lusty grotto
i start gaslightning myself, "soulcrush stacks???? tf"
grim pilot
yeah but I feel like
grim pilot
thats basically every tank no? like
lusty grotto
true and real
strong forum
which means passive healing vs autoconsume
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which also means passive DR from painbringer
grim pilot
do negative damage
lusty grotto
the french guy?
strong forum
strong forum
because hes playing some weird defensive shit
"defensive"
grim pilot
I dont wanna drop any names nor do I actually remember his name tho I could check
lusty grotto
i member his name
strong forum
and then also
lusty grotto
oh true
grim pilot
"defensive"
I mean
lusty grotto
but that was the botter
strong forum
"thunderclip hits aoe, Shieldslam only hits 1 target"
grim pilot
holding onto demo shout
strong forum
so i press thunderclap
grim pilot
for like a minute
strong forum
grim pilot
that seems like a "defensive" playstyle
strong forum
holding onto demo shout
only press defensives when you need them
lusty grotto
hmm i wonder which NA guy you mean
strong forum
grim pilot
I mean I could check but like I said I dont wanna drop any names here either way
lusty grotto
was it nimchip?
grim pilot
yes
strong forum
ive seen people sit on rageheart on a boss that doesnt do tank dmg
and also sit in defensive stance
lusty grotto
oh ya you right
strong forum
doing 90k DPS
or sitting on avatar
or literally any offensive CD
just because
grim pilot
its like
lusty grotto
yeah i mean i dont think we can ever stop that
grim pilot
top players are doing damage not just because the key requires it from a tank
strong forum
STG the best tank players are dps players
grim pilot
but also because proper play
lusty grotto
i wish keys actually required tank damage to time
grim pilot
but when u hold
lusty grotto
get fucked
lusty grotto
i got some free feet pics
grim pilot
dont
strong forum
thats kinda like ban
grim pilot
ok so
after looking over his key
right now
he didnt send demo shout
for 11 MINUTES
title player btw
strong forum
lusty grotto
goes to show, tanks can get carried by their teams
pallid quiver
more about clearing the dungeon than playing properly and also the above
I weep inside for some healers in some keys I've seen vods of
lusty grotto
just be a mana/heal vacuum, nbd
-100k dps for the healer
the dps has to be working 3 times harder
south zealot
is that why ur healer is always oom nim
grim pilot
south zealot
shouldnt even be allowed to play m+
lusty grotto
wat
strong forum
"see guys rageheart is OP it does 10% of my damage"
strong forum
que
strong forum
ah you were on leymor
lusty grotto
so not counting lashers
grim pilot
yes
strong forum
is 80k dps TO LEYMOR
grim pilot
correcto
strong forum
so am i
grim pilot
if I would have to hold for 1 second
lusty grotto
strong forum
it just so happens to be that roar is up for adds
grim pilot
the adds dont have to die
tho I played a 15 yday on my mage as I'm trying to learn frost so off speccing a bit
and tank literally complained after small adds not dying on leymor
grim pilot
yeh bud they melee for 15k thats why u died
not because of sitting in a puddle
or somehow dying from a boss melee
strong forum
and tank literally complained after small adds not dying on leymor
lol
but its my highest dmg taken
strong forum
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to be fair if they die right as youre exploding trees
thats what you got spellblock for on that boss
south zealot
but u also just expect them to die and move where u wanna be last second
wait can u spellblock that
holy
strong forum
yes
rotund cliff
you can just rotate wall and spellblock on it ez
strong forum
yes
south zealot
and the swirlies spawn under your feet
grim pilot
well with that choco
south zealot
ohhh myrtu confused me
strong forum
you can just rotate wall and spellblock on it ez
or just leap
and dont eat any dmg
south zealot
but muh uptime
strong forum
uptime dn
south zealot
need to keep banner up
grim pilot
like I said I would understand
if his bad damage
is because of him kitinmg
like sure
u have to kite something
its bolstering
but the guy did no dam on bosses either
also daily reminder that av absolutely sucks donkey dick for melee players
I'm in constant fear of dying after pressing lego
strong forum
nowhere nearly as much as other dungeons
grim pilot
nah
its ass
frontals everywhere
puddles everywhere
multiple bosses u have to lose uptime
tank didnt drag the boss to cleave the add not a single time
strong forum
myrt come tank 15hoi
south zealot
stop being soft
grim pilot
I wanted to go to sleep at 2am
strong forum
nvm they kicked me
grim pilot
but I got called for weeklies
strong forum
LOOO
strong forum
this is what the note said after they kicked me
ok ig ill go fuck myself
cuz its rly hard to just invite an aug
grim pilot
also I just cba tanking on bolstering its not fun
I dont like running around
because mobs can melee me for 3 million
strong forum
i mostly dont want to do tyr hoi
cuz
3rd boss is turbo RNG if healer can actually heal
or not
grim pilot
yes
took me 3 tries this week
to time 18 hoi
first augless we died at 50%
healer struggled so fucking hard
south zealot
healers can highroll good dps who use defensives
bc basically every boss doesnt need healing
strong forum
sir?
grim pilot
2nd uhh we had some diff issues but healer like just barely managed to heal after I pressed every defensive known to magekind on cooldown
south zealot
outside of getting topped up between being oneshot
south zealot
yeah i know i was saying thats why its rng
strong forum
hoi is 100% healer dungeon
grim pilot
100% is an overstatement
most wipes on tyrannical
do come from 3rd boss
from my experience
south zealot
100% healer and your priest mding the dragons dungeon
strong forum
outside of that theres nothing
grim pilot
miniboss hurted me
south zealot
just iv noob
grim pilot
because I didnt wanna press defensives
south zealot
lol
grim pilot
ye I mean I didnt proc anywhere
maybe first pull when expulse went out so nobody was ccing the adds so I had like 3 stacks of demo shout + I sat in like 3 frontals I procced but yeah generally pretty chill key for tanks
south zealot
i felt so bad for this ret pally in my key
i just couldnt hold threat on shit lol
well like 60% of the time i was fine
south zealot
strong forum
hah
south zealot
strong forum
so far 2 deaths to threat
merry sluice
Ew vengeance it’s only okay if i play the broken Spec hmmph
I am legally obligated to say this is indeed a joke
strong forum
4min into the key
merry sluice
Well
That’s the last resort special
All that dmg and DR given up by dropping frailty stacks? ITS FREE REAL ESTATE you’re so much tankier bc you can die twice!!
south zealot
last resort is unbelievably bad
merry sluice
Agreed
south zealot
i never realized how bad it is until i started playing dh
merry sluice
It’s rooough man lol.
I couldn’t even consider nerfing my own frailty stacks either considering how awkward aggro feels on VDH SoF bug for the wiiiiin
But god the constant DR lost too, just so you can ‘die’ again is such a big trap
grim pilot
last resort is unbelievably bad
I played
Not even 1 key
I was gonna tank AA
Figured ill try last resort
Went to random pack on m0
Spammed some spirit bombs
merry sluice
Im so sorry to hear you make that mistake
grim pilot
Said fuck this and went back to soulcrush
merry sluice
But imagine if you died there! You could’ve died like 3-4 times in a key in cool down with that talent!!
Never mind the fact you’ll die so much more often bc if the DR + effectively weaker leech loss
…
Or that there’s a bigger issue if you’re realistically triggering chest so much you need two in a key
honestly most don’t even need scales for their key level
jagged gust
I'm having a really hard time translating prot abilities to dh, feels like it's gonna take me a long time to learn my utility
merry sluice
Well the most common DH ability I see
Is running five miles ahead of the group, infernal striking into the enemy pack, and dying bc you didn’t pool a bomb, SoF before going in, and dropped spikes
I hope that helps
On a serious note, what is it specifically? Like managing their cc? Idk if it’s appropriate for me to go too DH brain in the discord, but it couldn’t hurt to ask around in there DH disc for specifics
strong forum
what is what specifically
or do you mean why do people play last resort?
cuz the answer is simple
its way way way easier to play
you cant really fuck it up and lets you thus play safer in big pulls where majority is melee dmg to fuck you over
cuz you dont need to play as well to just live
you do way less dmg
but its easier to live
merry sluice
no, I meant what is it william was struggling w/ on vdh
merry sluice
but ty too, lol
I appreciate the response nonetheless
And I guess I have to agree its definitely 'easier', though I think I'd get bored if vdh devolved to pure spiritbomb feed the demon spikes spam
strong forum
in 19s and 20s you appreciate the braindeadness
atleast my friend does cuz hes calling stops n shit
and apparently melees start to hurt VDHs in those keys
cant relate cuz pwar privilege
VDHs hated WCM, meanwhile its pwars favourite key cuz nothing does damage
and you just vibe
merry sluice
I was heavy into my pally last season, and also quite loved wcm
Yeah I can see the attractiveness in the 'brainoff' of last resort. Its definitely better if you're playing 'bare minimum mechanical execution'
but
I also feel you do also desire a bit more of an...aware healer for external help, that makes it iffy for pugs imo
but also the elvels where you truly benefit from brain off last resort style arent pug lvl anymore
Avg pug player running last resort though is an awful idea
strong forum
a good healer has always an eye on his tank
but also
a good tank shouldnt need any attention whatsoever
like at all
a healer should know where a tank can take damage and thus you play around that fact yoruself
but also a tank never takes dmg when the group needs healing aswell
its always ONLY tank
or ONLY group
never both at the same time
ionic fern
Uldaman first giga pull is kinda both with bleeds + casts.
ionic fern
Sure.
strong forum
and the bleeds are on the tank
ionic fern
In an ideal world.
south zealot
vdh has like 50% parry just immune all bleeds gg
south zealot
you either take no damage or get fucking obliterated
ionic fern
nah but parry unreliable bro
Can't argue with that.
merry sluice
well i feel if ur both doing that giga pull And chain lightning is going off
there's a bigger issue bc isnt that gig apull just spam stops and prayge?
But i guess there's time while everyone's running for it to happen
south zealot
i dont remember who i was watching but saw a dh just die in a second bc they took 12 melees from the 13 mobs they were fighting
strong forum
if you have enough instances
south zealot
unlucky go next
strong forum
parry does become reliable
and what do big pulls include
lotta dmg instances
and nobody arguing in good faith
would try to RNG their way through a tankbuster
you cover those with CDs
if you dont have enough CDs, find more
strong forum
that one is a bit special
south zealot
much more likely to parry 1/4 than 1/1
strong forum
cuz its a 4 part combo
yeah
you dont pre-use CDs there
you see how many stacks you get
and "react" accordingly
not like you got a choice either
cuz its a bleed
so the only thing we have is dwarf/evoker cleanse/bop/shieldwall
and then obv demoshout/IP/LS
south zealot
now this is a pull i can get behind
the trees got bolstered so big they were literally taller than the doorways
south zealot
incap is impressively weak
strong forum
nah sorry its target capped to 5
south zealot
even if it wasnt capped it would still be weak
south zealot
can get incorp with menace talent
south zealot
i should say, u can solo it with just shout with menace talent
strong forum
?
south zealot
just incase you were running 5 warriors and 3 of them were afk
south zealot
yeah but then u cant use the sidearm choice node for more damage to the enemy you kick
wont have as much uptime
leaden shard
holy tech
south zealot
yes try it on next incorp week you will be very disappointed
leaden shard
LMAO
south zealot
why
south zealot
1st one isnt really a big deal
but yeah silence is really strong with how many kicks u need on every mob
ionic fern
The SIlence issue could be easily fixed.
Just give the mob a lock-out after being interrupted once.
Not this "oh, you interrupted me, let me re-cast instantly" crap.
violet ginkgo
oh yeah regarding that... isn't interrupt usually "Prevent cast from the same class spell for x secs." but why sometimes some mob can recast before that x secs expired?
south zealot
bc blizzard seems to think spamming kicks makes for fun difficulty
south zealot
im pretty sure in all of the shadowlands dungeons, every single enemy in every single dungeon did something
some of them were just little baby tank busters that were irrelevant
but everything had some mechanic, and the majority of them had to be stopped
its just not a fun source of difficulty imo
merry sluice
spend more time painting the floor than playing the game
honestly...
not a bad wya of putting it lol
merry sluice
1st one isnt really a big deal
I honestly dont hate any on their own, in a vacuum
But together? with illuminated eugh
tsk cuts too soon
i wanted to see how giant the frogs got xD
south zealot
not that big bc the dps ended up dying and needed to get brez after a couple thing died
so a handful of bolstering wore off by the time the pack died
strong forum
https://clips.twitch.tv/ZanyAmazingBibimbapPunchTrees-taK7CmVpZuUbiNSv
i mena thats just normal
south zealot
i only pull 1 big boi at a time and dont skip first one
slow route
wait wtf they invised to the vikings in uldaman
merry sluice
east?
leaden shard
Westie??????!
hello fren
lament prairie
Have you been here all this time?
lament prairie
I see
unkempt hazel
rigid hull
first ever +400k
in AA 14
but doenst count with aug?
and i droped my anvil like 10 times xdd
rigid hull
damn bruh
jagged pier
yep
jagged pier
because it will be details has SR damage logs doesnt
etc
but logs is always more accurate
rigid hull
unkempt hazel
I mean like
had a log with no priests or augs, yet in logs everyone did ~50k less overall
jagged pier
yer it will do
theres lots of damage u do that isnt damage or removed for reasons on logs etc
but logs is literally just the game data
unkempt hazel
the update interval on details does not affect it in any way right
jagged pier
nah
unkempt hazel
aight, just makin sure
jagged pier
u will find details like your person details will swing in your favour
not sure how or why
🤷
unkempt hazel
was just weird to see ngl
unkempt hazel
like between pulls?
ionic fern
like between pulls?
Yes.
nocturne vine
Guys what do you think about the all totem master trinket? Since i cant sim the def value of it, does someone use it?
jagged pier
how many bosses do i have to kill to open the door to illidan?
all of them
rigid hull
all of them
💀
blazing condor
If you were to go for a dps trinket for m+ most ppl will go anvil/grieftorch/alltotem
sand pebble
wee arent using trinkets for defensive purposes
jagged pier
💀
well technically its just the second to last but we arent dhs cant do the chains so u have to open all the doors
blazing condor
Well depends on the content you do
jagged pier
so u have to kill them all
blazing condor
I remember when you couldnt solo reliquary of souls
rigid hull
need that bulwark mog
blazing condor
That shit was ass having to pug for BT
rigid hull
just buy the modern one of AH
expensive
rigid hull
tbc was my first expansion i had alot of fun
but i watned to quit in bt
tbc classic*
BT is the worst dungeon for prot pala
it was not fun'
nocturne vine
wee arent using trinkets for defensive purposes
At a certain point i prefer to, im running Kazzara and Anvil now but in uncertain if switch anvilt to heart/totem
Prolly heart is the way to go but i hate to lose dmg ahahah
Just dont know if it is good defensively
sand pebble
At a certain point i prefer to, im running Kazzara and Anvil now but in uncertai...
heart is a dps trinket hiding behind a defensive trinket - use it 100%
nocturne vine
Ye you prolly right
jagged pier
At a certain point i prefer to, im running Kazzara and Anvil now but in uncertai...
u already have your defensive trinket
with enduring
nocturne vine
Im tired of chasing staks on anvil
😝
And it seems that totem is the best combo with enduring
sand pebble
it didnt perform as i hoped it would in ulda with a 5 stack the entire way
nocturne vine
Dmg wise
nocturne vine
it didnt perform as i hoped it would in ulda with a 5 stack the entire way
Still good dmg thi
But ye i feel you
sand pebble
its good damage yes but the down side is losing a 5 stack almost means any other trinket would have been better
nocturne vine
Prolly the shield from the heart on top of the pulsing dmg is better
Specially to push
nocturne vine
its good damage yes but the down side is losing a 5 stack almost means any other...
Ye And some dung are impossible to keep up
sand pebble
you dont use the shield defensively tho - you use it for damage - i prsonally like to pop it going into a pull to help with gathering and not being 1 shot from behind
if you actually want DR you use enduring
nocturne vine
So your best call to match the enduringv
(Im doing Kurog mythic tonight so i might be lucky without having to use a bullion)
nocturne vine
you dont use the shield defensively tho - you use it for damage - i prsonally li...
This is still valid use of it
I feel treemouth is a little overkill
jagged pier
but if u want a defensive option that is the best one
nocturne vine
Thanks for the tips, ill give it a shot a couple of runs to check before spending the bullions
trim wind
valid python
Hi un new in warrior protection
Someone have a video of the correct rotation in M+?
violet ginkgo
No we don't have it
jagged pier
there isnt really such a thing as correct rotation as what button u press next depends on the situation u are in the rage u have etc etc
nocturne vine
Next week sounds like push week
radiant mortar
every week is push week
nocturne vine
Yes let me refrase … next week sounds like a less frustrating push week
topaz field
are u dealing with incorp? 😄
lavish copper
err, why is the first option of the hidden appearance not unlocked but the rest is?
not showing up in my transmog library either
wait, don't tell me the rest unlocked because i did those requirement with another spec's hidden artifact?
exotic flower
wait, don't tell me the rest unlocked because i did those requirement with anoth...
correct
to get the original you’ll need to actually go and get it from the cave in highmountain
astral thorn
Does Gholak's shadowflame dmg increase vault ring proc rate significantly?
jagged pier
i mean it will proc the ring so if u dont have gholaks your ring will on average do less as u wont porc the ring as much
significantly 🤷 cant say
but u should have gholaks anyway its by far our best wep
astral thorn
I understand... but I'm not prot main, that's why
sand pebble
its that good that if you ever tank, you want it
jagged pier
i mean u can just grab a hc one from amerdrsal next time its awakened
and its better than anything else if u dont want a buy it
hearty stump
Quick question about Melissandra in RLP. Is it just prot warriors that have a bit of trouble with her? Or is it every tank? Or is it just me?
plush tendon
Quick question about Melissandra in RLP. Is it just prot warriors that have a bi...
she is all magic damage, so prot war mitagation doesnt really work too well on her
but spell block is goated
south zealot
its a hard tank boss in general
hearty stump
Yeah, whenever spell block is active it's fairly cheese but
leaden shard
think the only tank that gets away with it is bdk
hearty stump
other than that, just a bit of misshap with defensives and it's like.. you plummet.
hearty stump
use dstance if you need it
seldomly do I step out of it unfortunately
plush tendon
wheres that meme of the VDH running into RLP saying 'first RLP of the season' and gets one tapped by that boss
hearty stump
south zealot
wheres that meme of the VDH running into RLP saying 'first RLP of the season' an...
bro i did that a few days ago
plush tendon
that first hit from her is a train
south zealot
melee and cast in 0.1 seconds insta dead
plush tendon
I personally think shes the hardest fight in FLP
second boss is pretty rinse and repeat
and third boss.... if you know how to position in p1 its pretty simple
and p2.... well you are dead anyways if you dont pop all your big buttons when you get fire
south zealot
2nd boss is hard if your healer refuses to heal you
plush tendon
south zealot
idk why but sometimes i just do not get healed at all on that fight
hearty stump
I personally think shes the hardest fight in FLP
would you generally pop something like shield wall or last stand on chillstorm? Since you're getting chunked with that + the frigid shads
south zealot
but yeah with a good cd rotation youre chilling
plush tendon
would you generally pop something like shield wall or last stand on chillstorm? ...
you can reflect the damage from chill storm
south zealot
would you generally pop something like shield wall or last stand on chillstorm? ...
yes
plush tendon
if you face your character to it
hearty stump
idk why but sometimes i just do not get healed at all on that fight
That's my question - I'm talking to my healer friend and they're saying that seldomly do they ever look at tanks on that fight
that's why they're wondering if it's a prot war thing
plush tendon
the damage on 2nd boss varies based on your parrys
1-2 stacks of the bleed is chill
3-4 not as chill
south zealot
vdh will basically never need healing on that boss
plush tendon
pop a CD when you have 3-4 or dwarf
south zealot
even if they get 4 stacks which is highly unlikely, they have spikes and meta up for every single one
so u are just fine
plush tendon
spikes doesnt work for it
hearty stump
Are we still talking about melissandra?
plush tendon
Prot War doesnt need direct heals on any of the fights
hearty stump
I guess I'm just not managing my defensives correctly there
Since if I'm having issues on a 14, what do you do on a 18
plush tendon
a couple of hots, proper CD usage, jumping into D-Stance goes a long way
hearty stump
I mean I'm always in Dstance and you do get passive healing
So I presume it's defensive management
leaden shard
i think what helped me was knowing that during chillstorm she casts 3-4 shards in a row, so a wall/spell block during that is pretty ideal since it's also removing most of the aoe damage thats coming in at the same time
onyx vale
is grieftorch a right pick ?
onyx vale
just wondering if I should pick it over fyrak
jagged pier
Well the fryakk teinkets arent even our best options for anything
south zealot
grieftorch does good damage
more if ppl die
downside is that you cant block or parry whileusing
so need to know when to use it safely
astral thorn
Im enjoying augury
south zealot
Im enjoying augury
jagged pier
Im enjoying augury
yer but your missing strength on it
everything else doing like 5-8% less damage
astral thorn
i don't think it's that bad... crit amounts to something.
jagged pier
thats why i said 5-8%
u loose like 8% strength with quick maths
or i would if i used augrary
cba calulating the crit
astral thorn
augury adds about 5% crit
south zealot
augury is good damage its just not the absolute best, there are better options
south zealot
yeah if u want a completely passive setup for whatever reason, all totem and augury will do pretty large da,
dam
have the benefit of not even worrying about combat with something like signet brand
plush tendon
My setup is All-Totem+Dreadplate
radiant mortar
@lusty grotto my unholy dk arc is going well now. Im slowly getting whats going on and how do react to stuff!
lusty grotto
cool
id much rather give it a try outside of remix, i didnt quite get it
gonna stay Blood for remix pretty much
tribal wharf
radiant mortar
id much rather give it a try outside of remix, i didnt quite get it
understandable, I think you will like it if you like "strict" prios and ramp like play style
south zealot
what key
south zealot
sanguine diff 
plush path
is dungeon party finder that bad or the problem is with me
lusty grotto
id say the problem is with you since you dont trust an 11 year old site called warcraftlogs over discord
but i could be wrong
pallid quiver
Especially with talents like that,
no
You'll certainly proc it a lot without any block uptime
So you'll get value out of it
But you're also more at risk of dying from no block, so
That fellow has one block uptime talent out of 4
BSV now works retroactively on damage if you haven't heard, DK Necropolis style,
south zealot
that guy is griefing bc he wont have enough sb uptime
and the wrong shield wall talent
wait dude ninurta is using that
pallid quiver
You do need to compensate for the loss of Shield Charge block talent, though, usually by grabbing Bolster
south zealot
LMAO
pallid quiver
i don't know who that is, but i assume they push higher keys
south zealot
just know his name bc hes always been higher io than me this season
merry sluice
my new trend i hate
in my bh keys
Ranged dps standing max range baiting slime spawns a light year away and maing zeor effort to bring them in or cc, or interrupt the casts
a real fun one
merry sluice
so i wont play the game on reckless weeks understood
merry sluice
spiteful...
that's the +7 affix they get rid of?
not bolstering?
or double fortified i mean sanguine?
soemtimes i wonder if we're actually playing the same game as the devs
merry sluice
ngl i already hated like a third of the affixes we have now
Now i hate most of them in tww, and the dungeon pool
south zealot
dude i havent heard a single positive take on these affixes
what if we're all wrong
what if this is the best
dusky canopy
What I don’t like about it is the positive side boosts demon hunter like every week basically
Most forms of damage benefit from DH buff
south zealot
chaos damage and radiant or whatever the fuck its called
is like all types of damage
whatever the enemyis weakest to?
right
or am i making shit up for free
pallid quiver
dude i havent heard a single positive take on these affixes
Yo I think they're funny as fuck
I'll ball with them; they're completely wacko and not at all what I thought the game needed
plush path
@lusty grotto
pallid quiver
but "Hey kids, just stock up on Arcane Mages and Boomies this week, specs are balanced 🙂 "
pallid quiver
10/10
dusky canopy
Tbf I’m happy to take these new ones instead of the ones they “retired”
dusky canopy
Sanguine and bolstering both suck yeah
south zealot
nobody likes when mobs are stuyck in sanguine bc they have an 8 second channcel you cant stop in any way
noboy likes how much time a couple sanguine ticks waste
pallid quiver
I think the reason they picked the +7 affixes they did was to try and keep the affixes that aren't entirely trivialized/unable to be interacted with by some specs/talents, while also removing affixes that, ultimately, didn't affect too much, like storming
south zealot
ppl have been asking for less oppressive affixes/straight up positive affixes for a long time
and they just said fuck you and removed the easy affixes
pallid quiver
They want you to have to play around +7 affixes, but not like have "Shaman drop poison totem, warrior pee on a bed"
I think the intent behind what they wanted is clear,
but things like Sanguine just suck ass as a whole
dusky canopy
Entangling volcanic instead of bolstering sanguine