protection

[novel temple]

I remember using battering ram since the start

Shit was hot

[strong forum]

yes

it made you not feel the lack of haste

now you absolutely do feel it

cuz you get significantly less SS resets

[novel temple]

Is it that noticeable now without battering ram?

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what he just said

[novel temple]

I thought now we would be loaded with haste

[lusty grotto]

we arent

less haste than s3 due to bullion rings

[novel temple]

Oh

For the extra effects

[lusty grotto]

right

[novel temple]

Damn

That’s weird af to hear

[strong forum]

ye once you start getting closer to bis you actually lose out on a bit of haste

[pallid quiver]

just simply tell the shield ring off diurna that it's stinky poo poo and stick with a raid ring because you cba to upgrade that to max ilvl

and still end up short on haste because you have literally no other haste on your gear

[novel temple]

How many bullions do we have right now?

[strong forum]

7

i think

[novel temple]

Cause once I get internet at the new house I just bought, I should be able to start playing

[pallid quiver]

Uh, a lot, more if you did the Mythic dungeon event that gave a free one

[lusty grotto]

yes 7

[strong forum]

9 if you did the quest

[novel temple]

So that means I’ll be able to pick up like what, 7 pieces of gear?

Or like 3?

[pallid quiver]

3

2 bullions per item

[novel temple]

Ahhhh

[pallid quiver]

1 for cosmetics, 3 for the mount from SL S4 awakened raids

[novel temple]

Already got the mount so I’m set

So basically I’ll get the weapon, one ring, and then whatever for a third piece

[pallid quiver]

As a note, I think there's another Mythic dungeon event coming Soon TM, so there will likely be an extra 2 bullions from that, as well

[novel temple]

And that comes on at mythic ilvl, right?

[strong forum]

the bullion bought items start at 490smth

and you can upgrade them to 528/535

[novel temple]

But can be upgraded to mythic lvl

Bet.

[pallid quiver]

You can upgrade them up and it requires crests

So to the M+ mines with you

Also, there is another dungeon event on the week starting on the 18th for NA

So it's pretty safe to assume that, instead of dropping a gear box, will give two bullions again

[lusty grotto]

did they remove the blacksmith shield from forgemaster?

i havent been able to pick it up for 1-2 weeks

[light nova]

nah I picked one up earlier tonight

[lusty grotto]

weird

i did one just now and no shield, couldnt click it

[light nova]

did someone else maybe

I think thats the only way ive not been able to

[lusty grotto]

i loved using it on bird for fort and last boss shield break on tyr

thats possible i guess

well if they did, they certainly didnt use it cause its damage isnt on details let me check the log

yup, nobody used it

should be "blazing aegis"

same thing happened last week

[light nova]

I think once its picked up it also shows as a buff maybe some noober yoinked it then didnt press

[lusty grotto]

oh let me check that

[median tulip]

I picked it up and used it yesterday

[lusty grotto]

well comparing to a log of one run whre i picked it up and used it, i cannot see any buffs or debuffs

at least in logs

maybe wcl just isnt tracking the debuff

or buff

[light nova]

only place I managed to find anything about it was in my casts but that doesnt show picking it up just throwing it

[lusty grotto]

yeah same

oh well no worries, i was just wondering since it has happened back to back this and last week

ill probably check if it happens again in a higher key

[light nova]

yeah I nabbed it today about 6 hours or so ago doing a rando weekly pug so should be working

[lusty grotto]

if you 2 say its working, i trust it

[median tulip]

Do you have any auto-click add-on installed?

[lusty grotto]

nope

[merry sluice]

Can you pick up the shield in combat?
Maybe some weirdness with a debuff, or dot from withering dreams, or some other possibility kept you falsely in combat and you didn't notice?

[lusty grotto]

you can

but even then there's no combat there after boss

[merry sluice]

things...can happened...
but if it works in combat then IDK, that was my crackpot 3am theory.

also save to say 'its neltharus, half of this dungeon is a bug'

[lusty grotto]

not in my routes they cant

not combat right after forgemaster

[merry sluice]

im not referring to trash

or actually fighting 'anything'

[lusty grotto]

if someone gets in combat after forgemaster they shouldn't be in that key

[merry sluice]

i think you're missing what I was saying

[lusty grotto]

you said combat

theres no combat after forgemaster

what are you pulling right after forgemaster anyway? you go down past the mini boss to the 2 lavabearers which are in africa

0 combat

[south zealot]

real gamers pull miniboss

turbo free count

that guy is almost 6%

[lusty grotto]

maybe but that still has travel time

if the shield is unusable right after boss its not due to combat, is my point

and even still, combat shouldn't affect interaction with it

[merry sluice]

I-
still was not talking about fighting trash

[lusty grotto]

you said combat

[merry sluice]

its okay, nvm lol its not a big deal lol

[lusty grotto]

withering dreams does not put you into combat

[merry sluice]

i said like withering dreams
not explicitly withering dreams, bc that was the first dot that came to mind

[lusty grotto]

nor does corrupting rage, if we're going over dots/damaging effects from consumables

[merry sluice]

and i said falsely in combat if we have ruled indeed that you ar enot falseley in combat, then it is not a big deal

I certainly did not say while actively fighting trash, bc i wouldnt consider someone to not notice they are indeed fighting trash

[lusty grotto]

there's no such thing

as "falsely in combat"

[merry sluice]

there have been bugs that mark you in combat for... quite a while even when you're actually fighting nothing, nor using toys

But again, its not this big of a deal if we have already confirmed you can grab the shield in combat anyways

[lusty grotto]

ok im too tired to talk to backpedals i guess

[sand pebble]

this has happened to me twice this season and im not sure why, its like you click th shield and it dissapears instantly and becomes no longer cliackable

both times i had the food buff that only shows while out of combat so maybe a ui issue in that it used the same action button

[merry sluice]

you can ahve ghoulash and shield at the same time

[sand pebble]

i know you can, im saying that it might just be a ui issue in that goulash hides in combat and usually the shield is usable at all times.

[thin pecan]

Can anyone help give any advice for tanking Balakar Khan, end boss on the Nokhud Offensive? I'm really struggling to gather the adds up before they nail the dps 😦 for context my highest key there is a failed 8

[sand pebble]

That phase is kinda on the dps do burn and interupt the adds as much as it is on the healer to keep everyone alive - be a VDH/BDK to grip them up, be a VDH to aoe silence - outside of that you can interupt 1 add and shockwave 2, shield charge another. Pray things die fast. Spell reflect the debuff OR the cast in the last phase

[jagged pier]

i mean there should be 4 inturpts in the group

so everyone should just inturpt 1 and run to the boss

that will gather them up

[blazing condor]

definitely a boss where everyone should be helping

doesnt cost anything to interrupt

not the tanks job to gather

[valid hinge]

Okay, I put revenge on the shelf and just thunder clapped the world

I didn't realize how bad revenge is lol

[blazing condor]

it has its purpose

but its not gonna be what you use to pump dps

[valid hinge]

Yeah, I thought it was more of a use revenge if you don't need to ignore pain, but its more of a use revenge if everything else is on CD

[blazing condor]

yeah kinda

revenge can reset your shield slam

so its worth using

[low oracle]

its basically the last button you press outside of execute window; at least thats how i play

[valid hinge]

shift+4 = ignore pain for me, and 2 is revenge, but I might actually swap the keybinds

[low oracle]

unless its free -

[thin pecan]

Ty all for the advice 🙏

[sand pebble]

i use revenge for instant threat in a pack on pull, and only use it again if its free and empowered and nothing else to press

[violet ginkgo]

As Dan Said, there are 4 interupts in group so if anyone interupt once and they gather at boss you can disrupting shout for the next interupt or aoe CC.

Or tell your DPS for example 1 mage 1 hunter to Hex and Icetrap 1 side, then you deal with 2 mob first after you gather aggro/kill you can move to the other side.

[sand pebble]

and yes im one of the few who use barb training and show of force

that initial revenge + the tc hitting harder usually means every mob in range has deep wounds and like 3k instant threat

[thin pecan]

Ty @violet ginkgo !

[sand pebble]

end of the day you cant solo carry the group on it as a pwar, needs group coordination and that phase just trucks healers - other things you can do is save lust for it, have everyone use their defensives to free up the healer - healers like evoker suffer more due to needing players stacked to heal them instantly

bring an aug to breathh over all 4 of them and 'rescue' thhe healer - healer can still cast during the rescue to kinda hhelps them live

or aug to pop spatial paradox to allow healer to cast while moving

[blazing condor]

At least we got big reflects so not as much healing needed

[sand pebble]

mass spell reflect would have been nice, cant wait for TWW and intervene+spell reflect interactions

[hearty stump]

How are the queue times for pugs as a prot war in higher keys? 16s and above? On average I'm wondering

[radiant mortar]

Im not that high yet but I havent had any problems queueing yet

If you have key lvl X-1 should be fine to get invited

[weak snow]

if ppl crafted versa bracers is that because offspec?

[hearty stump]

I was wondering since 15+ has 85% vdhs and the further up you go the higher that % goes. So was just wondering if the queue times would be the same as Arms for example. Since I'm generally averaging around 4 hours.

[jagged pier]

no its because emblishments for prot do very little

[radiant mortar]

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thats just meta as always

just queue and see

[hearty stump]

I'm more asking since I'm wondering whether I should learn prot at the same level as arms since it'll be at least another month or so I believe. But if I'm doing that just to get the same queues, I'm not sure it's worth it then.

[radiant mortar]

play what you enjoy

[hearty stump]

m+ as a warrior

[radiant mortar]

why not learn pwar then, you wont be insta jump into high keys I assume

you probably also have some friends to play with so build your own keys

but its wow and people will prefer meta specs

that will never change

I enjoy pwar a lot

[hearty stump]

Naturally. The fact that it's a different role is why I'm asking really. Since I presume fury gets the same treatment.

And I cannot fathom rolling a vdh just to actually play dungeons.

[radiant mortar]

shadow is really fun

can only recommend it

[jagged pier]

you will always find it easier to get groups, if u play a meta spec

[hearty stump]

I've been trying shadow for a bit and it seems simpler than fury

There's no "mph" to the spec. You don't even get an ability that travels other than your abberations

[radiant mortar]

I agree that the animations beside flay and torrent suck

[hearty stump]

aye

[radiant mortar]

but it has a lot of mph

[hearty stump]

turn off your meter

as in

[radiant mortar]

and I disagree with it being simpler

[hearty stump]

remove details

all the mph is gone

lol

[radiant mortar]

wat

[hearty stump]

I meant that the animations don't really have anything that would pop. Like a chaos bolt.

[hearty stump]

Hence why I find the actual rotation being somewhat dull visually.

[radiant mortar]

its a dot class

[hearty stump]

Is it?

[radiant mortar]

not a I build up to one big spell class

pain, plague embrace

???

[hearty stump]

You just add three dots and then pound mindblasts

[radiant mortar]

I think you play it wrong xD

[hearty stump]

with a few sprinkles here and there

[tidal bronze]

Hello, any good wa to annouce that you are trying to spellreflect ? Or did you just macro it ?

[hearty stump]

I mean according to wowhead

And a few YT videos I guess?

looks fairly simple

[hearty stump]

I usually use this https://wago.io/tDT26wrXg

[tidal bronze]

i'm looking for a solution to call my team mates that i'm trying to spell reflect

[jagged pier]

its a macro and ppl ignore it anyway

[hearty stump]

You can adjust the weakaura a bit. One moment

[tidal bronze]

Pretty sure nice people sometimes respect it :p

[hearty stump]

add this

Your chat bubble will pop up with a "Reflecting"

With the way the weakaura is setup, I believe it'll pop out twice. Some respect it, others don't.

[tidal bronze]

héhé that's smart

tyvm

[hearty stump]

You can actually use this WA to basically telegraph when you need to Spell reflect something as well

[radiant mortar]

because fury is so much more

[jagged pier]

no that weak aura tells u when u can

[hearty stump]

You'll get the chat bubble when somethings casting on you and you can reflect.

[jagged pier]

not if u need too

[hearty stump]

I mean that's up to you to determine whether you actually need to reflect

Or can just interrupt

[jagged pier]

which is why i dont ever reccomend it

[hearty stump]

Pace of the spec.

[jagged pier]

too many times ppl follow it blindly then dont reflect the important thing

because the WA told them that an icebolt was being cast on them or somthing

u need to know when the important ones are

[hearty stump]

You can simply leave the spells that you find dangerous in the WA

[jagged pier]

and then u can just send it on CD around that

[hearty stump]

Admittedly - as a tank it's pretty annoying.

since everything's cast on you

less so as a DPS

[hearty stump]

3x the cpm

Hence why I feel it's much easier personally.

[radiant mortar]

[hearty stump]

It's playing whackamole really

but ya know

[jagged pier]

that is inflated cPM

because it count each tick of rampage as a cast

and a phew other things

[hearty stump]

Oh does it?

[jagged pier]

ye

its still fast

but not that fast

[hearty stump]

I mean comparing with a shadowpriest

2x then

[jagged pier]

well its faster than shadow priest

but prot is the highest actual CPM warrior spec

[hearty stump]

After your comment on my logs

I noticed

lmao

[jagged pier]

yer

[hearty stump]

so did my group on VC

thought I was about to smash the keyboard

[jagged pier]

your about 20 cpm off smashing correctly 😂

[hearty stump]

I'm still panicky I guess in keys. Tanking for a solid week at most.

And 14s are still a bit daunting.

So it's an option between stressful 14s or queues as arms in 16s/17s.

[jagged pier]

🤷

its your choice

we cant tell you what to play or do

[hearty stump]

I feel a tank will always have more value in a group overall. So probably best way forward is that.

My only concern is if I'm trading 4 hours of queues as arms to 4 hours of queues as prot due to the meta.

[jagged pier]

u probably will be

the higher u go

the more ppl want meta

[hearty stump]

Yep. Makes it just as difficult to find a consistent group since everyone is aiming for meta premades.

i guess the biggest affix for higher keys is the social aspect.

you actually have to -talk- to people to get into keys

[jagged pier]

yep

[hearty stump]

speaking of - when you're in a large pack with several prio interrupts (e.g. first pull rlp with earthshapers), you're out of shockwave. Do you just send intimidating shout and pray it hits the right one?

[jagged pier]

i mean what imprtant intuprts are there? icebolt?

just spell block

[hearty stump]

the

what's it called

one moment

[jagged pier]

i mean u have stormbolt still

and pummel

[hearty stump]

tectonic slam

it's unkickable

can only stun it

and usually you have 2 per pull

[jagged pier]

well u have stormbolt

[median tulip]

Intimidating Shout always does it's primary effect in the primary target.

[hearty stump]

but generally you don't send intimidating shout in that scenario?

[hearty stump]

oh, good point

wait, can you set it on a focus target as well with a macro then?

[median tulip]

Or mouseover

[hearty stump]

I ain't mouseovering shit in that group lmao

might as well fear my own healer then

[median tulip]

Plater makes mouseover easy

[hearty stump]

Aye, possibly. But will try a focus macro as well

Great tip, thank you

[median tulip]

You can't target your own healer with "harm" flagged effects

[hearty stump]

Was a yoke

[crystal iris]

My Ulduman cuse continues

I tank the PERFECT run we get to last boss with 6minutes left

someone pulls the 2 timereavers before last boss... we wipe and reset

finally get to the boss, healer says ok everyone use defensives. we lose 2 ppl to the first wing flap. we run back now 3m30 to go, maybe doable

someone pulls the timereavers again. I cannot get this key off 12 im so annoyed

[jagged pier]

thats why u dont pug

🤷

[pallid quiver]

But pug funny

You just gotta be accepting if the funny

[crystal iris]

its funny when they die to bromach, not the last boss after 40 minutes of running

[torn gulch]

This is why uldaman is aids

On tyr

You do a proper run and then last boss shits on you

[crystal iris]

are they at least making shorter dungeons next expansion?

this 40 minute / run is so annoying

20 min would be nice

[torn gulch]

20 min will never happen

[crystal iris]

fair enough, 30 would be nice tho

[torn gulch]

The shortest timer in the history of m+ was 24

[crystal iris]

3 boss dungeon

not 5...

[torn gulch]

We have 3 bosses dungeons next season

[kind urchin]

Wasn't that Maw of souls that was 24?

[torn gulch]

Either ara kara or city of threads

[torn gulch]

Yes

[vivid orchid]

its likely they normalize it at 30 for the 3 bossers

[median tulip]

There's always been at least one 3-boss dungeon (and at least one 5-boss as well)

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt mean that there should be

or so i hope

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, there should be a minimum of 15 bosses in a dungeon

[lusty grotto]

[thin silo]

OG BRD M+
96min timer

[jagged pier]

blackrock depth m+ would be chill

[tribal wharf]

unironically okay

they could split brd

into minimum 3 dungeons, probably 4

like, for example maybe the prison mission from BRD is it's own key

its just too large of a dungeon to cut into 2

[jagged pier]

no full dungeon

take it or leave it

[tribal wharf]

bro

brd as 1 full dungeon, on a timer

thats like, harder than an nes game

sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many mechanics and bullshits you expecting the player to know, and be ready for

its the timer that would make it too hard, unless its like 1 hour

then again, i think all keys at least bfa onwards should have been like, normal timers and all of them after 45 minutes, 1 hour "do you want to give up box" and like, it repairs your gear or somethin

[jagged pier]

what mechanics BRD has like intuprt or fear as mechanics

literally a nother burger it would just be stand and hit

give it 1 hour timer

[tribal wharf]

the most scary mechanics of all!

together!

gravity

and lava

deep, painful lava

also fear, and 500 adds in the bar

lots of fire dmg, last room is hell

always hated the big 2 3 last rooms brd, torch room onwards the tombs 7 dwarfs is bad ass

[ionic nimbus]

Dont forget healing Paladins with bubble… yikes

[tribal wharf]

and when i say nes game, i mean on oirginal nes and controller and crt tv, no save states 😛

[fervent gull]

Help please my haste is at 5,666 im about to craft a neck but never sure what stats to prioritize my current neck is 507 haste and 1.5k verse 515 IL was thinking baout crafting a 525 neck

[jagged pier]

haste crit

[fervent gull]

kk

[lusty grotto]

just so you know, your percent breakdowns dont usually halp

[lament musk]

i guess i'm prot main now

[lusty grotto]

[lapis burrow]

[gentle olive]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

[lusty grotto]

kinda funny how your viewers that NEVER post in prot chat, do so when you do lmao

[fast edge]

I have a fury warrior (e.g. fury gear) with normal tier set and 6 bullions spent (weapons and augury trinket).

I've been tanking our raids and some dungeons and am quite enjoying it, would like to do much more.

Is it less work to just wait and start gearing prot going forward.

I do also have another lvl 70 warrior with s2 gear ; should I gear them up so I have more bullions to spend?

Kind of want to take the path of least resistance :)

[lusty grotto]

keep going with your fury, it'll have some gear

its pretty self explanatory

path of least resistance is the one char you already have geared

[fast edge]

yes but no bullions left for prot gear. Guess I get two items next week

ty

[lusty grotto]

youll have enough

we have 3 weeks back to back of bullion buys

starting next reset

[fast edge]

How? We have 1 bullion now, will get another next week + mythic quest = 2 items. The week after we'll be back at just 1, no?

[lusty grotto]

yes but we'll have the quest week

so 3 weeks of bullion buys

[south zealot]

[fast edge]

Ah yeah I see what you mean

[south zealot]

let’s go

[lusty grotto]

besides, the only thing you need to buy prot specic

specific

are gholak and dreadplates

rest is whatever, and you probably have rings already

[fast edge]

nah didn't buy ring xd

Is this out of date? Is dreadplate high prio?

[lusty grotto]

treemouth isnt buyablle

its a drop

from BH

(or weekly vault)

[fast edge]

Oh yeah I know

But I'm assuming dreadplate is lower buy prio bc treemouth is better

And prophetic stonescales no good?

[lusty grotto]

we're talking about bullion buys

treemouth is not a bullion buy

once again

[fast edge]

I'm explaining it poorly sorry

[lusty grotto]

gholak is your highest prio buy

by far

[pallid quiver]

Until they give every other mob in the dungeon a cast or wipe mechanic that can only be normal interrupted, and if you interrupt it they instantly cast the same effect spell, but a different school, so you have to mass cycle interrupts or die. There's also only one GY

[fast edge]

Archi explains it well for fury with puzzle box:

Because Puzzle Box is relatively easy to farm, the second trinket has a lower purchase priority.

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates is the only prot specific buy that you can get right after that

[fast edge]

Wouldn't the same apply here for dreadplates

[lusty grotto]

puzzle box isnt good for prot

[pallid quiver]

You have a chance to roll on dreadplates once every three weeks.

[lusty grotto]

treemouth is a purely defensive trinket, it does nothing else

you have 3 buys back to back

buy gholak first

dreadplates (or rings) 2nd

dreadplates (or rings) 3rd

not a hard concept

theres literally nothing else to buy

anvil maybe but youre a fury, and you probably have interchangeable trinkets

[lusty grotto]

are you dying?

[fast edge]

Where are you getting 3 from? 2 next week and then I have to wait 2 weeks again

[fast edge]

Fair, I just see other tanks using it

[tribal wharf]

the beatings will continue until morale improves, if you complain we will make the work harder

[lusty grotto]

we just got over this discussion

[tribal wharf]

well, your wanted to tank i suppose

[lusty grotto]

??? im so confused

#protection message

[fast edge]

Today I have 1 bullion

On reset, I get another bullion

Then weekly quest

= 2 buys

[lusty grotto]

june 11: bullion 8 (or 10th if you did the 1st mythic dungeon quest) = BUY WEEK
june 18th: bullion 9 (or 11th if you did the 1st mythic dungeon quest + 2nd DUNGEON QUEST) = BUY WEEK
june 25th: bullion 10 (or 12th / 14th) = BUY WEEK

you didnt get at all what i was saying

[fast edge]

Ah, I thought mythic quest week was next week

[lusty grotto]

no

[fast edge]

I did not get what you were saying sorry

What's next week then?

[lusty grotto]

hoooly

please read

[fast edge]

If this week is timewalking, and next week is not mythic quest. Then what quest is it next week.

[lusty grotto]

some garbage quest that doesnt matter

open your in game calendar and check

[fast edge]

Did not know I could see there , appreciate the tip , ty

[fickle tundra]

Heyo, any other resource/guide to start cleaning up my prot spec-rotation other than wowhead/pins?

[lusty grotto]

wowhead/icyveins/pins

theres no rotation though its a priority

SS > TC > Revenge/Execute(at less than 2 targets)

thats it

[strong forum]

It really is that simple

[tribal wharf]

this is protection warrior, cant be convinced otherwise

also doom

shield + weapon

[tough patio]

That quest should come back for those that missed it :]

[crystal iris]

Anvil and grieftotch are nice too

[lusty grotto]

prot specific

[crystal iris]

We all are now if we want to get into pug keys !

[crystal iris]

Is dreadplates good in raid?

[lusty grotto]

no

only in voti council i guess

defensive wise its good for raid, the other half not so much

offensive wise its still better than nothing

[echo egret]

Chargath : do I have to pay attention to facing him during the kiting to chains ?

[lusty grotto]

of course

you have to spell block

you cant spell block with your butt

[echo egret]

And when not using spell block ?

Like SW + trinket

[lusty grotto]

he still does blockable physical damage

[echo egret]

Ah ok, i wasn’t sure of that

[echo egret]

On a side note, it’s night and day when your dps insta-break a chain

Makes it so much easier

[lusty grotto]

there is 0 reason to ever not face mobs

zero

[echo egret]

you move faster to your destination

[lusty grotto]

strafe

learn how to strafe

[crystal iris]

I barely want to face that dude with my front I can’t imagine turning my back on him lol

[south zealot]

uhm akshwually in hoi i get agro on the first pack and then leap to the middle 2 guys

so i dont face the guys i lept away from

[lusty grotto]

[median tulip]

One of the important things to know is that if you charge (generally by a mouseover macro) at a target that's off to the side, the game doesn't update your character facing until the end of the charge. So you can charge at a 90 degree angle and still block until you end the charge (at which point you should be out of range anyway)

[crystal iris]

im missing 2%

anyone have ideas?

[grim pilot]

I have some ideas but it includes changing your route with what you already have

[south zealot]

same

skip the hunters right before chargath

[grim pilot]

lots of stuff

expand first pull

2nd pull onto boss

skip pull 12

pull more stuff at the end but its very tank bustery

skip pull 15

[lusty grotto]

why arent you pulling the first room

easy mobs

easy count

just dont pull them with eles

and they wont cast molten core

and then just play stops on the thaumaturges on their shit

youre pulling way too many hunters lmao

you can literally skip the entire count after chargath with invis pots

[strong forum]

you do this

[strong forum]

but requires evoker

[lusty grotto]

easy fucking route

[strong forum]

nah your pull 5 6 and 7 are bad

you wanna do all ofthose in 1

[lusty grotto]

oh, 5 is

[strong forum]

otherwise timer shit

you need to pull all of that in 1 otherwise timer will REALLY creep up

same with pull 2

its easy count

but you need to move ahead in the dungeon

[lusty grotto]

yeah

youre not wrong, but not im not at 18s

so this is doable

[strong forum]

timer is already kinda fuck before that

[lusty grotto]

i def do 5+6

in one

but yeah double hunter before chargath requires sleepwalk

not a week for that route anyway lul bolstering

[strong forum]

nah pretty sure bolstering doesnt affect routes

aside from last area

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt

just my pull 2 wont work with it

[south zealot]

LMAOOO bro i pulled flamegullet on a destoryer pack

and that shit fukjed on bolstering

[lusty grotto]

oof

[crystal iris]

pull 2 is like 3 or 4 thermaturges

[lusty grotto]

so?

[strong forum]

correct

its 3 thaumas

[lusty grotto]

thurmaturges are easy

[strong forum]

and since its pull 1

[lusty grotto]

just dont pull em with eles

[strong forum]

you lust+aoe CC them

and voila

[lusty grotto]

and if you do, you better do it on lust pull yea

[strong forum]

pulling small on first pull there, especially when you send aoe CCs and lust

is just griefing

that pull dies so insanely quick

that you only need to stop thaumas once

[lusty grotto]

this is true

[crystal iris]

this pull 2 is 6 of them lol

[strong forum]

3

its the patrol

and 2 sidepacks

the one nim linked is different

[lusty grotto]

are you looking at nome's route or mine?

[lusty grotto]

thats mine

[south zealot]

no shot u do that pull 2 in one pull

all at once

[strong forum]

its not

[south zealot]

okay i just wanted to make sure lol

[strong forum]

you chain once 2 thaumas are dead

[south zealot]

okay yeah

[crystal iris]

im looking for route for like 14 with pugs

[strong forum]

thats 1 long chain pull

[lusty grotto]

you dont but its not because of the thaumaturges

[crystal iris]

ahh kk

[lusty grotto]

thaumaturges are easy bro

why are you so afraid of them

BE AFRAID OF HUNTERS

[strong forum]

there are no hutners

on that side

[lusty grotto]

they will delete your group

[strong forum]

you only pull 1 hunter

in my route that is

[lusty grotto]

im just telling him cause he has hunter pulls on his route

[strong forum]

oh yeah those are illegal

but basically get inspiration from my route

you just pull more shit in the end

which you can turbo chain

[crystal iris]

nom pulls a lot at the end ya

what do those even do are they scary?

[strong forum]

cuz its good count and they do nothing but tank damage

[south zealot]

i hate pulling shit at the end

bc im a pussy

[strong forum]

idk i was turbo chillin on 16 fort

its when the pull lives forever

when shit is scary

[lusty grotto]

idk they arent bad, spell block owns them

[strong forum]

but before that 0 tdmg

[south zealot]

this is what i do

[strong forum]

thats so many hunters

aka 1 more

xd

[south zealot]

yeah i cant drop the extra hunter without picking up somethign else unfortunately

wait

i can im just lying for free

[strong forum]

yeah

[crystal iris]

i hate skipping the ones at spawn

[south zealot]

wtf why was it in the route am i stupid

[lusty grotto]

lol

[crystal iris]

if anyone needs to run back its RUP

[strong forum]

yeah

so is the timer

if you dont have pumpers

[lusty grotto]

skipping the ones at spawn? wat? 🤔

[strong forum]

like we literally just had a bad timer

in the 16 i did

cuz route was bad

no big mistakes

just slow af route

so we had to run it back on 15

then played the new route

and gained 8 minutes

💀

[crystal iris]

your pull 3 is chained right?

[strong forum]

no

well

[south zealot]

first area is chained on thaumaturges deaths

[strong forum]

chained as in

[south zealot]

and then on boss

[strong forum]

you use a chain to kill it

but its all 1 pull

same with pull 4

all 1 pull

first area is also 1 normal pull

no chaining

all of these pulls are regular pulls aside from pull 9 and 10

no "once this is dead we go next group"

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2161966236?t=1h44m33s

can see here

i did fuck up pull 1 tho

i missed to grab 1 pack

[drifting dagger]

look at that clean ass UI

[crystal iris]

i just tried that first pull

it was fkn legendary

cheat procced at like 13 stacks of bolstering

I should probably kite earlier lol

[strong forum]

that would be recommended indeed

[lusty grotto]

its bolstering yea

thats why its a week

next week too 😄

[drifting dagger]

bro next week can suck it

[lusty grotto]

sanguine fort wake me up the week after

[rigid yew]

damn, I'm reading pre-patch will be July
Was not expecting an Aug release date

[south zealot]

sanguine fort is unbelievably dead

atleast on tyran each sanguine isnt millions upon millions

its just like

millions

[rigid hull]

ok so why am i getting stunned in azure vault first pull?

[south zealot]

the tree

need to kick jt

it

[rigid hull]

ah okay

not pulling that shit in pug

its not my job to kick that is it

[south zealot]

whoever is assigned to it

if youre pugging just kick it

[south zealot]

you have to do the first one and the 3 around leymor

[rigid hull]

its gonna be weird i have to go inside kick go back and pull the rest

[south zealot]

i dont pull that tree in the first pull tbh

key is so insanely free no reason to take any risk at all

im too worried about living the 4 stacks of the dot i have bc everyone overlapped ccs

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[zealous goblet]

man you got an aoe stun, another stun, and a kick

you better be atleast shockwaving the little flowers

[lusty grotto]

stuns dont work on tree

only kicks

[zealous goblet]

yeah thats why i said the little flowers

[lusty grotto]

thats not the problem

[rigid hull]

never said little flowers are the problems 💀

[lusty grotto]

its just a key level 22 pull

you dont need to do it in anything below that

[south zealot]

i mean ppl are 2 chesting the 21

“ppl”

[rigid hull]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-gif-20569892

[south zealot]

so u dont even need to do that on a 21 i dont think

[lusty grotto]

you right

[south zealot]

probably not even on a 22

key is so insanely free on time

probably on the 24 tho u need that

[strong forum]

24

Sir?

What 23 is gonna be timed to give you a 24AV

[strong forum]

I do

[south zealot]

this is a great question i didnt consider lmao

only in tgp

37 junkyard amen

[strong forum]

It is kinda funny tho that AV was one of the tightest keys in s1

So they buffed the timer from like 33min all the way to what it is now

And now it's the easiest key of the season

[rigid hull]

is this a season 4 thing?

they just dont give a shit about balancing

[strong forum]

Yes

[rigid hull]

classes/dungeons

[south zealot]

season 1 was insanely balanced

besides temple of the jade serpent being borderline torture

[strong forum]

S2 was really good before 10.1.5

[grim pilot]

wasnt

[south zealot]

i still liked s2 when i got to play the game

[grim pilot]

post nerfs

at the end of the season

in final state

[strong forum]

Yeah not at the end of the season

[grim pilot]

initially ye

[strong forum]

Like I stated

[grim pilot]

it was one of the hardest keys

well tightest

[strong forum]

S2 was most balanced

[grim pilot]

and then they gaev it

[south zealot]

besides chilling for hours in queue, s2 was sick

[grim pilot]

4 MINUTES

[strong forum]

Until dooooom patch

[grim pilot]

well 2 or 3 minutes in s1

and then it went even more before s4

s1 final timer was 35:30

and that was considered balanced

[south zealot]

its still amazing to me they just ripped aug mid patch

[strong forum]

Where hpal, druid, mage and aug

Got unleashed

And spriest

[south zealot]

spriest has been op since s1 bc they did relevant damage and could pi someone for free

[strong forum]

Meanwhile uldaman

Fucking "accidentally" released with a 1min shorter timer

[south zealot]

av has ports and movement speed and the run backs still take forever

[strong forum]

Eh nah

Only to get to 3rd boss

With new route where you just immediately jump down to 2nd ring

And play 0 trash on first ring

It's fine

[jagged gust]

wasn't that when they mega nerfed annulet?

[south zealot]

is that the tech now

why play 2nd ring instead of the top ring

[strong forum]

Annulet was nerfed earlier than that

[south zealot]

dude i forgot annulet existed

[strong forum]

It was never intended to be a ring for s2

But they just didn't give a shit to nerf them

[jagged gust]

I was like ilvl 400 doing 20k dps auto attacking, annulet was the most deserving nerf i ever seen

[strong forum]

Annulet was supposed to only be a ring for s1

Annulet wasn't even worth being worn in m+ in s1

It was only a raid parsing ring

Losing 1 entire Ring worth of stats, aka 9% of all of your total stat budget

Was not worth

For tanking keys

[urban portal]

yeah probably rough for tank survival

but it was crazy for a lot of dps

[strong forum]

It was good for healers!

But offensively it was not the play in keys

Even for tanks

Good tanks*

If you were average or bad, the ring was huge dps for you

[jagged gust]

I was a baby tank afraid of doing 20s in S2 S1, it was definitely huge

[urban portal]

that doesnt sound right to me

since a lot of dps ran it

[south zealot]

a lot of ppl run rageheart

[urban portal]

and flat damage is better for tanks than dps

[strong forum]

I don't think they did

[grim pilot]

p sure it was till they nerfed it

into s2

[jagged gust]

I trust that nomer knows more than me in this case

[grim pilot]

it was like super bis

for basically everyone

healers dps

tanks

[south zealot]

i remember it being worth but that was also fucking months ago

so idk

[urban portal]

i know for a fact that ret pal ran it and that class was op

[strong forum]

Arms didn't even run the ring in raid

How the fuck

Did people run it in keys

[jagged gust]

S2 was when it got nerfed in to the ground, but i think they also changed the interaction with the heal/damage gems after S1

[strong forum]

That just seems troll af

[grim pilot]

okay so

some people ran it

[south zealot]

it is amazing how many ppl play ret

[grim pilot]

nerf and andy didnt

[strong forum]

Cuz I mathed it out with Andy

[grim pilot]

everyone healer

[strong forum]

That it's not worth

[grim pilot]

I've checked so far

did

some dps have too

some havent

[south zealot]

is jack the goat rdruid or what

[jagged gust]

Generally the advice here in S2 was to drop annulet for a myth ring for the extra stats if you were considering pushing

[strong forum]

If you did 70k+ dps in keys as tank without annulet, it was a loss to play

Offensively and defensively

[urban portal]

it was like 50/50 on logs

in top 100

theres a fucking onyx annulet gems column on wcclogs

what technology

[strong forum]

The only combo that simmed remotely worth was storm + the broken combo

But storm could ninjapull

So I advised against it

Running freezing was only a pure ST dps gain

So it was a loss everywhere else

[south zealot]

storm eaters boon

[strong forum]

Not that one

Smh

[south zealot]

lol

[strong forum]

Boon was and is still turbo troll

[south zealot]

but the dam

[strong forum]

Yeah...

The dam...

Of 1 pull

And then it's shit for the rest of the dungeon

!!!

So guud

[south zealot]

yeah but like the dam snd stuff

and

[strong forum]

People only look at Sims for boon or for that 1 huge pull where it did 80% lasher dmg

[grim pilot]

I mean nobody serious ever ran boon

or what

and people follow top players

[strong forum]

People need to learn to understand that just because X Sims well in a perfectly secluded environment where you hit 100% of mobs 100% of the time, is not representative of actual aoe pulls or m+

[south zealot]

i think it was used in mdi(?)

[strong forum]

Don't think so

[south zealot]

but its not a serious keystone trinket

[strong forum]

3min cd is really fucking shit

For mdi

[grim pilot]

even if it was it's still a bit different

[strong forum]

Cuz mdi is shotgunning big every single minute

[grim pilot]

mdi is a specific type of play

which doesnt apply neither to regular 22's nor to high keys

[south zealot]

for some reason i remember seeing it played in aa and it was one of the teams that went to vex

[strong forum]

I don't remember s1 mdi at all

Except for the fact that people played forgestorm

And feral

[grim pilot]

btw @strong forum

[south zealot]

bless forgestorm

[grim pilot]

andy played ring

in ruby

[strong forum]

Sure

Everyone at some point did

Cuz it was new and shiny

[south zealot]

i love when ppl play proveably bad items the whole season

[grim pilot]

it was his

last key

ngl I love how role reversed

[strong forum]

And you're certain he just didn't log out in raid gear

[grim pilot]

on past dungeons

I dont think tanks ran gt and icon in raid

but dont quote me

on that

[strong forum]

Cuz Andy private logs, if at all

[south zealot]

why wouldn’t they

[strong forum]

Soooo

[south zealot]

that sounds right

[strong forum]

What every tank ran icon in raid

Why would you run anything else

Icon + grieftorch was the best combo for your raid

[grim pilot]

ive no idea

either way

[strong forum]

S1 straight up didn't have any other trinkets

[grim pilot]

going back

I love how role reversed compared on some keys

neltharus is now one of the hardest keys in pugs

and nokhud 2nd boss is piss and 3rd boss is the giga boogeyman probably the hardest boss in the dungeon pool

[south zealot]

i like neltharus

[grim pilot]

tho I didnt really push keys

in s1

so my highest nokhud played is like 24 or 25

[south zealot]

assuming you skip all the hunters, key is pretty fun imo

[strong forum]

Neltharus was always historically hard, the timer was just a meme because of chains

[south zealot]

it has iron docks vibes

i liked id just spoiled by stars

[strong forum]

Nokhud the hardest wall was 2nd and last boss, but Aug + turbo healers fixed those

[grim pilot]

Magmatusk was hard at the start ye

but then he got like

3 nerfs

[strong forum]

Magmatusk got nerfed like 3 times

Ye

Chargath still a buggy mess

After 6 "fixes"

[grim pilot]

they "fixed"

it

[south zealot]

that boss has a new bug every third time i do it

[strong forum]

Last boss still a meme

[grim pilot]

meme if youy had decurse

[crystal iris]

I cant time it today

[grim pilot]

in s2

[strong forum]

But atleast wardens aren't omega doom for us any more

[grim pilot]

if you didnt have decurse

it required lots of healing

[crystal iris]

not even a bursting thing DPS just cant handle the bosses

[south zealot]

i miss doing the first pull of nelths lair

immediatelt dying

[strong forum]

Cuz turns out if you buff d-stance, ignore pain, demo shout, give us a better tierset and a whole lot more stats... We can kinda tank now

[south zealot]

and then running it back

[strong forum]

And there's people still saying

[crystal iris]

prot warr slaps rn

[grim pilot]

its no vdh but its strong

[crystal iris]

CC would feel fine if it wasnt for the comparison with DH

[strong forum]

That pwar isnt as "strong" as it was in s1

When we're like 30-40% stronger

[grim pilot]

I mean

maybe comparatively

to other specs

[strong forum]

Yes

[grim pilot]

idk how it was

[strong forum]

What

[crystal iris]

like if I dont like 1-2 DPS on magmatusk charge then I lose them to the forgemaster boss

[grim pilot]

Well wasnt pwar stronger than any other tank in s1

[south zealot]

prot pally was better at literally everything compared to pwar

literally everything

[grim pilot]

wasnt that

post

rework?

only

[south zealot]

no

[grim pilot]

or whatever they had

[strong forum]

Pally was just bugged

[grim pilot]

because all top groups ran pwar before

[strong forum]

no

pally wasnt run

cuz nobody ran pally

[south zealot]

also meta takes a bit to realize properly

[strong forum]

until andy and kiea unzipped them

[south zealot]

vdh wasnt mass played in s3 early on

[strong forum]

ppally had bugged sentinel

[south zealot]

lot of guardian and prot pally

[strong forum]

everybody hyped the shit out of prot war

so nobody bothered with prot pally

[grim pilot]

yonteau is otp pally no?

and he was one of the top pallies

[strong forum]

sure but was he r1 rio?

[grim pilot]

r2

[south zealot]

also had naowh do that 20 cos with like 5 items equipped

[grim pilot]

1 key behind andy

[strong forum]

thats not the point

myrt

[south zealot]

just further made ppl believe prot warrior was so op

[strong forum]

im talking

before people rerolled to pally

[south zealot]

he wasnt literally rank 1 io so nobody cared what he was playing

[strong forum]

exactly

people only were made aware of prot pally existing because andy and kiea slowly creeped up

on world rankings

[south zealot]

yeah i remember watching andy early season everyone asking him why isnt he on prot warrior

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/iTZAl5c.png

2022 btw

[south zealot]

fake

what happened sl s2

[strong forum]

every tank was playable

[south zealot]

i rejoined the game halfway theough

[strong forum]

but andy as the only prot pally dominated the leaderboard

with thaner on resto shammy

nobody could get even close to doing keys as high as andy did on prot pally

everyone else was stuck on bear

[south zealot]

andy is just multiple key levels better than everyone else

[strong forum]

and look what happened

andy on prot pally and thaner on shammy in s1 DF

[lusty grotto]

bunch of fellers

good fellers

[strong forum]

anywho

to circle back

[south zealot]

back when bonedust brew was monstrously op

[grim pilot]

ok that looks

so fun

and so balanced

[strong forum]

yep

it was the most balanced season in wow

[grim pilot]

missing more than 1 war at number 20

but

we take what we can

[south zealot]

i was doing like 16s in s2 sl

[strong forum]

pwar was too hard

compared to other tanks

[lusty grotto]

i was doing 0s in s2 sl

cause unsub

(:

[strong forum]

s2 was when i started doing meme keys

like 5 warriors

[south zealot]

u played kyr prot warrior in s2, yes?

[strong forum]

which eventually evolved into 5 tanks

yea

[grim pilot]

the further we go into m+ seasons

the more meta strict it is

[south zealot]

wait i was alpha as fuck

[grim pilot]

and comp strict

[south zealot]

not bad not bad

[grim pilot]

imagine in 2 years

how is it gonna be

[south zealot]

well s1 wasnt like that at all

[lusty grotto]

meta is also super apparent now cause gearing alts is easy

[south zealot]

atleast in my experience

[grim pilot]

s1 had 2 tanks

[south zealot]

having alts in shadowlands was expensive as fuck

[lusty grotto]

whereas in past expansions you were outright fucked with whatever you picked

[grim pilot]

and 2 healers from pug experience

it was rsham pres

and pwar ppal

[lusty grotto]

the alt thing is a good thing, but it propagates meta for sure

[grim pilot]

everyone wanted an sp

[south zealot]

i played blood dk in s1 keys

[grim pilot]

cant recall what else

[south zealot]

i was doing like 24s so not super real keystones

but never struggled to get an inv

[grim pilot]

I started playing in s1

so I was doing

same

23-24 max

tried like 1 or 2 25's

but that's it

[lusty grotto]

lol i didnt even get close

[strong forum]

oh god a bebi

[grim pilot]

and I was never ever getting invited