protection

[hearty stump]

what's the play on higher keys tyrannical with melidrussa in RLP? Do you just time ignore pain with every single frigid shard and spell reflect off-cd?

[lusty grotto]

ignore pain you use regardless as a rage dump

spell reflect, spell block, wall

[hearty stump]

so you basically don't touch any other rage spender in that fight unless you get revenge procs

[lusty grotto]

bro what

of course you SB

there's 0 fights in DF that you do not have SB for

[grim pilot]

Sb is also more damage

[hearty stump]

sb?

[lusty grotto]

shield block

[grim pilot]

Shield block

[hearty stump]

I mean..

That's on by default

[lusty grotto]

so i guess you mean revenge?

[hearty stump]

y

[lusty grotto]

this is prot 101

you use IP on 60+ rage

its off-gcd

revenge is ONLY used if SS and TC are on cd

only

no other reason to use it

the default "rage spender" is IP

[hearty stump]

gotcha

[lusty grotto]

because its available in between GCDs

[proud silo]

ive heard (i think) that a good strat is to save a spell reflect for when the run-out mechanic is about to go off to take less damage from its explosion and reflect the frigid shard that comes right after, but otherwise i think you just use it on cd

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a good time to SR

but SR is available every 15s

so it SHOULD be used every time its up

just hold when the vacuum starts

[hearty stump]

Alright, so frigid shards shouldn't be that big of a deal and SR only when the overlap happens?

[lusty grotto]

no

read what i just said

[hearty stump]

yep

[grim pilot]

Sr on cd

Have something up

At all times

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[grim pilot]

Demo shout spell block shield wall

Can sit in d stance if needed

That boss can absolutely hurt

If you dont prepare for it

[hearty stump]

Is there like an optimal heavy CD rotation for it? Based on what comes back the quickest?

[lusty grotto]

just dont overlap cds

spell block lasts a long long time

[hearty stump]

yeah, so sending one after the other

[lusty grotto]

sure

[hearty stump]

I'm just thinking what would be the order

since afaik shield wall comes back quicker with spending rage?

[lusty grotto]

you can wall first i guess

[grim pilot]

Sr on pull

[lusty grotto]

it really doesnt matter

[grim pilot]

First is always reflect

[south zealot]

i use sr on pull, go into shield wall on the 3rd cast

[grim pilot]

Then either just dont overlap

[south zealot]

depending on ur dps i typically use spell block after 1st phase

[lusty grotto]

remember treemouth

[hearty stump]

I guess looking at the cooldowns it could go something like SR (then on cd afterwards) -> demo -> Shield Wall -> last stand -> spell block -> demo back up again?

[lusty grotto]

and/or rageheart i guess if you have that

[hearty stump]

yeah, that too

[lusty grotto]

factor it in on cd rotation

[south zealot]

u can use demo like 3 times in that rotation

[hearty stump]

I've treemouth

[lusty grotto]

anyway im

[hearty stump]

whenever it's up that is

Just to have the highest uptime on having a defensive up other than ip/sb

[errant ledge]

Is it bannable to make a sequence macro in my g hub app and make it toggle to repeat on/off?

Anyone have any experience using g hub or corsair ICUE macros in wow?

[ruby berry]

If there is not one physical button press per GCD action it crosses into the territory of potentially being identified as a bot. I would look up some gnome sequencer macros if you're looking to automate things but not get flagged. It requires a button press for each action but will mostly automate a rotation(not always well).

[errant ledge]

Yea, I kinda had a feeling due to the automation part of it. What do you mean by gnome sequencer macros? If I just cast my abilities line after line they are supposed to work like a sequence macro, no?

[ruby berry]

It's a mod that facilitates custom macros that would cast buttons in an order. I've seen it but not really dug into it. They're great for those who might not have the physical abilities to use a keyboard or mouse normally.

And I don't know about how to write a sequence macro, I'm a simple guy who just zugzugs.

[errant ledge]

Ah ok, I looked it up too I understand now thank you. I found one, but is this safe to use? Or does this also put me on the line of risking automation?

[ruby berry]

I don't think they break any rules whatsoever. Everything is very open it looks like and nothing is really automated as you're constantly expected to hit the button physically for every ability.

Which is usually the sticking point between botting and playing.

[errant ledge]

Alrighty, sounds good. Thank you for your help!

[ruby berry]

Good luck and very welcome

[jagged pier]

its a thin line i cant remeber what it is, but they cant explicitly ban sequence macros because of disabilities etc

but im pretty sure u need to at least input somthing, i used to play with someone what had 2 buttons 1 for ST and 1 for aoe and they never got banned

but as ultra mentioned they dont always work too well for instance they really dont work for prot warrior as theres never a defeninitve answer one what to press next

[sand pebble]

the rule is as long as its 1 button press for 1 action its perfectly ok, cast sequence is fine but full automation is not

a macro also cannot do the 'thinking' for you - they broke the ability for macro scripts to use if>then

[sand pebble]

Using hardware to automate something is 100% bannable, dont do it

[round thicket]

Hey to maximize dps, do we have to use revenge or shield slam proc with 4+ targets ?

thank you so much for your help

[jagged pier]

u dont use outburst on TC until like 7 targets

6 with avatar

[sand pebble]

pretty sure they are asking when to prio revenge over shield slam

and im also certain that answer is never

[round thicket]

maybe i don't understand but speaking only when TC not up and i have a proc of shield slam, don't know if i have to use this proc or revenge

[jagged pier]

revenge is your lowest prioity button

[round thicket]

never ? shield slam proc is only ST no ? why use it instead of revenge ?

[jagged pier]

because it does more damage

and gives rage

which gives u more damage

[round thicket]

Shield slam proc more dmg than revenge on 4-8 target ? 😮

okay thx

[jagged pier]

i dont think u understande the undlying of the spec SS is your generator revenge is a spender they haeve different situations on when u press them

[sand pebble]

that doesnt even account for tier proc

ss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> revenge

[round thicket]

Okay i could see what you mean, but generator for what ? if i have already ignore pain and shield block on me with TC on CD, what is the most important spender instead of revenge ? i think i'm missing something 😄

[sand pebble]

generate rage, spend rage on ip > reduces avatar via am AND heals you

yes even at max ip, you spend on ip

[jagged pier]

also spending on IP is a 90% chance to proc tier set

[sand pebble]

^

[jagged pier]

revenge is like 15%

[sand pebble]

and ip off the gcd

[round thicket]

thanks for helping guys ! what is am ? i could see what you mean now, thx a lot !

[jagged pier]

like on 5 targets revenge does like 120k ish and costs 20 rage
a SS does most fo the time 40-50k (non crit and non outburst) + 70k fetid proc and gives u 20 rage regardless of targt count

[sand pebble]

anger management

[round thicket]

ok so revenge it's just a filler when no proc of SS , TC on CD, Shield block and ignore pain already applied . Last filler so

[jagged pier]

yer

if u dont have anything else to press, u press it

otherwise u dont

[round thicket]

cool thx !

[violet ginkgo]

guys, have you ever experience where "Spell reflect" not reflecting/deflecting on boss?

[ionic fern]

Yes.

It's a known bug that it sometimes fails to reflect/deflect.

Not really sure what's causing it. Haven't found a way to replicate it properly.

[violet ginkgo]

Ahhh no wonder so it is a known bug because Earlier I "fail" deflecting Last boss AV dragon strike, I am pretty sure when the moment he cast I already got spell reflect up but the reflect buff not consumed and then I got damaged as normal.

Then the easiest reflect ever in last boss HOI, after knockback cast SR, I never miss that but suddenly this time I miss once out of 3 casts, the other 2 success.

Thanks for the info Mwahi so it's not just me doing bad I thought there is connection issue or something.

[crystal iris]

It’s super counter Intuitive usually spenders are supposed to do more damage but in this case SS and TC will do way more damage than revenge as will dumping into IP even if it’s full

[lusty grotto]

spenders doing more damage hasnt been the standard

there was a time when it was the other way around for some specs

that has always been a changing thing

[echo egret]

AA tree boss tyrannical. Is there a key level where it’s hard to to kill the tree add before the next round of small adds ?

In other words, if that happens, is it because of bad dps not focusing it enough ?

[grim pilot]

18 tyra is still high enough to kill if you dont fuck up, but it was giga tight there for me

[crystal iris]

I only started in SL where its been the standard

Ret Pally, fury warr, arms warr, ele shaman, demo and destro lock,

SL prot warr probably too

[lusty grotto]

no

ss generated rage in SL

[crystal iris]

and it was our top DPS?

I thought I remembered revenge being way better in SL

especially with the seismic reverb leggo

[lusty grotto]

yes it was our highest damage

MoP made MS generate rage

before that it cost rage

after that it cost rage

bloodthirst is currently a rage generator

it cost rage before cataclysm

probably before wrath i would say

of course BT is not really fury's hard hitter anymore

but that wasnt always the case

there is no standard, its Blizzard

in fact MoP was when SS changed from a rage spender to a generator

thrash and mangle are usually bear's highest dmg on keys

they are generators

raze is kind of tied a little bit with mangle, and that's a spender

not all classes work the same way

BDK/VDH have high damage spenders

Bear/Prot War have high damage generators

prot pally is kind of a hybrid

cause both sotr and avenger's shield are their highest key damage, and judgement which is a generator

sotr being a spender

so yeah 0 standard cause Blizzard

[plush tendon]

[lusty grotto]

and thats more than fine tbh, keeps the class identity crew at bay

[plush tendon]

I did like in SL when Revenge was a heavy hitter

little sad that its kind of like slapping a mob with a pool noodle

[lusty grotto]

i liked it better in BFA

when TC fucking slapped

and was uncapped

[plush tendon]

BFA Prot War was just a menace

[lusty grotto]

it was fun times

[south zealot]

yeah sometimes it just doesnt work

you can use it 2 seconds early and theres still a small chance it doesnt work

[plush tendon]

looks like Dracthyr Warriors coming at some point in War Within

[south zealot]

dracthyr is a really good race

[plush tendon]

idk what they are going to do with the racials

[south zealot]

2 aoe stops lol

[plush tendon]

they seem way too overloaded

[south zealot]

panda racial is a st incap on a 2 minute cc

[radiant mortar]

@lusty grotto my uh arc isnt going great

[south zealot]

and dracthyr has 2 aoe stops on 1.5

[lusty grotto]

at least dracthyr cant be VDH LMAO

[lusty grotto]

wym

[radiant mortar]

UH is so weird to play, my brain cant get around it

tbh I dont like how the guides are written either, no offense to the writers

[lusty grotto]

unholy arc you mean?

idk i havent played unholy

ripnimchip is ilvl capped 😄

and now to farm cosmetics

[jagged pier]

took u long enough

[radiant mortar]

yes sorry

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

Depending on how the handle the racials I might swap to dracthyr prot

I also just love the image of being an infinite dracthyr warr

hoorah

[violet ginkgo]

Need the big dracthyr model and then colossus time

[radiant mortar]

bulky dracthyr would slap

[blazing condor]

they're trying to de-twink our dracthyrs

[violet ginkgo]

then they suddenly "Oh DH Dracthyr seems like a good idea." Then the requirement for high M+ become VDH Dracthyr, not just VDH

[radiant mortar]

[humble schooner]

as long as you are able to stay in human form, I might switch as well, however I hate the dragon form

[pallid quiver]

They've mentioned that you can pretty much always stay in visage as other classes; you'll still need to be main dragon for Evoker, though

because, uh,

hard to cut someone with claws you ain't having

[humble schooner]

I just various transmog toys when playing my evoker just so I don't have to see those stupid wings lol

[crystal iris]

Are VDH keeping their double sigils in TWW?

Might as well just make one now if so

[rose pier]

how do we join the timewalking raid ?

[plush tendon]

Theres no indication they are losing double sigils, but they also are not receiving much attention from blizzard right now in War Within development

so just play what you like; if you intend to push for title or going for HoF, youll be incentivized to adjust to the meta whatever it may be... but if you are at that level, you were going to anyways

[crystal iris]

It's more that I just want to get into pugs easier

and if I can carry the group a bit, all the better

I'll keep the warr I'll probably just level a meta DPS. Been warrior since I started playing

I do actually enjoy prot a lot

my complaint is more towards arms / fury

[plush tendon]

tank meta ebs and flows; it wasnt that long ago (early S1 DF) where prot war was in the same position as VDH

[crystal iris]

I started playing prot this season as a meme just to get into keys thinking i'd die but its super solid

[plush tendon]

and its way too early to tell what will be good in War Within; theres also the benefit that the first season of a new expansion no one knows whats good

[crystal iris]

I just see things like doubling the first 3 pulls in HOI where if I try that on warr the group is going to die for sure

[plush tendon]

so everything is viable

[crystal iris]

then theyl call me a crazy tank and group falls apart

[median tulip]

Why is it that every time Protection Warrior is good (late BfA TClap build, late SL Banner build, etc) we get the fuck nerfed out of us, while whenever VDH is good they get treated like they deserve it?

[plush tendon]

well, Prot War was meta S2 of BFA and S4 (S3 they were neck and neck with brew, but that was such a shit show of a season anyways)

but its super obvious that blizzard doesnt really care about S4

[median tulip]

Well S4 BfA was a normal season, not an extended break

[plush tendon]

I cant imagine that we walk into War Within and VDH is still fundamentally just a tier above everything else

also, there things in this dungeon pool that Prot Wars are insane at

Leymor and Umbrascale are now 'hard' tank fights for a VDH

I dont think I've ever even thought about those two on my Prot War

but, if I was a betting man, Im thinking BDK becomes the new hotness in War Within S1

purely cause its getting the most attention

I also think that all the caster dominance in these past seasons also has hurt Prot War stonks

[median tulip]

Caster dominance has been largely possible because of the insane amount of control and interrupts that VDH brings, which makes ignoring interrupts a viable DPS strategy

[plush tendon]

I mean it was the same in S2, especially with the rise of the god comp

but S3 was.... interesting when it came to interrupts

the nerfs to sigils CD and Cycle of Binding have brought them much more in line with other tanks especially when taking into account the changes (so far) for war within

[crystal iris]

barely

they still have 2x silence, 2x stops and god knows what else

they babysit the entire team who just sits back and pumps damage

until they get one shot by a boss

healers do usually like not having to touch me when im tanking

[vocal cave]

for dmg execute or IP fishing for set procs?

[strong forum]

both

dont oversend IP

dont oversend execute

gotta find a balance between both depending on current situation

dont just blindly send either

or ignore either

[vocal cave]

prot would be better with fury's version of execute btw

imho

[jagged pier]

dont know what u think we can do about it, we've been saying it since it came back in SLs

[vocal cave]

surely its gonna get changed in 11.0 right

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

he thinks prot will get any changes

[jagged pier]

[rigid yew]

Every patch note I scroll to the bottom of prot changes and get disappointed. It's a toxic relationship with patch notes and my class

[jagged pier]

just jam man

[empty sparrow]

how many ilvls is leech on a head worth for higher end M+ content

[jagged pier]

0

higher ilvl is better

[median tulip]

I deliberately level a Shaman every expansion. It makes every other class feel loved by the Devs.

[blazing condor]

dungeon finder for LBRS/UBRS is silly

queued in for LBRS but ended up doing UBRS first and then LBRS cus no one knew the way

[south zealot]

i agree but also execute doing relevant damage was nice in sl

[south zealot]

definitely never lose ilvl on helmet that makes ur enchant worse

shouldnt drop ilvls for leech in general but especially not on helmet

[oblique garnet]

Just jam straight out to unsub

[oblique garnet]

Thats because we actually had enough rage gen to get many 40 rage executes

miss this so much ;_;

[crystal iris]

Do you guys go Left or Right in Nelth this week?

[tough patio]

Brewmaster monks: First time?

[pallid quiver]

It also refunded rage back in SL, iirc

[oblique garnet]

It doesnt anymore?

[pallid quiver]

Not for Prot

[oblique garnet]

[pallid quiver]

It's a talent called Improved Execute in Arms tree, iirc, that enables it

[south zealot]

it also had ashen juggernaut

[strong forum]

And rage refund on execute

[south zealot]

conduit

[strong forum]

Which we no longer have

A 40 rage execute spent 40 rage, but we only used 32

Which is huuuuge for AM

[oblique garnet]

We shouldnt have played properly nome

Maybe they would have left us some goodies

[strong forum]

I doubt we got gutted because 3-5 people played prot properly

[pallid quiver]

I think our base rage gen is technically than in SL, but banner and conduits made it scale real the good

[strong forum]

Maybe we did

[pallid quiver]

*better than in

[rigid yew]

I just want twilight devastation back permanently

[oblique garnet]

This is the reason why banner was never considered as talent tho

[vivid orchid]

banner would have been nuts

[pallid quiver]

I never found banner that interesting, but it was neat having the rotation accelerated by as much as it allowed

[median tulip]

God I want banner back so hard. Actually skillful gameplay? Yes please

[crystal iris]

send help

[strong forum]

That's 60 more applies than I would've made this season

Especially this current week

[crystal iris]

I just want to play the game lol

what are you playing this season

[half hornet]

is bolstering like stupid hared to tank? I didn't think it would be that bad since it's not fort week, but man am I having trouble tanking. (14's)

hard*

[crystal iris]

it hasnt been giving me any trouble

[half hornet]

are you pulling small packs? What level have you been doing?

[crystal iris]

every now and then there might be one mob left over with 8 stacks and i'll pop a defensive for it or kite

13-14s as well, pulling as big as I can

[pallid quiver]

Depends on how your DPS handle building bolstering stacks and what you do around that, but it's a playable set of affixes

[crystal iris]

not really considering bolstering unless its something that will kill a DPS. Any pulls in particular giving you trouble?

[pallid quiver]

Not necessarily fun to tank,

but playable

[crystal iris]

more fun than next week

[azure nimbus]

Next week was so free… this week too… pull big just kite at 6-7 stack, like said higher, depends on dps and how the can handle this affix… big guy should always be first prio tho

[half hornet]

Maybe i just don't like to kite very much. But one of the pulls I'm having trouble with is the first pull in Ulda where I normally pull to first boss. I'm having to cut it like two small packs short and still scared for my life

[crystal iris]

i mean

duh

you just hoping to body 4 casters 6 basilisks and 2 mobs that give everyone else 20% more damage and then the small adds bolstre them too?

pulling up to the 3 basilisks is still a big pull lol

[half hornet]

That's why I'm asking for help. I figured I might be getting overzealous. I main arms and i have no problem tanking 12's but as soon as I get to 14 with bolstering. ya

[crystal iris]

ya those bleeds from the basilisks hurt, and the pull isnt necessary for a 14

plus depending how many of the small leapers you pull, those will always die first and bolster everything

(pretty sure they bolster)

try this

or if youre DPS isnt deleting the pack, you can even split that

but you need defensives for when those basilisks bolster, and you might need to kite them to avoid the bleed. Uld is tough on tanks

[half hornet]

Okay I will try this. Thank you very much!

[crystal iris]

GL

you guys go right or left in nelth?

fk it im done. get me out of here

[strong forum]

Always left first

[lusty grotto]

yeah theres no reason to go right

unless you wanna grief your lusts

right side tyrannical used to only be a thing in tyrannical s2

because chains were fucking broken

[south zealot]

it can be hard

[south zealot]

left

[plush path]

hello

is fueled by violence better for aoe and brutal vitality better for boss fight?

[south zealot]

theres no consesus on which is better just pick what you want

i personally use brutal vitality

[strong forum]

For boss fights brutal vit gets more milage

And on aoe it doesnt matter, both scale linear with pull size

[zealous goblet]

that being said

i imagine brutal is much kinder if you're griefing rotationally and stuff

some pulls i just forget to revenge

i'm just thinking out loud though, i literally have no numbers or idea

[north knot]

Hi, stupid question potentially.. everything i've seen says we use Revenge over Whirlwind in pretty much every occasion, however Whirlwind seems to do more damage? Is there a reason we prio Revenge and/or am i missing something

[plush path]

revenge causes bleed and u get free revenge procs from tiem to time

thats it to my knowledge

and some talents give bonus dmg to revenge

[north knot]

Oh, does Whirlwind not cause the bleed to proc?

[plush path]

i think not

[north knot]

That mighta been what i've been missing

[south zealot]

revenge is less rage and has seismis for more damage

and procs deep wounds

and gives you ss procs

and whirlwind doesnt proc our tier set

[plush path]

that too

[south zealot]

why? idk it just doesnt

[north knot]

i'm only playing prot warrior in remix at the moment, so no worries about tier or anything

I was just confused as to why 99% of everything said "whirlwind is trash, remove from hotbars" while revenge was top tier lmfao

but if Whirlwind doesnt proc the bleed that makes enough sense for me

[lusty grotto]

revenge isnt top tier

its dead last in our prio

WW just isnt used at all

in remix of all places revenge should barely be used, deep wounds doesnt do shit when shit dies asap

and in the content where something might last just a fraction of a minute, its probably in heroic raids and mythic soo

and you dont need to apply deep wounds via revenge there since devastator covers it

our same prio applies

SS > TC > Revenge/exec

[north knot]

Gotcha

Mild follow up while my brain's on prot warrior, i saw a few things recommending "Into the fray" for up to 10% haste over "heavy Repercussions" (shield block extension + shield slam extra rage), is there any active explanation for it other than more haste = more buttons?

[lusty grotto]

in non-remix

SB is a hastened cd

[south zealot]

more haste is more rage from using more shield slams and more damage from shield slams and more shield wall from more shield slams etc etc

[lusty grotto]

faster gcd means more rage gen since potentially more SS resets

[south zealot]

haste just makes everything better and flow quicker

[lusty grotto]

haste is the prime stat in non-remix

[north knot]

Wait, haste affects GCD?

[lusty grotto]

above all others

yes

[north knot]

fml

[lusty grotto]

thats why your gcd is faster when you lust

[north knot]

okay thats solved like five classes worth of questions

lmfao

[lusty grotto]

in remix though...

you have so many fucking stats that it really doesnt matter

dont hard focus one

get over 50% haste or more

but dont hard focus it

all of the other stats buff you offensively (and defensively but in remix that doesnt matter)

theres no point in min maxing there

into the fray is absolutely broken in remix though with the amount of haste you can accumulate

since more haste makes ITF stronger

[north knot]

Honestly, for some reason my brain was just going "oh yeah bloodlust, that lowers your GCD by 40%"

Turns out, my brain wasnt working

Tyvm

[lusty grotto]

lust is also % based which means it has no diminishing returns

(just like into the fray )

[north knot]

Okay, and i'm assuming because Thunderclap is prio just behind Shield Slam i probably don't need Rend on the bars either, as Rend is applied through TC?

Like no reason to ever manually apply it

[lusty grotto]

no rend, no whirlwind, no slam

all of this is pinned btw

[north knot]

Yeah the inital "should i use whirlwind" i saw, but didn't understand why, was kinda the issue

[lusty grotto]

its garbage

[north knot]

Nothing I read into told me why whirlwind was bad, just it was

[lusty grotto]

and even moreso in TWW lol

[north knot]

Which was odd bc in game it says it does more damage, so the noggin was confused

[lusty grotto]

higher rage cost, even lower damage

in TWW

[north knot]

i've not even looked at TWW yet lmao

[lusty grotto]

we just dont have a gcd for it, and no talent helps it out enough

its just there because they needed some baselines for the class

in DF

[pallid quiver]

It's there due to being a pre level 10, specless skill for Warrior; it's their aoe they get

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[pallid quiver]

Pretty much the instant you get Revenge, Whirlwind loses value because either at the same time or shortly after, you get the ability to reset Shield Slam with it, which is more damage than either button in most cases

Level scaling while levelling might screw with that, but

that's scaling, which works in magical ways

[north knot]

Scaling is one hell of a drug

Oh, final question I promise. Why don't we take Enduring Alacrity? 10% Stam and Armour seems insanely good. Is it just a case of lacking talent points?

[pallid quiver]

The one near Ravager? we

we do now after its buff

[north knot]

Wowhead has lied to me, I C

[pallid quiver]

Wowhead isn't updated yet

It should still have Battering Ram selected if that's the case

actually

I see it selected on wowhead

so it is updated

[north knot]

Yeah, the one I stole from there has Battering Ram

Maybe it's updated from a couple days ago

[pallid quiver]

you grabbed the leveling build then

Since it was updated last month if the note at the top of the page is correct

And the only build without EA is the leveling build

[north knot]

Ah.. I think I nabbed the AoE raid build

That's my bad

[zealous goblet]

today is the day i take the training wheels off and become a man

i am removing the 30 rage cap talent

oh, sidenote, uh, how do my fellow prot warriors handle stray trash in dungeons? like the slimes on first boss of azure vault, or the ambushers in uldaman during the trogg boss. is it dps duty to bring it to the tank?

[rigid hull]

would u run anvil in nokhud high keys as prot war? @lusty grotto , rageheart = bad buy
last boss slaps
i really watned x2 defensive trinekts
prolly managable still
if i rotate defensives

conductuive strike does alot of damage

[lusty grotto]

reflect it

or spell block it if reflect is down

anvil is kind of rough in nok anyway

[crystal iris]

I used to have SO much trouble with this. Now I try to keep abilities for it. Drop ravager in the middle as they spawn so they run i to it

[lusty grotto]

the fly overs reset stacks, its great for the bosses though

[rigid hull]

IS THAT the spell he casts in second phase?

or

[lusty grotto]

yes in 2nd phase

[crystal iris]

Yes. You’ll reflect for like 7 mil

[lusty grotto]

1st phase is a bleed

[rigid hull]

oh i mean

hwo do i deal with the bleed one?

[lusty grotto]

you have to mitigate it, or get fucked by the 2nd hit

[rigid hull]

can u block it?

[lusty grotto]

no

[crystal iris]

You just mitigate it

[lusty grotto]

dstance wall demo shout

all work on bleeds

dwarf, caut

[crystal iris]

Reflecting this will change your life

[rigid hull]

yy i reflect this one

i was happy to finally beat nokhud 14

then it was my mistake

at the end

[crystal iris]

Also I think the first phase the hard part is that the bleed increases damage taken for the next tank buster

So I pop def last minute so it’s up for the next hits

[crystal iris]

Use leap to your advantage to you can leap and as you land you AOE a lot of them. Shield charge does AOe as well and obviously roar

[crystal iris]

I’m actually not sure about ulduman first boss. It should be a ranged job to kick the one caster

But it’s a miracle if they actually do it

[zealous goblet]

aye, right now i've been using my leap and charges, but it feels hella awkward on some positions, especially those slimes

or when i mess up on mobs with frontals and there's a stray dicking around

[crystal iris]

The DPS SHOULD come in to bring them to you

But I’ve run keys where they run away from me and it’s like well fk you then

But holding a few AOE abilities really helps

Ravager one, AOE taunt next batch

The ones that spawn after the tank knock back should be easy because no one is behind you

[zealous goblet]

doesn't ravager chase whatever you target? i actually don't recall

[crystal iris]

No it just sits in one spot

[zealous goblet]

that don't sound right but i'm not ingame rn

[crystal iris]

Nim probably has some backstory on it. Maybe it used to but now it just stays on the ground

[lusty field]

So new to warrior tanking and got my warrior up to 506, picked up rageheart and ended up getting all-totem master, decoration of flame, rumbling ruby and festering splinter. I know next week I should be picking up augury, but out of the ones I have right now, should I be running double defensive (treemouth/rageheart) or should I run rageheart with one of the dps ones?

[crystal iris]

Treemouth >> rageheart

[zealous goblet]

what that mouth do

boy

licks lips

[crystal iris]

You can run 2 if you’re pushing difficult content, but generally warriors only run one if any. Why do you want to buy augury?

Do you have gholaks?

[lusty field]

yes

[crystal iris]

I run treemouth and all totem or treemouth + cheat death

Usually some combo of treemouth and something

[lusty field]

Why not rageheart, thought that was the goto for tanks?

[lusty grotto]

ravager certainly does chase

its just slow as fuck

[crystal iris]

Nim gets summoned whenever Rageheart gets mentioned

[crystal iris]

Rageheart is fine, but you get a big shield that absorbs everything that touches it. Treemouth is the same shield but absorbs half of what touches it. So it lasts twice as long

[lusty field]

oh gotcha

[lusty grotto]

its not

[crystal iris]

And if you have ignore pain up, it cuts that half in half so you only take a quarter of the damage

[lusty grotto]

better defensive and offensive picks

r1 players just bought it day 1 cause it was strong in s3

they didnt ask their theorycrafters

[crystal iris]

It’s not bad though

[lusty grotto]

its certainly strong for some tanks though

[crystal iris]

Like it’s good damage and shield

[lusty grotto]

like BDKs

[lusty field]

ya was going off archon and was seeing it as most used in keys, granted i know thats showing 18s

[crystal iris]

It’s probably way worse in 18s than treemouth gets eaten right up

I actually prefer rageheart when gathering packs

[lusty grotto]

it does, but they usually are covered for their pulls

[crystal iris]

But treemouths is stronger when you have IP up

[vivid orchid]

tree is effectively nuts with ip

[lusty grotto]

tree is nuts with anything

shield block obviously being the most important

[crystal iris]

I’ve had treemouths on while gathering packs and had screen flash red because I’m spending rage on aggro and not IP

[lusty field]

and dumb question, is there a haste number I should be aiming for?

[vivid orchid]

yes

[lusty grotto]

not really

[lusty field]

lol

[lusty grotto]

stats arent goal posts

and your haste will be considerably lower with double bullion rings

just get as much haste a possible on other slots

[lusty field]

sitting at this atm

[lusty grotto]

% doesnt matter

goal posts

you wont get anywhere near what we cap at either way

thats incredibly low btw

whats the rating?

[vivid orchid]

guessing around 23% from rating

[crystal iris]

Aim for more for sure

Haste neck and haste ring goes a long way

[lusty grotto]

whats your haste rating @lusty field

[lusty field]

3852

[lusty grotto]

thats incredibly low

haste on all pieces that you can

[lusty field]

thats what i thought

[lusty grotto]

you should be playing heavy repercussions btw

not into the fray

[lusty field]

is that because of my haste?

so looks like ulda haste neck and hoi ring would help

[lusty grotto]

you will replace that ring with bullion rings

so make sure you have haste on everything

yes sub 5400 rating you use heavy repercusions

haste rating

[crystal iris]

Upda haste neck is really really nice

Got it myth out of vault

[violet ginkgo]

Need all the haste in the world

[warm plinth]

Good evening

[lusty grotto]

yooo

[jade widget]

Or whenever someone asks if they have enough haste

[lusty grotto]

[zealous goblet]

what the fuck is an r1 player

[lusty grotto]

rank 1

[zealous goblet]

oh

[crystal iris]

"is there a number I should have for haste?"
Nim: NO
"this is how much haste I have"
Nim: Thats not the right number

[lusty grotto]

we dont give out numbers cause an X number isnt what you should go for

and we cannot reach anywhere near the cap this season

as opposed to last one

saying 7100 will only make those people try to get 7100 by all means possible, which is not correct gearing

[crystal iris]

I mean its always ilvl > haste

but they can at least aim for 6000+

[lusty grotto]

people dont understand that

[crystal iris]

just had a DH tank run the advanced Uld route

yet when I try to drag the spiders onto the boss i lose a DPS on the way there

dude still died on first pull to the basilisks tho

[warm plinth]

Is someone bashing my rageheart bae

[lusty grotto]

how dare u

im doing hekili unholy in remix rn

and i have no fucking idea what the fuck im doing lmao

[warm plinth]

Also 7100 is actually not even the correct number

[lusty grotto]

i cant make sense of it

[warm plinth]

Wait hekili? Like the rotation addon? XD

[lusty grotto]

yeah i use it to learn new classes

usually i pick up really fast

i turn it off after

[warm plinth]

I've never tried it

[lusty grotto]

but unholy i have no fucking clue what im doing

[warm plinth]

I thought it would be interesting to use it for outlaw (since I already know how to play it) and see how bad it was.

But never got around to it

[lusty grotto]

like the idea is to give you some clue as to what is the prio

the shit it displays is giga scuffed with remix haste levels though

so it was a bad idea to begin with, you cant learn specs with remix ilvl caps

[warm plinth]

Oh so then I imagine it would be terrible for outlaw too

Since .8 sec GCD

[lusty grotto]

yeah

it would

[warm plinth]

Good shit

[lusty grotto]

ive been gcd capped a good while ago lmao

[unborn wagon]

Do we use defensive stance in keys?

[proud silo]

use defensive stance if its going to kill you to not use it

so, situationally

[unborn wagon]

I'd rather not constantly stance dance in keys

[lusty grotto]

then why ask

play whatever you want

[unborn wagon]

I'm not sure if we even used defensive stances because we are so tanky

[lusty grotto]

we do

just not in vault keys

or low keys

[unborn wagon]

Ya I am only doing 12s

[lusty grotto]

then you dont need it, but only you would know

[crystal iris]

oddly specific

[south zealot]

what a freak group leader

[lusty grotto]

report him for racism

that shit is wild

[south zealot]

why the fuck do people want summons to rlp

i mean its literally right there

[merry sluice]

why do dragon fly when tank can summon
Me dps special, I must get summoned!

[leaden shard]

Atleast hes honest

[median tulip]

I mean... same for literally every Dragon Isles dungeon, really?

[blazing condor]

i mean theres a difference in going to RLP and going to neltharus

most ppl just fly around valdrakken anyway

press 2 abilities on your dragon riding and youre there

[torn gulch]

I ve tested flying to every df dungeon from valdrakken and you re there in under 1 min to all of them except maybe bh and av and with those 2 there is a tp shortcut between 2 towers

People are just lazy

[ashen owl]

Tp?

[torn gulch]

Yes if you opened the tp network

You fly from valdrakken to the north east of plains in 10 15s then teleport near camp antonidas in azure span then you re 20s away from both bh and av

And you have dungeon portals as well if you did 10 s

In conclusion people are too lazy

[oblique garnet]

Dont they get bad ping in NA?

[median tulip]

I'm clearly a nerd about the dragon riding, because I know exactly which landmarks visible on the horizon from Valdrakken to aim for to be on a direct route to each dungeon.

Also I tend to hang out on top of the main tower while searching for a party.

[jagged pier]

i just use my protals

🤷

[blazing condor]

i do that too

then we deplete

then i fly

[vernal storm]

😭

[quiet pagoda]

😂

[echo egret]

At higher tyrannical keys, what's the best way to deal with poison stacks on the tree boss in AA ? Assuming I don't have any poison dispel in the party ofc.

[blazing condor]

probably just good cc

since its their attacks that apply the posion

iirc

i remember in s1 some people argued for using Bitter Immunity talent but i can't see that being a viable option

[echo egret]

Well you can use it once during the fight, you still have 1 or two more add phases to deal with

[violet ginkgo]

because uh... they might be not on valdrakken?

[median tulip]

The single best method is to have a Shaman throw their earth elemental into the fight when the adds wake up; the Ele tanks all the little flowers, takes all the stacks and then explodes, leaving you unaffected.

However that relies on having a Shaman, and them knowing that particular tech to help the tank.

[echo egret]

... and having a shaman also ensures you have a posion removal...

[oblique garnet]

Just wait for summon

[median tulip]

again, you are assuming a DPS knows their class well enough to know to bring PCT. Most DPS are smooth-brained monkeys whose knowledge of actual dungeon mechanics is approximately zero

[oblique garnet]

Poison cleansing totem only removed one stack

Its the biggest bait

[mellow bridge]

not anymore pretty sure

they buffed pct at some point

yeah found it, since 10.0.7 it removes all stacks

[oblique garnet]

Idr which season it was when i played my shammy and got triggered by how useless it was

Before that i guess

[stiff wagon]

Hey guys, I have a question regarding Chargath in Neltharus. My understanding is that when DPS get chained. It's the DPS's job to walk the chain towards the boss so the boss can trip over it. I also will walk the boss over to the nearest dps chain to trip it over quicker.

Am I doing that mechanic right? Sometimes I see DPS not move and just stay there and move the chain towards the boss. Does the chain eventually prevent the victim to stop moving?

I had two DPS tell me I'm bad and now I'm unsure if I was doing the boss correctly.

[violet ginkgo]

DPS has to move and tank have to move it too, but mostly dps yeah

[stiff wagon]

@violet ginkgo Thanks. So I was doing it right then. :/

[echo egret]

do not expect any dps to move their chains if you’re pugging

They will stay immobile like in season 1 and insult you when you wipe.

[stiff wagon]

That's very true. I was in a pug.

Well, I'll go try this run again =.=

[echo egret]

Maybe if you remind them kindly at the beginning that the fight has changed and they now have to move themselves…

[violet ginkgo]

The dps has to set up the chain for you and you run through them, if they set it up nicely then it's easy but if they running like headless chicken then... dangerous

[stiff wagon]

Yeah... if memory serves most of my PUGs the chains are not set up for me. :/

And I'm taking heavy fire damage, and popping CDs to stay alive.

Like all the Chargath guides I'm watching right now are saying that a DPS needs to be ready to set up a chain to break instantly

That has never happened to me lol. So I'm usually quickly trying to figure out how to break them in th emost efficient way which ends up well not being so efficient...

[crystal iris]

I'm so fkn scared of these basilisks this week

[stiff wagon]

I was too, but it turned out alright...

[rigid hull]

same

[weary saddle]

run around the pillar during chomp

the pillar is my ultimate safety blanket. i never feared basilisks again once i learnt how to hide behind pillar

[crystal iris]

they dont chase you and bite you after?

[weary saddle]

they do chase u around the pillar. but as long as u are behind the pillar u know u are safe from chomp. the pillar is safer than stutterstep, because when stutterstepping it is not always the case u outrange the chomp because they are chasing u

[median tulip]

The idea is that the DPS should stretch their chain orthogonal to the tank to get max length and easiest breaks, and the tank moves however much is needed. But your average DPS player moves the tiniest amount necessary to get out of the fire and then stands there being a turret and expects you to run the boss miles around the room and walk through the fire to break chains, because DPS players don't want to do mechanics.

[merry sluice]

IDK if the average DPS player even knows what orthogonal means

Or if you do somehow get a pug DPS that’ll break chains

They instead roll stacks at the last second

[crystal iris]

just ask them beforehand to break one chain immediatly

then wait for boss leap (bc he will leap over chains)

and jump out of range so he runs over the next one (or 2) depensing on week

on fort ask them to cross chains in the middle and break both at once

[rapid belfry]

just wanna survive and feel chill, what trink can I buy from vendor with that? Fyrakk or enduring plates? Dont have festering trinket

[warm plinth]

Friend posted this in another server. Enjoy.

[south zealot]

bruh

[pallid quiver]

I'm kinda impressed they got enough rage for that many whirlwinds

[leaden shard]

Stop posting my breakdown

[rapid belfry]

I haven't even binded whirlwind on my bars, was using devestator as rage dump. A new keybind then

[merry sluice]

this is the second protwarrior in the entirity of df

that i've seen even have whirlwind bound

[leaden shard]

I hav bound i just dont use

[merry sluice]

you're on thin ice buddy

[leaden shard]

Whirlwind is perma bound to 4 on all three warr specs

[rapid belfry]

so I dont need to worry about whirlwind? Its a niche at certain point?

[leaden shard]

revenge is better in every situation and provides shield slam resets and applies deep wounds

[patent basalt]

never use ww on prot

[merry sluice]

just kinda there bc warrior needed some kinda baseline abilities, pretty outclassed once you get revenge

no reason to have it after that

[crystal iris]

I mean the overall seems low

[rapid belfry]

aah ok, from the details it seems like it was important >D

[leaden shard]

No the details is a meme

[crystal iris]

Ignore that lol

[rapid belfry]

I jsut failsafe using it on dev and mostly on ignore jsut to be safe and careless

but I cant find any gcd to use on dev mostly so its ignore

[crystal iris]

Dev?

[rapid belfry]

devestation something

[crystal iris]

Revenge?

[rapid belfry]

ah revenge its called now?

[crystal iris]

You shouldn't have devastated

Devastator. Are you using standard talent build?

[warm plinth]

Even if you did have Devastate, I'm pretty sure that doesn't cost rage?

[rapid belfry]

I have devastator, replacec devastate. I ment revenge I guess

its been since BFA I tanked on warr

[warm plinth]

Revenge has always been called Revenge

Devastate has always been called Devastate

[crystal iris]

Read through the pins lot of good info

You should only be using shield slam, thunderclap and revenge in that order

[rapid belfry]

I got it in the bones I think, just read it wrong. I always use it as you said

[crystal iris]

Execute replacing revenge in st when avail

[leaden shard]

no no use whirlwind its funny

[rapid belfry]

but fyrakk tainted heart is sweet? Disregarding the details?

[crystal iris]

It's fine, there are better options

Like treemouths, granyths

[rapid belfry]

I have cata, and haven't been lucky with tree or any m+ yet. Dont do raids

[stiff wagon]

Yeah.

I also had a Mage tell me he would not across the arena to bring the adds to me for Leymor Azure Vault. Then I told him okay I will bring the boss to you grab the mobs then.

[crystal iris]

Ya just jump on him

[stiff wagon]

I don't understand why people can't bring adds to you. They prefer that you go chase them while tanking a boss.

[crystal iris]

If you want a big ass shield and don't want to farm, rageheart is fine

[merry sluice]

I've definitely had some quesitonable situations on leymor

But my favourite is when they run ahead in HoI and eat a stealthed mob stun and die

[crystal iris]

My favourite is when ranged doesn't kick the caster add on bromach

[stiff wagon]

Bromach is always hectic and messy with me even when I tell them to interrupt. But I know not to trust them because they all tunnel vision on DPS.

[merry sluice]

I had an evoker try to rescue me ahead bc GO FAST mentality

ANd he rescued me into the stealthed mobs on HoI, and he got oneshot

funniest thing I've seen

[crystal iris]

Looool

[south zealot]

dont bind ww that details was super grief

[stiff wagon]

Lol.

[crystal iris]

Dps pullijg them isn't terrible though if I taunt fast enough

[rapid belfry]

I took it away already, didn't have a good keybind for it anyway

[leaden shard]

we need a gif of this, if you dont have one we need to recreate it

[crystal iris]

For the zealots

[merry sluice]

usually i dont mind if someone wants to help me get the invis guys, assuming they dont instant zugzug full aoe on it xD

[stiff wagon]

If thers a hunte rin the group, I tell em to use flare

[median tulip]

It ranks high on my list of "stuff DPS do that pisses me off", right after Monks that ring of peace stuff into my rear arc

[merry sluice]

I'm fine if they do it on my paladin (although paladin is brain off for these guys...) or warrior

Hate when they do it on my DH bc of the SoF bug and the fact i can literally just see stealthed mobs and click on them

[median tulip]

This is a literal "you had one job" moment

[stiff wagon]

@median tulip wish me luck I'm goign to try a +9 Nelth. 3 Nelt runs have endeed in failure.

[merry sluice]

IDK if its the fact its fated or what

But the quality, and the nonsense i've seen in pugs in like, mid-high keys is just insane this season.

It feels like the kinda stuff I'd expect to see at the end of a 'real' season

[median tulip]

I had one in Neltharus rescue me while I was clicking on the stew that makes the whole party go fast

[crystal iris]

Well I ran my own key finally and now I've got a 15 Nelth...

[median tulip]

Before you start, tell your party to bait the charge and stretch the chains

[merry sluice]

neltharus is still like my pug kryptonite

the pug affix makes that key like 4 keylevels higher i swear

[crystal iris]

yup

If they dont die on magma

[stiff wagon]

I feel like Fortify is easier than Tyrannical.

[crystal iris]

theyll die in the first 4s of forgemaster

[stiff wagon]

Good point.

[median tulip]

Low key Neltharus is easy, because the timer is fairly forgiving. High key Neltharus is pain, because the mechanics are NOT forgiving.

[merry sluice]

a personal favourite is everytime i try to skip hunters someone will invariably pull hunters
if i dont skip hunters, I will get flamed

No winning it in a pug lol

[median tulip]

DPS that pull shit I didn't want piss me off so much

[merry sluice]

also the thing i learned about neltharus is people still dont know magmatusk mechanics

[median tulip]

"bait the charge to the walls, I'm not dealing with the whole floor being lava"

whole floor is lava

[merry sluice]

pretty much

it is very vindicating to hear im not the only one suffering the same things in this dungeon lol x.x

[leaden shard]

Put the charge to the open doorway wherever you stand so theres just a line of fire that is actually like 4 lava pools in one spot and you just get one shot

[median tulip]

Pug DPS are by-and-large smooth brained morons with no real understanding of the game beyond details "damage done" pane

I actually managed to teach a fire mage in my guild not to knock stuff into my rear arc. I'm much happier with him nowadays.

[crystal iris]

whenever charge gets baited to a CLOSE wall I lose 1-2 DPS

[leaden shard]

Whenever charge is cast i lose 1 dps because someone always says ‘i was not in that wtf’

[median tulip]

Spoiler Alert: they were in that

[stiff wagon]

At least he was open to learn. I was in a group where a mage didn't know his role was helping out to dispel the afflicted. My issue wasn't that but the other DPS who just got toxic. Instead of telling him/her what to do they just said "Lol google it". I'm here thinking christ we'r ein a mythic just tell him.

Its not that hard to share what you know get htem to do what you want (hopefully) and have better run.

GAH.

[violet ginkgo]

While Anvil/Signetbrand is strong when the fight is more than 4 minutes, will it be a good idea to replace one of those with Augury for shorter fight or do we have something better for shorter?

[hearty stump]

On HOI last boss, is there a way to somehow not play the cast that the boss does after Squal buffet? I've seen some logs with prot wars that entirely negate it. Was wondering how.

[south zealot]

reflect it

[stiff wagon]

reflect it

[hearty stump]

The squal buffet or the deluge?

[stiff wagon]

reflects 2 million dmg

[south zealot]

deluge

it does a lot mroe than 2m if ur on high keys

[hearty stump]

So take squal buffet and reflect deluge

[stiff wagon]

yeah I was on +8

so it reflect 2 mil

[hearty stump]

I'm just on 13s but it's getting ouchie to facetank the deluge

[south zealot]

yes take the buffet

[hearty stump]

gotcha, so just take buffet and reflect deluge. Thanks!

[south zealot]

with defensives

[crystal iris]

that's HOI +14

[crystal iris]

Just in Uld the cursedd key

healer dies to standing in arrow on dawrf boss and calls me a terrorist with frontals doing 360 no scopes

Im like you didnt die to frontal, ude logs off

I just cant get uld off 12

[rapid belfry]

Can I go uproar for low key, wyrm farming? Or is bleed essential for a lot of other things?

[south zealot]

drop shockwave for uproar if you want

[rapid belfry]

feel I need more control than damage, its pug life,

[crystal iris]

you can also drop spell block and Disrupting Shout for 2x Bloodborne

[rapid belfry]

rarely see spell block in action, is tough as nail a big upgrade passive?

[south zealot]

no u take bloodbourne instead

spellblock is basically mandatory on higher keys

[violet ginkgo]

spellblock is just everywhere can't really replace it with tough as nail.

as fun as it is looks like, I just wish that tough as nail is not choice with spellblock D:

[rapid belfry]

i love disprupt shout, its one of my fav buttons. Can I loose something else?

[south zealot]

not really

[pallid quiver]

You haven't been making very good use of spell block if it hasn't been of use. Either doing content below your skill and gear level or not using it properly

[rapid belfry]

I'm just gearing my alt up, its 6-8 keys @ 500 ilvl for aspect and hero gear

and damage I dont need, but more control cause I have no idea what kinda group I'm in

[jagged pier]

how u gunna get to punish?

its a double node

even if u dont use spell block u still spec it cause u dont have the talents points

unless u drop bloodsurge i guess

[rapid belfry]

while I pull, tough as nail gets me some treath?

its so fast sometimes, cause big pumpers

[jagged pier]

not really at all

[south zealot]

yeah bloodsurge/disurpting

wherever that point is

only for doing max damage though, if youre doing any real keystones you want spellblock

besides aa and bh (dependign on route) where you can pretty safely drop spellblock

[pallid quiver]

If I remember correctly, tough as nails requires you to block, too

so while gathering, you're not really blocking that much since you're either not getting punched at all or non-zero chance of getting side clipped just due to micro mob movement

[tacit haven]

Ouroboreal Necklet bugged or does it just not proc that consistently? seems I only got like 3 or 4 procs throughout a full Uldaman, got Gholak, shadowflame patch, Seal ring, and helm enchant that can proc fire

[south zealot]

it just sucks

equip a haste neck instead

[tacit haven]

hmm, ok, thanks

[crystal iris]

another perfect bromach pug group

pally stuns the ranged caster so it stays out, ranged dont interrupt it

pally only brez dies rip key

[median tulip]

Yeah that sounds pretty typical

[violet ginkgo]

sad though that ouroboreal neck release at dragonflight, I mean while we can deal fire damage to gain nature shield, we can't really deal nature damage to gain fire shield.

However next expansion with mountain thane we can deal nature damage.

but at that time we will be way not using that necklace since TWW necklace will get higher ilvl

[south zealot]

it would still be bad

[pallid quiver]

unless literally everything decided to start pumping fire damage in literally everything. Then it'd be less bad instead of bad

[merry sluice]

maaaan I hopped in a rando +10 uldaman the other day to do some vault stuff on my dh alt.

The ret paladin bops me while im grouping the first pull

healer just gets annihilated before i can evne mentally react and cancel bop

[blazing condor]

time to put /cancelaura macros on every ability

[hollow marsh]

@jagged pier ya jakey how are ya ya jakey , can you share your armory ya jakey

[blazing condor]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/tarren-mill/Jakeyplops

[violet ginkgo]

gg jakey

[crystal iris]

Hahahah omg

[jagged pier]

why am i being called out?

[blazing condor]

cus ur the jakeynator

jakester

jakey chan

etc

[violet ginkgo]

because we want to know your gear stat, that BSL because you double it for playing dps?

[jagged pier]

i mean casual this season

and im coming in as dps on bosses if the raid needs me

which is more than i would like

[violet ginkgo]

so you feel that crit block often?

with that amount of mastery

[jagged pier]

I literally dont do content where my hp moves

so does literally nothing noticable

[novel temple]

I just got back from an underway, anything big change and I did just read the pins but I’m not really understanding the talent changes on wowhead

Like the m+ build and immortal m+ build differences

[south zealot]

play the regular m+ build

[pallid quiver]

They recently changed BSV to properly work and also retroactively work on damage that drops you below the threshold, DK Necropolis style, so the training wheels unkillable build is that you sacrifice a non-zero amount of damage for the inability to die at all as long as you can press Shield Block and Last Stand

[sick sentinel]

yeah BSV is hilarious in PvP unless they actively have a squad trying to pop everything to get it done

[pallid quiver]

like if they were smart, they'd see it pop and then just completely ignore you or just wait.

assuming they weren't completely ignoring you in the first place

[merry sluice]

nvm i learned a new hatred

you've heard of dks complaining about having mobs moved out fo their dnd

have you heard of dks gripping mobs you're grouping /away/ from you, evne when you have ravager shredding mobs on the way?

put out ravager on a pack im running by while grouping for chains in nelth, and he just fucking yoinks it xD

[strong forum]

Most patient dps player

[merry sluice]

I coulld've at least understood a random abom or something.
would still prefer they wait for me to group but at least i can see the brian-off zug zug thought process

straight up gripping them the oppsoite direction im running is a new one xD

[south zealot]

ill be grouping first pull in ruby

and see my ww sent cds on the first guy

like wtf lol

why would you ever do that

[lusty grotto]

you havent ran with dumbo rets?

prepare to have them pop wings + reck

on the first mob they see

losing their entire dps cause shit isnt grouped up and/or pulling threat

[pallid quiver]

My first ever M+ dungeon back in Legion involved 2 DK pugs who would both grip and taunt mobs, then complain I'm too shit to hold aggro

[merry sluice]

The real problem pull for me, even in the mid teens this season, has been Uldaman. By the time I get to basilisks on any tank outside my paladin and even then sometimes I still struggle with pugs I’m watching the dps a mile behind me doing their rotation in the other room lmfao

[pallid quiver]

I kinda didn't enter an M+ dungeon again until, like, Shadowlands.

though to be fair, I skipped most of Legion, played on week 1 of BFA, then played like 1 week of SL and came back late S3 SL

[south zealot]

dude this warlock was using rain of fire on the ruby fire elemental pulls

where theres 3 enemies

with 3 different health bars

[pallid quiver]

to be fair, there are times where using RoF with specific talents is actually what you do with 3 mobs

[south zealot]

so unbelievably grief on so many levels

[merry sluice]

RoF is optimal on 3 targets if havoc is not up

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[lusty grotto]

happens in every long pull

at the lower levle

at least

i.e. vault keys or lesser

[pallid quiver]

I think it technically requires Inferno for it to worthwhile, but, uh

there's no reason not to run inferno if running into aoe, so

[south zealot]

on that pack its literally never optimal

3 different hp packs, especially on bolster

youre griefing for pressing rof there

[lusty grotto]

if youre running vault or lesser keys always say

[merry sluice]

Havoc still won’t evenly cleave mobs

[lusty grotto]

"watch threat"

"big pull"

a 1 liner really

if they fuck up, well thats on them

[south zealot]

but theres 3 different hos

havoc middle one

target big one

passive cleave kills third at the same time

[merry sluice]

Oh yeah no definitely on them for rippin aggro

Less of a threat issue, but my favorite is also when they run up the stairs in algethar and enter combat with bugs while I’m grouping still

[lusty grotto]

yeah well lower/vault keys run more streamline routes for that level

so they dont expect "big pulls"

[merry sluice]

Oh no it’s not vault levels

I’ve had it happen in up to 15-16s in pugs 💀

[south zealot]

lol when i was spamming 2 rlps i would pull the entire first room

[lusty grotto]

bad putgs

[south zealot]

was always fuming

fun

why did it say fuming wtf

[lusty grotto]

dont deserve to be at that level then

[merry sluice]

The pug affix

It’s overtuned

[south zealot]

wdym

[lusty grotto]

it barely happens to me in 16s idk

[south zealot]

the bugs always come when you pull the right side lasher

unless you like super delay, no?

[merry sluice]

Autocorrect got drunk

[south zealot]

lol me and you both battling autocorrect

tragic

[grim pilot]

Man u can just see the difference 18-19 vs 13-15 just how much people fucking wait

In 15’s they start blasting insta

Or uh wait 3 sec and blast

And then they yell agro

In higher keys we always fucking wait so long till tank GROUPS EVERYTHING

[lusty grotto]

higher key players understand you lose a lot of dps by NOT waiting

[grim pilot]

And then start setupping

[lusty grotto]

dps and time

[grim pilot]

Maybe some priest fade shit but even as mage I wait so long till I even pop mirror

It just feels so clean and organized

[fervent gull]

whats bugged about Battle-Scarreed Veteran?

[strong forum]

its not bugged anymore

[fervent gull]

oh nice, worth taking?

[strong forum]

depends on you

[fervent gull]

ill give it a try in a few keys tonight

[strong forum]

felt dogshit to play in the 16 i did to test it

just by the virute of having it

i felt unsave when it wasnt ready

(i never needed it)

[fervent gull]

i know that feeling well

[strong forum]

like i dont play cheat deaths

[fervent gull]

is there a tracker to tell when its down?

[strong forum]

but by just having the talent

i felt weird not having it ready

so i just dont talent it

to begin with

its not a huge DPS loss ot play

but just awkward

[fervent gull]

i was thinking of moving enduring alacrity for it

[strong forum]

💀

no

you drop shield charge + champions bulwark

pins got you covered

[fervent gull]

ah i see what you meant by pins now lol

ill try it out in uld thats the only key im having issues with

[strong forum]

its only really first pull, then the fissure slam mob

and the pull after 3rd boss thats scary

aside from that there is nothing going on

[fervent gull]

last question i had was why do people take defender's aegis in some high keys and not others ive only been running impenetrable wall this whole season but im down to switch if its better

[strong forum]

its not better

they are sitting on 2 SW charges for 80% of the key

then panic use 2 SW within 10 seconds

and again sit on SW for 10minutes

[fervent gull]

that sounds like what i would do with it lol

[strong forum]

(Defenders aegis is not good)

it has EXTREMELY limited use cases

[fervent gull]

kk

[strong forum]

where you absolutely need 2 shield walls within 20seconds

or 4 shieldwalls in 2minutes

[zealous goblet]

heres my question: if revenge is so good then why doesnt it let me spin like a beyblade like whirlwind does

the guide writers are clueless

i'm actually kind of happy with these animations over classic, human warrior spinning like a ballerina for each devastate was kinda weird

[toxic pewter]

O_O

https://tenor.com/view/idiotic-billy-madison-stupid-rambling-soul-gif-16617057

[zealous goblet]

oi

i'm just saying those level 11 whirlwind boosters might be onto something

have we tried tanking with two 2h swords

https://tenor.com/view/crazyhamburger-gif-18267569

[novel temple]

But the immortal build on wowhead doesn’t have BSV

[pallid quiver]

the immortal build isn't even on there, actually, at a glance, only in the top

There's only ST, M+, and Levelling

[novel temple]

And the one to copy at the top doesn’t have it on the import string

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, it's supposed to be this one, just looked at that one:
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpFRRBBNVUVERRVFVZFUECVE

@strong forum You might want to poke around with your builds on the talent page, then, as a heads up

Immortal build you've got listed there has Bolster, Shield Charge with both capstones, no EA, no BSV

No spell block either

[novel temple]

Ok, that’s great that BSV got changed.

Also, is the plates trinket super good this season now?

[pallid quiver]

kinda?

It's usable now, but it feels bad to play with and doesn't do too much. It'll do even less next xpac due to Second Wind being MoP style, and if you go Colossus, you've got another safety net to slow you down

Dreadplates? They changed it so it always does its damage at the end of the duration, so it's strong now

Since you don't need to effectively, like, intentionally take damage and spit in the face of the defensive value to get offensive value

Now you get both, and they're both valuable in AOE

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/DAPAURUVUgRVARpFRRBBNVUVERRVFVZFUECVE

this is the training wheels build

[novel temple]

I just saw it high rated up in the trinket list on wowhead

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates? its absolutely bonkers

[novel temple]

And are we not picking up battering ram anymore?

[strong forum]

not since they completely destroyed it

[lusty grotto]

also it was usable in s2 as well just not in a low damage setting

[strong forum]

and turbo buffed EA

#protection message

[novel temple]

I saw that but rip