DH, monk, pally no
#protection
grim pilot
Aug dispel + vdh moment
frosty mango
So 2999 is kind of ok but 3k nty
crystal iris
So 2999 is kind of ok but 3k nty
You got it
But there's also a breaking point
Ill take like 3200
And higher
Because those fkers aren't picky they just enjoy running keys and playing the game
grim pilot
Yeah no
crystal iris
I love finding high IO tanks that just enjoy playing
You'll run a 15 and just miss timer, they're like aha it happens want to run the 14?
Meanwhile they dont even need for IO
fallow fern
I see servers are online.. but did they reset already? 🤔
dusky canopy
pallid quiver
I am, but I wanna play with Jakey and the EU crew, too, because cool people
lusty grotto
lol
pallid quiver
oh
fallow fern
Maintenance said till 11am pst.. it's 10:20 am pst.. so asking lol
crystal iris
I know sense has a chart for Spell reflects, but what are some more niche ones that require like running out
median tulip
another 10u40m until reset here
crystal iris
I know Nok you can run out and reflect storm boss, RLP you can do the ice shards
Last boss HOI there's something too
fallow fern
Gotcha! Thanks
grim pilot
Last boss HOI there's something too
You mitigate first and reflect the channel
Absolutely disgusting damage
crystal iris
Mitigate what
Ive been just reflecting when WA says to but idk if I'm doing it right
pallid quiver
You mitigate the knockback, reflect deluge after
crystal iris
Ohhh I've been reflecting the knock back
lusty grotto
strong forum
Ive been just reflecting when WA says to but idk if I'm doing it right
and thats why the weakaura is suboptimal
crystal iris
Thats why I'm asking !
Ok good to know, any other great ones?
HOI I basically try to reflect 2s before clap
lusty grotto
3k warrior btw
strong forum
hoi the important reflects are
ice shard
frostshock on boss
and last boss the channel after the knockback
valid hinge
Because those fkers aren't picky they just enjoy running keys and playing the ga...
3200 bdk this checks out lol
crystal iris
Ive only taked like 3-4 HoI runs
crystal iris
frostshock on boss
Frost shock on third is the slowdown right? It's more damage than the other ice shard casts?
strong forum
you cant reflect anything else on the boss
lusty grotto
hooooly
crystal iris
Mmm okay maybe I'm mixed up I dont have the abilities in front of me
lusty grotto
frog reflect too
strong forum
who cast ice shard once every 15 seconds or so
crystal iris
I thought she hammered you with random ice spells then did the frost shock right before you needed to run
lusty grotto
which doesnt do damage
solemn current
You might be thinking first boss of RLP
strong forum
and pulses aoe dmg
crystal iris
Ok so I was reflecting the right thing then
Firs boss RLP it's just reflect on CD basically?
When she casts on you
strong forum
not rly no
pallid quiver
The only ice shard type thing on boss sis RLP 1st boss
strong forum
you wanna hold 1 reflect during chillstorm
so you dont get overlap of chillstorm explosion+ice shard
so you dont get 1tapped by the combo
but aside from that, ye just on CD
strong forum
no.
pallid quiver
Just cheat death it and complain on the forums, bro, what's so hard about that?
pallid quiver
The dr will cover chillstorm popping, then you reflect the ice shard if it comes in time
strong forum
as the chillstorm explodes
pallid quiver
Yeah that
strong forum
so you dont get clapped by both at the same time
crystal iris
Nice
pallid quiver
Iirc you can also spell block chillstorm, so if that's running technically you'd be fine, but
strong forum
you can spellblock everything on that boss
pallid quiver
Better tonjust have it full muscle memory'd
strong forum
but you dont always have spellblock up
crystal iris
I might have been doing that too
solemn current
*if you face the chillstorm
strong forum
you can even spellblock bursting
pallid quiver
i dont think the dps can tho
crystal iris
And there's nothing to reflect on last boss of RLP right ?
strong forum
correct
just use it for stormslash
cuz you then deflect the magic dmg portion of it iirc
solemn current
na just DR
crystal iris
Nok stork I run out and reflect ez
The pulls before i have trouble reflecting with ppl using stops
Last boss it's only p2 i can reflect the tank buster?
crystal iris
Ulduman I just reflect like a DPS on third boss. 2s before clap and try to get the hurricane
frosty mango
and thats why the weakaura is suboptimal
Same with nokhud where it will tell you to reflect thunder strike on last boss and not hold for the next conductive
crystal iris
Oh ok so not thunder strike noted
frosty mango
You can also big brain the tempest boss
Run out when reflect is up and bait a wind bolt or we it’s called to reflect for a few mil each time
south zealot
nomer do you know if u have 2 warriors can you reflect both halves of the nokhud last boss
south zealot
does thunderstrike do real damage that way
strong forum
2mil
strong forum
not useless ye
violet ginkgo
but you have to be real coordinating with that choco, if you do that in pug... no guarantee.
strong forum
but conductive does like 9mil
frosty mango
but you have to be real coordinating with that choco, if you do that in pug... n...
I reflect when I’m dpsing, I just tell the tank I’m gonna do it and to taunt back when the cast starts
violet ginkgo
Plus you gotta do it with friend like Nome and Crit are friends, otherwise... I don't think anyone want to bring 2 warriors at high key
frosty mango
Rarely ever is it a problem
violet ginkgo
we talking about double reflect roid
frosty mango
we talking about double reflect roid
Yes me too
All they gotta do is taunt back when conductive casts and hit SR, the thunder strike is directly after it
violet ginkgo
pug accept 2 warriors in key? (tank and dps?)
south zealot
you can time full 18s with 4 warriors in the group
but meta too strong gg
utility and whatnot
violet ginkgo
oh with your friends obviously choco, you can also run 5 pally if you want but.... we are talking about pugs here
frosty mango
pug accept 2 warriors in key? (tank and dps?)
Never had a major issue getting into reasonably decent level keys as dps, 14-15 this season. If you’re doing 18s and 19s you’re not gonna find many warrior tanks pugging so it’s irrelevant anyway
south zealot
i know i just like getting tilted at the wow community
median tulip
thudnerstrike does fuckall
which is the one that can be dispelled?
south zealot
conductive strike
violet ginkgo
both can be reflected but you want to reflect the conductive
crystal iris
Too bad dragon strike doesn’t do damage from AV
There’s no boss reflects in AV right?
south zealot
it used to on ptr i believe
crystal iris
Or AA
median tulip
IDK I'm just used to that dispel on my priest
median tulip
There's still loads of places where the magic DR is useful
crystal iris
Oh you’re right I remember seeing that pop up
strong forum
infused strike, the dot
median tulip
half the trash in AV does magic damage
south zealot
irrelevant dont need to worry about it
violet ginkgo
What’s the frog reflect on HoI
deflect
Put it this way... if your party doesn't know what to do and running around with the little frog instead of stacking it at boss, you can "eat" the gulp with SR and prevent him on Hangry state.
grim pilot
u have to soak it
south zealot
you don’t need to reflect the gulp does nothing
south zealot
just be in the circle
grim pilot
which wont stack because it'll run out before 2nd soak
violet ginkgo
Too bad dragon strike doesn’t do damage from AV
As nome said it is deflect but you deflect a lot of damage though. I think there is 1 time this week I am suddenly lag in the middle of tanking boss and died because of that, last thing I saw that dragon strike hitting for 1,3M.
With that deflect you just basically 1,3M to 0 it.
south zealot
that boss does literally nothing to tank
crystal iris
I thought you didn’t need to be in circle if there were frogs in it
grim pilot
7,5m per reflect
violet ginkgo
you don’t need to reflect the gulp does nothing
south zealot
you dont need to reflect it
south zealot
just being in the circle prevents it regardless
lusty grotto
valk was pretty clear
if no froggies in him, you can reflect it
you dont need to ordinarily
south zealot
you don’t need to at all
crystal iris
Ya I usually stand in but last night I wasn’t in because I saw like 4 frogs in and it enraged
frosty mango
not sure honestly but the gulp literally doesnt do sntrhing
You do now
south zealot
even with 0 frogs just being in there prevents buff
frosty mango
They explicitly made it so a PLAYER has to be in the gulp
They updated the dungeon journal as well, it’s very explicit now
south zealot
i mean the gulp does nothing as in 0 damage to tank
frosty mango
Ya just stand in it as the tank every time problem solved
south zealot
theres 0 reason to not get hit by it
crystal iris
Think i was probably running from a frog
frosty mango
Think i was probably running from a frog
That’s why you got a shield bro
crystal iris
lol
frosty mango
Just take it to the face like a man
frosty mango
Decay surges add up, as dps you can reflect the poison circle thing from the last trash area (doesn’t cast on tank afaik).
crystal iris
Is it worth reflecting gutshot lol
Or is that all physical
I know it's not an actual reflect idk why i developed a habit of hitting it on that boss
pallid quiver
someone get wow servers up so i can get a bad vault and yell at blizz for ruining birfday
crystal iris
Hbd
pallid quiver
no it's supposed to be a bad day
frosty mango
We all get the same thing every week anyway.
A tier piece we already have
Two cloaks we don’t need
And a ring that might be an upgrade but we gotta socket it so it’ll sit in our bags until the end of the expansion
pallid quiver
i've actually gotten gear every week on my war
It, in fact, has been the only gear he's gotten other than 2 pieces last night
He literally just hit 510 last night
that's my main btw
violet ginkgo
Happy Birthday then Luerce
undone beacon
no it's supposed to be a bad day
Unhappy birthday
strong forum
no
grim pilot
that shows the ice shards in hoi
south zealot
no
grim pilot
I got one
strong forum
shows it
south zealot
and use my stuns to stun him and let him cast when im reflecting breath
lusty grotto
someone get wow servers up so i can get a bad vault and yell at blizz for ruinin...
happy bday!
grim pilot
time to test my new ui
in an 18
surely I wont have 300 extra bars that distract me
strong forum
you wont
its mostly just announcements
and you now see cast bars who is being targeted by what
very hadny
grim pilot
son of a bitch its so big
strong forum
thats what she said
south zealot
surely I wont have 300 extra bars that distract me
me when i imported liquid thing right before first ever pull on mythic fyrak
lusty grotto
lmao
grim pilot
me when i imported liquid thing right before first ever pull on mythic fyrak
man
I found out
my guild
uses diff wa pack
lusty grotto
myrtuu playing in 1080 like fucking naowh
strong forum
uses diff wa pack
south zealot
grim pilot
so I just
lusty grotto
myrtuu why do EU players play in 1080
grim pilot
myrtuu why do EU players play in 1080
idk
strong forum
myrtuu why do EU players play in 1080
sadly the majority still does
grim pilot
I dont pay attention
grim pilot
i been on 2k siiiince
2k dn
lusty grotto
yeah i moved up around that
every time i have to redo naowh's ui cause no 1440p it makes me fucking sad
lusty grotto
and the game looks like ASS playing on 1080 on a 2k monitor
strong forum
i have the same elvui profile i been running since bfa
pallid quiver
hell yeah, let's goi
strong forum
only fixed group frames last season when i picked up healer
lusty grotto
i actually just update his WAs and omnicd/bigwigs only
pallid quiver
sockets on two chars this week
lusty grotto
but i have to move omnicd stuff and bigwigs shit every time
strong forum
sockets on two chars this week
whats teh weekly quest reward
pallid quiver
unless i wanted to grab a heroic raid haste ring :L
strong forum
for TW
pallid quiver
Give me a sec to check
pallid quiver
Same reward as other TW, so the normal raid chest bit
I'd wager the Firelands timewalking awards heroic raid loot like BT/Ulduar did
Yeah, it's the same as all the other timewalkings so far; no soup cubes or anything else
ngl, now that I'm thinking about that haste ring, that's tempting; I haven't gotten Brood ring, and 1.6k haste would be kinda nice for Mr. No Haste over here
Oh, also, it currently looks like only Vault is awakened
The amount of shock and surprise is unmatched
pallid quiver
damn, his vdh has a higher helm than my war
lusty grotto
and mine
pallid quiver
my war is still rocking champion helm and chest
lusty grotto
checking chipadin
sockets for chipadin
chipadin's last 2 sockets in fact
reminder theres a craft available this week
south zealot
i didnt even do last weeks crafts
or last last week
i have 1 embellishment on warrior
south zealot
yeah ran out of aspects
pallid quiver
but that's money and i'm super cas
crystal iris
What’d you guys get
south zealot
will inform the channel in 10m when im on pc
lusty grotto
myth shoulders for chip
so myth helm for dh, sockets for pally, myth shoulders for warrior, not bad actually
south zealot
no leech gg
pallid quiver
smh he missed the secret proc of extra main stat on the dreadplates
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
yes
ok time to rush chipadin's keys
i dont wanna do these later when i have actual time to attempt to push
oh yikes
chipadin only needs myth chest and myth/crafted belt
and she will be ilvl capped
crystal iris
Chip is your ret main?
crystal iris
Oh I see
south zealot
jesus dude i got a worst in slot vault
lusty grotto
south zealot
actually theres a good belt but i have one thats very very slightly better
dont mind double sockeys tho
south zealot
5 timed keys
crystal iris
Or you blast through raid
south zealot
lusty grotto
and then it'll just be chest thats hero level
my pally will be done
(:
expansion over
retired until TWW
crystal iris
Debating making a VDH
south zealot
myth chest large uppies pog
crystal iris
I’ve got a pally alt that’s like 506 and a 522 mistweaver alt
south zealot
if u like tanking, brew is very fun
crystal iris
I used to have a lot of fun on arcane and RSham
south zealot
but its very hard with a ton of buttons
normal rampart
ayyy me too
lusty grotto
yucky for warrior
crystal iris
but its very hard with a ton of buttons
I remember hating keeping RJW up
crystal iris
Might try it then
crystal iris
Champ level plates?
normal rampart
yucky for warrior
whoops I was in wrong thread, just trying to tilt a guildy, ahah 😄
south zealot
its heroic
lusty grotto
rets certainly dont either
lusty grotto
and those 2 used it in s2
normal rampart
i dont think any class uses irideus
something something lock? i wasn't paying attention
normal rampart
3 min cooldown or somethign synchs with it
lusty grotto
yeah u right
strong forum
warlock is banned from using it
cuz you cant keep threat of a destro using that thing
south zealot
im pretty sure its also not great bc
your infernal is so insanely tstrong you dont need more power on it
probably better to have mroe consistent power
i might be making shit up for fun though idk
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Ya it’s a 1 key week
lusty grotto
next week is worse
frosty mango
Next week is also a 1 key week
lol
Bolster is doodoo and should be wiped from existence
lusty grotto
too many Durus in group finder
frosty mango
just getting hard declines cause 3k+ main
Shoulda stopped at 2999 bro
strong forum
Mythic forge storm over normal gholak?
Probably
frosty mango
Didn’t meet the class requirement
lusty grotto
true
well this guy knows whats up
i can make uldaman last boss ez
freedom carries
lusty grotto
yes
thats true
time sink doesnt last against fade or blink
no reason to freedom
(or dwarf)
strong forum
Straight up impossible to pug above 15s
strong forum
Every group is the same classes, the only thing that gets invites that isn't purple white orange dark green and light blue is pink
Everything else is not present
lusty grotto
crystal iris
just getting hard declines cause 3k+ main
Told you bro!
rose pier
Hi. New to war tank, i was wondering how war prot performs in raid ? Good ?
crystal iris
Hi. New to war tank, i was wondering how war prot performs in raid ? Good ?
Super solid
rose pier
dps wise ?
frosty mango
dps wise ?
If you’re asking this question there’s probably no scenario where class matters
The gap is functionally small enough that skill on a given class is going to outweigh class chosen
crystal iris
Classic roid non answer
frosty mango
roid is right
Can we pin this
lusty grotto
its a non-factor
if someone is asking that... he would have to give a little more information
crystal iris
I agree, but it still matters to us
crystal iris
Still a valid question tho
lusty grotto
not really no
crystal iris
It’s better than pally / bear. Behind brew and BDK
lusty grotto
if youre looking for a dps pick over anything else for mythic raiding, youre doing it wrong
crystal iris
Idk if I enjoy playing a tank that does a lot of damage to flex on my guildies In heroic runs, I’m not gonna pick bear or pally
lusty grotto
especially in a meme season
crystal iris
Sure it doesn’t matter, but for my case it does matter because that’s the fun I’m aiming for
frosty mango
Damage variance at 95% is like 10%
lusty grotto
the only reason to bring a warrior is to make sure battle shout is covered
not "dps"
crystal iris
You can pump on war tank
lusty grotto
which doesnt matter
frosty mango
That 10% dps variance is going quickly turn into 0% based on your skill
lusty grotto
☝️
frosty mango
You would do much better playing a class you enjoy than one you don’t because the actual variance is low so your skill weighs heavily on your relative performance
And you will naturally excel at classes you enjoy (accel? English is hard rite)
lusty grotto
💯
frosty mango
Tldr it doesn’t matter if you enjoy war tank you can be a pumper
strong forum
That dps variance will be reduced to 0 by having grieftorch resets
south zealot
any griefers
lusty grotto
south zealot
holy i guess sigil of flame is really that important
strong forum
Yes
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
uhh
strong forum
Well
lusty grotto
i mean did he have spikes up lmao
strong forum
SoF shouldn't be your only mitigation up
lusty grotto
and stacks
strong forum
You always need 2 as vdh
south zealot
idk i wasnt watching that intently
it was a 20 uldaman right before bromach so it couldve been the double rage guys or basilisks or whatever
south zealot
You would do much better playing a class you enjoy than one you don’t because th...
excel is correct sir
lusty grotto
speaking of which
lusty grotto
this vhd just got deleted on uldaman pull before bromach
pallid quiver
this vhd just got deleted on uldaman pull before bromach
i got deleted on ulda first pull because the berserker decided to take a step to my side before biting me ;-;
I just blinked, wondering why I went from like 70% to dead
blazing condor
i got the disgusting oozling on the first bag in classic and forgot it was semi rare
so i learned it
rip money
waxen frigate
i got the disgusting oozling on the first bag in classic and forgot it was semi ...
I have a hyacinth macaw in classic from pretty early on it used to be worth a ton
weary saddle
1st pull is basilisk bit you?
south zealot
just griefed my key so hard i might have to delete my character
lusty grotto
LOL
blazing condor
time to name change
pallid quiver
1st pull is basilisk bit you?
If that was to me, no, I mean the Diseased Bite from the Berserker trog; it hit me from the side, so I didn't block
so i kinda exploded since it hit like over 1 mil
Reason I was at 70 was because I had just cycled through some chomps from basis safe like
rigid hull
You would do much better playing a class you enjoy than one you don’t because th...
this
thank you sir
south zealot
crystal iris
just griefed my key so hard i might have to delete my character
Enlighten us
zealous goblet
i have a question about any rage consumption ability, seeing red, the one that reduces avatar, that kind of stuff
lusty grotto
anger management, you mean
zealous goblet
do they keep track of partial fills?
the extra 5 from ignore pain, revenge being 20 and not 30 for seeing red
are they rounded?
lusty grotto
they are fully taken into account
median tulip
It keeps the partials
zealous goblet
no i was listing the ones that just reward you for rage consumption
median tulip
They both work the same way
median tulip
i am getting sick an tired of the first pull in NO
only the first pull? Whole dungeon for me
zealous goblet
so for example, if i use ignore pain, am i healed for 3.5% from indominatable, or am i healed for 3% and then 4% on the second ignore pain when the two 5s add up to a 10
torn gulch
i'm never trying to double there anymore
south zealot
u get the 3.5%
torn gulch
no point
zealous goblet
ah ok gotcha, thanks
pallid quiver
tbh, this makes sense to me in terms of not wanting to risk splitting the population
frosty mango
They shouldn’t have said it was gonna open up then
lusty grotto
its better this way
people can farm non-awakened for mounts/leggos
plus retail isnt really thriving with remix and cata classic out
wouldnt make sense to have the few amount of groups
split into three different raids
pallid quiver
With all the bleeding we do, it's not as good damage wise as blood time
lusty grotto
so for example, if i use ignore pain, am i healed for 3.5% from indominatable, o...
are you talking about healing or rage consumption? im confused
what does healing have to do with seeing red / anger management
pallid quiver
He was talking about all talents that work off consumed rage
Indom or Outburst or anything
lusty grotto
it has nothing to do with it
median tulip
anyone tried Tough as Nails in m+?
I would not be willing to drop Spell Block
pallid quiver
Just as a whole
zealous goblet
are you talking about healing or rage consumption? im confused
all talents that work off of rage consumption
lusty grotto
ok but
pallid quiver
And was aslomg how it'd handle the 35 rage spent
lusty grotto
what does healing have to do with it?
south zealot
is it bait?
wdym bait
zealous goblet
you get healed off of rage consumed
pallid quiver
Would it heal for the 3.5%? Round? Etc
zealous goblet
from indom, no?
pallid quiver
Was his question, Nim
south zealot
its worse for damage than bloodbourne and you basically never drop spellblock
median tulip
what does healing have to do with it?
He's including Indomitable in the "do X when rage spent" talents that he's askiing about
lusty grotto
kinda sounds like hes asking about shit that doesnt really need more explanation
he was overwhelmed yesterday
why factor all this in
zealous goblet
it was a curiosity thing, it won't impact my performance much if at all
lusty grotto
a lot of it doesnt really matter
median tulip
Nim, quit being a douche towards someone new to the spec that's trying to learn, bro
zealous goblet
even "free" rage spenders
but i DID learn the free procs do count, thanks to this
lusty grotto
except you never use it
either way
cause free revenge procs dont matter
they count, but they dont matter
lusty grotto
😬
zealous goblet
so ur saying spec out of best served cold
finally, i can stop eating spaghetti from the fridge
haha do u get it!!!!1
sorry i peaked in high school
also if you eat pizza and pasta and stuff cold outta the fridge you might be a monster
god intended you eat these foods piping hot and hearty
median tulip
Cold Leftover Pizza is the breakfast of the gods
zealous goblet
Cold Leftover Pizza is the breakfast of the gods
not actually shitting on it, i just hate the texture. i got a weird tongue. i don't even like condiments
cinder storm
I only dislike cold pizza because its hard to munch on the crust
pallid quiver
you don't like chewing on ice cubes, Nim?
lusty grotto
apparently uldaman and nelth are getting nerfed
zealous goblet
apparently uldaman and nelth are getting nerfed
it might be like, 20 years too late for uldaman nerfs
unless you mean ULDAMAN: LEGACY OF TYR:TM: DELUXE EDITION
(preorder bonus) (alpha)
south zealot
common gingi w in tweet reply
south zealot
tyrannical isnt nearly as bad if adds and phases were under control
pallid quiver
I don't have a Twitter account and cba'd bypassing the no account restrictions, so I can't see tweet replies
what's goin' on over there?
pallid quiver
I think he should intermission twice as often, but only if you pull him on a minute that ends on an odd number
lusty grotto
this is all they did lmao
pallid quiver
Yeah, they mentioned those changes earlier
pallid quiver
I remember getting mirked by the purging flames visual where it wasn't at
so i'm at least glad with that
lusty grotto
lmao nish
waxen frigate
Prepared it on garlic toast
lusty grotto
i cant disagree
crystal iris
I think dungeon should end after ember on
I can’t believe they make modern dungeons with 5 bosses
Or with old school shit respawns like AV or HoI or nelth
What raid is vault giving loot for? debating opening as prot for once
Like is there a chance I get OCE?
Nvm can still loot as prot
eyy lets go all totem
lusty grotto
shadowflame better
vers is okay if you play arms
top is shadowflame striclty for prot though
allied/brez are alternativess depending if you play those specs
and/or if you need the brez
lusty grotto
shadowflame
mild latch
not raids
mild latch
ok cheers comrade
lusty grotto
its the same 2 for everything
fucking wild
hoi
10
cause i dont push on alts
its also tyrannical week lmao
which means ret no bueno
frosty mango
I had a ret do 650k overall in my aa earlier with no pi or Aug so they’re doin ok I think lol
lusty grotto
i can do that
just not in HoI
but boss damage is doodoo without full raid spec
hyperfocused spec
either your aoe or youre ST
frosty mango
I did 655k earlier as arms in neltharus
valid edge
are all raids open tomorrow?
frosty mango
One day I’ll break 700
lusty grotto
or you play some hybrid monstrosity (on tyr only) like me but still subpar on both
aka the no searing light build
lusty grotto
are all raids open tomorrow?
no
there wont be a "all raids open" thing
until prepatch
valid edge
ah okay
lusty grotto
anyway arms isnt hurt as much as ret
on hyperfocused talents
not anywhere near as close
which is probably the one thing i dislike about ret
but they are addressing it in TWW at least
frosty mango
Fury s3 felt great for m+ hybrid play
Arms this season with the hybrid build isn’t bad but I’m a mongo and play bone grinder ape build so I got doodoo st
lusty grotto
oh rip
frosty mango
I play hybrid if they let me dps something above a 13 but that’d never happen
south zealot
yeah playing bonegrinder is super grief
rigid hull
then it feels useless to do signet/anvil
i was gonna do smolderon HC
but i was like
for what
strong forum
ye like if you got dreadplate+anvil
youre set
i wouldnt play signet+anvil outside of "i wanna greed overall depese"
zealous goblet
hey is there a soft cap on haste?
i got like, 100 haste from a vault piece upgrade, and it doesn't seem to be affecting my % haste gained
lusty grotto
yes there is
frosty mango
yeah playing bonegrinder is super grief
For an 8 it’s ez Netflix
nocturne zodiac
spiteful storm any good? as a reference I usually prot in m+, arms in raid.
lusty grotto
no
spiteful isnt good for any of them
you should have enough bullions for better trinkets
storm is giga sim bait
nocturne zodiac
😦
lusty grotto
use it i guess
nocturne zodiac
ok, thanks for the info
pallid quiver
i wouldnt play signet+anvil outside of "i wanna greed overall depese"
or you forget to swap off after fighting fyrak ;-;
fallow fern
I got a choice between mythic crit/haste Bracers with a socket or a mythic tier chest... all my sim options show the Bracers slightly ahead.. so leaning in that direction since a tier chest can be obtained from any mythic chest.. what you guys think? 🤔
Right now I got Heroic tier and Bracers..
I mean.. it's splitting hairs either way.. but thats all I can do at this point haha
lusty grotto
why dont have crafted bracers
get tier chest, craft bracers
how are you simming, we sim differently
dont do hectic add cleave or dungeon slice
fallow fern
Was thinking that too.. but was maybe gonna craft a ring
lusty grotto
myth chest is harder to get
than a bracer
we have a 4th crafted piece today
you should have 4 crafted slots
fallow fern
Yea right now I got boots, belt and neck
fallow fern
But doesn't take into account extra Stam and shit
south zealot
what
lusty grotto
how are you simming
fallow fern
1 target 5 min
lusty grotto
^
south zealot
close
south zealot
broodkeeper ring is just highest ilvl so even without the shield its still bis
assuming u can finesse your stats around
but with the shield its just clearly the best
south zealot
but with the shield its just clearly the best
over any non eranog ring option*
fallow fern
I can buy one more item with bullions ATM.. and it's between gholak (I have Heroic version) and the shield ring..
south zealot
buy gholak now and get shield ring with next bullions
lusty grotto
we have 3 weeks of bullion buys starting the 11th
south zealot
max gholak owns
lusty grotto
crafting ring is a waste
fallow fern
crafting ring is a waste
Understood!
fallow fern
we have 3 weeks of bullion buys starting the 11th
What do you mean by this? Like 1 buy per week or what?
lusty grotto
correct
south zealot
for thise 3 weeks yeah bc the m+ quest
lusty grotto
week of the 11th is bullion #2, week of the 18th is the dungeon quest, week of the 25th bullion #2
so we have 3 buys without first dungeon quest and 4 buys with the first may dungeon quest
so basically
7 bullions total up to this week
9 if you did the first quest
so dont sweat bullion buys, you will have everything
this aint SL fated
its not just 3 dinars
lusty grotto
LOL
old flame
https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz I kinda want the boots
south zealot
we had dinars and people STILL USED CODEX
craft boots get gloves kr chest
looks like ur chest is hero and gloves are champion
old flame
okay, I'm really feeling the lack of haste in my setup atm
okay, so grab chest and I shoudl convert it, yes?
south zealot
yes
south zealot
okay, I'm really feeling the lack of haste in my setup atm
how much do you have
kind urchin
Someone in a key says "wtf even is this tank damage? That's just not right."
old flame
lol
kind urchin
I love it.
crystal iris
whats the big damage build for raids? Heroic
south zealot
Someone in a key says "wtf even is this tank damage? That's just not right."
great feeling
south zealot
whats the big damage build for raids? Heroic
just the raid build on wowhead
u can drop indomitable for slightly more damage if you want
but its like
pretty super grief
arctic finch
do the flies on the first pull in AA do a sting + mele hit or just a sting
cus i saw a mage die to it like 30 seconds into the pull and idk if he got aggro or the ability itself does a sting + a hit
grim pilot
cus i saw a mage die to it like 30 seconds into the pull and idk if he got aggro...
its so trash as a mage
I pop my mirror images on pull
and I still rip aggro
somewhere far along
the prio is real
waxen frigate
dude the trout gave me the luck i needed
zealous goblet
out of curiosity, because as i said, i'm a classic andy, does most of retail's threat come from damage, base threat of an ability, stance, or what?
lusty grotto
yes more dps = more threat
our highest dps being shield slam, and our rage generator, thats why its #1 in our prio
thats why DPS on tanks is super important
zealous goblet
gotcha
because i periodically lose threat on one or two stray things in a massive pull, and it makes me wonder
if a revenge bleed or something would've kept it on me
jade widget
so dont sweat bullion buys, you will have everything
Best comment altoholics need to see
leaden shard
because i periodically lose threat on one or two stray things in a massive pull,...
Theres a point where any mob you’re not actively shield slamming could be pulled off you even with it being tclap, full dotted and being hit with trinkets/other effects purely based off funnel classes. should be pretty rare to lose aggro in aoe aslong as you are similar ilvl. I’ve lost a lasher or two in AA just because it wasnt getting hit often enough with clap or revenge
zealous goblet
Theres a point where any mob you’re not actively shield slamming *could* be pull...
gotcha. it has been getting less common as i caught up with my friends, but when i started it was hell
made me seriously wonder
jagged gust
It's something like a 6x threat multiplier on your damage? Somewhere between 4-6
zealous goblet
oh jesus yeah that's vastly different than classic then awesome
jagged gust
I think abilities like heroic throw have additional modifiers, as well as taunt giving you an additional threat modifier for the time the buff is up
I don't recommend it, but you can talent in to the chain lightning heroic throw talent and that pack is gonna stick to you like glue
leaden shard
gotcha. it has been getting less common as i caught up with my friends, but when...
My feral friend was doing 1.4m (funnel) to a caster mob i for whatever reason wasnt slamming and he took aggro even with me at 600k dps in the pull, being lower ilvl is hell though for aggro
jagged gust
It's an annoying ability to use though, because it can chain to nearby packs or bosses causing unintentional wipes from time to time
pallid quiver
oh jesus yeah that's vastly different than classic then awesome
Not drastically different from Cata Classic iirc; I think we do more damage in comparison is the bigger thing. Cata's the xpac where they really did their best to kneecap aggro as a mechanic because it just wasn't really fun to deal with in terms of instance design
leaden shard
It's an annoying ability to use though, because it can chain to nearby packs or ...
Think last area nelth is a really bad area for that talent specifically
zealous goblet
Not drastically different from Cata Classic iirc; I think we do more damage in c...
oh yeah for sure the bulk of my experience is in tbc and wrath
tbc was actually cancer my friends forced me to tank heroic shattered halls phase 1 pre-raid gear
jagged gust
Nelth was particularily bad for it this xpac, NL was also really sus, I pulled second boss enough times by accident that I just dropped the talent point
pallid quiver
And even Wrath aggro was still easier than TBC aggro, which was easier than Vanilla aggro
zealous goblet
dogs would just rip your jugular out with an 11k bite and wholesome 6-8 pack sizes with a funny 4 target thunderclap
pallid quiver
there's a reason why when optimized, tanks in vanilla were just DPS, really
leaden shard
Dps with just enough gear to not get one shot so they could be healed before the next boss auto attack
jagged gust
Oof, TBC aggro, where my hunter's pet was the real main tank. Doing heroics in full sunwell T6 your pet may as well have been a 6th member.
lusty grotto
gotcha. it has been getting less common as i caught up with my friends, but when...
this happens also due to not having a max ilvl weapon vs dps that have way higher ilvl than yours including their own. Gholak 12/12 would be more than enough to handle that. A weapon is important because it increases the damage of all of your abilities, with the exception of devastator which is AP based
shield > weapon are the first and foremost upgrades a prot warrior can get
shield being the core of our defensiveness, and because theres no other piece which gives us block
except that one
lusty grotto
tbc was actually cancer my friends forced me to tank heroic shattered halls phas...
i did tbc fine, the original tbc
as prot warrior
not that classic bs
try SH without being in the last patch 🙂
i miss intervene reflects though
i used them so much in mana tombs and in my gladiator arc
i think those were gone by tbc last patch so im pretty sure classic tbc wouldnt have them
zealous goblet
this happens also due to not having a max ilvl weapon vs dps that have way highe...
aye i've noticed that ever since i got my weapon to 12/12
i've gotten my IP to 80%~ uptime roughly and shield block to 90%~, my next goal is training my mind to use shield wall and stuff more
i am far too stingy with them
lusty grotto
ip uptime doesnt matter
i thought i mentioned this to you the other day
just send it on high rage
thats it
dont track it
urban portal
this happens also due to not having a max ilvl weapon vs dps that have way highe...
it works on devastator
Weapon dps converts into ap
zealous goblet
aye, you mentioned it, but i figure it's a good metric for me not standing in bad since i'm only doing 10s~and stuff
it only depletes if i do something silly
lusty grotto
well yeah ronin, indirectly
urban portal
Everything in the game is ap
Every non caster is ap
And ap is a function of weapon dps x 6 +strength
Devastator is no different from any other spell
lusty grotto
i guess thats fair
lusty grotto
aye, you mentioned it, but i figure it's a good metric for me not standing in ba...
its not a good metric
urban portal
Nothing special about devastator
lusty grotto
rage use is your metric
if you want to track something in logs, you look at resources -> rage
urban portal
As long as you aren’t capping rage and keeping shield slam on cd you are on the right track
lusty grotto
☝️
urban portal
A skill is to know when to send shield walls
pallid quiver
aye, you mentioned it, but i figure it's a good metric for me not standing in ba...
IP uptime depends on the damage profile you're taking, anyway. You can have 99% uptime just because you only actually get hit once every minute or something as a non-realistic example
pallid quiver
Logs will help the most to let you see how many shield walls you sent and how much rage you spent and, more notably, wasted
lusty grotto
also this brings up another thing
if youre new and youre lurking this is important
do not overtrack stuff
it does more harm than good
the less you have on your screen, the less you keep track of, the better
only be mindful of the things that are important
and nothing more
its very easy to get cognitive dissonance from having 20 million WAs and dbm/bigwigs/omnicd that serve no actual purpose
especially in today's M+ where everything has a little special skill, or you can outplay with some special trick, or theres 5 million different casts that need to be addressed somehow
starts small and go from there
get a big visible rage bar and a shield block tracker
thats it
when we say dont track IP we mean it
zealous goblet
oh uh side question on the question of weakauras and shit
is the default ui for enemy nameplates fine? i've been using plater, but my friend told me it is unneeded
lusty grotto
plater is great
zealous goblet
what would you guys recommend
lusty grotto
use quazii's profile
its a great beginner profile and its free
no twitch sub needed
default enemy nameplates are absolute ass
it is by far the WORST thing thats default ui
if something needs changing right off the bat its them
the rest of the stuff works, nameplates dont
https://quazii.com/dragonflight-plater-nameplates-profile/ heres a link to his profile
theres other profiles from other people, mdi players, etc, but those require a twitch sub to their channels
quazii's work well and dont require anything
toxic pewter
Got carried in a mythic soo in remix lol
lusty grotto
nice i havent even done it yet
toxic pewter
Finally can get tusks after so many years
Just need some more bronze
Feels a bit cheap sorta ngl lol
lusty grotto
im 500+ on all my pieces and i havent touched heroic SoO either
toxic pewter
All these mounts too
Oh wow I messed up spent a ton of bronze before I realized upgrading gear is the correct move
Kinda dumb on my part dunno what I was thinking
lusty grotto
as soon as i ilvl cap this week ima start collecting
crystal iris
I shouldd be able to deflect all of the dragon strikes on AV last boss right?
I couldnt get them all figured maybe I need to pre-reflect?
lusty grotto
spell queue
it depends how fast or slow hes pushed
you cannot reflect all of them without it getting interrupted by another ability,
pre casting is absolutely not recommended there
lusty grotto
you can reflect all of them if your dps is fine
spell block bro
and then dwarf
excuse me, get dispelled
lusty grotto
how long did it take your dps to get to 75%?
crystal iris
a long ass time
lusty grotto
ok so
crystal iris
Avatar was back up
lusty grotto
this is important