protection

[lusty grotto]

they literally decided season turn out

[tribal wharf]

on fortified its that you sepnd what feels like forever to kill the trash to reach the boss, and everyones totally exhausted and then someone screws up boss and someone leaves

[lusty grotto]

anyway there's an official (TM) post for it

[south zealot]

good seasonal affixes made bad dunngeons playable

and good dungeons really fucking good

[median tulip]

But you're much more likely to be depleting the key just to the extra time it takes to clear trash

[crystal iris]

I’m not sure if I would enjoy keys more or less without any affixes

Like maybe we’d get bored

[south zealot]

affixes are fine, they should just reward you for doing well

[tribal wharf]

you lost 6 minutes of trash plus 2 minutes on boss that was at 25% and the release cost

its over

[median tulip]

More Kiss/Curse affixes would be good

[lusty grotto]

and thats the problem, blizzard refuse to put kiss curse shit

[south zealot]

like explosive is fine

if u do like idk

2% more damage for killing one

[lusty grotto]

they are 100% against kiss curse

[south zealot]

for a little bit

[lusty grotto]

while we arent

[crystal iris]

Ppl would be fighting over them lol

[lusty grotto]

good affixes are affixes you can outplay effectively

[median tulip]

The seasonal affixes were usually kiss/curse

[lusty grotto]

period

if an affix cant be outplayed, it feels fucking bad

[south zealot]

nah nim ppl on reddit say good tanks have 0 sanguine healing

if u have any sanguine healing youre a bad tank

[lusty grotto]

lmaoooo

id like to live in their vacuum someday

[tribal wharf]

EXPLOSIVES

i mean, whatever happened to that

got totally canned 86

[south zealot]

they tried to make them actual things to dps down

with real healthbars

[lusty grotto]

explosives was just fucking bad because they spawned in africa

[south zealot]

the jb clip in aa

when ge was like

[lusty grotto]

and mongo dps expected heals to get them

[south zealot]

spamming explosives and still falling behind

[tribal wharf]

i dunno, ppl claim the volcanic is too easy

[south zealot]

was so fucking funny

[lusty grotto]

shrug

[tribal wharf]

just turn volcanic into spews magma boulders like shaman wc3 ultimate

[lusty grotto]

no

[arctic finch]

how am i supposed to pull the caster pack before the minibosses in halls without getting stunned ,i tried throwing ravager + clap > stun , leap + clap > stun , leap + demo shout > stun ???? what am i doing wrong

[tribal wharf]

have to avoid the fire balls when they shoot out into air

[lusty grotto]

ravager

they are literally in front of the 3 casters

[crystal iris]

Volcanic is the easiest thing ever until it throws you up into a frontal or swirly

[south zealot]

need to ravager, let it tick and then charge aoe taunt

if u just ravager and charge ravager wont tick and you die

[median tulip]

Most of the bitching about Volcanic is just Ranged players being upset that there's an affix that they have to actually do something about.

[lusty grotto]

you cant instantly charge in lmao

[crystal iris]

Or last season when the entire group would be soaking the last boss of Fall after 40 minutes of sweating and a volcanic throws them all up out of the soak and you instantly die

[tribal wharf]

on certain fights it can box you in, not more than other affix

or normal ass spells

[arctic finch]

@south zealot now i did try to let it tick but i guess i didnt

but i usually dont have ravager there in the first place

[lusty grotto]

what are you using it on

theres literally no big pulls before that one

[tribal wharf]

feels like they took 3 parts of wc3 shaman earthquake and made each of them affix, quaking, volcano and explosions, cuz all 3 together would be too lethal and choatic for player

[lusty grotto]

no big dangerous pulls

[median tulip]

Do you remember when the chain slam dude from the SL S2 affix could line the chain slam up with Quaking at instantly ace the party?

[arctic finch]

@lusty grotto i pull the whole corridor before that, many flies and frogs

[lusty grotto]

i dont use it there

frogs go all over the place

kinda not worth

[tribal wharf]

i only ever ran that dungeon few times

[lusty grotto]

maybe save a shocking disclosure for that pull

btw you can literally see their shadows

even if they are stealth

you can safely demo from far away

or tc

usually pugs know they are there and land an aoe thing anyway

[arctic finch]

i cant do that, i play on low setting otherwise my game crashes, gotta guess

[lusty grotto]

and/or flare

and/or DH true sight

[median tulip]

If you Heroic Leap onto them they break stealth before being able to incap you

[lusty grotto]

i have low shadows

and you see them

literal black dots

i dont care about shadow quality in this game so its always low

[crystal iris]

Ya haha or the last boss of sanguine depths

[lusty grotto]

its also a huge performance boost

[crystal iris]

I just use it on CD

[lusty grotto]

ok well just depend on your group

[median tulip]

Halls of infusion the frogs make me want to get Piercing Howl

[crystal iris]

Ya group usually takes care of them

[lusty grotto]

that may not be an option for Cps

[crystal iris]

We’ve all charged into the caster pack and died though…right?

[lusty grotto]

no

maybe in s2

[crystal iris]

😂

[median tulip]

I did once

[crystal iris]

I didn’t play s2

I was learning to tank and forgot they were there, charged in ahead of my group trying to keep anvil stacks up lol

Died before team got there

alright lemme try out this no die build

I think in theory BSV should be well made. I'm usually either full HP or getting absolutely TRUCKED by something with little time to react

[south zealot]

sometimes youd go to like 20% from a tankbuster and be completely fine bc theres no damage after

so it being used in that situation feels bad

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/xrTJqye.png

now this is hot

[potent anvil]

Prot owns

[strong forum]

arms owns

[potent anvil]

[strong forum]

i checked raid logs to check my biggest natty mortal strike

i was expecting 1.1mil

and then this monster showed up

[pallid quiver]

I'm so glad to see this in blue text, because I was confident I was just going insane and doing dumb shit somehow when I'd collapse on my Shaman

[zealous goblet]

roughly, how much % healing should i as a tank be responsible for"?

as much as possible, obviously, i just mean i want to see if i was a pain i nthe ass for my healer or not

[crystal iris]

at least you get the healing buff so your VR hits like a truck

a nice healing truck

[crystal iris]

what does this even mean?

in some keys you might be above healer but in keys like halls the healer better be above you. You should be responsible for most if not all of your own health bar

[zealous goblet]

i assume tanks are mostly responsible for keeping themselves up, no?

[waxen frigate]

Do you mean % of your own healing received

[zealous goblet]

yeah

sorry

[waxen frigate]

Because it varies a lot

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter, for us

[zealous goblet]

my brain is kinda fried

[waxen frigate]

But for pwarr it’s kinda not relevant as Nim said

Your “healing” all comes from your rotation

The largest self heal you have that’s an actual button to heal yourself is IV

[lusty grotto]

dont look at healing meters as a prot warrior

[waxen frigate]

You can look through top logs and look at healing received if you want to see an actual breakdown

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[pallid quiver]

but my ip numbers tho

[zealous goblet]

guys i'm learning

i'm heckin doin it

[waxen frigate]

Yeah well stop it

[pallid quiver]

But the specifics of breakdowns are usually dependent on damage profile and things like that, as well

[waxen frigate]

That’s not the warrior mindset

[zealous goblet]

sorry sir

[waxen frigate]

Warrior mindset is ooga booga blame others when fail

[zealous goblet]

on my way to yell racial slurs outside my window after every wipe until i'm sedated by the local authorities

[pallid quiver]

You can generally get a good idea how much you were a pain very loosely by checking if you were a large portion of their direct heals, and if so, if they were overhealing by a notable amount.

To get an actual concrete idea, you'd have to check logs for damage taken and cross reference dr usage, block application, rage utilization, etc

[south zealot]

you should heal yourself more than your healer excluding ignore pain

but also your healing in comparison to healer doesnt really matter

[pallid quiver]

Most important thing is everyone lived

[zealous goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-awkward-black-kid-gif-14606599

depends on your definition of lived

i might've put a dps in a wheelchair

[pallid quiver]

They ain't dead, therefore they cool

And if they ain't, you already got them in a chair. A coffin ain't that much more work from there

[zealous goblet]

i might've spun the boss mid cleave

we keep it on the hush hush though

[crystal iris]

lool

procced it 4 times in HoI +13

I dont love having to keep a closer eye on SB

and questioning if its worth popping last stand to cover like 4s

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LtHh3d8rN1v9YZwz#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=3

roast me boys

ill start only 80% blocked hits

I know one proc was on first pull must have gotten swooped in the back. One was in last gauntlet got caught in a stun

[grim pilot]

im 3k andy now

@strong forum

I can rest peacefully now

[strong forum]

hes hyoge

[grim pilot]

ngl

the only thing that hurt

are the ice shards

[strong forum]

almost like i told you that

[grim pilot]

and miniboss surprised me it hurt a bit too

man

I took 1

like 75% of my hp went down

natty

[strong forum]

yah

[grim pilot]

love last boss

[strong forum]

do me a favour

enable dps coloumn

thank you

go to options, and tick the box that says smth like "dps"

then these screenshots get an extra coloumn that says "ps"

and one can actually understand how much dmg this truly is

cuz a total value doesnt really mean much without context

like you can see here

you can see the ps coloumn and the casts coloumn

way more informative

[grim pilot]

ok wait

wanna do some shenanigans

I got av 14

on my warri

[strong forum]

literally heading to bed

rn

[grim pilot]

oki

fixed ye

[strong forum]

fastest dispel in the west

[grim pilot]

i do that too on my priest in 8s

I feel useless anyway

so I just snipe

dont know if that fast but ye

[strong forum]

literally couldnt even see the debuff on the frames

[grim pilot]

I also loved back in s2 when u could MD every single dragon dot in hoi

I was just super sniping

sometimes I'd miss

but oh well

[strong forum]

md was 🅱️alanced ok?

[grim pilot]

yes

[crystal iris]

Can fury / arms taunt reflect this?

Or does it not do any damage

[south zealot]

i told all of reddit that spriest will continue to be meta if they dont have their absolutely disgusting damage changed

now they do more damage than before in comparison to every other class

still meta

who couldve guessed

[strong forum]

Doesn't do any dmg

Used to do dmg in s1, but that got nerfed alongside infused strike from first boss

[grim pilot]

fury/arms maybe could do some deflect shenanigans there but u'd have to make sure u have sr for the intermission

[crystal iris]

I think I felt less solid with BSV tham usual

It sort of feels bad

[strong forum]

Ya ik what you mean

Certainly need more haste playing that build

Closer to 7k tbh

[crystal iris]

I didn’t have very big gaps

Just enough that I would stop looking at it and that’s when it would drop

And I’ve got 6361 or 49%

If the rework a month ago had maybe allowed us to take shield charge talents and BSV would have been cool

[lusty grotto]

17, grouped wiped on 1st boss 🙂

NA M+

earth bolt farmed us

we had a kick rotation but guess who didnt kick

also fucking hunters 1 shot casters lmaoooo

can LoS though

[south zealot]

hunters in bh?

just dont pull any wdym

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[south zealot]

assuming none of the 20 mobs you pull run into it lol

[next tusk]

out of curiosity, what % value should I be aiming for for a prot warrior in each stat on remix?

[lusty grotto]

any and all

theres no use min maxing in remix

all stats are good

versa buffs gems, so its good to have as well

in endgame gearing

youll have so many stats, that any sensible min maxing makes no sense

so just use whatever

a healthy spread of haste/crit/mastery/versa is fine

[next tusk]

mastery is already my highest % stat at 74% un gemmed

[lusty grotto]

it'll get higher

dont worry too much about it

[next tusk]

so basically, just use all the perfect gems for my stat priority and don't worry about numbers

[lusty grotto]

there is no stat prio for remix

just use all secondaries

all of them are good

[next tusk]

thank you

[lusty grotto]

was a runner

but yeah

[south zealot]

eta gg

[lusty grotto]

either way it was the boss that broke the key

3 deaths 1 brez used lmao

[south zealot]

why are we citing 16s as people who know what theyre doing

[lusty grotto]

sp is stupid but mage is also stupid

4 defensives and one group cd?

plus lust

plus AI

which buffs the shit out of your heal

and any other wizards

AI is basically like adding 3 to 5 item levels to a wizard's weapon

[south zealot]

yeah but aug does all of that

by itself

so why need magus

obv no ai but like

[lusty grotto]

no, not really

[south zealot]

2x spriests is just better in all situations

[lusty grotto]

hard disagree

[south zealot]

even on khajin just pi healer gg

[lusty grotto]

nah

im not saying SP isnt strong as fuck, they are

but mage is super important

class with most defensives in the game

its ridiculous

[south zealot]

stack vers on priest

so u dont die

still top damage in all situations

thats what surv did back in the day

[valid hinge]

prot warrior alt

in a +8 BH, all totem go brr lol

[crystal iris]

the real crime here is thunderclap

[valid hinge]

You aren't wrong lol 😄

I'm rusty af on pwar

[south zealot]

holy fuck lol

[crystal iris]

I was trying to cast more revenge in this AA 8 to do more damage

its literally just a damage loss I think

[urban portal]

yeah it is

revenge kinda sux rn

[south zealot]

it can be an overall gain SOMETIMES

but if u just pad hard and are stuck with a prio mob

[urban portal]

keep deep wounds on everything

[south zealot]

youre gonna lose dps

for it not being dead

so its basicslly just wasting time using revenge over ss or tclap

[south zealot]

assuming deep wounds is up on sll enemies

[crystal iris]

i cast revenge like half as much as TC

which is still too much

but ya 6% damage is not worth the GCDs outside of applying DW

I even had both revenge amp talents

its not protcake in a 15 but its somthin

[south zealot]

that’s good

[lusty grotto]

choco

i griefed

the 16

[south zealot]

howd that happeb

[lusty grotto]

completely forgot g44-43-41 pull

LMAO

[south zealot]

damn im kind of sad my pushweek was so trash

[lusty grotto]

overtime by 40s

[south zealot]

what that mean

[lusty grotto]

cause we had to mongo pull side

[south zealot]

what key

[crystal iris]

nelth?

[lusty grotto]

pull 5

[crystal iris]

oh no haha

[lusty grotto]

i fucking cruised by it

[south zealot]

oh dude that shit is so aids

trying to skip the singer

[lusty grotto]

we had a clean run too

forgetting that pull did it

[south zealot]

tbf if ur team did more damage u shouldve had enough time

bh timer should be super freee

[crystal iris]

you forgot the entire pull?

[south zealot]

even if u forget an entire pull

[crystal iris]

i mean 40s on that pull or 40s on mongo pull at end

same same no?

aint killing that pack in 40s

[lusty grotto]

that pack is faster than the shit we had to do to get count

way faster

[crystal iris]

well ya

but still not 40s :I

not your fault ❤️

[lusty grotto]

it is my fault

cause youre not getting it

[south zealot]

happensge

[crystal iris]

a tank's fault was in my BH 15 last night when he kept outranging the slimes in your pull 6 and they cast that dot shit on me

dawrfed it once, died, brezed, died again

[lusty grotto]

afflicted bolstering tomorrow :\

and next fort week is sanguine

[crystal iris]

Fffffff we just had sanguine

Pls no more

At least it’s bolstering Tyr

[south zealot]

no but its fine if ur good at tanking sanguine is no healing

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[south zealot]

just play gooder

[lusty grotto]

fucking reddit

[crystal iris]

Just play arms

[south zealot]

i mean u just play sin rogue over magis

magus

probably the best 1-1 swap u can do if u want healing reduction

[crystal iris]

I didn’t mean arms for the healing reduction lol just swapping from prot

[lusty grotto]

i dont dps in keys

as warrior

ever

i dont like it

[south zealot]

oh yeah thats an option

i don’t have leggo lol

[lusty grotto]

much rather play ret

[crystal iris]

Idk how long I can keep saying I main arms after spending all week on tank

I find ret so boring

[lusty grotto]

different strokes

its boring if you dont help out the team with utility sure

[crystal iris]

Hey at least I have enough key binds

Half my bars are empty on my ret

[crystal iris]

So 90% of them?

[lusty grotto]

huh

freedom, bop, sac

cleanses

[crystal iris]

I do bc I started that toon as prot so I’m used to sac and bop and others

[crystal iris]

I meant 90% of them don’t use it

[lusty grotto]

well i do

[south zealot]

vdh has 4 technically 5 sigils and still has the least keybinds of any tank

kind of based

[crystal iris]

Tanks always do

Tanks and healers are usually more aware than someone who only plays DPs

[lusty grotto]

i dont like arms/fury in keys it brings nothing

ret brings something

[crystal iris]

And prot does?

[lusty grotto]

so thats why i stick to it

[south zealot]

utility is fake when 99.99% of players dont use their kit to even 80% of their potential

[lusty grotto]

it brings my vanilla always prot in keys ass yes

[south zealot]

even i dont use my stops and defensive cds as often as i could

seeing actually good gamers play makes me realize im kind of bad

[crystal iris]

I wish I liked ret

[lusty grotto]

im not saying it to convince you

[crystal iris]

Would be a lot easier to get into keys and I could secures and shit

I know

[south zealot]

think i’m going mostly vengeance rest of patch

i just wanna be able to log in and play

even if theres keys in lfg thats score for my warrior i wont be invited anyway

[crystal iris]

Like my warr is geared as fk 527 mostly bis 3k few myth kills if I was pink I wouldn’t have to play prot to get into 13s

Exactly

[lusty grotto]

shit bro

im 524

the fuck is this 527 shit

[crystal iris]

Leggo + augury helps

[lusty grotto]

oh leggo bumps me up to 526

[crystal iris]

• the 535 shield ring

And other 528s

[lusty grotto]

i dont have filial duty from bullions

i got it from a heroic reclear so

it'll be a last buy

but heroic one maxes at 528

[crystal iris]

I have hero incarnate I might buy 528

Or OCE idk. Probably whispering since is better in keys

• in pugs

That first pull of BH is a bit spooky when I gather

Once they’re together it’s usually fine

But gathering with treenoutg on I get som red screen flashes lol

[radiant mortar]

is it worth to get silent star cloak and catalyst it?

[south zealot]

u cant

if ur talking about buying it with bullions

[radiant mortar]

good to know but it would work if it drops?

[lusty grotto]

no

[radiant mortar]

[south zealot]

if it drops, yes you can catalyze it

[lusty grotto]

you can?

[radiant mortar]

[lusty grotto]

i thought it was restricted

[south zealot]

99p sure

i wont 100p it bc i havent actually done it

but im like almost certain you can if its the dropped item

[lusty grotto]

i have an s2 drop let me check

[ionic fern]

You can, ya.

[lusty grotto]

well i have 3 of them i guess

ok well i trust mwahi

[south zealot]

why is na such a dogshit region

[radiant mortar]

dont fret EU sucks ass too

[lusty grotto]

isnt the catalyst cloak like versa mastery or some shit

[south zealot]

nah u guys have keys in queue

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=202438/manteau-of-the-onyx-crucible

[ionic fern]

Maybe, i can't remember. I just saw a hunter running around with a higher ilvl cloak.

And he said he catalyzed Sark.

[lusty grotto]

EU likes to pug more

NA likes to have teams

[south zealot]

my team is no more

[ionic fern]

Wish i could enjoy pugging again.
I get too frustrated now compared to like 3 years ago.

[lusty grotto]

i think its because EU has so many players

and it spans so many countries

[radiant mortar]

I had a lot of luck until now, only had one demon key moment

[lusty grotto]

instead of like... idk USA/canada/mexico and some latin america

higher keys seem to be more healthier to pug in EU for sure though

[ruby berry]

At this point in the lifecycle of m+ it's developed with the idea that people press their buttons to circumvent mechanics from trash and bosses and the greater wow community is just not experienced or capable enough to do it. Which is fine, but makes pugging anything of merit extra difficult.

[lusty grotto]

but it could be grass is greener thing coming from us in NA

[south zealot]

not getting into keys sucks

but only having like

2 groups without a tank already in queue

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

its 1am est

[south zealot]

is just so rough

[lusty grotto]

half of america is asleep

you pacific plebs 🙂

[south zealot]

sure but its not much better during prime time

[ruby berry]

I work nights, so all my keys are done at like 9am est, you should see the pugs

[lusty grotto]

morning keys are actually

a lot more pleasant for some reason

idk why

[south zealot]

nim come heal this 10 aa

[lusty grotto]

my healers are deleted

DF deleted them

[ruby berry]

The OCE players can be pleasant for sure

[south zealot]

if ur soft just say that

[ionic fern]

Jeah, come to EU, then you have plenty of keys but still won't get invited cause there's like 50 VDH re-rollers queing for a key vs your poor warrior.

[lusty grotto]

[radiant mortar]

whats your take on this

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[south zealot]

first part is fried

[ionic fern]

Garbage.
Depleting shouldn't even lower your keystone.

[south zealot]

2nd part is half fried

[lusty grotto]

if depleting lowered io, people would leave every single key

[south zealot]

i dont think it should be solo queue ONLY thats super troll

but a solo queue would be cool

well

it could be cool

its so easy to fuck that up

[south zealot]

i think theres a middle ground

should have like 3 attempts on the key before it lowers it

[lusty grotto]

there should be incentives for using non-meta classes other than a break the meta tourney

but idk how that would work

in any way lmao

[south zealot]

damn if only title was spec specific

crazy idea

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[ionic fern]

"Invite a SV and get 1 extra piece of loot!".

[lusty grotto]

thats one that jordan was putting up with with his tweets

[lusty grotto]

5 mins extra to key

timer

LMAO

can you imagine

[south zealot]

5 mins extra to key for having an hpal in the group

[lusty grotto]

too cooked of a take

would be too wild

[ionic fern]

That's next level "We cba balancing classes, so we'll give you more m+ time".

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[ionic fern]

[lusty grotto]

would be right up blizzard's lazy ass

in the "whut is cc, and defensives" alley

[ruby berry]

Oo maybe dynamic timers based on group composition historical success times. But that would likely be abused lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah all of those would be abused

[south zealot]

i mean

[ruby berry]

We can't have nice things

[south zealot]

just have whoever cooked balance in s1

pull up

atleast for dps and heal

has there ever been a season where multiple tanks were all played in the absolute top keys

literally ever

[lusty grotto]

damage balancing has been okay, but they need to pay attention to target capping, ccs, number of defensives, none of these except for target capping is actually measurable in a presentable way

[ionic fern]

I remember there was a season where i checked and like 3 or 4 tank classes were in the top 50 of tanks.

But could be that it was also very early in the season.

[south zealot]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-sl-2/all/world/leaderboards s2 shadowlands

[lusty grotto]

like why the fuck is tc still target capped, give us BFA tc

[south zealot]

it seems was pretty diverse

have all tanks but prot warrior in the top 40 keys

[radiant mortar]

I dont think this would change anything

the top players are alrdy timing keys with the "best" comp, why gimp that. And even if, this would just shift meta

[lusty grotto]

its just a cooked take

just having fun

time

[radiant mortar]

wdym its 7am

almost 8am

Its time to work (chat in discord till break time)

[ionic fern]

Wdym it's almost 9 AM.

[blazing condor]

svensk is right

minus the time to work thing

[south zealot]

okay veng dps is kinda sick

if u dont play pusc build

warrior deadge

gg

[blazing condor]

always has been

but its fun anyway

[ionic fern]

Don't they have uncapped aoe?

With Sigils and stuff?

[south zealot]

i think its uncapped

idk though

did like 300k overall at 509 with really, really bad trinkets equipped

[next yacht]

the problem with dh is you will have to play a little bit more defensive build when you will do higher keys,but ofc it will still do a lot of dmg

[radiant mortar]

the problem is that it has to much cc and pugs unlearn how to use theirs

[ionic fern]

Pugs never knew how to use theirs to begin with.

[next yacht]

@ionic fern True and real

[blazing condor]

tracking cc was the most tilting decision ive made

[jagged pier]

no that was installing wow

[radiant mortar]

I was clean for a month

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Playing alts.

Or farming crests from 10's as Fury.

[strong forum]

SoF, immo aura and fel dev are uncapped

Spb is softcapped to 8

[jagged pier]

brah i need to get like 200 and some aspect crests to upgrade stuff and for craft next week

[ionic fern]

Same.

😂

I'm at like 520 i think atm.

[jagged pier]

literally cba

[ionic fern]

Half my gear still needs upgrading.

But weather is too nice outside.

[strong forum]

My evoker is also only at like crests 400 smth

And since it barely has myth track gear, it needs like 280 aspects only to finish upgrading it's hero track gear

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

Shit is fucked, 522ilvl but still need that many aspects

[jagged pier]

[south zealot]

my druid is like 400 too

not bad not bad

[strong forum]

But hey atleast my warri doesn't need any aspects anymore

528 equipped

[ionic fern]

[radiant mortar]

516

[jagged pier]

im 522

[strong forum]

My alt rsham has higher ilvl than that

526

[ionic fern]

Wild.

[south zealot]

is it unethical to get ppl to carry my 392 ilvl druid in a +2

thats chill right

[radiant mortar]

yeah

do you heal on it?

[ionic fern]

Non of my alts are above 500.

[south zealot]

idk i dont play druid

i think i just spec feral bc theres no way im tanking at 390 ilvl

[radiant mortar]

yeah

[strong forum]

I mean I did these demon runs yesterday

[jagged pier]

if nome needs aspect and mwahi do that mean we bring back SH keys? 👀

even tho weather is nice

[strong forum]

My dragon is in forever need aspects prison

Shaman is free from crest prison now tho

Also, we assume that with next reset all raids are awakened

[jagged pier]

i assume nothing

blizz will forget

[strong forum]

All those 0.6 interns that worked at the season

Tru

[pallid quiver]

they'll actually make all raids awakened

Molten Core time, baybee

[strong forum]

535 Thunderfury?!

[pallid quiver]

finally time for our tank lego

[radiant mortar]

two questions how does the leap tech work on first boss AV, I jump at the last possible moment the cast was 0.5 sec away from finishing and he still turned to me.

Second one, how do I dodge the frost dragon breath, the sting keeps spinning

[strong forum]

Is this when I plug my recent YouTube upload

[radiant mortar]

maybe

[strong forum]

You just jump away from the boss

Not to the side

Just away

And the frost dragon breath

Is just really short

[radiant mortar]

Oh ok

[strong forum]

So you just, walk away

[radiant mortar]

like walk back?

[strong forum]

Either Strafe or backpedal

[radiant mortar]

I rarely press S, maybe I need to do it more

[south zealot]

garr brinding drops after reset

for sure

[strong forum]

Whatever gets you ~10yd away from the dragon

It's breath is so cold that it's really not a strong breath

[radiant mortar]

ok so backpedal breath and jump with the hit not to the side on first boss AV

o7

[strong forum]

https://youtu.be/YV-90qRtykg?si=7_1Nj9RZYuPBB61e?t=6m1s

I think the timestamp should work

Does not

F

But at 6min1sec

Is when I leap a frontal

I made sure that where I go that I don't snipe anybody with it. That's why I move to the side like that, but it's also the most opportune spot to leap to to clear trees

[radiant mortar]

:sus:

[radiant mortar]

ok so he will always turn with you just not slap you because you are to far away?

[strong forum]

Yes

Just outrange it

And you're gucci

On your charge back you can thunderclap mid-way to pick up the slimes

And yeah, ideally you wanna get 2 pack of trees on the outside

Getting the middle tree pack isn't as important

Cuz that's super easy to clear with the circles

[radiant mortar]

Gotcha

I missunderstood the jump part at first. I thought the slap is locked into one dircetion at the last second so you avoid it by jumping out, but yeah now I know

[strong forum]

That's how the fight used to be in season 1

You could just aim the frontal away

But that was apparently too easy, so they made it follow you for s4

Im glad they completely reworked last boss tho

It's so much better now

[radiant mortar]

I didnt feel any dif for the last boss

is it the orbs and how they move?

AA last boss sucks now with the pre spawnd areas :(

[pallid quiver]

I noticed that it doesn't zap you for moving

[radiant mortar]

it was so chill before

Oh right it had this you need to move stuff

[pallid quiver]

And the crystals have a super crystal with a shield

[strong forum]

Last boss no longer has the slow debuff when moving

The orbs no longer follow people

And also aren't permanent anymore

[pallid quiver]

the orbs following was pain

since iirc they followed highest healing or something

[strong forum]

Yea

So it would follow tank perma

But you'd also get the slow curse

Because you moved

[radiant mortar]

I played brew in s1 so I just dispelled myself when I needed

[pallid quiver]

And standing near the wall was important to keep the crystals grouped when they spawned, iirc

[south zealot]

holy i forgot how aids that boss was lol

[strong forum]

Yeup

[radiant mortar]

overall it sounds better yeah

[pallid quiver]

So you had limited movement options

[strong forum]

Not just grouped

You could just only spawns 1 or 2 crystals total

Instead of 5/6 spread out

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, that

I only loosely remembered how that boss worked because I am good at instantly dumping mechanics from memory

oh lord i forgot i don't even have 3k haste

[strong forum]

Yeah that's

[pallid quiver]

the only pieces of gear i have with any haste are tier pieces with haste

But I do have like 7.5k crit tho

[strong forum]

Damn if only there was a flask

That gave you 1.3k haste

Instead of 1.3k crit

(that's why don't get as much crit on your gear anymore BTW)

Cuz corrupting rage flask gives you that obscenely much

[radiant mortar]

I have to many Vers Flask to switch

[pallid quiver]

let's go, i'm making it in the world

1500 io baybeeeee

[jagged pier]

mans climbing

[pallid quiver]

I only do like one key a week usually, whatever 10 i get out of my vault

and it's been brack the past 3-4 weeks

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Hahaha yeah

Not me with 3x m+ vault done on all my chars

[pallid quiver]

I literally haven't even set foor in either NElth or RLP this season

well, on this char

I've gone into Nelth on my Shimmy Sham

[ionic fern]

I did a whooping 2 keys on my warrior this week i think.

Maybe will squeeze in 2 more.

[radiant mortar]

I did 4, a 13 BH and 4 + 2s for crests

[blazing condor]

i get like one mythic slot a week at most

but i got my bullion this week too

[jagged pier]

what u buy?

[blazing condor]

got dreadplates cus wanted to try it out

replace my old rageheart

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

haven't had time to go full pad yet cus im undergeared doing "higher" keys

but dont wanna int my mates

[ionic fern]

I'm running Augury / Treemouth's.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

I can explain tho.

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/susge-stare-pepe-sus-gif-6983445641596872640

[ionic fern]

1)I'm Lazy;
2)I bought Augury since i wanna dabble in Fury.

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

And last bullions i've spent on 2h weapons.

Whatever that effect one was.

[blazing condor]

where legendary

[ionic fern]

Ashkandur

HAHA.

Nice joke.

No legendary.

Still.

[blazing condor]

even i got the leggo

cmon man

[ionic fern]

Idk.

[jagged pier]

not even leggo upgrade?

[ionic fern]

been doing it every week.

[jagged pier]

😮

[ionic fern]

No point in getting Leggo upgrade if i don't have Leggo.

[jagged pier]

u dont have leggo?

[ionic fern]

No.

[blazing condor]

maybe you dont want it enough

[ionic fern]

Probably.

[blazing condor]

leggos can sense stuff like that

[jagged pier]

u got ot kill trex arms

[ionic fern]

I'll get it once TWW comes out.

It's fine.

[blazing condor]

pog

[jagged pier]

pog

[blazing condor]

reroll evoker and get leggo first kill

[ionic fern]

I can't play Evoker.

It's wayyyyyyyyyyyy too slow.

I like to spam buttons.

[jagged pier]

i tried to lvl a lock from 50 on the weekend

i got to lvl51

[blazing condor]

i cant enjoy my mmorpg fantasy game without my carpal tunnel

[jagged pier]

which took 5 mins

before quitting

[ionic fern]

[oblique garnet]

even i have it

Isnt there like the badluck protection thats supposed to guarantee lego at this point?

[blazing condor]

maybe he doesnt use his embers

[jagged pier]

only if u been killing the boss

which mwahi hasnt

[blazing condor]

its also in your interest to clear the entire raid to get both lesser and greater embers

[oblique garnet]

Icic

[violet ginkgo]

the crit flask too expensive to buy D:

[ionic fern]

I actually have.

I've gotten tons of those bad luck thingies.

[violet ginkgo]

not enough tons mwahi

add more tons

[ionic fern]

Apparently so.

Not sure if i want it tho..there's apparently some super-disgusting farm quest line for it.

[pallid quiver]

It's mostly just money

[blazing condor]

nah its fine

[pallid quiver]

Other than that

[blazing condor]

you gotta do like 10 superblooms thats about it

[pallid quiver]

do like 4 superblooms, do raid

4-10 superblooms, ye

[blazing condor]

depends on how many friends you got

otherwise it only takes a few hours tops

i think i paid like 200k for my axe in s3

[pallid quiver]

I have zero friends, and it still only took like 5 iirc

er, 5 superblooms

[blazing condor]

5 gold

[ionic fern]

Ugh, superblooms.

[pallid quiver]

It'll probably be more this time around since there's likely less people around to do charity shares

I think the other thing is just rares, but that'll probably get done during superblooms

Oh, if you do get it, Mwahi, note that you should join another realm's superbloom group from group finder, since you can drop group and join another/hit your realm's superbloom to get credit twice

[median tulip]

One thing to know is that you have to be out of combat to use the thing on the end boss guy of the super bloom. So run away and drop combat before he becomes active.

[blazing condor]

yeah i just chilled at the branch

[median tulip]

The other way to do rares is the thing that gives lots of that currency you use for growing flowers, where a rare spawn happens frequently

[tribal wharf]

i did pretty much all the rares stuff i wanted to do on that island

most of the currencies there would be entirely useless to me

if i come back

missed some of it im sure

[violet ginkgo]

Ahhh well the superblooms and rares

[waxen frigate]

Might finally try the can of Norwegian trout I have tonight

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

[waxen frigate]

I think imma put it on toast

[lusty grotto]

good morning

[waxen frigate]

We have some fresh sourdough

It’s like a $10 can apparently so I kinda feel like crackers might not do it Justice

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[median tulip]

Oh was that what caused that

[earnest hollow]

Is it pretty much recommended to get grieftorch as a first trinket with bullion

[lusty grotto]

no

where is it recommended

not as a first trinket

at the very least

[dusky canopy]

You can pretty much do whatever you want and still be able to time +10s and clear mythic raids

Btw

GM Nim

Beta tomorrow!

[jagged pier]

S4 -> remix -> cata -> beta

yes blizz

[dusky canopy]

Busy busy

[jagged pier]

i shall never stop playing

[dusky canopy]

I don’t touch classic much personally lol

Has it been good?

[jagged pier]

[undone beacon]

classic is for NERDS i have cooler classic in REMIX

[jagged pier]

like i play with classic min maxers

[undone beacon]

(./s)

[jagged pier]

nah missed night one

behind now no point

wont get invited to anything

[undone beacon]

in remix?

[dusky canopy]

Yeah that’s exactly why I don’t bother doing classic

Way way to sweat for ez mode game

Lmao

Like bro let me just auto attack and mortal strike once in a while

It ain’t that serious

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

just get 400 min illv

and you get invited to everything

except myth soo

[dusky canopy]

Nim not remix

Cata

I’m like 420 on remix

[jagged pier]

already cleared myth soo

no need to go back in

[undone beacon]

Just play a healer, always get invites and never have to heal 🧠

[dusky canopy]

By the time I hit 476 all the op tinker prob going to patched

Can’t wait

[jagged pier]

healer in remix

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

[dusky canopy]

Bro doesn’t know

1 0 19

[lusty grotto]

searing light? lol

[undone beacon]

Its great, I get to sit there and spam lightning bolt and get carried, ez life

[dusky canopy]

Aware

Searing light, lifestorm, and a few people with vindication

Literally immortal

[undone beacon]

Yes, but people still wig out if theres no healer in group for some reason

Makes my life easy, all im sayin

[dusky canopy]

Que heal play shadow

Profit

[undone beacon]

Then I use all that bronze to up my gear so I can actually do a modicum of damage

and never touch resto again

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry I’ll fuck right off thanks 😁

[dusky canopy]

I’ve been full sending bronze into gear

And honestly kicking myself in the ass

Because when I got the free bronze from the frogger nerf

[lusty grotto]

im full sending bronze into gear too

[dusky canopy]

I had a total of like 120 and I bought mounts

Instead of going gear

[undone beacon]

lmfao same though

[lusty grotto]

ill be max ilvl in 2-3 days

[undone beacon]

I dropped prob 200k bronze on mounts instead of gear on my main dude

So I'm hella behind

[dusky canopy]

I wish I would have used brain

Because I could be like 10 mythic clears in by now

Way more net bronze

[jagged pier]

imagine not being max ilvl and also spending over 200k on mounts

[undone beacon]

Meh, theres plenty of time left to get those clears

[dusky canopy]

Until they nerf the op shit again

[unkempt hazel]

im alr tired of remix

[dusky canopy]

Ain’t no way I’m re progging remix mythic SoO

LULUL

[jagged pier]

i was playing lifestorm before it was the thing because i like the haste

[undone beacon]

I need to get a clear of mythic SoO in soon lmfao

[jagged pier]

it can be done with 12 ppl

[dusky canopy]

I think I hit like 240% haste

[jagged pier]

there is no prog involved

i did it at 430 or somthing

[dusky canopy]

Yee I mean if they nerf the op tinkers

[jagged pier]

its a yoke

[undone beacon]

I'm at 395 ilvl so like, nobody wants my bum ass

[jagged pier]

yer the pug i was in highest ward was 70mil the whole run

they couldnt do it

like most pugs

[dusky canopy]

[jagged pier]

so we just bute forced the bosses

[dusky canopy]

Good to know!

Hoping for the best

I’ll just form my own Zerg group or something once I get the ilvl

[pallid quiver]

But the mechs tho; i want to relive them smh

Gotta wait for panda classic

[undone beacon]

how many bones does M garrosh give?

[jagged pier]

lots

[undone beacon]

10?

[dusky canopy]

Isn’t it like 7 or 8?

It’s a lot

[undone beacon]

Hmm

They still havent fixed tusks and im playing a shaman for remix so rip me I guess

[jagged pier]

yes they have

[dusky canopy]

Just get them and keep them in bags if it’s still broke

[pallid quiver]

Jakey, you gonna play Panda Classic?

[jagged pier]

Yes.

cata is time for me to lvl every class to max

so i can CM on all classes

in mop

[blazing condor]

[lusty grotto]

wish classic transmogs moved to retail

[dusky canopy]

Just imagine if we could get the appearances again

On retail

[lusty grotto]

classic just dead to me, no point

[jagged pier]

they might eventually get there

🤷

[blazing condor]

Cant wait to get rank 1 title when SL classic cones

[undone beacon]

they were still showing broken on my guy, I guess ill put a ticket in. hoorah

[pallid quiver]

Damn, I have to get an EU WoW account now to play with Jakey smh

[lusty grotto]

i mean if your NA i can probably carry you into a mop group

[earnest hollow]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank grief torch is recommended as S+ here, what trinket should I go first if that’s wrong?

[lusty grotto]

read our pins

also read manic's description

[ionic fern]

On top of that, read the "Gear" section:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear

[lusty grotto]

if you wanna get grieftorch do so, but make sure you read the description, cause you will die if you dont know what youre doing

and like Mwahi mentioned, the gear section is the one you need to look at

and actually Nome didnt put in the part

that you cannot block or parry while casting it

now that i look at it

so there you go

theres more trinkets in that list

pick one that you will be comfy with

not one that will make you unable to block or parry if youre new

[earnest hollow]

So pocket anvil and treemouth trinket looks like a good combo

[lusty grotto]

you will die without a prep stun or being out of range

sure

[earnest hollow]

OK thanks!

Yeah I just looked at the tier list and saw it at the top

[lusty grotto]

top doesnt mean best

when theres 4 others that are the same grade

[lusty tiger]

Grieftorch owns on bosses though

[lusty grotto]

grief is great for ST and priority targetting, it has very situational uses in M+ like on totem bosses or whatever

just has a huge caveat

[lusty tiger]

[frosty mango]

Every time I’m healing and I see a tank with grieftorch I know they will just randomly die

Blizzard really needs to be more up front in the UI about which actions prevent you from mitigating

[violet ginkgo]

well thankfully you will see us Demolishing in TWW without any problem

[crystal iris]

DH love running that shit lol

[frosty mango]

Last night I was going 8s to farm crests and this dh was channeling it on the aa adds

Fell over 3 times before I told him to stop, then he said “lol no” and left.

Standard pug experience

Also popular is letting mobs hit you in the back, and warrior tanks who don’t know spell reflect exists

[crystal iris]

So many wannab DHs that get bodied in pugs

I can fkn tell right away as soon as they start the key that they're gonna leave

Makes the whole key unpleasant just afraid to say anything and have them leave

Same reason i dont take 3k players in weekly 8s if I'm on an alt

If the team isn't already stacked

[lusty grotto]

weird take

[lusty tiger]

3k players

2.9k players 😁

[violet ginkgo]

not everyone know about sense's document existence.

[frosty mango]

Skill is called “spell reflect”
Spell is being cast on me
🤔

Nope not gonna press it

[south zealot]

wtf lol ppl are doing healerless crawth

[radiant mortar]

offheal goes brrrrrrrrrrr

[crystal iris]

Maybe, but you get a lot of 3k players in lower keys that act like assholes

Or like calling someone a carry just because they aren't doing 600k overall in an 8

[frosty mango]

Get a lot of 2k players in lower keys acting like assholes too

[crystal iris]

Or like if someone lets a cast go off and stun them during a big pull they rage and leave

[lusty grotto]

thats not exclusive to any rating

sorry

its a bad take

[crystal iris]

Eh

I'd still rather take a 2800 player in an 8 than a 3k generally speaking

[lusty grotto]

you do you

[crystal iris]

Yes it's circumstantial but it's just the experience I've had

[lusty grotto]

but its a bad take

[crystal iris]

I mean I'm 3k

But ya haha i come across all kinds in pugs

[lusty grotto]

not all kinds apparently

only 3k io assholes

[crystal iris]

I mean some are nice

[frosty mango]

What if someone is 2999

Would you take them

[crystal iris]

In an 8??

[frosty mango]

Yes

[crystal iris]

Depends on the class 🙂