an excuse to be mediocre
#protection
lusty grotto
pallid quiver
but this time they can have actual logs instead of mumbo mysticism
pallid quiver
an excuse to be mediocre
this tbh
jagged pier
yer no one logs
torn gulch
they left the guy's who kicked me group invited me back and we +2 the key
told the guy after to go play with his vdh
violet ginkgo
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
#protection message
So my assesment is good?
crystal iris
It's not an excuse to be mediocre it's a backup or fail safe
toxic pewter
is there any world where we drop ravager instead of shield charge/bulwark
jagged pier
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1247243778570...
yer pretty much
pallid quiver
yer no one logs
Honestly, it's wild; I ask random people for logs and sometimes they just randomly do, yet like some better players are like "lmao logs"
strong forum
hm playing BSV is a 1.9% dps loss
toxic pewter
gross
pallid quiver
That's less than I thought it'd be, but I'm also dumb
oblique garnet
yer no one logs
Thats effort man
toxic pewter
I dunno I think 2% is a lot to lose
jagged pier
look BSV has its niche place like disrupting shout, if it enables u to do 1 pull in a dungeon then its worth if it doesnt give that effect at the lvl u are playing, dont take it
toxic pewter
I guess it depends on the person
pallid quiver
I thought it'd have been like 3% at least
toxic pewter
shield charge doesnt do much dam tbh
pallid quiver
I guess that's part of what I was kneejerk thinking of
strong forum
given that you sacrifice 2 talent points, only losing 2% is really not alot
we have singular talent points
which are worth more than 5%
so this is BY FAR the best thing you can do without trolling
torn gulch
what are we losing again?
strong forum
you also get a 2min CD LS
crystal iris
2% is not a lot thats wild
jagged pier
should u pick up UF with bolster tho
pallid quiver
You mean 2 min CD 2nd shield block
crystal iris
UF?
toxic pewter
does that 1.9% take into account rage? I guess it does just by its natrue right (less rage=less dam sorta)
strong forum
should u pick up UF with bolster tho
how do you get it
jagged pier
yer
strong forum
does that 1.9% take into account rage? I guess it does just by its natrue right ...
literal sim
jagged pier
i get that
toxic pewter
ok
crystal iris
1.9% ST or AOE?
strong forum
overall
crystal iris
ST is nice for threat too
strong forum
in ST its way less
jagged pier
i mean u can take it in the keys where u dont run spell block
crystal iris
Ill give it a try in push keys
jagged pier
🤷
strong forum
im streaming AA16
toxic pewter
with season 2 tier it would of been interesting with bolster cdr
jagged pier
you already said you wouldnt need it in 16s earlier tho XD
crystal iris
I'm not a huge fan of bolster
pallid quiver
smh twitch booted up his stream right as I was about to say he wasn't streaming
crystal iris
It's like muscle memory to press SB every few seconds feels weird not to lol
pallid quiver
I wager it's probably just to test how it feels to do damage with and to have personal hands on experience with it
toxic pewter
losing the 40 rage every 45 sec kinda sucks?
jagged pier
losing the 40 rage every 45 sec kinda sucks?
in our rage economy not really
strong forum
losing the 40 rage every 45 sec kinda sucks?
it does.
crystal iris
what are u on about
I mean you've got a long SB uptime during bolster where you dont press SB
toxic pewter
I mean how much % rage loss will it be
jagged pier
I mean you've got a long SB uptime during bolster where you dont press SB
no u press it
because its bolster time + SB x3
when u use bolster
toxic pewter
also shield charge is a solid ability for aggro
crystal iris
I thought Bolster then you keep it off 2 charges
torn gulch
yes you can have 39s sb
pallid quiver
Yeah, bolster time is separate from the usual SB uptime caps
jagged pier
also a 5th stop
toxic pewter
yeah dang the stun
its wild how much u lose imo :/
but I guess you do gain the pseudo
jagged pier
well as the build says impossible to die
pallid quiver
also a 5th stop
This is the biggest reason why I wouldn't like to have BSV; I get a lot of use from the SC stun
torn gulch
can't you just swap CB for battle scarred?
lusty grotto
LOL
torn gulch
so you kepo the base shield charge
lusty grotto
NO
toxic pewter
not worth without bulwark
torn gulch
i'm just saying stupid shit
toxic pewter
bulwark is what make sc what it is tbh
pallid quiver
You'd need to get a shield block talent somewhere to make up the uptime loss
torn gulch
i'll just play a bad build
lusty grotto
fuck
toxic pewter
just sucks when like bsv gets no value, lol, so you are like why did I pick this talent again
pallid quiver
you get slapped by trash and die
lusty grotto
LOL
pallid quiver
perpetuating the stereotype
pallid quiver
I miiiiiight look at it next xpac
jagged pier
I miiiiiight look at it next xpac
u still have the same issue they havent changed the prot tree
only the class tree
u dont have points
crystal iris
With that said, offensive s4 trinket + BSV is absolutely more damage than running s3 cheat trinket with standard build
Now that we know BSV is just 2% loss
pallid quiver
I mostly mean just in general as a whole; I don't want to think about it this xpac. Next xpac, I'd be more willing to aggressively consider pulls that'd make it get value, though I don't think I'd get any
crystal iris
I dont find my damage intake to be smooth at all
jagged pier
I mostly mean just in general as a whole; I don't want to think about it this xp...
you will probably want the stops as they gone the way of needing an obscene amount of cc again
on trash
pallid quiver
I haven't seen anything about new dungos or raids yet, but I've heard people say that, so that'd be my guess, yeah
lusty grotto
idk what could be done to the spec tree, maybe consolidate a few of the passives
if anything
toxic pewter
3 min cd is still wildly powerful the more i think about it though
pallid quiver
I also don't see the trend changing, either, since it's really one of the few ways that have made people engage with mobs in some way
whether it's good design or not is a different question
jagged pier
yer its strong but u could proc it just before u actually want to proc it
toxic pewter
yeah true
lusty grotto
also the "why did i pick this talent" again applies to disrupting too
pallid quiver
It might be easier to justify once we cast less TC since TL will lose value, but TL and SoF are obvs more value if you're not actually using disrupting
violet ginkgo
idk what could be done to the spec tree, maybe consolidate a few of the passives
I honestly interested on "Tough as Nail" talent for fun purpose but.... right now that talent is choice with Spellblock so there is no way I will try that over spellblock.
pallid quiver
Do you mean for Disrupting, Nim? Since I mean next xpac, we need one of those three to get to the tier after
pallid quiver
Yeah, bloodsurge will be more impactful as a result, so kneejerk, losing SoF or TL is better and getting your way through there with Disrupting might be useful
Not worth thinking about too hard until closer to release, though
since there's still like half a year's worth of tuning to go or something
Before raid/M+ time hits in TWW
lusty grotto
idk if SoF will be a contender
pallid quiver
It'd be between Disrupting and TL to get to the next talent then if we just not consider SoF
but you need one of the three unless they've changed the three on me to get past that section
And TL's mostly gained value from the increased number of TC this season and last from tier
lusty grotto
for SoF to be a contender, revenge+TC have to be massively buffed
yeah idk
bloodborne
might be the pick
but it can go either way between SoF and bloodborne
instigate too
pallid quiver
You still need one of Disrupting, SoF, or TL to get ITF/HR
that's what I'm more mentioning
If SoF and TL are both low value, you don't lose much having your access to ITF/HR given by Disrupting
pallid quiver
you had me scared for a sec that there were some spec tree changes dropped i didn't see
lusty grotto
lol my bad
pallid quiver
Honestly, if TL and SoF aren't notable, I'd probably default to Disrupting next xpac for more frequent use of aoe taunt
lusty grotto
yeah probs
jagged pier
No.
pallid quiver
i mean if your thane
I completely forgot Thane was all about clappin'
jagged pier
No.
oblique garnet
I guess that answers it
jagged pier
well its our 2nd best at the moment
south zealot
LOL
lusty grotto
oblique garnet
I guess ill go back to my slumber 
jagged pier
demolish do BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
pallid quiver
I'm conflicted, because I like the theme of Thane more, but Demolish seems fun to press and rng stinky poo poo
south zealot
does demolish just hit really really hard
lusty grotto
i think generally speaking most prots like the thane theme a lot more
but damage > theme
pallid quiver
The 5% size increase, while funny, also has me concerned as a cow
I already have trouble fitting into some places and things
and while i like being big
violet ginkgo
What are you concern? Just be a big cow no problem.
lusty grotto
dont worry
pallid quiver
I like being big on my dime, not always
pallid quiver
What are you concern? Just be a big cow no problem.
me want fit through door
oblique garnet
The 5% size increase, while funny, also has me concerned as a cow
You can just use the toy to be gnome or gnoblin
pallid quiver
late, why would you tell me to go jump in a dumpster, kill myself, and let my corpse be violated by maggots, also know as telling me to even show as a gnome?
violet ginkgo
me want fit through door
Then we tell blizz make a bigger door
pallid quiver
I believed in you, Late ;-;
oblique garnet
late, why would you tell me to go jump in a dumpster, kill myself, and let my co...
Because its the smallest model thus the most beneficial when it comes to dodging frontales
lusty grotto
Because its the smallest model thus the most beneficial when it comes to dodging...
dodge dn
violet ginkgo
Big dwarf no fun nim, big cow fun. Btw what is largest race for Alliance? Kul tiran human?
lusty grotto
yeah
pallid quiver
Male Draenei aren't larger?
lusty grotto
kul tirans look awesome though
pallid quiver
I've never actually sat them side by side
lusty grotto
male draenei looks okay? idk i dont like them
south zealot
body type 2 dranei clears
south zealot
holy large fervid
crystal iris
also the "why did i pick this talent" again applies to disrupting too
Just the CDR on mass taunt is nice
south zealot
def not natty but holy moly
lusty grotto
Just the CDR on mass taunt is nice
nah
ionic fern
I'm also a big Disrupting Shout enjoyer.
crystal iris
Especially the pull with like 6 of them it's so fun to hit a mass interrupt
lusty grotto
meh
i use it
lets not have this conversaion
we've had it a million times in this channel
we were talking about TWW talent paths
not the actual game
violet ginkgo
we've had it a million times in this channel
But not billion times 
lusty grotto
in its current state it 100% is a "why did i take this talent" talent
ionic fern
Idk, i'm making good use of it.
lusty grotto
because even if you pug, if your pugs do stops anywhere near correctly, you barely use it
i say that, and I use it
crystal iris
we've had it a million times in this channel
Fair enough haha
south zealot
i completely forgot i had it LMFAOOO
lusty grotto
case in point
south zealot
well thats mostly me being slightly stupid
crystal iris
because even if you pug, if your pugs do stops anywhere near correctly, you bare...
Last pug nelth I ran, 2 of the pugs were using to many useless stuns when nothing was even casting anything, I couldn't stun the thurmaturges and they died lol
pallid quiver
I'm liking the extra rage from bloodsurge to help fuel SW CDR; not sure how much it gives me specifically, but it feels smoother to me
crystal iris
"Warr why you not stormbolt the thurmaturge?"
south zealot
bloodsurge feels so good
median tulip
Pally: "U pull 2 much"
Me: "My dude, you have a grand total of 3 interrupts in the whole dungeon"
lusty grotto
Last pug nelth I ran, 2 of the pugs were using to many useless stuns when nothin...
maybe dont pick monks and shamans then
or havoc
south zealot
lol i love when mobs are stun dr
crystal iris
Was evoked and lock
crystal iris
Maybe it was mage
crystal iris
Evokes knockup
crystal iris
Kk well Idk i just know that when i stunned it was DRed
lusty grotto
crystal iris
I was sure it was either evoked mage lock
median tulip
Shaman have a talent that makes their stun totem go off twice; that thing is prime DR bait
crystal iris
How many stone does it take to DR? 4?
crystal iris
Thats why I wanted to put my int shout first on my degen macro 🙂
lusty grotto
goddamn it please dont mention that macro
crystal iris
I found a key bind for it gonna be mouse wheeel press
crystal iris
Ill start using those alt modifiers too
pallid quiver
but shamans also have the knockup to not dr ;-;
crystal iris
My upper bar is alt modifiers but it's things I click like food and potions
lusty grotto
i dont like alt modifiers cause everything outside WoW uses them
lusty grotto
alt z is nvidia overlay for example
crystal iris
I hate control mods too
crystal iris
Shift i have and I'm full
lusty grotto
12345, r, f, c, x, z, v, mouse back, mouse front
shift + those
ctrl + those
youre not full
we already had this discussion
youre absolutely not anywhere near to full
and yes i use R, Shift R and Ctrl R, just rebind reply to J or some shit like i do
i also use Q and E for stances, shift+ Q/E, those cover all the stances
crystal iris
We've had this discussion too haha
violet ginkgo
J is default guild window though
crystal iris
Q and e for stances is wild those are prime binds
lusty grotto
K is my guild window
crystal iris
Ive got them for SB and IP
lusty grotto
Q and E for stances are from the vanilla days
crystal iris
Ive got the one macro for stance dancing
lusty grotto
stance dancing was required
crystal iris
I cant bring myself to unbind my zoom in and out
lusty grotto
back then
crystal iris
One day
lusty grotto
scrollwheel? mines default
there's no reason to rebind that
q/e are still there cause i play druid sometimes and i like having all shift forms available
so q/e, shift q/e cover all 4 forms
since they are considered "stances"
south zealot
Q and E for stances are from the vanilla days
ur so old
lusty grotto
kind urchin
4x4 block of keys for keybinds on my tartarus with shift and ctrl set to side mouse buttons. Thumbstick for movement.
And stances are a macro.
crystal iris
scrollwheel? mines default
Ah i thought i read mouse front / mouse back what does that mean lol
I thought you meant scroll wheel. I mean scroll up for charge is popular I hear
oblique garnet
F is for charge
oblique garnet
Mouse4 is for leap
crystal iris
I will have a free bind after i get that add on setup for auto lock rock / health pot
pallid quiver
F is for charge
but f is for friends who do stuff together
oblique garnet
but f is for friends who do stuff together
O is for friends
grim pilot
its just till first boss
blazing condor
isn't it a strat to just start with no healer and clear until you need it then change
blazing condor
yeah not much happening on the first packs
grim pilot
well there is bursting
but aside from that there shouldn't
however 1 cast here or there usually goes through
strong forum
for first pull healer goes dmg
blazing condor
monks can dispel bursting on themselves no
strong forum
then swaps after.
blazing condor
rogues maybe can cloak
grim pilot
for first pull healer goes dmg
but u dont need that until like +20 really and I wouldn't do that unless u think u need it
because 1 thing goes wrong bursting week
strong forum
correct
grim pilot
u have to MD this
pallid quiver
It'll show the healer as DPS when they do that, as well
grim pilot
but then u have bursting
strong forum
correct
torn gulch
i've seen big av timed with 30+ deaths
plush path
hey quick question
grim pilot
i've seen big av timed with 30+ deaths
I mean raw death counter
doesnt tell u much
people farming 15 deaths on first pull at the very end
pallid quiver
you see the entire green text blob on the right, tho
pallid quiver
You see how you have that green blurb and stats?
grim pilot
all of the keys have lenient timer u just need to play clean
plush path
gholak is hard bis because of the effect
ty
torn gulch
all of the keys have lenient timer u just **need to play clean**
uldaman and neltharus are kinda tight
at some point
lusty grotto
grim pilot
I timed ulda 18 with 1 boss wipe and tank dying on 1 pull + sp died on biggest pull of the key right after popping his cds
we had like 15 deaths overall
and ulda is supposed to be
tightest
also we didnt do the omega pulls route just your avg pug 17-18 route
crystal iris
I was like how does a hunter do an entire +20 with no healer
And the warr wasnt even running second wind / shockwave
lusty grotto
talent swaps happen
crystal iris
Ya that makes more sense now
grim pilot
u play the first part and shit just melts because well extra dps
crystal iris
You think the Druid was healer or the monk was?
crystal iris
Ya
torn gulch
squish vegan is the guardian
grim pilot
I mean it's a team effort of knowing when to pop defs + druids off heal
grim pilot
- monk prob paying attention to when u need to heal a bit
crystal iris
Damn thats a cool strat
tribal wharf
in bfa i had/have a macro that went "/p bursting stacks at 4 stop dps, repeat mssage"
otherwise KR, AD, proably ML? and more were hell on those weeks, since perma debuff entire job to delete you
party deleting on death debuff that stacks and refreshes itself and is lethal without healing past 3 stacks
south zealot
You think the Druid was healer or the monk was?
healer
tribal wharf
awesome
crystal iris
did you not do keys during legion or bfa?
Nope. Only started playing in SL
Then took a break for S1 and S2 of DF
tribal wharf
i think it was more scary for dps than anyone else, healer just tries to heal it back then
lusty grotto
well thats how we did arcway back in the day
ooze upon ooze upon ooze? bursting? zone out
median tulip
uldaman and neltharus are kinda tight
Neltharus is fine if you can pull big; most of the trash isn't that dangerous as long as key abilities are handled properly. I actually really like it, because it's set up as a test of the whole party's control
torn gulch
Neltharus is fine if you can pull big; most of the trash isn't that dangerous as...
you know how those tests go in pugs
kekw
lusty grotto
was that ret afk
blazing condor
he's mentally bedge
median tulip
He spent a fair %age of the dungeon being dead, because aside from doing bad DPS and not kicking, he also sucked at dodgiing swirlies
I watched him dodge INTO several stormings
median tulip
did he have leggo
nope lol
lusty grotto
i may or may not have 1st hand experience at dying with leggo use
tribal wharf
in pugs i try to eat the stormings that would kill dps if situational
lusty grotto
bro leggo does some fucking griefing man
median tulip
The fucker tried to tell me I was pulling too big as well
I was like... "I pulled 6 mobs bro, why you dead?"
lusty grotto
thats an easy ignore and keep pressing W
lusty grotto
i didnt mean like in-game ignore lmao
more like who cares what this guy says
theres 0 reason to reply to those people
just keep going 🙂
median tulip
By the end I was pushing buttons so hard to beat his overall damage
Just to prove a point
crystal iris
*quickly zones out to put 2x blood borne
plush path
hi
ourboreal necklet is bis right?
and if so, how do i deal fire dmg for it to proc
south zealot
no u dont want that neck
violet ginkgo
ourboreal necklet is bis right?
Far from bis I’d say. Try Dathea’s necklace
lusty grotto
ourboreal necklet is bis right?
no
crystal iris
The ring is nice tho
plush path
no u dont want that neck
it was on wowhead\
jagged pier
its on the bis list
because in ideal gear the stats on that are okay
but generally no
lusty grotto
☝️
jagged pier
u dont aim for it at all
plush path
so what do you guys recommend i spend my 2 bullions on
south zealot
you have to have literal perfect gear for that neck to be equippable
crystal iris
Pins, or wowhead
violet ginkgo
so what do you guys recommend i spend my 2 bullions on
Check pin
plush path
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069/123743808672...
ty very nice guide
may i ask if i buy seal of diurna, how do i deal fire dmg to proc it?
south zealot
helm enchant embellishments weapon, some trinkets
plush path
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/bucktooth-emoji-patrick-star-smiling-emoji-bucktooth-smil...
how can you trust the discord program
and not trust warcraft logs uploader
plush path
im love discord
lusty grotto
what difference is between them
lusty grotto
that you think wcl uploader is not "secure"?
plush path
idk it looks sus
lusty grotto
BRO
plush path
i understand many ppl use it
lusty grotto
we all use it
crystal iris
You should be able to just drop the file onto the site
south zealot
think its elaborate bait
lusty grotto
millions use it
plush path
You should be able to just drop the file onto the site
this is what i was looking for
lusty grotto
what difference is there
between the program and doing that
theres absolutely 0
btw
plush path
its sus to download a program just to upload a file
crystal iris
Nom wants your data
lusty grotto
and can DDOS their shit
just so you know
we wont be able to help you with anything
gameplay related
plush path
yes i understood now
lusty grotto
so find a friend that logs and uploads at the very least
plush path
ill just ask basic questions
jagged pier
u already have
and seemed to ither not taken on the advice given
or forgetten what ppl have said to u
plush path
what do you mean
jagged pier
as youve asked the same questioned today as u did the otherday
lusty grotto
yogi 2.0 for sur elmao
jagged pier
or close enough too
plush path
wdym the logs?
i understand that if i dont have it i cant ask for help about my personal gameplay
thats why i said ill just ask general questions like how do i proc the seal ring
lusty grotto
well youre not gonna improve
without a log
unless you can self-improve somehow and know exactly what to look for
so find a friend that logs
plush path
ill look around
lusty grotto
fucking weirdge
jagged pier
Can always record yourself playing
crystal iris
ill just ask basic questions
Show us your DPS and HPS breakdown
lusty grotto
i guess a video is the 2nd best thing yea
jagged pier
That literally tells use fuck all
jagged pier
Again literally pointless
I could have 100%uptime and not block anything
But my aura shows 100% uptime so i mist be good right?
oblique garnet
I could have 100%uptime and not block anything
That would be impressive
lusty grotto
lol
crystal iris
It would be
crystal iris
Details are better than nothing and can help see like big mistakes
Which are 100% happening
lusty grotto
out of the 2
crystal iris
Won’t be useless, just dumb
oblique garnet
just butt tank
You know how hard it is to maintain 100% uptime on sb and not block a single melee
lusty grotto
out of the 2, details is not it
its the video that will help figure out if hes getting anally penetrated
in the absence of logs
lusty grotto
You know how hard it is to maintain 100% uptime on sb and not block a single mel...
i guess you would be right since you have to face to actually generate rage
oblique garnet
Yh
crystal iris
I guarantee if he posts details y’all are going to have LOTS to say haha
oblique garnet
No bully
lusty grotto
and he needs details breakdown open for us to actually use it
if he even has details
crystal iris
Well ya
lusty grotto
cause he mistrusts everything apparently
except discord
and raider.io
which is wild
cause warcraftlogs has existed far longer
than raider.io
like far far longer
jagged pier
Well heres a nother thing details can show, tc on top of break down, okay is the player doing massive pulls, is he under using SS, is he using outburst correctly
None of which we can actually tell from details break down
We can make assumptions but then we are likely to give incorrect information
Looking at healing Ip will always be at the top of healing can we tell if hes dumping rage into it? Or under using it from details? Most likely not
We can tell if they are pressing IV i suppose
lusty grotto
hell, warcraft logs has existed far beyond discord itself
ive used 4 voice comm programs since WCL went live
ventrilo, mumble, curse which became twitch and finally discord, not including teamspeak
crystal iris
We can make assumptions but then we are likely to give incorrect information
Most likely to be correct tho it’s not our first rodeo
lusty grotto
for a little history WCL wasnt even the original vanilla logging site, that was worldoflogs
crystal iris
Looking at healing Ip will always be at the top of healing can we tell if hes du...
Well know if Indom is his top healing 😂
lusty grotto
warcraft logs went live in 2013 thats... 11 years ago lmao
dusky canopy
strong forum
And before that it was world of logs iirc
lusty grotto
for a little history WCL wasnt even the original vanilla logging site, that was ...
☝️ ya
world of logs was the one
lusty grotto
also theres a reason a program is needed, it needs your pc to sanitize the logs into a readable format, which if they did on THEIR servers, their hosting costs would be ridiculously high
sanitizing logs for millions of uploads is a shitload of processing power
and if they did that on your browser, they would expose themselves to malicious takeovers easily
soo...
if youre ever on the fence
thats why
that being said youre smoking some good stuff if you install discord vs something that has existed for over 11 years
not saying one is bad, just saying its weird to think the older service is "sus"
south zealot
dude where the fuck are all my buttons
oblique garnet
dude where the fuck are all my buttons
Where potions healthstones
south zealot
potion is shift e i dont have healthstone bind actually
oblique garnet
lusty grotto
💯
lusty grotto
wheres your atomic recalibrator bind
lusty grotto
ez
south zealot
i lowered it to a 2 i got scared
dull relic
pussy
lusty grotto
💯
lusty grotto
lmao!
south zealot
ok now i died to enemy bc im stupid gg
lusty grotto
gg wp
south zealot
my team thinks im dumb 100p
lusty grotto
fuck em
rigid hull
Ulduman first area trash is actually one of the hardest trash in the game or?
median tulip
Gotta play those stops
lusty grotto
it fervents
median tulip
The kickables are mostly random target iirc. It's the stoppables that hurt.
lusty grotto
do not kite basilisks
median tulip
The most powerful weapon you have in there is voice comms. Coordinated stops matters so much.
south zealot
is this based or what
median tulip
is this based or what
No, that's a monk 🤣
south zealot
felt like i was cranking on that boss
south zealot
my team doenst kick im dead
need carapaces and chain lightning kick
stonebolts arent too big of a deal with spellblock up
grim pilot
need carapaces and chain lightning kick
man I did that pull on my vdh its fucking stupid I parried everything that hurts there
my hp bar didnt flinch
on 14
and im trash
grim pilot
🤨
south zealot
i think im missing something on dh
sometimes im just completely immune and other times i just immediately die
and i dont really know why
grim pilot
yep
My understanding of vdh has risen to 10%
I understand if I'm not in meta I'm not immune to dying
south zealot
idk man i press spikes on cooldown
grim pilot
iirc u shouldnt press spikes in meta
unless under specific condition
I still smack that button
median tulip
need carapaces and chain lightning kick
Carapace can be purged
south zealot
no time to purge during that pull
urban portal
sometimes im just completely immune and other times i just immediately die
you gotta count your defensives
grim pilot
souls in aoe
urban portal
you sometimes gotta book it
grim pilot
u press it on cd
urban portal
if you run out of defensives
grim pilot
and it extends your fiery brand/sigil
south zealot
idek what u guys are saying
urban portal
im saying that you should run away and kite
lusty grotto
put circle of flamy thingie
south zealot
wtf is frailty
urban portal
if you run uot of cds
lusty grotto
circle of flamy thingy down, keep it up with felspikes
use immo aura when flame is down
thats it
south zealot
oh yeah i have that
lusty grotto
ez
fiery brand if shit goes down
ez
you stack frailty by using spirit bomb or soul cleave
so basically by using your fury/soul consumers
its not super hard
its kind of the same 2 energy bar bs as BDK
basically
just keep sigil of flame and felspikes up, youll be fine
the rest are oh shit buttons
thats the tl;dr
south zealot
oh should i have this
zealous goblet
hey guys, sorry for the nooby question, i'm new to retail tanking, and the pinned messages don't seem to have an answer.
when should i be pressing ignore pain? i understand it's a great rage dump, but this ui i'm testing out only flashes for ignore pain as a rage dump at 70ish rage. am i meant to be pressing it once, then sustaining it through damage dealt or something?
urban portal
hey guys, sorry for the nooby question, i'm new to retail tanking, and the pinne...
pressing it to dump
thats it
zealous goblet
i thought priority number 2 after achieving really high shield block uptime was having that basically capped off as much as possible
lusty grotto
oh should i have this
yes
lusty grotto
hey guys, sorry for the nooby question, i'm new to retail tanking, and the pinne...
above 60-70 rage
you mash it
dont think about it
just mash it
it doesnt matter if you have IP already on you, you mash it
lusty grotto
nothing really matters except you being at around that range of rage
south zealot
idk how this guy plays cheat and gaps literally every other vdh in the world in damage
lusty grotto
cause he knows how to play lol
zealous goblet
what key level would you recommend to practice good rage habits? i've gotten to +10s and +11s but i'm starting to really feel the lack of understanding of retail warrior. i come from classic land
and i don't want to brick poor people's keys
median tulip
hey guys, sorry for the nooby question, i'm new to retail tanking, and the pinne...
If you're playing correctly you should be awash with Rage. Rage starvation is just not a thing for us.
zealous goblet
oh i'm not starved by any means, i was mainly wondering if i was being overzealous by making sure i'm capped, the question only really crossed my mind once i installed this weakaura. "why would it only flash at higher rage?"
like i'd just press it everytime i got 35 rage and had shield block up, basically, and was wondering how hard i was griefing
lusty grotto
what key level would you recommend to practice good rage habits? i've gotten to ...
did you play heroic strike?
IP is the same thing except its not on next hit
its off-gcd
and it goes off instantly
it takes HS's place as a rage dump
you dont spam it though
you just press it when youre above 60-70 rage
its uptime does not matter at all
you just send it
"capping" does not matter
uptime does not matter
you just send it
no questions asked
its that simple
median tulip
oh i'm not starved by any means, i was mainly wondering if i was being overzealo...
It wants you to keep a reserve of Rage in case you need to use Revenge or Execute as a last ditch means to proc a Strategist reset.
lusty grotto
oh i'm not starved by any means, i was mainly wondering if i was being overzealo...
you dont need an IP weak aura, only a Shield Block one
lusty grotto
like i'd just press it everytime i got 35 rage and had shield block up, basicall...
thats bad
above 60-70 rage you send it
zealous goblet
did you play heroic strike?
aye, i did
lusty grotto
once again for the 3rd time in a row
zealous goblet
and thank you everyone for your patience and answers
my friends keep trying to drag me higher and higher and i'm feeling my brain cells fry classic prot warriors were not meant to use more than 5% brain power
lusty grotto
its not complex
zealous goblet
i am in uncharted waters my friends
lusty grotto
its fairly simple
if youve played prot (not fury prot) at all you already have a basic understanding of the class
zealous goblet
aye i just mean the added learning mythic plus routes and stuff
lusty grotto
but retail warrior demands you spend rage at all times
mellow bridge
eww
lusty grotto
since anger management became a thing
median tulip
and thank you everyone for your patience and answers
You basically play a game of balancing between overcapping (bad) and not being able to proc fish. Which is why the talents for a bigger rage bar exist.
Read the talents Anger Management, Indomitable and Violent Outburst. Figure out how much stuff is happening when you press Ignore Pain. Realise that those talents are the actual reason we press Ignore Pain, and the absorb shield is just a nice rider.
zealous goblet
is there any situation where a revenge that isn't free is worth pressing?
south zealot
to apply deep wounds, or if you cannot use thunderclap or shield slam
median tulip
If you are fishing for a Strategist proc
south zealot
it being free or not doesnt impact its spot in the rotation
lusty grotto
revenge is only used for SS reset
it doesnt matter if its free or not
it has the lower prio
do not track its free procs
they dont matter at all
zealous goblet
oh, i fundementally misunderstood then. i figured it was used for fishing for procs, but wasn't sure if it was worth pressing if you aren't looking to rage dump. (like i said, i would press ignore pain as soon as i hit 35 rage and had shield block up, then when i was 100% on the absorb, i'd rage dump with revenge after reupping on both of those)
ok, well, thank you all so much!
lusty grotto
yeah thats incorrect
median tulip
I made my Rage tracker weakaura go "bing" whenever it hits 80%. I now have a Pavlovian reaction to the "bing" noise to instantly press G.
median tulip
oh, i fundementally misunderstood then. i figured it was used for fishing for pr...
Reading between the lines of what you are describing here, I am going to lay the following piece of information on you:
Shield Block duration stacks up to a maximum of three times the base duration.
zealous goblet
Reading between the lines of what you are describing here, I am going to lay the...
wait what
i knew shield charge and shield block stacked, but it can stack onto itself?
FUCK
lusty grotto
shield charge applies shield block
its not a separate thing
it stacks duration yes
zealous goblet
it was like when i discovered ignore pain stacks
i feel like a caveman discovering fire
lusty grotto
yeah except ip stacking does not matter
median tulip
You can even break that three times limit if you run bolster (do not run bolster)
zealous goblet
oh i wasn't going to, i figure if i am more dilligent i wouldn't need to. i see my haste has brought down shield block to a 10 sec recharge, with 8 sec uptime, and with shield charge's application i figure if i get good enough it'd be plenty
south zealot
damn prot paladin feels like ass with shield not giving hp
maybe prot warrior is the goat spec
median tulip
I love it when you get healers asking "why aren't you taking any damage?" As you wade knee deep in the corpses of the enemy. Peak Warrior.
median tulip
consecration gaming fucking blows
Every so often some idiot suggests something like consecration for us and I'm always in the "fuck that shit" camp
kind urchin
oh, i fundementally misunderstood then. i figured it was used for fishing for pr...
The only time I prioritize a revenge use is to apply deep wounds in an aoe pull. Just that one revenge though.
median tulip
The only time I prioritize a revenge use is to apply deep wounds in an aoe pull....
I just drop Ravager
south zealot
shield not giving hp just feels so bad
rigid hull
netlarus 14
1 min left
goddamn neltarus is so tight
our group was good too
i pulled too small i guess
strong forum
yeah nelth was the first key where timer was tight for some reason
so optimised route
lusty grotto
the timer was barely changed with the chains rework
lusty grotto
what was it 1 more min or something?
strong forum
hunters need nerfing, timer needs buffed
lusty grotto
yeah my route does as well
just zig zagging that room feels fucking bad
so much lost count on it too since you cant do the s2 big ass pull
well ig you can do it in vault keys cause i did
until i saw hunters melting people on 14s
tribal wharf
i loathe ruby life pools so much
tribal wharf
they might as well just called it "fire" the dungeon
lusty grotto
except for some sanguine/bolstering trolling, its a weekly key for me
tribal wharf
whole place is on fire
kind urchin
Ruby feels much better than it did before. I like it now.
rigid hull
ulduman and ruby the only 14s left for this week
south zealot
no shot sanguine isnt removed
lusty grotto
yeah absolutely agree
south zealot
in tww
rigid hull
ulduman the last boss
south zealot
such a disgusting affix
tribal wharf
absolutely horrid final half
lusty grotto
yeah sanguine just needs to fucking get nuked into the sun
holy shit i hate that affix
tribal wharf
2 elite dragons, and then the channeler dick at the final boss
south zealot
atleast you cant stack multiple sanguine anymore lol
lusty grotto
lol yogi takes are yogi takes
south zealot
or atleast it doesnt last a minute
lusty grotto
rigid hull
holy shit i hate that affix
ye its so energy draining for tanks
kind urchin
It feels like ulda should end after 4th boss. The rest just doesn't feel like it belongs there.
lusty grotto
its especially bad for us cause we need to run and not generate fucking rage
tribal wharf
nah man i played when 4 stacks of bursting was lethal and bolster triggered from non elites onto bosses
i seen the dark ages too
i played wow on launch you see
old new dark ages both types
tribal wharf
bursting kr pre nref
kind urchin
I also played since vanilla.
tribal wharf
there you go
lusty grotto
bursting kr wasnt bad at all
lusty grotto
the problem wasnt bursting
tribal wharf
i mean, legit, people would start a bursting kr, dudes at very start would die, bursting, we die, someone leaves
lusty grotto
there werent big fuck you pulls in KR so bursting was literally not a problem at all
tribal wharf
unless its spelt out every time its gunna be issue
kind urchin
Maybe an odd take but I really don't like entangling or storming.
tribal wharf
thats my ptsd, exlaining the wait out of los up the damn steps while the person solos it
every single god damn run
south zealot
can we just talk about siege of boralus coming back
why the fuck did they do that
nobody likes that dungeon and if you did youre horde and probably lying
tribal wharf
no, i don't ...............sad groans
lusty grotto
but honestly
south zealot
brought back mists as well
tribal wharf
why siege with the 3rd boss and the terror giants and the final boss
espeically that final boss god no why
lusty grotto
theyve actually done a good job at old M+ dungeons, the ones they have royally fucked are previous expansion dungeons that were never part of an M+ season... like ToTT and EB
so it might not be a bad one
that last boss is fucking aids though
south zealot
i thought everbloom was okay
lusty grotto
absolute horrible last boss
south zealot
definitely wasnt good but throne and vortex were much more egregious
south zealot
cata dungeons suck in m+ who wouldve thought
lusty grotto
eb was fucking bad
tribal wharf
i have failed siege of bolarus on so many keys its i don't have skill issue with that place but fuck it
cuz 3rd boss and final and maybe the fear giants
lusty grotto
legion/bfa dungeons theyve done well
south zealot
i want them to bring back junkyard again
median tulip
brought back mists as well
There are going to be so many people wanting to do that place for that fucking trinket
lusty grotto
so maybe SoB will be okay, hope they rework that goddamn fucking kraken i hate it
tribal wharf
whatever the 3rd boss does with the wave or whatever andt hen theres los, but the frontal line 1 shots dps
that has ended so many my runs
lusty grotto
what the fuck lol
south zealot
besides dawn but dawn also deviated from the trash focused lower and boss focused upper system
lusty grotto
thats the easiest boss
tribal wharf
you would think so but you would be wrong
tribal wharf
you arent entirely wrong because the final boss is the worst boss of all
median tulip
the mega dungeons are the best dungeons
Debatable. Streets was amazing, but Gambit was fucking terrible (mostly because that fucking dragon was total cancer to pug)
tribal wharf
worse than any plaguefall or neccroic wake......
the tentancle squid whatever the fuck, has ended so many runs i have had of that place
brtick wall 200 mph
median tulip
I'm not looking forward to explaining Tredova to people all over again, NGL.
But I am looking forward to hitting Ingra Maloch with Demolish while he's taking 200% extra damage.
tribal wharf
you gotta do that janky pvp water floating barels and planks and supply cubes shit to not get in water that like instantly kills you due to shark or something then tanking adds and someone has to fire gun 3 times, hopefully fast so swirlds dont kill you
fight from literal hell
its fun but i am 100% positive thats the top 3 bosses i wiped to bfa
south zealot
Debatable. Streets was amazing, but Gambit was fucking terrible (mostly because ...
wdym gambit was perfect
well
the murlocs should absolutely not run away
median tulip
It was a disgusting dungeon to pug
lusty grotto
gambit was fun
median tulip
3 bosses, all with mechanics someone would fuck up every time
south zealot
the biggest issue i gad waspugging workshop in s4
lusty grotto
also btw, 2 things about SoB:
- I hope we get horde zone in, not alliance, alliance zone in fucking sucks
- storming on last boss is gonna be fucking aids and everyone will get 1 shot by sharks
south zealot
the gear boss fucking owned people
south zealot
also btw, 2 things about SoB:
1. I hope we get horde zone in, not alliance, alli...
if they give alliance zone in they are a stupid company
not only was it harder
you had less time as well
median tulip
Streets though... Streets was one of my go-to vault fillers. Great dungeon.
lusty grotto
yeah
south zealot
its just completely fuckrd
streets was fun besides having one of the worst bosses ever
tribal wharf
south zealot
actuallt
tribal wharf
assuming they don't change it
south zealot
2 of the worst bosses
tribal wharf
pro tip for fture
south zealot
besides the first boss and music mf everything eas good
tribal wharf
that SHOULD deal dmg back to the unit that cast it, pretty good dps i recall
median tulip
The club "boss" was great fun
lusty grotto
first boss would be easier now due to pings
south zealot
nothing ever happened in music boss
south zealot
whenever u hot that first boss bug and he just wouldnt move his shield at all
that was bis
tribal wharf
he had a tendency to line up my party members and cast it on them all and then they'd get mad, always tried to get them to be sperate on pull
lusty grotto
sheesh
tribal wharf
that and during the hide phase would also get hit for some reasons
median tulip
I assume we will cycle through all of the BfA dungeons during TWW
tribal wharf
second boss had some rough trash, nothing u cant handle tho, semi hold W to second boss
median tulip
So sooner or later we get ToP
lusty grotto
BFA dungeons are mostly okay
for the most part, with the power gains we have from talents
median tulip
Except Plaguefall
lusty grotto
i feel legion and bfa dungeons are the better picks
south zealot
god threater was so bad
lusty grotto
idk when we will get SL dungeons
south zealot
now that im thinking about it, all of the sl dungeons were shit
median tulip
I adored ToP. Such a great dungeon.
south zealot
but m+ was still fun in s3/s4 bc the seasonal affixes were absolutely so insanely good
median tulip
SL S2 affix sucked ass tho
south zealot
but encrypted was easily the most fun affix ive played
lusty grotto
bfa s4 was great
south zealot
SL S2 affix sucked ass tho
it was bad yeah
lusty grotto
because corruptions also
south zealot
on the brightside i liked how u could skip and deal with the punishment on last boss
median tulip
BfA S4 was the pillars?
tribal wharf
south zealot
i thought that was a good thing
tribal wharf
i never did get that axe
south zealot
besides zul gamux being literally a 7 minute fight on high keys
lusty grotto
you could do some mad skips with it
south zealot
s4 was super lit
crystal iris
Eb and throne were fun on weekly keys
crystal iris
EB was
south zealot
throne was never fun for me
median tulip
it was the shourd with mobs
Yeah you clicked a pillar to enter, right?
crystal iris
Massive easy pulls
tribal wharf
wasnt that due to bfa s3 mdi was literally all the comps were 3 rogues as dps?
south zealot
eb was pretty fun bc ur overall went to sky
lusty grotto
doesnt matter, there are better big pull dungeons
tribal wharf
that they introduced that affix
lusty grotto
vastly better pig pull dungeons
crystal iris
And ya shadowlands affixes were fun why did they remove seasonal ?
south zealot
bc everyone hated thundering
tribal wharf
maybe it wasnt that bad, i know tons of them ran double or 1 rogue but there for sure was at least 1 3 rogue showing
south zealot
even the ppl that understood there was a damage buff from it hated it too
median tulip
And ya shadowlands affixes were fun why did they remove seasonal ?
Because they heard everyone complaining about Tyr/Fort balancing and decided to be stupid instead
tribal wharf
stun is a very powerful debuff to place on player for more that 3 seconds in ANY video game
might as well be dead
south zealot
even on fortified youre still wiping to bosses most of the time
lusty grotto
they removed seasonals because if they were good, they were fucking amazing, if they were bad, they were absolutely horrible