protection

[lusty grotto]

especially a team that can get stops in on specific times without fucking over the boss

[crystal iris]

I basically ran this but i split up 13 because they didnt know to LOS

and they facepulled the pack before 12 after I said to hug the wall bc we were skipping

other than that went pretty well, you think this is ok for 13s?

pull 12 was hard to gather too a cast went off and killed the healer, 4s stun followed by explosion

[lusty grotto]

thats not needed for a 13

at all

too much high risk

totally unneeded

i did this on my 13 (and this was 2-3 weeks ago)

more than enough

you optimize only for higher keys

13 aint it

15+ maybe

people are geared enough that you dont need to do those routes

as in, shit just dies fast

and you shouldnt risk wiping the group with risky pulls

the reason risky pulls are done is to make sure stuff dies optimally to save time

but if youre overgearing the key level, its unneeded

and at 520+, people overgear a 13... they are just not doing basic stuff like stops, kicks, and/or using defensives correctly if they cant time it

[strong forum]

Holding W still plenty enough for 15s

Just don't die 36 times and the key is GG

[dense cradle]

Honestly this spec is kind of fun if I forget for a second it doesn’t have 5 aoe stops.

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[crystal iris]

17 is wild

Unless they know to LoS I guess

[cunning inlet]

The basilisks chomp in Uld. Can that be ranged or los?

[lusty grotto]

no

it can be stopped

shockwave/fear helps

DO NOT KITE IT

you will get your melee killed or dps killed

because it fervents

[cunning inlet]

Ty

So it’s shockwave, fear, racial, defensive and hope for the best.

[pallid quiver]

How do I get mages to stand in melee during that pull

For reasons

[pine lotus]

Noob questions but why does archon have prot warr as #2 as opposed to say bear or pally? I understand why vdh is #1 but what is prot war excelling at

[crystal iris]

doest this mean when you do the first pull you should walk the basilisk with you to the next two packs and not just charge / leap away?

[crystal iris]

at our health bar staying at or above 90% for an entire key

damage aint bad either

[pine lotus]

is it much tankier than bear?

[crystal iris]

not sure, I dont play bear. but usually were the tankiest against physical damage

so bear probably better at magic damage than us outside or reflect and spell block

[proud dock]

is there a place for the latest uptodate MDT routes? returning player, trying to remember general patterns

[pallid quiver]

getting a buff so people wanna play it

That's probably the actual reason

All the tanks are in a pretty decent state overall

Some are just more decent than others

vdh

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/yeGkjBW.png

i wouldnt call this a ranking

if 4 tanks are within "6 score" of each other

or this for a broader specturm of keys

the only take away from these lists is

vdh #1

rest is just

and i call mine, identity crisis

[lusty grotto]

they dont chomp on pull

they have a cd

[proud dock]

how many bullions are we posed to have atm? (for a recently made toon)

[lusty grotto]

3 without quest

3 buys

so 6

8 if you did the quest, which im sure you didn't since its a recently made toon

[shrewd vapor]

Soooo who is "thee" prot warrior to watch? Vids? Guides?

[crystal iris]

timed my 13 in there

but goddamn it was painful

[lusty grotto]

a time is a time

[pallid quiver]

Guides on IcyVeins and Wowhead, both are good. For people to watch, Nomeratur streams, Critcake's been moonlighting as Prot for fun on the side and outperforming most Prot Wars on the world, and Sense uploads to his youtube

[lusty grotto]

cant forget plka

[crystal iris]

Finally happy with bh route

Pug friendly no rotsifners

Don’t think I’ve DPsed all week

Nok, Bh, AA, AV, all feel great. Uld feels terrible, nelt still needs work

The mobs all look the same it’s hard to know what to pull

[pallid quiver]

Oh, is Plka actively vidjaying this season? Haven't noticed if so. But yeah, also good one to watch

[lusty grotto]

im not entirely sure

but cant really not mention him

[pallid quiver]

I was trying to keep it to people who I know have been active recently, particularly on the strim end, but I do agree on that

[lusty grotto]

hes been playing

cause he has runs

skipped last week though, understandable

fuck sanguine

[blazing condor]

Havent seen any streams

Nor vids

[lusty grotto]

hes probably doing vdh

[minor forge]

What trinket should I go for?
Have the council amirdrassil one and the bombs one from algethar
Playing very very casual

[lusty grotto]

neither of those are good

dreadplates, anvil or signet, all totem, manic grieftorch are good picks

dreadplates + all totem might be the easier to use bet
anvil/signet require stack management/uptime
manic grieftorch can grief you if you use it incorrectly as you cannot block or parry while casting it

farm BH for a treemouth for the best defensive trinket in the game

[radiant mortar]

can someone explain the stun rotation on third boss in ulda?

[lusty grotto]

he has 2 orbs, those are protections, you can remove them with your own shockwave and/or stormbolt (or by running him to puddles)

the third stun effect (via your own stuns or by puddles) will actually stun her, but will give her a damage amp

the goal of that boss is

to stun her ONLY when shes about to get 100% energy OR when shes about to kill someone with an aoe

you want to fully stun her as little as possible

more damage amps means her bleeds and knockback+aoe will hit harder by 10% 5% each stack, so limiting when youre fully stunning her is crucial especially in tyrannical

[earnest cove]

Damage amp is capped at 5 afaik

[lusty grotto]

i stand corrected

it is indeed 5%

[lusty grotto]

does that answer your question?

as a rule of thumb i always stun her above 80 energy and when shes about to do an aoe

unless... there's an emergency and someone is ridiculously low because a bleed is owning them

[radiant mortar]

Oh that explains a lot

I got told to stun him before every second stomp

[lusty grotto]

you do not want to run her over puddles continuously, that will wipe you relatively fast in tyrannical

yeah 2nd stomp is good, shes about 80 energy then

[radiant mortar]

so I was perma moving and throwing all I had at him

[lusty grotto]

watch her model

[radiant mortar]

so how do I do it then stormbolt, shockwave puddle?

[lusty grotto]

those 2 orbs are his 2 protections

[radiant mortar]

and then puddle puddle shield charge?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter how you do it

you have options

i find it better to just leave stormbolt for the last hit

so i can stun her without walking him over shit

do not ever cast a stun right away before he gets the orbs back, you will double stun her

[radiant mortar]

Ok so it doesn't matter how I get rid of the protection

[lusty grotto]

and then you'll have 2 stacks back to back

[radiant mortar]

just stun him before second stomp

[lusty grotto]

sure, sometimes the group is healthy enough that i let her cast 2nd stomp

just watch his energy

and the health of the group

[radiant mortar]

👍 gotcha

[lusty grotto]

but usually 2nd stomps is good timing

since she will have high energy then

[radiant mortar]

and if I stun too often the dmg ramp gets too much correct?

does every stun count so even the ones that remove the protection?

[lusty grotto]

no

those do not count

only when she gets fully stunned

protection removal is safe

[radiant mortar]

alright thx

[lusty grotto]

on a high tyrannical you want to end the fight with about 3 to 4 full stuns

depending on dps

that's 20% damage since 5% each, so 4 stacks

or 15%

the less, the better obviously

should be 2-3 this week since fort

[violet ginkgo]

and shield charge too

[blazing condor]

yeah ive shield charged on CD and sometimes stun him prematurely

[violet ginkgo]

Also Nim after you explain the same thing to me at least my life has been easier in the uldaman, just run him through 2 orb and then just casually DPS and wait then casting titanic > stormbolt ezpz.

[minor forge]

Will get dreadplates for now until I have more bullions

[jagged pier]

Yer it is until dps stun for mo reason

[violet ginkgo]

[cold surge]

has anyone figured out a macro for remix so we can have both our heroic leap and the cogwheel heroic leap on the same button without both going off at once? :p

[rigid hull]

how do u guys usually tap ur potion?

ultimate power

[jagged pier]

Before i pop my cds

[jagged pier]

No but u should be using trailblazer anyway as u spend most or time running out of combat

Its faster

[remote dawn]

can any one show me how must look the damage overall in a dungeon?

when revenge on first i to it too much?^^

[warm plinth]

Yes, way too much

[crystal iris]

This is what mine looks like

idk if thats what its supposed to, but there ya go lol

I feel like its pretty sketchy skipping thsese hunters in nelth bc you cant touch the patrolling bird

and if anyone dies later on they cant run back

[strong forum]

That's my breakdown from BH 16

And this is from AV15

[crystal iris]

greiftorch nice

[austere oar]

I don't feel like I'm missing shield slams but my TC is much higher than it on my prot warr I'm currently gearing

I'm doing 6s on it tho for the moment

[azure nimbus]

Can’t skip without Sleepwalk bird

[mellow bridge]

anything that can CC the bird is fine if you do it in the right spot

sleepwalk is the easiest, but stuff like root or incap works as well

[remote dawn]

mmmh so i mist much more shield slam this is on place 4 or 5 🤣

[mellow bridge]

if SS is that far down, you are pressing it WAY too little

[frosty mango]

Are you talented into show of force? That will add a good bit to tclap but shield slam is basically full send

[austere oar]

yeah I'm running it

also my character is 499 ilvl

[echo egret]

(M+) I was suggested to use omniCD to know when to pull big, but I don't want to clutter my screen too much. Anyone with a profile that only shows offensives ?

[blazing condor]

omnicd makes it easy to just check whichever ability you want

go class to class

[echo egret]

yeah that's precisely the hassle I don't want to do myself 🙂

[strong forum]

dont think omniCD has profiles

so yeah

[echo egret]

it does, and you can share them

[strong forum]

oh?

Tv12UnYnm0FO2crsD91K0STaTob1bO9jbmXwgEqhpJXmYPB2V(Lsu(g2cdyqjsrD4rhYjcX3IR)sAmn3num3nnMxkgl5U8PLh6MRl6)wkUcvXC936x7MZFwC8r)s)79d9YQU50yx89sehphXCx)2hFADX0BO4dX1G3znQILhqSUtWHGUyrG1c1TuoJRgKvR0vFHq5FeaVVgI2gS(IHb0HAOGlOmUQLXfKOac5aLuIUGGa2TGad7uqaQm1KHkhyLCemUIbxnPVMN7yUy5CfX2vMJR33hsBlHVCmnm82NhtL9NY7tZmtWbVPNzw2AZPL80b8Qjump(XX8C)4)MYLvB7lzrox)2)C6J0H0y1dJG08y3WtPDPXL(ps1nxwsJBQM3MKBdzdNJXojhBMgxoDOa4YQPD3ew56E6(ZDAKVXhFSSO)WHtJL346t7HUXtDdVo9dKXNXNTGc0KNFFT8ZhQJ7(znfx)14ZENpyiYyaBabRQ4XiQPmxCVSB5FIRaMg30X4BL6xyUF9Y0C(HpJR0X1JDhsX1mEUQm)7(T598Hyzv(csufK8)brvdIgRLXGw7qny03crh4GqqBz1H36myXJUj5ls6PL(C)0yvPNZDB2hx)2lV(h)6Z8ghNtlm9FDJntdNomUexXLr34M9tZvN)1V)LF7Ts2QYLk(SKikniRpRcB2qKNxAhiEdFvvION1Qnvm9d9ekYsW9nfaXLA1cdotnEUpqHs8whHIUhbQ1bWhqDBha36iTGKtXS3LWR(SbTQ14y9Y9O8AO2wHwUOG7B(iNVvNmg80DDYurJi(q0OKcMmeCUTfC27BVDeHMldmAxpA0uRGnbxJx8TJgohM)sE5Xp89)EbBA0CMWnYbipHYaeuPvs1qAds1(xdBq3p3WaOdUFSgGKsyjoBk5w1yBkybV22tLwjxppnkOB5WlztZ5sgGsbmyBfJhusnWs37hbYIiVwSSAhvjjTZ0iAhlOcLcaukB79ZOf5xWFDCBfsn)kqyoYCPUOMq968t(5aeoh8ARffzSxctR43qXcyNQMGgflcPM(0YxG7mLdsET(G8bHBNOF(Jeuaavd9SQQEuV3Ew30(mdt0nq6yEwEj9AsUGsLkwiGkrjRbxR6bGf31t45oGMCWQ8TxbL80tMGV1POyHCRXYXTSvHHpiPfbd3yiSFa1E5Jm9L5Z1V2EEeOLNlTSF6)EBAAi3FSgM8l(YHX(hFQBy4N4X2DNgYFp

try this

thats mine

[blazing condor]

brother doesnt wanna spend 3 minutes

[strong forum]

(it tracks alot of things)

((cuz i want to see alot))

[echo egret]

Thanks

[crystal iris]

Always prioritize SS over TC unless you need aggro at the start of a pull

SS should be top DPS unless you’re doing massive pulls like BH or AA or if you’re running 2x bloodborne

[strong forum]

thats my dmg from r1 RLP +15 dmg

thats from r1 neltharus 14

so yeh

prio that shieldslam

more rage = more good

[near walrus]

i have the same bad habit of pressing TC way to much for no reason, even when i have full aggro

[mental scarab]

Probl muscle memory from BFA

[near walrus]

pretty much, just did a BH 12 and my TC is way higher than my SS

im forcing myself to SS a lot more now

[mellow bridge]

i dont think tc being above SS would be very crazy for a BH tbh

[near walrus]

i also think im wasting violent outburst on tc

[dusky canopy]

isnt there a target count where its ok to do outburst on tc

idr it though havent been playing prot

[mellow bridge]

for aoe damage, yeah

[median tulip]

There is, yes

6, I think?

[pallid quiver]

8 iirc

[frosty mango]

What does this come out to for overall dps

[south zealot]

first is ruby 15 second is nelth 14

log dps so naturally lower than details dps

[orchid mural]

thats as close as she gets lol

[frosty mango]

I never log mine but my details dps is usually 320 330 or so, my shield slam is top but not by that much

I’m scuffin up

Pretty sure that’s a good chunk lower than 300k if logged

[south zealot]

using outbursts on tc can be better for overall dps but its probably always better to use outburst on ss

[frosty mango]

I’m using a 528 anvil and I’m good at keeping it up so tbh im probably losing a lot of dps by not slamming as much as I should

[south zealot]

i had a 490k overall go to like 398k overall on logs

that key had a lot of combat drops though

[strong forum]

Around 370k but with aug

Active dps was uuuh

Dunno

[frosty mango]

I’m being held down by my doodoo weapon

[strong forum]

active log dps in RLP without reflects is 321k

neltharus without reflects (cant remember if there are any) 333k dps

[strong forum]

ya, weapon is my last slot that isnt mythic

i mean i have a mythic weapon but heroic gholak just better

[frosty mango]

I have a normal gholak

Raid dps main

[strong forum]

ye same

running 2x BSL embellishs too

[frosty mango]

I’m running shadowflame but I had to spend my bullion on dreadplate because it never drops on raid

[strong forum]

i got lucky with prot trinkets

[frosty mango]

I’ve run bh 40+ times and haven’t seen the trinket yet

Took me 32 runs to get puzzle box

Trinkets and luck aren’t in the same paragraph

Not even in the same paper for me

[strong forum]

didnt see tree-mouth yet either

but you aint gonna see me run it either

dreadplates+all-totem for scary mob dungeons

otherwise anvil/grieftorch

[median tulip]

I've got Cataclysmic Signet Brand and the Fyrakk tank trinket

I'm considering what to get with the 2 bullion I have right now

[strong forum]

well what do yo have

[frosty mango]

Anvil + dreadplate for me for 13+ and grieftorch + storm eaters for troll keys

[median tulip]

Gholak and Diurna

I spent the other one on the 2 hander

[strong forum]

broodkeeper ring

[median tulip]

My other ring is my AFP

Might get a Shield

[strong forum]

what is afp

ah, flavour pocket

[mellow bridge]

myth shield is phat

[median tulip]

Yeah, the flavour pocket is pretty damn useful

[toxic pewter]

Goin earthen gonna have infinite food

Gonna eat rocks

[median tulip]

Don't earthen only get secondaries though. So no primary stat food

[toxic pewter]

Dunno

Damn you’re right O_O

[strong forum]

i mean

since s3 this season secondary food is better

or s2 even

[toxic pewter]

Maybe they will be tuned in a way where they’re better that regular food

Oh really didn’t even realize secondary better than str

[rigid hull]

hows our single target damage vs vdh

without windfury

[strong forum]

very similar

[flint tiger]

Wait, secondary stat food is better for prot?

[mellow bridge]

double secondary, yeah

but it's food so the difference is minimal

[jagged pier]

unless panda

[pallid quiver]

yeah i'm still usng my store of eggs atm

It's not big enough for me to care

[blazing condor]

panda gang

not to mention i can jump from shit and not die

[spark mortar]

Looking for a Bullion suggestion. Only doing Heroic raids currently, regularly pushing decent M+ for Keystone Hero. I have Gholak, Diurna Ring, Filial Ring, and Fyrakks trinket right now. Thinking I might snag the Grieftorch. 🤔

[blazing condor]

yeah go for a dps trink

anvil / grieftorch are both good picks

or all-totem but thats only really good for m+

[outer wave]

how's fyrakk dps trinket or signet brand for prot m+?

[flint tiger]

Which secondary stat food do we like to go then, haste/vers or haste/crit?

[blazing condor]

brand is really good if you can keep the stacks up

augury is meh now

better off taking other choices

[lusty grotto]

haste/crit

[tribal wharf]

last i was playing it was main stat food buff

i dunno why it changed

[strong forum]

cuz food doesnt change, but our ilvl does

and the more primary stats you have, the bigger the % gains from secondary stats are compared to flat str

getting +70 str is alot more worth when you only have 8k str compared to when you have 18k str

[rigid hull]

bh 14

could be higher i guess

https://tenor.com/view/cat-transform-gif-24938417

[strong forum]

getting there!

[south zealot]

im panda, is primary bis

i dont care enough to sim it

[valid hinge]

How do prot warrior feel about totem of the all master trinket from voti for M+?

[strong forum]

Really good

One of the best trinkets for multitarget situations

[tribal wharf]

virtually 100% uptime of +XYZ secondary and effect

[strong forum]

That's not what it does, would be awesome if it did but no

Each effect only lasts 8-10 seconds

But you get one every 30 seconds, so still 30% uptime on one of the beneficial buffs + the dmg procs

[tribal wharf]

i thought it was every 30 seconds after trigger, buff for 30 seconds and 10 second of effect

still, ya good

[strong forum]

Yeah nah

[lusty grotto]

hmm

im scared

to pandaland i goooo

[strong forum]

^kek

bracken is turbo chill

the scariest mob is the decay speaker

and you only pull 1 or 2 of them in the entire key

[pallid quiver]

brack is hard because I only loosely know the direction I'm moving after first boss moving towards tree

[lusty grotto]

NA pugs tho

[pallid quiver]

ur an na pug

gottem

[lusty grotto]

indeed i am

[pallid quiver]

i'm more tho

[crystal iris]

can anyone help with my dgenerate macro?

[lusty grotto]

gross

[crystal iris]

I used to have shockwave first, then int shout. But I want to switch them around to not DR mobs

[lusty grotto]

i can help you

delete it and bind both separately

[crystal iris]

Im out of buttons

[lusty grotto]

no u arent

[crystal iris]

I played brewmaster and had enough keybinds

wtf prot

[lusty grotto]

i dont have an mmo mouse

i play with good ole FPS mice

and i have everything bound

shift 3 is shockwave, shift 4 is fear, ez

[crystal iris]

I mean like I guess i could

but id have to rearrange all my bars

[frosty mango]

Do you have like 3 fingers

No chance you’re out of buttons much more likely you are not using all of them

[crystal iris]

two full actions bars plus both mouse buttons arent enough apparently

[crystal iris]

I checked, im using all of em haha

ill screenshot later

[lusty grotto]

youre not out binds

use modifiers

[crystal iris]

Im not out of binds

ok but can you help with the macro or not? it worked when i put shockwave first

[lusty grotto]

no

[frosty mango]

Two action bars with 2 modifiers is like 30+ binds that’s more than enough

[lusty grotto]

cause i dont use macros that do a disservice to me

i even have empty slots

im not even using shift mouse 3

lmao

or shift x

[pallid quiver]

no you need that one nim

we get it back for free next xpac

[kind urchin]

I use a Tartarus pro. No issues with keybinds.

[lusty grotto]

absolutely luerce

0 mmo mice

mmo mice are banned

g502 till a new one comes along

[kind urchin]

I hate mmo mice. I use a Roccat Kone xp.

[lusty grotto]

my man

[kind urchin]

My old g502 left click started double clicking. Was the best fps mouse I ever had.

[lusty grotto]

its even better now with light switches

the new revisions

[kind urchin]

They went optical?

[lusty grotto]

yes about 2 years ago

[kind urchin]

Welp, guess I'll be getting another one.

[lusty grotto]

i def will after my hero one dies

[crystal iris]

no fat there

[rigid hull]

maybe use some alt + something @crystal iris

alt

+1 2 3 4

[crystal iris]

for sure I can use alt something and control something

[rigid hull]

crtl is ASS but alt is good

[crystal iris]

Im just saying 2 full bars dont fit it all, I dont have my macro for stance dancing

and stoneform

[rigid hull]

what i do is

i hide the spells i dont need to see

[crystal iris]

health pot and lock rock is mouse buttons

I could put fear on middle mouse

and use some alts I guess

[crystal iris]

like?

[rigid hull]

u can hide charge i guess

its always rdy xd

[lusty grotto]

i use ctrl just fine

[rigid hull]

but idk u still need

a third bar

[lusty grotto]

i have 0 alt keys

its all barebones, shift and control

[rigid hull]

my binds lowkey fire

[lusty grotto]

those aint binds if youre a clicker

[rigid hull]

nah i just hide them

for a clean look

[lusty grotto]

or just hide the buttons completely

(:

[rigid hull]

xd

starting to think

what i can hide

maybe stances into 1 button

or 1 icon

been said before i can hide ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

shrug i have no stance bar showing

[rigid hull]

but im too used too it now

can u show ur ui?

[lusty grotto]

sure but im on my remix bdk rn

lmao windows caught the snipping tool shit

just realized the dk WA is higher than its supposed to be

[cinder nova]

should I be wary of enh doesn't take wf in M+

on a melee heavy comp

like how much value is sunder

[lusty grotto]

they typically dont

only in raids

you can suggest it but its a kind-of out of the way talent

[pallid quiver]

It now competes with high value damage nodes, especially their aoe nodes, and isn't as much of a gain AOE as it is ST. It would literally require every member of the party to be a high value target, including healer, for it to reliably be worth

[glacial shadow]

Does the lack of any healing effect warrior while most other tanks can basically self sustain?

[lusty grotto]

no

we prevent damage, not react to it

[pallid quiver]

Considering that statement is factually incorrect, as well

[lusty grotto]

so we have very little need for self sustain

[pallid quiver]

since we have indom and impending victory

[lusty grotto]

true

[glacial shadow]

On a 30 second cooldown

[lusty grotto]

again

we are damage preventers

[pallid quiver]

indom doesn't even have a cd

[lusty grotto]

if you want to play a reacting tank, play BDK

or VDH

or even prot pala

or bear

just not monk or warrior

[pallid quiver]

monk still has expel harm that people point to

[lusty grotto]

though i guess clearing stagger kind of acts as reactionary

the answer to your question is

no, it does not affect us

in any way

unless if you dont know how to play

[pallid quiver]

unless you're getting clapped in the ass by turning, then it'-

ye that

[lusty grotto]

but even then there are tools to correct mistakes

[rigid hull]

is it bad i macrod potion into avatar @lusty grotto

i cba tracking potion

[lusty grotto]

yes

[rigid hull]

just send it

[lusty grotto]

youre just burning pots

i dont cause damage amps

and weird lust timings

[rigid hull]

pff another bind

so use it with lust?

[lusty grotto]

ideally

or with a damage amp phase

[rigid hull]

i see

like nelt last boss?

[lusty grotto]

but lust is typically used in those anyway

optimally, i mean

[rigid hull]

ye 2x 5 mins

ok time for some ui changes

but its like i should always use the second pot after lust right @lusty grotto

no matter the sitution

so its rdy for next lust again

[lusty grotto]

im not sure what you mean

ideally you want to pot on huge puls

specific places

not on cd

or at least not specifically on cd

[rigid hull]

okay

[pallid quiver]

just pull around pot cd, ez

Always have big pull 5 mins apart

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

Flame group if they don't kill boss fast enough to keep your pace

Ez clap

[lusty grotto]

[rigid hull]

i also feel like

i dont use defesne stance alot

im puting pressure on healer

by always stanidng on battle stance

[lusty grotto]

doubtful

[rigid hull]

he could do damage if i was full hp

[lusty grotto]

youll know when you have to swap

by your hp dropping

[rigid hull]

like i was doing this bh 14 with druid healer

we timed the dungeon

the druid was telling

i was babysiting u alot

mening he could do more damage if he wasnt

[lusty grotto]

you only drop from spells there, use more spell block

[rigid hull]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-gif-20569892

[pallid quiver]

On top of that, some healers babysit because they don't know how to use their throughout tools well, so any damage becomes stress to push through. Kneejerk is it's not the case at that key level and you need to leverage defensives more, but

[rigid hull]

any "current stance" WAs in the chat xd

i dont wanna have 2 icons for stances

got it

[pallid quiver]

I just made a text one and slapped it on my healthbar

Didn't even do anything fancy, just used the inbuilt text wa creator

[lusty grotto]

https://wago.io/D95uPp67U/10

[rigid hull]

enhanced it a bit

missing potion

gonna add

fucking healthstone man

taking extra slot...

[lusty grotto]

uhh

i use an addon

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/auto-potion but it takes some setting up

you need to set up a macro and it'll swap with healthstone/dreaming, but i havent set it up to use withering

should work with withering dreams

at least the last update says it was added

i guess i gotta toggle it on

so yeah its just one bind for HS > Withering /dreamwalkers

but you have to make the macro for it to work

[crystal iris]

can anyone explain this ability to me?

hit a DPS for 2mil...

[lusty tiger]

@waxen frigate https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/244190952107933697/1247019158487695410/banned_words.png?ex=665e8097&is=665d2f17&hm=1c121059530dd9c8b6be76990d9e8f8069bc210c3eaaa9e2c9086b332e582436&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=611&height=897

[south zealot]

did you spec pta

and out of rjw

theres jusy no way

[south zealot]

withered contagion needs to be dispelled

immediately

or siphoned decay happens

[lusty grotto]

dispel dn

[crystal iris]

No wonder ppl want pallies

[unkempt hazel]

love pta

🗣️

[bronze lantern]

just ref it frfr

[waxen frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5gLwI3127I @lusty tiger

[waxen frigate]

this is a first amendment violation

[unkempt hazel]

so is this where bogur picked it up

[deft hinge]

talk properly. Pog!

[radiant mortar]

some would say Im bad at dodging storms, but I say I just eat them so my melee dps have a easier live

[ionic fern]

Storming does damage?

[jagged pier]

yer but not much

so sven is comping them

[blazing condor]

no shame in tanking storming

can save lives from dumb dps

[radiant mortar]

exactly the reason I do it

what does comping mean tho?

[blazing condor]

maybe he meant chomping

[jagged pier]

i did

[blazing condor]

i speak fluent jakeynese

[jagged pier]

[radiant mortar]

oh yeah

[unkempt hazel]

I too tank the storming often

as dps

[jagged pier]

[valid edge]

how is prot looking in tww?

[median tulip]

#1230008411333066913

[radiant mortar]

To lose my fear of big pulls, should I switch to the "I will never die" build?

[ionic fern]

What is a big pull?

Just go into dstance.

[torn gulch]

yea easing into big pulls you can dstance them at first

then get used to switch to bstance more and more

[ionic fern]

I'm usually in dstance when gathering like 5-6 packs.

After they are grouped you can swap back.

[torn gulch]

oh you're allowed to group them?

i'm not allowed

[ionic fern]

I'm always allowed to group them.

It's the DPS that die if they are mongs. 🙂

[torn gulch]

you have a dps dps the first pack while i am off to get the rest

die and write in chat "tank?"

[ionic fern]

If they die, they die.

Their fault.

[unkempt hazel]

is that the actual approach

[ionic fern]

That is my apporach at least.

[unkempt hazel]

kek

[ionic fern]

Join party, link the route.

If they go ham before the pull is gathered and die, that's on them.

[unkempt hazel]

just that I keep trying out tanking and almost always ppl die on big pulls

[ionic fern]

I'm like 95% sure most people don't even check the route.

[unkempt hazel]

and I cant tell if im the one at fault

uh

not even big pulls tbf

like the 2-3 packs in hoi

[ionic fern]

Spend a few globals on each pack.
Charge->TC->Revenge -> Next pack.

[unkempt hazel]

the first 3, the 2nd and 3rd being like 2 mobs

[ionic fern]

I also take the AoE Heroic Throw in some places where i do giga pulls for easier snap aggro.

E.g Neltharus.

Or Brackenhide.

[unkempt hazel]

its not even aggro issue

just that ppl die to shit and casts

and if I shouldn't pull smth together

[ionic fern]

That's pull specific.

So i can't comment unless i know which pulls you mean.

But it's a fairly well known fact that the majority of people don't use their interrupt / defensives effectively.

[unkempt hazel]

for example the NO first pull, the big patrol + main thing

w/e its called

the objective guys

[ionic fern]

That should be a fairly straight forward pull.

Can be some bad RNG

But other than that it's healable/avoidable.

So, people bad.

[unkempt hazel]

[crystal iris]

How TF does crit do so much damage

And run without shockwave in pugs

[ionic fern]

Press buttons.

Do big pulls.

Profit.

[crystal iris]

I think there’s even a point where he drops SS and just TC and revenges on the lashers

[crystal iris]

It’s AA i mean I’m pretty sure I’m pulling the same

[lament musk]

very rare i skip sslam

[ionic fern]

🤷
Whenever i do AA most Lashers die before i get all my damage out. 😂

[crystal iris]

Sometimes I slow the videos down to like .75 to watch the spell queue and it looks like I’m pressing the same buttons

I barely get to press revenge bc SS and TC is always ready

lol crit you just answered me in the video - « because I’m a DPS player, idiot » 😂

First thought was that I’m using IP too much but I’m never too rage starved for revenge on big pulls

[lament musk]

people say that and then i see things like this

[crystal iris]

Hey at least that wasn’t as prot lol

But I meant like even if I’m making small changes to the rotation, I’m not wildly off from what you’re doing in keys and I’m not hitting 3 mil on lashers or 5mil as arms and it feels like I’m doing the same thing

I’m like why is he doing an extra 2 mil lol

[grim pilot]

Frappe mortelle

[ionic fern]

Could just be that he's hitting more enemies with bleeds etc.

I don't Arms tho, so no clue.

[crystal iris]

I guess 2x bloodborne helps and the 30s CDR on roar. But if I take that I’m for sure losing DPS to the pulls before and after vex

I mean even as prot

[ionic fern]

BB is huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge on big pulls.

[crystal iris]

No shockwave and no disrupting shout seems insane to me

[lament musk]

you should play those 2 talents

[crystal iris]

Spell block i guess is fine to drop in AA if you can survive the storm mini boss Ig

[lament musk]

im just a dumb dps player in disguise when ive been playing pwar

[crystal iris]

Y’a i usually do unless it’s a farm key

[ionic fern]

Remember that you're a tank - DPS is not everything it's about.
You can do w/e talents in keys you are comfortable with, but if you're trying to improve/push, especially in pugs, you should still play stops.

[crystal iris]

I usually take everything I can to help the pug group

Speaking of helping the group, hunters in Nelth this week

What can I do

[ionic fern]

Pull as few of them as possible.

[crystal iris]

There’s no trick?

[ionic fern]

Not that i know of.

[crystal iris]

I have to pull at least 4

[ionic fern]

Don't pull 4 together then. 👀

[crystal iris]

Most likely 6 in the whole dungeon

[ionic fern]

Woah.

That's a lot of hunters.

[crystal iris]

I mean 2 manadstory before chains boss

[ionic fern]

I'm skipping most of them.

[crystal iris]

I pull the 2 near spawn otherwise no one can run back

[ionic fern]

Those i skip.

[crystal iris]

There’s 2 in the two pulls after chains boss and

[lament musk]

yeah skip as many of them as poss

[crystal iris]

I tried it but it’s a nightmare when pugs die to a double scorch cast or a hunter later on

[lament musk]

they're toxic af

usually just do more trash around elephant boss and last boss instead

[crystal iris]

lol as arms yesterday I pick up chain before chains boss and both jump on me immediately

[ionic fern]

^

[crystal iris]

I was like alright fk these guys

I’m ready for Tyr week now tho these keys are rough

Although both weeks I have a lot of keys where I just stand there and watch DPS dying

No wonder this arms warrior did no damage in your key

[ionic fern]

What are you pointing out there?

[lament musk]

im also trying to figure it out

[jagged pier]

bladestorm before the adds?

[ionic fern]

That's good...

[crystal iris]

I mean is it

[ionic fern]

You want priority DPS...

Not just random padding dps...

[crystal iris]

Adds need to die and bladestorm is hitting boss anyway

[ionic fern]

Adds die super fast in most cases.

[lament musk]

it's not thaaaat bad to pre bladestorm to stack hurricane if the adds die too fast

[ionic fern]

Or just get cleaved down.

[lament musk]

but i dont think thats what he was doing

[crystal iris]

Dude says « woah huge fan » and proceeds to get gapped by the tank

I’d be so embarrassed if I was DPsing as war and crit joined and blasted me by 40k

[lament musk]

think i did nearly 1m on that boss in that run

[crystal iris]

I think 1min roar makes all the difference looks like it was up for every add phase

[ionic fern]

Maybe he was also taught to play by Erga as i was.
Famous words from him when i asked how to Fury: "Use CD's on CD as Fury".

[lament musk]

cds on cd is the way!

if in doubt just send

[crystal iris]

I mean sure but it was during the germinate haha you can wait 2 more globals

[frosty mango]

There is no half send, only full send

No ragrets

[ionic fern]

@lament musk , while you're here.
Is Fury also near 0 with Wasted Rage in m+?

[lament musk]

nah you usually waste some rage as fury

[crystal iris]

WW big culprit

[ionic fern]

I'm going to assume not like 2.5k, right?

[lament musk]

during reck rav it's expected to waste some rage

[ionic fern]

😂

[crystal iris]

You have ravager down as soon as you need to WW you’re almost garnered to overcap on big pulls with reck going

[lament musk]

2.5k sounds like a lot but it's not something i've looked at so not sure

[ionic fern]

Okay, thanks.

[plush path]

hi where can i find prot war best in slot items

[crystal iris]

Where can you not

Icy veins, wowhead

Method murlic.io, archon

[jagged pier]

please do not use the last 3

[ionic fern]

Raidbots.com

[jagged pier]

and there is no 'bis items'

[crystal iris]

I was running out of ideas

[jagged pier]

theres is only whats best for your char

and u find that out by simming

[plush path]

can i run 2 defensive trinkets

[ionic fern]

Yes.

[crystal iris]

Illégal

[ionic fern]

You can run whatever you want.

The question is, do you need to run 2 defensive trinkets tho.

[crystal iris]

😂

[plush path]

yes

im struggling way too much

[ionic fern]

There you go.

Now the next question is, why are you struggling?

[plush path]

thats a good question idk

[lament musk]

i run signet brand and oce but i dont feel like i need any def trinkets yet

[jagged pier]

im almost certain someone told u how to log the otherday

[ionic fern]

You are compensating for something you are doing wrong with double defensive trinkets.

[plush path]

yes

[jagged pier]

have u been?

[plush path]

yesn't

[ionic fern]

What's your chars name?

Maybe someone you ran with logged.

[plush path]

its Bogins

what lvl keys am i supposed to run with my gear?

[ionic fern]

What ever you feel comfortable with.

Your gear doesn't play.

[plush path]

yeah but i see other ppl at 513 run like +14

[ionic fern]

Nope, no logs.

[ionic fern]

Hense "your gear doesn't play".

[jagged pier]

yes because its abotu comfort

[ionic fern]

Your class and dungeon knowledge carries way harder than your gear.

[radiant mortar]

like ulda first pull is big for me, or on high fort AA first room

[crystal iris]

I mean even with logs it’s usually the same 2 big mistakes for new prot players right?

[potent anvil]

I did 13-14s when I was like 500 ilvl

[crystal iris]

Ulduman first ya, AA first pull should be easy though

Your health bar should barely move

[ionic fern]

Uldaman can potentially get spicy, but just be in dstance and don't get slapped in the back while gathering.

[crystal iris]

Usually we look at logs then say 1. More SS on Cd and 2. Wasted rage means press more IP

And the occasional “use défensives way more”

Press demo on cd sort of thing

Actually I have a question about rotation, when do I press execute on ST? Like do SS and TC need to be on CD or can I replace TC with it if I have enough rage

[plush path]

do u mean more shield slam or shield block

[crystal iris]

Slam

But you should also have near 100% uptime on block if you look at auras in details

Mine usually around 93-95 which is probably just due to gathering pulls and end of pulls if I let it drop

Look at wowhead rotation. Slam is top prio ahead of thunder clap

[plush path]

ill keep that in mind

also does this increase the heal done by fueled by violence?

[crystal iris]

Not sure, but it won’t help you

[boreal haven]

Is there a way to check this in Details or something ?

[jagged pier]

no

yah need logs

[boreal haven]

Ah okay.

[radiant mortar]

just start logging man, two people told you how

[radiant mortar]

Ok so its mostly skill issue on my sie, gotcha

[ionic fern]

Just experience and comfortability. Sometimes you can pop SW while grouping to help mitigate any damage since your rage gen isn't that good due to running around,but on that pull you might need SW for the bleeds.

[vernal storm]

i will ironbark u and keep u safe dw 💚

[oblique garnet]

0 rage wasted

Easily doable

[radiant mortar]

[crystal iris]

Do you guys usually use treemouths while gathering or SW and then treemouth later?

[jagged pier]

i use nither

[crystal iris]

I find I still get smacked sometimes while gathering with treemouth up

Especially first pull of nelth

[crystal iris]

Ya ya well we can’t all run max DPS

[jagged pier]

i mean u literally ravager a pack

throw another leap to a 3rd if needs be

first pull of nethls your out of range of the first 2 mobs for ages

and the second pack doesnt hit that hard u can also just leap to the pack behind them etc

i dont run max dps at all btw

[solemn wolf]

Do we count running Plates/Rageheart as running defensive trinkets :D?

[blazing condor]

i would

plates could be argued its a more well-rounded trink

you wouldnt run rageheart for dps though

[pallid quiver]

I usually ravager the last pack/where I'll end up standing as a queue to dps of "DPS is fine here"

Whether they follow that signal is a different question

It's like when a Pala or DK sets up Cons/DND and then stands in it

They shouldn't really move after, so they're good to actually get aggro

[lusty grotto]

i tried this with him already earlier this week, he doesnt want to install the WCL uploader (and nobody has uploaded his logs)

cant help him if no logs honestly

[ionic fern]

Ah, okay.

So a Yogi situation.

[lusty grotto]

yeah he doesnt trust outside programs

apparently

[ionic fern]

[strong forum]

3rd party programs such as addons or warcraft logs are BANNED and only harm the game!

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

(ignore the fact that blizzard literally uses those aswell)

((and by extension also owns them and their rights))

[jagged pier]

game shouldnt be so complicated that u need them

[strong forum]

Bro I wish every game had logs and addons

You could properly craft builds and upgrade your character

Without having to feelycraft

No guessing, no feeling

actual facts

God it would be so good

[lusty grotto]

cant really help out if someone is unreasonably paranoid about a website and/or the software it uses for millions of warcraft players

thats a hard wall

[prime rivet]

for keys, is it worth using a 441 stonescales over a damage trinket? i don't have an S4 scales or S3 scales

[lusty grotto]

most cases, no

try the BSV build instead

in pins

[strong forum]

ive done up to 16s so far without cheat death

and the only logical reason i would have to use cheat death is for shit youre scared of

not because you need it

but because youre scared doign X pull

[weary saddle]

isn't BSV bugged still

[lusty grotto]

no

change got pushed last week

[weary saddle]

ooohhh

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/news/us/hotfixes-may-30-2024-24066687 may 29th

[strong forum]

wrong discord

[lusty grotto]

this is warrior discord

[strong forum]

[lusty tiger]

Insane they took the entire expansion to fix it

[crystal iris]

You ravager a pack just to pull it? Seems like a waste of ravager if the pack runs to you

[jagged pier]

Okay but your going literally into anoher pack

And what you gunna do with that rage press ip

If anything its loosing damage because its hitting less mobs

🤷

[crystal iris]

I guess

I usually pull things into a pack that has ravager on it

Hate seeing a ravager out by itself but I guess you make a good point about the rage

[crystal iris]

Is BSV better now after the change?

Shield charge is nice though, you can still get 100% block uptime without it though right? even if you don’t take bolster

Bolster seems like way overkill

I’m considering BsV + offensive trinket instead of shield charge + cheat from s3

[strong forum]

you can not get 100% block without champions bulwark or bolster

[jagged pier]

Its no better than it was it just works correctly

And no u cant

U need 3 sheild block talents to get the uptime

[strong forum]

is 2* now

and without shield charge, youd only have 1

[lusty grotto]

read the pin

[jagged pier]

Eh been a long time 2 then

[strong forum]

since s3

ye

[violet ginkgo]

why do you want to rely on BSV again?

[torn gulch]

i get invited in an AV i get summoned then leader tells me they need to take another tank
and leaves me in front of AV like leaving a hooker on a chilly night at the edge of the city

🤣

[violet ginkgo]

you mean they need to take VDH?

[torn gulch]

why bother inviting me then...

[violet ginkgo]

because.... people always think "Who knows." I mean take a look when you got 1 tank or 1 healer with 3 dps, and there is still dps applying despite they are not healer/tank.

[strong forum]

lemme try tanking dummy

and see bsv proc

see ya in 40m inutes

[lusty grotto]

should have told him to take dn

[south zealot]

you can skip them with evoker sleepwalk

[violet ginkgo]

but we don't always have evoker choco.

[south zealot]

you should

class is disgusting

[violet ginkgo]

I mean if that is the case then technically we should VDH for tank but here we are enjoying Prot Warrior.

[strong forum]

okay looks like BSV is proccing like normal

and the healing taken increase is funny

last stand healed me for 1.7million

and impending victory for 1.1mil

[kind urchin]

I just don't like playing vengeance. All the other tanks are fine. Just the way vengeance plays feels miserable to me.

[crystal iris]

So you can’t droop shield charge without bolster or you’d have downtime from what I’m reading

[strong forum]

You already have tiny downtime with SC

[lusty grotto]

that build is literally training wheels

it says so in the title

[pallid quiver]

something something bdk healing

[lusty grotto]

stop looking too much into it

[strong forum]

So dropping it entirely will just make for a miserable experience

[crystal iris]

Well on keys where I’m afraid of dying in an embarassing way, I’ll run my s3 cheat death. So I gimp my damage with big loss of main stat. Wondering if BSV with an offensive trinket is more damage than shield charge build with my cheat death. I’ll sim it ig

[crystal iris]

Really? I must not notice it in keys

[lusty grotto]

maybe not if youre running HR

but you certainly do with ITF

obviously gaps are larger with less haste

[strong forum]

You won't notice in short pulls, but on bosses or prolonged fights you will have short downtime

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

You need 67% permanent haste to get 100% uptime with SC

[crystal iris]

So BSV still bad?

[lusty grotto]

its usable

[crystal iris]

What’s the verdict

[strong forum]

I can't quantify it as good or bad

If you need it it's good, if you don't need it it's bad

[kind urchin]

There's always the rng aspect of it where you've just been lucky this whole time with not taking full hits during down time.

[lusty grotto]

it runs into the same league as a cheat trinket

[strong forum]

It's slightly better and slightly worse, better cus way shorter CD, worse cuz not an actual cheat

[kind urchin]

Always count on rng going against you.

[strong forum]

Also worse cuz it doesn't show it's CD

You need a weakaura to track it's CD

[lusty grotto]

i tested it yesterday nome, i had a log

forgot to mention it

[strong forum]

I just sat at the dummy for 20mi n

[lusty grotto]

so you didnt have to lol

well i got an AV

[strong forum]

Then afkd

Until it procced

[crystal iris]

You ran the full easy build?

[lusty grotto]

no

i ran my own scuffed build

[crystal iris]

What did you drop for it then

[lusty grotto]

which im not gonna recommend to anyone

not saying

[crystal iris]

Haha ok nvm

[strong forum]

Probably no indom

[south zealot]

based

[lusty grotto]

LOL

its worse than that

its a bad build and shouldnt be used

[strong forum]

agreed

[kind urchin]

It was for science so it's all good.

[pallid quiver]

indom doesn't exist, anyway, according to the masses

[lusty grotto]

i understand that reference luerce

was it yesterday?

[pallid quiver]

I think that was one of them

but i have that convo a lot

[lusty grotto]

the "does having no self-sustain hurt us?" guy

kinda felt like a one-guy

literally said that and corrected luerce and never said anything again

[pallid quiver]

corrected me on what now? i think i was still like half asleep; i only remember him saying IV had a 30s CD when I brought that up and Indom

as if something having a cd makes it suddenly not a tool to sustain yourself

the same logic just adjusted with variables makes it so death strike isn't a self-sustain tool because it's limited by runic power and isn't always available

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8372HgqK4AhwCNFr#fight=7&type=resources&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24229365819.0.0.Warrior%24false%24386397&source=3 @strong forum

[pallid quiver]

at any rate It's really hard to get people to understand how much Indom does

[lusty grotto]

also this one doesnt count cause it was death skipping lmao

[south zealot]

bro ur talents

gg

[lusty grotto]

LMAOOOO

badge build

absolutely horrendous

i jsut made a quick swap LMAOO

FUCK IT DO IT LIVE

this one though, feels like bugged BSV

the rest look good

[violet ginkgo]

I think.. Since we are the type of tank who is tanking smooth damage, not like Blood DK or DH who yoyo the HP and heal back, if we dropped below 30% really2 fast without healer can back it up then there must be something wrong with our defensive CD management. I guess rather than BSV or cheat death we can fix our management first.

Plus I think cheat death or BSV is for really2 high key in M+? That is if we can get picked over VDH.

[strong forum]

nah

it works like wotn now

and arcane cleave FUCKS

[lusty grotto]

lol yea

[strong forum]

so it activated BSV, cuz you woulda been dropped below 35%

and it mitigated that hit

[lusty grotto]

i dont think the last one was an arcane cleave, it was a dragon slap

[south zealot]

dude the issue is that i cannot find anything that tracks bsvs cd

[strong forum]

https://wago.io/wEW4TdA6u

was just about to add this to pin and FAQ

[toxic pewter]

yah that what I use

[violet ginkgo]

nome come in rescue

[mellow bridge]

bsv actually usable now?

[lusty grotto]

its not unusable

if that answers that question lol

[strong forum]

it works now

[jagged pier]

well its usable and not

if u are doing content were it is useful i.e u are gunna use it and plan around using it

then its great

[toxic pewter]

only took 2 years

[jagged pier]

if u arent

then its not usable

[strong forum]

it gives you 8seconds of immortality + full recovery

on a 3min cD

so that part is nice

i will certainly fiddle around with it a bit

[lusty grotto]

im still fucking laughing at the "bro your talents"

[jagged pier]

i dont know in content for 99% of players your gunna proc it tho

[south zealot]

shield charge no bulwark is so omega fried lmao

[strong forum]

ill update my WA package for it

[jagged pier]

or at least proc is at a useful time

[lusty grotto]

LMAOO choco

[jagged pier]

yer but u dont do that

u run the bsv build

if u take it

[south zealot]

i know thatsjust what nim had in that key

[jagged pier]

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[jagged pier]

FUCKING

[lusty grotto]

honestly though i just wanted something fast

LOL

[jagged pier]

making SC the most useless button

[pallid quiver]

To be fair, it'd proc more for some of those mid-tier players because they make mistakes that make them asplode more often, making it technically a useful time.

but they could also just play better

[jagged pier]

or just an extra stop

[strong forum]

k WA pack updated

[lusty grotto]

LMAOOOO

[jagged pier]

yer it will proc but by then the damage has already passed

[lusty grotto]

i wasnt thinking i promise you jakey

[jagged pier]

like they would press SW when that happens if not running BSV

[pallid quiver]

It works retroactively, so it's an EHP increase

[jagged pier]

so they will never learn to premtive SW

[jagged pier]

i know how it works

[pallid quiver]

it's not great for that purpose, but it'd save some people playing bad

[jagged pier]

which is why its not always the best thing to play

like the guy who refused to log im pretty sure is running the bsv build and still struggling

🤷

[crystal iris]

Hâte all of this

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, my point is that it will be of use to them, but it won't actually be the best option and hurts them otherwise, so it can be a trap talent point if you're trying to learn

That's my biggest concern with it in that they will be able to look at it technically saving their life, making them not look into if there was something else to be done

[toxic pewter]

they should just make shield specialization 1 talent point lol

[jagged pier]

thats how ppl have always looked at it

ppl think its a cheat death