wouldve been 24 more points
#protection
south zealot
radiant mortar
will try my 13 Ulda later to see if Im good enough now, an tips
south zealot
dont die
radiant mortar
noted
orchid gulch
Kite the basilisks and rotate stuns on the big snake gits
Aside of that it's a fairly standard dungeon until the end boss and that's not directly in your control
radiant mortar
man how i love good player saying shit like that
lusty grotto
hoi is only hard for healers cause of 3rd boss (and gauntlet mini boss on fort)
nothing there really hurts if you SR bolts, spell block them, and run away from dragon breaths
everything is dodgeable
radiant mortar
I die a lot to last boss, third boss is omega cancer with the frogs
people not stoping casts/ccing the orbs at the start...
orchid gulch
Probably standing in swirlies, I'd assume
I have a feeling they're slightly larger than they appear and can be hard to see at times
jagged pier
second boss has frogs no?
orchid gulch
Think so, yes
jagged pier
And that is easy ppl just need to run throught the frod
Not away
3rd boss u just sr frost shock ggs
radiant mortar
second boss has frogs no?
oh true
jagged pier
4th boss u sr deluge gg
radiant mortar
the frog boss sucks!
3 boss is chill as tank
the knockback still gets me, I dont know who thought that this is a fun mechanic
where he knocks back the tank to just melee a dps
radiant mortar
I learnd that yesterday from a friend
didnt know beforhand
just didnt play hoi :D
jagged pier
well u can see where the swirlies are before the knockkback
just dont be knocked into one
radiant mortar
true dont forget Im also just not a good player :D
blazing condor
the fact that you at least sit in a class-discord and ask questions make you better than most 
jagged pier
well time will tell but u cant always use it as a crutch and if u refuse to take the advice we give here, u may find we get more frustrated over time
unkempt hazel
rigid yew
my route, basically just chain as much as you can live together. 1,2,3 areas trash basically has 1 or 0 mechanics. 4,5 quite a bit slower due to quite a few wipey / one shot mechanics. last area people tend to skip but its VERY effecient if you can survive it. I run 10-13s so have no clue if it's optimal for super high keys
blazing condor
gonna be hard to gather all of those
lusty grotto
yeah idk about that
blazing condor
Also on pull 4 what's gonna end up happening is that the ads running after you are probably gonna social aggro the mobs down the stairs near the boss, cus they can't jump off ledges
lusty grotto
#protection message mine good
rigid yew
I don't route with pulls because it's very dependent on how tanky a person is.
This dungeon is very chainy though. Area 1 I usually do in 3 pulls, area 2 is basically one long chain as some things die off, area 3 is one big pull depending on how the group is. area 4 is 4 pulls, area 5 is 2-3 pulls
radiant mortar
well time will tell but u cant always use it as a crutch and if u refuse to take...
Oh Im taking those tips seriously. had problems on second boss nelth got some tips after that it was easy af. Just slow in learning because I dont play much anymore and am new to tank since s1
rigid yew
lusts are always the same, either first pull or first boss, then on cd. tyran save for bosses, fort use on trash or bosses as you feel the need
lusty grotto
theres no either
you lust first pull
you never lust 1st boss
if you do, youre gonna run into problems for chargath
rigid yew
you dont need lust for char on fort
lusty grotto
sorry, your route is whack, pulls are important
then youre not doing high enough keys
on fort youre not gonna lust 1st pull??
i cant even
rigid yew
its all relative, anyways, it all works fine for me
lusty grotto
yeah except you cant share that route with your group cause they wont understand it
cant plan dps cds with it etc
radiant mortar
at what level of key does that start to be important? 15?
lusty grotto
also it if works for you, why share it here
what are you gonna lust around chargath
if not chargath
everything is chained
i mean you can blow it on a chain, but will it have full lust uptime?
echo egret
I always go Chargath first in pugs, because that's the key-killer boss for pugs.
lusty grotto
that'll kill your lust timings
rigid yew
well at the least I gave you a brain aneurysm
lusty grotto
glad to know we got a doctor in medicine here
rigid yew
I am a learned doctor
lusty grotto
on that note, i got a weird thing on my back, doesnt itch though, could it be the mesh chair?
rigid yew
weird thing is most probably a tumor
violet ginkgo
I see, I'll take this as reference then
lusty grotto
sounds about right
radiant mortar
on that note, i got a weird thing on my back, doesnt itch though, could it be th...
yes
have that too
do you have cats that try to climb it too?
lusty grotto
nah im a dog person
blazing condor
same
lusty grotto
rigid yew
RIP Doge 😦
radiant mortar
and head
blazing condor
RIP Doge 😦
🕯️
radiant mortar
no more back pain
lusty grotto
as long as it aint my private parts im good
rigid yew
lost the mythic dreadplates roll to a vengence, he offered 300k to trade
blazing condor
live bullion reaction:
i aint paying 300k for something i will eventually get for free in a week or so
lusty grotto
yeah thats a hard pass
rigid yew
I didn't even play S3 for the last 3 months so I think I'm good for S4 xD
just hope TWW is good
torn gulch
you have to be insane to pay any gold on items this season with bullions being a thing
blazing condor
or insanely rich
violet ginkgo
you have to be insane to pay any gold on items this season with bullions being a...
I think they pay for the armor piece since it's not covered by bullion but.. what happened?
violet ginkgo
well he doesn't have patients to buy with bullion perhaps because he got other things to buy
jagged pier
it also frees a bullion if u get it from loot
eager phoenix
how much is there to buy? 2 rings, weapons and a trinket. even if you missed the happy meal quest the other week. there is time to buy mogs 🙂
thin glade
Multi spec gamers
violet ginkgo
how much is there to buy? 2 rings, weapons and a trinket. even if you missed the...
Let's see uh... this is at least the list for me.
- Upgrading Legend
- Gholak
- Asscandy
- Fire damage ring
- Fire shield ring
- 4 trinkets at least (Aug/Brand, and Anvil/Dreadplates)
- Nymue's Shield.
violet ginkgo
I think ppl recommend the nymue here? Also I am not worried about mog, I just got the good mog which I will use for a long time.
torn gulch
I only liked two shield transmogs in this game for my warrior: bulwark of azzinoth and the hidden appearance of our artifact shield
violet ginkgo
I just got that hidden appearance 13 hours ago XD
I also got that royal crest
been using royal crest for a while but that hidden appearance is really smokin'
I was like "Let me just give it a check before I go sleep." then when I enter the emote and roar happen, oh thank god, the hunt is over.
torn gulch
I'm a full set andy
violet ginkgo
You know after I got that hidden appearance mog, the shield is really good but how can they design the weapon to be... that bad? at least IMO.
violet ginkgo
Oh yeah of course but still... what were they thinking at that time?
giving one of the best shield appearance in the game but at the same time package it with bad looking weapon
torn gulch
in this game you have duds and awesome designs
it happens
this xpac and next xpac you have the case of tier sets looking like absolute shit and open world sets looking incredible
people will cream on those arathi sets next xpac
especially the plate and cloth ones
violet ginkgo
I think the onyx crucible dragon based armor warrior now is not bad at least for my taste it's nice.
radiant mortar
warrior hadnt had a good set in a long time
violet ginkgo
warrior hadnt had a good set in a long time
Recommend me a raid tier set from previous expac maybe so I can google it?
radiant mortar
radiant mortar
Recommend me a raid tier set from previous expac maybe so I can google it?
the hidden appearence shield looks great with t13
lusty grotto
yeah
depends on the day
but i schedule around my work meetings
cute dorfs
dont you know old people need less sleep? 🙂
strong forum
Don't you know sleep people need less old?
lusty grotto
trueee
radiant mortar
dont you know old people need less sleep? 🙂
am old need less sleep but not 5 hours yet
lusty grotto
i catch up on sleep on weekends usually
waxen cradle
lmao just noticed, was away going to store for some things
did indeed find me
needed breakfast food
yeah I also catch up on sleep on my weekends off
have 3 days usually so not too bad
radiant mortar
8 hours all week long but latest I wake up without alarm is 8:30am
waxen cradle
yeah I average 6 to 7 or so, get woken up by random things, wife may be doing things and up before me, but I am good if I get that
radiant mortar
fricking cat wants attention at around 4-5 am
waxen cradle
^^^^
radiant mortar
suddenly has the urge to cuddle...
waxen cradle
or fed
waxen cradle
ours will want fed or will be talking to birds she sees outside of windows, too damn cute to be mad at her
radiant mortar
like we go to bed at 10pm and if we dont go to bed at that time the cats go crazy
radiant mortar
ours will want fed or will be talking to birds she sees outside of windows, too ...
the chirping is the best
waxen cradle
exactly
waxen cradle
nice they seem to be aware they rule the home like ours does
radiant mortar
they do
waxen cradle
yeah ours does that to me, and I go to lay down and get a look from her as if to say what this is my spot
radiant mortar
oh i know that look to well
waxen cradle
our cat she doesn't move she just rolls over and yawns and get in another comfy spot lol
radiant mortar
the annoyed meow while walking away is funny too
waxen cradle
yeah lmao
radiant mortar
mine walks away but lets me know that she doesnt like it and will remember
waxen cradle
^^^^^
I do love a cats personality though, how they only want you around when they choose it
radiant mortar
Agree, I think to few people know/get that cats have vastly dif personalities
waxen cradle
yep exactly
radiant mortar
the right one loves to be near you and involved
the white one is fine with grazing you with her presence
unless its cuddle time
than she loves getting her belly rubs and can get enough
till its time to be distant again xD
radiant mortar
Agree, I think to few people know/get that cats have vastly dif personalities
the reason while people that dont "like" cats are also mostly cat magnets
waxen cradle
yeah our girl she loves to play, and wants to be around you until she gets bored and then she will find something else to do until play time again
our girl she also loves to run
luckily she has plenty of room and uses it
she also loves to talk to us
waxen cradle
lmao
radiant mortar
you come home and she will start talking to you about her day
tepid nest
Do we know if the changes to BSV threshold hits that was in TWW alpha have made it to live yet?
radiant mortar
sees a bird starts talking, food is empty starts talking, food is full starts talking etc
lusty grotto
not yet
waxen cradle
I do enjoy it though I really do, how much they want us involved in what they are doing or have been doing
radiant mortar
yeah Im glad I have vocal cats but not at night pls
tell me next morning how many birds you saw
waxen cradle
lmao agreed
Yeah that is by far one of my favorite things about cats we are always on there schedule
Yeah my older brother has a cat that will only drink bottled water and when its thirsty it will meow the words wa wa
Will drink it from the bottle
waxen cradle
lol nice
waxen cradle
that would be awesome
waxen cradle
to see myself and my wifes cat do that I would flip if I saw our cat do a beg
waxen cradle
lmao
our cat has just decided its time to be petted, she is beside me in my wifes computer chair
radiant mortar
placid magnet
is Elementium Pocket Anvil easier to keep up than Cataclysmic Signet Brand in M+ ?
placid magnet
like if i macro'd it on a spell?
lusty grotto
huh
if you macro it, you will use it when you least need it
when using the combo'd ability
placid magnet
sorry, i didn't understand what you said then 😄
lusty grotto
its on use, so you can use it and extend the timer
but if you macro it to something, you probably wont have the use available
because it'll just spam it
anvil also drops all 5 stacks instead of dropping slowly like signet
so...
theres pros and cons
placid magnet
i probably didn't understand how the trinket works lol
The on-use effect increase by 33% the dmg done by the passive, 5 times max right ?
placid magnet
ok
lusty grotto
signet drops 1 stack by 1 stack out of combat
anvil drops everything
but its on-use so you can extend it for some leeway
placid magnet
Okk go it
lusty grotto
anvil is also slightly better dps
placid magnet
Also i wish i never bought Rageheart with bullions 😄
placid magnet
I did
placid magnet
Gholak > Rageheart (had no trinkets by that time) > Eranog ring
placid magnet
yup! 😛
undone beacon
I'm rocking an all-totem and a dreadplate, I guess its finally time to get an anvil. I do love my all-totem though
Two weeks of seeing people post meters with crazy anvil numbers
lusty grotto
😱
jagged pier
undone beacon
Its that or buy an awakened dreadplate 🤔
I'll buy a Voice of the Silent Star and then catalyze it for a MASSIVE CLOAK
strong forum
except
jagged pier
cant
strong forum
that you cant
jagged pier
has to be from vault or boss
undone beacon
My day, ruined
strong forum
better than buying a useless cloak
plush tendon
I bought All-Totem
now deciding between Anvil or Dreadplate
what could be more fun for weekly 10s
plush tendon
undone beacon
I bought Gholak -> Eranog Ring -> Broodkeeper Ring
Since I had good luck with trinkets
strong forum
i bought leggo -> anvil -> eranog ring
undone beacon
Oh shit leggo, I might pick that up for offspec now
Actually do damage in keys again
undone beacon
ill buy broodkeeper ring or gholak
I've enjoyed the broodkeeper ring, it's had decent uptime in my keys for a free effect
undone beacon
I'm kinda hoping my vault is a flop so I can take sockets for my fire rings
lusty grotto
i have it on all 3 of my characters lol
strong forum
i bought double sockets on all my chars this week
lusty grotto
or active characters
lusty grotto
undone beacon
I couldnt pass up the myth helm with a free socket this past week
undone beacon
Touche
strong forum
dont need to open as DPS anymore for trinkets
since i got anvil grief dreadplate and puzzlebox
so im set
undone beacon
this guy trinkets
I don't have a grieftorch or an anvil but I'm happy enough with what I have
undone beacon
alltotem, dreadplate, splinter, blazehoof, branch
Fair
Week 1 somebody gave me 1 mil gold for a heroic tempostone off raz
Best deal I've ever gotten
undone beacon
He asked how much and I said 1 mil as a joke because I wanted my tier but
They ponied up
cerulean tusk
Any EU boyos?
dark barn
Are you guys ready to two more keybinds? Demolish and Fear removal We have a lot already
strong forum
forever evolving
jagged pier
or devastate bind
lusty grotto
i never replaced my ber rage bind either
jagged pier
so they can just go there
dark barn
Always love berserker rage
toxic pewter
mountain thane 
colossus 
undone beacon
I just wanna go zap zap 😠
violet ginkgo
Week 1 somebody gave me 1 mil gold for a heroic tempostone off raz
crazy.... some people has just too much money for sure..
jagged pier
if u actually play the game money isnt hard to get
like if u have alts theres like 5k a day in wqs alone
each
char
i made a tone in bfa by doing the emisarry daily when it was gold
undone beacon
Its more the fact someone was willing to pay that much in a season where you could have 4-set so easily but
jagged pier
i had every class in the game at max
dark barn
Bloodrage next addition in future patchs? Lol
tribal wharf
isnt blood rage just like ignore pain or something
tribal wharf
spend rage for basically healing
lusty grotto
bloodrage removed some hp and gave you rage
lusty grotto
its not gonna show up
tribal wharf
still its a bad reason because of what i just said regardless how good the spell is
undone beacon
reduce keybinds, macro all your defensives together
toxic pewter
apparently most people enjoy having a lot of buttons I think
undone beacon
I think people see a lot of buttons and get intimidated thinking they have to hit every button all the time
tribal wharf
i dunno, mario and nes games are 2 buttons and start select direction pad and people manage to fuck that up all the time
toxic pewter
Nah, everytime I am like 'lol xyz spec has too much buttonbloat' people are like no just get better noob
undone beacon
i mean there not wrong. noob.
toxic pewter
thanks for making my point
left basalt
anyone have a simple WA for treemouth trinket?
tribal wharf
i prefer more methodical brain dead hack and slash kind of game play
undone beacon
if you want brain dead go play BM
tribal wharf
boss and enemies dont do a million things take minutes to kill
left basalt
which he has linked time and time again
didn't see it in the pins?
tribal wharf
BM isnt brain dead but its sure easy,
lusty grotto
but he has linked it here a bunch of times
tribal wharf
rogue is probably more brain dead, stand behind enemy mash SS/BS probably
undone beacon
idk I can play BM with one hand blindfolded lmfao
undone beacon
rogue is probably more brain dead, stand behind enemy mash SS/BS probably
...what
cooked take
tribal wharf
source i was a rogue from mid vanilla till panda main
i was shit but still
combat rogue was stand at boss and hit SS until cows come home
lusty grotto
uhh no, you needed to press SnD
undone beacon
Outlaw rogues have some of the highest APM and stupidest amount of things to maintain in the game haha
lusty grotto
pash are you new
tribal wharf
in icc it was a whole lot of spamming mutilate and ss
undone beacon
Is there some server lore I dont know
tribal wharf
well, outlaw was when i started declining interest in rogue
and picked up hunter priest warrior
undone beacon
youre talking to yogi
this name means nothing to me
tribal wharf
and now we are here
undone beacon
aw man am i trolling myself
tribal wharf
SND? you mean more posion proc buff i have to keep up annoyingly?
lusty grotto
if you didnt press SND you were a bad combat rogue in vanilla
period
slice
and
dice
tribal wharf
also probably rupture in there and shiv
i mean, thats about all the buttons i had for rogue though
lusty grotto
snd = slice and dice
dusky canopy
Yogi lmao
dusky canopy
Rogue is like rocket science
lusty grotto
bro if you dont know who yogi is, youre super new
tribal wharf
lol, rogue is hit AR and mash 11111111111111111111 (ss)
undone beacon
I just lurk here and post when I dont have meetings during the workday lmfao
lusty grotto
lol, rogue is hit AR and mash 11111111111111111111 (ss)
no
i played vanilla rogue,
also
classic rogue
also since mid vanilla
you werent playing if you only hit 1
you at least had to keep slice and dice up
dusky canopy
Rogue doesn’t even exist warrior is the only class
tribal wharf
fan of knives has always been bad imo unless it was that 1 time it was affected by gravity and didnt despawn so it fell like 100 feet and made cool animation/soundwhen you fell
even thought it was awesome in wc3
lusty grotto
fan of knives didnt exist in vanilla
hazy bronze
Hardest class = one I play
Braindead class = every other one
tribal wharf
warden say otherwise night elfs
tribal wharf
wc3 cannon to wow
lusty grotto
lmaooo
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
pop that lifestorm bro
tribal wharf
im on the mission where you have to stop grom
dusky canopy
I want to ngl but I’m so behind
Haven’t even stepped into a normal raid yet
Still clearing zones
2 to go
Think I’m like 600-1k of each stat on the cloak
lusty grotto
you have more than enough time
dusky canopy
Ye
tribal wharf
priest is not an easy class to play except for when it is
unless you are really good at it
tribal wharf
sometimes holy priest in raid just does giga healing
i cannot for the life of me do shaman priest dragon monk dk
dps dk this is, bdk sort of
frosty mango
priest is not an easy class to play except for when it is
(As a long time priest player who has most of the CE achieves on priest) it’s not terribly hard but it has traditionally required you to be reactive
This iteration of it right now is probably as easy as it has been in a long time
Throne of thunder spriest was gigabrain with unerring vision and og s2m was also pretty nuanced
People who struggle with dynamic gameplay usually struggle with priest
violet ginkgo
for NA I think the server is already up, vault time guys.
fallow fern
Is anyone running filial duty and is the shield worth it? It's simming a -3k dps at 528 for me.. -4k if I crafted a new titanic signet..
unborn wagon
Is leech worth 6 ilevels?
trail ocean
well u can see where the swirlies are before the knockkback
Helps too if you can convince people to stack or in a line to help keep them grouped too right? At least it's helped in some of my keys to negate any of the knockback issues
fluid bone
the wowhead guide recommends taking, among others: seal of filial duty (Dealing Fire damage has a chance to invigorate you, absorbing 262264 damage for 6 seconds.) what fire damage are prot wars dealing?
undone beacon
the wowhead guide recommends taking, among others: seal of filial duty (Dealing ...
Gholak, Helm Enchant, Shadowflame patch, Eranog ring
undone beacon
Is anyone running filial duty and is the shield worth it? It's simming a -3k dps...
It's a free shield on a ring that will be higher ilvl than every other ring you can get
It has decent uptime but its main draw is ilvl and rarity
violet ginkgo
also I think the shield will be nice always if pushing higher and higher keys
empty sparrow
Eranog ring hero w/ avoidance vs myth track no avoidance
fallow fern
It's a free shield on a ring that will be higher ilvl than every other ring you ...
A 525 titanic signet with more optimal stats Sims with 4k more dps than the 528 filial.. but I'm guessing the idea is that the shield proc will be an economical trade off? 🤔
vestal moat
are servers up yet
fallow fern
..oh shit, can filial actually go up to 535?
lusty grotto
Eranog ring hero w/ avoidance vs myth track no avoidance
avoidance is worth absolutely nothing on tanks
lusty grotto
..oh shit, can filial actually go up to 535?
yes last bosses rare items have a bump in ilvl
fallow fern
Hmm
south zealot
dude i was super distracted
but i heatd on a stream ppl saying
avoidance is better for some tanks than leech
undone beacon
A 525 titanic signet with more optimal stats Sims with 4k more dps than the 528 ...
Yeah filial goes up to 535, more stam and stats
lusty grotto
avoidance is better for some tanks than leech
nah
dusky canopy
A 525 titanic signet with more optimal stats Sims with 4k more dps than the 528 ...
You would need to shift your stats around in other areas to see brood ring as a dps increase, it’s only simming less with your specific gear
You can play around with Gear compare to figure out exactly what you would need to do just takes some time
fallow fern
Is there an internal CD on the shield proc?
lusty grotto
you can see those details on wowhead
fallow fern
I was trying to find that.. didn't see it tho.. I'll keep looking
fallow fern
Sweet, thx
south zealot
with socky
dusky canopy
Oh yeah that’s big
south zealot
bruh
near walrus
which would you choose for someone who does only M+ dreadplate or seal of filial duty
im really tempted by dreadplate
near walrus
sold 😛
ancient crystal
If I do only m+ and I have anvil and dreadplate + gholak/diurna ring is the play shield ring or maybe rage heart?
I want another defensive option for higher keys and I don’t have cheat death trink
left basalt
i think the play is farm treemouth trinket from BH
if you want another defensive on use
lusty grotto
i see my nickname doesnt work
south zealot
If I do only m+ and I have anvil and dreadplate + gholak/diurna ring is the play...
shield ring, farm bracky trinket if you want
south zealot
the highest ive seen rageheart do on logs is like 16k dps
ive seen anvil do 20k multiple times and it has mainstat
the shield rageheart gives you is basically nothing
cinder nova
How much do we care about seal of filial duty
south zealot
as compared to what
south zealot
filial will be one of your bis
cinder nova
But isn't that because it's just a free minor absorb and the rest of our BIS can easily cover the loss and then some
south zealot
yes and its highest ilvl
strong forum
its a free 400k shield
every so often
vs a ring with just slightly different stats and lower ilvl
hmmm
which is better
cinder nova
Yeah, this isn't me trying to reinvent the wheel, I'm trying to figure out how much value a mastery-heavy ring is going to be over taking a different upgrade in my vault at the expense of over 1K Haste.
I can guarantee I wont be trying to prog Mythic this season, so it's not like I'll be killing Diurna
Also, it's 400K?
Tooltip at 535 says 262K - does it scale with something?
lusty grotto
yes it scales with ilvl
cinder nova
Can you buy X/14 with your bullions, or just X/12
lusty grotto
14
left basalt
all the "rare" items are 14/14
south zealot
correct nimmy
left basalt
yeah you're right
cinder nova
What's the PPM on it anyway
lusty grotto
fallow fern
So if I have a Heroic gholak.. do I go for awakened gholak or shield ring first?
lusty grotto
cinder nova
IT SCALES WITH HASTE?
strong forum
Tooltip at 535 says 262K - does it scale with something?
tooltips on wowhead are not calculating vers into it
my shield on my shammy/evoker are close to 400k
cinder nova
Huh... how come the M+ BIS doesn't care about the VOTI rings?
cinder nova
I see. Do you have any key logs wearing RoFD? I'm kinda curious how much it eats over the course of a single run.
austere oar
How does eranog's ring work exactly ?
Is it based on the amount of fire damage dealt ? Or how many fire ticks can trigger it ?
Cuz my question is would a class with more fire damage baseline benefit more from it than another one that has less fire dmg ?
lusty grotto
how is that question prot warrior related?
frozen rose
does catalyst destroy sockets you add from the great vault reward? realizing it's a slight dps increase for me to use catalyst on something, but i just added a socket to the item
cinder nova
Shadowflame from embels, gholak, lots of our desired trinkets, and the helm enchant.
lusty grotto
does catalyst destroy sockets you add from the great vault reward? realizing it'...
no but it destroys its gems
frozen rose
ah ok thx, that's an easy replace
austere oar
how is that question prot warrior related?
Prot warrior equips ring ?
austere oar
I'm just curious as of how it works
lusty grotto
what does other classes have to do with anything
austere oar
Cuz every tanks equip it, but some do more fire DMG than others, but does that make a difference how much fire DMG you do compared to how many sources of fire DMG you have
For the ring
cinder nova
So, I just told you.
lusty grotto
Cuz every tanks equip it, but some do more fire DMG than others, but does that m...
it has a ppm
sources dont fucking matter
if its hard capped at 2 ppm
south zealot
We have enough sources of fire damage that we get the same samage from the ring
damage
lusty grotto
because its literally
cinder nova
It's more that understanding how it works isn't going to make it better or worse. The answer is we do enough fire damage to cap.
lusty grotto
10 lines above
radiant mortar
just wiped a ulda that was going well because dps wanted me to pull bigger and bigger and where perma spamming pings
pulled bigger melees got cleaved and left...
south zealot
sadge
burnt fractal
My dps in pugs always pulling and dying and leaving 🙂
cinder nova
Why are you so aggressive ?
Also this is the warrior discord, a full rage bar is a happy rage bar.
radiant mortar
sure I could go bigger from the start but I m still getting used to big pulls and living
austere oar
It's more that understanding how it works isn't going to make it better or worse...
Thanks for the answer, didn't know it was a 2 procs per minute so it only matters to have any source of fire damage to proc it
cinder nova
Yes, and we do lots and lots of it.
Like at least 10%+ of our damage if fire or a fire hybrid.
And that's kind of a lowball estimate.
radiant mortar
fire golem boss in ulda, the frontal does SR work on that or not I always got big dmg hits even with SR
cinder nova
Yes.
cinder nova
It stops the- yeah the debuff dot.
radiant mortar
ah ok
cinder nova
You can and should use it on every frontal.
radiant mortar
yeah I did
cinder nova
There are also overlaps where the circles and the frontal overlap too, so it's basically free DR.
radiant mortar
was just wondering if I miss anything
cinder nova
Nah, when you go up in key level (especially Tyr) you gotta be more deliberate about what defensives you hit for each frontal.
Because your group is going to be getting absolutely melted during certain mechanics and your job is to basically survive long enough for your healer to eventually get to you.
radiant mortar
what other big thing would I need to def on that boss?
cinder nova
There really isn't much aside from accidentally face-checking one of the floor mechs.
radiant mortar
just frontal and dodge the tornado right
cinder nova
Basically.
lusty grotto
on intermission you can pop SR and step into a tornado after the golem shields are down
and it'll reflect the dot to one of them
cinder nova
Oh, really? That's kinda cash.
lusty grotto
yes since foreverf
cinder nova
No, nope. Don't touch that.
The roaming AOE that the golems hurl around during P1.
Reflecting it during P1 is kinda useless since they can't be hurt.
lusty grotto
the tornadoes are the tornadoes
im not sure how you would confuse a huge line with them but
like S said, its not the line
vestal moat
oh yeah cool tech tks
urban bane
I think, depending on graphics settings, they may show as just moving fire circles on the ground.
lusty grotto
they were just tornadoes in s3
and if youre not seeing them you have the wrong graphic settings
urban bane
yeah they added the circle ground effect. i honestly never noticed the tornado
lusty grotto
in s3?
urban bane
in s4
teal swift
plush tendon
have you tried installing screens?
its not yet hot enough to warrant the AC on (and I aint paying trying to jack up the electric bill!) so its just windows for now until we get into the dog days of summer
cinder marsh
looking at raider.io and i cant help but notice that the top prot warr rn (Bobas) isnt using Gholak? can anyone tell me why is that?
lusty grotto
ask him
cinder marsh
should i even be using raiderio for insight on what gear i should be getting or just stick to icy and wowhead
pallid quiver
should i even be using raiderio for insight on what gear i should be getting or ...
Stick to the guides; a non-zero amount of raider.io people:
- Intentionally troll by logging out in meme setups
- Go straight by feelycraft with no basis on logic, but perform from play
- Are hard, straight carried by their team and wouldn't make it halfway there without them
that's not the listing format i wanted, discord
but it's close enough, i guess
south zealot
gholak just does the most damage
u can sim it if you want
theres no reason to not use jt
it
i wanna be carried by a team
lusty grotto
bobas got lucky with a myth strike twice, so he might just be leaving the buy for later
south zealot
yeah strike twice is the next best option so its probable thats the case
double wall though 
pallid quiver
game hates me; third week in a row my vault key is brack
urban bane
not a brackenjoyer?
mellow bridge
im not even 3.3k
and r19 prot warr in the world
this spec is so dead
Sadge
it's not even bad 😭
jagged pier
yer but its not vdh
chilly brook
it's not even bad 😭
If doesn’t do everything for the rest of the party therefor not good
It’s a bit late to do anything now
But idk how blizz let double sigil last an entire season and then said “eh hey you know what let’s let them keep it for the next season”
chilly brook
It is until it isn’t
chilly brook
double sigil is nice but who cares
It quite literally does all the mechanics for the party
south zealot
a good dh yeah
but good dhs dont exist
because reroll tanks are ethe worst retolls
rerolls
plush tendon
the double sigil with the nerfs is for sure less oppressive then it was, but its still a potent tool along with chains and misery
plus, we are living in a caster world so the chaos brand is a nice bump to group dps
chilly brook
DH isn’t exactly the most tanky either
south zealot
its really cope
chilly brook
It’s not though
south zealot
it is
chilly brook
Usually I’d be in the “utility is cope” camp
south zealot
chains is the best thing about dh and its not really close
silence is nice but like
most casts in the game dont matter
and/or can be stopped by literally anything
plush tendon
DH is tanky enough
I think Prot War shines defensively in a lot of these dungeons
but VDH is very capable of living through those same bosses and pulls
chilly brook
That’s great that they can be stopped by literally anything, but you can’t sit here and say a class that brings all the stops by virtue of existing on top of whatever every other class that you bring isn’t insanely valuable
plush tendon
I personally want to see a resurgence of melee dps in keys
im so sick of the caster meta
chilly brook
I mean you could play budget vengeance by being blood rn
Just don’t randomly die and you’re good
south zealot
obviously, theyre the best tank right now for a reason
chilly brook
chilly brook
That depends quite heavily on the metric
south zealot
close to even tankiness
basically even damage
they bring chaos brand so they do a little more damage in that sense
chilly brook
But prot is basically 2-3 key levels behind
south zealot
but also vdhs do less dmaage bc they dont know what theyre doing
south zealot
But prot is basically 2-3 key levels behind
certainly not true
chilly brook
It is
south zealot
definitely not
south zealot
LMAO
south zealot
just because prot warrior is 2-3 key levels behind when ppl are ONLY playing vdh
means literally nothing
chilly brook
It’s a tangible metric
south zealot
its a bad metric
chilly brook
As opposed to what better metric?
south zealot
ppl not playing something and it looking worse because people arent playing it
chilly brook
Sense is bad now?
grim pilot
but 3 key levels
south zealot
the rank 1 key pushers are playing the best specs always
grim pilot
do u know how much is that
south zealot
regardless of how the difference is
grim pilot
Sense is bad now?
so 1 person is the equivalent of whole community?
you're nitpicking
chilly brook
Not like it matters most people aren’t doing 20s and 21s
chilly brook
It only matters for the small number of people who are pushing
The only key above 18 by a warrior is AV at 19
And it’s not a matter of being capped, as the season goes on I’m sure the numbers will continue to go higher
south zealot
do i have to do 19s to prove this wrong
chilly brook
Go ahead
crystal mauve
It’s also annoying to not be able to pug because people only take VdH. It discouraged me from playing warrior tbh. Last season with 3500+ io i wasn’t invited in +24/25 while I was on my shit VDH >.<
chilly brook
Season 4 isn’t worth the effort of trying to push imo
south zealot
i agree but i already got told my opinion wasnt valuable unless i was top 10 ip
io
so i got top 10
chilly brook
I didn’t say your opinion wasn’t valuable
The only thing I’ve been saying is that normally I would be in your camp of utility is a meme until it isn’t
Vengeance is busted
lusty grotto
lol choco every single one of us has been told that
multiple times
i cant count the times with two hands
chilly brook
It’s not some crazy take, they are an obvious outlier in terms of mob control
chilly brook
Do I genuinely think that prot isn’t capable of doing the same level of keys? No
south zealot
i cant count the times with two hands
i cant count we are not the same
lusty grotto
true i only count with my hands
waxen cradle
what ya guys think buy Fillial Duty ring, Signet Brand, or Enduring Dreadplate trinket, my other trinkets are Treemouth H upgraded, H Anvil upgraded, Awakened Grieftorch upgraded. I have a Dreadplate but its champion ?
echo egret
can you remind me what to answer to "in battle stance, you're sucking healing away from the rest of the group"
south zealot
who told you that
prot warrior takes like 0 damage even in battle stance for the vast, vast majority of situations
plush tendon
what ya guys think buy Fillial Duty ring, Signet Brand, or Enduring Dreadplate t...
personal pref tbh; next week all raids are awakened so dreadplate can be farmed. Fillial duty is low prio and I dont think signet is better then Anvil+Guzzie combo
south zealot
youre not stealing any healing because youre not taking damage, and if you are you are healing it with leech and indomitable
echo egret
prot warrior takes like 0 damage even in battle stance for the vast, vast majori...
someone who died on vexamus, supposedly because the healer was healing me instead of her
south zealot
well to be fair you should throw it in defensive stance for the frontal
but also
u can heal yourself up after every tank buster so no reason they shouldve been healing you
vexamus just hits really really hard, even if your tank was immune to damage
chilly brook
someone who died on vexamus, supposedly because the healer was healing me instea...
lmao, lmfao even
Vexamus just sucks to heal, lots of group damage, but like healer shouldn't be dumping heals into you regardless of stance
echo egret
that's what I think as well
plush tendon
you can potentially desync it, but also just popping a big CDs there works to
idk, healers are weird. I feel like half of them dont want to play the game or dont like being challanged
ebon geyser
is the gear in the awaken raid on wed same ilvl as the one from aberrus in all difficulties?
plush tendon
All raids will be awakened next reset
For this current reset its just Amidrissil only
but next week all 3 are active
waxen cradle
@plush tendon Only reason I leaned towards the ring is one of my rings is champion so even though its low priority it seems the go to
waxen cradle
@plush tendon I can get a ring without too much trouble from M+
waxen cradle
Do we also take the Ouroboreal neck due to item level ?
lusty grotto
no
any myth neck > ouroboreal
also you dont take it cause youre gonna be haste starved
plush tendon
Ouroboreal caps are 528 like all other mythpieces
and with Durina and Duty rings, you need a haste neck to offeset that
ebon geyser
All raids will be awakened next reset
like i feel im so behiond
plush tendon
like i feel im so behiond
eh, bullions are catch up, you got spark gear, and plenty of aspect crests to get
literally can buy 5 pieces with bullion, have all the catalyst charges, a free tier pieces from 2k IO or 1 heroic full clear
getting a toon up in running literally just requires you to play the game
ebon geyser
what does 1 full heroic do?
plush tendon
gives a free tier piece
either 2k IO or AoTC in any of the raids
plus the Wyrm crests are nice
ebon geyser
some are needing me to get 495 to join group
waxen cradle
yeah is why I cant decide between, Rageheart trinket, Dread, or Signet Brand mainly
lusty grotto
..
waxen cradle
thinking heavily Dread trink
waxen cradle
true
plush tendon
Signet is meh imo
lusty grotto
rageheart is not alright as a bullion buy
plush tendon
but you'll have plenty of bullions; take the thing you want
plush tendon
Rageheart isnt terrible... personally rather have Dplate or just use a splinter if I want a shield
south zealot
it does less damage than actual damage trinkets
plush tendon
but its not a bad trinket
south zealot
and doesnt have mainstat
and its shield just breaks immediately compared to a partial absorb
plush tendon
for my warrior Im using Dplate and All-totem
but hes just doing like 10s 11s
fun alt keys and what not
if I was gonna push IO, it would be on my VDH who is geared out of her mind
waxen cradle
yeah is why I am leaning towards Dread trink because of having a upgraded H Splinter trinket
south zealot
dreadplate is so good
waxen cradle
if I need a absorb that one more than does the trick
waxen cradle
yeah dread is awesome mine is just champion for this week anyway 🙂
waxen cradle
I dont normally
lusty grotto
there are better damage trinkets
plush tendon
for sure, there are better damage trinkets and there are better defense trinkets
lusty grotto
and dreadplates exists
south zealot
Splinter is kind of useless unless you are pushing big IO
the shield is fucking massive lol
lusty grotto
so does dreadplates
lusty grotto
whew
south zealot
rageheart still does some damage
yeah but no mainstat so the damage it does is just worse than it looks
lusty grotto
my vdh got astro fucked on vault
plush tendon
I only need a myth track belt
south zealot
its definitely not a bad trinket theres just like 5 that outclass it
plush tendon
and then mine is bis
granted I still only have a 489 cheat... but part of me just wants to drop cheat and use all-totem
waxen cradle
when I run my dreadplate I run it most of the time with Anvil and love it, when I want to scumbag off of dps herp derping in pug keys I run Anvil and Torch
strong forum
<@192743144276623360>
I napped, what's up
grim pilot
strong forum
He lorge
strong forum
waxen cradle
myself trying to make a choice between Rageheart, Dreadplate and Signet Brand for this week
strong forum
I recommend anvil over brand
lusty grotto
stop mentioning rageheart
strong forum
Cuz easier to maintain
lusty grotto
its killing me
waxen cradle
yeah and have a H Anvil so feels like buying Dread or Signet is smarter for this week
lusty grotto
it doesnt even belong on the same tier as the other 2
south zealot
nimchip ur a funny guy
strong forum
Rageheart is alright, but I wouldn't say it's worth using a bullion on
chilly brook
I looted mythic dreadplate this last week
strong forum
Same
chilly brook
lusty grotto
no u
south zealot
granted I still only have a 489 cheat... but part of me just wants to drop cheat...
chinese vdhs use double dps trinket and run last resort
waxen cradle
not gonna lie I may pop in here every now and then and just post that word to trigger Nim
south zealot
could be the move
strong forum
It almost beat anvil in av14 today
strong forum
chinese vdhs use double dps trinket and run last resort
Rare is a different breed
south zealot
in a good way or bad way
strong forum
Good
south zealot
double dps trinket in a 21 is pretty alpha lol
strong forum
He does more dmg than most soulcrush vdhs, despite LR
waxen cradle
lmao
strong forum
He was also one of the few vdhs in SL who actually stomped so many fotm andies
south zealot
i was looking at logs and hes usually pretty far ahead of any other vdh in terms of damage
south zealot
does he have a stream
chilly brook
I just can’t bring myself to play vengeance tbh idk what it is about DF vengeance
waxen cradle
To be fair I dont really hate on VDH for like there double Sigil of Flame so much but double silence and shit, yeah that shits gotta go
lusty grotto
its just stupid rn
pallid quiver
i hate vdh because their flavor is laaaaaaame
echo egret
Running 12s atm, dreadplates+splinter. What trinket could I get with bullions ?
chilly brook
To be fair I dont really hate on VDH for like there double Sigil of Flame so muc...
I don’t think anyone really cares about sigil of flame lol
lusty grotto
i wonder if i should pick icon or sockets
on my vdh
kinda leaning towards sockets
fuck icon
chilly brook
It’s just blanket double sigils that are aids
south zealot
Running 12s atm, dreadplates+splinter. What trinket could I get with bullions ?
anvil for damage over splinter
grim pilot
does he have a stream
prob doyou
echo egret
myeah but I keep reading all of you talking of how to maintain it and I'm not sure I want that hassle 🙂
lusty grotto
we've had 3 seasons of trinket maintenance
south zealot
myeah but I keep reading all of you talking of how to maintain it and I'm not su...
you can go alltotem
its completely passive
does good aoe damage
chilly brook
myeah but I keep reading all of you talking of how to maintain it and I'm not su...
Anvil is easy to maintain tbh
Fun trinket
echo egret
maybe I'll try
south zealot
anvil in nokhud is pretty sadge
south zealot
maybe im stupid but i just cant get it to live from first area to 2nd
grim pilot
I could find
chilly brook
maybe im stupid but i just cant get it to live from first area to 2nd
You won’t
But it’ll be stacked for the bosses
So
Decent trade
south zealot
https://v.douyu.com/show/yVmjvBpBbb5MqkNb
ty
waxen cradle
Yeah to be fair when I am on my DH and run shit, and have so much utility it kind of makes me rrrreee a bit
south zealot
yeah delays you by like 10s
timer is not an issue in nokhud
esp witha. prot warrior
nokhud last boss is the one area id say not having vdh is cursed
they have like 20 seconds of cc alone on those adds
without opressing roar
lusty grotto
holy christ
these vaults are stinky
chipadin gets the final myth tier
meanwhile
my warrior has 0 myth tier
wide charm
Offensive trinket people still leaning towards anvil? I remember some discussion around it in here and yes I am aware there is a pin, it mentioned anvil and brand