lies
#protection
sand pebble
winged grail
nothing to do with the kit of either class
sand pebble
i soloed vaults for fun earlier
watchiung those bosses kill themselves while perma pinned was fun
winged grail
who says remix doesn't matter? its the future or warcraft. repair bills? gone. inventroy clutter and greys? gone. professions? gone
lusty grotto
hope you followed the NA mit guide for Ultimates 🙂
winged grail
lots of the changes happening in remix will come to retail int he world soul saga, i think
its a test bed
radiant mortar
who says remix doesn't matter? its the future or warcraft. repair bills? gone. i...
what a boring future
winged grail
do any other stats have hidden components like crit increasing critical damage?
i genuienly had no clue of that since it doesnt say so in the UI, so i'm wondering what else could be obfuscated from the player
sand pebble
crit doesnt increase crit daamge
lusty grotto
winged grail
i was told it does earlier...
winged grail
Do any mobs have negative modifers agasint player crit chance then? like, is the crit cap 100% or something arbritary liek 103% then?
no from @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i swear to fucking god
i have never seen
someone ask so much garbage in The Balance
sand pebble
is this classic? dafuq is this
lusty grotto
(XIV's job discord)
sand pebble
why is speeed capped at 49% on the player ui but goes well over it in actual move speed but the game doesnbt track it
winged grail
does it really?
i ntocied it cappign at 49% for me evne aftr I threw multiple gems into my gear, but didn't feel any faster
lusty grotto
idk man i like my stats
sand pebble
idk man i like my stats
why so small
lusty grotto
short legs
sand pebble
fair
lusty grotto
also i dont huff paint and sweat farm raids on all diffs
winged grail
what i got rn
lusty grotto
case in point
jagged pier
also i dont huff paint and sweat farm raids on all diffs
u cant do that
u can only do soo on multiple
winged grail
also i dont huff paint and sweat farm raids on all diffs
you can actually only do one lockout a day, and you are saved to that lockout on that difficulty
you cannot snipe different lockouts fro different bosses like retail
lusty grotto
you can queue LFR and get some threads and bronze
jagged pier
yer aint no body got time for that
lusty grotto
yes?
winged grail
woah, thanks for the tip!
see this is why remix needs its own chat 🙂
i just learned something new
radiant mortar
...
gj Nim
Bro will be so sad when remix goes away and all this hard farming and time waste is gone
sand pebble
i huffed and i puffed and did every achievement/world quest and daily raid and boss farms then waste my time doing dailies for lesser charm turnins! - crit is over 100% on a stunned mob, haste goes to 95% with enkindle - 79k worth of threads farming on everything that isnt 'frogs' (yes this one is a look at my stats bro)
winged grail
i huffed and i puffed and did every achievement/world quest and daily raid and b...
are you literally me? ive been doing every reps daily just for fun i like to quest. never did frogs or any other farms
how do you find that out?
total thread count?
sand pebble
total thread count?
its an addon called panda threads
lusty grotto
im going to sleep
lusty grotto
have fun bigdan
sand pebble
fanx
radiant mortar
im going to sleep
dont leave me alone
lusty grotto
winged grail
wow your mastery is like so much higher than all your other stats
in a kind of strange way
sand pebble
mastery on gear is worth double
winged grail
i mean threads
winged grail
What tinkers are you using?
i dont like the wowhead guide it seems halfassed so curious to talk to another warrior about their gem prefernces
sand pebble
lifestorm meta to pump healing into a ward target (we had 5x 349 million hits on heroic Raden) and 1 shot him in 10 secs - mark of arrogaence, storm overload (to stun enemies on pressing avatar), lightning rod for the damage+crit chance, wildefire, oppoturnist (for 50% crit on any strunned mob), quick strike for instant rage gen (about it also causes devistate to alos attakc additional times - warmth for increeased healing taken by me + 75% of all my overhealing heals someone else (great for ward fuckery), enkindle for the absorb + perma haste, windweaver for move speed and imune fall damage
south zealot
s4 is considered a meme season
sand pebble
slay, sunstriders for huge aoe damage with every crit (100% or higher for 4 secs on a stunned mob and this is why i run shockwave) and m,eteor storm for extra dam
south zealot
and ppl are playing mop soleyl for cosmetics
sand pebble
dark pact for a broken absorb shield
winged grail
lifestorm meta to pump healing into a ward target (we had 5x 349 million hits on heroic Raden) and 1 shot him in 10 secs
do you have a raid group, or pugging? that seems very coordinated comapred to what I've seen in raids lol
radiant mortar
for those 400 messages
sadly yes
there was also complaint about the wowhead guide being bad
and not min maxed focused
south zealot
accidentally ran into a 17 av missing a shield block talent
i went turtle build but forgot hr instead of itf
lol
radiant mortar
still timed it because you are that good?
south zealot
even though i died
idk why i died i used spellblock and still got ripped for like 60%
radiant mortar
how come skyhold has no pog emote
south zealot
thought it was enough but it was not
south zealot
thanks
winged grail
lifestorm meta to pump healing into a ward target (we had 5x 349 million hits on...
your build seems interesting and hihgly built around stun though which bosses can't be, so why? thats why you have such low crit im assuming since you're getitng the rest from opportunist seems like a good gimmick for trash but what gems do you swap to for bosses?
sand pebble
your build seems interesting and hihgly built around stun though which bosses ca...
none i dont swap any gems
set and forget
alot of bosses have stunnable adds or just pull trash with them
mark carrys me for those that dont
winged grail
hypothetically if you did optimize for single targe damage which gems would you use
radiant mortar
winged grail
also where is your slay?
sand pebble
ummm 5x ward into a target and the rest of the raid with lifestorm on an off tank that takes increeased healing - thats about the min max you can get for ST
winged grail
hod do you see those numbers?
sand pebble
smol number - this is in a group stonee guard heroic for comparison
radiant mortar
hod do you see those numbers?
so that you played s2 and s3 was a lie or are you so new that you have no idea about addons?
winged grail
i have details but i didnt knwo you coudl see the indivudal damage done of certain abilites
radiant mortar
sand pebble
remember that things like last stand and rally increase your hp therefore buffing slay
radiant mortar
that one is a better reaction
winged grail
yeah i pop both before 10%
radiant mortar
never hovered or clikced one of those bars?
winged grail
never hovered or clikced one of those bars?
ive seen the 2nd image but not the first
radiant mortar
sand pebble
click on a name in details
winged grail
its just the same information but with a different ui it looks like
whats the purpose of bringing up a second window?
radiant mortar
sand pebble
also reemember that whatever gems go into your shoulder will have increased dam > a belt of bracer
winged grail
really?
sand pebble
yep
winged grail
how do you know that?
radiant mortar
|| is that for real or are you memeing bigdan ||
sand pebble
put things like slam where its damage doesnt chance into your braceer
sand pebble
how do you know that?
because i tested it
also gems in cheest and legs are worth 3x that as a trinket
winged grail
thye do have a higher bronzae increase cost than belt and bracers
sand pebble
so move stuff around when over 50% to see DR changes
sand pebble
neck = 1754, trinket = 1454 ring = 872 legs/cheest = 4187 (at 500 ilvl)
sand pebble
what about hands?
shoulder > hands > belt > bracer from what i can tell
winged grail
do you know if the %dmg increase of vers or the % attack power of mastery is stronger?
winged grail
doesnt attack power increase your damage thouhg i dont see the differnece
sand pebble
im that far into vers dr tho im running 3x mastery on neeck
winged grail
which race do you think is the top performer in remix?
sand pebble
dwarf bis regardless, im playing mechagnome cause i want the heritage armor complete after remix done - all races kinda close for damage tho so pick utility - human if grinding reps, anything with a stun can be useful, furry race has amazing racial stagger incoming damager on any new mob
but its usually about that beeard tbh
sand pebble
>lifestorm meta to pump healing into a ward target (we had 5x 349 million hits o...
found it - enjoy (ward donee right) ::
mild latch
Is Diurna ring worth for prot? mainly M+
radiant mortar
Yes
mild latch
Another question, how does double shadowflame patch work in theory?
same proc chance as having just one, but do double damage? or do you prov twice as often for the same damage
basically wanna know if 2x shadowflame can proc eranog ring more often
sand pebble
without deep diving into logs for data im sure each separate instance of fire damage can proc it but it has an icd
unkempt hazel
hows prot in remix anyway
jagged pier
like everything else its fine
unkempt hazel
fair enough
median tulip
Remix is a joke
radiant mortar
same brother same
ancient crystal
1) do we still need to desync Vexamus ?
Yes imo
naive barn
lament musk
ancient crystal
How much time did you beat it by?
azure nimbus
We want looooogs !
jagged pier
violet ginkgo
https://www.wowhead.com/item=139580/burning-plate-of-the-worldbreaker
This item still on 24h and no tracker when the last people loot it?
violet ginkgo
I mean the scripts won't even work if the loot still on CD right?
violet ginkgo
I just wish like there is an actual 24 hours timer so we know when to loot or camp
blazing condor
yeah fair
apparently making a bunch of trial characters on low pop realms is a good method
for farming at least
ancient crystal
God I hate sanguine
ancient crystal
apparently making a bunch of trial characters on low pop realms is a good method
This is what I did to get mine
Took me a while but I got it
violet ginkgo
God I hate sanguine
we hate affixes tbh
violet ginkgo
apparently making a bunch of trial characters on low pop realms is a good method
the skin is account wide?
toxic pewter
Yes it is
some random prot warr walked up to me and said dreadplate is trash while wearing rageheart LOL
naive barn
some random prot warr walked up to me and said dreadplate is trash while wearing...
Sounds like a random ape warrior
crystal turret
Man, dreadplate is too good!
toxic pewter
I told him to go stand in defensive stance away from me
toxic pewter
now is the time to work to get them
rigid hull
yap
toxic pewter
kill garrosh on heroic and mythic daily, also begin playing remix kill garrosh on heroic and mythic for bones of mannoroth to turn into cosmetic shoulders
blazing condor
shrigma
blazing condor
you go with the mage tower artifact apperance :^)
rigid hull
time to get rid of this shovel
rigid hull
yooooooo
blazing condor
take him
rigid hull
xddd
placid bear
Heya all, i was wondering if i could get a lil advice as the wowheadguide and what i've read seems a lil conflicting;
for our rage spending prio the wiki reads as revenge if ss/tc is on cd to go for ss resets with execute being below that however i found that i'm then never pressing execute as revenge is always above it in priority which then would make execute obsolete as a final priority if it's never pressed?
also having a little delve searching the disc sometimes i'm seeing that it's said to just dump all of the rage into ip and only then cast revenge if i can't ss/tc/ip, could i grab some clarification on the correct ability priorities here for all the above?
my current prio is ss>tc>revenge for ss>ip if above 60 rage is that correct or if not what is then the correct priority?
jagged pier
placid bear
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148897941883584512/1244212600267...
for our rage spending prio the wiki reads as revenge if ss/tc is on cd to go for ss resets with execute being below that however i found that i'm then never pressing execute as revenge is always above it in priority which then would make execute obsolete as a final priority if it's never pressed?
toxic pewter
execute replaces revenge when the mob is under 20% health in single/2target situation
placid bear
did u read the picture
That would read as i never press execute as i can always be fishing for ss procs given revenge/execute are the same rage cost andf reveneg is 10 on prio, which is why i was confused
jagged pier
yes 10 revenge if its 2 or less targets
tribal wharf
if you are yogi when to hit execute is yes
toxic pewter
That would read as i never press execute as i can always be fishing for ss procs...
execute also can proc ss reset, so basically just start executing when mob is below 20% instead of revenge
unless theres 3 or more targets
placid bear
enage brain
it's how it reads as a priority list, if it was on the same line of priority (10) as revenge in 3+ OR execute on 2 or less targets i wouldn't have had the confuision bc it's a prio list and one is under the other
placid bear
execute also can proc ss reset, so basically just start executing when mob is be...
ty that's more clear as an answer to that as i thought it felt wrong
placid bear
we dont have a prio list
i mean i read it as a prio to press when it's listed as such
placid bear
like i get it's all situational but it does boil down to pressing one button over the other at a given time
tribal wharf
i hope in expansion as a whole, the selection, or quality at least, of warbound items is improved
like compared to theres a small ish collection of items you can collect during DF, but then the patch comes and goes and those items are totally garbage useless to collect
placid bear
execute also can proc ss reset, so basically just start executing when mob is be...
could you also clarify this point for me as i'm not sure and it would affect which and when to dump into rage quite heavily if it meant no longer using ip as only something to stop rage overcap
"also having a little delve searching the disc sometimes i'm seeing that it's said to just dump all of the rage into ip and only then cast revenge/exec if i can't ss/tc/ip, could i grab some clarification on the correct ability priorities here for all the above?"
tribal wharf
figure that items like that that can be moved to other characters to boost them, they should go away after the patch drops or the next pre-patch starts, or it follows base ilvl increase
in the past i had interest in playing rogue and hunter, paladin and priest
toxic pewter
could you also clarify this point for me as i'm not sure and it would affect whi...
Jut follow the priority list, if you are about to overcap on rage, dump rage with IP.
placid bear
Jut follow the priority list, if you are about to overcap on rage, dump rage wit...
Sweet ty for the clarification
upbeat crane
hey, im trying to figure out where im missing damage, feel like im always pressing something 🤷♂️
this was a +11
toxic pewter
that algethar i take it
upbeat crane
it is
violet ginkgo
I mean 200k is good enough no? Might want to replace the forgestorm into Gholak
upbeat crane
sec ill link the gear
i am mainly dps tho just learning prot as i go
so i got dps embelishments
violet ginkgo
I mean you don't need to link the gear, just gholak it.
pallid quiver
tanks haven't even really been passed over yet, so
blazing condor
hey, im trying to figure out where im missing damage, feel like im always pressi...
easier if you got logs
rigid hull
tanks haven't even really been passed over yet, so
mountain thane feels pretty pog
upbeat crane
easier if you got logs
u mean replay?
blazing condor
warcraftlogs
violet ginkgo
anytthing on war within btw
can visit the #1230008411333066913 I think there are some discussion there
vocal cave
prot should have fury execute, the generator version, change my mind
rigid yew
@upbeat craneYour output looks very good. As Valk said, make sure to grab Gholak. Other than that, your main focus should be living through big pulls. The bigger you are able to pull, the faster the team progresses / easier to time.
upbeat crane
will do
is it possible to sim with d stance instead of b stance?
or what is the difference in damage roughly
violet ginkgo
apparently making a bunch of trial characters on low pop realms is a good method
Dog may I get more details regarding this? I tried to create the highmountain tauren class trial hoped that it will send me to the homeland and close but... I was starting in orgrimmar.
oblique garnet
I think you need to do bit of the highmountain questline and it tps you to it?
Iirc
rigid yew
@violet ginkgodo whatever it is you have to do to get ported to Legion area, fly over to cave and check. Can be repeated infinite with no down time until it spawns
violet ginkgo
Well since class trial I just manually go to legion area, get the artifact weapon quest done, read the stone too and now flying to the area.
strong forum
order looks alright, TC a bit high, just a bit more of all and then its good
so probably mostly a bit slow in the general rotation
waiting too much between globals, not sending CDs on CD and maybe doing too mall pulls
and the trinkets themselves are quite poor when it comes to dmg output for prot
rigid yew
What does it mean by
Cataclysmic Signet Brand — one of our best offensive trinkets, as long as you can keep the buff up
pallid quiver
You have to keep getting into combat within 15 seconds
oblique garnet
Dont die stay in combat
pallid quiver
Since Signet works on a stacking buff that takes a long time to stack
strong forum
when you drop combat the trinket will fizzle out after 15seconds
so you gotta make sure to not have more than 14seconds of downtime between pulls in m+
or find ways to extend the buff via other means
pallid quiver
and in raid, requires the boss to not get murdered before stacks can build
strong forum
well this 2nd part of the quote only applies to m+
pallid quiver
Yeah
But figured I should add it on just in case, since that bit's the whole gimmick of signet,
So I was assuming unfamiliarity with it in general
violet ginkgo
or find ways to extend the buff via other means
aside from worn doll... anything else we can do?
pallid quiver
Find critters
violet ginkgo
no more critters in neltharus critcake learned about it yesterday I think
Also at nokhud offensive or azure vault there is some area where you just take the travel more than 15 secs, so just take the L and restart the brand stack?
waxen cradle
Yeah I love Nokhud for keeping it active a slightly longer dungeon than some, but great for keeping my signet brand or anvil up
ebon geyser
how the hell u guys can like NO
ancient crystal
Keeping anvil up has been a fun minigame
waxen cradle
I did not say I "loved" it like willing to take it on a cheap date and expect it to put out loved it, but enjoy how easily I can keep Signet or Anvil up
violet ginkgo
how the hell u guys can like NO
We are not saying we like NO or something, we just gather some idea how to keep the buff alive in dungeon like that.
violet ginkgo
I did not say I "loved" it like willing to take it on a cheap date and expect it...
Sadly your group have to play clean too, if they die and we wait for reset that is almost bye2 for signet, anvil still OK since we have a chance to extend it.
waxen cradle
@violet ginkgo Yeah exactly so many hurr durr players in there
waxen cradle
Of course in that case if I feel like I have hurr durr people in group and risk it anyway I play Grieftorch and let them feed it
violet ginkgo
Of course in that case if I feel like I have hurr durr people in group and risk ...
The thing is we can't decide if people in group is a hurr durr or not I mean if we know we can play accordingly right? If hurr durr then Grieftorch, if not then signet. There are moment when you go grieftorch but the people is not hurr durr vice versa
waxen cradle
@violet ginkgo SO freaking true
pallid quiver
today i have died from underestimating my DPS, which is a weird scenario
Treemouth adds spawned, I grabbed aggro, thought about my defensive planning for a sec
and those adds instantly exploded and i didn't think to check that they were dying, directly under my feet
me smurt
ebon geyser
in lfr...
pallid quiver
LFR Parsing is one of the best activites in this game
ebon geyser
do we know what raid is buff on wed
blazing condor
LFR Parsing is one of the best activites in this game
why yes i do LFR despite being 530 ilvl
heavy swift
do we know what raid is buff on wed
all of them will be awakened
violet ginkgo
<:xeos:945501697847992341> why yes i do LFR despite being 530 ilvl
You actually want to see how many DPS class you beat in the meter 
violet ginkgo
~~all of them will be awakened~~
isn't it amirdrassil? or all raid open? I thought it was Amirdrassil, then next week after is all raid open.
pallid quiver
cowards don't pull the extra 2 basi in front of dorfs smh
south zealot
nah u pull them on boss
pallid quiver
Yeah, but that makes sense and doesn't dare things to try and kill you
also don't worry, the dps will simply pull them for you
south zealot
yeah once spellblock ends you get fucked by casts
but the basilisk hurt A LOT so youre limited by how many u can pull
theres just no fucking way ur pulling 6 of them even as a dwarf with caut
torn gulch
i was wrong
according to who?
torn gulch
it is 100% a tyr thing
south zealot
i remember last week yoda was doing something similar though on 20
think it was this iirc
torn gulch
that is a little bit more reasonable
but that is a 2 pull for me i'm not that good at the game
grim pilot
+15 is pulling like u did back in s2 on 28-29
so wouldnt be surprised
if that was a thing
south zealot
wdym
grim pilot
these are the pulls we did in 15
these are the pulls u were doing in s2 on 28-29
this is all pug
so
iirc a standard
south zealot
ive never pulled 7 onto boss i should probbaly do that
grim pilot
its a bit ass for melees
as in people have harder time watching their surroundings
as ranged this changes nothing outside of helping with sanguine
violet ginkgo
think it was this iirc
choco the 5 pack near entrance the very first 5, can we afford not to pull that? I thought their aggro range is really far?
radiant mortar
is t three way more dangerous with bleeds
seeing the pull size I know why I'm Io capped
south zealot
if you kite well its basically a free pull
but if you mess up once youre probably dead
bc healer is super busy that boss
radiant mortar
I think that I don't have the mental capacity to handle pulls of that size and lvl.
My brain is wired differently from being a healer main.
grim pilot
its really not hard to do that pull as pwar
the only thing that can hurt tanks there are the melees from the mobs
and pwar is very good against those
since you shouldn't take the tankbuster at all
violet ginkgo
@blazing condor just got it 10-13 minutes ago finally
ancient crystal
how does loot work if everyone but one person is locked
like doing HM doti and 4/5 already did it
is the 5th guaranteed the loot or is it just wasted
violet ginkgo
I think you can't loot the 1st 4 but can loot the 5th
blazing condor
<@186864948343865344> just got it 10-13 minutes ago <:keks:936231610850897992> ...
hell yeah 
violet ginkgo
hell yeah <:erga:1225875048590737460>
Funny enough I got it on my regular alt park there not even the class trial on other server. I am happy now but damn the shield is giga big.
Gonna wear it 100%
blazing condor
man i hate playing with splinter
thats cus its from the last expac
south zealot
the new splinter
south axle
hey guys new war prot for me
what's stat i have to focus. I see wowhead haste crit/vers
but i saw a lot of runner with haste mastery focus
lusty grotto
same as the wowhead guide
lusty grotto
mastery is there because high ilvl has it available
dont copy paste "runners"
ilvl > all
that means youre gonna get mastery sometimes, which is still good
lusty grotto
that doesnt mean anything for us
like ive said again and again
stat percents arent goal posts
south axle
i m 524
lusty grotto
follow the guide or the pins
ilvl > all
if same ilvl piece, go for haste above all others
if it has haste, prio crit
south axle
5k haste, 5k crit and 6k vers
lusty grotto
etc
dusky canopy
Simulate
lusty grotto
okay so what do you want to find out specifically
we've given you the answers to your very general questions
south axle
regular
south axle
i don't have to follow pin so?
lusty grotto
read it again
you have very little haste
are you running heavy repercussions?
or into the fray?
this is important
south zealot
so bored man
south axle
south zealot
change this one too
lusty grotto
yes
south zealot
you get less shield walls and less rage
lusty grotto
100%
south axle
you get less shield walls and less rage
even with hast cap?
south zealot
with more haste you its even more important to switch actually
but even with low haste, its still better
lusty grotto
its better in all situations, yes
south axle
okay
south zealot
it matters for dn
lusty grotto
this pick
south zealot
ohhhhhhhhhhhh gottem
lusty grotto
youre running the wrong talent
south zealot
switch now
south zealot
switch back once you have 5.4 haste
lusty grotto
south axle
ty
lusty grotto
dusky canopy
if you link the screenshot a third time it might click
lusty grotto
i dont think hes getting it, he might be EU
and not english fluent or his client isnt in english
so yeah the pictures might help
lusty grotto
nobody is saying it
south axle
i know ^^
lusty grotto
but language barriers exist
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
doesnt mean anyone is an idiot
south axle
i just follow nextback build that's why i have some mistake
pallid quiver
i'm an idiot tho
south axle
sometime i am too^^
south axle
XD
pallid quiver
I don't even know who that is
south axle
well youre def an idiot for following nextback
he loves damages
south zealot
hes a french prot streamer
lusty grotto
french top war that always gets carried by his team
pallid quiver
you got me at french smh
south zealot
he actually plays decently well from what ive seen but his talents are not the greatest
lusty grotto
he bakes some weird talents/gearing
lusty grotto
i mean he has
pallid quiver
i watch critcake but he is main damage dealer^^
critcake is also doing better than almost all other prot wars, too
south zealot
sometimes when i play with rlly good players i just make sure no matter what i dont die
lusty grotto
lol
south zealot
so i run the craziest builds ever
lmao
i still died with those talents believe it or not
lusty grotto
i wish they would let us know if they put the BSV change in
south zealot
im like 85% sure they did put it in
lusty grotto
i usually just merge HP resources with procs
south axle
and why some people take defender aegis?
south zealot
and why some people take defender aegis?
no idea its literally just worse
dusky canopy
and why some people take defender aegis?
Specific scenarios where you need back to back walls
most of the time its not worth at all
lusty grotto
☝️
south zealot
theres so few situations you can even create where its better
south zealot
seems its bugged still
it might be but also sometimes it was up for like 10 minuteswithout proccing it felt like
south axle
and what ur second trinket with fyraka trinket?
lusty grotto
not fyrakk trinket
south zealot
i dont think fyrakk is the best trinket so i dont play it
south axle
i like it with all my tanks^^
south zealot
use 2 of these 3 trinkets
south zealot
can also use alltotem if you want a passive damage option
or signet brand for the same reason
south zealot
thats fine, it could be worse
south zealot
the good thing about fyrakk is that it does damage and has some defensive value, even though its kind of mediocre in both aspects
atleast its not mid defensively andm does 0 damage thatd be so troll
south axle
damage is necessary for m+
south zealot
oh fuck i got recognized and i dont remember this person
south axle
that's why i like fyrak
warm plinth
oh fuck i got recognized and i dont remember this person
no one important
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
if you can get fyrakk's in raid, its decent
but otherwise GIGA MEH
(as a bullion purchase)
blazing condor
arguably its easier to get dreadplates than rageheart
but there's also no reason to buy rageheart if you go for dreadplates
south zealot
not really arguable, it just is easier
south axle
why fyrak is bis for most other tank and not war?
blazing condor
well same goes for rageheart
south zealot
why fyrak is bis for most other tank and not war?
partial absorbs are just actually better than full absorbs but people dont really realize
south zealot
treemouths basically never breaks so its literally just for super high keys
even in 16s it rarely breaks
lusty grotto
its absolutely NOT bis for any other tank
south zealot
i need to be getting ABSOLUTELY BLASTED for it to break
lusty grotto
youre completely misinformed by rank 1 keys day 1 bullion buys
because they THOUGHT it was gonna be as good as s3
but its not
tardy sequoia
Do you think season 4 is harder than season 3? All considered
lusty grotto
if you go to any tank pushing rank 1 keys now they will flat out tell you
that rageheart is not worth
tardy sequoia
I mean is a 10 season 4 harder than a 20 season 3?
lusty grotto
no, not really
south zealot
they are like the same
lusty grotto
its about the same
tardy sequoia
Thanks, I forgot about the frustration then 🤣
south axle
i run with my monk with it
but i m only 3k
and it's probably the best defensive trinket for us^^
lusty grotto
no
its not
and its not for vdh
and its not for any other tank
but youre free to run whatever you want
south axle
even wowhead say it^^
south axle
With both the damage and absorb being increased by Critical Strike and Versatility - a Brewmaster's favorite stats - this trinket is truly the best defensive choice, though its offensive power has been reduced to only being decent rather than exceptional.
south axle
yep
lusty grotto
yeah shrug whatever
lusty grotto
this is bear
south zealot
i dont see how treemouths swouldnt be bis defensively for every spec
i cannot imagine a situation in where its not
lusty grotto
it is
just most guides were written hastily and havent kept up because awakened/fated
south axle
i cannot imagine a situation in where its not
because we are looking for damage for certain
lusty grotto
no
we arent
its about timing
dreadplates does a million more damage than rageheart
south zealot
i agree if you want damage on a trinket, treemouths sucks bc it literally does no damage
but exclusively for defensive capabilities treemouths is insane
south axle
yeah totally
i use it sometime with my monk
because monk is squisky
and it help a lot on some situation
i am farming it for my prot war now
but i don't see it^^
if you go to the monk discord the guys will tell you to rush for damage most of the time
but war prot is probably different
pallid quiver
Like, on average in most cases, same here; in most cases, you don't need defensive trinkets
south zealot
yes because unless youre doing the highest level keys, you never really need a defensive trinket
pallid quiver
Even in highest level keys, you aren't absolutely fiending for them and they're not strictly necessary; they just make your life easier and make it more convenient to do pulls that make your DPS able to pump more
south axle
first boss azur vault hurt me a lot with monk so i like to have def trinket
even in 12
south zealot
luckily for warrior that boss is super easy
south axle
yep^^
spellshield is super fun
I discovered the war tank and I really like it
used to the monk it's funny to have a tank whose life hardly varies
strange tundra
New Prot worrior here, when do i use Ignore Pain? i only really end up useing it when i run out of sheild blocks, wich is not common. Or when i see alot of mages, in wich case the sheild usualy gets shreaded fast, makeing it a real rage drain. Should i be useing it with sheild block? or is it more of a backup
strange tundra
i usualy do whirlwind or revenge when im near cap
dusky canopy
are you leveling?
strange tundra
yeah, at like 64 now
dusky canopy
ok so remove whirlwind
you will cast Shield slam on cooldown, Thunderclap, revenge, ignore pain, shield block
all the time
strange tundra
XD really? i does a tiny bit more damage than revenge for me rn
a very small diffrence i guess
and so i do want to stack ignore pain and sheild block as much as i can?
dusky canopy
yeah so you want to use your shield block charges in combination with other sources of shield block duration
to make sure you have it up 100% of the time youre being attacked
pallid quiver
The best way to use IP is mostly as a rage dump; you may need a few more talents to get the rage gen, but that basic planning of use will cover the defensive needs you'll need from it
Shield Block, like Brew is mentioning, is more important to keep up and maintain, and is the core of your baseline defensive ability as Prot War
strange tundra
cool! ill start dumping into IP over other options than. Thanks!
pallid quiver
Not over
Your base rotation is still Shield Slam > Thunder Clap > Revenge
If you ever have an empty global, you overspent on IP
When playing properly, you will not be able to dump all rage possible with just base Revenge casts
So you pop in IP since it's off the GCD
That happens often enough that it serves its defensive purpose in almost all situations just from dumping rage with it; you're likely missing on talents like Ravager to help maintain this rage input, so you'll likely press IP a lot less than at max level
Even if you are full on IP, you also still press it if you can't spend it in time with revenge, since it fuels other parts of the spec, like anger management and indomitable
strange tundra
ohh, so you get flodded with rage once you are doing it right, so its less "i have lots of rage might as well spend" and more "Im going to waste rage by going over cap"
and do yall use the talent that makes revenge cost 30?
pallid quiver
No, we're not drowning in that much rage
strange tundra
its a 50% cost increase for 25% more dmg
pallid quiver
The only time it was ever picked up was in Dragonflight pre-patch, when we still had all the Shadowlands conduits and abilities, essentially making it so we had two expacs worth of rage generating systems on top of each other
strange tundra
cool cool, thanks for the help! im loving prot worrior
toxic pewter
#whirlwinning
south zealot
yeah, at like 64 now
once your higher level with ravager and outburst youll find sometimes you are generating too much rage to spend
so you use ignore pain to spend it
crystal iris
whats our best offensive trinket in M+?
lusty grotto
dreadplates, anvil
crystal iris
rageheart + augury or maybe grieftorch?
lusty grotto
new nick for the cowboy rat
crystal iris
ok but lets say my buddy already has rageheart
and isnt the kind of guy to run another defensive
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
crystal iris
I take it all back
leaden shard
its super RNG
i had a key where augury did 20m, and another key, same dungeon and level, where augury did 55m
lusty grotto
its a good trinket just not better than others
crystal iris
I suggested it because its so good for fury / sometimesarms
leaden shard
augury is solid for fury but i defo think OCE is probably better
lusty grotto
all of those are bullion bought
except for puzzlebox
if you get rageheart/augury as drops, by all means
but do not buy them with bullions
maybe there's a case for fury
but thats about it
frosty mango
Anvil is really good for prot if you can keep it rolling
If you get excessively good at it, it does a ton of damage
I have both anvil and augury and anvil does more on average
My healer also strongly dislikes anvil
young wasp
My healer also strongly dislikes anvil
healers need to adjust
frosty mango
If your out of combat time is nonzero I have given you enough time to drink
median tulip
The problem with Anvil (& CSB) is that the dungeon set this season is really bad for maintaining uptime
paper timber
Guys, does anyone know of a macro to place the Shield Charge?
grim pilot
once your higher level with ravager and outburst youll find sometimes you are ge...
nothing like first pull in aa and you have bloodsurge
crystal iris
if you get rageheart/augury as drops, by all means
I had bought leggo, ring and augury even though I play arms in raid bc I really like fury in keys when it works
turns out augury simmed higher than my anvil for shorter fights once it was 14/14 so I ran that a bit as arms. I have icon that I run now though
rigid yew
I bought CSB first trinket but didn't realize how RNG it can be. I'm mainly a M+ runner and it's been very hit or miss. Sometimes 10% of damage in key, sometimes 3%. It is however, very good on almost all raid bosses. In M+ the bosses don't seem to last long enough even on Tyran. I have had several segments of M+ where it doesn't even show on the meters.
This season will be lasting quite long so I will be patient and just sample them all really.
I got a grapple drop and it seems to do a LOT of consistent damage. Probably not as much as Torch but it doesn't require a 2s channel and it can be used as a charge if needed (don't really need on Prot War tbh tho).
Anyways, thinking of getting Augory next after the damage ring.
pallid quiver
If you thought Signet was RNG, then hoo boy
you're gonna hate augury
That being said, if you're looking for damage, you should probably pick up an anvil; easier to maintain than signet, and does damage before full stacks; it also is less sporadic due to its stacks being fully in your control and the effect kicking in on SS, which we press a lot
rigid yew
How is Dreadplates? I'm seeing a lot of praise for it
Checking the top IO characters and the trinket choice is basically rng
south zealot
need to stay in combat consistently for signet brand
dreadplates is the best trinket imo
its very strong defensively and offensively
its a couple thousand dps behind something like anvil
rigid yew
is it on the GCD? I'm a huge fan of macroing stuff together
south zealot
no its not
i personally dont have it macrod because sometimes u can use it right as a pack is doing to die
and it takes like 15 seconds to do its damage
rigid yew
Grapple isn't either which is nice (raid drop, not bullion purchase). However, in low content I was getting confused but it turns out if the intial hit of the grapple kills your target then the volcanic aoe damage does not go off haha
south zealot
yeah the good thing about grapple is that its consistent
just use it when its up for damage
the issue is that it doesnt do great damage
rigid yew
I wish the trinkets weren't so confusing this season. Gholak is awesome because you just equip it and become stronger without having to do some gimmick or get lucky (or at least it feels that way).
crystal iris
they arent all that confusing lots of good options
augury was always RNG but its not for tanks
south zealot
dude there is actually no fucking way i just witnessed what i did
i brought the 2 trogg dudes onto bromach
that make the boss take more damage
and this evoker used opressing roar
and because of that we didnt kill the adds fast enough
wide charm
Shield wall effects bleeds on you, no?
south zealot
yes its all damage
wide charm
Barring that and IP, anything else?
south zealot
I wish the trinkets weren't so confusing this season. Gholak is awesome because ...
well you can use stat trinkets like oce
wide charm
D stance?
wide charm
Does demo really?
I wouldn't think it does because that applies a damage done reduction on the enemy
wide charm
Yeah, unsure..
warm plinth
All DR affects bleeds
wide charm
If applied before the bleed is cast
warm plinth
Even if you used demo after the bleed was applied, it would reduce the bleed during demo.
wide charm
Really?? No shot I didn't know that
warm plinth
It's still sourced from the mob
rigid yew
@south zealotI wonder how Totem is?
rigid yew
What's everyone buying with buillion tomorrow?
lusty grotto
depends on vault
but either dreadplates for me or unsure
if i get dreadplates on vault, ill probably go whatever
i need both a myth upgrade to my anvil and any dreadplates tbh
so im tossing a coin as to what to open the vault as tomorrow
since i did 4/9M so i should have a chance for anvil if i go dps loot spec
and dreadplates as tank loot spec
delicate badge
Quick question guys because im confused I can buy a trinket with my Buillion which one do I go for. I'm still doing relatively easy content M+ and Hc raids which one do i go for?
rigid yew
What playstyle do you like? More active or more passive?
south zealot
Quick question guys because im confused I can buy a trinket with my Buillion whi...
anvil is good if you can keep it up in m+
wont do much in heroic raid bc bosses die too fast
rigid yew
For Mythic+
Offensively:
Cataclysmic Signet Brand/Elementium Pocket Anvil - If you can keep the buffs consistently up;
Enduring Dreadplates;
All-Totem of the Master;
Augury of the Primal Flame.Defensively:
Treemouth's Festering Splinter;
Enduring Dreadplates;
Fryakk's Tainted Rageheart.
Several tanks I looked up are also running the lower ilvl Scales cheat death from mega dungeon
south zealot
i personally think you shouldnt run cheat
something like treemouths splinter is up so often and is makes you so tanky its basically like a cheat
obviously its not a cheat bc you can die through it (though very difficult) and it wont save you passively
delicate badge
What playstyle do you like? More active or more passive?
I prefer passive trinkets
south zealot
signet brand or augury then
delicate badge
Signet Brand it is thanks guys ❤️
rigid yew
@delicate badgeare you concerned with damage or just want to be stronger?
Icon or Totem will make you much stronger passive but won't show out on the damage meters
I purchased Signet and I personally don't like it. Sometimes it does awesome, sometimes it does nothing. But maybe I'm terrible at staying in combat but then again I bought it as a passive item and does not feel passive at all.
rigid yew
Probably, however healer needs to drink and certain dungeons require long walks or flights that you can't get around.
south zealot
and rlp after first
lusty grotto
which isnt a huge loss cause
south zealot
yeah its like 6mins in
lusty grotto
for the pulls that matter youll have a 3-4 stacker
south zealot
might be hard to keep it between 1st boss in neltharus and the other side
i think if u get some speed u can do it
lusty grotto
yeah its very far and few in between
delicate badge
im trying it out on dummies now that it is fully stacked it's doing great
south zealot
even then, thats less than 10m in anyways
so itll still stack abck up
i just died in aa and i dont even know how
i felt like i shouldve been chilling but
i was not
lusty grotto
violet ginkgo
youre terrible at staying in combat
or there is some unskippable scene like in azure vault when you transformed into book and fly around that can kill the stacks too
lusty grotto
you drop down on those
even on last boss you can use the umbrella and jump down (or leap just before you hit the floor)
i guess it depends on your route
violet ginkgo
I mean even if we can jump down and leap, there is no guarantee our teammate can follow up
means they will have to take books
lusty grotto
yeah that is true
violet ginkgo
Also I finally got that hidden artifact appearance Nim
lusty grotto
nice
south zealot
how is chargath still bugged man
onyx vessel
south zealot
chain just went through him
and then when it finally broke
it didnt count as breaking for the bosses stacks or whatever
so he just stayed in the phase until he exploded and put the huge dot on everyone and we all died
violet ginkgo
yeah well he kind of the hardest boss in neltharus, if we pass that usually safe, all other boss kind of easy
ionic fern
You guys had chains?
south zealot
hes the easiest boss
south zealot
he just bugs all the time
lusty grotto
i guess i should be happy the bugs havent happened on my groups
lusty grotto
lmaooo
south zealot
the 5th one was turbo my fault
south zealot
i was trying to edge fire on first boss
and iust got ticked
ok fine step back
it grows on me and i die
how grief is that
radiant mortar
might be hard to keep it between 1st boss in neltharus and the other side
that works just out as pawr but 3 boss to bird pull is ruff
south zealot
u can do that lavaguys there
radiant mortar
in "my" route I do him with the two guys inftont of the drop
before going to the third boss
with my route I mean the io route xD
do you guys do it after?
lusty grotto
ive no idea what youre talking about
are we talking uldaman or are we talking nelth
south zealot
this on tyran
lusty grotto
oh yeah
lusty grotto
on fort yes
south zealot
yes
lusty grotto
if you got lust, you wanna send it
if youre doing BS + Boss
its risky but pays off
radiant mortar
oh I never skip the 5 mobs after pull 7
but im doing 14 into 19
maybe I should stop doing that to save my anvil stacks
tbh I chain 1 -> 2 -> 3 together, you could count it as one long pull :D
south zealot
everything here is chained based on thaumaturge deaths
radiant mortar
Is your route faster and saver or faster but riskier?
cinder nova
just kick 4hed
ionic fern
Depends on your comp.
cinder nova
Mwahi you know anything about computers
south zealot
i skip the whole chains area after 2nd boss
south zealot
u just walk back
ionic fern
Door opens.
cinder nova
There's a dude on the steps
ionic fern
😂
ionic fern
i skip the whole chains area after 2nd boss
Wouldn't it be fatser to do that 2nd boss area instead of the pulls 2-3?
cinder nova
I just saw a red bar and assumed he'd aggro
ionic fern
lusty grotto
i do this
south zealot
i dont actually know tbh
ionic fern
Not on WoW so can't show what i do. 😦
lusty grotto
100.19%
cinder nova
Am I a spud because I pull the lavamancers with lahar and the stuff in the forge mouth w/blacksmith
cinder nova
wait does tyr scale minibosses
lusty grotto
oh ithought you meant forgemaster
south zealot
Am I a spud because I pull the lavamancers with lahar and the stuff in the forge...
wdym'
cinder nova
Oh wait Lahar is the one towards Chargath
lusty grotto
yeah i was confused
cinder nova
Who is the forge miniboss
south zealot
other guy is commander
lusty grotto
keystone.guru
cinder nova
yeah I pull him with lavamancers and the forgemouth mobs
The four elementals, smith, etc.
cinder nova
Yuh
lusty grotto
why pull him
cinder nova
He's nearly 6% on his own
cinder nova
Oh god his efficiency is dogshit
How easy do you think it'd be to just walk the lavamancers around him
because I detest fighting them solo
Feels like I'm wasting time
south zealot
yeah just jump off edge towards final boss
south zealot
yeah and then wait a few seconds
cinder nova
Sidenote, dreadplates is absolute stonks
radiant mortar
as if pug dps will stop dps and jump
lusty grotto
shrug
cinder nova
Ray of Anguish just fucking blasts
radiant mortar
they will get hit and cry
lusty grotto
bro im giga hoping for vault dreadplates
radiant mortar
but I cant hear them because Im alrdy in the next pull
cinder nova
I just bought dreadplates
lusty grotto
yeah if not i will buy
cinder nova
I wish we could see dreadplate mit, because I bet it's huge
south zealot
hurts hands
waxen cradle
Hey fellas cant decide what I will drop my bullions on this week is a shield still our go to if we have a H track shield fully upgraded unless we think the rng gods may not shine on us and pull a M shield from vault
ionic fern
Don't take a shield.
You can craft a shield.
Or farm it from m+.
Use it on a trinket, weapon or one of the rings.
Not sure what you already got beforehand.
waxen cradle
already have weapon, Diurna's and torch
ionic fern
And your second trinket?
waxen cradle
have a H track Anvil fully upgraded
ionic fern
If you also do m+, take a 3rd trinket option for it.
Or take the other ring.
But don't take a shield.
waxen cradle
leaning very hard towards Signet Brand as I have a H track Treemouth upgraded
ionic fern
Sure, it's a solid option if you can keep it up.
Alternatives would be Dreadplates / Augury.
waxen cradle
or maybe Fillial Duty ring
or yeah dreadplate
I may go ahead and buy Dreadplate as mine is only champion
as its such a solid trinket, love the shield and so much damage
even as a champion level still not bad but a awakened one would be amazing
I may play it by ear and see what comes from vault, and see what I can pull from a easy H clear tomorrow
ionic fern
waxen cradle
what is the consensus on vault openings are we still opening as Prot if we dont have a Shield and everything thing else as dps spec ?