wtf lol
#protection
strong forum
It was capped to the 3 closest targets, and only 15seconds
echo egret
You can pug your way to 520+ gear easily without any raiding
strong forum
I heavily recommend atleast doin heroic raid
Mythic is nice to get the last few ilvl, but heroic is the best bang for your buck
The trinkets are just overpowered compared to m+
south zealot
yeah from every raid theres like 2-3 good trinkets
radiant mortar
problem is I didnt play my warrior in DF at all and just got him to 70 at the week s4 started but its meme season so
ebon geyser
arent all season meme seasons
strong forum
This
ebon geyser
also why im liking arms more than ret??
strong forum
Cuz ret is fury
Have resource? Send resource?
Don't have resource? Send builder
It's super simple and non-interactive
radiant mortar
current arms is boring af
strong forum
Aoe? Send divinestorm on repeat for 40 globals
Not aoe? Send the other button
Gj here's 700k overall
radiant mortar
no waiting for rage, not being able to afk and make a coffee while aa and pooling
echo egret
Bringing back charge weaving would be nice
Please no. Just like défensives should stay défensives (demo shout) , movement spells should remain movement spells
strong forum
It's a form of skill expression that has existed for arms since the dawn of time
toxic pewter
Demo shout isn’t just a defensive button lol
echo egret
Demo shout isn’t just a defensive button lol
Exactly
toxic pewter
Wat
echo egret
Wat
DS was initially a defensive spell and through talents it’s now an offensive spell as well and I dislike that.
radiant mortar
do you guys know that feeling of wanna to be good at the game but cant be asked to play or put time into it
yeah me too
✊
strong forum
When I have an actual urge to get good at something I can't do anything else
ebon geyser
do you guys know that feeling of wanna to be good at the game but cant be asked ...
yeah , i wanna get good at war then i see sense tank and i get humbled
radiant mortar
sadly I dont have the kind of depression where I sink into a hobby, mine just make me lose fun for everything
strong forum
In terms of wow classes, I'll spend countless and countless hours at the training dummies
And just smack away
radiant mortar
honestly that makes me jealous.
strong forum
sadly I dont have the kind of depression where I sink into a hobby, mine just ma...
Mine was the same until I got my current meds
Now whenever I want to get good at at something, I let it devour me
blazing condor
Im the same
But im not depressed
Its just fun to deep dive into stuff
Used to speedrun and shit like that
Turbo autism
radiant mortar
Im trying without meds right now but my thera plans to go for them if I dont show improvement
ebon geyser
shit im always depresssed
blazing condor
You can do it 
ebon geyser
my med make me focus
south zealot
lil vexamus
my anvil did 25k overall that dungeon
and it dropped once near the end lol
radiant mortar
You can do it <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
working on it 
blazing condor
Thats good
strong forum
Ya in my AA run anvil did like 26k
blazing condor
Just be the best self you can
strong forum
But didn't pop that off on vexa
plush path
🙏🏿
strange lintel
ebon geyser
i know the first dublons are for weapon , what should be the other 2 for and the one this week ? trinkets and if so wich ones?
ancient crystal
Can you get incandescent essence in one run? I just remembered I don’t have it lol
ancient crystal
I’m not sure don’t think so
But I can just pick it up at the entrance and go yeah?
ancient crystal
Ah shit
strong forum
and then the quest afterwards tells you to kill gnarlroot again
iirc
which is just 
ancient crystal
Could I do lfr gnarl and then norm gnarl?
strong forum
ya
carmine solstice
Ah shit
Yea
You can do it in 1 week just run lfr and normal, or lfr and join a heroic fyralath doesnt exist run
ancient crystal
whats our "best" neck
im seeing its mostly bromach with some ukhel beads in there
i know its dependent on stat spread but idk if theres a way to sim that for tanks
only thingi know is to aim for more haste
radiant mortar
dathea I heard
violet ginkgo
I remembered Nim mentioned Dathea #1, bromach#2, but if those 2 only heroic just craft the torc neck 525 with crit/haste.
south zealot
correct
ancient crystal
damn so if theyre not myth tier just craft
might use my next spark on it then
thanks
cunning inlet
Haste. Are we overvaluing it?
Once you get enough to cover shield block, is it worth continuing up to 7k or is it better to spread the love? I don’t know. 🤷
I ask because I see people like critcakes not running that much and not suffering too many ill effects. On top of that, when i sim, pretty much after 6400 ish, it’s wanting me to lean more towards mastery pieces.
lusty grotto
Haste. Are we overvaluing it?
Once you get enough to cover shield block, is it w...
critcake is an arms/fury player
he goes what his sim tells him to go as arms
hes not optimizing for prot
carmine solstice
^
lusty grotto
thats not his priority at all
if you think youre comfy with SB uptime and ITF, by all means
go for other stats
carmine solstice
I think you just need enough to maintain 100% shield block up time
lusty grotto
at 6000 im certainly not comfy with my uptime and ITF
carmine solstice
But more haste never hurts
lusty grotto
also just to be clear critcake is a great player, im just saying his priorities lie elsewhere
so when he tanks, he equips what is available
im actually playing HR atm, an SB gap can mean death in high keys
maybe at 6700+ ill make the swap
carmine solstice
Are you playing the haste talent too?
lusty grotto
we are definitely NOT overvaluing haste
carmine solstice
I can’t remember the name
carmine solstice
Ah ok. Acronyms 😄
lusty grotto
heavy repercussions, into the fray
carmine solstice
Ah yes yes. I don’t play prot enough to know it all. But I do know 100% SB is necessary
cunning inlet
also just to be clear critcake is a great player, im just saying his priorities ...
You are right and he has said on his stream that his gear is not optimal.
So once one has enough to cover shield block, is the benefit of more haste seen in terms of more dps?, or more ip? or both?
lusty grotto
more ip is never a factor
its all about shield block
thats why i said this
if youre playing HR
you can certainly make the swap now i guess
you will not be optimal but it is what it is
if youre playing ITF, and are comfortable without any gaps
go with what the sim tells you
the higher the haste, the better ITF becomes
non-diminished percent buff to your haste
cunning inlet
Thanks 🙏
lusty grotto
and just to be clear, any MoP remix homies, this does not apply, just go all out on stats
carmine solstice
^ 100% haste/mastery/crit easy
south zealot
Haste. Are we overvaluing it?
Once you get enough to cover shield block, is it w...
haste is the best stat defensively because more haste is more shield slams which is more shield wall uptime and more rage which is even more shield wall and avatar uptime which gives more thunderclaps, etc etc
also if you drop shield block even for a second you can just die
south zealot
damn so if theyre not myth tier just craft
i mean eventually yeah bc 3 ilvls
but if u wanna craft other shit u can
grim pilot
🫡
tribal wharf
look what they did to my boy
that reminds me of another character from another game i cant place
naive hatch
i'm playing with 2.5k haste rn, AMA
teal swift
https://tenor.com/view/hades-bald-hercules-is-my-hair-out-gif-7206227
@strong forum yo, does bolvar have a new account
Or is this some scammer
Oh hi Fang, idk how I
Quoted you
south zealot
was told i wasnt pulling big enough
only thing i can think of is merging pull 11 and 12 but i feel like everytime ive done that ppl just die
lusty grotto
do 2 and 4
lusty grotto
dont be a pussy
lusty grotto
lol
south zealot
also if we just synced our pi of the key with our boomkins cds instead of just sending it with 1:45 left on timer we wouldve won
damn man that wouldve been like 10-11 points
south zealot
bro we even brought the bonus damage guys on boss
and still didnt have time
bromach got like 2 ticks of sanguine 
lusty grotto
lol
torn gulch
going in uldaman on sanguine is one of the defining traits of being a masochist
hard avoid
there are other weeks where i'll push that key
torn gulch
was told i wasnt pulling big enough
you're a prot warrior not a dh
you don't pull like a dh
crystal iris
that must be a joke those are massive pulls
13 is spicy
Why is treemouths splinter S+ trinket and Granyths is C? 1.6mil shield with no offensive value on treemouth, and 1.4mil on granyths with baby offensive. you get an extra 5s on granyths too and it absorbs 75% instead of 50%
and you have the added benefit of not accidentally killing yourself
I guess I get that 75% DR isnt needed on top of IP, but S+ vs C is rough lol
south zealot
partial absorb vs full absorb
lusty grotto
75% is still higher than 50%
bigger absorb = less duration
it will fade in nothing compared to less absorb amount
thats why rageheart is mid compared to treemouth
partial absorbs are also better because they work in cojnunction with any tank's mitigation, whereas 100% absorbs take the damage up front a lot of the times
its a C trinket, its not bad
its just not better than
crystal iris
thats why rageheart is mid compared to treemouth
Rageheart in S+ too though
lusty grotto
yes because it provides damage
crystal iris
I guess it has damage too
lusty grotto
treemouth doesnt have damage
crystal iris
Weird that all the top tanks run rageheart
crystal iris
A few run granyths, not many tree mouths
lusty grotto
they bought it on the premise that it was strong last season
because treemouth doesnt exist
didnt exist, i mean
crystal iris
I just got it today
Was starting to think it didn’t exist
I tried a no rotsigner route in a 7
They but pulled every single one
We probably had 150% by the end
lusty grotto
also dreadplates didnt exist
top tanks have it because it was a day 1 buy
without thinking
so might as well use it
yet, you go and ask them and they will flat out say
dreadplates
or treemouth
as of right now
thats why copy pasting top tanks can be detrimental
up to a certain point
lusty grotto
maybe they dont need it
crystal iris
Y’a
lusty grotto
plus by now
crystal iris
But it’s STR at least
lusty grotto
every single healer and some dps have faceless ires
which is yet another absorb on top
on their teams at least
violet ginkgo
you're a prot warrior not a dh
you don't pull like a dh
what is the pull difference? if I may know?
south zealot
what is the pull difference? if I may know?
basically 1 pull less in first area, pull after bromach on boss and 2 less pulls after 4th boss
violet ginkgo
you also cannot buy a myth version treemouth
only huffing copium as much as possible for vault drop for this 
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> yo, does bolvar have a new account
Yes
teal swift
Kk Ty homie
radiant mortar
all those pulls look so scary
gilded bear
How you guys deal with 2nd boss in neltharus when pugs don't do the chain properly? I pop my CDs and even tho I feel I'm taking way too much damage
violet ginkgo
well that is the pug dps issue not you issue so yell at them
ebon geyser
POGGIES
novel basin
is the 14 yard radius on Disrupting Shout enough to catch all the adds on Balakar Khan ?
gilded bear
well that is the pug dps issue not you issue so yell at them
Seriously dude, this boss is like a result of all my bad karma, people always f up with the chains and I'm starting to think the problem is me
blazing condor
is the 14 yard radius on Disrupting Shout enough to catch all the adds on Balaka...
Not if you do it right when they spawn
Need to get them more grouped first
novel basin
Need to get them more grouped first
alright, thanks 🙂
jagged pier
what do u mean prio?
its just to be used on cd
because of booming voice and TLs u loose value if u hold it
strong forum
jagged pier
leaden shard
What do you mean
It should give you vault slots based on your highest level of content (awakened myth heroic norm lfr > regular myth heroic norm lfr)
If you mix them to reach a vault slot it’d be regular ilvl not awakened i believe
ebon geyser
ok , ty. didnt know how this awaken stuff work
ebon geyser
any reason why i dint get the helm enchant quest?
azure nimbus
Kill a boss in raid Amirdrassil
ebon geyser
yeah i might not get it this week, i already kill 2 and not the right ones
no sophic for us?
strong forum
we havent been running sophic since s2
carmine solstice
yeah i might not get it this week, i already kill 2 and not the right ones
Gnarlroot
ebon geyser
im assuming if i redo the bosses that i already kill before the quest they will not drop the echos
craggy mulch
anyone else feels that spell reflect sometimes doesnt work? specially on last boss of AV and last boss of Nokhud
its like 30% chance it simply doesnt reflect
carmine solstice
Definitely always works for me
plush path
why is haste the main stat
blazing condor
Rotation go fast
More rage gen
More rage spent
More shield block uptime (main mitigation)
The more we can spend and gain rage the better, because of Anger Management talent
rigid hull
is there a trick for nokhuds 3rd boss?
i can force spell reflects?
i feel like when i was moving away from him
he casted right away
blazing condor
If you mean the elemental boss then yes
Every time youre not in melee range of boss he will cast
And you can spell reflect it
So stay in melee and when SR is back up just run out with reflect
rigid hull
damn okay
this talent is kinda ass?
sometimes i wanna proc some slams with revenge
but im too low on rage
echo egret
Every time youre not in melee range of boss he will cast
Not if there’s a special attack planned on his timer
blazing condor
Ye
He may queue another cast
But he will eventually cast it because youre not in melee
grim pilot
this talent is kinda ass?
yes its shit
thats why youre taking the other one
when u want to access shockwave
rigid hull
yes its shit
noted
pallid quiver
It's good for the purpose of draining more rage if you are so drowning in rage that you have trouble not wasting it even when pressing IP on its cd, but the only time that was the case was DF pre patch since we still had banner rage, SL conduit unnerving, etc
ebon geyser
we would never craft shield correct
pallid quiver
You would as a theoretical stop gap; ilvl is the most important stat, so you theoretically would replace it with a myth track shield eventually
ebon geyser
what key level is mythic track? 5?
plush path
More shield block uptime (main mitigation)
u mean shield wall?
grim pilot
what key level is mythic track? 5?
8
pallid quiver
Specifically, vault for 8s
south zealot
we would never craft shield correct
craft shield unless you have myth track
ebon geyser
i have 3 awaken stones and i was gonna make bracers and back
ebon geyser
yeah i gonna do that lol look at this lol
south zealot
u mean shield wall?
both
ebon geyser
no embellishment on shield correct
pallid quiver
Correct
ebon geyser
and this are our new crests correct
blazing condor
u mean shield wall?
Shield wall you get reduction from anger management, but shield block’s actual cooldown gets lowered with higher haste too
carmine solstice
and this are our new crests correct
For crafting
carmine solstice
Crests are used to upgrade gear
plush path
u upgrade gear w it
ebon geyser
arent i supposed to make them better with enchanting or something
carmine solstice
Nascent crests are used to craft enchanted crests used in craftinf 502-525 gear with sparks of awakening
tribal wharf
once whelpling crests become totally useless and not usable to upgrade because you used them or out geared them in some other method
carmine solstice
Upgrading normally obtained gear doesn’t require anything special
tribal wharf
then you can/should be able to buy the next tier up to what you are using,
with the old crests you were collecting or using
ebon geyser
im trying to make the highest possible shield,cloak and bracers
carmine solstice
You need wyrm crests for that
tribal wharf
if you are crafting, the crest you can put in, you should still able able to put another higher level crest on it later
carmine solstice
Your whelping crests could be used for 489 gear, but just go do a time rift and emerald warden thing and you can buy 480 1h and shield you can upgrade to 502
ebon geyser
Your whelping crests could be used for 489 gear, but just go do a time rift and ...
i have the token from time rift and dream thing
ebon geyser
yeah and i dont seem to be able to make anything with drake
carmine solstice
i have the token from time rift and dream thing
You can use them to but veteran track gear that you can upgrade and start running low keys with
Correct, no crafts with drake crests
Buy veteran sword and shield > whelping upgrade as high as you can > run mythic 0s and get champion gear
tribal wharf
run normal raids or mythic 0 low keys
ebon geyser
i got this erlier
tribal wharf
heroic can be pretty challenging past first like, 4 bosses of any raid
ebon geyser
i sign for a normal in a community im part on tue
tribal wharf
should be able to do heroic too, but its a big jump in difficulty
carmine solstice
You should run normal this week too as it resets Tuesday @ebon geyser
ebon geyser
im in eu
carmine solstice
Oh
ebon geyser
hopefully we kill some bosses
carmine solstice
Yea, honestly normal is as easy as LFR but you can’t ignore every mechanic and expect to live.
Otherwise, I’d say they’re about the same in terms of a challenge
ebon geyser
yeah i got a wa for aberrus since i havent been there in a hot minute
anything else i should get
i got shield
i have a dream seed and idk if i should craft something or wait
carmine solstice
You can craft 502 gear with just a spark, and recraft to upgrade when you have more available crests
ebon geyser
this is how i look
unkempt sundial
how can i find out what my crit block chance actually is?
ashen harness
hold up, if you used shield block twice, in season 1, did it extend the duration without any loss?
jagged pier
yes
ashen harness
i remember trying to hold my second charge until the first one wore out, was i just trolling the whole season? :kekw:
jagged pier
not trolling thats 'best' practice
but blizz have given us enouhg block to not care
so just send it
ashen harness
does it make any difference now tho? beside not letting it roll in between pulls in keys, or when boss runs away
ashen harness
having to micro manage shield block was the thing i disliked most about warrior.. and i did it for nothing lul
havent played it since S1 but i may pick it up again in TWW depending on guild needs. But im certainly going to key with it more to maintain gear on it
blazing condor
Well you were reinforcing the best habit to have
Too bad you didnt get much reward from it though
But much better than just not doing it
carmine solstice
i actually cant craft, crest i need are from season 3
If you’re making S3 sparks, yes.
You should have Sparks of Awakening for S4
ebon geyser
If you’re making S3 sparks, yes.
You should have Sparks of Awakening for S4
yes i have 3 awaken
and i have sparks of dreams but not the crest
since i dont think they drop anymore
carmine solstice
and i have sparks of dreams but not the crest
Get rid of the sparks of dream
Useless
ebon geyser
i need crest to craft so i guess ill make stuff during the week
is macro demo shout and avatar a thing?
@strong forum is this normal IP should be there no
ebon geyser
i was wondering why the IP icon was not showing up
ebon geyser
ok , wanted to make sure i didnt mess something up
carmine solstice
@ebon geyser you can move the ignore pain value likely.
strong forum
ya, so you can just move the value, or add the icon
ebon geyser
is all good , wanted to make sure
also question, does the cache from the 2.5k rep in the dream still give you good loot or no
ebon geyser
reason i ask is once i start to run some 0s that gear will be obsolete?
ohh 509 nice
so it goes up with my ilvl
pallid quiver
sned it on cd
I kinda hold it to help me snap outbursts before shield slam as long as I don't sit on a second charge; it's really just a rage dump for me now
trim wind
Anyone playing juggernaut build in m+? I'm speccing Slam dmg atm, doesn't feel too bad. But not worth it i guess
pallid quiver
Is
Is this the right channel or is there something very questionable about your sources?
pallid quiver
i had a feeling that was the case
trim wind
I'll see you in Arms
toxic pewter
pretty messed up to literally post in wrong channel then talk crap about said channel
lean frigate
hey what are the soft caps for prot warrior stats?
violet ginkgo
Btw is it crazy if I remove 1 point from bloodborne into disrupting shout on Sark fight? mainly taking for mass interrupt or just leave it to dps?
strong forum
hey what are the soft caps for prot warrior stats?
There aren't any really, besides like 7000 haste
At that point you wanna start to avoid getting more
rigid hull
WHY does my gcd feel so clunky
its like when i press my spell
my spell is rdy but its like clunky i dont know how to explain it
its driving me crazy
i have a good ms too
its 80
lean frigate
There aren't any really, besides like 7000 haste
ty
strong forum
my spell is rdy but its like clunky i dont know how to explain it
Are you in valdrakken?
At the dummies?
rigid hull
Are you in valdrakken?
nah in dungeons
im from iran tho
connections are not the best here 💀
+sanctions , filtering
but maybe its something else i can fix?
strong forum
spell queue window
arctic finch
sounds like a spell queue issue
rigid hull
how can i fix it?
ancient crystal
didnt work for me
strong forum
/console spellqueuewindow 200
that should work
general rule of thumb for it is ping+100 for the number in the back
but you shouldnt go below 150
i have 14ping and mine is 150
grim pilot
/set spellqueuewindow 200
default is 400 no?
ancient crystal
yeah ik
ancient crystal
just wanted to try it
lusty grotto
these are heavily personalized settings, it involves your ping
ancient crystal
kinda feel the same way
lusty grotto
more or less and you will get fucked
rigid hull
its usually 80-90 for me
toxic pewter
can I do 0 spellqueue
ancient crystal
forbidden tech..
toxic pewter
Ima do it when I login next
violet ginkgo
u just want aggro of the u dont move them they stay in the pool for the debuff
Wait2 tell me more about this. Seems like I heard nothing from guide video. I need some good secret tech.
lusty grotto
careful cause it can be detrimental apb
toxic pewter
I’m very fast
lusty grotto
maybe you are
toxic pewter
I’m like reckful type racing fast
lusty grotto
but is your connection?
lusty grotto
well try it but you can see negative effects with the wrong values
has nothing to do with your reaction time
toxic pewter
Can I do negative spellqueue
Only us prot warr can go to 0
I refuse to allow prot pala
lusty grotto
youre missing the point
toxic pewter
I got free internet
idle sundial
good evening 😄 a question should i run defenders aegis at 519 ilvl?
ancient crystal
/console spellqueuewindow 200
so if i have 58 latency i should do 150?
frosty mango
In my experience even with stellar ping messing with the queue feels off
I have 9-16 ms typically and it always feels weird if I change from default, other people might feel differently though
tribal wharf
https://x.com/i/status/1792622912207258064 brew master monk main
Twitter
toxic pewter
That’s me
strong forum
so if i have 58 latency i should do 150?
can play around with it ye
but never below 150
with 150sqw you need to press the button 7 times a second to not miss micro gcds
dont make the window to low, if its too low you gotta REALLY spam buttons
to not miss micro gcds
with 400ms you gotta press a button 3 times a second not to miss
white umbra
how good is mastery for keys? should i be trying for more for 20%?
lusty grotto
stats are not goalposts
much less percents (as oppsed to ratings)
if youre juggling different pieces go with sims
sweet orchid
For remix does anyone know if IP triggers Arcanist's edge?
lusty grotto
it should
but shrug
shouldnt min max it
youre using IP as you use it in retail
over (or at) 70 rage? press ip
hardy snow
who wants to yap about these lists
whats to yap about these lists? Anyone can like/dislike dungeon or boss they want
south zealot
i agree but that doesnt mean talking about them cant be fun
lusty grotto
but yeah theyve done these rankings in the past, its not something im particularly looking forward to
lusty grotto
it just felt like a wall on certain affixes
plush tendon
and I like Ulda as a tank
lusty grotto
this is all based on their proper seasons
strong forum
who wants to yap about these lists
- TD
- Siege
- Shrine of the storms
- NW
- Dos
- VP
- ToP
- NW again
- Hoi
- Uldaman
plush tendon
no Temple of Jade?
strong forum
Hoi and Uldaman because each dungeon feels like its 2hrs long
lusty grotto
the argument to Jade, is that it was a dungeon that properly tested tanks
strong forum
Jade is quick and only suffered from a shit tank busters
plush tendon
last boss was painful
lusty grotto
well "properly" cause you could get RNGd with wave
and the last packs properly tested syncing and reflecting
south zealot
1. TD
2. Siege
3. Shrine of the storms
4. NW
5. Dos
6. VP
7. ToP
8. NW again
9. ...
i never really thought hoi was a bad key
strong forum
i might replace Uldaman with Jade
south zealot
it does feel like it takes fucking forever
but its not the forever that uldaman is
uldaman is forever torture, hoi is like a chill forever
strong forum
Hoi is awful and is EXTREMELLLLLLYYY uneventful especially as tank
like what the fuck
do you do as tank there
south zealot
ok true
strong forum
youre a literal spectator
sand pebble
I love ulda
strong forum
like tanking in DF feels like youre 100% a spectator
praying and hoping that your group does the thing
while you play an autoscroller
thats how tanking feels like in DF
south zealot
i also remember liking kings rest
but i also was a turbo shitter in bfa so
i did like 7s
lusty grotto
KR was just bad because of zul
south zealot
without kings rest we wouldnt have this banger video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n97QhosYv0k
strong forum
1st boss 1shotting with its debuff ticks on tyr
strong forum
2nd boss having INSANE hp
3rd bossing having 2x HP of any other boss in the game
- infinity bleed
- charge
south zealot
2nd boss thrreew you in the closets right
south zealot
that guy took so fucking long lol
strong forum
and then the boss would destroy tanks
with his jailer level auto attacks
3rd boss, the trio, was praying for good axes RNG (bleed)
that your havoc would blade dance dodge them all
same for the charge boss
south zealot
kings rest was also just like 3 key levels harder than everything else right
strong forum
yes
because of the bosses
the dungeon was literally 90% bosses on tyr
and on fort it was 100% "can you get past zul"?
with awakened affix the dungeon routing became ALOT better
since you could skip most of the bridge
and the playerpower was high enough that zul was only 30% overpowered
and not 100%
never nerfed btw
1 entire expansion shadow of zul got nerfed twice in total
a) for teeming, so you wouldnt get 2 Zuls
b) received a 10% nerf to its aoe dmg thingy in s4 iirc
thats it
south zealot
a) for teeming, so you wouldnt get ***2*** Zuls
LMFAOOOO THAT WAS A THING?
south zealot
was that even possible to complete
strong forum
ofc not
south zealot
strong forum
youd need 2 people soaking circles
- your tank was rammed by a dot so immense that youd literally die between healing surge spams of a resto shaman
south zealot
yeah this prot warrior is literally taking 80% of his health every other second
through lust and multiple cds
strong forum
lusty grotto
remember parrying council
lusty grotto
that felt good at least
strong forum
2 absorb trinkets
south zealot
literally has sr avatar last stand and lust and is still dying very quickly
south zealot
spellblock gg
strong forum
BFA pwar is like 3 times weaker than DF pwar
south zealot
why was pwar meta
strong forum
damage output
safeguard
block
pwar did like 50% more dmg than other tanks in keys
south zealot
damn safeguard just used to exist freely, made into a conduit, and then removed
strong forum
in its prime
south zealot
tragic
strong forum
why was pwar meta
but also, every other tank was just worse
similar situation to DF s1
other tanks were just bad
mellow bridge
As someone who played dh back then
strong forum
brew was good in s3 cuz of bugs + trinkets + weapon
south zealot
wait this guy has like 50% shield block uptime
mellow bridge
What a horrid spec looking back at it
south zealot
is that just how prot warrior was
strong forum
VDH was turbo immortal but did 0 damage
south zealot
wtf lol
mellow bridge
VDH was turbo immortal until you got into actual high keys
strong forum
wait this guy has like 50% shield block uptime
last stand didnt give SB but gave 100% block chance
mellow bridge
And just got oneshot
strong forum
but also
Zul didnt melee
so SB was useless vs him
zul only ate your ass with magic dmg
south zealot
last stand didnt give SB but gave 100% block chance
and it was on am so that makes a lot more sense
south zealot
man i wish i was good during corruptions
strong forum
VDH was turbo immortal until you got into actual high keys
shear spam go brr
VDH was so ungodly tanky in BFA if you played gluttony
but you also did ungodly amounts of no damage
cuz it was gluttony vs spb
couldnt play both
south zealot
i still see vdhs do ungodly amounts of no damage
strong forum
same
south zealot
did a dps key yesterday and the vdh was doing 100k st
lusty grotto
strong forum
100k is almost impressive
south zealot
mellow bridge
Yeah I had to play gluttony
lusty grotto
were they afk lol
mellow bridge
Full haste corruption was quite fun
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
must be one of those
strong forum
evoker isnt allowed to do dmg otherwise you'd go oom
south zealot
dorki was in the group too actually
south zealot
lusty grotto
lmaoooo
strong forum
meanwhile prevoker?
lusty grotto
i bet dorki was like "holup"
south zealot
name checks out
strong forum
skill based loot distribution
what can i say
thats why i have 2 legendaries with 3 and 4 kills respectively
south zealot
damn last boss on that kings rest 31 no leaver took 7 minutes
even if i get it im not gonna craft it
too much work
strong forum
But the mog
south zealot
mellow bridge
Legendary rng is the reason I'm not playing a bdk alt this season
Just bullshit lol
For fun season but if I started farming it now, there's a high chance I'd get it like 1 week before pre patch
So much fun Blizzard yay
south zealot
banger group
grim pilot
who wants to yap about these lists
seeing max's list and withou having played any other expansion it gives off the vibe that he hasnt really played other seasons or doesnt remember
as in there are so many from the last 2 seasons
south zealot
which is weird bc didnt he literally do mdi in bfa and not play m+ at all in shadowlands
mellow bridge
Max m+ takes are always cooked
grim pilot
which is weird bc didnt he literally do mdi in bfa and not play m+ at all in sha...
did not play back then hence why its just an impression
im a df baby
like idk some of these keys are shit but there's no way 60% comes from last 2 seasons xdd
lusty grotto
like idk some of these keys are shit but there's no way 60% comes from last 2 se...
it makes a lot of sense, a lot of those are from reworked old dungeons
blizzard misses its mark in a whole lot of those
plus adapting megadungeons into m+
sometimes it works really well, but the other side is it fails spectacularly
frail bear
do prot war use slam ever
south zealot
no
frail bear
swag
south zealot
frail bear
oh sorry im noob where do you find that page
frail bear
thank you!!
violet ginkgo
banger group
I got a group earlier this week when people asking MM hunter "Why don't you lust? put the pet out." his answer "I am MM." everybody shake their head, including me.
ionic flare
The MM I play with who swapped to BM pretty quickly in season 1 explained it like the team asking you to eat gravel for their benefit
sure, it benefits the team, but it still tastes and feels like gravel as it goes down your esophagus, and it's not pleasant
whereas BM just... does it and moves on with their life
manic mural
Is Treemouth's more usefull than Granyth's?
south zealot
yeah its better defensively
bro i see why some vengs do 0 damage
if u go full defensively this spec
does fucking nothing
winged grail
what gems are prot warriors using in mop remix?
lusty grotto
any and all
buff all stats + armor
wonder why i keep seeing
prot raid builds with show of force instead of sudden death
in both retail modes lmao
shit is wild
blazing condor
We dislike execute in this household
lusty grotto
theres absolutely nothing in here, or wowhead, or icy veins that picks show of force
and yet
winged grail
i meant tinker gems
lusty grotto
this week alone ive seen more warriors with it in raid than anything
winged grail
why memory of vengeance? once you have good cloak + gear you never take dmg
lusty grotto
swap that out then at your own discretion
we're not min maxing a meme game mode
those are just the ones that were good before big ilvl gains
and thread count
winged grail
exactly my point this guide is halfbaked
radiant mortar
why memory of vengeance? once you have good cloak + gear you never take dmg
why ask if you have the answer yourself?
lusty grotto
exactly my point, this guide is for a meme game mode
winged grail
a meme game mode wiht higher player count than s4 lol
radiant mortar
lusty grotto
millions ate tide pods, is it a good idea?
radiant mortar
ionic fern
I'd argue that the "meme" here is due to the "You can do whatever you want because it's supposed to be fun".
winged grail
why was wildfire chosen as a dps gem ? its n aoe but does it outscale single targer options like quick strike even in ST encounters? i have lots of questions but none of the information is out there
lusty grotto
thats exactly my point mwahi
winged grail
also, i looked at other class guides where the wrtier at least gave explanations for their gem picks
who wrote the prot warrior one it is so barebones its sad
lusty grotto
k
radiant mortar
Someone took his time to write something up for a mode that will be gone in 80 days
ionic fern
I don't think anyone actually did any relevant theorycrafting for Remix since it's a "temporary" game-mode, that not all of the theorycrafters are going to be playing.
radiant mortar
and its still not enough for you?
ionic fern
I haven't even touched Remix outside of the VERY-VERY short testing phase.
radiant mortar
lvl 20 for the mount into quit
lusty grotto
im doing ok
winged grail
Comapre blood DK to prot warrior guide
radiant mortar
playing dk because our guide is so barebone?
winged grail
lusty grotto
no because i already have a prot warrior
radiant mortar
Comapre blood DK to prot warrior guide
why compare no one cares about meme mode
lusty grotto
and i dont want to level another one
ionic fern
If you read deeper into the BDK you can see that majority of the text is "What does this gem do".
E.g "It gives 5% haste".
You can just hover over it and read it.
winged grail
im doing ok
what tinkers are you using
lusty grotto
guy is really invested in min maxing remix
ionic fern
^
ionic fern
I'm happy that people are enjoying WoW Remix. 
But it's not something i even care about.
Or plan on playing.
winged grail
Is there any reaosn to go over 100% crit btw or is that the cap
like idk if enemies have negative modifiers agasint your crit
winged grail
wouldn't 100% crit mean you crit all the time though? so going over that would be a waste
lusty grotto
crit increases crit damage
winged grail
why doesnt the in game tooltip say that?
lusty grotto
because blizzard
jagged gust
hehehe
winged grail
and why is speed hardcapped at 49% not 50%? why is it hardcapped at all
I noticed that playing with my gems earlier. looking forward to capping it naturally throuhg threads and removing the gems 🙂
jagged gust
I just can't wait until I have enough gems maxed that I don't have to use speed+stam gems
winged grail
speed is probably my favorite stat in remix, its going to be rough going back to retail and being so slow
i'll also miss my double heroic leap 😔
jagged gust
glory days, really
winged grail
Does mastery or vers scale better in terms of dps? vers says it increaers the damage you deal, and mastery increases your attack power
jagged gust
first one, then the other
ionic fern
Isn't remix just..."YOu get super-duper freaking strong and get a ton of every stat" ?
radiant mortar
Yes
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
winged grail
yes which is why im asking, which stat is actually better dps wise since the defensive component of each is nullified by the fact that wiht high ilvl youre unkillable in remix
lusty grotto
whats your ilvl
ionic fern
Idk..vers?
winged grail
is % dmg from vers or % dmg from mastery stronger
ionic fern
Maybe vers scales with the weird bonuses you get from gems.
lusty grotto
of course me and the other tank were the only ones alive
urban portal
So hard to say
radiant mortar
of course me and the other tank were the only ones alive
you are also a dk, thats how your class works
lusty grotto
not in raids
winged grail
i'm i lvl 440 and just did that raid an hour ago, took no dmg. like seeing my hp bar move just doesnt happen in remix unless the rest of the group wipes which is farily common since most people arent upgrading their gear lol
lusty grotto
depends
if you have carry dps
and/or are warding
youre 440? so youre maxed?
530 weapon?
winged grail
lusty grotto
youre really taking this game mode that seriously lmao
lusty grotto
im aware
winged grail
makes it kind of annoying to judge people's power
since the numbers are off from what youd expect them to be
radiant mortar
dont tell me you are super picky who you pick for dungeons and raid
lusty grotto
everyone has 342 accessories
radiant mortar
its a fricking fun mode
winged grail
you definitely dont want to bring people with unupgraded gear to heroics, theyre jsut dead weight at that point and getting carried
1 mech will one shot them
thye dont need to be super juiced though
lusty grotto
shrug
winged grail
how good is avoidance? i noticed its the only stat that doenst have a gem
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
winged grail
I think it does matter. at the peak of mop remix you will have so much of every single stat that avoidance will probably be BIS
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
winged grail
since its the only one you cant get thru threads or gems
winged grail
it does matter becasue most raids have like half the group dying so I need to figure out how to squeeze more dmg. every .01% counts. i've considered trying some of the more healing oritent and party play gems but the problem wiht those is they feel underwhelming becasue most deaths in remix are due to bad tuning and one shots
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
winged grail
and undergeared ppl jsut feeding
lusty grotto
which doesnt matter
radiant mortar
I think it does matter. at the peak of mop remix you will have so much of every ...
how will it be BiS if you have every stat "maxed" out and dont take dmg alrdy?
lusty grotto
gone in 2.5 months = doesnt matter
winged grail
beasue you cant get it via threads or gems, which means avoidance is the only stat with a theoretical hardcap if you roll it on every single piece of gear
if you want to truly max your toon you need avoidance in every slot
lusty grotto
all we can say is
avoidance does nothing for us in normal retail
as tanks
it does absolutely jack shit
radiant mortar
bro you arnt taking dmg why do you want a stat that would reduce the dmg you are not taking ?
radiant mortar
stop using that much brain power on a fun mode
winged grail
im not dying at all
lusty grotto
because you seem like you arent
so then dont fucking worry about avoidance
like i said
it DOES NOT matter
radiant mortar
🤝
lusty grotto
☝️
radiant mortar
The only thing that matters is FUN
Cant have that because F stands for friends and my friends dont play wow
winged grail
is tough as nails any good? it says it only does 23k dmg which seems like nothing but does it scale with stats or something
radiant mortar
winged grail
what about vs retail? lots of bosses dont evne have reflectable stuff
young wasp
is tough as nails any good? it says it only does 23k dmg which seems like nothin...
In retail it'll account for like 1-1.5% of your dmg in a key. Not great.
lusty grotto
the alternative is no damage so
radiant mortar
dungeon bosses have a lot of reflect stuff
lusty grotto
something is better than nothing
sand pebble
is tough as nails any good? it says it only does 23k dmg which seems like nothin...
yes because its another damage instance within the same global that can proc any of the gems
winged grail
Also, back to the wowhead guide. there is a lot of unneeded utility in the dungeon spec. things die so qucik that shockwave / intim shouit seem to have no purpose
cc in general does nothing in this mode
sand pebble
you run shockwave to proc the crit gem
radiant mortar
write your own guide if you are unhappy
lusty grotto
id say he should make his own decisions, the guide isnt for him
winged grail
why does champions spear exist when its so simialr to ravager and everyone seems to just pick that? does it have any actual use case?
sand pebble
why does champions spear exist when its so simialr to ravager and everyone seems...
ravager gives you alot of rage over time, spear is only upfront rage
radiant mortar
id say he should make his own decisions, the guide isnt for him
maybe he writes good guides and others can profit of it for meme mode
lusty grotto
yeah for a whole 2.5 months
sand pebble
spear aoe is small and everything needs to ber hit by it to gain the increased damage taken, ravager follows mobs
winged grail
bro you realsie a wow seaosn is liek 4 months and then the meta shifts invalidating some of the class guides
retail wow is literally on a seasonal model
with the constent ilvl inflation
lusty grotto
our class guide hasnt changed for ...
winged grail
so why do ppl write guide for it?
sand pebble
yeah lol last stand talents for the tier bonus was about it
pwar was that good this xpac it didnt need updating
winged grail
i said some , not prot in general thats just more indicative of the state of our spec....
radiant mortar
pwar was that good this xpac it didnt need updating
If you want to see it like that xD
lusty grotto
i said some , not prot in general thats just more indicative of the state of our...
youre a clown
OUR spec
and yet
you started playing it
in remix
because you very obviously
winged grail
i played in s2 and s3
lusty grotto
dont know shit about it at all
sand pebble
i mean its still my fave tank, preferred solo conteent playsstyle, best tank in keys upto 10, capable of tanking heroic raids possibly better than some other tanks and only really ever fell short in the highest content
shield block uptime has been a game changer
winged grail
hey i heard they are removing the damage done penalty form defensive stance, how does that differntiate it from battle stance going forward in tww
sand pebble
already live in game
young wasp
Same as it is now?
B stance for burst windows where you want to crit
D stance when you're taking damage that could 1 shot you?
sand pebble
live in bstance permantly until you need some DR
young wasp
Itt used to be 10%
lusty grotto
winged grail
hey
why arent there remix speicif channels for classes? if there are tww and cata / vanilla versions
jsut saw that
radiant mortar
because no one cares
winged grail
people might actually care to theorcraft and engage with discussion about the modes more if there was actually a place to do it lol
winged grail
who says thye dont care? was there a vote and that was the consensus?
young wasp
Yeah, the council of prot warriors voted
sand pebble
why cant wew do it here tho, its build on current wow
winged grail
speaking of rage is there an ddon that shows your ignore pain as like a % over your hp bar similar to how XIV handles absorbs? (they call it barriers there)
i noticed wow completely lacks this option in default ui and its very cringe
sand pebble
speaking of rage is there an ddon that shows your ignore pain as like a % over y...
weak auras my guy
winged grail
you cant even tell how big an absorb is
why would i want to be weak? i'd be playing mage if that were the case
i picked prot war to be strong
young wasp
😎 Prot warrior is bis for Igira can confirm
radiant mortar
lusty grotto
hes def baiting if he said mage is weaak
class with 5 defensives everyone
super weak
radiant mortar
i mean its still my fave tank, preferred solo conteent playsstyle, best tank in ...
we were the go to tank in s1 for a long time
jagged pier
bad players say they are weak because they dont know how to use defensives
same with hunters
and their 4
sand pebble
we were the go to tank in s1 for a long time
did you play beta? that shit was busted. Remember party wall with 2 uses?
sand pebble
^^ dark pact in reemix is fucking broken
jagged pier
that warlocks are bad as dark pact is broken as fuck
winged grail
hes def baiting if he said mage is weaak
see you guys are so try hard that you take everything through this obsessive lens of performance , yet for some reason you don't apply that same attitude to remix? i dont get it.
it was clearly a joke between warrior has muscle
and mage doesnt