Yeah pretty much
#protection
paper holly
ionic fern
I depleted a 16 RLP yesterday cause i forgot to break 3 dragon eggs on first floor.
So you can say i also don't run keys.
jagged pier
south zealot
same as it always is
blazing condor
Im trusting my memory from s1 to do routes correctly
Sometimes maybe good sometimes maybe shit
unkempt hazel
I will prepare and learn the route 20 times over b4 attempting
and still mess it up
digital meteor
Anyone know of any good streamers on war prot ? 🙂
south zealot
Anyone know of any good streamers on war prot ? 🙂
sense pika and nomeratur
digital meteor
I followed Sens and Pika but not stream actually.
I don't have Nomeratur. Do you have the name of your twitch tv or maybe the link ?
I find Nomeratur, thank you 😉
violet ginkgo
my vault is filled with 3 mythic slots already this week
This is exactly me, just fill 3 mythic slot and run a few more to cap crest then done 
violet ginkgo
I followed Sens and Pika but not stream actually.
I don't have Nomeratur. Do you...
Nome's twitch is on his profile also if you are lucky sometimes once in a while Critcake become Protcake.
digital meteor
Nome's twitch is on his profile also if you are lucky sometimes once in a while ...
I'm not lucky about Protcake ! I can only see his video on youtube, not in stream 😂
lament musk
im just a dps warrior in disguise when playing prot
jagged pier
its fine for any lvl of key
strange lintel
i dont feel confident tanking past 10 
violet ginkgo
im just a dps warrior in disguise when playing prot
aren't we all?
jagged pier
then thats on u which is fine, but tankiness comes from play not stats
like if you happy with 10s then great, but like added more vers will do nothing for u if u go higher for instance
strange lintel
i only tank when our usual tank wants to dps which is rare. so to not break the team i sacrifice myself heh
strange lintel
like if you happy with 10s then great, but like added more vers will do nothing ...
i wondered about that. but isnt 20% more vers like 10% less dmg taken? rather take the 40% chance to not be hit. do parry still give free revenges or im living in the past
violet ginkgo
Also I mean... nobody is forcing us to play 10 above, the reward somewhat maxed at 8 and 10s. So if you are like me and Jakey, we will 3 vault then done with the weeks it's also fine.
Parry got a chance to give free revenge yes.
jagged pier
well look at it this way the more u the pull the less rng parry is the more likely hood is u will parry attacks, and yes vers is 10% DR on everything but parry legit just stops all damage of somthing so over a key it will stop more damage in total than vers will
and as parry stops phyical attacks
it will allow your IP to migiate more magic
and bleeds
digital meteor
im just a dps warrior in disguise when playing prot
I haven't had a chance to stream it yet. 😎
strange lintel
logic
pallid quiver
Also, it's generally harder to get values of vers than other stats due to the values you get, but that's a minor thing
strange lintel
out of curiocity. how terrible is shield block in the other specs?
jagged pier
well its the same
but u will have to equip a shield
so u do no damage
but it will still block all melee attacks against u for 6 secs
if the mobs are in front of u
pallid quiver
arms can pretend to do some damage with a one hander equipped
strange lintel
dont get two charges huh
pallid quiver
i think it can still use overpower or something unless they changed that
jagged pier
i think thats a prot specfic lvl thing the double charges might be wrong tho
but even so
u aint ever gunna equip a shield
as arms
or fury
arms can just die by
and fury well u would just zug until u die
leaden shard
arms can just die
pallid quiver
It used to have niche uses in PvP, but that's likely not too much of a thing anymore outside of wild scenarios
strange lintel
Dont arms have that pvp thing that gives it a mini shield strapped to the wrist
pallid quiver
That was the old spell reflect graphic, where it would give you a cosmetic shield while reflecting iirc
strange lintel
No I'm pretty sure they had some kind of pvp talent that would give em a shield they could use while holding a two hander like 90% sure. O well not like it matters
Hopefully I can push a bit further. I tend to press revenge too much cuz I'm dumb so I'm working on that
Feel free to tell at me
unkempt hazel
i dont feel confident tanking past 10 <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
I have yet to tank past 7
strange lintel
I'm a fake tank. I only brute force keys with borrowed main spec gear. I was told to keep shield block ignore pain up at all times and only press revenge when it's shiny. I'm doing two of the three so far
unkempt hazel
I too am a fake tank
cuz no confidence 
the only thing im confident in tanking is aberrus, and hoi
violet ginkgo
I'm a fake tank. I only brute force keys with borrowed main spec gear. I was tol...
I mean you don’t press revenge even if glowing unless it’s just starter pull where you need to apply some deepwounds and when SS+TC on cd. At least that is what I remembered from the discussion here.
pallid quiver
I'm a fake tank. I only brute force keys with borrowed main spec gear. I was tol...
Unfortunately, two of those are bad advice; IP will end up at most all times, but it shouldn't be a focus in comparison to your rotation, and Revenge is just last in prio of SS > TC > Revenge
at least shield block up at all times is correct
novel basin
Is it possible to just move out of melee to avoid chargaths tank damage during chains ?
If i leap away from him and lure him over chains
jagged pier
no
hot trout
hey guys, is there a weak aura that tells you when something can be spell reflected?
dark barn
One little change in brewmaster tree or a new build comes = Ten thousand videos of equinox wowatnight sha and etc in youtube.
Thousands of changes in prot warrior = Can you hear the sound of silence?
unkempt hazel
tbf, more changes would require more time for testing 🤔
eager phoenix
they dont need to reinvent the wheel imo. minor number changes, the usual but ultimately whatever. moved shockwave up in class tree and fixed/buffed/whatever bsv so it is an actual consideration compared to all of df. gg lets play. the only real tank issue at hand is what they are gonna do about dh sigils. nothing from alpha dungs suggest they are reducing amount of required stops.
dark barn
They will just popup a big nerf in DH out of nowhere. Zero chance another season of 80% DH
strong forum
yeah alpha dungeons look just as CC requirement heavy as always
the trend is going up instead of down
eager phoenix
i think its fine if vdh niche is a bazillion cc choice. but what is stupid is the 4sx2 blanket silence. it would be more fair if it worked like avenger's, only silences if the target is casting when it lands
dark barn
I dont like that much CC in a tank. Dps needs to help in keys
eager phoenix
there is also some irony that they nuked belf silence cus it was stupid that everyone except sham and druid could slam a 2s blanket aoe silence. jokes on us now you need a specific spec to do it
eager phoenix
less cc in dungeons is the only way forward, i agree. its just an escalating arms race adding more stops to the other specs or specifically dumping it on the tank role. we'll end up with 2 charges on disruptive shout and its basically sigils
dark barn
I hate the idea of "you miss the cc one guy dies"
cerulean tusk
blazing condor
whats the change?
pallid quiver
whats the change?
Works like the DK talent and retroactively reduces the damage you take past the threshold
If
That's what we mean with bsv
strong forum
that was a good pug run
got mythic helmet with a socket, mythic wrists and mythic dreadplates
lusty grotto
i did aberrus on tuesday, killed kazzara, lead disbanded whole raid
raid reformed out of spite, killed zaqali and amalg nothing dropped on all 3
was a rollercoaster of a pug clear
also 60% of the raid hadnt killed a single boss on mythic so i had to take the lead for both zaqali and amalg
strong forum
no
lusty grotto
still running puzzle?
strong forum
sadly yes
lusty grotto
i wonder why i still sim low
lusty grotto
27k over me jesus fuck
lusty grotto
i guess i should make the swap
strong forum
i also sim with 70% BSL uptime and 85% corrupting rage
lusty grotto
but since my guild is in pussy mode idk
strong forum
cuz thats more realistic for m+
lusty grotto
oh
blazing condor
bro its so stupid the old tier set gets broken by new pieces
i cant replace my old tier before i got 4 piece
strong forum
whats default BSL and corrupting rage uptime again? 40 and 60?
lusty grotto
yeah
strong forum
then im at 412k
jagged pier
i have like 2.8k mastery with 2x bsl up 
ancient crystal
if i want bsv the only talents from the m+ push tree i can remove is enduring alacrity or focused vigor right?
no wait can remove a few others
ancient crystal
died during a big pull and wanna see if itd help with skill issue
lusty grotto
its still bugged though
lusty grotto
its been a month and they havent put it in
so i wouldnt hold my breath
but it should be usable after they put the changes in, i suppose, yes
ancient crystal
back to just getting better then...
lusty grotto
usable yes
worth taking = debatable
i think i figured out why you sim so much
i have 0 mythic tier on warrior lol
meanwhile chipadin has full myth tier
jesus christ, i thought i had 1 or 2 pieces
and you have full full myth tier too
also hero anvil vs myth anvil
im starting to believe the whole looting conspiracy
from korean games applies to wow ngl
play less on a char = more big items
and somehow chipadin sims lower lollll
plush tendon
Prot Pal is sadge 😦
plush tendon
lusty grotto
perma banned from my paladin
lusty grotto
holy and ret only pally
plush tendon
perma banned from my paladin
bro, my Paladin is now called Lyslander
instead of Lysander
"If its Lysander, im a bystander' new guild phrase
at least Baby Bjorn gets some respect
lusty grotto
lol
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mU8dqfmR9KYnici9xFGMt8 maybe chipadin should upgrade its gear (also sadge champ anvil)
toxic pewter
rigid hull
prot pala fun or @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
the opposite
rigid hull
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
i see
rigid hull
absloute ass of a class
limpid ruin
"If its Lysander, im a bystander' new guild phrase
RDROODerajii supports Lysander 
ebon geyser
do you spam IP or no
ebon geyser
im looking at sense and im trying to figure this out
like his SB falls at times
i though that was a no no
lusty grotto
how are you tracking it
check melee hits
he probably has near 100% effective uptime
ebon geyser
im looking at his vid of uldaman
lusty grotto
check the log
ebon geyser
like this guys is not human
ebon geyser
i mean im looking and im trying to learn
im looking at his WA
ok it drops for like a sec
then is back up
ebon geyser
i need to be like this.. im scared about the doom talk i keep hearing
like i know i shouldnt compare to him
but dang
any dps spec that is solid for now and maybe tww? and how are we looking for those that did alpha
rigid hull
Shoudnt sb always be up even if u are not getting attacked @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
ideally
lusty grotto
youre talking about an ideal scenario
a lot of the times shit happens
intermissions etc
so yes, it should be up as much as possible
but youre never going to hit 100%
lusty grotto
i need to be like this.. im scared about the doom talk i keep hearing
what doom talk
ebon geyser
what doom talk
we are bad , nothing to give to the group im assuming to deal with affixes, spell damge weakness in the new dungeons but idk
ebon geyser
lol
lusty grotto
seems like good ole misinformation
ebon geyser
is the only tank i havent done, i level him to 70 but ugh
lusty grotto
shrug
ebon geyser
i mean and dk but fok dkj
lusty grotto
so you havent played it at all this expansion?
cause we're doing fine
we're not VDHs but no other tank is
ebon geyser
i havent play warr since season 1
lusty grotto
this expansion is the first expansion we're super tanky versus magic
pallid quiver
Magic damage weakness has always been a thing people claimed
it also often came from a position of "I don't want to press my buttons" or not understanding that Prot War's actually quite good against bursts of magic damage, but not so great against rot magic damage
ebon geyser
i usually level my tank to 70 but i never keep warrior up to date, like i have a denial fear
lusty grotto
i present to you this magnificent talent
pallid quiver
And with spellblock, like Nim mentioned, we're generally mega tanky against magic for even long times as long as you can block it
ebon geyser
Magic damage weakness has always been a thing people claimed
it also often came...
whats rot dmg?
pallid quiver
Constant, ticking damage
ebon geyser
like dots
lusty grotto
and spell reflection mitigating for its full duration
pallid quiver
Like if there's a pulse of damage every 2 seconds for 2 mins or something
Can be from a dot, can be from casts,
lusty grotto
we havent been stronger against magic damage at any point than we are right now
pallid quiver
Just constant damage
ebon geyser
gotcha
lusty grotto
and that's gonna continue
ebon geyser
what about a dps to pair it with arms? fury
lusty grotto
no idea
ebon geyser
i just wanna break this damn denial fear
lusty grotto
i play arms in raid, its good
pallid quiver
Prot War's CDs, even before DF, mitigated a lot of damage, but outside of those, bad times
south zealot
we are bad , nothing to give to the group im assuming to deal with affixes, spel...
utility is insanelt overrated
lusty grotto
also it depends on the rot
pallid quiver
what about a dps to pair it with arms? fury
Fury is easier on average, but generally requires pressing more buttons, while Arms is slower on average, but harder to play
ebon geyser
i play arms in raid, its good
you do m+ as prot and raid as arms?
lusty grotto
like Sark's void slashes
yes
only because i joined a new guild and they have tanks
ebon geyser
i also have NO INTEREST in pushing or raiding mythic
pallid quiver
I generally go with Arms because I only need one 2H to play it
lusty grotto
i also have NO INTEREST in pushing or raiding mythic
then why all the fear?
pallid quiver
I would just DPS raid; it's easier to get into good groups and you have more say into whether an encounter clears or not
lusty grotto
you can do keys with any class and any spec on a non-push level
ebon geyser
yes
i wanna do this since my work shedule dont let me tank in raids due to availability
ebon geyser
then why all the fear?
the denial part
lusty grotto
its a game
ebon geyser
like ppl loving the meta etc
ebon geyser
i have been a lurker here so bad and i just wanna do it
south zealot
ppl love the meta but its not like ur gonna sit in queue literally forever as any tank
lusty grotto
but you really shouldnt be afraid of whatever the fuck other people think
south zealot
youll eventually find a group
pallid quiver
Like 60% or more of the people who play this game on a level beyond mega casual are fucked in the brain, anyway, so don't even care what they push/want/etc
ebon geyser
i have done BM, Pally and bear when they where meta and it was like ugh
pallid quiver
If you want to do something, just do it
ebon geyser
like im not gonna go sense level if anything less than 15 if i even make it there
since idk when this tww is gonna drop
lusty tiger
You can play mechanically very well without needing to do high keys
lusty grotto
and IF you get there
lusty tiger
A lot of high keys is teamwork and planning
lusty grotto
ya jeree is right
south zealot
and ppl unethically padding any chance they get
blazing river
spellreflect gaming
south zealot
lusty tiger
and ppl unethically padding any chance they get
I wonder WHO DOES THAT???
south zealot
basically everyone in high pug keys
lusty tiger
XD
pallid quiver
It's directly connected into how big they see their actual reproductive organ, based on how I've seen people talk about it in their guild and community discords I lurk in
lusty grotto
i have a fun short story for you all
11 AV on chipadin
it keeps getting better
guy wants to report for wasting his time lmaoooo
people are so fucked nowadays
ngl i was laughing when he died but i instantly brezzed
i guess his dampen didnt go off
full chat
i was doing decently too 😦
maybe i should stick to vault keys
violet ginkgo
I should've post something yesterday running with ele shaman who can't press button at 10 key. I even out dps as a tank. Some people is really special
lusty grotto
im just bewildered by the warrior
not the brew dying
could have been lag like he said
mistakes happen
plus it was HIS key
kinda fucked on their part to report for wasting time when the guy couldnt even port to AV, had to get summoned and the group broke on the first boss, thats like 5 mins in max
and even if it was longer than that
youre just being an ahole for gaming the report system like that
pallid quiver
Honestly, if anyone ever tells me to game the report system,
I instant report the person telling me to do that
kind glen
Report the reporter
lusty grotto
yeah idk, kinda seems like something they would do so meh
pallid quiver
Ego issues like that are literally my number 1 thing wrong about this game
So even if nothing happens, I have to at least try something
plush tendon
you report the person abusing the report system
pretty sure thats a reportable offense
ebon geyser
@lusty grotto do we go to IV or WH for guides?
pallid quiver
it is, but it's up to blizz if they want to follow up
And either guide if you mean for prot war
ebon geyser
ty
pallid quiver
Both are written by our local Prot War TCs, Wowhead by Nome, IV by Mwahi
pallid quiver
i like blue more so i recommend icyveins :L
boreal haven
Last Boss Nokhud. Second Phase. Can we SR every Hit of the Tankbuster, which applies the Debuff ?
pallid quiver
You have to launch spell reflect before he starts the cast, leaving up to a possibility of getting spell queue shenangians'd,
But if you do so, you can SR every one assuming no shenanigans
boreal haven
Okay. So SR before he even casts. Thx
First Phase is also pretty nervy with the Bleed
south zealot
Last Boss Nokhud. Second Phase. Can we SR every Hit of the Tankbuster, which ap...
i dont think so?
i usually just let one through bc missing a reflect by .1 seconds is just so grief
boreal haven
Does Spellblock work against these ABilities ?
ebon geyser
nim, arms seems fun
south zealot
wrong channel
lusty grotto
Does Spellblock work against these ABilities ?
check the pinned sheet
#protection message right here if you want a shortcut
but tldr
yes
you can use spell block if you miss time SR
digital meteor
This macro is viable ?
#showtooltip
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam
Can you explain what this macro is strong please ? I don't understand why this macro is strong in IV or WH
digital meteor
👍 thanks
lusty grotto
the important part is that you shouldnt use it to shield slam
just to ignore pain
so you should have a second shield slam key
that you use regularly
novel basin
is there a list somewhere on good places to use 'Spell Block' i really forget to use it all the time
or is it just send on CD as long as there is a few caster mobs
lusty grotto
scroll up
hit the link
click the link on that message
welcome to the blockable/spell reflectable sheet
novel basin
click the link on that message
doh.... u just talked about it lol xD
digital meteor
Someone have other macro like that ?
lusty grotto
depends on what you mean
once again that macro does not replace your shield slam button (it only replaces your ignore pain button)
so you will have to elaborate
wowhead and icy veins guide have macro sections you can go over
ebon geyser
Nim, this macro how does it work with IP in it? Shield Slam and Ignore Pain Macro
lusty grotto
you just press it to IP
dusky canopy
its so you dont miss a SS cast when your brain is saying to press IP
becuase IP is off gcd
ebon geyser
ty
lusty tiger
It basically snipes your devestator ss procs
lusty grotto
☝️
violet ginkgo
Aside from snipe in our current tier set it’s just activate the fervid bite too.
lusty grotto
nope
heavy swift
you gonna kick bosses ?
grim pilot
this has to be better sometimes?
if you ever take it, you take it for the pummel cdr
but it's rather quite situational
as in you know you need kicks which your party lacks
rigid hull
did 400k overall tho
goddman
grim pilot
and this 1 sec will actually give you 1 more kick in the rotation
lusty grotto
yeah dreadplate kinda good
gibe loot luck
lusty grotto
foul
final radish
hi, any one have WA for spell reflect S4 ?
left basalt
yeah dreadplate kinda good
Would you take Dreadplate vs Anvil if you also dabbled in Fury?
For M+ specifically
strong forum
id not play dreadplates on dps, but anvil absolutely
anvil cranks, especially on bosses
dunno on fury tho
on arms it certainly is good
but fury i think it procs off of bloodthirst, which you never press (almost never)
carmine solstice
final radish
best emblishment for a Raid player ?
rigid hull
https://tenor.com/view/brother-ew-ew-what-is-that-whats-that-brother-gif-1431838...
real
final radish
2 shadowflame ?
novel basin
hmm.... ring (seal of diurnas chosen) or some dps trinket next for buillions next reset? have Rumbling Ruby right now :S togher with rageheart
think ring will probably give most
carmine solstice
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/s/VtPTxSWoq1
Meme
south zealot
nice u got it
ancient crystal
Passively block all spells sounds awesome
median tulip
Ehh, I do kinda think about Punish, but only to the point of making sure I'm hitting which mob has the nastiest Tankbuster.
south zealot
sure but you can argue in basically every situation thats the highest hp target
and would be the proper target anyways
besides the wardens in neltharus i feel like it always works out that way
median tulip
Can't honestly remember the relative HP differentials right now
south zealot
i see your point though
rigid hull
Ehh, I do kinda think about Punish, but only to the point of making sure I'm hit...
ISNT prio target always doing the most damage
highest hp ad
median tulip
There's not very many trash mobs with genuine Tankbuster moves
south zealot
ISNT prio target always doing the most damage
usually but not always
south zealot
in first area of neltharus your prio target is the thaumaturges because they limit how much you can pull
median tulip
ISNT prio target always doing the most damage
You can argue that killing the lower HP mobs first is better defensively
Neltharus actually has some good trash design to give it some tanking variety. It's probably my favourite dungeon this season.
rigid hull
south zealot
it reminds me of iron docks
south zealot
atleast before they gutted the chains
now its like a better iron docks
but just pretty damn hard
median tulip
First area trash is fine. Chargath is the pinch point, granted. However, I mostly ever fail that boss due to DPS fucking up
south zealot
the bosses are all simple but have clear failure points
the trash mobs do 0-1 thing each for the most
or like 1 important thing and 1 irrelevant thing
median tulip
Chargath is the one that actually kills people
rigid hull
which one is chargath the chain one ? 💀
median tulip
I just wish people would learn to bait charges properly on the magmammoth
median tulip
which one is chargath the chain one ? 💀
Yes
The Blacksmith boss is fun because his big attack move is just "here, have a free Charge" for us
arctic finch
The Blacksmith boss is fun because his big attack move is just "here, have a fre...
and then you randomly charge early because its muscle memory and drop the puddle in the middle 😄
south zealot
and then you randomly charge early because its muscle memory and drop the puddle...
dude i did that shit twice in one pull one time
south zealot
donde
lusty grotto
south zealot
baited
lusty grotto
unborn wagon
Why is the BHH trinket better than fyraaks?
lusty grotto
cause its a partial absorb
so it lasts for its full duration
while rageheart just gets deleted on big damage
unborn wagon
It does less dmg right?
unborn wagon
Mid?
lusty grotto
treemouth and plates shit on it
lusty grotto
depends on the key level
rigid hull
ok bros how do u deal with tornados nokhud third boss
fuck this boss
makes me panic
lusty grotto
what speficically
lusty grotto
specifically
rigid hull
right?
lusty grotto
yes? for gale arrow
lusty grotto
i wouldnt do that
rigid hull
no risks
lusty grotto
either full group stacks
carmine solstice
If you have sub 1m hp on a 10 you need defensive
rigid hull
it was a 14
lusty grotto
and you always stack with melee
rigid hull
we survived a few
lusty grotto
defensive problem
rigid hull
but it killed one of us then it went down heal
lusty grotto
and not pixel perfect
rigid hull
nokhud is sussy
first 2 bosses and areas
are so fucking ez
third area is where key gets depleted
carmine solstice
Agreed
carmine solstice
2nd boss is where all the toxicity shows
rigid hull
people dont preorpyl stack or
use defensives
last boss tho
its piss ez if u have a war
rigid hull
thats a wild take
the area is harder for sure
ads i mean
the bird pack is rough
once u kill the birds it gets easier
narrow jay
Augury does crazy Deeps lol
lusty grotto
nah
narrow jay
champ track anvil did 18m but isnt showing up on the hover only when i actually click the breakdown
narrow jay
it does thsi ever dungeon lol
lusty grotto
youre also not using your abilities
so it seems high
but its not
231k dps, with Tclap as #1... thats kinda rough
narrow jay
how am i not using abilities im spamming everything lol
lusty grotto
tclap shouldnt be #1
do you have a log?
im just saying
augury seems high cause your ability damage should be higher
39M vs this
narrow jay
no i didnt log it maybe thunderclap was high cause everyone was so slow i would be soloing most packs for ages before people caught up
narrow jay
480 casts of thunderclap and 400 casts of shield slam
narrow jay
+9 Neltharus
lusty grotto
oh yeah
narrow jay
im 510 item level
narrow jay
should i macro it into somethign cause i swear im hitting it right away anytime its off cd
and anytime shield slam isnt available im hittinh thunderclap
narrow jay
can you macro shield slam into thunderclap? or does that not work
that way if i get a reset while hittign clap it will send shield slam?
narrow jay
darn lol
lusty grotto
you cant macro 2 GCD abilities
narrow jay
ah kk thunderclap says instant so i thought maybe it might work
south zealot
Why is the BHH trinket better than fyraaks?
its better defensively and has strength mainstat
south zealot
What's our best pairing with it for M+?
anvil and dreadplates offensively treemouths and dreadplates defensively
south zealot
480 casts of thunderclap and 400 casts of shield slam
too much thunderclap
you should always have more ss than thunderclap
overall
narrow jay
i try to hit both equally as i always want to make sure i have rend on the target im shield slamming for fervid bite
i also try to tab shield slam as well for more dmg is that worth it?
im also a clicker lmao so im sure that doesnt help matters
south zealot
i also try to tab shield slam as well for more dmg is that worth it?
nah just ss the priority target
highest health target
south zealot
im also a clicker lmao so im sure that doesnt help matters
strongly recommend getting keybinds setup
even just a few at a time helps tremendously
lusty grotto
At the very least bind shield slam and thunder clap
And perhaps shield block
Those 3 are the most important abilities, 4th one beung IP
So at least 4 binds
Should be fine clicking the rest I think
narrow jay
ya ill definitely play aroudn with it my shield slam or fervid bite used to always be my top ability but the past few keys its been thunderclap
so ill aim to fix that
rigid hull
DAMN did i just break my log uploader
violet ginkgo
but fury i think it procs off of bloodthirst, which you never press (almost neve...
Procs off raging blow, well before execute you might press often but after execute… might not press it that much. Sad though they should’ve make it proc from rampage.
hollow marsh
just use ss whenever possible
i haven't though son of rat to be a tank
bitter arrow
Is there a soft cap for haste? Or should I just stack gems in mop remix?
blazing condor
Is there a soft cap for haste? Or should I just stack gems in mop remix?
you're fine to stack if you get haste% and not haste rating. You'll eventually hit diminishing returns on your haste if you keep getting raw rating
bitter arrow
you're fine to stack if you get haste% and not haste rating. You'll eventually h...
ty
blazing condor
generally you'd want top stop getting haste at 7100 rating
bitter arrow
gotcha
lusty grotto
mop DRs are really non factors
blazing condor
yeah id imagine you can just turbo stack everything cus thats kinda the point
even if you hit DRs
lusty grotto
yeah
you really dont need DR management
just stack all stats to 70%
shit will still go up
my bdk has 9k crit
look at how much im losing
do i stop? fuck no
i already have 90% mastery
just keep sending
thats literally 57% crit
so just a heads up anyone asking about mop remix like @bitter arrow just tell them DRs just dont apply
cause they do, but you get so much rating from everywhere that it literally doesnt matter
unless if youre not upgrading gear
but even if you arent you probably can just stack 50% to 60% of each single stack
mastery even more
analog solar
Anyone tried Disrupting Shout?
gilded bear
Anyone tried Disrupting Shout?
I use it all the time in M+, I feel it's great tbh
plush imp
I use it all the time in M+, I feel it's great tbh
What talent you change for it ?
gilded bear
bloodborne
This
This is is what I've been using, sometimes I get enduring alacrity over blood surge
gilded bear
Not when I'm farming low keys
jagged pier
its better in all situations tbh than bloodsurge but u do u
gilded bear
cause more armor = more str
Sometimes I even forget about this 🤦🏻♂️
blazing condor
crazy how we still got the bug where you can get randomly dropped off in stonetalon mountains from a zepelin
south zealot
Anyone tried Disrupting Shout?
its fine
you dont lose very much to take it but also its never really needed
only place i really see value is nokhud for last boss and could have some minor value in rlp
tight sedge
I've found that I don't use disrupting shout as much as I could to get full value from it but there's definitely been times where I'm seriously glad to have it!
So I'll take it most of the time.
analog solar
I've been running Bolster, becaue I think it feel good
lusty grotto
why
analog solar
Im gonna try changing that talent into Shout
lusty grotto
you dont have CDR on last stand
its unneeded
you have shield charge to refresh SB if you dont have charges
gilded bear
I've found that I don't use disrupting shout as much as I could to get full valu...
That's exactly the same feeling I have about it when pugging
lusty grotto
why
analog solar
goes well with Spell block
lusty grotto
just play heavy repercussions if youre running out of SB charges
analog solar
And I can pump moer rage into absorbs
lusty grotto
huh
analog solar
Good vs heavy magic dmg
lusty grotto
but bruh
you just press SB
and maintain it
and press spell block
its literally the same thing
youre wasting a talent point
violet ginkgo
I use it all the time in M+, I feel it's great tbh
Also great on some fight in Vault of the incarnates, Dathea and Raz.
tight sedge
You have last stand baseline though
lusty grotto
well its kinda useless, but you do you
which has no CDR
last stand has no cooldown reduction, we play bolster when it does (i.e. DF S2 tierset)
or when LS was reset by Anger Management
if you can do the same thing with untalented shield block
youre literally using a talent point on nothing
analog solar
Well, you'll be happy that Im talenting out of it in favour of Shout now then XD
violet ginkgo
we are happy indeed
analog solar
Gonna be nice when they put Shockwave earlier in the tree
gilded bear
only place i really see value is nokhud for last boss and could have some minor ...
I can't agree more, but when pugging and people miss interrupts it acts like a despair button
hollow marsh
its better in all situations tbh than bloodsurge but u do u
ya jakey how are you ya jakey
south zealot
if ppl arent kicking casts they are dying to, we are gonna deplete the key anyway
thats how i see it
gilded bear
What you pick over it by the way?
ebon geyser
if dps could understand that you want them to do mechanics or interrupt they would be very upset
south zealot
What you pick over it by the way?
bloodsurge
analog solar
if dps could understand that you want them to do mechanics or interrupt they wou...
Can't ask too much of the plebs
ebon geyser
south zealot
95% of wow players are really bad
lusty grotto
tank ego is bad guys
south zealot
3% are bad
jagged pier
ya jakey how are you ya jakey
south zealot
and 1.5% are like kind of good
good at some things but still misunderstand things on a fundamental level
south zealot
and like 0.5% are like actually solid players
lusty grotto
im... not good
nom and sense are on a whole lot other level
choco too
im below them
south zealot
sense and nomer are really fucking good
hollow marsh
<:waveboye:773709438770348053>
just wonderin do you have access into alpha of the next expansion and what is your expectation/opinions for prot warrior
violet ginkgo
95% of wow players are really bad
I think I am in this category then
ebon geyser
im... not good
yes u are 
south zealot
I think I am in this category then <:critcake:984549832511344640>
if youre in this discord youre not in that category
violet ginkgo
I’d like to see that fire video
lusty grotto
but im gonna quote yogi, that i dont wanna dox myself 🙂
jagged pier
just wonderin do you have access into alpha of the next expansion and what is yo...
nope nome is the only one out of the 3 of us to have alpha
south zealot
not so luch this week bc im always fucking working
lusty grotto
nah you guys are like 50k dps higher than me constantly
jagged pier
but not much has change atm so its the same as now kinda boring to play imo
lusty grotto
theres a lot of stuff i continuously try to improve upon
but im always on the tail end
which is fine
south zealot
nomer is always above me too when he plays prot instead of armsge 
lusty grotto
haha
my arms needs a shitton of work
its a weird feeling when youre comparing yourself to guildies but you see any of you guys parses
and i see how far behind i am
but thats a good thing
cause improving is actually a thing that i like
regardless of pacing lol
cause i do have snail pace on some things
south zealot
cause improving is actually a thing that i like
me too
just knowing youre getting better feels great
ebon geyser
cause i do have snail pace on some things
if u have snail pace... my god im dead then because im slow
digital meteor
Hello everyone,
Do you have a good interface to recommend? I'm currently using the blizzard UI.
I have NotUI's weak aura on wago.io but I don't know if there's a better one?
Are there any professions that are good for War prot? I'm currently an alchemist but as a second profession, I'm hesitating between blacksmith or engineer.
rancid tiger
digital meteor
Thanks for that
ebon geyser
https://i.imgur.com/cIAPhWj.png
show off lol
sand pebble
in mop remix does this mean 109% chance to crit block?
eeg every block will block for double
strong forum
yes
jagged pier
ye
sand pebble
cool ty
jagged pier
sand pebble
wasnt a look at my stats - was a serious question
just got a heap fo gear all mastery and avboidence
novel basin
ive been playing with talents from a highly ranked prot warrior on raider.io for the past week.. and imo seemed to struggle abit to keep IP up.. now ive just changed to the talents wowhead/icyveins and in here actually suggest and its a breeze
strong forum
hey letsgoo
jagged pier
novel basin
omg... where do u find so many stats xD i mean, im also "only" 514 but jeeez
violet ginkgo
BSL nome? wow not the shadowflame patch?
novel basin
oh ur running BSL
jagged pier
BSL nome? wow not the shadowflame patch?
hes a dps main
violet ginkgo
Oh @jagged pier question, not that I will craft it but the shadowed buckler from blacksmith craft (a shield with effect) is it counted as shadowpatch unique embelishment?
jagged pier
yes
violet ginkgo
Ah ok
blazing condor
Honestly having high mastery is kinda pogging
blazing condor
I have to get like a billion crests and flightstones
Gotta upgrade and craft
Takes forever
violet ginkgo
pallid quiver
i'll buy your extras for 2 copper
ebon geyser
ty nim for recommending Arms
radiant mortar
im capped on everything
how are you motivated to play that much?
ebon geyser
when u are good and have a good team u never bored. imo that is
radiant mortar
having no friends playing sucks
strong forum
how are you motivated to play that much?
pressing buttons is fun
radiant mortar
plush path
hi,
could someone explain this tier set to me in fortnite terms, i cant really understand how it works
radiant mortar
in fortnite terms?
plush path
yea like dumb terms
grim pilot
your shield slam does more dam
whatever dots you had on the target get consumed insta
aka dealing the remaining damage (or portion of it) the next time you press shield slam
pallid quiver
You shield slam, bleeds deal their damage instantly and you take less damage
Have to reapply bleeds after
strong forum
Your dam does more dam and you take less dam
crystal iris
lets say deep wounds bleed was going to deal 100k to the target over 18s, well your Shield slam will deal 40k of that damage instantly and remove the dot, allowing you do replace a new DW 100k over 18s, then consume that and reapply
for Roar it has no value unless the target was going to die before the roar bleed finished
strong forum
Or you're haste buffed, demo or avatar buffed
With PI + Lust I hit a 1.2mil fervid bite on rashok
Is quite something
strong forum
Fervid
crystal iris
what does lust have to do with it?
strong forum
The more haste you have, the more often a bleed will tick during it's duration
crystal iris
Ohhh true. does the actual total value on the tooltip go up then?
strong forum
It should
south zealot
with 2 rotsingers
carmine solstice
could someone explain this tier set to me in fortnite terms, i cant really under...
Shield slam consumes bleeds to do more damage.
Reapply bleeds after (thunder clap after shield slam)
strong forum
We got 2 NO16s but with the comp we had the healer wouldn't live a single gale arrow
Double war double pally isn't exactly optimal ykno
undone beacon
I feel like I'm almost never hitting Last Stand during keys, am I bad or is it just a mid cd?
strong forum
Last stand is a 30% increase to Ignore Pain cap and 30% increase to your self healing
It's literally like Vamp Blood for us
undone beacon
Oh true. I've been using it as a makeshift "i fucked up" button lmao
blazing condor
Better to overuse it than not use it at all
undone beacon
I'll try and worm it into the rotation more
undone beacon
Gotcha
strong forum
Or as a makeshift shield wall, when shieldwall isn't ready
To fill CD gaps for hard hitting mechanics
radiant mortar
Last Stand is my least used def cd
south zealot
its the longest one so that tracks
strong forum
I use it pretty much on cd
south zealot
longest cd one*
radiant mortar
the lvl of keys I play I dont need it that often
undone beacon
I guess impending victory is more of the oh shit button for prot anyways
radiant mortar
so if I have used my scale or SW alrdy than maybe I use it :D
south zealot
i wouldnt really say oh shit
strong forum
I used LS 11 times in AV15
south zealot
you kind of know when youre gonna take damage
and then you can impending victory if youre going to take more damage
south zealot
i used last stand 7 times in an rlp i did yesterday in 25 minutes, missed out on 2 casts
undone beacon
Interesting it isnt on anger managment
south zealot
same with demo
undone beacon
damn
radiant mortar
used it 3 in an av 10
south zealot
anger management only being shield wall and avatar is such a fraction of its former glory lol
strong forum
Also choco fuck you, cuz of you I don't get r1 logs in my barely timed keys I did today
south zealot
sanguine/tyran diff
undone beacon
Would removing ravager + talents and replacing it with banner + talents be a popular take or nah?
strong forum
Yes
south zealot
id be SO down for that
south zealot
i got farmed
undone beacon
I suggested that in beta already
poggies
I just bound ravager to cast at my feet and hit it on cd lmao
such a boring button
south zealot
yeah atleast its good
undone beacon
I missed out on the glory of the banner prot warr, it makes me sad
I was too busy playing big kyrian MM
strong forum
It was turbo hard
radiant mortar
big fan of the spear so
strong forum
And extremely rewarding
strong forum
Like, Banner war was 10x harder than any other tank to play, extremely punishing if you fell behind
It was so good
Super fast paced
Had to min-max everything
strong forum
But once you got going you just shredded
south zealot
you had to always stay in combat
strong forum
sry but that sounds like bad design
Rewarding gameplay is bad?
undone beacon
Wasnt it a game of keeping the banner up with the Glory leggo for max benefit?
south zealot
yes, need to always spend rage
radiant mortar
Rewarding gameplay is bad?
10x harder gameplay just to be good is bad design
strong forum
40% uptime if you were average
undone beacon
Anvil/Signet brand, the ability
south zealot
well you were REALLY good its just that bdk was better and could use gavel
strong forum
Anvil/Signet brand, the ability
Except also during combad
You had to be generating and spending rage perfectly
Or close to perfect
- charge weave
radiant mortar
You had to be generating and spending rage perfectly
and thats the bad design I was talking about
radiant mortar
thats just not good for a class
south zealot
well it wasnt literally perfectly, you can make minor mistakes and still be fine
undone beacon
I mean, thats why you have it be a capstone talent, its optional and optimal but there are alternatives
south zealot
but if you just like were afk you would lose it
ebon geyser
so i am confused, can we use tier from previous raids?
undone beacon
I'd rather have the option to have a more engaging playstyle in my tree than whatever we have locked to now
radiant mortar
Instead of the 0 minigames now
give us one or two back but 4 is excessive
strong forum
Anything is more engaging that current prot war
undone beacon
For all its faults, I did enjoy that survival has three relatively distinct playstyles you could talent into, between CA, Speahead, and No CDs for different scenarios
I wish more spec trees had that
strong forum
Outburst + avatar outburst, Banner, Reprisal + shield block uptime
You could argue that Reprisal + SB is the same minigame
south zealot
i think it would be interesting if you could like
pick a covenant ability to get
instead of them offering you one/two
south zealot
Outburst + avatar outburst, Banner, Reprisal + shield block uptime
lol i forgot reprisal existed
that was fun too
strong forum
Reprisal is what enabled banner
You couldn't maintain banner without reprisal
Same goes for tierset
ebon geyser
reason i ask is thsi awaken tier gear ? is that just slight higher level tier?
south zealot
its like 30ilvls up at max ilvl
ebon geyser
gotcha
strong forum
39 to be exact, from 489 to 528
ebon geyser
another thing im not gonna get
south zealot
im a hero track gamer
ebon geyser
must be nice to have frens
undone beacon
I need more aspect crests than I can get 😠
undone beacon
I like the idea of warr tanks having a way to buff allies stats, give us a bit of a support-y niche as a tank
free mast for all
ebon geyser
i havent set foot in any mythic raid since aszhara